The Kristian Harloff Show - Dune SPOILER Review! | The Big Thing

Episode Date: October 27, 2021

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To learn more, go to sleepnumber.com. What's up everybody? Welcome back to The Big Thing. This is deja vu for at least me and my guest today because yesterday we did a whole Dune spoiler review and we had myself and Mark Riley and Greg Alba from The Real Rejects. And if you want to see it, that's absolutely possible. If you want to hear it, that's not possible. It just isn't. Something happened with the system. I mean, it was a great episode.

I mean, it really was about an hour and 15 minutes. I wasted everybody's time. So that's awesome. And now we're going to do it all over again. But unfortunately, I can't have Greg Alba with me today. I got Mark Riley, which is great because Mark Riley is the Dune expert. Sure. Yeah, he is.

He is here. You hear him in the background there. You're going to see him in a second. But we're doing a full Dune spoiler review. It is the big thing. And let's get to it, ladies and gentlemen. I'm excited to talk to Riley about it. And yeah, Greg Alba hates me.

But that's all right. It's not alright. I'm not happy with that. I would figure it. Welcome back. Ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen. It's the Dune Spoiler Review on The Big Thing. I'm excited.

Excited to do it once again. Yesterday was a test run of this character. The odious of Riley's Mark. Mark, I tested the sound. It does indeed work. It works? We're here? I know what I did yesterday.

It was just stupid. My God, it works. I'm so excited to be here again. Yeah, and do it all over again. Do it all over again. Do it all over again. Any mistakes that we made, yeah, people won't know about it.

Because we'll make them again today, but still, yeah, I did that. Diesel Time, the animation for us, did this great animation of both Stephens of flirt and flout and I was going to play it on the show yesterday. Yeah. So I started out putting it into the system.

And I don't have to adjust. settings and do all that. And so I adjusted some setting and didn't test it before we went. Did not get the audio, ladies and gentlemen. You know, I mean, it happens.

I can't tell you how many times I've been on Twitch or something. And people are like, you do it. You know, and it's like, press this button. But that's, that's okay to handle because you're by yourself and do it.

Greg Alba drove out like two hours to get here yesterday. Yeah, Alba's pissed. He's not. He's very, He's a great guy, but like I was, you know, he and I've been trying, he's been helping me out so much with everything. And I said it on the show that you can't hear that we were like buddies beforehand. And we're like, we're pretty good friends now.

And he's been helping me out with all this stuff. And we've been trying so hard. He's like, you know what? I'm going to get out to come do the show. So finally we book it weeks in advance. He comes out and we lose the sound. So sucks. Tiz what's tis.

But we're going to get into Dune because. we both loved this movie. Oh, yeah. Both loved it. We talked about that at depth. But this is a thing that I think we talked about where the book lovers, normally what happens with books, even if it's Harry Potter, Game of Thrones. Like, you always have people who read the book that go, I don't know. I don't know if I really like this as much as the book.

Not seeing a lot of that for this movie. No. Why is that, do you think? Well, I think this is a very good, faithful. adaptation. This is one of the closest I've seen of a book to movie where you get the tone, you get the

you get all the good stuff in there and it really just had that nice little, it hit the sweet spot for me. And I think a lot of the doone heads out there that love this book are seeing that. Now all adaptations are not going to get everything right, I think. I mean, but

I said it yesterday, I'll say, I keep saying this. This reminded me of Lord of the Rings Fellowship of the Right. Okay. Like where I watched in 2001, I sat down for the very first Lord of the Rings movie, so excited because I was a huge fan of the books. I read all the books again before going into the movie. And I sat down and I went, my God, they did it. They did it. And this becomes an epic. And it's become iconic. And everybody talks about it. It's part of the zeitgeist now, Lord of the Rings. That's what Dunee did. That's what Deney Villeneuve did for me, at least. And my love of the book, he got it. I don't think it's just you. I think it's a lot of people for sure because the way that he sets this up and I mentioned it where I don't. I think that it's people just taking shots and being a bit silly by just saying, well, this is, this is Star Wars for adults. Well, Star Wars is for adults and kids, but I understand kind of what the person was going for.

This is certainly the science. This is more geared towards adults, right? Sure. I think they're just saying that. Like this is just this is just. this is science fiction for adults. Just saying that in general, because I think that sci-fi fantasy

and what Star Wars is, there are things that you can love as children, there is a thing that you can love as adults. But for this, this is definitely a more, you've got to be fully invested inside of this. There's some stuff that will go over children's heads in this. You've got to be really locked into it.

I watched it, and it was subtitles. I have no, I'm glad that I did. I didn't see it in IMAX. I didn't see it in the theater. Like everybody wanted me to, I apologize. but I was pretty, I was pretty content with the way that I did watch it.

I had it on subtitles. I had it on my big screen TV. I had great sound. So I think that's all important because the sound design, the way that this thing is shot, it's beautiful all the way around, and it really sets up the mythology very well. Oh, yeah. And Timothy Shalame is fantastic in this movie. Yeah, we got into his character a lot in our conversation yesterday,

but to play it back as best as possible here. He is. He's one of my favorite parts of the movie. And I think that's... He takes us through it. He is, well, he is the, you know, the prophesized one. Yeah. And he's also has his foot in two different worlds.

Yeah. And that's important to look at and see in his performance because he is carrying a weight on his shoulders. Right. Not only is he the son of Duke Leda and, you know, the heir apparent to House of Traities, but he is also Lady Jessica's son. and part of the Benni Jeserite kind of religion, powers. And so all of that, it's like going through his face every time you see him on camera. And then whenever he interacts with like, what he has to do with, you know,

Brolin's character, Gurney Halleck or Duncan Idaho, MoMAO's character, he changes. And like he's going, his performance is so nuanced. It is. And it's so incredibly well thought out and so great to see. It is so great to see. He's such a talented actor, and he does. I mean, you also see throughout this thing that June, where George Lucas got so much inspiration for, right?

