The Kristian Harloff Show - Eternals Movie Review! (Non Spoiler) | The Big Thing

Episode Date: October 25, 2021

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All right, everybody, happy Monday. What a day it's going to be today. As you may or may not seen, I dropped a little non-spoiler review of Eternals. Still non-spoiler, but I'm going to have a longer conversation about it with my boy, Koi Xandrew, who saw the film with me. And now we finally get to talk about it. It's the non-spoiler review of Eternals, the latest Marvel film. We're going to go into depth on that. A lot of the episode is really going to cover that.

And the fact, first movie I've seen in the theater in like two years. But questions that we have, things that, you know, in general, that there's going to be absolutely no spoilers in this one. I don't want to scare anybody at all because I know the movie has not come out yet. We will be doing a full spoiler review. That will be coming out soon. But we might catch up a little bit on Dune as well. And there's mention of the Sopranos.

They're going to do a prequel series. A little things like that. But the majority of this episode is really going to be Eternals and breaking it down. At least that's what I think. That's the goal. But it's me. It's Koi. It's our show.

It's the big thing. Please check us out. And let's get to it, man. It's time to go. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. The big thing. I'm Christian Harlaw. This is our show here that we do.

Joie Jandru. Just did the Spider-Man rewatch. Spider-Man 3 just dropped on Friday. Myself, Coy, and Winston. And we talked about it briefly, coy on that episode of how we were, so we couldn't stop talking about a turn of time. to actually have this conversation.

Since we, I don't know, you spoiled something for me. Did I? Not on purpose. It was you and your stupid theories because you know so much about comic books. You spoiled something. You said something on the show that actually happened. In Eternals? Yeah.

Okay. We won't do that here. We'll talk about that on the spoiler review. That's so funny. I didn't know that until this moment. There's just something you did when we were talking about it. Something you said. And I was like, you bastard.

Guys, I know comics. It's a problem. Because I was kind of waiting for it. to happen because you said it. But anyway, that's for our spoiler conversation. But Koi and I, we've been talking about Eternals for a little bit, and I told you that this was going to be the one that got me out of the house, finally. Two years.

It's been two years. The last one I saw it. It's almost two years. But it's bloodshot, the one with Vin Diesel was the last movie. What a dichotomy. I didn't hate that movie as much. But as far as comic book genre content. Absolutely.

Night and day. Not in night. One of them is an 80s action movie. One of them is this sweeping epic. Yes. And that's exactly what this film is. This film is a sweeping epic. And you and I spoke about it afterwards. Everyone's been using the word dense for this film.

It's appropriate. Yep. Everyone has been saying this movie is very long. It is. Should it been as long as it is? Probably not. Am I happy that it is? Yes, I am.

I liked the link. I loved the link. And you know what? I would argue the length is going to keep people that are going to hate it any way away. I think it's a positive. I inherently like all of it about it. I think because this movie is so. different than other Marvel films that a lot of people who are expecting kind of the Marvel

Paint by Numbers formula they've been doing for so long they're going to not like it. I think that there's this is just this is what I what I love this movie doesn't happen 10 years ago because five years ago they allowed Chloe's Out to make a Chloe's Out movie which I can't imagine in a million years they like Edgar Wright they I mean a different circumstance. This is the post Marvel committee fall apart movie. To me, I don't know if you got, do you know anything about the Marvel Committee? No, tell me. So the Marvel Committee was headed by Ike Perlmutter, which you've heard all sorts of legend about.

It was this little brain trust in New York that basically shut down Rebecca Ferguson as the villain in Iron Man 3 because of toy sales, shut down doing an earlier Black Widow movie, caused all sorts of hindrines of people with color or women leading films, had all of these things that basically made at this phase one white problem. All of that was this Marvel committee. And to me, Eternals was, hey, that's over now. And they made this beautiful film. They made something that was actually what Kevin Feigy's been showing. And for me, it's less about the politics of it all when I look at it because, sure, all that stuff, you know, weren't to. But like, I just like the fact, because to me it wasn't, this isn't a, this, there was no political statements. There was other than this.

It was the movie was a movie by a filmmaker who just got to do her thing. Yeah. Right? And it wasn't, didn't have to, still have to fit within the story. Basically, every Marvel movie is going to be, this is where we are going. This is what we are focusing on. right now, this is the overall story of the Eternals, not like a, not to take a shot at Last Shadow, but I like a Ryan Johnson thing where it's like, okay, Ryan Johnson, make your own

Star Wars movie and change up whatever you want. That's not what this is. Yeah. This is, and you can speak more about this on the overall Eternal stuff, because I don't know enough about it, but what I can tell you is going in someone who's never read the comics before the Eternal's comics, knowing nothing about them, if you take away, and this isn't a spoiler, because it's in the trailer, or the references to Thanos and those little things to let you know, hey, this is a Marvel movie? By the way.

Yeah. By the way. Without that, this is a standalone science fiction movie that was beautiful. The shots, the scene, you see this in IMAX, if you can see it in IMAX,

by the way. And it's just so different, and it was this, I love new science fiction kind of fantasy films, right? That's what this was to me. I didn't feel like it was watching a Marvel movie. I felt like I was watching a science fiction film,

There were certainly elements, like, there's a lot of Superman type stuff in here. Superman the Flash. Like, it's their version, like, Icarus is Superman. What's the character's name is, does the Flash? Oh, she. Yeah. Wow, look at you. Macari.

Macari. Macari. I got scared. Wow. I've never seen you've been stumped before. Oh, no. Stump the coy. But, yeah, so there's, there's, there's those, this to me seems like there are superhero elements to it.

There's no doubt about it. But it just, I don't know, man. I loved this movie. I really loved it. I think this has more DNA with Dune than Iron Man. And I think that's a really important thing from going into it. And you said that before you saw Dune. And I did.

And then I saw Dune and I was like, hey, I'm having two amazing experiences that I've not had with anything else. It was really interesting to have these films that felt so beautifully symmetrical without having had either of those experiences ever before. I've never experienced anything like Eternals. I've never experienced anything like 20 minutes in. I was like, I feel different sensations. And then it ended. I was like, I would like another three hours, please. And that's a really beautiful feeling when you're in something that immersive.

The movie puts you in a world in such a way that you're attached. You're attached. You're attached. There's a lot of like this kind of flashback moments and things that happen to set up. I think I've seen that some of the criticisms was that it wasn't that the characters weren't established enough. I feel the opposite. I thought I cared more about the characters and I felt about a lot of characters recently because I'm watching it. And when certain things happen with certain characters, I was like, okay, I'm so invested.

to them and because there's and this is a hard thing to do and maybe easier to do because there's a 240 movie or whatever it is it's hard to make that many characters and make me realize I can look at each one of those characters and say oh that's what that person's arc is yes that person's thing every person every one of the eternals has a thing yeah and it's all and it's it's it's kind of magical to be able to do that in it in that because I'm I still stand by the fact that I beat the drum for television because television is a lot of easier to establish characters and make you care. It's more like a comic book.

It's serialized. It is. But Eternals does a thing that is very rare to do. Whether it's 240 or not, you have a very clear understanding. And once we get into, I mean, there's just, like, Icarus, you know what Icarus wants to do? They establish that he's the most powerful guy, his mantra, his understanding. And then, and it's very fun to see both of the snows.

going after Searcy. Yeah. Like the fact that... Very clever cast. That was very clever. They enjoyed themselves. They really did. And the only...

