The Kristian Harloff Show - EXCLUSIVE! Natalie Portman CLOSE TO RETURNING to Star Wars!

Episode Date: January 20, 2025

Welcome to this episode of The Kristian Harloff show, Today Kristian and John Rocha discuss the news of a character that Lucasfilm is trying to get back to Star Wars. It is a good one! Hugh Jackman could wind up polaying Wolverine even longer than we thought! The Brutalist used AI, will that hurt it at the Oscars? TikTOk ban,Comanders in and more on this episode. Enjoy! #starwars #tiktok #casting #movies #wolverine #mcu  OUR SPONSORS:  PROLON: Prolon is offering The Big Thing listeners FIFTEEN PERCENT off their 5-day nutrition program for your post-holiday glow-up when you go to http://www.ProlonLife.com/BIGTHING THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY BETTERHELP: Visit http://www.BetterHelp.com/BIGTHING today to get 10% off your first month

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the office but i did it yet we're doing an early show and all the praise goes to me no i'm just kidding i i will say that the praise today goes to john roka he um so the reason one of the a lot of different reasons to do the show early today and um i'm sure we've been shooting the marvel reactions and i needed to get sam in here to watch civil war the only time she had was around the time we do the live show. So I reached out to John and I said, look, what's the earliest you can do? He said, what's the latest you can do? So, and then I told him what I needed to get done.

And he was very gracious with his time. He woke up early. And there we go. So we're going to do a lot of different things. I had heard some news. And it's very interesting indeed that Lucasfilm wants somebody to come back. and have been in talks and if this character comes back,

I think people will be, I think they'll be excited, to be honest. So we'll discuss that and more. Wolverine, talking about a character that's been around for a bit. Wolverine, Hugh Jackman,

apparently he's going to be playing the character, literally until he's like 100 years old. And then box office stuff, John's got a big win with his commanders, and TikTok. It's gone. it's back, it's gone, where is it? We're going to discuss that and more.

So, one of the things that John has been texting me about is, of course, that the two-man team is unfair against his single ass. So show him today that he can beat Winston and Coy. Let's do it. All right, I know it's early, so thanks for being with me here today. It is the Christian Harlov show, John Roker, myself. Let's do it.

Welcome back. one and all to the Christian Oliver show Apple Podcasts, Spotify, anywhere podcasts are found. Joining me on the show today right out of bed. John Roker. I know, I know. Me, me, me, me, me, me. Yeah.

Thank you for being here, right. It's quite all right. Yeah, it's like I was, we're just, we're on a roll with these MCU reactions right now. People are really digging. And I wanted to make sure that I had, I had it out because we were putting out Ant Man today. Nice.

And then we have a few others that are out there that I think that people are going to dig with Civil War and all this other stuff. Because Sam still hasn't seen a lot of this stuff. Hasn't seen any MCU. So we're pumped about it. Right on, man. No, no, that's good. Knock it out. Have fun with it.

No, big deal. I mean, you know, let me tell you something. People, when you get up in age, getting up earlier is a bit of a drag. But you can make it happen. You just have to go to bed at 9 or 10 o'clock in the night, which is a very strange thing for me. when you know it's coming it's true it's because you know the thing is look last night i went to bed early enough and i told my wife i said i got to be out of the house at like in 830 get here at 845 so i can set things up right well i didn't take into um account the the snow you know we had like

three to five inches of snow last night and i'm like i'll just clean the shit in the morning out there scraping both cars shoveling the snow doing all this shit and i'm like oh man i had to let my car run let me sure melted all this stuff i'm like oh i forgot this is how this works so people are like did he put the right time someone tweet him and let him know he put the wrong time on the show like no it's it's no right time and we were we're aware that the not everybody was going everybody's probably sleeping still but hopefully with the story that we break um people will come back and and and visit it and check it out so should we talk about that story right sure if you want yeah i think you're going to like i think you're like winning a game oh you let's talk about that

first you're right you're right we should talk about that first you had a great saturday night you and ellis both and like i said ellis wrote some tweet on saturday night um at going into the game and i just sent a gif of adrian in the hospital bed saying win right and um so that's exactly what happened you got you know i told ellis this because i called them on i called them and we were talking about the game and i said you know i was at one point i'm like oh let me check in on the game because i was watching We were watching other stuff with the kids, but I was checking in. And I'm like, oh, let me see how they're doing. Hopefully they're in range.

And it was the third, and you've beaten the snot out of them by the third. And then I'm like, well, but I tell you this, I had a dream that you guys lost in sudden death. Oh, overtime, whatever, sudden death. And then I woke up the next morning and saw that you won significantly. So you must have been on cloud. Yeah, I mean, because nobody expected us to win. I mean, almost all the prognosticators were like, no, no, the Lions are going to get this thing. The dream is fine.

You know, the rookie quarterback getting him this far is amazing and that's enough. But man, we played lights out football. No turnovers, only one punt the whole game. And we were able to stay on the field for long drives and really weaken that defense, which, of course, was missing a lot of their starters through injuries over the year. So, you know, credit to the Lions for fighting. But, I mean, I can't believe the ride we're on. And now we go into Philadelphia. and that's going to be a very, very, very tough game because that's a strong team that's going to snow.

Sure. It's old school East Coast, you know, knockdown, drag out, fight. Is it going to snow next week? Yeah, it's the same is the chance of snow. That's tough. That's tough. But, but East Coast team. I know.

That's what I'm saying. The commanders have a better chance than like the Rams. The Rams are too busy sunbathing. Yeah, they struggled. Yeah, but a great. The lions were a shoe and you even, you didn't say, no, I know, I know. Yeah. No, I know.

Everybody. Everybody. Nobody. So you get, there's a good shot. Look, this is one like that I'm definitely rooting for you. I was rude. I've been rude. I'm saying, because it's really because you and Ellis that I was like, you know,

I want to, in the same way that rooker that a rooker, the Ellis was when they were playing the Patriots and the Giants, when the Giants were playing the Patriots. Like Ellis was was on my side kind of pushing it because you guys were so out of it at that point. It's like, I don't hate the commands. I hate the Cowboys. I hate the Eagles. So, get him a win.

Yeah. One with the little guy. Come on. I cheered for you guys against the Patriots as well, the 18 and one season. I was absolutely in the Eli Manning camp that whole season. So yeah, for sure. Well, see what happens. Well, congratulations.

That's a big win. Huge rules. And then you weren't effective by the TikTok thing at all, right? Oh, my God. What a dumb sham. What a stunt. What an incredible stunt. It's down.

It's back up a few hours later. Oh, I knew they were bringing it up. They knew they were going to do that. But yeah. But either way, it's back for now. My daughter, so funny. My daughter, we don't, she doesn't have social media accounts. However, she uses Capcut because cap cut, as many people do for shorts and stuff.

She uses it for like, she has like this, this stuff that she's into these comic books and other things that she likes. And she makes like these little fan edits of them and she uses Capcut. So she was not happy when Capcut went down. She was on so, and so was Luke. Luke was also bummed about Capcom going down. But it looks like that's coming back up. it's it's on if you have if you have like laptop or if you had it on your laptop or has on the phone it's not back yet but i think it will be so yeah yeah either way um all right john let's get into

this story man because okay so this is what i was hearing um we know that there that lucas film making some moves and trying to do um some you know some get some fan there's people fans happy yeah right and there's always mention of who's coming back who can come back who can come back, which characters could come back and that and more. So I, I got word that, uh, that Filoni's really trying hard to get this one character back. And it looks like it's close, you know, anything obviously can happen. Um, it's so funny because attack Peter and I were just joking about this. Like anything can happen. But I don't think that, I don't think it's a signed deal yet, but it's close. And it looks like in Asoka. Yes. Returning.

could be one Natalie Portman. Whoa! That's what they're saying. That's what they're saying. They're saying that it'd probably be a world between worlds type thing, you know, which if you think about it makes sense. Right.

With the Ewan McGregor of it all and the young Asoka, they probably do like a world between worlds thing. And it makes sense that he would want her. And from what I'm hearing, open to it. I don't know if it's a signed deal yet, but I think that it's pretty close. But, you know, Natalie Portman, she could say, well, I'm shooting something.

with Julian Moore next week. I can't do it. I feel like she always does movies with Julian Moore. Yeah. But either way, because I remember her being on Josh Harwood's the show and she said that she'd be open for it. Yeah, there's enough time has passed. Yeah. Where the bad feelings have moved on and she's able to look at it differently now and she's older and, you know, she was a young actress back then.

And so all of that. But I think the other side of this thing that I think is really interesting is it ties into what we saw what in, uh, it was a Tales of the, Jedi. Remember when Asoka is at her funeral and they kind of made that canon that she was at her funeral, although no one saw her because she was sneaking around, but she was clearly devastated by Padme's death. And I think bail, her and bail meet up secretly around the funeral. If I remember that little short correctly. So the fact that they're making that Canada, I think is an interesting place to start. And then how is that going to work there when they see each other in the world?

than worlds you know yeah i think that's but but i think that she'll be i think that if they do it because there's those rumors and this i don't know but i'm just saying if i was to if this story broke somewhere else and i was speculating on it um i would say that it makes sense that they're because remember they're bringing arana greenblatt back they're bringing back ewan and hayden that's probably if i'm going to guess that's probably how this world because oh wow that i mean yeah because remember those that was the one that we had heard beforehand too and then Hayden and Natalie, I know they, I mean, I think they dated at one point, but I think that they have a good relationship now. And having her, maybe he made the call, I don't know, but either way

you see, I think that that's where all that would set up and like another, because that's the episode for me. I didn't necessarily love Asoka season one, but that episode, like seeing the Asoka in the Clone Wars that we knew, the younger version of her just kicking ass, and then the relationship between the two of them and seeing, uh, we never really saw. that the version of Anakin that we saw in that episode was like that was like that's what we wanted to see Hayden play so we never got to see that version interact with Padmay without like the kind of whining thing and maybe that's kind of the redo that they'll try to do but yeah she's got to sign on for it and I think like I said I think they're close yeah it would be nice closure

right because of where we left them on Mustafa and him choking or out and stuff like okay where are we going to go how are we going to have a little bit of closure maybe you bring them back kind of like what happened with Andrew Garfield's character in uh was in No Way Home the last Spider-Man movie where he saves MJ to kind of make up for not being able to save Gwen like there's a way where you can bring them both back and then maybe some closure about that relationship and about what happened there with all three of them with you and natalie and hayden I think that'd be so much fun to see if they make it work organically and if it makes sense right because what was great about the hayden stuff was that it made sense and it worked and I agree with you

that's my favorite episode of the season was that episode there with them because you're getting closure and not everyone gets closure and it's nice to see it that you can have fantasy closure in these type of movies or series so i'm down man i love this idea and it's also the question of how are they going to use the world with two worlds because in yeah you know it's weird because they're still they'll explain it a little bit more because at the end of isoka season one you see hayden there so clearly the stuff that she went through on that planet was real and it turned out to bring him back in the force coast way and and and how it played you into rebels i thought was interesting was like the first time travel i that we really got people it's not time travel it's clearly time travel she's in she's in i people like that's not time travel if you listen to felonius i don't care what phloony says that's time yeah he's she's sitting there in one aspect in time she gets reached through a through a portal through time it's it's time travel uh so either way i wonder how they're going to use that and how they're going to if they're if they do it at all, or it's just more like those kind of visions thing. But I don't think it's a massive thing.

I think it's just going to be like, oh, that's cool if they were able to get her back for one, even if it's like a five second scene. I don't know. It could be way longer than it. It could be a 10 minutes scene. It could be a full episode. I don't know. But I just know that from what I know is that, rightfully so, he's very interested in bringing her back.

And as you say, I think it brings closure to the whole thing. And I think people would be pumped to see her back. But the question again is that You know they were playing at the time They were like what 19, 20 years old Yeah, there we young And I think that they they deaged They deaged they didn't deage

They deaged Hayden for Asoka And it looked really good. Yes Did not age him for Obi-Wan and it did not look It did not look good but he just used to tell that he's you know He looks good but he's 40 something years old It's kept himself in good place. Yeah. Yeah.