Yeah, absolutely. For a lot of people, even The Matrix, like he's Neo, he's Luke Skywalker. I mean, there's so much of what he does, and the voice is the force, right? Connecting what the, what the, was the witches? I don't know, I don't know. Okay, they are, yeah, they're kind of, they're witches, sure.

But they are, you know, as much as I can remember, they are a religious sect. You know, there's going to be a series about them. Okay, yeah, right, right. That's what they said that the series is going to be. We just don't know what time period that's going to be. Yeah, I can't remember. And I think it takes place within the realm of the second book. I want to say Dune Messiah.

Yeah. But I don't, if that's the second book, I can't remember. I didn't read the books after Dune. Yeah. I started getting into the second book. I can't really remember. But I love Dune. I just don't know where it's going to land.

But I think it's going to be played out. Whenever that series comes, I think it probably will take place after Dune part two. Okay. Well, they set the mythology very well in this, because even Lady Jessica, the great Rebecca Ferguson, who's also fantastic in this movie all the way around. Because you don't know, if you haven't read the book, really what her motivations are and what her purpose is going to be. We know that this kid is the son of the Duke.

Not the son of the Duke. so jas uh Oscar eyes excuse me so who will who will definitely into because he's also phenomenal he's so great phenomenal this film um but the way that she has this scene with him when she tells him use the voice do this and

it's like this training you're you're curious right away from this scene but the question is like what is her what does she want to do with this kid what is she just kind of like okay she's just part of the empire or part of this kingdom and is going to train this kid to do his duties and then move on. But that's not what it is. We see the doctor. The doctor's like, don't trust the witches.

And then the scene that happens where Lady Jessica is sitting outside and the acting of what Rebecca Ferguson does here should be noted because she's standing out there and she loves her son more than anything but she also believes in the cause

and she believes in that the fact that he is the chosen one in an order to prove that to herself, she's got to potentially sacrifice her son to prove it with the gobb jabber. The gobbjabber. Yeah. Crossing of the threshold, the hero's journey. This is what Paul has to do. This is it. This is the, this moment here is essentially when Luke is offered to become a Jedi, right? And going on

off and leaving Tattoine because he's got to sit there. He has this moment. He puts his hand in the box. She feels that she wants to rush in there. She knows she cannot. And then the sigh of relief when she realizes that he did it. And even the gobjabber is like, all right, he might be the one. It could be. Well, he's the, you know, in the mythology, which is very, very dense, we'll get into that. And I think that's why there's some divisiveness on online and whatnot. But this kind of right of passage is, he is the one that has been able to withstand the most pain. Right. And the, the Ben-Jezer, they don't have men. They have females.

Right. She even says, she says to Lady Jessica, what are you doing here? Yeah. Yeah. She, her love for the Duke gave, she gave him Paul. Right. Basically is kind of the way you think about it. And we'll get into, and then Paul is able to figure out that, well, no, you will get a daughter because she is pregnant in this movie. And we'll see. Spoilers, everybody. This is what it is. But that's, that's an interesting relationship to see with Lady Jessica, the love she has for Paul, kind of going against the ways of the Benny Jesuit and having.

giving that to Duke is a fascinating thing to see. And then going back to Shalemate, it's all there in his performance. It also shows how powerful they are, though, too, because even, so what's the, what's the, what's the race of Dave Patista and the, the Harkinens? So the Harkinans, like, they're such scumbags, the way that they kind of build, you know, move around things. Because even, even the Goddrievers, like, hey, don't touch, do what you got to do with everybody else, you know, but don't touch. the kid and don't touch lady jessica and we're good and then even the baron the baron's like yeah we're gonna we're gonna let them die and and and david del's monscion who's also great in this movie he's so good um he's like you you just gave your word to her you can't kill them he's like well we're not

gonna kill them i'm not gonna lay hand on them but we'll leave him to die they'll just go out under the desert and then we'll they die they die we didn't we didn't do it um so that's the kind of way around it but even he knows he can't out outright not lie to them because that's how powerful they are and here's this this is where like the game of thrones aspect yes absolutely it's very game of thrones and what we're saying as far as we can get into jason jason jacin's um oscar isaac and talking about how he is i believe that his death is the most shakespearean thing of the whole thing the whole thing plays very shakespearean it's it's uh it's game of thrones you say it's a it's a giant chessboard it is in space

And you watch the emperor who we haven't yet to see in the movies yet. But we hear through the baron, which is Scars Guard. Yes, who's also phenomenal. He's so phenomenal. Great makeup, too. Oh, my God. This is visually a stunning movie. Just cross the board.

He's like gluttony in seven. Yep. He absolutely is. But, I mean, this is a chess game. And even the Duke knows that, you know. And it's the cause. And it's when you are called by the emperor to take on. Iraqis. Right. And now run the spice because he who controls the spice controls the universe. That's

kind of dune in a nutshell, I feel. Um, it's, they know they're going into danger. Yeah. What a scam the whole thing is. It is. But, but they, and that's why they're, they're like, but we, that's our duty. Right. And we're going to be wary. We're going to, we're going to do it. We're going to be okay. Because we're a tradies and we can do this. Right. And that's what I love so much about Oscar Isaac's character is because he is so proud. He is such a proud man. He's. And he's so smart and he's so willing to also lead. And when we meet Stilgar, who is Javier Bardem's character, also Suggler.

The Frayman are, you know, the native indigenous people of that planet. So they remind me of the wildlings in Game of Thrones. Right. Yeah, yeah, you can kind of see that. This is, there's so many moving pieces in this thing that is set up in this movie that is done so well. If you like this movie, get ready for Dune 2.

