The Kristian Harloff Show - Fantastic Four Delayed?! Echo was a totally different show and who will be Supergirl?!

Episode Date: January 12, 2024

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Look, we're going to get into Echo. I don't know how much we're going to really do spoilers on this one, because I don't think a lot of people are watching it, to be honest. I don't want to be like, I'm not really watching Echo, so I don't want it to be spoiled. I'm not even going to lead with it. We're going to talk about it, though. We're going to give our opinions on it,

and if you want to watch the spoilers, again, doesn't seem like many of you are, because I had my second episode that I did. reaction and none of you clicked on it so well it gives an indication is it a terrible show no i don't think so um is it a great show no i don't think so so we'll get into that fantastic four i had a conversation with mike kalanowski the other day and we were talking about when the new star war's movie was potentially going to come out and he had mentioned may of 2025 and i said no way i said there's no way i said because and especially they got fantastic four he's like fantastic four

Grant land in there. I say, you don't think so? I still don't think he's right about the Star Wars portion of it, but he might be right about the Fantastic Four because it looks like they're pushing shooting because of Pedro Pascal. Does that mean that they're going to move that date? We'll talk about that.

There's a ton of other stuff, man. As mentioning Echo, there were deleted scenes that shows that the show was kind of significantly different than what it is today. There's stuff with, there's some D.C. stuff, James Gunn, there's rumors about SuperGue. girl who's going to play supergirl i'll tell you out of the names that were rumored i like them but not my choice not my choice doesn't matter because i ain't casting it but i'll give it my i'll give you my

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Coy, and Winston, eventually. Here it is. Let's get to it. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back. Caps and Cows, myself, Coy Chondro, Winston-A. Marshall. It's us. Well, Winston's on his way. He'll be here soon. So it's me and you.

I think it's the first time we've had an empty seat. Oh, oh, there he is. Right as we said it. We just manifested Winston Marshall. It was a one shot without him. Watch this. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. It is capes and cows. It's myself. Corey John Joe Winston And Marshall You got wrestling Walk-in music

And Ralph Biscuits What's up guys Nice to Do we just start? Yeah yeah We were talking Wow That was perfect

Amazing Yeah Just We just did the intro But now we're I'm actually I'm actually gonna leave all I think it's great

I like the double intro Because you got a walk-in music That was like a fake out That was definitely a dream bro Just like out here Hitting the With our own theme play Right, right, right.

You summoned us to start. Yeah, I appreciate that. You were parking and we're like, I think we should start. And it's about that time. Yeah, no, no, no. We got a- Quick question. Nope.

You got a rental? Oh, yeah, my car's in the shop. Okay, I'm just making sure. I was like, I don't see- I don't see- I'm just wandering in the street. I walked. Unfortunately, we don't have time for rental talk

because we got a quick out here today. I'm excited because I actually, I got a chance I'm going to be interviewing Ian McShane. Nice. I could say John Wick, but then I could say Pirates of the Caribbean. I could say Deadwood. I could say everything everything yeah um when you texted that I was like oh yeah we'll leave I got

to have one piece yeah he he narrated one piece dude it's so special yeah wow I got to talk to him I mean everything and just I I just I'm never going to do it but I just want to hear him say Jonathan I just I mean you know he's you know he's gonna be in he's gonna be in that new movie the uh not the not continental the baller ballerina yeah he's tying that world together I think he's so talented that dude is immediately like this guy I can't wait on screen so much gravitas Yeah, I got him for like 20 minutes. I think I'm going to put it either in next Monday show or the following because he's got a new movie coming out called American Store. So we're talking about that.

Nice. Yeah. Anyway, let's get into some of these topics because there's a lot. Now, we can go real quick. As I mentioned, we're going to talk about Echo, but we're not going to talk about any spoilers because I just don't think enough people have seen the show. So it's not worth it. We didn't lead with it. We'll talk about it.

And I don't even know what the guys think about it so far. I think I kind of got an inkling of what. Coy said, and here's my thoughts on it. It's fine. The show's fine. It's not great. I wanted it to be great. It sells itself as something differently in the trailer, for sure.

And the way I said is it's like Netflix Light meets CW, right? It's got like, and it's not, and it's better, as you said, Coy said before, is it's better than a lot of the stuff that Marvel has done recently. True. It's just forgettable. And I think I know the reason why they dumped a, all at once because this is the perfect example I watched three episodes of it because and I wanted to see the story was going I was like I'll have the next one I'll

watch it and then I haven't gone back to go it's been out and I haven't gone back to watch four and five and oh you haven't finished no I've been four is the best I think the best episode I'm sure it is and that's probably why they did it and it's like if you're watching you're like I want to see the story goes but if it's week to week I think they would have lost even more people so yeah because we did have a gap with screeners earlier yeah so that's why I just kind of bailed on it without Without spoiling anything. What's the main focus on four?

Conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, well, Winston, what do you think of the show overall? Sam. You hit it. It's fine. There are moments where I'm like, wow, okay, cool. There are other moments where I'm like,

I honestly found myself completely drifting off and doing something else. Right, right. It's dull sometimes. This is similar to, it's not a foreign language film, but it is, it is in the sense, of, like, for example, you can't watch Parasite unless you speak Korean.