And Natalie Portman is stunning, no matter what. But, you know, it is still, you can still tell. It's been 20-some odd years. So I wonder if they're going to do that or they're just going to go, you don't care, we don't care. It was so fair. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Yeah, I agree. I'm more worried. I want to ask you, do you think that this is in danger of abusing the world within worlds? Because remember when it was first introduced, a lot of people, Star Wars fans loved it, but then right after there was this thing of like, oh, no, are they going to use this as a way of fixing issues with Star Wars? Are they going to use this? But they didn't.

They didn't. They didn't abuse it. No, and I thought they used it. Like you said, that was your favorite episode. It was my favorite episode because you got to see Hayden as Anakin in the version. You always kind of hope that he would. And I think that they're going to do that again. And there was also, and I wonder if he's going to test the waters even more so with this

kind of, because there's been rumors about the live action clone wars thing. Right. I think that's what the whole episode. would be should be is a full clone wars episode the show's called asoka so show me young asoka show me around the greenblatt as asoka during that time in a full episode with hayden and um and and and youan and then they run into padmay right that'll be such a water cooler episode and everyone will be discussing it'll be a major episode even if she's in it for three seconds it's like oh we got to stop by the a chorus on for a second checking in and you know she's in our

or that's in the background and Anakin and and and Padmayr having a conversation you know it's something along those lines I don't know again that's all made up that's that's that's just me saying what we could see but um I love the idea that he's going this route that he's trying to get her to do it um and like I said it's not from what I heard it's um it's it's not it's not out of the question it's it's it's it's very possible I just don't think I don't think it's a signed deal yet yeah well in Ariana 17 going on on 18. She looks different already than how she looked in the show previously. So you can bring her back as the young Asoka and mirror what she looked like at the beginning of Clone Wars.

Definitely. You know, the Snips and all of that. Like that would be awesome to see and make that work. So yeah, I love this idea all around, all around. Me too. So I'm curious to how they're going to play it, how it's if I hope it I hope it happens. I really hope it happens um i i applaud pheloni for making this uh potential move and and if that that'll be the episode that i'm that i'm looking forward to the most um because i think it needs i need i think that it needs a bit of a redo um oh totally it needs in the the whole entire series it just needs to be characters need to be written a little thicker it's it you know there is this who said it i can't know it might have been you i can't remember might have been mike i can't remember but

it's like this idea that it just has to be for kids Star Wars, you know, because that's what Lucas made it for originally. I was like, yeah, but remember though, that that generation has grown up with it. And so you got to make it for both. You got to make it for both. That's why I think Andor has resonated. This is why Empire Strikes Back is, is looked at by a lot of people as the best one. And not by everybody, but if you took a majority of a poll, it would be ranked up there pretty high. And if not, Revenge of the Sith is up there, and that's a darker movie. So it seems like there are in I think that they should just change their strategy a little bit more and see

And I and I do think it's an error for him to be writing the episodes all by himself I think yeah I think it's an error I think he needs to bring in some he he's like very similar to Lucas right like he he's good with the story and putting it together But he he needs a deeper I think he needs like some real writers around him yeah It's it's shocking to see that the more he's stuck around this franchise and the more power he's acquired within the franchise, the more cracks have appeared in his overall, shall we say, brand, right? When you say Dave Villani two years ago, you're like, oh, yeah, give him everything. It's Dave Fallone.

He's tapped into Lucas, but he knows what the, with current Star Wars fans want to see. He's great. So they give him more, but as they've given him more, people have noticed patterns, people have noticed issues we hear about the notes uh the young adult skew and he's not fully nailing it especially after that season one of asoka so you go well why aren't you bringing in more people to be in a writer's room with you and to have conversations and to go back and forth and whatever it doesn't mean you have to let them write any of the scripts just means like you got you got to have people in the room with you talking about all this stuff and i bet she's got i bet he's got people

i bet he's got people around him i just think that you know because from what he said is that he's writing all these episodes himself and it's like i don't think you need to do that i think yeah take a passive and then and then get the get the writers in there that write tv and and movies like that that's what they do right and let them let them punch up the dialogue let them let them say hey listen something like i was bring up this moment that the one you know in asoka season one that i i didn't love the idea that sabine had the force i thought she was so much more of of a character when she was just a mandolian She's a badass and then she's got the, it's like everybody gets the force.

But like, I'm like, okay, fine, just accepted. She's getting the force, right? And the moments, the little moments that the whole show, and I've said this beforehand, but just to reiterate to people that maybe we're watching the show for the first time or whatever, there's just little things that could have, you could have stayed within the same through line that just would have more of an impact. So that show was all about trust, right? And it was like the idea of whether Sabine could be.

be trusted by Asoka and if Asoka could trust Sabine and then if all this different of trust, trust, trust, trust. So here's the scene where Sabine finally uses the force, which I thought was done well with the stormtrooper, but she's like, but she's scared when she's using it. She doesn't know what she's doing. She uses it. And then she's like, oh my God, I just used the force. Holy shit, right? Not five minutes later, there are, her and Ezra are on this bridge and they need to jump and do this thing. And she goes, I'm going to throw you. And he's, and you. And he's, he rightfully so is like fuck no right because she just learned how to use it it would have been so much more of an impact if she if he knew what she just done and he goes throw me yeah and she goes

no i i just learned to do this he's like throw me yeah and whether he uses it helps her does it they work together on it he shows it it's like that little thing it's just like i don't know there's just little moments sometimes and i'm just like oh you had these moments there and that I just feel like sometimes, I don't know what he's, what he's doing. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, look at Skeleton Crew this past season. Two of the best written episodes were not Christopher Ford and John Watts.

It was beyond Joe Wesner. Don't tell me, don't tell me anything about it. I've still, I've only seen. Yeah. That person did a great job writing those two episodes, and they were so essential to what the overall, the impact of the overall season. So it's good to have other people in the room to write

these episodes with you and be a sounding board so i hear yeah little tweaks like that can come about because you're not you're so deep in it you don't see it and someone come in with with a little and you don't want anybody to touch it because it's your baby you're like no i know this i know i know i know i remember when i interviewed him and i was like you know he he's and he created soka and lucas gave him the okay on it and he he's not he does not let anybody do anything with Soka without his permission, right? And I understand that. I totally get it.

But it's like he, but I think that you got to be a little bit like, okay, what do you got there? Show me what you think she should do? He should do that. And okay, that's the dialogue. I get it. All right, let's fly with that. But I think he's a little too protective. I don't know.

It does all this, no, this Natalie Portman stuff and you and McGregor. You and I've talked about this. It just makes me want an anthology Star Wars show so badly. Wow. Just like it just says, like the show is called. called Star Wars. You just call the show Star Wars. And it's like a three episode arc,

let's say it's a three episode of the Clone Wars. And it takes place during that time period. You get the actors on for that three episodes, and then that's it. And then the next two episodes after that are two episodes about Cadbane, right? And then two more episodes after that are about a brand new character

that take place 20 years after Ray. You know, it's like you can do an anthology Star Wars series. And then if those characters, let's say that people hate those two episodes about that character that takes place You never bring them back ever again. Flipside.

They love it. You do five more episodes in season two. Right. It's like the Star, you can do so, you can do an old Republic arc for two or three episodes, Knights old Republic for two or three episodes. You have to do so much in just, and calling it Star Wars. I don't know why they haven't picked up on an anthology series. It's like it's, it would be so much fun to play and they could spin off shows from that

thing and everything too. I don't know. Yeah. It's good idea, man. Anyway. All right. What do you? you guys think about all of this.

Do you think that, hey, do you think that Natalie Portman's going to come back? Do you think that she's going to decide that she wants to do it? Or do you think it's just an idea that they want to flow it out there, that they're hoping to make it happen. And if not, Ewan, Ariana and Hayden will suffice. What say you? Put your thoughts out there. Anything else you want to talk about in regards to that, please let me know. And, as I mentioned earlier, right now, I know it's early.

So we stand at five questions. I'm going to try to get to... Oh. It's early. It's early. So you, you caught a bit of a shake here today. Come on. So we're trying, we're going to try to get to John, John, at least 50 today. We'll see. Anyway, so we have more, we got more stories, though, man. We got more stories. There's quite a few today.

And I wanted to discuss this one because this was the one that potentially was going to bring up also. And that's the thing about Hugh Jackman. Hugh Jackman is potentially, may play Wolverine for, 10 plus years. Yeah. This is what it says. You know this story too? No, I'm just, they said it all through Deadpool and Wolverine, right?

So you're 90. Yeah, Deadpool and Wolverine joke that Hugh Jackman would play Wolverine until he was 90. It turns out that might not be as much of a joke. This weekend's comic book movie rumor du jour is that Hugh Jackman plans to continue as Wolverine well into the MCU mutant saga. Scooper My Time of Shield claims that Jackman is not even close to being done with the role. The actor reportedly intends to play Wolverine for at least another 10. years. If the report is true, Jackman is 56, so technically you play the part until he's nearly

70. The scooper adds that Marvel Studios also wants a Deadpole Wolverine trilogy, which is less of a surprise considering the R-rated first film grossed 1.3 billion. Marvel's currently busy wrapping up its multiverse saga with Avengers Doomsday and Avengers Secret Wars expected to reset the board for the Mutant saga with X-Men characters coming into play in the MCU sandbox. filming on Avengers Doomsday kicks off in March in the UK. All right. So I don't really know what to make of this because part of me says, well, yeah, if you're Disney and you just had a movie that made $1.3 billion with people that, with somebody who

they love in Wolverine, and you can get them for the Avengers movies, which is going to go for the next two or three years, right? I think the first one is 2026, the Avengers, right? And the next one's 2027. Is that right? that's what they're looking at right now okay so if those two and so you've got them for at least those two movies you assume um and then if you're gonna do deadpole wolverine two that movie would probably come out in another two or three years from now so yeah you're looking at 2028 and then

if you're going to do another one you're looking at 2030 21 which is crazy to even say um so you know you haven't and that's pretty much you keep you keep doing it whenever you can. The question is, and that makes sense. That makes sense where if you're Disney and you're more of really like, okay, part of it makes sense because it's like, all right, that is why you have a successful movie and you can get your stars on board, you do it. The part that doesn't make sense and that they've put themselves in this position is because they have a continued universe. They have a television show essentially. So it's like, is it just kind of like what DC is doing? Is it more like elseworld stuff at this point? Because the whole point of Avengers

is that they're going to end the multiverse stuff. Right. Which is what I'm looking forward to. And I think a lot of people are Deadpool even joked about it, the multiverse stuff. Let's end it, right, at this point. How do they make this work, John? I don't really know, right?

Because, I mean, they already have, the film doesn't end with them going into the main universe, right? So he's still in his universe. Now Wolverine is in his universe, with X23, by the way. Let's not forget her. Right. So they're a part of the Deadpool universe.

So are they going to cross over? I got to be honest with you, man. My initial reaction is I love Hugh as Wolverine. I don't think there's rare few actors that are just so connected to the superhero character. They play kind of like Christopher Reve and Superman. Like it's incredible what he's done with that character. And as a Logan fan, I didn't mind Deadpool and Wolverine. I thought it was great.

If he wants to come back and play Wolverine for a trilogy, fine. That's great. but I do think there's a danger in him just being Wolverine now going into the MCU because at this because this still starts to feel like okay we're just going to do the desperate big stuff we're going to bring down a junior back we're going to bring Evans back we're going to bring Hayley atwell back we're going to do all these kinds of things that are very rem going to bring the Russo's back it was all reminiscent of the glory years and now we're going to bring in Hugh Jackman who is probably the best part of the fox X-Men universe and we're going to move him in

here along with Ian McKell and and Patrick Schoon, I know a lot of people of them. So to me, it kind of stops a young actor coming in to play Wolverine. So that frustrates me because what are you going to do? You're going to have the X-Men at multiple different ages? Are you going to have Wolverine

like an 80? Well, isn't that the question we're having about Batman? Everyone's at 20. It's weird. But isn't it the same question we're having about Batman? In which way? In which way it's like, okay, so you're going to have, at one point, you're going to have a 60 or 70-year-old Batman I mean 60, 70 year old, do you mean?

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. 50 year old Batman. And at the same time, you have Robert Pattinson's Batman running around the joint, right? So that's the people who are all wouldn't be confusing. It could be in the same way. It's like, okay, here's Hugh Jackman, who is known as Wolverine. Right.