Which is Greenlit. It's been finally Greenlit yesterday. After one weekend in theaters, that is phenomenal to see. And thank God. And also, it's funny because we weren't sure when the announcement was made,

we said, well, wonder if they're going to do a streaming at the same day streaming like they did for this one. No, they're not. That was part of the negotiation this time around.

DeN. He said it's going to be exclusive in theaters, which I understand. And by the time this movie comes out, which is you're saying, you said 2023. Yeah, it's been dated for October, 2023. I mean, look, as I thought about it more, when you look at how he's been championing part two, like he wanted everything in his power was to do part two.

You know he's got everything laid out already. He's got the story laid out. He's got everything ready to go. The post-production, excuse me, pre-production is not going to like, well, what do we do now? Oh, we got to start making it. He's probably had it already to go. So two years, as crazy as it seems, like putting a movie two years in is tough.

I mean, Star Wars did it. But they at least executed the plan. Right, right, right. But this is different. I think I would have liked them to have shot it the same time. Back to back, like the rings did. Yeah. But I understand why that was a bigger risk for the studio.

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insured, not guaranteed, and may lose value. Absolutely. Going into this, there was so much conversation that, well, Dune is unadaptable, right? We cannot adapt this. There are books out there that they said this about it at one point. They said it about Lord of the Rings at one point. It's like because the mythology is so incredibly dense and complex.

will audiences respond to that? Will they walk in wanting a popcorn movie? You know, something they can just go in, have fun. And I think some people did want that. And I think that's why some people didn't respond to it and said, this is boring. I didn't like it. It was dull.

It took too long to get going. I think those are the people that just... It's not for them, maybe. It's not for them. They just, to them, they wanted, they wanted exactly that. They wanted the popcorn movie. They wanted some big fun overall sci-fi. Probably what they're going to get in part two.

You'll get more of it in part two. It's still going to be pretty detailed. and layered, but it's everything leading up to that, the same way that Return to the King was the big action piece at the end of, at the Lord of the Rings, where there's a lot of detail in the other two. But I'm back to your other point as far as how it's not adaptable. That's why a lot of things are now being turned into television shows, right? Because it's a lot easy to adapt all that material. I think like books, and look up like Percy Jackson, right? Percy Jackson, those two movies were just a bust. They just weren't good. They're turning them

into an end to the author's admission as well. They're turning it into a series on Disney Plus, which with all the mythology that that book has, they'd do it. So that's why I think this movie is such an accomplishment because I, you know me, I screamed from the heavens that everything should be streaming. Television shows now.

But I am very impressed in the way that Danny Villanou was able to adapt this in a two-hour-and-30-minute format, which isn't really that long when you look at how much material is, in here and what he was able to do. Yeah. I mean, well, this is, you look at, Nolan is praising this thing. Yeah. Left and right. Yeah. And there is something about this movie.

And I'm with you. They're like today's Spielberg and Coppola. They are. Yeah. They really are. And they are like really trying to, what's the word I'm looking for? Like make sure that the theatrical experience continues to live on in this time of streaming. And I'm with you. Like I was very much like when let's talk about Disney Plus. When Lucasfilm was like, here are all these streaming series of Star Wars and we're only getting two movies in the next like five years,

I'm a little upset about that. I was like, boomed. But then I watched the Mandalorian take shape and what happened and what they did and the characters and the character arcs and the story that was easily digestible at the very beginning then got very interesting as it went along. I get it.

Like adapting these things. you get more time, you get more, you know. And that was an original. And that was an original, correct. So if you consider, you know, Lord of the Rings that we're getting a series now, that's going to be interesting to see. But, Dune, there is something about, don't we want this with our movies? Don't we want a complexity where we can go back and also see the art and the craft

of being able to adapt a book in a way that on the big screen, on the big screen where you get that theatrical experience? You're not wrong where you were the opposite, I think, where you had to be convinced where, you know, TV is a good way to adapt a lot of these big screen stuff. I was starting to become the opposite, right? Right. I'm like a lot of these details, you don't necessarily need them on the big screen.

But after seeing Dune, and even though I saw it on my big screen TV, I'm like, oh, man, I'm actually, I saw Eternals, which Greg Alvin made the point yesterday. Eternals could have been a series on Disney Plus. And probably a good one at that. And I didn't disagree with them. I think that's true. But it was so gorgeous to look at on the big screen in IMAX, right?

So I can only imagine what Dune looks like on IMAX. I want a scene on IMAX. I went opening night to the theater. I remember talking to you're like, you got to go see it. Like, you know, you can watch it at home. Oh, I thought you watched it at home. I did watch it at home. Oh, you did.

But I decided to, it was kind of a last minute thing. So you saw it twice. Oh, yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, I went opening night Friday to the theater right down the street. And then I watched it again. And then I watched it again at home. And let me tell you, both times are, it's hard to qualify because, yes, it's better in the theater, you know, just because of what it looks like.

Sure. But I enjoyed the hell out of it at my house. Right. Because I have a great big, big screen that we got. Good sound. Good sound. We have the dimmer lights that we put down. We have all these things available to us.

Right. I wouldn't be able to watch it on like a little TV or anything. So I understand. No. When people think about that right of way. and they go, you're watching it on like the small screen? And it's like, I get that. I get that.

It's, it's supposed to be big. It's like, it's supposed to be, like, you're supposed to see the desert. Like, you could look around and see like the actual desert on all corners. And when the sandworm shows up in that scene, when they're there to save the soldiers, like how big and massive that must look on the IMAX. Do you know what I did in that theater during that part? No, it was kind of, it was almost like this reaction that I didn't know I made because Julie went. Like this is I went, oh my God Did you watch it?