You can't watch Parasite without paying attention to the subtitles. I love that ASL took such a major element to the show, and that added, like, both a unique look into the world of Echo and anybody that, you know, like uses ASL or anything like that. But because the show at times was boring,

if you were not engaged, I'm not paying attention to the subtitles. You know what's funny about that is I was, during my watchful, my reaction, I said something like, who says? Our uncle or father, he's like, dude, pay attention. I'm like, they lost me, man. And I'm like, they lost me.

So, like, for example, I have been a massive anime head since I can remember. And there are times where I straight up, I'm like, I'm not going to watch anime right now because I don't have the attention span to read subtitles. Or this is a part of the story that's kind of boring. So, like, once we get to another story arc, I'll hop back in because of whatever. So that was the only problem with this is at times because it could be boring. boring. I found myself drifting. It just doesn't hold you the way you do.

No. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it does. But the way that the trailer, that first trailer came out, you're like, oh, my God, I'm going to be locked into this thing. The season. And I don't even think what I would assume, and you could tell me, the stuff that you really saw in the trailer doesn't seem like it happens until like the end of the series. I think for me, I, so if it's like, you know, exceptional, great, good, fine, I think

I'm a little above your guys take. And I'd go good over fine for my experience of it. I wasn't as bored as it seemed like you guys got in parts, but I definitely wanted more, and I do feel like the edit was more my issue, because I think it was probably, I heard rumors it was eight at one point, and then it got brought down to its standard six,

and then it became five. So I heard like, you know, it was eight when they were conceiving it, and then it was going to be a regular, and then they were like, oh, enough is still not good, they made it five. And I think that the strength of six or eight would have been,

the supporting characters that I really enjoyed didn't ever have a beat to close on, and that felt like hollow, which you haven't gotten to yet, but there's, I love like what biscuits and what, uh, two biscuits and Henry,

the guy that works at the skate rink, that like that, like that, like, yeah, yeah, this intimidating, like, yeah, that guy,

I really wanted more of his journey alongside Echoes. And I also think there's, you haven't gotten before yet, but there's, the first time that I felt like Maya was as fleshed out as she needed to be, was in four. Okay.

And my issue was, I got the stoicism. I got the warrior. I got all of that, but I wanted to see a little bit of what was driving her besides just vengeance, because that's John Wick needs the dog. You know what I mean? Like, John Wick needs the dog. Yeah, because the dog is his wife.

That's the other thing. You're like, yes, we're, okay, it's a dog. But there was the last thing of his wife, but it's the last thing of his wife, and that becomes the anchor. So if there was. I want a little bit more than just like I was in New York, I was wrong. The fact that she's more flushed out overall in Hawkeye than her own show. I think that the time you get to four, I'm in. And so my issue would be, I would have loved to have seen the vulnerability and the honesty behind her acting earlier so I could be invest earlier.

And then maybe you wouldn't have been as bored or wouldn't have been disengaged. Yeah, it was, it was, again, I think that you didn't connect to enough people. I think that what it is is that I'm interested enough in the story and the fact that I get the same reason I brought up like, uh, Blue Beetle, Ms. Marvel, the stuff with the family and the stuff with the, with, with her, um, grandmother and all that. That works. It works really well. And I love the connection with the grandmother's ex-boyfriend, and he's helping around. Like, that all works. But the thing is, you could tell that they were trying to sell it on the kingpin angle of it,

for a lot of it. And sometimes when they were doing that stuff, the emotional stuff, that stuff worked. But then they would do some of the fight choreograph stuff in the beginning was bad. It was like, not good, bad. And fake blood, and I'm talking about like a CGI blood. It drives me nuts. I hate CGI blood. I think they made the show TVMA after Hawkeye.

I don't think this was intended to be. Maybe not. That's what it felt like to me was they went, okay, we want to get it darker to appeal to Netflix and bridge the gap towards our new take on Daredevil. I think the reaction to Hawkeye Kingpin changed this show a lot. I think they were like, we need to make it a little, and then they added some kingpin footage. Maybe they'll let Donofrio go back in and do some stuff on his own.

That felt like maybe a, like, because you don't need that actor. I mean, it's a new actor. It's a young, uh, La Quacka Cox. And the scene in the plane, I don't think you've gotten to, yet the scene of him talking to certain people wouldn't need all the actors back. You'd need a sound stage. So I can see them upping the kingpin,

making it more like the Netflix show than adding the blood so it feels. Well, there is a story that, well, after I hear Winston's point that I want to jump to, is that there was the rumor of what the show was of the deleted scenes of how different the show was and we'll go over it in a second,

but what were you gonna say? I was just gonna, I wanted to, you know, I don't want it to seem like, because we said it was fine. That means that there were good elements to do it. I don't want to make it seem like I'm just, like trashing the show because I'm not. So like some of the things you said, the family stuff I think when done well is really well.