Who was a no, who was not known until he played Wolverine. Right. It wasn't. No, he's played him for the last 25 years. He's been playing him. And so, and then you're asking another person to come in. and be the Wolverine of the MCU while Hugh Jackman is still it's one Wolverine two Batman type yes and it's one thing to go okay look it's gonna no matter

who takes the role or a clause if you will they are going to be in the shadow of Hugh Jackman until they're not right right it's one thing to do it in general it's another thing entirely to do it while the guy is still doing it yeah But can't you just finish out the trilogy, then recast or for whatever reason and start over again? I don't know. I have a lot of questions, but like I just don't. Also, I mean, Q ain't a young man. Q is not a young man.

To ask him to stay on this physical regimen is a lot to ask of an actor as he gets older. And he's got to stay. It's not like Liam Neeson who can hide behind suits and jackets or whatever. Like he's got to look in like incredible in that suit as he gets. older and I'm hoping we're moving to old man Logan that's probably what's going to happen that's awesome but didn't he but didn't he kind of do that with Logan though yes that was essentially old man Logan to a degree yes yes so that's that's that's it's like oh he's he's he's doing it again yeah and there are elements of it in in the Deadpool of Wolverine story as well about things that he might have done while he was

tricked or whatever and so there's elements of that they borrowed for that as well the guilty carry so there's a lot here that they've already explored. But that's my concern, man. I don't think you should play it for the next 10 years. I really don't. I love to see him in a couple of things, but there are so much to explore with a young Wolverine. And if you don't do that,

then you're essentially killing so many stories you can tell with a young Wolverine with a young actor. But I think they're going to do both. That's the problem, though. I think they're going to do both, which is, I mean, it's like if Sony would have been smart, I know that's asking a lot, but if Tony was smart and done the, you know, the Toby McGuire, Andrew Garfield movies, like right after.

Oh, yes. No Way Home. Not as confusing because it was part of the story itself, right? So the story itself could essentially put, because look, I think we're going to see Deadpool in the Avengers movies because I think we're going to see that scene with Thor and all that stuff, you know. So I think you can make it work within your story. Yeah. It's just a matter of how you're going to do it. And you've got to make sure that whoever they get for that Wolverine, that people love them.

Yes. Right. Whoever it is, you got to love them. That's the danger you run into or are you going to cast it correctly? Yes. You don't want to see that. That's a fair point. But I think the difference in the Batman is they're trying to say that Gotham is in the same universe.

They're not bringing in from a multiverse Batman into the main universe of Superman. I think that's the difference there. They haven't said, they've said Elseworld's shit, right? But they can always just amend that. It'd be like, well, we'd start it out that way. But actually, Gotham is very much in the same universe as our Superman. Whereas the Wolverine Deadpool stuff, that is legitimately another universe. And they are trying to bring that over here.

And I think those are two different things. Plus, you've only seen Pattinson as Batman for one movie, right? And this, we've got so many years of Hugh as Wolverine. So yeah, but I hear your day I hear your point though about the danger will fans get confused will they be okay with it. So it is a tightrope you have to walk if you're going to go that route. I don't know man. I'm curious how it's going to play. But I've got to ask the audience.

You know, what do you guys think? Do you think that it doesn't matter. It's Hugh Jackman. Let him do his thing. And then whoever the new person is, they'll do it and we'll be fine with that. I'm so curious to what you guys think and whether or not you also think that it's like all right, well, wait, here's the other idea. let's just put this to bed. Let's just let the new Wolverine be the new Wolverine.

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So, John, did you pay attention to anything over at the box office this weekend? No, actually, I didn't see anything come through. So enlighten me, my friend. I will tell you. I will tell you what's going on on the enlightenment. So, yeah, right now, this is from, I always tell you guys about box office mojo. That's where I usually go. The mojo.

Here's our numbers. We got one of them days. That's the Kiki Palmer one, right? Yeah, I think that did well, like 11 million. Yeah, man. I mean, look, you make movies for lower budgets, and then you make 11.6, and it's a win. Mufasa again, John, 11.5.

Wolfman with 10.6, but Wolfman cost $33, I think, to make. So I think that probably maybe it's Sonic with another eight, and then a thief. So let's, I want to look at Mufasa. Okay. Almost 600 million worldwide. So Luke is very lucky. He didn't bet a steak dinner with me on that one.

Because Sonic currently is at 422. Not even clear. A lot of people said this when the predictions were coming out that Sonic is not as big as you video game playing nerds think it is. It is not as big as Disney's Wufasa or the Lion King. King thing. People have a decades-long relationship with that story. And

I know Sonic's been around for decades as well, but it's different, right? Because that's a video game. This was a Disney project. This is a massive thing that's being passed on from generation to people watching these Lion King movies and whatever. And then the last one made $1.6 billion.

So, like, Sonic has done great. But the idea that Sonic was going to somehow over to overcome mufasa i think was a little bit of fools gold to be honest with you and no offense to sonic it's a it's a it's a far superior movie sonic three is a far superior yes clear far superior it's it is a much better movie it is way better um but it just does not have the same IP power that oh that movie has uh and and the other wolfman meets worldwide so far 16 million so that movie i think it costs like seven million dollars to make so it was 25 it was 20 was it 25 are you sure yeah

i'm looking at right someone told me seven okay so all right so 25 who's that i want to know that person's yeah 25 million they mean okay so it costs 25 to me yes okay so they still you mean they can still they can still make a profit on it it's not getting i thought it was good but certainly it's not i know you we and you differ on that uh jeff is in your camp as well uh but i think it i don't know know if it'll creep closer to that because I think if more people like the movie it would have blown up a little bit bigger than 60. Yeah, it's going to be tough. It's with with the stuff that it's a January release plus the weather right now brutal. Oh yeah. These coast. Yeah. Other things that taking the factors other things that are coming up whether it's Super Bowl, whether it's um you know the

playoffs. What would you rather do go see Wolfman or watch this stuff? Um and then there's other movies coming out so i think it's it's got it can make some it can break even maybe um maybe maybe um but it just yeah i didn't i that's right i saw you're out of the theater yeah we're on this totally different page i just lee wentel to me is just a really good director i like him a lot and i really loved what he did with invisible man it was clever yes it was like it was a spin on the on the on the it wasn't just a horror movie it was creepy it was like it was it was really smart this was commentary on domestic violence as well 100% and this was just a horror movie which is fine for people but like it was just chase chase chase chase chase chase these like creepy weird looking wolf gore

and i don't even know if it really was wolf on what it was and i was just like yeah i want and i didn't love christopher abbott i thought he was i like him as an actor i just didn't like i and julia garner who i love completely wasted in that movie wow Do you, did you watch Ozark? No, I've never seen Ozark. Well, that's why. But I've seen Ozark, dude, wasted. Yeah, well, fair, fair, fair.

But Jeff said she didn't do a good job in the movie. And I, and I can't agree with that. I thought she was good in the movie. She had nothing to do. But I might agree with you that she was a bit wasted. And I agree, that's the issues I had with the film. Two of them were, the one main one was that we needed more time with this family so we could really understand the dynamics.

Yeah. We were presented surface dynamics and then asked to actors to do all the work of levels of what's going on between me that's the most important and i think that's yeah i think that's a that was a bit of a drawback for the film and also i felt he he didn't want to make they or they cut it i think there's 30 minutes missive of that movie because he was clearly going to make a commentary about these people who live out in the woods and cut themselves off from society and how they can be just as horror uh can be a symbol of horror as much as any wolfman so i think there was something that could have been explored there and the stuff and

And I think they were maybe afraid to make a political stand or whatever. And so they cut it. So what was what was the budget on one of them days? Oh, I was probably like nine. I don't know. Let me take a little saying is that movie. Now that movie will make a profit because that movie. No one expected that one to do well, but it got a lot of great.

14 million, 14 million with a budget. A budget of what? 14 minutes of box office. So there you go. Oh, the budget of 14? Yep. So with marketing, they'll probably break even next, next weekend. Yeah.

Word of mouth is going to spread here. And they'll start to pull a profit. So that movie will be a success. So that's great. So when best friends and roommates, Drew and Alyssa, discover Alyssa's boyfriend has blown their rent money, the duo finds themselves going too extreme in a race against a clock to avoid eviction and keep their friendship intact.

So it sounds like a fun comedy. Yeah. We need more of those in the movie theater, man. A lot of people are saying that it's kind of like a throwback to 90s comedy. It's kind of like what Martin Lauren. Lawrence used to star in those old school 90s comedies so I want to see it I've heard a lot of positive I skipped the screening actually thinking it wasn't going to be that good of a movie but now all these reactions make me want to go see this thing so we'll pop on over the regal

and watch it because I love Kiki I think Kiki's great one of them days is the name of the film of people asking in the in the chat um right I think we're going to do here John is we're going to read a couple more stories and then right now eight questions I knew you're on early was going to affect i know it was a little tougher today but um enjoy your victory coin winston your best well you know mike mike's going to be on with with winston on friday so we'll see if it makes a difference we'll see if it makes a difference um i'm trying to see if there's any other stories worth talking about before we just getting these questions maybe let you go back to sleep um so there's are there any any big ones that are coming out here to

oh khe khan is going to wants to play a villain did you see that story no what's going on there are two more stories want to talk about we'll talk about this one for sure i don't want to see him like a villain yeah not that i don't think he can do it i think he like i think he would crush it i just like him too much i don't know if it's like it's like if a wrestler goes heel you're like i'm not booing that person yeah um the comeback story of oscar winner khew khan continues the former the goonies and indiana jones star building on his oscar winning everything ever all at once roll success into several other notable gigs he's had several recent gigs from supporting roles in the second season of Loki and the Disney Plus series American-born Chinese to voice roles in Kung Fu Panda 4 and the upcoming Zootopia 2.

This year, Quan will appear in Joe and Anthony Rousseau's The Electric State and is the lead in the action film Love Hurts, which opens on February 7th. Out promoting his first go as an action hero in the latter film, he's going to be amazing in that, by the way. He's an underrated action guy. I mean, that's what he did in everything ever at wants. He tells Empire what he really wants to do next to play a villain. I'd love to play a bad guy like a bond villain. Oh man, all right, maybe you're selling me already. Or the kind of thing that Hugh Grant does in Heretic. I want to go out of my comfort zone and just play this diabolical really bad guy. That'll be a lot of fun. The actor also has a historic history of work,

choreographing stunts and fights, but despite his new film, he doesn't want to be only seen as an action star. I don't want to be perceived as an action star. I hope I'm perceived as an actor who does action well. I think he did. I think that's exactly right. So I'm going to take it one step at a time. The best part about being an actor is you get to play a variety of different characters. I love Urbos because he is so different than Weyman, and Weyman is so different than Marvin Gable. He was also recently cast in the upcoming Lionsgate Action Thriller, Fairytale in New York,

and he plays a cab driver who pursues a gang of criminals to achieve his children's stolen Christmas presents. I love that too. Yeah, it's weird. It depends on the villain, right? I mean, no matter what it is, I'm going to be like, all right, all right. He's so good. I'm going to watch it too. I just don't want to root against him.

But he makes a point. He's an actor. You know, it's like, okay, you know he's going to do it well. The Bond villain thing, I kind of love. Like, something like that. Depends on the kind of bond you're going to tell. Like, that's, he'd be a great Roger Moore bond. And maybe even a Pierce Brosnan bond villain.