I'm sorry, did you watch it first in the theater? Yeah, first in the theater. Yeah, yeah, because when we were talking about it And I was like, I don't know if I'm going to get around to it. I don't know if I can, yada, yada, yada, yada. You were like, you got to see it. It's at home. Why don't you watch it home?

And it was literally like, you know, it's right down the street. So like literally five minutes. Let's do it. And it was a very impulse last minute. Did you like it? She loved it. Did she really, really? loved it and she wants to watch it again.

Okay. And for a third time for her, that's, that's something to be. Yeah, it is. It's just, it is. It's, it's, it just sets it up so well. And going back to Oscar Isaac, what I liked so much when we mentioned it was that these little subtle moments that he's got throughout the entire movie. And it, it just, it's these subtle moments that make characters, right? And to show everything that you described him as, and one, like, a few of these moments, one of them being after this big moment where the spice is what enhances Paul's powers, you will, right? And it goes back to where this book was written in the 60s.

It's like the age of the psychedelics. A bunch of hippies. Yeah, you get to expand your mind. Yeah, the acid and all this stuff, the Timothy Leary stuff and all that. Right. And the power of opening up the doors of perception. Correct. And that's what ultimately is happening with Paul

and how he's able to open up and see more stuff. And the relationship he has with Josh. Brolin who also was so happy that they didn't turn him into like the guy who betrays the king. That's the way that they were setting that up. At least in most movies, you would go, okay, well, he's trained in the kid and he's going to turn on. Sure. He doesn't. Or at least he doesn't in this one.

And then there's this moment where he says when he's getting trained by Josh Brolin and Brolin says to, he says to Brolin, he says to Brolin, he says to Brolin, I can hear your footsteps old man. And then the call back to that as he's in this training. trance and he goes like, I can hear your footsteps. Oh man, they grabs them. They run. The sandworm almost gets them. But it's this moment that Oscar Isaac has with him because Paul is taking so long and he goes, basically, what are you doing? He's like, you can't do that, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Paul says to him, I'm sorry, sure what happened again. And he goes, get out of here. And then he goes back to business. Yeah. Right. He's like, okay, I told the kid what's going on. He got it.

I got to give him his lesson. He sees that he screwed up. He's a kid moving on. Right. Then there's the head of his security that. that they love and they see him. And he's the older black gentleman who is a great character actor. It just seems like a very warm character in every movie that he's in. But he's the mentat in this. Is that what he is? So Paul catches the dart.

It almost kills him and the security guard feels awful about it. And he says, he had a security, I should say. And he says to the Duke, he's just like, I'm sorry. I'm handing him my resignation. And he's like, what are he talking about? He's like, I don't care about your resignation. I don't care about your how your feelings right now. He's like, do your job.

Get back out there. And he's just like, you're right. And he does. And it's just like, and then with Stillgard, is that with Stillgard? Yeah, with how they are. Yep. So even that, when he comes in and, you know, there's, Josh Bolin is quick on the gun.

Like, so he spits and Momoa. It's like, no, no, no, it's their culture. It's such a great. Yeah. Giving the moisture. Yeah. It's an offering. Right.

And then even, and so Oscar is like, calm down everybody. When they go to put the suit on him and say, calm down everybody. And he's just, he's got this level head thing about him. So, like, when you finally get the betrayal by the doctor, it's this tragic thing where you're like, Shakespeare, man. Yeah, it's Shakespeare. He just, you just ain't going to, he ain't going to make it through. Right. And when he finally does that thing, and he try, and you think he takes the baron out with the gas at the end.

He takes everybody else but the baron out, see how strong. Like, how does that fuck or survive? Well, he has that weird ability to be able to, you know, float so he floated enough away because we see him basically clinging to the ceiling got away from the I guess the the blast zone if you want to call it that which was such a fantastic moment and to see the realization Oscar Isaac is probably my second favorite Shalomey really truly is my favorite of this and you know you always gravitate towards those Luke and I'm the on the you know the hero's journey guy I love to see and if it's done well you know there we go

But Oscar Isaac, you were talking about some of his quiet moments, his meeting with the friend and Stilgard and being open to, we have to make peace with this because if we do, it's going to make everything easier. It really is. He knows that. He's a good leader, but he knows that he's screwed.

He knows that it's his time and that he's going to go out and he's going to try to go out and taking everybody with him. It's such an important moment. for his character. Yeah. And he just plays it so beautifully. Well, even the doctor who has had the plan for the whole way through. He's just like, you know, when you get close enough, they're going to kill you.

But like, I got to do this. I got to try to save my wife, which is understandable. The heart wants, what it wants you trying to save your wife and your love of him, but you should also know that she's probably gone. Yeah. Because, you know, he ends a pretty, he, his death is pretty gruesome. They just chop his head off. But even he's not a bad dude.

He's just doing. He's putting a bad position. And, you know, I hope it lands with people in the movie because the book, you know, obviously goes deeper. And you get a little bit more of the politics. You get a little bit more of the, you know, what am I trying to? It's complex in a lot of ways. But this played really well because that is he's been put into a position where it's like, it's either my wife or you.

And I'm making that decision. So you know what's crazy? about this to too, even though you look at, I like, and I bring a reference, I'll tell you there is a reason why I bring a reference to it. Like, so the uncharted trailer came out, right? Right. And I,

I played all four games. Yeah, you too. And the trailer itself, to me, I don't think that Mark Wahlberg fits Sully at all. I don't mind him as Nathan, a young Nathan Drake. I know a lot of people see him as Spider-Man, they have a problem with it.