I mean, there are definitely some gripes, for sure. And this is... I have way less gripes than I usually do. Really? And that's really interesting because not only is this something that proved me wrong. I've always said you needed a series of films

leading up to a teen film. And then Guardians of the Galaxy showed me you can do it with fun. They showed me you can do it with drama. To me, it's actually beautifully reminiscent of the first time I saw the first Guardians where I was so like, wait, are they assembling an Avengers-sized team of characters

that are even less known? Like a rocket, a tree, Star Lord. All of that's insane to make one movie work. This is denser, it's dramatic, and it's headier. This movie is a character study that is really a commentary on theology, morality,

and mortality, which are way harder concepts than like a talking raccoon and daddy issues. So, like, what this accomplished in one film it proved me you could do a Justice League in one movie and I've always said that's impossible. Yeah it's from the established the way that they establish themselves and the way I think the only reason I think is a difference between like Justice League and this is that what this movie has a leg up on is that you don't know a lot of these characters. Sure right so you're less invested in like and some of the argument yeah and some of the argument

would be like well that's because then that should be easier to do a justice league movie it's actually harder because you want to set up who which actor how they establishes. us where they're getting, what version of it? There's so many different versions of Superman and Batman. Like, it's tougher to do. But this movie, when you set this up and you see these characters and how long they've been around, why they've been around, the journey that they have to go through, the reason for their journey.

Selma Hayek is fantastic as Jacks. Ajax. Ajax. Oh, I was going to Ajax. Ajax. Ajax. She's really good in the role. I think she fits the leadership role.

But I got to give kudos to Angelina Jolie. because when Angelina Jolie was cast in this film, I said, well, it's very similar to how I felt when Will Smith was cast in Suicide Squad, and I was like, this is going to become a Will Smith movie. This is going to become an Angelina Jolie movie. They're not going to get out of the way of the ensemble. I was wrong on both accounts.

Because Will Smith was phenomenal in that film. I didn't like that movie, but he was great in the movie. And he fit the cast very well and didn't try to take over and make it a Will Smith film. Agreed. Even though his story, line was very prominent and so was hers, but she just does the job. Yeah. And she doesn't try to say, look at me, I'm Angelina Jolie. Here's my big huge moment. She has her moments, but they're well deserved.

But they're ensemble moments. They're never, I'm showboating or pulling focus. Never. All of her focus is appropriate to the story. And every time you're captivated by her, it's intentional. It's not like Jolie. Like you're shown what to be invested in. And I was so impressed by like, eight. leads effectively. This is the best that she's been in a long time. It's a long time. She's really good in this. Not that she's been bad in other stuff,

but it was just like she didn't have to be Angelina or Julia. I bought her as Thina. That's who I saw her as. I didn't see her as Angelina Jolie. So the actress who plays Ceresi. Let me get the actress. She's the really. Jimenez-Chann.

Okay, so she's the, Jimmy Chan. So she's the protagonist in this film. I think she's really good. in it, I feel like she had the least to do out of everybody. You know, I had an interesting conversation about, and this is going to stay just as spoiler-free, about Dune, where if you're so focused on a lead for a length of movie like this, because Dune's 235, they're very similar in a lot of ways, where you know them more because of runtime, I feel like there's less of those spicy moments, Dune, pun intended, where you're

going to be like character actor, where you're going to be like this. So I feel like they have to do less at a time, otherwise it'd be overwere one. Think about if they were doing as much gravitas and big... No, I know, but I've just been character moments in Jed. I feel like... You're sitting feeling? The moments that she had were good, but I just feel like she was the most underdeveloped out of all of the characters.

I felt Sprite was very well developed, and there was a reason for a lot of the stuff that she was going through. Drewig's my favorite, man. Drewig is phenomenal. That kid is so... Very Keown, man. Very Keone. So he was really good in Dunkirk.

Yeah. He is really, I mean, he's, he always pops up and he's really good. I think this is, he reminds me in Tyler Sheridan. I see that. Yeah, and he, he steals the show. Can I say to hear an Irish accent? Like, I'm Irish. Like, come on.

But, like, my family's Irish. To hear an Irish accent in a Marvel film, I didn't think would impact me as much. No. But, like, when it happened, it was like, oh, I'm my people. Like, it was so impactful. He's really good. And again, without spoilers, going into it, where they go with him is, is a really good spot.

Yeah. I'll just say that where they go with him. Kyle McJohnny. Yeah, man. Camel is such a genius. I think what they do with Camel, Kingo is his character name. What they do with Kingo is they allow us to have the Camel

and eat it too, so to speak. We get to have, he gets to be, I'm like Angelina, he gets to be the character, but it suits Kingo while also suiting Camel. It does because he also has a purpose, right? And he's, and he is, the things that he does. What Camel thought, what he was so good at was he's the one, in this movie that if you're missing

that Marvel humor, he's the one who suits it, he's the one that puts it in there the Marvel humor that fits, right? It's not the Guardians and two, everybody gets a joke stuff. This is more of like, it fits and there's a great dynamic that he's got with another character that I won't kind of go into, but like that stuff played well.

There was a couple times where I did, it felt it was weird because you're watching like this kind of beautiful, dramatic film, and then it just these comedic moments popped in, like, oh, we need it to get a little funnier so it's not too drab right here. You felt that? Like twice, but that's not bad.

It's not bad. But yeah, I think I know two specific moments that like. But as far as the density goes and as far as what you will ask people to do and even we've just done it already five times already in this review is you have to keep going back. Wait, who was that? What was their name? It's like a Game of Thrones episode. Because I don't want to get it wrong now in spoiler free and have you have an association with the character. So I'm just double checking.

Like they're dense names. And like Fastos is a name that you only hear a couple times and he's a very important character. of Brian Tyree Henry's character. He's great. But you only hear his name a couple times, so you really have to be focused up because that's an essential part of the entire team, but it's not badly written.

Because you know when you watch like a bad, like a student film and they're like, hey, Jim, how you doing, Bob? Hey, Bill. And they don't let you have that. They trust you as an audience. And I think that's the strength of this film is Marvel trusted Chloe Jow

and Chloe Jow trusted us to be invested. Is it Z? I thought I thought it was Jow. I don't know. It's with a Z. I just don't pronounce it. But maybe you're right. I misprose it.

One of us. One of us is right. Right. So, but either way, she does a phenomenal job. Yeah. And she trusted us. And she does. And I think that that's the thing.

The question is, it's the audience, if the audience is ready for this type of movie. Yeah. Where you have all your superhero moments. I mean, those moments are in there for sure. It's just, there are those long sweeping shots. There is those dramatic shots. Like if someone, like in normal,

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There's, she takes her time of the shot. If people are holding your hands, you'll get a close-up on the hands. Yeah.

And is it just to do an artistic shot? It's not. It's, it's the impact of the moment. It's the reason for why it's happening.

And that is what was so fascinating to me is that like every, the way that she was telling a story throughout her imagery, I was just, I didn't want to leave. I had to pee one point.