The one thing that Marvel always gets right and I have to give them credit for that, we very rarely have seen bad acting. Yeah. This is this situation where the acting in this was very spot on. I thought like you said, biscuits. I love biscuits. That's hilarious. Not just the name, but just like how he's acting.

I thought the grandmother really did do a wonderful job of that. I love the three goons that you'll meet in the, I know. rank? I hated that. No, no, I liked it in the sense that, like, I loved watching. All right, I want to go a quick spoiler. I have to. Okay, okay, which part?

Which part? So this is a quick spoiler for episode three. So if you haven't seen it, then just fast forward and I'll put a time code. So they know how dangerous this woman is. They know that she's the one who, at the time, they think, killed Kingpin. Right. So this guy wants to make sure that he locks her down and that he catches a reward. and he does all this stuff, so he calls New York.

And who does he call? His sister, who's out of a freaking mind, and then the most incompetent ever friend, who? And then it's so bad. And then they wonder, what are you doing in there? It's like, come on. It was so bad.

Okay, but here's why I enjoyed it. Breaking Bad is one of my favorite shows of all time. Don't you dare compare them to Breaking Bad. Where's this going? Where's this going? I need you to hear me out, sir. What? He's the connected tissue.

I need you to hear me out for a second. Don't make me regret that I did not lock that tour. We could have started out. I'm not comparing it to Breaking Bad and saying that this show even holds a candle to it. But one of the things that I do love in these kind of like gangster or drug stories is the incompetent like henchmen that really. So because on top of that, that also helps you balance out to see how terrible. But Jesse and his friends were established and you earned that when they got into those things. these they just showed up

you're like who are these you got teased with that at the first episode which shows up yes what you talk about the other two yeah it's goons and on top of that even with the MA

we're still dealing with the fact that this is a comic book so like that's come on the dark night was a comic book I understand that and there are also some goons in there like that I get it I get it

that is that is two in it Jack Reacher one toilet bed I get it but that's the whole point you got to remember you're talking about three like one dude that kind of

in this crime world, but these are country hicks that live in this small town on a reservation. Ozark, they don't know. Country Hicks in a small town that were terrifying. I mean, and I understand that they're not meant to be terrifying. But that's what I'm talking about. That's what I mean from the show that was pitched in the trailer to the CW. aspect. That's the CW aspect.

Sure. If you want to give that the CW aspect, that's fine. It didn't bother me to see it. It didn't bother me to see it. It is what it is, especially considering we have had things that are actually the dude, you were talking about on Loki, that was bad. That was bad. That was bad. I've gone back to be watching. That was bad.

Okay. What did he say? The reactors. I'll make sure to get the reactors. I'm not going to be in your mind. So yeah, no more dead cops. Like when the one is like the stage with you. But the acting is something that I will give credit for. And then Marvel has done a very good job about

being able to bring cultures into these shows. So bringing in specifically native culture and really like giving moments to highlight that. I thought the lacrosse scene was awesome. That was cool. You know, so like that kind of stuff like that.

Those are the things where I give them so much credit for. They have not missed a mark about showing us varying diverse cultures in what if, in Wakanda forever, in all sorts of Miss Marvel. It felt like Miss Marvel in that it incorporated a culture

that didn't feel like it was pan-down. That's what I dug about it. I felt included. I felt included. I felt included in that I was learning. That's the stuff, as you said, I started by saying it's fine. You watch my reactions, I'm going, there are things that I dig about it. There's other times I'm just like, I wish that was better. That's always, it was more so like this.

I never felt like this, minus the toilet, minus the Jack Richard toilet people. Other than that, I was like more so like, oh, it's going to be so good. And it just never got there. To take my one little sports analogy for the day. The thing that ends up happening, I feel like, with all of these shows when you're bringing the culture in, and that's what makes it kind of hard. It shouldn't be a trick play because the heart and the soul of anybody's story is who they are at their core, right? But that being said, even though the culture stuff is not shoehorned in, it is done exceptionally well, that feels like a trick play that feels like a flea flicker that you got exceptionally right, but your run game sucks. Yeah, yeah, he don't get it.

He don't get it. He don't get it. He don't know what that means. Sportsball. He don't know what that means. I say all that. to say just like I love that Miss Marvel that Wakanda Forever, well I actually like Wakana forever, that this, they get the cultural stuff.

But then when like the key elements of like making me want to sit and watch the show don't work, that's hard for me. Blue Beetle, Blue Beetle to me, like the stuff that works is that family stuff and the superhero stuff. I'm like, whatever, it's the same. I've seen it a million times. This is less of that and more of like, oh, man, if it was just, there was just something missing.

There's just something like missing. I'm curious what you think when you get to the end and one, I hate the expression in sports ball. I'm sorry to sports. But I think that at the end, I really like how they land the superhero stuff with the mysticism. There's a really cool moment

that ties in the culture they influence and instead of doing like a superhero landing and I want to give it away, but instead of doing a superhero landing, I like that reveal. I thought that was really like unique to this world. And so I think it might get better for you, especially four.