But who are you going to cast his bond? So are you going to cast a more serious bond like Daniel Craig? Then I don't know if it would 100% work. Or are you going to go back to the Roger Moore, Pierce, Prosden, smoother type of bond, then i think that 100% works and but what if not but what if not if it's not actually bond what was a bond like villain in a different type of movie you know like 100% yeah yeah let's so let's see what you can do yeah i like that idea all right this is the one that i wanted to talk to you about because i

want to see your thoughts on this one because this is a story that came out we're talking about the captain america yeah sure i'm looking at right now um the brutalist the editor confirms a i u brerley carbettes uh is a corbeer corbet or corbette It's so Corbett. Corbett, the Brutalus, is in many ways an old school film was shot in Vista Vision. The film manages to craft an epic scale in terms of visuals, despite only a very limited

budget to work with. To pull off such a feat, the filmmakers had to rely on whatever tools they could. One of them has turned out to be AI. The film's Hungarian editor, David Jansko, speaking with Red Shark News, has revealed that the award's favorite film used generative AI for two key elements.

the dialogue and the designs. He says he fed his own voice into the AI software, every speech to clean up the actor's Hungarian accents. He says Hungarian is extremely unique and one of the most difficult languages to learn to pronounce. They coached the actors with a team were perfectionists and wanted to make it so good that not even locals will spot any difference. They initially tried ADR with the actors

and brought in other actors, and in both cases it didn't work. That's where AI came in to help with some. certain letters and phrases with Brody and Jones fully involved in the process. Most of their Hungarian dialogue has been part of me talking in there. We were very careful about keeping their performances. It's mainly just replacing letters here and there. You can do this in Pro Tools yourself, but we had so much dialogue in Hungarian that we really needed to speed up the process otherwise.

That wasn't the only part. The film's epilogue at the Venice Vanelli includes a series of architectural drawings and finished buildings in the style of Brody's character. speaking about AI generally says it's controversial in the industry to talk about AI but it shouldn't be we should be having a very open discussion about what tools AI can provide us with there's nothing in the film using AI that hasn't been done before it just makes the process a lot faster we use AI to create these little tiny details that we didn't have the money or time to shoot the comments have immediately sparked speculation about how they might impact the film's Oscar chances as the

use of AI is a tricky subject this is a bigger story than than to be covered like fourth on our show yeah this is a massive story um this should hurt the chances and it's not i i have been a little softer on the idea of like the images of the second part of that right yeah because it's like okay they use a second to clean up the or put some images out there in the beginning and things of that nature and if cinematography was up for it and that there's certain things that were looked at them then maybe that's the discussion but if it's just that's part of just a little cup of cleanups to help coloring and other things. Right. Okay. Dialogue?

Changing, change in, I mean, where was that for Kevin Costner and Robin Hood? Yeah, I'm sure they would have used it if they could have. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So it's like, and would that have helped the chances of that movie winning an Oscar because it was legit? Like, so that's not really the actors. Well, a lot of them, the actors are. But yeah, but how much now?

How much of those accents are real? How much would it, would it have hurt your, would it take? can you out of the movie of some of this stuff probably not probably not but now you don't know i i'll tell you i'm normally not the person on this side i don't think it should win the oscar wow well we're on opposite sides yeah i i find myself on opposite i i think this whole controversy is a bunch of hullabaloo over nothing i really do i think it's all AI is here to stay grow the f up it is not going anywhere and i don't mean you of course personally i mean overall some of the comments I know you're saying.

Yeah. And so people like people got to, people got to understand this. They didn't do the whole movie AI. Okay. They used it through some of, they used pro tools, whatever.

You know, sometimes I've used certain things to clean up my voice when I do podcasts because like there's an issue with the mic or the audio. So it levels out. That's all. And so the fact that they're adjusting the accents through AI to make it more believable more authentic. That's honoring the accent.

That's honoring the region. And the actors didn't maybe get there 100%. they probably had someone come in who listened who's from that region and was like, you're not quite 100% nailing it. So they want the authenticity. They're not going to go back and reshoot the scenes with the actors. So they come back in and they put it.

Okay, but what about the movies that didn't use it? That could have improved the movies that, you know. Those are the old days and it wasn't around. No, no, no. I'm talking about now. I'm talking about the movies, the movies that are against it. Maybe the substance could have used AI to help even more. things inside it but didn't use it and maybe that would improve the movie now it's you're you're not

wrong in this look this effects this is I don't know or the dialogue or maybe I don't know but the but the point I'm just using that movie as an example of any movies that are up for it um but it's almost like the the argument I can use against myself there is it's like the the age old question the Yankees are like well the Yankees spend more money than everybody else but they're doing it legally they're doing it legally they're following the rules to this to salary cap and everything else, like it's not illegal to use it. Yeah, yeah, it's not illegal. It's it's like, okay, yeah, performance, performance enhancing for movies now is AI.

And it's not illegal. You can use performance enhancing drugs and they used it. So it's like, well, hey, everybody else could have used the perform enhancing drugs, but they didn't. But so it's, but it is, isn't it, isn't it essentially performance enhancing? If, if they, I don't think, because like Barry Bonds is hitting home runs. because of the performance enhancing drugs and he's able to recover quickly, this is more just adding a little authenticity.

This is like making... But that's what they say. That's the problem. I think that that's probably the truth. However, yes. However, what if the accent was so bad that they said, wait,

you know what, we can throw this tool there and it'll sound like they're speaking perfect Hungarian. Right, but the problem is that it's like, but it's not fair. The actress is still getting paid. They're still getting their residual. No, actors getting screwed over here.

No, no, no, that's a separate, that's a separate conversation. Yeah, because that was all handled with the strike. I'm talking more so about you're sitting in the theater going, oh, wow, that's a really good accent that he's doing. Is it? It's not, that's a performance enhancing drug.

Well, I would say you've got to extend that out because then so is using a dialect coach. So is using, get listening to the tapes of other people who speak in that accent, so you can adjust your voice to match that accent. That's a performance enhancing situation because you're not just being left to your own devices. You're using other things in order to achieve a performance. And the fact that a director can use this without, in essence, without eliminating the actor's performance or the actor's intentions,

because it's the underlying foundation of the AI. I don't think it's a negative. I don't think it's a bad thing. And people just hear this word, this term AI and they lose their minds. And I'll tell you this, generations after us are going to be laughing at us having an issue with this right now. That's usually my stature. Brett wins best picture they're going to be laughing at us 20 years from now that we didn't make the brutalist because of AI I'm usually on on that side of things right we're like look my because I was just having this conversation with with my wife and my wife my wife she because she's just like you like terrified of AI right but well sure but she but she also when I was talking to her

It's like, yeah, but there are a lot of good things that can be done with AI. Yeah. But there's a lot of things that can be abused. And she's like, yeah, but humans usually abuse it. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. Right. The schools.

Yeah, look, the stuff will be out there. It's going to be out there. They're already implementing in most companies are implementing. It is going that way. There's no, there's no doubt about it. But it's also, I don't know, it's, it's level playing field for me. And it's, and it's, and it is the same argument I just made against myself. It's like, okay, it's not illegal.

and everybody else could have done it, but I think that everyone else either, either, hasn't done it because they're worried about that type of thing. Like, oh, my God, if we use AI to clean this up or do this, it's going to hurt our chances, or they're going to be put under the, you know, they're going to get blasted and also, let's not do it. That's part one.

Or they don't have an editor that told the truth. Right, probably. You know what I mean? You're like, if you're the studio right now, you are going apeshit over this person. and saying stuff. Say this in April. Yeah.

After the film comes out or after the Oscars or whatever, why the hell are you saying anything now? And so, yeah. And if voters vote again, because I mean, look, de-aging is AI, for God's sakes. It's elements of AI to it. So there's so much where some of it, some of it isn't. Some of it.

Spielberg's Jurassic Park, that's essentially, no one was crying for the practical effects people because they could do such great special effects. That's essentially AI's beginning. So, I mean, there's people in parsing out and splitting hairs and convenient offenses over here. And I just get really frustrated because they didn't make the whole movie AI, but people hear that term and lose their minds.

And look, I understand with the strikes, with the fires, the consolidation, since the strikes of the projects, there's a lot of anger out there and a lot of very legitimate concern and worry that the industry is falling apart. And I absolutely understand that. AI just adds to that, you know, so it's a tough time right now. for a lot of performers. So I hear that. But this kind of stuff isn't like what we should be dying on a hill on for God's saying. I'm so curious how this is going to it. I'm so curious how because if they win though, if they win. I hope they win for God's sick. But if they win,

then that means like, okay. Now now now there's been a precedent. Right. So then it's like, okay, well, then yeah, use it because Brutalist did and they won. So use it. Do that. And And then it'll start it. It's the first person out the gate that benefits from it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If they are hurt by it, then it's going to be this more taboo thing.

We're like, don't tell, don't say anything. Just do it. Say it on the side. Just do it. But it's going to be more out in the front if they win. So it's a, it is a big story. It's a big story. Okay.

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I didn't doubt in a way of like, no, there's no way they can do it. I was more in a place of like, wow, this, I'm trying to be realist. You're trying to be a realist. Oh, this is hilarious. Mirror domains. Should the AI voice cost Adrian Brody a nomination for the brutalist? This stinks to high heaven. John and I are on different sides on this one.

He's on, he's both on the side of werewolves or whatever the, what the hell was that thing called? Wolfman. That was a good movie. I'm on the side that it wasn't, and he is on the side that Adrian Brody should not be affected. I am on the side that it should. So, yeah. I just think it's stupid because, okay, fair point.

People have concerns about us. I want to be disrespectful. I think it's a little trumped up because the foundational performance is there. Okay. It isn't like the AI affected his inflections and his emotion and the things he's going through. and are you an actor-mared domains? Because I have a feeling you're not. And you don't understand that someone adjusting your voice is just adjusting your voice.

It is not adjusting your performance. Your performance is still the foundational thing you're being nominated for. And I think that's still 100% what the... I think that's tricky, dude. The nomination is for it. I think that's tricky. I think you can still have a good performance and be locked in, but you can take people out of it if your accent doesn't sound. Like, look at Napoleon.

Right. Look at Napoleon. right oh god that movie right his performance isn't bad at all no i agree this is good yeah but i couldn't take him as napoleon when he sounds like he's from you know california right i was like his decision not to do a french accent or not right but maybe they they would say hey uh wakene listen i know that you haven't you're struggling with that french accent um we're gonna have this tool where we a i your voice and it's your voice but you're going to have an AI accent yeah but then and then they went they wins the

oscar that's the whole movie though right this is they said they tweaked tweaked there's the difference there didn't yes they saw certain moments where he didn't quite hit the accent they wanted to make it smooth it's tricky i think it's tricky i think it's tricky that's dust and mims dain oz rpk has said what you said before that they're bringing calcestus into live action curious though for what project maybe the movie or asoka season two i haven't heard to which project I had heard a long time ago and I wonder I don't know Daniel I don't know if he gives props to people or not I didn't read his report but I mean I definitely reported on the Calcestus thing like a year ago yeah and Calcestus originally it was a potentially a show and then it was moved from

them doing a show to have him appear in live action so I think he will appear in live action at some point or another I just don't know where I don't think it'll be I mean I haven't heard of Soka season two that's not to say it wouldn't be but um I don't know yet that that's all I can tell you Yeah. But it's still, but they're still, they're still, um, talk about bringing them in for sure. Yeah. Um, okay. Alonzo Hernandez. What's up, Alonzo? Patiently waiting for the MCU for more MCU reaction videos. Yeah. So Ant Man comes out tomorrow. I'm glad, you know, I had it done. And it's supposed to come out tomorrow regardless. But this morning, I saw that there, you have to, there's a certain we have to edit these things.

And so the copyright wasn't right on it yet. So I have to go back to the editors first, get it back tomorrow but it'll be up tomorrow and then civil war will be on friday nice yeah those so we're i can't wait to see her reaction on um civil war dude have you watched any sam stuff yet you would love storker puerto rican firecracker i will take a look i will have to take a look yeah she's the best crawton rudder london what's up london hey i would call him london from no one when watching a movie at home by yourself yeah right do you watch it with headphones or open air headphones I mean no open air I go for headphones my own cinema I love that but I know I I haven't done that I probably should do that it's connected to my so my uh set round sound or

whatever it is or my TV and and and do it I haven't done that but I probably should the problem is that I get I can't John within eight minutes in my house someone's calling for me you know upstairs I get my wife calling me I get my kids calling me it's like it's yeah even and and if they're both the kids are sleeping by the time they're both sleeping yeah it's like 10 30 at night i get i get about an hour i would but have been watching um the agency which i like a lot oh yeah love it yeah very caught up on that really good yeah how many episodes how many episodes are there uh 10 there are 10 total and they're all out there no nine the nine just dropped this past week nine just dropped okay this week

this week will be the finale okay we're just we just we just finished two but my wife likes it too so well so that's one that will actually be watching um we still haven't finished baby girls this baby girl and really weird i feel like it's going to yes okay okay because i said to my wife i said i feel like it's going in a really strange place and she was like you think so and i was like yeah like she hates that shit so i'm like that's why i haven't been rushing to go watch it uh i like to watch open air if you know the lady outlaws not not working but um when she is i usually wear my bow's headphones uh to watch it so yeah uh Alexander Wilson Faloni all he does is clone

war and rebel cameo fest this makes me appreciate Skeleton crew more because that original characters and stood on its own this is nothing but going backwards I don't necessarily know well I understand what you're saying there with your old report but I don't think by putting Natalie Portman in there you're going backwards I think that for a world between worlds I think people wanted

to see her in such a long time return in general she's not going to do a full series she's not going to do a bigger role but and because of where the character ultimately went I don't think that necessarily hurts they were basing a whole series on it and just doing the whole thing, then maybe if they did a whole Clone War series, I see the argument around that.