I'm like, don't tell me, tell me everything. I was like, I just didn't want, I didn't want to miss anything. Yeah. And it's a dense enough

movie that even though it's 2.40, you can't really leave. Like, when you came back, I had to explain a decent amount and you were gone like two minutes. I was gone, it was really fast. Yeah. And it's close. But like there's a, there's a lot going on every two minutes. It's a long hallway, though. It's a long hallway that there. But, um, but, but, but either way, it was, there was just, there's a lot going on. It's something that I think I definitely want to watch that movie again. Same. And the thing with that film is that sometimes, whether it's a comic book movie or just movies in general, you see the movie. It goes in. You can talk about it. You forget it. Right. Right. Right.

As I replay this movie in my head, I remember it all. I've been thinking about it nonstop, too. It didn't leave me. It didn't leave me. I'm with it now. And I love being in that world. And music. Oh, who did the score?

Who did the score? Tell me, tell me. I'm going to find out. We're going to look it up. I'm downloading that score. It's just, it's epic. It reminds me. Like, this is why I was, where I think, I, at this, the time that this comes out, I would have, I will have

already seen Dune. Raman J-W-A-W-D-I-D-A-W-D-I. if that's the same person did the score for Dune. Let's find. Oh, that'd be interesting. Westworld Game of Thrones. Iron Man. Okay.

Yeah. Okay. Space Jam. Big hit. Interesting. Game of Thrones. So that's where, that's the, that's the main composer from, for that's, I knew I knew that name.

It's the main composer for Game of Thrones. And you felt it. Yeah. 100%. And as far as Kit Harrington goes, I don't want to talk about his role in general because I don't want to get too into the plot for the beginning. I just say he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, He's the boyfriend of Ceres.

Yep. Who then finds out, you know, what's going on? They go on their mission. They, everybody reconnects and they have to connect this team again. But the connection to the team and just the way that all played out. And yeah, I told the line. It's a tricky. Yeah, because the next time is going to be bananas.

Yeah. But I will say that as a Kirby fan, anyone that's watching this wondering how they handle the Kirby stuff, You've seen a celestial in the trailer. You're not ready to see one in a theater. Right. It's so powerful. It is so, yeah. Like, it is way more, I remember doing, watching trailer reactions because I was like,

what are people going to think of this? And then everyone going, and you can tell the people that are like fans of the comic, you're not ready if you like Celestials for the scope of this movie. You know, the other thing is that everyone was talking about what Marvel's going to do after Infinity War, right? Yeah. Well, they're swinging for the fences, too. because this is, again, Marvel would never be able to do this movie 10 years ago

without the success of the Marvel machine. Because this is a very risky movie, not only for the scale of it, not only for the difference in filmmaking, but for the complexity of what it is and how it kind of ties into things. And again, without, you just know from the trailer that here's this group of Eternals who have been around forever

can't really interfere in human beings, lives, but they've been watching over us for a long time. And as far as the who, the why, the when, and all that starts to play. And if you've been watching, like, what if and Loki and all that, like, they're just going for these big moments. And if you've seen the trailers for No Way Home, like, they're going more out there with the multiverse and everything that they've done. So they're, like, this phase of Marvel will lose people.

It'll gain a lot of people, but it'll lose people. Like, I think that when there's going to be a lot of people watching this. movie going to wait what? Who? I think the benefit of it is the 10 years because like the MCU started 13 years ago. People that were 15 that are 28 now. So I think it's smart to let it mature now. I think it's smart to wait the 10 year mark and then let them mature because now we're all at least 10 years older. But like if you're in an age where you're like, oh, Iron Man, you're now probably the late 20s.

So there's also the benefit of like you said, this was really brave. If this was a $2 million art house film with this plot, it would struggle. This is a $200 million art house. film. It's incredible to the Marvel machine is like, hey, we're trusting you enough that you're going to be, because this is so intricate. Her budgets before these two, what does she work with a budget of like

maybe $100,000? You look at those two movies. The horse food budget. Dude, that that rider movie, if it costs... The camera. If it costs $40,000 I'd be surprised, right? And so to go from that with just as intricate of a situation. Yeah, that's a lot of trust. Right. It's a lot of trust. And she

annihilates. And she annihilates. I'm such a massive fan of hers. And what she, what she pulls off and she made a different comic book movie because that's that we were just so used to seeing a lot of the same type of things and comic books are so not comic book movie comics like i love that we have this now because people that don't like comic book movies are always like oh why would you read comic books for a living this shows you how much more it can be and even when you've got like a dark night which really changes it into heat like even that you can still have people that don't like heat or or action movies still be like comics this might bring people to show that comic books are very different. I wonder, though, because, you know, you look at the people who were just, the film critics raving over No Man Land and the rioter, if those people are probably the same adamant people

who probably think Chloe sold out. Right. And the fact that they throw the flag into the ground. Big Marty fans, big Scorsesey fan. Yeah, and they go, we can't see it. We can't do it. I'm curious for people who just like big science fiction, like if you didn't know this was Marvel movie,

and you just, because they don't, like I said, there's a couple tie-ins with the with the MCU and it could go right over you head you wouldn't care. There is one particular scene though without getting into the details of it that I had to for this block everyone out in the theater

because they ask you, they're basically screaming at you, pay attention to every single thing said because if you turn your head for a second you will not know what's going on. They're trusting in you to be smart enough to look in there and say, okay, so that person, that does that

And that and that connect, wait, what? Because there are a couple times. I'm on, wait, wait, wait, what? I need subtitles. And then, and then, it's a math equation. At points. There is. There, like, it's, it is complex.

Yeah. And it is, and for people who are using, continuing to use the word dense. My favorite is some idiot tweeted at me. And it's just like, other people are using the word dense. So you're not the first person to say it.

I'm like, it's been a word in the English. So many years. I made a fantastic four William Shatner joke. And it was like, you stole that joke. And I was like, you mean these four people going to space and blue suits reminds people of, other pop culture events? So, but...

The internet. It's exhausted. It's exhausted. That's why I don't do it. But it's, uh... Here we are. On YouTube. All right.

On the YouTube's. But it, I don't know, man. This was a, this is a very special movie for me. Not only the fact that, like I said, it's the first one I advanced back into. And I, that's, that's why I was nervous too.

I'm like, am I, do I go to a movie that I haven't been to? Do I really want to see this movie? And then I'm, if I, if it's not very good, am I going to be bumed? Have you seen Shang Chi? Not yet. Okay. So, Shang-Chi is, if you've seen Shang-Chi, this will give you some context.

I would say Shang-Chi is about 70% Marvel movie, 30% not. Martial arts, right? It's very martial arts. I would rather have been 70 martial arts. But there's still the tone you've got to exist in. I'd say this is 90-10. Would you agree? Like, this is a 90% not Marvel film.

Yeah. And that's, so what a leap. That's what I like. Because remember everyone left Shang-Chi, like, wow, that didn't even feel like a Marvel movie most of the time. There's still a lot of tonalities. This is 90-10. You can literally, it's Iron Man Big is important. And I made it clear, like I really enjoy watching the Marvel films.

But it was very refreshing to not have a Marvel film. Yeah. Even though it was a Marvel film. You know, like, it was, it was just, I don't know, like, that's why I think that I was so curious about this because of her work, because of the fact it seemed like more of like a kind of science fiction crazy movie. Yeah. That's what I wanted to see. And the way that that played and the way that it sets things up. And like I'm all in.

This phase to me is the phase that I really want. Like parallel universes, multiverse. Like that's all crazy shit. I've been thinking in my head for years or whether it exists, how it exists. So when they start playing into that, I don't know, people keep telling me I need to watch dark. I've never seen dark on Netflix. Have you seen it yet? Yeah.