I think four is the best episode. But I think overall you'll be less bothered by things. I do. I think it ends good. I think four is excellent. so overall it resolves well. It's just like five's a little rush. Five's a little like it's got a lot to have to do and it feels it.

You said that about Moonnight though and I don't really agree and I'm in the minority. You know the final episode is the best? No, no, no. The pen ultimate is the best. Exactly. For sure. But I remember what we're talking about the, but I can't remember who said it when you guys said that then it just ended trash, right? That's a very, someone did.

I don't know. I don't love the ending, but like, you know, Moonnight I think is better than a lot of people do. But I do too. Moon Night, the last 15 minutes of it was like, oh, is it rushed? Giant crocodile guns. Yeah, not great. And especially after coming off of that, to me, that was one of my favorite episodes of Marvel television ever was that penultimate episode.

Absolutely. So freaking good. But I hear what you're saying. But I want to, I mean, it does end in a way at the end of episode three that I'm going, okay, well, let's see how we get. Can we stick the landing? And as I said, when I was even tweeting out about it, just, it's fine.

It's like compared to like some of the other shows, it's, it's way better than, uh, than, I guess secret invasion. It's way, it's way better than she Hulk.

It's way better than, uh, I mean, I think it's, it's better than a lot of the different shows because I do like the tone that they were going for. I think they just, it's like,

it's almost like, yeah, keep going for that. Keep going for that tone. You know, who said it yesterday. I think it was, uh, Kalanowski was talking about such a great point that I never really thought about that we didn't

really talk about is that, normally with television you back in the day you pilot season you shot the pilot you hope to get the pilot that the networks were happy enough and then then you go to series

now it's oh yeah okay go to series and it used to like you'd have a recast sometimes for the pilot you'd have a new actor in a role because that part didn't work you'd actually get it like tested they don't do that anymore it's like the green light and then you go for streaming and it's like that might not be the way to go

I'm so curious because there's a couple things that I will say that Marvel TV, again, does exceptionally well. Look at Wanda Vision. Look at Moonnight. Look at this. They really do an exceptional job of the Penn Ultimate episode really being like, God damn. Yeah. Like it wasn't the pen ultimate, but it was the one before that in Falcon and Winter Soldier. When you see what will become U.S. agent kill that dude with the shield.

that wasn't, if I'm not mistaken, that was episode four, not five. And that one was like, yeah. Right, right. I also think this show and that show both landed their tones from the, the creator's side. Well, I think the overall show didn't quite get the tone it wanted, but I do think that there was a vision in the directing in the way it was shot, the DP work. It felt specific and a lot of Marvel shows haven't. So to me, I mean, obviously, Loki did and the good ones do. Wanda Vision did.

But this show, I love that the cinematography of the motorcycle flowed into some of the Native American art. And the music's fantastic. You haven't gotten to the super suit. Yeah, but there's a lot of things that feel intentional. And that's what I liked about it. But I do think it did suffer from, it's not as bad as what rumors we heard on watchable and releaseable. Not at all.

But I do think it suffered from whatever that stuff was leaking into the final cut, having to be pieced together after. Well, because it's one of the same things that like Boba Fett did in a, not as guilty as Wobfet, but still, Bobafet, when you saw those trailers, like, and you heard interviews, this is a gangster story. this is the godfather and good fellows of Star Wars, and there was anything but that.

The guy was not even close. He became less... As time progressed. He was like a friendly uncle. It was... And every single time, I'm Boba Fett. Yeah, we get it. He became like Tomora Morrison the guy.

Like, there's this friendly uncle. He just like Bobafet would be Bobent to like, hey, I'm Tamara Morrison. I'm a friendly fellow. And so when I say this, it's not as drastic. It's not as intense as the... I don't know, mismarketing or false advertising as Boba But this is, they set it up like it's this full on Netflix daredevil thing about the relationship between.

Especially the first episode. Yeah, her and Kingpin. And it isn't. It's more so about the family and then this small town thing for a bit. Like they're trying to go for like a Sons of Anarchy thing, which is fine. And it works, but it's not the trailer that they were trying to sell everybody on because that they knew that what they cut was the more intriguing thing. The thing that the trailer was was the Hawkeye reaction. I think that this trailer was in response to August Pena of Kingpin.

And the stuff I think they added was all the hardcore intent stuff. Love the silent film part. I thought that was cool. Yeah. 100%. There's some great stuff, as you mentioned. There's some really cool stuff in the show. It's just, from all the cool stuff, you're just like, continue that thread.

It would go like this. But that's, again, I think that's what they do really well. They hit genre stuff so well. So doing in Moon Night, the inception stuff, doing the silent film and this, doing all of those homages to TV and Wanda Vision, which is why we were so hooked

because it was like, you're doing the mystery, but damn, you nailed, like, I love Lucy, you nailed the modern family, you know, right.