But yeah, I don't think this move means that, although I don't totally disagree with your point, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I see the point of, because the guy I was saying about bringing Jackman in for 10 years, right? The idea of just going back to the well over and over again.

But look, it's what Faloni knows. And I think Star Wars is smart to trust him as the person to bring it to live action. these are his babies so they want to see if they can trade in on the goodwill right now because certainly star wars needs it so we'll see if they if they get it right and that's so funny you know that we cover that story because like i didn't say many people that were um that were asking this question that boy 22 thoughts on the reports that the brutalist to enhance a jimbrody's performance could affect its award chances or should it i mean i think we've we've pretty much covered it to death here but like um yeah it's funny because this is also why i do love the monday

show so much is that and because john and i have such a long history together we know i have conversations with each other where we don't agree with one another and not start screaming at each other it's it it's just a matter of um difference of opinion on this one but we'll see what happens once uh i mean they haven't even announced the oscar nomination yet because i have been going on in right now the votes have already gone in oh haven't they no i guess not i guess they haven't even no they Oh, what a terrible thing to say just before the bill was about to start. Do you think it could, because the question was, could it affect it? Do you think it will? If you're, if you're Stephen King's talking about boycotted and all together.

He's Stephen King saying, just don't do it. Nobody cares about your little awards when people are trying to rebuild their houses. Oh, that's a fair point. I think that's actually fair. Yeah. Yeah, it's like just, you know, just do them, almost do it like what you do with the pandemic. Yeah. It's like, it's too, it's really tough. What did I tell you about the Critics Choice Awards, by the way? the email yeah February 8th right February 8th and I was like you can't in on Friday yeah well

listen at this point at this point on February 8th you know you have enough Lee to say okay we can do something about I just think there's something about awards for movies right now yeah when people lost everything no I agree with you maybe just cancel everything this year and Jeff and I talked about it on the hot Mike and Jeff had an interesting suggestion where you bring in the firefighters to be part of this like they present the award with the actors and then you have a bit of a telethon or charity event and what have you that's not a bad like if you make everything if you make everything for to donate towards it and they probably will do something like that i bet you that they will they probably definitely

use something that i think all the award shows should do that all the award shows should do that i would bring in taylor sheridan to produce it as well i would nobody gives a shit about this stuff right now Yeah, I agree. 100%. Julius Wyatt, please let us have a Bills Commander Super Bowl. Really don't want Eagles and Chiefs again. I don't know how Mark Andrews is allowed back in Baltimore. That's so unfair. That is so unfair.

Mark Andrews is one of the greatest tight ends to play the game. He is one of the main reasons you guys are even in the conversation for consecutively damn good seasons. He bailed out Lamar Jackson more times than I can remember. and you don't criticize Lamar Jackson's mechanics on that throw, and he is throwing to a stumbling backwards tight end. It was a bad decision, and he threw a bad ball. Yeah, Mark dropped it, but it's also snowing and it's wet.

So give him a break. And what about Lamar's interception? Lamar's overthrowes, Lamar's fumble, for God's sakes, he choked again in a big game. This is what Lamar does. He chokes in big games. I don't care what he did in the second half. So don't put this on Mark Andrews, for God's sakes.

Also, please stop saying we want to build's commander's shoe, because that's going to give motivation of the Eagles and Chiefs to win. Everyone should just stop it. I would love that, though. Stephanie Litts, Rokka's commanders have bigger balls than big balls. I agree. You think so? Uh-oh.

No? Don't you dare? What? He doesn't jump on your face, same way, he just talks. But you think, what do you think? You think? Hey, listen. Come here. No.

Hey, you. Look at this way, this side. I want to talk to you. I'm very proud of you and your commanders. Because the original name was my balls on your face. But I didn't do it. Hey, hey, don't touch me. Don't mind violating your personal.

Hey, I love the outlaws. With me, baby. Okay. He's a menace. He's a minute. Too early in the morning for big balls. All right, let's see. What is the next one here?

This is from Fallen Dish. No lie though. I'm about to go to bed. I don't blame you to me too. Hey my wife this morning. She's like you don't you have to get up. I was like I'm going to the snow hit me in bed. Uh, Evander Silva Lima. Hello. Greetings from Luxembourg. Hey, that's cool. Thank you. Following you following your show since I think 2022. I love that and I have to admit your show is pretty damn good. That's very nice. Roca. I'm rooting for you this time. Oh, okay. So I guess for the questions. I guess. I don't know. I think for the commanders maybe this maybe. I don't know. He's from Luxembourg. Does he give a share about football? Maybe the question. But 25 so far, so for that's not bad. Hey, thank you guys. I think, I think that's very nice. Yeah.

I'm always, I do get excited. Look, I'm always, I'm super grateful. There's so many people that have been with us since the Toad Hop days, the Moist days, the Collider days. I, and I love combining them with the brand new people that have just, we've, we've, what I have found is totally interesting. I don't know why this is. I don't know if you've found this too, but live shows in general and, and, you've, you've, general and long-form shows yeah and they don't bring in new people really right they just they don't it's the shorter form stuff it's people have found this show for newer people who have found

that are watching this right now whether you're watching on the replay or watching live newer people i'd say within the next within the last um three years from like 20 three and a half years 20 21 um to now uh what how did you find us was it through a review view and out of the theater reaction, a reaction in general. That's usually how people have found it and then transferred over to the live show. That's what I've been finding because it's interesting how that happens. But I'm just curious. Mirror domains. It's computer's performance, not Brodies. Oh, shut up. Don't tell him this. Don't tell him this. Shut. I'm going to tell him to show for me. That's the stupidest thing in the world. It's computer performance. He's not going, I am a Hungarian. I speak

this way shut up you don't know actors you don't know what an actor does it's i say that because it's insulting to the craft that i spent many years studying and perfecting and and nowhere near as good as a jrude but would you argue would you argue against the fact that it could be a computer's accent and not brodie no i will disagree with that again it's tweaks tweaks these chicken little guys like this guy they drive me insane with this though wait a minute let's just it weeks the whole performance wasn't done AI. But wait, let's say that you right now, let's say that you acted out of performance as Sebester Stallone as Rocky and Rocky 2, right? Let's say you did a whole thing and you did a whole performance for us and you acted it out. Yeah. And then I used AI and I put Stallone's voice in there

and for the entire performance. For the entire performance, I mean, it seemed like it was your voice combined with him but doing an impression of it and it sounds like a dead on impression of you doing an impression of Stallone. Is that you actually doing a performance of Stallone, or is that a performance of the computer? That's much more of a nuanced conversation because I'm physically doing the performance, right? But you're seeing the...

Now, should I... Why is Pedro Pascal get nominated? Shouldn't the guy who's behind the... underneath the outfit get nominated with Pedro Pascal? Shouldn't that be a dual nomination? 100%. That's the situation you're talking about, and that's a different approach to it.

So, yeah, that's a conversation you can have. but like if I'm physically emoting everything you're seeing, then that's an element of the performance that can't be ignored. This is not a- It's like the Andy Circus conversation, how he used to get screwed for, I mean, he should have been nominated many times for Caesar,

many times. 100%. And that's the limited thinking of Oscar voters that they didn't nominate him because that's an actor delivering an incredible acting performance in those movies, for God's sex, yeah. Mike Joyce, if you could create your own Bitcoin. What would you name it? I would name it. I'm never doing this. Well, if you can make $50 billion overnight, maybe.

Dude, I don't understand it enough because what happened to a girl would easily happen to me. I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. When we were doing Schmowdown, they tried to get us to do it. We did it for like one second. The audience revolted within seconds within seconds. And I called skybound. I was like, take this down immediately. Take this down. Good one. S with the dollars. I don't know what this is. I don't understand it as much to. We started to, we started to promote it. And I was like, okay, you guys think this is where and and it was legit.

Yeah, it was legit. I just, I just didn't like the audience response. I'm like, I don't understand. That's why I told myself, I'm not doing things I don't understand anymore. It's not like if, and I had a bunch of capable people around me that did know it and were assuring me. No, no, no, no. This is something we know how to do. You can.

I'm like, yeah, but the problem is that like anything in that freaking show, it does, they don't, they don't, they don't, the audience never thinks, oh, there's people around it. They point the finger at me. Yeah. Somebody says something stupid on Twitter. They pointed at me. If somebody does, it was always pointed at me. So I was like, no thank you. You're the quarterback.

You get the credit and you get the blame. That's the game, sadly. Unfortunately. DUI champ. Initially, I was against Battenson joining the DCU. Thought there would be too much of a tonal conflict. But if Daredevil can exist in the same continuity as Wanda Vision, Thor, and Agatha, maybe. I mean, yeah, it's like, it depends on how it's executed, like anything else.

It just depends on how it's executed. It could be. You could watch it and go, this tone does not fit that tone. Or you can watch it and go, wow, they really made that work. But we're also having this conversation without even having seen Superman. So we don't know what the DCU overall tone is. I think it's even when you have a dog that can fly and have powers as opposed to like when you look at the world that Oz was living in. Right.

But you also have in that trailer people throwing shit at Superman as he's walking into it with the So there's enough darkness in the trailer mixed in with a little bit of the, because the dog shows up because Clark is beat to hell or Jorra, what do we want to say is beat to hell on the ground. So there is a lot of darkness in that trailer than people are giving. So this could be a much more easier transition than people know because we haven't seen the movie yet, you know, which is, whereas on the other side, Marvel's had, you know, years to establish the universe in a certain way.

But they've also had little dark pockets within it. so and deaths so i wouldn't uh daredeful fit within that world iwok what's up iwok did you see that david crumholz was cast as supergirl's dad zorrell i was happy to see this considering he's such a massive comic book fan he is a massive fan where did that come from that it wasn't josh was it it was he was i i saw the interviews announced over the weekend i don't know who i saw yeah but um that's good yeah good for him i like him i've always i've always liked him i he's a he's a he's a very good actor and i i liked him in oppenheimer i thought he's great right notbenheimer right not he reminds me of my friend andrew fried who has been on this show

many times oh um exander man give roca shot by starting every show early and i listen i when when they there was only one person that i knew i could ask to go that early that would potentially say yes because he's usually up at this time yeah i kind of are close to it and i was like i was like let me let me cross my fingers and hope this guy can do this and he and he did thank god so um yeah it allows me to do so much today so uh uh Eric Kirby, John, how much do you blame? How much blame do you put on Lamar Jackson for the game? Also, where is game time, sir?

Shame on you, sir. It's a joke. Don't cuss me up. Yeah, I put a, I put blame on Lamar, putting him in the hole in the first half. He played terribly in the first half and had to do a hero's job in the second half, just to keep him close.

But if it wasn't for that Ravens defense, shutting down the bills to only let them have six points in the second half, Lamar wouldn't even have even had a chance to put, pull off his almost heroics, almost heroics in the second half. So I do put blame on Lamar for sure. And I don't know about game time. And Winston and I haven't been able to lock down times. He's been really, really busy with a lot of stuff.

Plus the LA fire stuff. And so there's a lot to figure out. But hopefully we can figure out a game time sometime today or tomorrow. But I'll let you know, Eric, for sure. Because we want to preview the championship games for sure. Dat Boy, 22. As a Bill's fan, I'm rooting for the Bill's first commander's Super Bowl. commanders have been playing great football.