See, people talk about. That's what everyone's talking about. So I need, I, but. Also do more acid. Right. But playing into this and playing into the mythology and where they go. and then yeah I forget all the names already

what's our boy with the Irish accents? Drewig. What a role. Oh my God. What a role. I love this purpose. I also want to say

that the trailers do an impeccable job of not giving anything away. No. They held this so close to the vest because even just now saying Drewig, I think of him in the trailer like,

beep, beep, and we talk about the plot and it's like, okay, they gave some ideas to bring you into the theater but I didn't know much of the story going into this.

They did a really good job marketing. I think everybody has a lot to do. Yeah. That's hard to do with that. many people. Like, everybody has a lot to do. And then, um, so who plays, so Angelina Jolie is paired up with the dude who can do the power punch. Yeah, Kingo. Uh, you can go. No, that's not Kingo. Kingo is, is, Camille. Oh, not Camille. You're right. You're talking about the, uh, the dude from Traneau Usam. Yes. Uh, his name, I'm going back to, because I want to make sure. He was, because I, at first,

I thought it was, it was so fast. I was like, is that Benadouang Wong? You're like, no, it's a dude from, uh, Gilgamesh. And so Gilgamesh is, um, is also great. He's, um, is also great. Yeah. It's amazing how you're able to pack in in 240 so much purpose with characters. Also, I want to say, and I didn't look up at IMDV until this moment, there are three people uncredited. Yeah. It's only a 20-person cast. Nuts.

How insane is it? I know. In a 17-person cast. And they don't step on each other. I didn't even put that together. I know. But they don't step on each other. At no point watching the movie that I feel like it was spacious.

It felt so much. It did. Wow. Yeah, man. It's going to be. But, but. I am also very aware that when people see this movie, there are going to be a lot of people not feeling this.

A lot of our colleagues are talking to after the film was already, I mean, we were talking to a few people who were just like, yeah, I didn't buy the team together. I didn't buy, I didn't feel like they were the right match. I didn't feel like the casting was right. It blew my mind. Yeah, but I mean, look, but I think that's going to come from some people. I think that why didn't it be so long?

It was a little too convoluted. I can see all those criticisms. I really can. I just, this was just a movie. This movie was made for me, for sure. Like, this is my kind of movie. I'm, I like to think about what religion means to people. So I like movies that are heady.

And I like to think about what abstract concepts are to people. And I think about what multiverses are to people. And I like to think about what it is that makes a hero a hero. If you like to think, this is your jam. Like, this is a thinker. I think that's what it is. You know, it's a fact that, like, I just really like the ideal, The idea of the film, the, like, it's gorgeous.

Yeah. It's really gorgeous. And like, oh, so I guess a criticism, I guess, and maybe it warmed up to it throughout it is that the, so the overall premise of the film is, like, once again, is that the eternals are there and they're protecting. The only time that they can interfere is when the so-and-so's come in. Deviance. The deviance. When the deviants come in. So the deviance, I had an issue with it first because they looked CGI-ish to me.

and I was hoping that she would go more practical effects with them. But as time went on, I think my eyes kind of adjusted to it. Because I'm always, they seemed different, but not really. It is tricky because it's shot on film. And I think it's really hard for our brains to go, like that resolution means digital resolution. It's just a different. It was.

Our brain absorbs differently. That was the only thing as far as the overall look. The deviance to me could have looked a little better. But even they had a purpose. And as an abstract, the deviance look better than most CGI. I think it's just the juxtaposition on film. Because they look good objectively. They look fine.

But with film, you're like, I'm watching a sunset and a vibe. Yes. I think as the movie goes on, I accepted it more and more. When they first showed up, my God, is this going to be like just another kind of brainless monsters, things? And they do more with them than just that. So that was why I was like, okay, they got me. So, I mean, look, there's a lot more that we could talk about.

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I'm happy they're back. I love it. Yeah. I'm a bidet guy. I don't know them, but I'm going to learn. People get, people get, they're like, well, I don't know. I'm so used to people. We're not used to things.

Right. I mean, humans are so habit-forming. Right. We just get stuck in our ways. Make the habit washing your ace. I mean, this movie changes the Marvel universe. Change your butt universe. Change your butt universe.

How well do you think this movie's going to do? Remember, because it's two, it's... One logistically, it's going to be hard to do well because of the length. Because you can only schedule three a day in a house. I know, but there's other movies that, I mean, with Dark Night and... Sure, sure, but if you think about the actual logistics of housing a movie, if a theater's open 12 hours, you get four... You only get so many screens, depending on how many screenings, Disney rents it out. But there's less competition these days and more theaters that you can play it in.

And it's sold out all over. I just looked. That's what I mean. So I think it's going to do well. I think it's going to be a big first weekend. I think it's going to be a decent drop. People are going to be like, Marvel's dead.

And then I think it's going to have legs from week two to three to four. But I think week one to two is going to drop because it's not going to be for everybody. And then I think it's going to be the biggest polarity in Rotten Tomato score for Marvel yet. As far as audience. I think critics are going to like it more than the audience by a lot. Yeah. I think audiences are going to put it in the 40s. Wow.

I want them to put it in the 80s. and I think critics are going to put it in the 80s, maybe the 90s. I wonder. I put it in the 90s. I do, too. I rated it really highly. I don't come out of this movie, though. I know we might differ,

but I don't come out of this movie going, thinking how is everybody not going to love this thing? I understand where people are going to, some people are going to be like, I get it. I don't get it. But I disagree. Yeah. And I'm not saying that if you don't get it, you're stupid,

which is people are going to argue because people are angry all the time. But I am saying that there's something in this for all. Almost everyone, but they might not find it. Like there might be... It's really asking you to... And to be fair, some people just go to the Marvel movies to just slam popcorn in their face, have some fun and move. Like, this is asking you to really put on your thinking cap,

watch everything, you know, pay attention to everything. Yeah, that's why I wrote the math and religion. Like, all the things that make you think, like when you lean back. It does. It does. I thought it was great, man. I really did. But speaking of Dune, moving on to Dune, as I said, by the time this comes out,

I will have seen it. My review is probably up. you saw it last night in real time. What thoughts? It's incredible how much I was putting the two movies we're talking about together.

Yeah, do you feel the same way though? Yeah. People are going to feel like it's either... It's going to be the same audience that loves it? Oh, yeah. Oh, 100%. But it's the same audience

that will have problems with both and it's the same audience that will love both and they're different movies but there's a lot of tonality choices and there's a lot of patience. There's a lot of having you think but I would say Dune is, which is incredible because Eternal's is dense. Dune's denser.

That's what I heard. So Dune is a book. I mean, the books and... I think I'm going to watch it with subtitles. I think that's fair. I think that that's one of the reasons why I like the in-day release. Yeah.

Because there's certain movies I like with subtitles. Movie theaters have subtitles now. AMC just installed a things where you can read it while you're watching. They have a little screen right in front of you. I don't want to do that. That's fair. I'd rather watch it on the actual screen itself because I can still pay it like, To do this?

Well, the big release is opening weekend. They're starting to do one house with subtitles on the screen. Okay. So they're starting to do one house. It depends on a movie. Every movie I don't want that, but a movie like Dune. But Dune might. Yeah, I mean, I know some people watch it the first time and then watch it with subtitles.