So, yeah. All right, before we move on to, I want to get to the echo thing about what the show was supposed to be, and it's a little bit more detail about that on a report

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All right. This could be, I guess, a possible spoiler. So for Echoes, here's the report. It says a closer look at a deleted scene from Echo, sheds new light on how the series changed over time

with this seemingly minor sequence changing everything we know about the latest MCU series. No matter whether you loved or loathed Echo, it probably didn't take you long to notice that the series was put through the ringer during post-production. From a shoehorned in recap of Maya Lopez's backstory to those oddly situated flashbacks featuring her ancestors, rumors of Marvel Studios cutting an entire episode,

now makes sense. When Maya reunites with her cousin and grandfather, it is clear that it isn't the first time she shared the screen with them. We don't know whether Echo required extensive reshoots, but the second episode, for example, has seven credited writers. We bet on there being a lot of scenes which didn't survive the editing room and only can hope that Daredevil born again, which is being completely overhauled, despite several episodes being shot, now fares a little better. Scooper, Can We Get Toast? Recently shared a screenshot from one of Echo's trailers, offering some insights into a major sequence, which was deleted. There was a scene where Uncle Harry was safely shot by Maya

using Tucklow's powers was actually filmed for Echo, and it was cut. Maya would have shot Henry to convince Kingpin that she was on his side, but Henry would have survived with the help of his mortician friend. Not only does this mean Echo was once planning to pretend she was on the Kingpin's side, but her powers were going to emerge much sooner. That suggests the entire finale was reworked unless the idea was for Maya to return to New York with Fisk after their clash,

taking his operation down from the inside. We'll never know. They gave a 3.5 out of what? Five or ten? I don't know. They said, how do you put this your name? I think it's Alacua. Alacca Cox is triumphant in Echo, a series,

which may have taken a beating in the editing room but manages to deliver a ferocious, culturally significant story, which puts Maya Lopez on the map and ushers in a new era. of MCU's storytelling. All right, so they, they dug it. And I think that's fair.

Like I said, I haven't seen four and five. I think three point five's fair. I think that's that. I mean, I could say, if four and five deliver for me, I can get, I would be able to, if it would really,

I'm like, well, four and five are awesome, then I can do, I can get to that score. I guess, you know what? Because you were talking about your grading scale, like fine for me is a C. A C is fine.

It's not, you're not, not good job, but not like bad job. Yeah, I think C plus is a good, and I'd give it a C plus. So I guess 3.5 isn't, I'd go 3.75. But like, it's right around there for me.

Like that range, it's above average, but not more than that. 3.5 is 7 out of 10. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's a C. That's a C. Yeah. I put it slightly above that. But I think we're on the same page.

I'm like, I'm in the 3.5. I say 3 right now and I've got to see how it end. So overall, look, the thing got changed. The tone changed. But what I was going to say is World War Z is a film that if you remember that movie, If you remember what happened beforehand, people thought it was going to be the biggest disaster of all time because it was going through all these changes.

There were a bunch of reshoots. There were a bunch of things that rewrites, and they were like, this is going to be a nightmare. And it wasn't. And it's a rare example, and people use that example all the time. Do I think that this is a World War Z scenario? We're like, oh, they made a really great thing.

No, but they didn't make a disaster. Sure. And so whatever they did, I think that they did right, because they fixed, maybe it was just a bunch of it was terrible. It's not terrible. No. Maybe that's the thing if you saw the product and realized maybe it was really bad.

Remember, there were rumors they weren't even going to air this. We had heard that long time ago. And then they got it to a place where like, because if we were working on something and we're like, dude, we have to put this out. We can't put this out. And Marvel's under so much of us spotlight right now. And then we came back. But then you came back and you made this. But if you came back and you made this.

Yeah. And you would say, you would say, this is good. Yeah, we can put this out. Absolutely. And we can drop it all at one. It's the one good story. Is it the best thing we ever made? No, but it's a good story and it works.

Sports analogy number two. Damn, the season's going to the toilet. At least we made the playoffs. That's right. You get that reference, right? There you go. Surface level sports reference. And even more.

They didn't come in last. Exactly. They didn't come in last. Because they've been coming in last on the public opinion. Even if their box office has been good. This is better for them. You don't have to be faster than the lion. You just got to be faster than everybody else.

At least not the slowest guy. Yeah, this was faster than the slowest guy. Yeah. Well, if you guys, what did you think so far? You know, did you think that they did a pretty good job? Did you like this show? If you didn't like it, is it because you thought it just wasn't good at all? Or he was just kind of, eh?

You know, I understand that. I understand the, I don't know, it was fine, more so than it was bad. That one I don't get as much because, like, there hasn't been a lot of bad shows that have come out. And I just don't think this is part of that. All right, the big news that I kind of led with, we wind up talking about this one for longer than I thought we would, but Fantastic Four. Here's the news. Fantastic Four, filming reportedly is delayed. Pedro Pescal exits weapons to clear his schedule. Marvel Studios' Fantastic Four reboot was originally scheduled to begin shooting this April, but a new report claiming that the filming is now being pushed to later in the year.