Yeah, let's just hope that they can stick with it. Don't start buying the height. I know. I know. I hope they shut everything down and don't let them see any. Don't let them see anything. That's what starts to happen, yeah. First rate, Nate, what's up, buddy?

Is the AIU similar to Audrey Hepper and Lipsinging and My Fair Lady, hence she didn't win? That's a great point. Well, she didn't win because it was, I think she was up against Julie Andrews and no one was beating Julie Andrews that year. But it didn't help. Yeah, well, that's a fair point. But can you? but people still love that performance

just like they love Natalie Wood in the West Side Store and she didn't say a word of that entire film. So those things that you see that help to enhance a movie because you want to enjoy the movie. The point is to put out a good movie that people enjoy. Arago. Did you see Alien Ramos

redid the VFX for home release? No. Did you see this show? I did. Is that AI? Is that cheating? Well, that's a no, no, no. There's a difference. There's a difference. The difference is not, we're not saying again that you're not able to use it. Just saying that when you're going up against somebody,

is Romney's up for special effects? I don't know. It probably might be. Now, if it's up for the special effects, then it's the same conversation. Okay. If that version of the movie is the one that they're looking at to be committed,

then it's the same conversation. I don't think it is. I don't even think it's nominated, and I don't think that's the version that's being submitted. So the difference. I'm not, because I'm very clear with you that if you have the tools and you have the access to use them, you should use them. But the thing is, if you're going up against people, you know, that aren't using them, you're going to be judged on it, you know, no matter what.

But this is, but I didn't see this. They redid the effects in general. What was the big choices that they did, John? I think just smoothed out some of the overall look of the xenomorphs and just some of the stuff that people, and the floating, you know, acid or whatever it was that you had to kind of I like that I like the way that originally they looked bad some people felt it looked bad yeah so but they meant of it I was thinking they just at that I got so much it's so much crap for my my reaction and I said it looks like a janitor cleaning up a port

it was pretty messy uh Carlton rudder same for me Christian hence the headphones talking about being around with kids people calling the name so I totally yeah I get it I should wear the damn headphones Jedi Johnson when it comes to do Star Wars, would you like to see more movies made or more streaming series? Ooh. Right now, I want to see a new regime. I want to see a new regime because it is, because I just, I want to see a plan. I want to see a writer's room.

I want to see them, you know, I really do hope that the Mangold movie comes out, crushes, and they start a path from there going forward in timeline and not jump around. Like, do 25,000 years is when the Mangold thing happens. and then they do something, whether it's 10,000 years later, and then leading into the Knights of Republic, whether that's movies, series, playing in that time period for 10 or 15 years, you know. I'm saying our 10 or 15 years,

and you make movies and TV shows within that time, and then you lead to Darth Bain and all that stuff, and then lead, you can spend 20 to 30 years into that time period and not worry about all this other crap of the same stuff that you're talking about over and over. and over and over again. So more movies, TV. I just want to see a plan. I agree with you. I don't have a preference either way until we see a new regime. Then I want to see possibly more movies and then an occasional streaming series. Uh, Nazara Hadeli. Thoughts on Adam Driver

as potential DC Batman. I don't like it. Yeah, you don't like it? I don't like it. I don't like it. I think that I think Batman should be someone a little bit more unknown, um, depending. on depending on age right like if they're going with someone a little older um because adam driver's got to be close to 40 now but like so if they're going in that range then i get it it's just he's so tied in to kailoran and other things too and he's like i mean he'd be bigger than superman it's 41 yeah he's he's big i mean he's what's he's six six uh tall dude yeah sure six uh six two six two really yeah he plays like he's six six sorry maybe he's not bigger than superman because there was voice yeah it's true i i i don't know i don't really seem as bad man i really i'm i'm

really sold in this brendon sclnor thing now hmm yeah i'm also sold on uh haskell 420 hey guys i miss you out of the opening so i don't know why you went live early christian how was your last snowball back in snowfall back in home and just dropped the two past uh conversions cost me a shot of splitting 10 000 oh baltimore one in a fan duel that's that's that's horrible um as far as opening yeah we went early because I'm shooting the um reaction with Sam today at the normal time that we shoot the live show and it was the only time I can get her in here and I want to make sure that I have that ready for this week because we're really on momentum right now people are digging it we're bringing in a lot of new people I think maybe even people who found the reactions are watching

live so I want to make sure that that that's a priority to to get that out there John was gracious with his time to be able to do that this morning so we did that and the snow fall as far as beautiful but of the pain in the ball bag this morning getting getting here because of it. But I'm sorry about that, Ed, that happened to you. That sucks. Carlton Rudder, loving the sideways cinephiles up, John. Oh, thanks. Appreciate that, Carlton. Part two coming this week. So thank you so much. Pete Parker, 2288. I'm still reeling from Coy hating the South Park movie. One of the hottest takes I've heard on this show in a while. Does John like the movie?

John, you were at Florida State when that came out. Yeah. Yeah. Did you see it? I love the South Park movie. Yeah, and I saw it at Florida State with the guys. Yeah. I wouldn't be I would not be surprised if you and I were probably in the same movie theater it was so was that one it was it was that one everyone used to drive to But it was like the nicest one it was jam-packed and I felt Yeah, I felt like I think so and I felt like I was at a Comedy show with 3,000 people people were singing along screaming and yelling and laughing I watched I watched their reaction over the weekend because I was like me see I and I love court and he'll and he'll push back on it. I don't think he got it. He was saying it seems like it's something the third

grader who learned how to curse would do. But I don't think he understands like the actual intelligence behind that movie. With the musical and everything else behind it, it's not just the juvenile jokes behind it. There's a lot of, there's so much intelligence behind how those guys write and the things that they do and the play and the time with everything was going on with Saddam Hussein. He was still alive. It was still alive at the time when that was going on. That movie is brilliant. It's one of the best comedies. I love I I lose it I just don't think those guys got it and I and I love both Aaron and Quay I just don't think I think it I think the comedy was lost on them

Aaron who which Aaron I don't know who on Aaron really nice guys on on their on the real rejects channel oh oh you're really good dude I like him a lot um yeah no yeah there's a lot of social commentary in that movie uh about war about it's an anti-war film it's also a commentary about how the MPA is okay with violence but not with cussing or sexual So there's a lot of commentary being made throughout the movie. Oh, and also go essentially finger poking Saddam in his eye while he was alive with the way they portray him and make him is this gay lover of of Satan. So I think it's genius this and it was nominated. Yeah, it was nominated for it was nominated for it was nominated for best song.

remember Robin was saying what I was saying that was the best. Yeah, I watched it last week. It's hilarious. I don't I don't think I just don't like that's all that stuff that you just mentioned to. I don't, I'm telling you at the time because they, they, they were, they're like, they're younger than us, right? So they, yeah, when that came out, like those references and everything that was going on at the time, they probably didn't even, they probably just see it and see fart jokes and dick jokes and it's so much more than that. Mike, hey, Roka, have you heard the rumor that Britt Baker is off of E, EW TV because Tony Kahn is fed up with her and she might be fired due to poor reputation, thoughts? In saying this for years. She is a cancer in that locker.

She seems like a sweet person outside of that locker room, but there is a competitive nature to her that she starts to undercut other wrestlers who challenge her. She's had issues with under Rosa. She's had issues with Jamie Hater. She's had issues behind the scenes with other people. Her and Adam Cole broke up because probably he couldn't handle it. And so and she's been in Tony's ear the whole time kind of like worm tongue to make herself better. And she's a medium level wrestler. She's never gotten better. Never. And so to me, it's like, why would you sacrifice so much of your success to listen to her when she's not delivering a good product on the air? So I'm glad that she's finally maybe, and maybe she'll grow from this and be a better wrestle, be a better person. But I'm glad this is happening because she's just terrible on so many levels. You know, it's so funny is that I'm not very familiar with a Debbie. I mean, I've seen stuff too, but I know the name. And the way I know the name is because I've heard horrendous things about her backstage. Yes. That's how I know her. Yeah. Mr. I crap and shits. Good morning, gentlemen. John, congratulations to the commanders as a Browns fan always pulling for the underdog. I hope they keep the momentum. I think that they are the Cinderella story right now. We are right now. A hundred percent. Listen, I'm pulling from too. Everybody's pulling for him now, but that's the problem is that everybody's eyes are on them now. That's the worst when that happens. Fireside Review. Sam's first meeting with big balls is the best. That was pretty great. Her reaction to him was.

amazing. EWalk, more support since Roka had to get up so early. Very kind. Yes, we're at 45, John. That's pretty damn good for the morning. Pretty damn good. How much? Orca 447. Yesterday, Moana 2 made over a billion dollars. You said it. You called it. You called it, John. I'll give you that one. Crazy comeback for Disney after 2023. They now have the top three movies of 24. They have three movies that hit a billion dollars in 2024. I mean, Bob Iger, whatever you want to say, he came in and was last year's head, Christian, last week. He said, What? You're making a series? F that. Put it all together, make a movie.

Bring the rock back in. He'll do some dialogue. And we're good. They don't have. And if they would have got, if they could have gotten Lin-Manuel Miranda back, they probably would have. Yeah. He just was busy at the time. But the other thing is,

what was the other? Oh, yeah, and he's going to do the same thing for Mandalorian and Grogan. Yeah. Brandon Summers. Go bucks. I hope you both are doing well. Oh, the Buckeyes for tonight. That's right.

All right. Yeah. yep uh phasie a brute who i asked an oscar voter which movie they voted for best picture the response was a complete unknown i'd vote for a nora then a complete unknown for me and it's only because i haven't seen the brutalist yet because i just don't have eight hours um of my life to watch a movie then a complete unknown is what i would pick out of the ones that are up there right now but i mean well that's dune's not going to be oh maybe dune will be nominated i would pick dune personally I think Dune will be nominated, but it was.

Dune's not going to, Dune has about a much shot as Top Gun Maverick. I'm so mad, man. Yeah, I know. It should, it should win. I had a friend tell me over the weekend that he thought that a completely, I don't know, was a pretty by the numbers biopic. And I'm like, what? Not even close. You're insane.

Yeah, the person saw a different movie. Yeah. I love that movie. Zeus Fleming. Batenson can be in the DCU. It's no different than the comics. People who don't read comics, uh, need to chill. I mean, yeah, I mean, look, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

But there is something to be said about if there is a world that is set up through film that doesn't seem like it's the same world. You know, like there are certain movies sometimes that happens in the same universe, right? It's like, wait a minute, that doesn't seem like that fits at all. He's been in a Dune, right? The Dune TV show feels exactly like Dune the movie. It feels like it fits. There's sometimes that that doesn't feel like it fits at all. So if that is the case, you know, that's hard to do.

Yeah, I think so too. And you can't use comics because that's a different medium with a different set of parameters, right? Movies have a completely different set of parameters. And you're not dealing with just comic book fans. You're dealing with regular people. Those are the people you want to bring into your theater to see your stuff and maintain their connection to the universe. So you have to respect that. Here's the next one.

This is King. Hey, Scott. Cal, what's up, Cal? Toad Hop for me. McCougal laughing in the background. And the best part, Tiffany Smith. I understand. then y'all showed up on amc movie talk i kind of missed those times uh you know it's it's so funny

because and it's maybe because hindsight type thing right yeah i love those times and i and i and the toad hop and amc was a was a was a good opportunity and it was it was some really i made some great people throughout it though but it's like if i could go back knowing what i do now and john you'll be like what i probably wouldn't even done schmodeau i love smoteau love it and i love it but knowing what i do now knowing the way that like YouTube works and what I could do with my show in the way that I've said I started I started this channel it's the happiest I've been it's the best vibe I think it's the best version of me that I've ever done this thing if I could have done that um back then then I would have but I also say that if you hadn't gone through all the things you want a hundred percent right

it's the road you wouldn't have been able to do that but I'm just saying there were there were certain aspects and certain things that I could have done like even I always talk about this I probably if I could go back and do it again. Yeah. I would have stuck with just me and Mark. Yeah. In 2010 is when we started the Shmo's No show. And it was just he and I with an engineer.

I would have kept that format forever with bringing, and then guests come in. And that's it. That's what I would have guests come in. Me, Mark, and engineer, co-host comes in, does a thing. And that's it. And that's our show. And that's what I would have done. I would have stuck through that all the way through.