I don't have that much time. Yeah, that's five hours of your life. That's a lot. I'm almost six. But I'm looking forward because I planned out. That's why we're taping this today because we'll have this episode up. And I already have Mondays pre-taped. And Steph is going to come over earlier.

so we do the Star Wars rewatch that's probably up already. And you'll have seen Dune by the time we do our spoiler eternals. I will have seen, by the time this comes out, I will already have a review up already. So it'll be great for you and I to,

when we get to the spoiler, have a deep dive. But so, Denny, Del Nive, I'm sure murders it. He's probably my favorite working director next to Fincher and Fincher doesn't put out a lot of, like Fincher takes like five years

between movies. I think most consistent and good, Denny, Blade Runner is impossible. And I think, I would argue Prisoners is maybe the most underrated film of the last 20 years. Wow. Like, Prisoners is, I think it's an A-plus. And I think it's talked about by like seven people. So, I mean, eight underrated.

You're really got to look at it. Yeah. Nobody talks about it now. Right. When it first came out, it was kind of a big talk. But yeah, then it just kind of went under the radar. But there's not a lot of A-plus is to me is. Yeah, is that his.

Arrival. But people talk about arrival. And I just feel like Prisoners is like weirdly an A-plus that everyone's like, yeah. I agree. I'm just saying out of all of them, arrival is my favorite. This is that. Yeah, okay. This is Blade Runner.

This is Arrival. The reason I love Arrival so much is because to me, as I was telling you, like I'm time travel and the way time works and all that. I'm fascinated by it. And I think that's the most accurate description of the way time travel works in my head. Yeah, yeah. In Arrival, the way that they play that and the way that it works. So much even talking about it, I want to see it again.

It's one of my favorite movies, especially for that year. And I like his approach. I don't like the way that he's been going. about with doing getting people in the theater and and and kind of telling people that if you're watching it on HBO Max is wrong and blah blah blah blah like I got a family yeah I mean I'm a theater guy but I don't have a family so I can't speak to your experience yeah I don't know if that he should either it's it's easy it's easy to you know it's easy for a lot of people to get out to the movie theaters and it's not yeah like I had to make I had to make I had to make the move to get to

Eternals and that was the first one that I chose a long time I'm gonna start dipping my toe back in the water and I had an opportunity to see both back to back. Yeah. One on Tuesday, one on Wednesday, but I didn't because, again, it's hard to do with the family. But I really want to see dude. Yeah. I'm very curious about it. So I liked it because I knew nothing about it.

I'd never seen the original and I didn't read the book. But like, so it was really nice for me to be able to enjoy some sci-fi without context. Because I'm always going into these movies like, connect the dots. Right. And it's really a struggle. That's how I went into Eternals. You got to experience.

I get to experience. Which is hard for me because everyone, I know people are going to be wondering what I thought of the connections. And this time I got to be like, yo, I'm just watching a movie. That's cool. And it was really nice

because it deals with concepts that I really love in ways that I hadn't even thought of. So it's kind of cool when you're like, you have a thought experiment and you're like, hey,

and then they do it in an action set piece. And so... Oh, dude. I love them, but a lot of people I know have the problem you have with Gemma Chan. And I don't think that's...

They're not enough to... Just not enough. But I would argue it's because they have so much more time. So who has the most to do? I mean... Moa? I feel like everyone that's supporting is stealing every scene they're in

because if he did that, it would be too big of a movie. I'm pumped to see it. I'm just going to do the same thing I did with the Suicide Squad. And even what I've been doing with the Spider-Man, I'm going to shut the blinds. I'm going to block everything out, probably grab a snack, pump up the surround sound and just watch it here. I think Ferguson and Broler are my MVPs.

Okay. Ferguson is everything she's in. I'm always like enamored by her. And Zendaya is, I don't know how she exists. Like she's such an ethereal like, what are you? And then like, even in Spider-Man, I'm always like, she's just so transfixing. Yeah.

But this movie knows that. So I feel like in the Spider-Man movies, they're like, look, it married MJ. And then like, how was this woodland nymph creature here? And they just ignore it. And then this, they're like, we found a wooden nymph creature. So I really enjoyed them leaning into how I see her.

Yeah. And then the movie itself, I, spoiler alert, psychedelic advocate, there's this thing called Spice, which is. That's in the trail. Yeah, I'm not giving it. anything away. The spice is a multi-function thing that makes me feel like it's a very

pro my experience of certain things movie, and that's such a foundational thing. It's really cool to see in a sci-fi movie, then make that distinction. Yeah. So then it gets into politics, then it gets into religion, then it gets into all sorts of giant hierarchies of power. So you gotta think again. I like it. Tribalism. I dig it. It's everything. It's also like

colonization commentary, but on a scale that makes America look, it's so cool to look at us from a lens that isn't an American lens, and this movie is very much not the American take in colonization. I'm so bizarre. It's so bizarre to think that right now, there's a review up already of Dune for me. As I talk about it, as I haven't seen it yet, where I either really liked it or I hated it. Arrival.

Right. You're having time. It is. It's so curious. So what did I think of it guys? Yeah, I'm really curious what you thought of it. So if you're watching this show right now, what did I think of it? Did I like it?

Leave a comment below with Christian's thoughts from the future. Tell me from the future. You were able to see in the future if you were able to see in the future if you watched my Dune review, put it in the live chat if you're watching this on Premiere or in the comments and tell me, did I like it? Should I be excited for it? Because that's going to be, that's going to be blast. I'm looking forward to doing that. I took the morning off to make sure that I can watch that movie so I could put the review out. My Eternal's review will be out on Sunday. Well, that's also already out. Proceeding this. All right. So you've already seen that.

And then our spoiler review will come out. I think that we'll probably put it out the weekend. and the movie comes out this Friday. So, maybe it's Saturday or Sunday, we'll put it up. Yeah, I'd give, we'll give a lot of warnings

and we'll probably save some of the later stuff for the later review. Yeah, I'll probably put it on Sunday and put like a big spoiler warning on it that just says it's a spoiler review. I think that's fair.

Only check it out. Have you seen the movie? Because it's gonna have a big enough opening weekend that people will be checking out. And I think Sunday's fair for the people that want to watch it, they'll have seen it.

Yeah, we've seen it. And if you haven't, don't click on it. There you go. Come back later. That's it. So you got Dune, you got Eternals coming out. So the big movies are hitting.

And what, when we got, you saw Ghostbusters? Yeah, man. Ghostbusters, too. Are you allowed to talk about that? Is it still Embargo? I can give the Vegas thoughts. I can give social media science thoughts. The movies out until mid-November.

So I would imagine, yeah, dude. Oh, wow. I saw it still out of, but I can social media thought tell you that it is probably my favorite of the retro rebuilds. Yeah. Because, like, they do them so well in a way that's like tongue and cheek. This is the heart of Ghostbusters. It connects to the first two.

And it doesn't do it in a way that's like, love us. It doesn't a way that's like, hey, do you remember why you loved us? We're going to make that movie. Like, this feels like an 80s film. Original theme? Yeah. And it also, I mean, Ivan Reitman, so I can say about the experience because that they've aired. Jason directed it, his son, Ivan Reitman's son.