Mark Cassidy says previous reports have indicated that cameras were set to begin rolling on Marvel Studios Fantastic Four reboot around 8. April, but it seems that the production has been hit with a delay, which could ultimately lead to the movie's May 2025 release date being pushed back. Jeff Snyder says filming won't get underway until Q3 between July and September, and he believes a release date probably imminent. In addition, Pedro Pescal, who is now said to be a lock to play Reed Richards, has been forced to drop out of Barbarian director Zach Krieger's new horror film weapons in order to clear his schedule for Fantastic Four. Still waiting for that official cast announcement, but that's looking highly likely that Pascal will be joined by Vanessa Kirby as Sue Storm,

Joseph Quinn as Johnny Storm, Eben Moss Barak, as Ben Grimm, and there are rumors. No way. Oh, yeah, he's my favorite casting of all that. I remember the rumor. I think part of what it was is we did talk about that before. I only am about to finish the bear right now. Oh, he's so good. He's such a perfect.

I just watch Forks. Oh, no, no, no, I just watched. I watch Fish's. I watch Fish's. I love him in Forks. Like, Fish's is incredible, but I love him in his race. He's the lead of Forks. Like, that's his episode.

Right, right, right. So, oh, dude, I'm so excited. Sorry. No, I was as excited as you were when I was, because I was watching. I was into season two, and that rumor was, was out there. There are rumors that Killian Murphy and Mads Miklson are top picks to play Dr. Doom, which host Christian Harlov hates both of those choices. but other actors are sure to be in contention.

So, is that it? Nope, the team's most prolific foe is not expected to have a significant role in the reboot. In fact, he might only show up in the post-credit scene, but the villain could well emerge as the big new bed of the MCU, especially after the news that Marvel has decided to part ways with Kang actor Jonathan Majors. Several well-placed sources have claimed that Doom will be one of the main villains in Secret Wars. Javier Bardem is said to be the top choice for Galactus,

but his schedule may prevent him from signing on. The Eater of World's Herald is believed to be Silver Surfer, but a female take on the character. A recent rumor claimed that Anya Tyler Joy is being eyed for that role, and the fans embraced it. Okay. They did passionately. So much.

Look, real quick, since I was just thrown out there, I think hearing that at first, as far as like, oh, they're going to do a female take on silver, yes, it exists. I was like, not necessarily need to, but the minute you mention Anya Taylor Joy, I was like, actually, I could be okay with that. There are exceptions to every role where you go, like, I don't necessarily need this to happen. She's so other role, but she's so cosmic alien vibe.

I feel like for that, for that. It's like, okay, just show me what's the role? How does it play in? I don't mind. Whatever. As far as, look, I love Killinghamerfrey. I was so excited that he won for Golden Globes. He just played Dr. Doom.

He just played. I don't need, I don't need him to play Dr. Doom. I don't think he fits the role of Dr. Dune. I don't either. I don't at all. And I certainly think Mads Mikkelson is the worst choice. Bring back Casilius? Why do I think he's, what are you talking about?

Mads McIllonsons is the best. Hell yeah, he's the best. He was in the MCU already. Yeah. He was already in Dr. Strange. Stop. There's more actors out there. There are more actors out there, and you have a better chance.

Get somebody else. Don't need Mads Mickelson again to play every villain in every Disney movie. He's in Indiana Jones. He's in that. Stop it with Mads Mikulsin. It's a terrible choice. And I love Mads Mikulsen. You don't need him in more Marvel movies.

Killeemey Murphy, it's one of those things that they cast them. It's terrible. He's freaking, could have been an Oscar-winning actor? Yeah, by the end of the year. By the end of the year. Love him, but he just doesn't fit. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's a situation where, like, you could look, okay, let me find something other than a sport

because I literally was going to go. Oh, for three. He's going for three today. I was going for a third one today. I was just going to say, it's like, this is one of the greatest shooters of all time. I need someone to play defense. I'm like, what are you? No, one of the best

Home Run hitters we've ever seen. I need a pitcher. Like, I just, I don't... I think his eyes would look awesome peering out of the mask and I think that he's got presence, but I, and this might be heightest or something that someone will claim

I'm being inappropriate about, but I think his presence is, though, larger than life, he's still a slight man. And I think that, like, no matter how you shoot, you can shoot Tom Hardy taller than he is, you can shoot certain actors tall and they are, there's a beautiful elegance. Quiet calm about him.

Yeah, there's a beautiful elegance to his movement that is quaint. He's smaller. And I think that isn't due. Vecna. Yeah. Whoever that actor is. Vecna would be great.

I think that the problem is with, because I'm thinking him, Ryan Gosling, the problem is because I cast, the Pedro Pascall, that'd be closer in age for peers. And that kid, that Jamie Bauer, so Jamie Campbell Bauer.

Yeah, so that kid, he's, he can't even 30 years old, that guy. Well, you know, this is going to be controversial, and some of y'all might not agree with me. Ralph Biscuit. Ralph Biscuits would cry. No, just Biscuits.

Biscuits. The echo origin twist. If that's the big twist, that Biscuits was Doom. After betrayed by Kingpin, he becomes Dr. Dume. Dr. Biscuits. This is sound controversial? But, oh my God, I just forgot that same. Joseph Gordon Levitt.