But I'm glad that people also there's a lot of people and a lot of laughs that people have had throughout that time. So, I feel bad for Brody because he obviously gave a great performance aside from the AI usage. But I think that that's a very fair point. And I think the Oscar will now go to Timothy Shalomey. And I wouldn't hate that. I think Timothy Shalomey is so good. So good. But is that how you want to win an Oscar?

Well, you don't necessarily know. Yeah, you know. You don't know. No, you don't know. Fasoa Brutta. Your bagel cream cheese combo. mine is plain strawberry i'll tell you what it was a lot easy to avoid bagels in l a there is a spot over here now that i just love we go here it's a great spot and i get my my two

i got a couple go-toes but it's it's either the onion bagel or the garlic bagel with cream cheese or i've been getting the onion bagel with the with the with the bacon egg and cheese oh nice so good there's a brueger's bagel which i love i love i love I love Broomewere's bagels. So I only go to it once a week. I'm only allowed to go once a week because I agree with you. I love bread and bagels would fat me up like crazy. So my combo is usually turkey sauce,

jag and cheese on sesame and then pumpernickel with strawberry cream cheese. I know you, I know your spot used to be because it was my spot too, the bagel broker. Yeah, bagel broker. Oh my God. Walk over. That was the best. Yeah.

People don't realize this. It was hilarious that you and I didn't even realize this. Yeah. For about two. three years John and I literally lived with like I it would take me 33 seconds to walk from my apartment to his apartment and I used to and the way we found that out I was one time walking my old dog tas yeah and I walked by his I used to walk around the block and right before the alley that would go to my place I walk by this place and I saw John come on what the hell are you doing he's like

I live here is how long you lived here but two years I'm like holy shit I never saw him it's hilarious I know I remember that conversation it was just as the sun was going down we were having a yeah yeah and they telling me all about the shows i remember thinking of myself like come on you guys are going to think you're going to be big on youtube talking about films everybody you you and thousands of other people yeah because i was like caught in the whole ibert mindset and had i listened to you had i known or tried to get on with you from that point on who knows how my life would have changed but yeah i know yeah so we're just talking about right man mr i crapp and shits christian i love the mc u actions with sam i have a suggestion

you have a small issue coming up spider man is coming soon but she's barely seeing the previous movie oh there's no there's no uh she didn't see she didn't she's never seen any of the tom holland movies she's only seen the first toby mcguire movie and she doesn't remember it so oh interesting so we're gonna what basically we're gonna do is we're gonna watch all that stuff up to phase for and then right before no way home we're gonna watch all the spider man movies then go into no way home yeah yeah so she's not she doesn't remember any of them anyway so she's because i wanted her have the the impact of No Way Home. You know, she won't have it if she doesn't know those movies.

That's a good point. Yeah, yeah. Brandon Summers. What's up, Brandon? Who would you rather run Lucas film? Who would you rather run Lucas film and how or would you restructure on the creative side? I'd really like Gilroy to take on another Star Wars project. I'd like to see him do another project.

I wouldn't like to see him run Star Wars, but I said this before. I would want an executive that you don't know in the same way that you had no, you or a producer who you don't know who Kevin Feiggy was when he took over Marvel. It's true. You knew who Kevin Feige was when he started giving you, you know, good movies. That's when you started to learn who he was. I don't need a John Favro in there who's got a thousand other things on his plate. I don't need a Filoni who's just got one idea of what Star Wars should be.

I want like I want the idea of that executive, creative executive, creative executive who understands how to put the things in place. And it's very, remember like Theo Epstein when he took over the Red Sox and then took over the Cubs? You need a guy like that. You need a guy who knows, who's a fan of the. of the of the game and can put together the pieces yeah and don't be like james gun being on twitter all the time or social media right right yeah uh let's see stephanie litz minus 25 in minnesota yeah the weather's crazy right now what are the best cold weather movies everest is my pick that's a great ever this is a underrated movie yes agreed it's a

good movie yes um i would not pick a live in in that one i'll tell you that or society of the snow i would take a batman and robin so you could see mr freeze oh there you go cool off come on uh we got you got one you got one in a warm weather snow stuff is there a big snow movies i love some movies in the snow but i don't know how many i would pick necessarily i this is why this i don't know why every time it snows yeah when i i guess i was a freshman in high school maybe okay Maybe I watched Beauty and the Beast the animated version with my ex-girlfriend

and we got Big Macs. Nice. And I always remember watching that movie in cold weather eating Big Macs. I don't know why, but that's why. I'll throw two of them out there, Wynn River, which is awesome. Oh, it's a good one.

Taylor Sheridan film. And then the Grey. I think that's also. Great. It's phenomenal. Everyone should talk about it. Yeah, Frank Grillo, Liam Neeson, Joe Carnahan,

directed. phenomenal that that was the first movie I remember seeing in January that changed my idea that you actually could but could movies out in January yeah yeah yeah I'd love that movie great job on that though yeah Zeus Fleming Hanson Mount or Josh Hartnett as Batman I don't know if I know answer mount who's Anson Mount he's the captain on Star Trek Strange New Worlds that's why I don't know him I he looks familiar um I I don't know his work so I'd have to say Josh Hart I'd have to go Anson but I doubt he'd do it yeah he's already playing Captain Pike I don't know if you'd jump over and do Batman but maybe money would yeah older Batman he's certainly

cool to do it yeah uh A Rago the aliens VFX they updated was for Rook's face oh that's probably good it made it look a lot better yeah that that definitely needed work I'll tell you that that definitely need to work so I'd like to I'd actually like to see that yeah Ronetta what's up Renna hey beauties wishing you and everyone happy Dr. Martin Luther King day to same to you let's use this day for introspection and thoughtful conversation love you yeah 100% i mean that's so funny too is that the fact that you and i are working today um where you know it's like my because my daughter this morning she goes it was it was sad because last night she goes um what time you she said i'm getting up whatever whatever time she's getting up and i go yeah

i got to leave it like whatever time and she goes what do you mean she's like everybody has off tomorrow i go not me i don't know i don't get days off. That small business owner. Captain Penis says, I'd love to see Christian go on the Cinephiles. I think I've been on that before. No, I mean, we have to pick a movie and you'd have to commit to like two to three hours. You've said in the past, it's, it's tough for you to commit to that much time.

Maybe, maybe. But a Channel Sunshine is spotless mine. We haven't done it yet. That's what I would do. Okay. Yeah. Eric Kirby. Christian, let's talk about your giant.

Should they fire Brian DeBall? Fire everybody. What movie trailers do you guys think will air during? the super bowl um yeah as for first question is yeah i think they need they need to they need to uh to make some some cuts um but as far as movies do it trailers are i think going to be super superman probably again they're going to get that that dog thing right afterwards too there's gonna be another look at superman um you think we get fantastic four yes yeah right fantastic four teaser teaser for sure um i don't know there's probably someone's that are like oh yeah that's a

no given i know a no brainer um what do you think yeah i mean you'd have to get that one do you think there'll be another thunderbolts maybe you probably get people excited maybe maybe um they'd probably do another captain america again this ones that they've been showing around the last same ones that have been showing um and then are any animated ones that are coming out the ilio or whatever it's called oh maybe an ilio maybe a minecraft movie one more of those yeah probably Minecraft um so yeah we'll see those are some of the ones that come to mind do i champ wouldn't a star wars prequel 25 000 years before the empire be about eight cavemen fighting over the sacred pissing one maybe let's look again it's the same thing when you talk about like uh dune right time works a little differently

star watch universe uh cupcake bliss one out two hey team i have a question regarding a on a i on an actor's performance whether they should be nominated or not okay we'll get to your question and you're part two in just a moment. But here's Julius Wyatt. Can't wait for a Deni to get snubbed on Thursday. That's probably going to happen too. Cupcake Bliss follows it up. What is the line that directors shouldn't pass

when using AI in films? If the lines keep moving up, then what stops the director from using AI to manipulate an actor's emotions or even create its own actor like the film Simone? That's my kind of point, John. And I think Cupcake Bliss makes a great point is that if you can, when do the barriers

start to get, because that's going to happen. They're going to start to do things because if let's say the Brutelus wins, right? And then they go, okay, well, it won, it was able to do what it did. Let's push the boundary next year and then do this. And then they do that and they win. When does someone come in and go,

okay, you can do this, but you can't do that? That's what the negotiations were about with the strike. So it all depends on the actors, because the actors have to give permission. People forget. It's not like once you shoot it, they can do whatever they want with your image and your likeness. That's not how it works.

The actors will have to give permission for them to use AI to change or alter or... But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about what... But that's what the second question is? No, no, no, but they're asking as far as like... But when it comes to awards, when it comes to awards, though, right? Like, at what point do you go, okay, look, your film loses credibility or not credibility?

You can't be not... In the same way that Dune 2 wasn't allowed to be nominated for the Oscars for its score, because it had been reused stuff. It's like, okay, you can use AI because it's in the agreement that you can't... can use it. The actor's okay with it. But if you use it this much to do this, then you are no longer in contention. Yeah, I would agree. If it gets to the point where it's a fundamental change in the actor's performance, then it shouldn't be nominated. It shouldn't be in consideration. But I think directors understand this because, look, it's not like directors

can't be kicked out eventually because of AI as well. I mean, AI can make a whole movie without even needing a director. So that's a possibility in motion as well. So if directors start to push the line more and more, I think that's where the danger comes. Where you'll see that happen, though, is in the non-union films. Because non-union people don't give a crap. And most non-union producers love to abuse their actors and their creatives and make them and do whatever they want with the movie and sign contracts that they can do what they want to these people's performances. That's where you're probably going to see more of the AI abuse if there is going to be that. I think the well respected directors, the directors who are working in the studio system are not

invested in and destroying that line. And if the line gets pushed, it'll be pushed gradually. It will not be pushed overnight because more and more people are going to use it. But like, what do you think is going to happen? You can't keep plugging the holes. Eventually, the water is going to overcome everything. We will have AI. Vassia Bruta, a movie you love that you used to hate. For me, it's Dark Night Rises. I'll tell you, I don't know if hates the right word, but I had a strong dislike for it. and now I like it a lot. I'm actually looking forward to the upcoming rewatch of it.

And that's Guardians of Galaxy 2. Oh, yeah. Right. I did not like that movie the first time I saw it a couple different times. And then when I rewatched when we were, I don't know why we watched. I think we're doing it for capes or something too. And now that we have it coming up for with Sam,

I'm pretty excited for it. So I would say that one. How about yourself? Casino is probably my number one. I did not like it the first time I saw it. I really thought it was a terrible. Goodfellas retread. Wow.

And then subsequent years, I've watched it, and I love the movies. I still, Sharon Stone, I'm still kind of half in, half out on what her storyline, but like overall, I think the film is incredible. So, yeah, I've changed a lot on that movie. Fair enough. Vixter, uh, 5,001, saw the Better Man movie, and I loved it. So creative. Did you see that one?

Yeah, I've seen about 45 minutes of that so far. I'm going to finish it off today. I really did like, I really do like it. I was surprised. Initially, I was like, mm, but then it grows on you. becomes really good yeah renetta i'm so ready for 2025 year movies drama action comedy superheroes and everything in between i'm ready to go all out with my amc a list this is the year to have it i'll tell you that this is there's a lot of big movies coming out um this is a huge movie year for

sure i'm excited for and tv too i didn't start watching severance season two yet did you john not yet no no i got to catch up yeah um right now and later just showing a little love enjoying the show as always thank you so much right now. John, I'm impressed, man. You're almost at 60. Wow. There's 58. It's pretty damn good. Al Rensh. Transformers disappoints because the two best movies they have done, they screwed up. Franchise was dead before Bumblebee and one was not marketed right. Facts. You're going to disagree on that, John?

I don't know how a franchise that made $4.5 billion is dead, but it's dead. It stinks those movies, those ones you're talking about. It could be that the fact that you didn't bring back Michael Bay. is the reason those films aren't making money. Bubblebee and... He's a producer on both. Yeah, but he's not the director. It's a different game.