But Ivan Reitman's chair was connected to director's chair. So they were literally side by side the whole time. So Jason directed it, but if... His dad was there helping out. Literally, I got a shoulder. So it was really cool. The cast is really darling. I ended up covering it for Sony

at New York Comic-Con, so I got to meet the whole cast. Oh, that's cool. I got to be the first civilian to thank Jason and Ivan Raymond. That's great. Just as a Ghostbusters fan, I got to,

I didn't really like... Did you moderate the panel? So I went to cover the boys panel and then I knew a couple Sony people like, hey, you should stay around of Ghostbusters and I was like, ah, and they were like, you just stay around Ghostbusters.

Okay, so I took their advice and then I ended up doing all the social media for New York Comic-com with Strawha Goofy. So I ended up covering it with... That's great, dude. But I walked off to the right while the credits were rolling to ask them about socials, what they wanted to cover. And then Jason and Ivan to my left, they would have been watching the crowd through like a little window.

So I got to be like, you guys just blah, blah, blah, blah. It literally is what I always wanted lethal weapon five to be, which is a continuing, not a look at this. Yeah, and I feel like they keep remaking. I think that trend is starting to go. Me too. I think, I mean, you look at Matrix, right? What was the other? Even this stupid Home Alone movie.

Still continuation. It's a continuation. It's not a remake. People think that it was a remake. It wasn't. I think it looks terrible. Yeah. But I'd rather them go continuing the story because Buzz McAllister shows up in the trailer.

Yeah. He's as a cop now. And this isn't as linear as that, to be fair. But it's the heart that's continuing on in a way that is important. It's fine. But it's not a remake. Right. And that's the problem that a lot of these movies had.

They were trying to remake stuff. You don't need to remake it. Tell it like, I keep, and I, every time this conversation comes up, I keep bringing it up and I'm going to continue to. for the longest time, and I think people are coming away from it, it was so taboo to even mention doing another Back to the Future. Yeah. Right?

You can, what if somebody, not Tom Holland now, because it's always Tom Holland, but imagine someone like Tom Holland who finds the Delorean. Right. And a certain time, period in time, and then has to go back to 1992. Wherever he goes. Because that would be 30 years ago, which haunts me.

Crazy. But wherever he goes, but like, you can do another back to the future. Yeah. without Michael J. Fox. You can do it. Don't make the person Marty. Don't make a new doc. That's what they keep doing.

That's what they had been doing. Yeah. Which doesn't work. I think they're going away from that. I think that because there's still this thing now. Every time a movie comes out inside of the franchise, they're like, oh, why are they making it? They're not. They're doing continuation.

Yeah. You know, they're doing a different. That's working more. I love what JJ did. And I was surprised more didn't do it the prequel sequel sequel reboot. Like what he did with Star Trek? Oh, right. That first Star Trek was all of it.

They managed to do. two, and that's the multiversal stuff we love. It's so funny with that one, because I've never been a Star Trek fan. Yeah. So I don't care if they move things around. Fair. But to Star Trek hardcore, like, Star Trek hardcore,

like Robert Robert My Burnett was like, you know, he's like a hardcore. He doesn't want, he wants nothing to do with changes and stuff too. And there's a lot of people that are like that. Yeah, and I get that. And I respect that. But I like when they, I like when they change it up. I like when they switch things around.

And I think that, I think that for Ghostbusters, That's why I thought With the one that with the Paul Figue one that they made with the ladies To me it had nothing to do with the fact that they were ladies Like those are all talented talented women Impossibly It should have been connected to the overall story

And it didn't feel like a ghostbusters movie My issue it felt like a Paul Figue film Which is great I like his movies But they're not Ghostbusters movies And the way that you're playing off The opening trailer seems like it was connecting And it has nothing to do with it

Like that's That's hard to do when you're when you're talking about an IP, because that one was remaking and doing this thing. And it was, it doesn't matter if it was for women, for men, in that particular thing, the way that that was set up, it was a, my opinion, bad approach on how to do it. Yeah.

Nothing against all of those performers. Sure, the people talented. All of them. All of them. But it just, the movie itself just didn't hit for me. And I love Paul Feig. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like it just felt like one of his films,

not like a ghostbuster film. Yeah, just so. This feels like an Ivan Reitman film. That's cool. And I really like that, Jason Reitman, like he always said he'd never make a Ghostbusters film. This idea was good enough that it made him make this happen. Yeah.

So there's a, so look at it. We card Dune, Ghostbusters, and obviously Eternals. And then, yeah, you got Matrix coming out, which is going to be massive. I'm excited for Red Notice. That comes out soon. That trailer is dropped too, right? So what did you think about? I know that we, I think we briefly talked about it on our Spider-Man thing,

and it's been out now for the public for probably a couple days, the uncharted trailer. I liked it, but I expected a Mark Wahlberg movie, and I feel like a lot of people didn't. So I feel like the thing I got out of it was like, okay, Mark Wahlberg's in it. It's kind of the thing they do with him. He's just playing Mark Wahlberg. Yeah. It's just like, I mean, that's, that was the most disappointing part of the trailer for me.

It was when he was cast, and I like Mark Wahlberg, but when that was cast, I said, he doesn't fit Sully. Did you play the game? Casually. I haven't beaten it, but I've casually. I'm aware of it. So he doesn't fit Sullivan at all. No. Someone who had said it.

I think Malcolm said it on Essien live. The way that Bruce Campbell was in Byrne notice, that's Sully. Yeah, I like that a lot. That's Sully. But, I mean, since I expected it two years ago, I didn't, the trailer's what I expected. You know what I mean? I've had two years to buffer. Yeah, people have more of a problem with Tom Holland as Nathan Drake than I do.

I don't have a problem. It's a prequel series. He's younger. He's witty and stuff. I don't have a problem with him. I think it's just because he's so connected to Spider-Man now that people just see Spider-Man. And that's fair, but I don't have a problem with him. And it's not even necessarily

I have a problem with Walberg But I have to be able to tell myself Do not expect the Sully that you know from the games That's exactly how the trailer felt And to me like I mean I grew up 20 inches from his neighborhood So there's a Boston bias But I know Mark Wahlberg movies are a thing I like I just have to accept that before I go buy an uncharted ticket

So I don't know if I'm ever going to get an uncharted movie That feels like the game to me No But him jumping on those boxes Awesome that reminded me the game Sure I think that's the Venn diagram we're going to get Because we have to accept both things. The mission itself looked like the game.

It felt like the game. It just felt like a different character was helping him through it with Sully. It's like, that was just, it was legit. Just every character Mark Wahlberg has ever played. Yeah. That it wasn't solved. You just have to accept it's Mark Wahlberg's unturned. That's what you have to do.

It's him in the video game. Yeah. Hey, Mark Wahlberg's here to guide you through kid. Like, it's not Sully. No. And I think that that's the, that is an easier said than done thing of asking video game fans to forgive that. Yeah. Because for me, like I said, I love the game.

I love all the games. But I'm not as attached to it as I'm not a hardcore gamer. Never have been. Just a lot of time. Did you see the ambulance trailer? No, I know that came out too. Yeah. Who is that?

It's Jake Shelton, yeah, yeah. And a Michael Bay joint. Oh, okay. So it's literally insane. I always get upset when I hear Michael Bay made another movie. Dude, it's his like, it looks more like his pain and gain and his 13 hours and like the rock than his Transformers Pearl Harbor. If that helps. Which helps me.