But the reason I bring it up is that what I will say that the grievance that everybody had that I share is I don't understand when it comes to video game movies why they always change the lure and they always either change it or they mix it up or they make it a mixture of all four games into one instead of just taking one of them and adapting them and this seems to stay true.

It's when you start to mess with everything that works. I understand when you've got to shorten things up and kind of cliff-noted a little bit. I understand that because the book, if you made the full book, it would have been a 15-hour movie. Right, exactly. So you have to, but staying true, like you said,

when you're talking about the doctor, you can't add all that stuff in there, but you get the basics of it. They don't switch it around and change it up. Actually, you know what he doesn't betray him because of this? He betrays him because he really wants to be the Duke. Like that kind of stuff. That's why it's a craft, the movie maker.

It is an art form. It is something that I am drawn to, the theatrical experience. And so when you have a filmmaker, like Denis, who's getting praised by Christopher Nolan, you know, as he should be.

As he should be. This is a masterpiece. They, it is. It's a masterpiece. And it is a, to adapt it the way he did, to be able to take the cliff notes,

make it accessible to an audience, make it flow with the story, to get all that, that feeling from it is a true accomplishment. It really is because the thing is, you know, bringing up the, like the David Lynch version,

right? That version of the book, I think proves started to prove to people wrong, even though it was wrong, but the people who said it can't be adapted. That's when they can go, see? Look at the great David Lynch. He can't do it because it was too weird and it wasn't accessible for everybody. And David Lynch wanted to make a crazy movie.

That's what Lynch does. It was just nuts. And it's like, I remember seeing it because it was right around the time of Star Wars when it's coming out. Lynch was offered Return of the Jedi and he went, no, I'm going to go make Dune instead. And he did. And it's like, because that came out in 84. Yeah, 84. around there. So it's right after Return of the Jedi. So people are hungry for

sci-fi, you know? So why I went and saw it. It's why everybody went and saw, but you're just like, yeah, went right over people's heads because it was too strange. And, you know, and honestly, I think that that movie needed to be made today because the technology back then doesn't do it the kind of justice that what Dean Eval knew was able to do. Yeah. And, you know, talking about like Zendaya and, and there was a great story that Greg Alba told on on the lost show, if you roll. Yeah, funny. On the lost audio.

And he talked about how he was in the theater. And while he was there, after about two hours, Wednesday, I shows up. Someone goes, finally, that's why I'm here. Yeah. Right? And it's like, she is like the whole reason for Paul's journey from everything that he sees, these visions that he goes, that he has.

She's the lead of these visions. But ultimately, and you know, and you talked about this, that how big of a role she has in part two. Oh yeah, I said, I made the joke. That guy in the theater is going to love Part 2. Right. Because she is a huge integral part of it. Yeah.

And I would push back on that guy. She is throughout the movie, maybe not in a way that they want it, of course, you know. And a lot of is, you know, not the traditional way that she's a main, she is a main character. But what she is that she's the harbinger. She is this vision that is calling to Paul, you know, part of his hero's job. journey. She is the vision, that she is that, that kind of the impetus behind Paul to, you know, what is going on making. And, you know, it's a movie about a choice, you know, and Paul makes a choice at the end of this that will then lead to the consequences in part two. Yeah. And she's,

I tied to that. So, you know, there's visions throughout and where we see her a lot. But yeah, I get it. You know, we want more of Zendaya. And the visions are something that was one of my favorite things throughout it because it's set up from the get-go with the gobjabber. And she asked him, these visions that you have, do they always come true? And he says, not exactly. It's so great because there's like the Dunkin stuff, right? And we'll get a little bit more into Jason Momoa in just a moment. But like when he, he's like, I saw you die.

And he's like, I'm not. I'm going to die. Right. I need to be there with you. So he's not there with him. He doesn't die. But when he's there with him, he does. And he kind of dies in the way that he saw the vision in that hallway with all the,

and he does. So that particular vision, although maybe not exactly the same way, does happen. Yeah. So then the other thing that I thought was great was the guy that Paul ultimately kills to become part of the Fremen. That guy, he sees in a vision as his mentor. Yeah. He sees that guy and in a weird way, he is the guy that ultimately allows him to become, you know, because Paul's such a great fighter because he sees that guy kill him.

Paul sees himself die on that guy's hands at one point in the vision two. But it's the opposite of what happens. And maybe it's the what he's ultimately seeing. You tell me, because you read the book, the way that I took that, it was the innocence and the old Paul that was there, that Paul dies. Yes. Because of that fight. Absolutely. I agree with that 100%.

That's what, that's to me what he's seeing. He's not seeing his actual death. He's seeing the death of who he was. Correct. Yeah. The new Paul is born through that fight. Yeah, exactly. And if you look at it this way, I said earlier, it's like he has one foot in two different worlds.

Yeah. You know, he is the son of Duke. He is, he is part of House of Trades, which is a very regal, proud house. Yeah. Right? And, you know, taking on the planet of Iraqis is dangerous. Yeah. But it is part of their duty.

And so they're going to do that. So there's Paul living in the shadow of his father. Right. And literally in the shadow, trying to be, you know, learning from Brolin's character and Duncan and Moa's character, learning the ways of being a warrior. But then the other foot is in the Ben-Jezerite kind of religion. the lady Jessica, mom, you know, teaching him the voice, teaching him the ways of this religion. When we get to that end part, he makes that choice.

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We understand why. He's a great warrior, but he's not super serious. He can crack jokes. He is kind of, he's a bit of a hippie. You know, he's, he's understanding. He's a warrior, but he also, like, he even says he fought some of the, the, fremen, and he's like, I lived with them, they can kick ass, man. He's like, that was the closest I ever came.

I love that line. He's the closest I ever came to die. Yeah. I mean, if you consider his character and consider, consider what he needs to do. He went to live with the friend. That's why he is the way he is. Yeah.