Oh, see, he's my read. Not anymore. But him and Pedro. I actually would, I think that he would actually do an incredible job at D. He's also got a slightness to him, though. Even though Don Johnny put on the muscle, he always carries himself like a smaller guy. And there's also that thing because he always kind of plays that nerd a little bit.

You can see the slight that he would feel from. That's why I like him is read, but I know Pedro it seems like, especially if they're moving in for him. And I also don't like that casting too. I love Peter Pascal. But it's the other thing with that Pedro Piscall casting is, you better put every,

if you're going to Vegas and it's out there, him being having a major role in that Mandalorian movie with the, Or as I say, Mandalorian and Grogu. That's the name of that title. It definitely is. But it's the Groco movie. But if he's in that movie,

it's a quick cameo like he did. It's his voice the entire time. Because some people are like, well, they're going to definitely need him. No, that movie goes into production this year. Yeah.

And no chance. So, yeah, guarantee. You heard his arm doing stunts and training for Fantastic Four? The question is whether or not he's going to have enough time to do any of this stuff. And like I said,

I think he's great. but it's kind of, although he's not been cast in a Marvel thing before, he's in everything. It's funny because Pedro Pascal on any other list, I'd be elated. Killing and Murphy on any other list, I'd be elated. Vanessa Kirby in any other list, I'd be elated. I love her for it, but depends on who their read is. Because it's chemistry. Sure, sure, sure.

I can't put her with Pedro in my mind yet. Obviously, I trust the cast director. Obviously, I'm excited to see it. But when I think of this cast, the family's so important, I can't picture them together yet. So I think that this list on paper, I'm way more excited about them when I actually sit and think about it. And I think Killian Murphy is literally one of my favorite actors of all time. He's one of my favorite actors alive right now. I still don't quite see it just because of how intimidating I see him as physically.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What do you got? What do you got? Colin Firth. Who? As do you're talking. I'm talking, that's Kingsman, right?

That's the same Colin Firth. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think 60 years old. Yeah, I was like, isn't he like 20 years on Pedro? Okay, but it doesn't matter. He doesn't look that old. He doesn't look that old.

63 years old. How old is Pedro? How old is like 46? 5.46. That's about the same and wiping me in. You know, let's put Anthony Hopkins in there. We do crack. What are you talking about?

That man's got two good years left and a, we fall down hard now. Can we just put Anthony Hopkins in there? Yeah, yeah, might as well. He's got a great voice in present. They just resurrected George Cronlin. Sean Connery's coming back and he's going to be doctoring to. No, we crack hard, Winston. That's fine.

I just, I literally was just, It's time you're fantastic four. I'm gonna get she's all. 80-year-old Samuel Jackson is moving much better than he's 63-year-old white guy at this point. Put him in the suit. It's just how it goes. They might as well. Might as well.

If the Mads is well for it. It's multiverse. I think Marvel's casting is, um, is compared to like, You look at James Gunn to me is a casting wizard. He really is. He's a casting wizard. And I think compared to Marvel, they don't know how to. Case 1 through 3 Marvel, I would argue.

Because if you look at what the magic of what they had to do, they had to plan 10 years in advance and they had to look at chemistry going forward with all these people that weren't going to be in movies together yet. Like that first phase especially, you have four disparate movies leading to five. They had to have their chemistry mastered to hope that would ever exist. So I would say that it was. exceptional and now it's great but it's not to me what it was totally um all right so like i said it's got to be a shorter show today but i uh i want to get into this i mentioned james gunn and i want

to talk to you guys about this super super girl supergirl casting supergirl milia alcock and amelia jones and meg donnelly in the mix to play the woman of tomorrow recent rumors indicated that the flash actress sasha kai would be repriding the role of kara for the plan dc reboot and now we confirmation that DC Studios will soon begin the search to find our woman of tomorrow. According to deadline, screen tests will get underway next month. Milly Alcock, Amelia Jones, and Meg Donnelly are in the mix, although the reports mentioned there is a chance that the studio could make a straight offer to a movie store. DC Studios James Gunn is involved in the casting process, as the trade also confirms this new take

of Girl of Steel will make her debut in an earlier DCU project, which means there's a decent chance the character will show up in Superman Legacy. The search for a director to Helm Woman of Tomorrow is ongoing. all right so we'll get into just the casting into those three that's why I'm throwing off because I literally thought for a second did Amelia Clark get married and changed her last time

I didn't realize it they're taking her out of secret evasion I also was because I was then looking at the photo of the Amelia Jones that you yeah yeah because she's she's the one that's in House of the Dragon no no no that's Millie Alcock is that's Millie Alcock

okay so I guess that's why I was confused I heard Amelia Jones thought that maybe she married somebody either with the last name of Jones and because Millie Alcock looks so much like Amelia Clark which it did on purpose because they need to look like family like being descendants of each other. That all makes more sense now

and I know exactly who that is. So Meg Donnelly to me out of the three look wise. Again, this is the same conversation we had about Superman. Yeah. I didn't know anything about David Corrin's what I said the look. And as what have I seen? And as far as the look goes,

she's got a great look. My pick is Isabel May from 1883. I remember you said that. She to me is because also, I also very familiar with her her acting. And she's a phenomenal, phenomenal

actress. What has she been in? She was in 1883. Oh, you just said that, okay. She was in a couple other things, though, too. I like Millie Alcock because she's got that alienness, that otherworldliness and she's so talented. Like I see it.