It does where I'm not a big pain and gain fan. Okay. But I understand the point. Sure. It's success for excess. My reason for pain and gain is that I think that he... He turned that movie. The movie is a full-on...

Like, there was kind of tragic thing that really happened. And he made it a joke. Yeah, that's hard. I get that. But the movie itself is... To your point, it's a better well-made film, the same way, 13 hours is. Right. It's using his strengths instead of distracting from them.

I always feel like Michael Bay is... told to be over there and like, why don't you just let him be? And then painting game was that. Right. This looks like that. This is like, what if there's a heist and they steal an ambulance? Like, that's a Michael Bay plot. So I dug it, and Jake John looks like the bad guy. Which is a nice turn. Like, I'm

excited to see that. He looks like that local scumbag. Like that guy everyone knows that no one deals with. Nightcrawler, though. Dude. Well, that's like a villain. This feels like a scumbag. Okay. So like, it's cool to see him as that. Oh, man, Mike calls are the best performances of all time. Chipped. That is one of the great Oscar snubs. Ever. Not even nominated. Yeah. That and prisoners are

Like what a year he had. Right. But not even nominated for that movie for that. Disgusting. It's crazy. Yeah. Can you bring up, do you mind bring up? Who was nominated?

That year? Yeah. Because I, from what I remember, I remember that everyone that was nominated, I'm like, yeah, they're all really good, but like somebody could have probably gotten the boot over him. For him. Yeah. Because he was, he was so good in that. So it came out in 2014.

Would that be the 2015 Oscars? Yeah. When the 2015 Oscars aired, it would be for 2014. So I look up 2014. 2015 Oscar nominees. I mean, yeah, I guess. That's what I'm wondering. Because of February 2015 movie come out in 2014.

That'd be right. Yeah. Okay, so best actor, Eddie Redmayne, who won. Michael Keaton for Birdman, Bennett Cumberbatch for imitation game. Bradley Cooper for sniper, Steve Carell for Foxcatcher. See, Steve Carell.

I'm booted Carell. I'm sorry. I would have put in Steve Carell as supporting actor. Yeah. I wouldn't have put him as lead actor. Because he's got like 30 minutes of screen time. But he's not the lead. Right, it's Channing Tand's lead.

And Ruffalo. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I move... I would have put him into supporting. I think because they, because he, I think either Ruffalo or Tatum was nominated also. That's the probably, but I would have taken those guys out.

Are we, we're positive that was the same year. What year did Foxxia come out? Let me look that out. Because that should be... That'll tell us that context. That'll tell us the context of it. 2014, so that's the right year. So yeah, I move, I move Correll to sporting.

Because, I mean, Jalenhall and that is one of the great performances. And who, and so Eddie Raymond, Eddie Raymond was really good in that movie, though. Yeah. That's actually more stacked year than I remember. Because I remember just being upset. I didn't remember the competition. I just remember, yeah.

And even Correll was great in that role, but it just, to me, that's not a, that's not a lead role. And Nightcrawler, he's like 80% of that movie, maybe 90. He's the, he's the movie. But even screen time. Like, it's, it's on Renee Russo occasionally and stuff. But it's a, it's a Jillyn Hall. It is character study.

It's Jill and Hill Hill joint. And him is the villain. It looks fun. And then Yaya Abdul Mateen, I would argue, is one of the most consistent resumes in town. Yeah. Like between the drama of, I mean, no, it's the watchman guy. Wait, don't know.

I think you know. He's Dr. Manhattan. I haven't seen, I haven't seen, have you seen, um, who am I thinking of in, in, have you seen Aquaman? Yes. Black Manta. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but he's also, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's also, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's, he's, he's, wanting to, he's, just checking everything off, totally, and now he's doing a Michael Bay film, so I'm, like, oh, this guy's team, his agents are genius, they're like, what if you do every kind of movie and team up with Jake Gyllen off Michael back. It's amazing how, like, people don't understand the behind the scenes of it all, how important

having the right team of agents and everything is because I always bring up like Zach Ephron, right? Yeah. Whoever Zach Efron's agents were, I don't know if he still has the same, they were doing him wrong for a long time. He's talented. So talented. He's just done some...

Yeah. He's my human torch man. Yeah. Because he's helping the planet and he's like, looks like he does. He's got arrogance, but he's a nice guy. What do you think is going on fantastic for? Bringing that up. I think it's coming.

I think it's, uh, So we're in 2020, 2021. When do you think we see a Fantastic 4 film? 2024. Wow. That's soon? Yeah. Late,

I would put at Christmas, 2024, and I would make that the marketing. So you think Disney Plus they announced, because you know, Disney Plus has that announcement meeting? Not this year, next year.

I think they're filming it in secret. Really? So you think they're going to announce within a year that the movie's coming out? They never do that. They usually, it always, I think X-Men and Fantastic Four are going to be like,

hey, by the way, like, I think it's going to be way more of a mic drop. So I think we get a Fantastic 4 movie. I think it's 2025. Okay. We've already got Kang, which makes me think it's sooner. Because Kang is his grandfather, or depending on the continuity, his father.

Yeah, didn't. And did they set it up anywhere? It looked like they were kind of setting up in Wanavision, but they didn't. Right. So I feel like Fantastic Four is going to be sooner. And I also feel like we're going to get a little distance between the X-Men, but I feel like the X-Men are going to be cast in secret. And then we're going to get like a big, I think they're waiting for a Hall-Each moment

where they bring out the entire Fantastic Four and then the entire X-Men. and it's going to... And it's going to be one of those like Avengers assemble moments where they're going to have it done and then they're going to be like, by the way, it comes out in this year. It's interesting.

So there's so much coming out. I think 2024 was their goal might have shifted because of COVID because the stack of movies just moved. But I think from the beginning, every time they showed that four in phase four, which is the fantastic four, I was like, oh, Kevin Faggy's going to be that guy

that's like comes out, 2024, phase four. I think that was the goal might have moved, but that's what I would have done. Yeah, because he's a big fantastic four guys. Yeah. And he's a big, like enjoys the symmetry of numbers thing.

They moved, I told you the June 16th thing, right? Loki, you've seen Loki. You know when the multiverse kicks off? Yeah. That episode aired on June 16th. They moved it from Fridays to Wednesday, remember? Sure. The other shows were on Friday.

They moved it to Wednesday. Loki was on Wednesday, June 16th. That is 616. The regular Marvel Cinematic Universe that launches the multiverse is the 616 universe. Oh, is there? Oh, okay. Come on. They literally moved the date to give Kevin Feigian Easter egg.

So I guess. guarantee if he can do 2024, he's going to make it happen. Okay. That makes sense. That's a lot. See, like that's,

that's more dense than internals. That whole, that whole thing that you just said was more dense than the entire internals. Yeah, so if you guys track that, the turtles is for you. But yeah,

so there's a lot going on in both. And then we didn't really talk about it much. I thought DC fandom was great. I loved it. Dude, the Batman trailer. I cannot stop thinking about it. It's my phone background.

It was incredible. I can't stop. Yeah, it was great. So, so it was funny because I saw all these, and I talked about it in my, in the episode, I think, with Steph

and we talked about it, but like, I thought it was so silly. There were people who were talking about how they thought that the event itself wasn't good. It was a Comic-Con. It was a Comic-Con. It was it walking into an event and saying, okay, well, they're talking about comic books.