You know that. Spielberg produces everything. It doesn't mean it's good. Spellandlerloat. They brought back Michael Bay to direct the Transformers movie. Watch how much money. I hope you're wrong. I know you want to hope I'm wrong.

But I'm not... But you notice I didn't say that you will be wrong. I'm saying I hope you're wrong. Fasia Bruta, did you know that Josh Hartnett turned down? Nolan's Batman. I did not know that. I did not know that. I don't know if that's true.

I don't know. if that's true yeah wow Eric Krempe my dudes Anson Mount is blackbolt in the MCU no no Anson Moat was black bolt it was killed in an alternate universe in multiverse of madness so it doesn't really count and they haven't wrapped in in humans which he was black bolt in in the TV show they have not said that that is MCU so tomato tomato so you've got it all wrong here clearly it's tomato uh harv's would you equate AI enhanced dialect for an actor with using auto tune for a singer? Maybe.

Depends on the singer. It's PEDs, baby. PEDs. No. Like with J-Lo, it is absolutely auto-tuned and what have you. So you can criticize her songs. But if you're saying, like, you know, I say someone is like Adele and you made some tweaks to like Adele's performance, it's still Adele, for God's sake.

So, yeah, no. I just, okay, so I know I hear you. I'm auditioning for, if I, so let's say I'm, I become, I'm, I'm friends with that editor, right? And I'm auditioning for a movie and they're like, they require a heavy French accent. Yes. And I'm like, I know this character really, really well. Uh-huh. I really know it.

Well, they want me to go on tape with the French accent. Hey, can you help me? And I use it. And I submit it. And my performance is wonderful. Yeah. But the accent was from this dude. I'm going to be in deep shit.

when i hit that that thing but i still might get the job yeah until they find out and then and then when they find out they've got to make a decision where they want to go forward with the project with you or not and they got to make sure they got to go through if they want to vote for that movie or not exactly well sure we'll leave the whole thing ewalk couldn't one argue that every actor's performance is manipulated by the ending by the editing excuse me the only time you'll see a truly authentic performance is that played yes there's a difference i was editing from like you're not wrong because like you can edit a performance and if you if there's a take of an actor running with a serious moment and then goes it then it makes a silly face and the audience laughs when they're not

supposed to because the editor left that in yes and it's then the performance is hurt but there's also a difference with like in the way that you're saying words if it's not your words in the same like when you're hercules goes bananas with Arnold Schwarzenegger was not his voice you know they finally put his regular voice back in there but like or Gina Carrano's voice in uh what was that movie that she's a haywire heywire that was yeah that was that was that was that was that was my favorite dude that was my favorite thing when i when mark ellis and i saw that i knew chrono from the from mma i watched her i watched her i've seen her press conferences and i remember saying in my review that's not her voice and people like no that's her voice i'm like what do you mean that's not her voice?

and they're like no that is her voice i'm like no it is not her voice and like it that you know just the voice performance it's it was different it's see that's a separate comment because laura san giacomo did the voice, voiceover for Gina Coran. That's what people have said that it's Laura San Jacomo. She's never confirmed it. Gina's never confirmed it. But it was clearly it was her voice, you know.

And I would argue that makes the film a better film. Her voice work combined with Gina's acting. And what if it was nominated? What if she was nominated for the Oscar? There's no way that performance would be done. I know she would have to reveal that it was another. So in that point, that's a different situation. It's tricky. Because that's not a tweak. That's the entire performance.

You know, well, yeah, but that's, but anyway, we've talked about this forever. Retro rebels. Happy Monday, Jens, had a debate with some fellow rebels over the weekend after a few beers and would love your input. Which theme song is more iconic? Danger zone or I of the tiger? I have to say I have the tiger. I have the tiger. There's no, yeah, I have the tiger. If you play, because now, if you, that was just playing in the, in the grocery store. I was in the other day. If you turn to someone in the grocery store and said, what movie is it from? Now, they won't say Rocky 3, but they'll say Rocky. Yeah. If you put on danger zone, they might not guess Top Gun at all.

The first Top Gun, John and I would get it in a heartbeat, but not everybody. Everybody would guess from my seven-year-old. Everyone would guess Rocky from Eye of the Tiger. There's no argument. Yeah, and think about it. I mean, that's a franchise, right? Top Gun was not a franchise until Maverick 30 years. years later so people know eye of the tiger are much more than danger zone and it was also and it was

also Hulk Hogan's first theme song before the real american song oh that's right yeah that's right that's right Darth Vader's burnt asshole just curious Christian you often say you think the DCU having multiple Batman stories is confusing yet champion the idea of Toby and Andrew Garf were getting more spidey movies what's difference huge difference major different the difference is and this is what I've said because the difference is those two characters were introduced together with the third Spider-Man in a movie. So they were already put into a narrative to the audience that saw them that it's no longer confusing.

In a movie that made $1.6 billion, people who saw that movie said, oh, those are characters in the movie and they live in separate universes. So when you make the movies about them, it's separate universe movies that is not confusing anymore because it took place that narrative. And people who were confused, you can direct them to no way home and say, go see that because they're from different universes. That's why. Because it's part of the narrative.

Now, if they would have just started making separate Spider-Man movies at the same time without them being altogether, then there is no difference. Yeah, yeah. Agreed. Yeah, 100%. Everything you said. 63, so far, John, pretty good. Alrentia, Roka, Bay Transformers, Five, made $500 million less.

Yeah, eventually, yes, it got to that point. But that's all you guys had to hang on to, don't you? You're like, well, the last one didn't make that much. Yeah, because it keeps going down. But the story was ridiculous in that movie as well. I mean, King Arthur, for God's sakes, you know, it was not at... Merlin? That was the worst.

Yeah, Merlin. I'm sorry, Merlin and King Arthur. Yeah, it was just ridiculous. So, but I think if he comes back because it's been such a long time and you have a better story, people will go crazy for it. Trust me on that. Fasier Bruta, David Lynch, RIP. Yeah, we talked about it the day when people broke it in the comment section when it happened.

And we talked about it. I'm sure you got to be doing a Cinephiles episode on some David Lynch stuff, right? I'm not a David Lynch person, not that's strong of David Lynch person. But respect to David Lynch. So maybe we'll do elephant man or the straight story if we do it. Okay. Let me see. Hold on a second.

Okay, so let's say, I think we got one more. We do, we have one more. And that is, oops, Eric Krempe. Hey, ha, ha, love the impression, Roca. I have your same glasses. By the way, I love that hack, evil John Madden, trying to steal my thunder of a Crow remake. I said it first, love you guys.

Yeah, it's going to be, would be a good one to do. Yeah. You know what I started, you know, my little one is a, it's going to remake idea. My, I'm a little, my oldest is actually a big 80s, movie fan right so we're talking about some of the 80s movies and i said and i because she's writing this story and she was telling me about this like town that is suppressive and i go you ever seen footloose

she goes no what's that so so we started watching footloose last night with her and and as we were looking through the remake come up and i go she watched the remake and and my wife goes no no i like the remake i do i like i like i like Craig brewer's version of it i do it's not anywhere near the original yeah but i like the I like that movie. I remember saying it when it came out, and I liked what Craig Brewer did with that one, but that's not what I would show her. That movie is such a fantastic time capsule.

Oh, it really is. The guy was still working. Diane Weist. Yeah. What happened to Lori Singer? She was great. She had a little bit of a run and then just didn't quite. Yeah.

She might have just been, you know, like, you know what? I don't want to be in Hollywood anymore. Maybe. She was great in that movie. She was damn good in that movie. Eric Kirby. Brett hitman in his prime.

Stone Cold in his prime. Who wins the match and why? Well, they kind of fought that. their primes yeah they did and that and that's when that one of the classic matches of all time when in the bloody when stone cold became a became a heel became a face and heart became a heel in the same match pretty great also junkyard dog in his prime versus campunk seampunk they used to job the junkyard dog all the time which jy d you're talking about jy d in the independence down before he became w w because jy d was a dog in the end of people's winning titles

in the independent so depends on which jy-d you're talking about yeah the i'm a punk i'm a punk yeah p parker 2288 casino over goodfellas oh i wouldn't go that far i can understand someone's saying it i can understand i'm not on that i'm not on that page but i can understand someone saying it's a great movie it is good it's a great movie this is the last one for now okay uh gave olivera 805 brutalist a i controversy thoughts on awards we gave must have just started tuning in um Gabe, I would recommend rewatching the show. I think we talked about it at least eight times. What I can give you the summary of it is that John is more on the side that it shouldn't

have an effect on it. I'm more on the side that, depending on how much is used, I think it should have an effect. And I think. Yeah, about the hour mark or a 55 minute mark we started talking about. Yeah, I mean, we talked about for quite a while, like a few different times. So I would just recommend to go and check that out. Yeah, someone said Wolf of Wall Street better than me. both i'm not gonna i'm not gonna fight someone on yeah i wouldn't need i'm not gonna fight somebody

i love that's one my favorite movies of all time uh retro rebels roca would love to show more support brother do you run live shows and if so what time i'm a big fan of you guys out here in arizona danger zone when i walk in the gym i either tiger when i walk in the bathroom in the bedroom hell yeah i think there's a bathroom or the bedroom i guess um yeah john you do live shows quite i do yeah yeah i do live shows on my channel just uh you know, just sometimes I'm in the mood. Like last week I was in the mood and did a live channel about a live stream about the Justin Baldoni stuff and the nail gaming allegations. So it's all just about me getting in.

But, you know, I've seen what Christian's doing in the mornings and there may be a thing where I might start doing some drive time stuff, you know, a couple nights a couple nights a week, maybe four o'clock or something like that, just to have some fun. So maybe some more consistent live shows are coming in 2025. But we'll see. We'll see. All about it depends on the time. Look at this. So now, man, you get a good run here, John. Stephanie Litts, another cold weather movie,

hateful aid extended cut. Hell yeah. Yeah. I think it's pretty good. Ending was 69. There you go. Yeah. Boom.

Boom. Oh, no, I lied. I lied. Eric Kirby, Christian, big balls merch. Where is it? You know, it's so funny that there's potential that I could make the big balls merch. The problem is, I wonder, it's like half the audience loves them. Half the audience despises them.

So it's like, it's like, would it be worth it to put it? I'd be so curious to see. You're going to walk around with the chipmong with big old balls and dick and balls. I don't know. I don't know. People would, I guess. Tom Benjamin, your commanders broke my heart. Please win the Super Bowl.

Sorry, buddy. I hope we can. We'll see what happens. I hope we can. So 71. John. Oh. Most impressive.

72. Wow, I can't. Then I'll let me sign off. This happens sometimes. Joshua Gonzalez. Raging Bull is where it's at. Again, hard argument. Love raging ball.

Love it. You got on the Cine of Falls. That was a blast. Great movie. Billy, Miles Roke, where is your top 10 list for 2024? All right. I still haven't done it.

I'll do it this week. Full shit. I know. I'm busy. I'll do it this week. I promise. I want to see that list. All right.

So you see any movies this week? Big balls is number one. You see good. You seen anything in the theater? Nothing's coming out this week. Nothing's coming. No, but I got to catch up on Denny Thieves too.

And I got to catch up on Sonic. So I'm going to catch those up this week for sure. Yeah. All right. Listen, we did it. Thank you guys for being here on this early edition of the show for everybody who tuned in. Appreciate it for John. John, give them one more time.

Where can they find you? Please find me on social media at the Roka says on Twitter, Instagram, and Blue Sky. Also, my YouTube channel, YouTube.com slash John Roka says, or just type in the Outlaw Nation, Roka, it'll come up and subscribe to it. So close to 40,000 subscribers. We'd love to have you guys come aboard and see all the great content we do over there and have fun with us over there as well. And thanks, Christian, much love. Great to see you, brother, man.

And I'll see you guys soon. Take everybody. Have a great Monday. Thank you, John. Thank you to John Rucker for being here today. Thank you for you guys. Apple Podcast, Spotify, anywhere podcasts are found. Make sure you check us out.

We're going to put that reaction of Ant Man up tomorrow with myself and Sam. So make sure you check that out. We'll also have Civil War, Captain America Civil War, on Friday. So check that one out. And that's it for now. So make sure you comment. comment, do everything else you need to do here. Appreciate you and we'll see you guys on the flip side. Thanks again. Bye-bye.