That's why he is so approachable. That's why he has a personality. That's maybe a little bit different than the, you know, I am smiling, you know, with Brolin or Duke Ledo or whoever it may be. Duncan Idaho has to adapt to wherever he goes because that's his job. That's his duty. Yeah. And so that's why I love, he nailed it.

He really did. And you see the love that he's got for the royal family, you know, it's like after he's loved that. scene when he's making them, when he's flying through the, uh, on the, the helicopter, whatever and, and, and, and he's, he's, he's making them blow things up as he's, as he's, as he's flying around. God, I can't wait to see this movie again. It's, it's great, man, like all that stuff that goes through. You don't really see Brolin's character die, so leaves it open. Maybe, maybe he's, maybe he's, maybe he's a hostage,

maybe he's, maybe, I don't know. We don't know where he is, but we don't see him actually die. Mm-hmm. In the battle. So, Riley's keeping that open. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I haven't read the book. Close to the best. But like all of that, and the way that even that little smile

that Brolin has when he's running towards, he's like, follow me, you know, and he's doing that whole thing. Because it's, that whole, the mission is,

they're set up to fail from the moment that they're there. The emperor does not like house of traities. Right. We know that now. He's, to me, he seems like the Lannister's to, to their start.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's all the power thing. And, And again, going back, it's a chess board. And, you know, a big move happened with the Harkinans and the Baron. And there's still, I mean, you know, Denise said, I'm so glad that I was able to set up this world now.

And it's a really complex, dense mythology. We've talked a lot about that. And then he's like, I can't wait to get to the second half because there's a lot that's going to happen. But believe me, that chess game is still going on, that intrigue, that political, whatever you want to call it, There are some twists and turns coming that a lot of, if you're not familiar with the book, that are tied to everything. And I can't wait for audiences to realize it. Yeah, I can't wait for this movie, Part 2, because of how invested I am with the way that they set everything up, right?

The fact that the entire system, the entire government of a trade is just wiped out more or less. And then it's just Lady Jessica and Paul on the run trying to figure it out, him staying in the desert, She wants to, he needs to get back to space. He's like, no, I'm good here. This is where I want. The visions have told me he wants to be, you know, and he makes that choice. Yeah, and that's why, because even like, again, we had that vision of where Paul sees himself gets stabbed by Zendaya.

That doesn't happen, right? Like, we're going to find out more in part two what that means overall. Like, and I did like the idea that when he, and we didn't really actually touch on this on yesterday, the idea of when he shows up, and they already had this idea that people there that he, there's word that this kid is coming. And they're chanting for him and they're doing this. And like, I love that moment when the woman who's working for the emperor, but she ultimately is fremen, the one who is kind of their guide throughout.

And then she winds up dying with the worm with the two. She has that scene of like when she's talking about the boots and she says to him, well, how did you learn to do that? He's like, no, it just seemed like the right thing to do. And then she says, whatever the thing that she says out loud, but like it. part of the prophecy or like he will yeah he will know he'll know your ways without knowing how to do as if it's his own thing whatever he says but it's like little things like that little nuggets that they just pepper in throughout it just adds so much to it and it doesn't take away like you know everybody's

overall arc and mission of what they are and who they are right like the you understand the doctor you know you might not agree with what he does but you understand the doctor you understand duncan you understand what's uh what's Josh Boland's character's name a gurney hallock you understand you understand the lady Jessica you understand the gob jabber like the the baron the lady the yeah the reverend mother um the gob jabber is the device that sticks the hand in the reverend mother is is the like a high priestess kind of thing right the kind of the kind of the the highest you can go with the benny jessera kind of uh way religion yeah um yeah yeah like That's going to the craft of storytelling and how this movie can be.

It is dense. It is a mythology that you're going to, you're not going to get it right away if you're not reading this book a hundred times. And that's what I love about this movie so much is that already on a second viewing, I'm like, oh, right. Like, isn't that what we want? Yeah, absolutely. For movie lovers out there, even like Game of Thrones people,

and Lord of the Rings, it's like when you watch these things and play out and these stories, there's a lot of intrigue, there's a lot of twists, there's a lot of turns. You're not going to get everything in that first. So you know what reminds me of also is when I saw Kill Bill Volume 1, like, I mean, I loved that movie. I still might say Kill Bill Volume 1 might be my favorite Tarantino movie. Really? Yeah, I did.

I just think it's just so different and so out of the music, everything about it is just, sure, that's great. Second one is really good too. But when you watch them together, the second one, one just makes the first one so much better. The first one makes the second one so much better, right? Yeah. And I feel the same way with this.

It's the same, it's the, it's the thing I always said about, like, the Matrix. Matrix 1, one of the best movies of all time. Yeah, masterpiece. Matrix 2 had 3 been great, 2 would have become phenomenal. Because 2 is set up in a way where you're like, well, wait, there's, I remember going, and I always remember saying, wait until you see 3. Right, right. Three delivers.

Three is going to make two look really good. Right. Three just didn't deliver and it didn't make any of it. And so when you look at two, you don't, there's not a lot of people who look at Matrix 2 and go, that's terrible. They just go, be. Yeah. They say three is the terrible one, right? This movie, after you watch the first movie and you're like, okay.

I mean, even if you say like, oh, it's bored or everything too, and it locks into this big action piece of what they say is coming to. And then you watch it as this big epic, like five-hour movie. Yeah. Think about it. That's when people are going to go, oh, because I think that, too, especially if it's a, and that's the beauty of source material. It's tested. It's understood. It's worked before in the literal medium, and now it's literary medium, and now it will be, and now it will work.