Just back to what you were talking about with Killian. she's, she's just, to me, she seems so petite. Yeah, yeah. And there's a warriorness to Supergirl that, I mean, she's got a warrior to be a small warrior. A hundred percent, you could. But there's a physical presence to Dr. Doom that I just, I think is so important.

Yeah. Millianukuk was fantastic. Yeah, truly. House of the Dragons. Fantastic. Had it not been for the fact that they also had a, you know, the transition into when the character's older also played just phenomenal. So like it just, because people were, I don't want Mili Alcock to go.

I don't want her to leave. Yeah, and that's such incredible. Then everyone was incredible. So I think that, yeah, I mean, it depends on, look, this is what I just said, going into this. I trust James Gunn's casting. Sure. So if these are the three, they're like, okay, this is, the, I don't know what I'm looking for.

And at the end of the day, I trust Marvel's casting, too, to the point where I'm thinking about Killian and thinking about all my issues. But at the end of the day, how they shoot him, like, he's so mentally intimidating. All of his gestures, his eyes are so piercing. I could totally go for it. I just want to see it before I feel connected to it. Same with Millie Alcock. I think I would just like, oh yeah, that makes sense.

Now show me. As far as look goes for me, the look, I think that of the three that they are up right now, Meg Donnelly has the best look as far as Super Girl, again, for me. But what do you say? Out of those three, and is there anyone else that you could see? That's the thing. I was trying to go through all the media. And that's the problem when you watch so much at a time, it's hard to process it.

all. You know, I don't want this to happen because she is already playing a pretty prominent superhero, but the actress that plays Starlight, I actually think, would, would, like, gives me the look pretty well. But she's already doing something to the voice. So you don't, there's no point in trying to redo that. But if, if I had to pick the ones you said, I would go with Millie Alcock again just because of the House of the Dragon performance, I got enough to go, yeah, You're more familiar with her, for sure. But the other question I had for you is that they mentioned that Warner Bros. might just go straight out to a movie star.

Who's the movie star? Jennifer Lawrence? If you're going to do that, then you try and convince Florence Pugh to be in both universes, I think, because she fits it a little bit more than Jennifer Lawrence does. Really? A little bit, yeah. Yeah, she's the age. I mean, maybe age-wise, but look-wise?

I don't know. Yeah, I'm just, I think Florence Pugh's a great actress. I just, I don't get the high. hype. I think she's a great actress. Great actress. And she's also in Marvel. She's also in the MCU right now. No, no, no, I understand that. That's what I'm saying is if you want to do both. That's the question is, do you actually want to go down that path and do both of them? And that's a lot to do. So probably not because she is with her, did she end up winning the Oscar? No, she just got nominated, right? I don't remember. But is she a major, would you say she's a major movie star yet?

Oh, yeah, dude. I don't know. I can't think of a lot of people between 20 and 30 that are major movie stars right now for some reason Jennifer Lawrence is a movie star whether or not her I don't think I think she's a movie star it's Jennifer of like those kind of leading ladies of that age at this point is Jennifer Lawrence Emma Stone and honestly Florence Pugh she's that

she's kind of that she's if this is a Drake Kendrick J. Cole situation Florence Pugh is at this point become the J. Cole so Jennifer Lawrence is by far and away the Drake yeah she's the very like she makes the jokes everywhere whatever then Emma Stone is out here

being Kendrick where yeah Emily Blunt's a little older than She's a little older but I'm just saying on that You're saying on that age wise. The three of them in that age range Yeah I mean yeah I mean look it does I don't I don't know who the major movie star is that they would go after Yeah, so I'm thinking there's not a lot in that generation that is is a movie star because we just don't have that type of sensibility about Movies right now Oh my god they better not cast Taylor Swift

No, they wouldn't do that She's dazzling and she's gonna be in Deadpool That's fair we didn't get a chance to cover everything today because again like I said I got a I have an interview you with Ian McShane that I'm going to be doing and that's going to air either this Monday or next Monday and I have a feeling you guys will forgive me for cutting this the show short because of so. I'd like to thank my co-host today both Coy Jondro and Winston. Coy, you were on time. What is we're going to see? Yeah, early today. First time, first Mike. I can find me at Coy Jondro on YouTube, TikTok, Twitter, Instagram, and I just put up

my top 24 most anticipated of 2024 as of this morning Friday. So check it up. Winston. I mean, I to be fair to Koi is always the one holding up the caboose here. You can find me at the Swaggy Blur on all the platforms, man, breakfast, A.M. News. You see, game time. We're going to hop into the playoffs. So definitely come and check out with me and Roka on Tuesdays. And that's it for right now. All right, guys. So thank you. Once again, Apple Podcast, Spotify, anywhere podcasts are found. You're brand new to the show. Click that button, subscribe to the channel, and we'll see you next time. Bye.