I don't necessarily like that, so I'm going to wait until, like, the movie panel, and I'll do that. And it was during a plague. Like, at the end of the day, these movies have all been delayed. At the end of the day, they've had to, like, so when people were like,

it didn't give us enough new stuff. I'm like, you know the people that, three-quarter million people have been not making movies because they died. Like, it's been a tricky time. And I thought they leveled up beautifully. I thought it was good. I still think that I understand why because of the international audience.

I think Tiffany Smith should just hosted the whole thing. Yeah. And it has nothing to do with bias. It was just the fact that I think that one particular host, and she's so welcoming and everything too. And I just think that that would have served a little better. I thought some of the jokes were cheesy, some of the things missed. But that happens in every panel. Like, how many panels have we seen for people talking about?

This is another 40 minutes, and I've got to wait for that to get my seat. Yeah, no, this didn't have any of that to me. Well, I mean, it did some of it, but Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman panel was great, the 80 years thing, and the trailers that they show. I would have, you know, it would have been nice to seem, to seem some kind of trailer with Aquaman, because if they could put together.

The behind-scenes stuff was pretty, it was cool, but I mean, they started filming in July. When did they start filming Flash? Flash wrapped the day after fandom. Oh, it wrapped, though. So that movie was more done. So at least they had some, yeah, but I just, I always remember when Guardians of Galaxy,

the first, movie came out. They were filming for two weeks. Yeah, that was nuts. They flew him in and they flew them back. But they put together a, it was like a full-on trailer. James Gunn's like a different kind of genius. But like they could have done that. I feel like James Wan is a more ponderous director than people giving credit for. And I feel like James got more of a music video. Yeah, but you could have done a minute, a minute and 30 of the footage. If you had a that, if you gave us some footage, it was more, but it was still behind the same thing with Shazam. I think that, because if you could put in a, like, a minute and 30 on this two, that's a, that's a, you know, that's a,

That's the only thing for those two that I would like to see a little bit more. Behind the scene stuff was cool. They clearly have a good vision of it. Black Adam did start. Black Adam just started filming. Yeah. And they had a scene. Yeah.

And they showed a scene. Like that's what I meant. Like that Black Adam scene is for it. I would prefer a scene than a trailer only because of how far until they're done. Sure. Because if it were waiting two years, I don't want to know too much. A scene though, like Black Adam, Black Adam did it perfect. Yes.

And Black Adam, that reminded me of Terminator 1. Yeah. The way shows up. Stunning. All of it. So that's the kind of stuff that I want to see more of. Yeah. But I thought it was a good event.

I liked it. And it did make me say, okay, well, what's, I don't do the Red Sox Yankee thing for DC and Marvel. I watch them as a fan on both. So it's more about like, oh, what's Disney going to do now? It's like, no, more than I want to see what kind of stuff do they have. What's the property? It was more invested in the individual properties even than the unit. It's just Marvel happens to put out more.

People are always like you're a Marvel guy. I'm like, they've made more for longer and they put out five times more a year so far. DC's starting to catch up. So you'll hear more about DC for me. My background is not Marvel. When I get that sometimes too, I'm like, I'm like, but guys,

I know, I know shit about equal. Yeah. I asked Koi, 75 questions of internals. Like throughout it. What does this mean? This means this.

Who is that? That's, that's it. And I'm not, I don't pretend that I know about all this stuff. I go in as a fan of movies to watch these things. And for me, like the Star Wars is.

Yeah. And I would have been doing the same with you. If we saw Star Wars, I'd be like, what's that mean? What's that? Right. Right.

And so for me, the Disney plus event, as cool as the Marvel announcements and all that stuff will be. and whatever trailers that they show. I'm hoping and crossing my finger. We're going to see a Bobafet trailer. That I know we're going to say. I think we're getting a minute, Obi-1.

I hope so. I think we'll get a little bit. That's what, because they're pretty deep into filming. So that would be nice to see that trailer. That will steal the internet of the day if they release that. We're not going to see anything I acolyte yet because I don't think they started. We could see something from Andor. Sure.

Because Andor started filming already. And we still don't know what comes out first, Andor or Obi-1. So that hasn't really been confirmed So I think you'll see trailers on at least You'll definitely see Boba Fed Yeah You'll get news on on Mandalorian Because I think the Carl Weathers said they just started filming

Yeah I think we'll get a little taste I'm not sure but I think we're getting a little bit Black Panther footage For whatever reason I just have an instinct about it I think about all those Marvel pushes by the way I mean I my biggest thing was I understood why they do it I think they got the hell out of the way of the Batman For Dr. Strange

I think it's because the events that Dr. Strange needs to cover are bigger than they had anticipated the reaction being to. I think it's actually a positive versus, I think inherently by saying run from Batman, it implies a negative. I think they just want to be able to make something

that doesn't feel like they squished it. Because Dr. Strange, if you think about it has to be the ending of Wanda Vision, the ending of Loki, the ending of, like it's so many things. I feel like if the movie isn't an Avengers level bow, they should have moved it. And I think it's what they did.

The problem is you move the most... You got to shift everything else. Yeah, it's a cascade. I just... None of the movies took a big hit except Indiana Jones. Yeah. A year. And I think that was also his injury.

It was his injury, too, from what they were saying. I think it's a combination of really states. And they're probably like, hey, this is probably a good thing for us because he's injured. We need to move things around anyway. Dude, 70-something. It's going to be like 81, man. Oh, Jesus. Is he 80?

I'm pretty sure he's like, I think he's like 81. Oh, my God. I think. Hold on Harrison full. Well, at least when the movie comes out, he'll be 81 because that's next year. But not next year. He's 79 right now. You're right.

So he'll be 81 because it comes out two years. Damn. I'm done two years. Sprite, though. Spry. Matt, I meant that Ford Ferrari thing. Lovely guy.

Impossibly kind. He was, he was really nice. I got to talk to him for the Force Awakens, and I remember just, he had mentioned something about the Falcon, and I was just like,

oh. He gave me one of my best hosting advice. Oh, yeah? I was, I thanked him for how he treats journalist, and I was like, you don't let people, like, run you around,

you, like, give integrity. And he stopped, and he's like, I got one rule. If there's dead air, it's theirs. And I was like, it rhymes, and it hit me.

And I got the point. And I'm like, yeah, if it's the host job to make sure there's never a moment that makes the talent look bad. It's on you. If there's dead air, it's theirs. And I've remembered that forever and I got the point. He was great. I felt the power. Yeah.

Well, he's powerful. I just hope. I mean, that's another one where how they're going to play with that. But it's so bizarre for me to say, because I love Spielberg. It's one of my favorites of all time. I think it makes more sense to give that property to Mangold than it does have Spielberg do it. I think so. I think he's too tied to it.

Yeah. I think, I think, Harrison is tied to the character. I think he's tied to the movies. Yeah. I think like in a negative way. Yeah. But look, this is a fun conversation.

We ain't done with Eternals yet, man. We got a lot of Eternals to talk about because we have that spoiler review. Yeah. We'll be doing that. Again, the movie comes out this Friday. Coy and I will be, will most likely drop the spoiler review on Sunday. So that way you guys can check it out. See, I mean, it's a possibility that we just drop it again on the Monday and that be the episode.

We'll figure it out when we shoot the damn thing. We haven't done it yet. He's going to go see it again. Yeah. And then we'll talk about it for sure. But thank you guys. IMAX. Recommend IMAX.

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