It'll tie together the same way as you mentioned Lord of the Rings. Yeah, and that's exactly right. That's the way I feel. We're going to get to that point where. audiences are going to see part two in October of 2023, and they're going to go, ah, you know, and they're going to be people out there, they're going to go get the book. They're going to be people. I do believe this will enter the zeitgeist like Lord of the Rings Matrix.

You know, we're going to be saying, like, later on, you know, it's like, use the force, you know, whatever. That's a, that's a term that now we've coined in everyday life or, you know, quoting things. I think we'll say the same thing about Dune. Well, there's going to be pieces of this story and mythology that are going to live within people now when you get so involved and when you start seeing this and when you start digesting the crazy mythology that this is. Yeah, and I think that that's what a lot of people, and I do think that's the beauty of the day of streaming though, too, man, because I think a lot of people who wouldn't be interested to see this in the theater are going to go. I'll try it. And then they fall in love with it, right?

Then I think some people who are like, I was right, I'm bored. Sure. And that's, you know, that I like the easy access of it. But I do understand, and I actually do think it's smart, even though I don't like it. I do think it's smart to make the second one exclusive, just the theaters. And then, but at least give me 30 days and not three months before it comes out on HBO Max. Like, there's got to be some benefits to, because HBO Max right now, you have all these benefits. because you get the same day release, right?

It's a mess. It's one of their main reasons there's been so successful. Yeah, the HBO Max app is, I just love it. It's great. It's my favorite of the streaming series. It's great. They have a lot of great things.

Their movie selection, the original content, it's all great stuff, right? But one of the main attractions right now is what they did with the same day. Now, I understand that they can't do that. I understand that they did that because of the times that we live in and they made a move. And I also understand that,

pissed off a lot of directors. Nolan being one of those directors. Yeah. But to do three months, four months, the way that movie theaters in general work, especially for a movie like this, this movie will come out most likely in the summertime. And then a week later,

two weeks later after it releases, another big movie will come out. Right. They have to make it in two weeks. Yeah. They really do. I mean, you have to, like, a Marvel movie, a Star Wars movie, a Dune.

I mean, not necessarily Dune, but because of, you know, Marvel Star Wars being what it is now. You have to make over $100 million opening weekend or you are a bust. You're a bust. And that's why by putting them out on your streaming service like Quick. And there's also, I think what you're going to see with streaming services, for movies that don't deliver, like if there's a big movie that comes out and it, each shit in the theater, I think you'll see it on, let's say it's an HBO Max movie, right?

I think you'll see it on the platform faster than you would if it did well, right? So if a movie does very well, I think you give it a month because 30 days, you normally have like the first month in the theater is really where you make your big money. Yeah, I agree with that. I think and I think that's where it's, that was probably the compromise that Dini made. He negotiated it. He'd negotiate 30 days seems right to me. But isn't that crazy though?

how still was able to knowing that just shows you that the studio probably thought it was going to be too big of a risk in general. Why don't you sign that guy to a deal immediately to make two movies already? And then inside of that deal, say, if we need to put it on streaming, you know, this, this, that should. I mean, granted, when they signed the initial deal with him, the pandemic wasn't the thing. Right. So, but, but why you didn't already have him locked into due to? And I think that speaks to the source material and a lot of the chatter going into this. We were talking about it all the way back on Collider Live, you know, and it was like, I don't know.

And it's like, no, listen. It is, you know, it is a mythology. We keep saying that is dense. Sure. Keep saying that. But it's hard to swallow right away, you know. It's like I was a lot of it. Tremendously.

Okay. And I haven't done that yet. Tremendously. Yeah. But, you know, I liken it to a glass of wine, you know, or a bottle of wine. You open it up, smells a certain way. You're like, okay, let's take a little sip and you're like, ooh, that's good. That's good.

Okay. Let that open up. Let's get some oxygen in there. Get some oxygen in this, right? Watch Dune. That's like pop in the bottle. You smell it. You taste it for the first time.

And as this movie continues to exist and is there for you on HBO Max in theaters right now, you can go again and you can get that flutter of, you know, some fruit. Yeah. And it's, and then you get a little bit of the soil. You get a little bit of the taste tester. It really does open up after time. It's a great point because I think that there's a lot that, like, I'm excited to watch it again to pick up little nuances that I missed and little things.

And knowing now, for example, now knowing what I do about Lady Jessica, I'm going to look at her differently in scene one that I did when I watched it the first time. Right? And I'm going to look at that scene so much differently when he meets the gobber for the first time. I'm going to look at the difference the first time I see the Duke. I mean, there's so much.

I'm going to look. Like the, what's the emperor's race called? A he he, no. The emperor, I can't, I can't remember. Because he sends all his guards in, because it's his guards that kill Mamoa. Yeah, yeah. It's, God.

It's all right, whatever. But either way, like even that, and how many guards Mamoa takes out and that scene. And the technology, you know, the technology we talked about briefly yesterday was where what I liked about it with the, you know, you'd see blue when the shields up, but it's like the

red, and Greg yesterday said it reminds you like when you see the levels of like a video game. Right, right. You're like, oh, oh, your life is wanting here. Yeah, like when an arrow comes in on Isaac and it's just, it gets red and he's almost there and it's like, it's devastating,

right? And yeah, and the music in this movie, there's just so much that works. We have. I haven't really talked about that. So Hans Zimmer did not take tenant with Nolan his long time because he wanted to do Dune. Wow. He's a Dune hit. He's like, I got to do Dune.

Sorry, Nolan. And Nolan was probably cool with it. But you know what's funny? I'm such a Hans Zimmer stand, if you will, right? I've seen him in concert. I can usually pick out pretty quick when Hans Zimmer does a score because he's got a lot of similar tones and things that he does. Yeah, I know where you're going with this. Couldn't recognize it.

He did something very different here. That's a compliment. Yeah, it is a very big compliment because it, again, Code of the Wine metaphor, like, it's going to play out. We're going to be talking about this music and this movie for a very long time. And you can hear this music and it's like, I just heard something masterful.

Yeah. Now when you hear it again, watch it again, whatever, it's going to just keep building and get into it more. Did he do, no, it was Horner, wasn't it? Who did Troy? Wasn't it, was it Horner? It was Horner, I believe, because I feel like, and maybe, because I saw them. I can't remember.

I saw them close to each other, but Eternal has a great score also, but it's from the composer of Game of Thrones. Oh, that's right, Rom Joadi, yeah. So the, but there's one, and I'm pretty sure it's Dune, I got to see it again, because they played similar to me, the, the feel and, you. the scale of the score. But I'm pretty sure it was Dune that made me, that made me think of the Troy score. Okay. And I wonder, like, I'm pretty sure.

Maybe it's Zimmer. I think it was Horner. Let me, I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to check it out. I should know this. I'm going to look right now, too. Yeah, I'm going to see the Troy score. Let's see. We'll find out.

The composer was, who was it? James Warner. It was, yeah, it was Horner. Yeah, it was Horner. The great James Horner The great James Horner You know it's funny about Horner I totally forgot

I just we're doing a rewatch For the Spider-Man And we just watched The Amazing Spider-Man Yeah he did that one He did that scoreboard I think that was like his last one before he passed One of the last ones Magnificent 7 I believe

Was that the last one? Yeah Yeah Yeah He was yeah Horner is just one of the greats Yeah Legends of the Falls my favorite

Oh so good But Zimmer Then to do this And it's It's Zimmer did Amazing Spider-Man too You can believe it. How about that?

Look at that. Yeah. So this is, this is interesting then because if what you're saying makes sense that he's such dunehead, that he's got an idea of what it would sound like, how it would be. Probably been composing this thing for his entire life. Yeah, for a long time. If he's a dune head, if he's like going in. Like he.

The sweeping what he would do. Yeah. I mean, I bet he had a, like, I can just imagine Hans Zimmer when he hears that this project is coming to fruition. is like him going calling, sending gift baskets, you know, to be a part of this. You know what I would definitely do, though, if I was single and I was, you didn't have responsibilities, if you will, I would go probably just grab a coffee early in the morning and go like, have breakfast right beforehand and go to the first screening in IMAX and just sit down and watch this movie again.

Oh, yeah. That's a dream. That's what I like to do. Take an edible and go in there. Yeah, why not? Why not? I mean, that's what Paul tells you to do anyway, right? Right, yeah.

No, it's the spice. It expands the mind. It's true. In the mythology of Dune, it leads to deep space navigation. Yeah, you know. Yeah, obviously, like what they're able to do. And we touched on this yesterday, even in Star Wars, there's so much that Star Wars takes from June, whether it's the spice stuff, the spice trading and the desert planet. Tonsorne.

Tonsorne. I mean, George, and it wasn't just Dune that George took inspirations from. from Kirasawa, from Flash Gordon. I mean, so much. The serials of his youth, you know, cliffhangers and whatnot. That's why Empire is so great, you know. This, yeah, and that's, Dune is a part of the, you know, there are a lot of artists and filmmakers that started by reading Dune.

Started by reading Lord of the Rings trilogy. These are books that are really, really, fascinating. And so, you know, I can see, you know, I don't like the conversation when you're like, ah, it's Star Wars for adults. It's like, no, it's not. It's different. It's different. It's just different. I understand that like more, I understand how kids would gravitate towards Star Wars more, but that's to, but Star Wars is also for adults. So to say just that, because you can, you can, I mean, even George, I know people, well, George Lucas says that that Star Wars is for children. Yeah, but adults can enjoy it, right? And adults enjoy like the the the,

a lot of the original trilogy, a lot of everything too, but it's, but understanding the point of that it is geared toward, like the prequels are geared towards children. Right. And you know, this is not.

This is not geared towards children. It doesn't mean that you can't enjoy Star Wars if you're an adult. Right. You know, it's like, it's, I always get, I always get testy when people say like, you know, when we ask,

they goofing around, people do it. But like when we, when we ask animated questions in Shmodown, people are we asking kids questions for, it's like, Nope. It's for kids. I love the animated movies.

Adults can enjoy animation. Adults can enjoy Pixar. So I never like that, that, like, you know, that brass hacks. That's what this is. But for Dune, if you ask who's the audience, you're not going to gear this towards children. No. This is not a children's movie. So I understand that point.

I do, too. Star Wars is a fairy tale instead of once upon a time. It's a long time ago. This is science fiction. And this is science fiction. Correct. Science fiction is a little bit more heady. Yeah.

You know, and look, everything is gray. It's not black and white, you know. You can look at the mythology of Star Wars, and it's a little bit easily more digestible because of what Lucas does. You know, it's laser swords and space wizards. It's pretty, yeah. Right. And not complex dialogue.

No. Dune is not that. No. Dune is science fiction. It is very, very, very. heavy to consider. There's a lot of politics. You know,

there's a lot of religion. There's a lot of, there's a lot gone, especially when you look at when it was written and a lot of it plays too, true to what's going on today. Now, Lord of the Rings is,

is an adult version of Game of Thrones. No, I mean, it's like, you know what I mean? It's like, Game of Thrones is right, to reverse that. That's kind of what I feel like that. Yeah, exactly. More boobs, you know? It's like, no, it's, it's, Game of Thrones is, you wouldn't let your kid watch Game of Thrones, but you'd want, let them watch Lord of the Rings.

That's, that's, that's what, that, that was my issue with that statement. It was that it was more.