The Kristian Harloff Show - Fantastic Four Eyes 110 Million Opening Weekend! Plus Early Glowing Reviews!

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

Get 60% off the Magic Mind offer with my link https://magicmind.com/khmf or by scanning the QR code on screen. #magicmind #mentalwealth #mentalperformance The Fantastic Four: First Steps is already generating major buzz! Early glowing reviews are in, and the film is currently tracking for a massive $110 million opening weekend. On today's episode of The Kristian Harloff Show, we break down the first reactions to Marvel's newest reboot, discuss the Fantastic Four: First Steps soundtrack, and talk about what this could mean for the future of the MCU. But that's not all—we're covering the biggest stories in movies, TV, and comic book news: TOPICS INCLUDE: DC Studios may be looking for a TV actress to play Wonder Woman—plus an update on the Bane & Deathstroke movie. The Punisher special officially begins filming. Taika Waititi is set to direct a new "Dredd" film. A live-action Captain Planet series is in the works! Superman director James Gunn explains why he "killed" a previously greenlit DCU movie, saying bluntly: "We know it's not good." The Fantastic Four: First Steps eyes a $110M opening as glowing first reactions and a killer soundtrack drop. Invincible gets an early Season 5 renewal, and Matthew Rhys joins Season 4's voice cast—is he playing Thragg? Join Kristian Harloff for all the latest movie news, comic book updates, and reactions! #FantasticFour #MCU #DCStudios #TheKristianHarloffShow #MovieNews #SuperheroMovies #Invincible #CaptainPlanet #ThePunisher #TaikaWaititi #JamesGunn #Deathstroke #Bane #WonderWoman #ComicBookMovies #FirstSteps #Marvel #Dredd #MatthewRhys #Thragg #TheFantasticFour TRADE COLD BREW: Get 50% off 1 month of cold brew with Trade" at https://www.drinktrade.com/KRISTIAN TURTLE BEACH: Head to https://www.TurtleBeach.com and use code KRISTIAN for 10% off your entire order.  That's 10% off your order at https://www.TurtleBeach.com with promo code KRISTIAN. After you purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. PLEASE support our show and tell them we sent you. Get the ultimate immersive gaming experience with Turtle Beach today.  HYDROW: Skip the gym, not the workout—stay on track with Hydrow! For a limited time go to https://www.hydrow.com and use code KRISTIAN to save up to $450 off your Hydrow Pro Rower! That's https://www.hydrow.com code KRISTIAN to save up to $450. Come see us live in New York!

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2025 IRS, that's for goodness. Now has open enrollment. I've had enough of the both of you already. We haven't even started. Welcome back, everybody, to Capes and Cowles, Chaos Edition. It is a good show here today. Lots of stuff that we get going on. Fantastic Four is already tracking, looking like it's doing decent numbers.

Wonder how people are feeling about the numbers that it's getting. How is it going to do? But the buzz behind it seems to be decent. So we'll discuss that. We got some news on Wonder Woman. Apparently, the update is that they're looking for. for a TV actress. Does that put Adrian Arjona in contention?

The Punisher, the new special begins filming. Taiko Atini is going to do a dread movie. We got so much to talk about. And Coy Gendro back with the show today. And I was wrong about Coy. I was wrong. And I'll admit it to him. I said

last week that he was one of the good ones when it came into coming early. He showed up about a minute before we went live. Winston was in 10 minutes today. early. So Winston is in the good graces today. Roy sucks. I'm just kidding. Coe's great. So let's get into it, everybody. This is the Capes and Cows. Krishnardov Show. Let's get into it. Kuhl.

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the show. It's a Christian Arloff show. It's Friday, Capes and Cows, baby. We haven't been able to do a full-on capes and cows in a little bit. It's been me and Winston holding down the Ford. There's Winston A. Marshall. because this character's been busy. Coy, John Joe, who doesn't show up,

everybody thinks we got, we got beef. We don't have beef. They thought you had beef? I got scheduling beef. Scheduling beef. Where is the beef? That's,

they should bring that commercial back. Anyway, it's good and I have a space connection. Well, I won't be. I'll be more focused in a second.

You know what? Let's just get into it, guys. Let's do it. We'll talk about it right away. I'll be focused, and why will I be focused? Because I've touched you so many different times.

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Whirlwind. I know. Loading a film is somehow more exhausting than watching one. No, I've had a great journey with Superman. It's been a very predictable sudden realization of people that, you know, working at D.C. And they're calling my integrity into question. But it has been a really beautiful thing to have a movie that I was so heavily anticipating actually be something I loved. The joy and pure glee that I got every time I've seen the film three times.

Every time I watch the movie, it is like euphoria. It's what I hoped I would have. So it's been really wonderful. It's been the opposite of being on the internet, which I continue to doubt is sustainable. So I love the film and I'm really excited to talk at least some with you guys about it. I know we're kind of out of that window, but I had a hell of it. Yeah. This is what I would say.

I think we've noticed this recently. And I think and I saw a few of our friends, mutual friends and things too. I think it is really, really tough for people because I saw people who are who we both know. They're saying like when they're watching the movie, they're thinking about social media reactions. And I'm like, that's, I feel so bad that that's where they're at. And it's like, I've been able to just separate that stuff completely. I don't pay attention to any of it. I'm hardly on Twitter, maybe ever, just post stuff in general.

And I like to have the conversation with the audience that we're having here, too. I think that the fact that that's going to take away from, you know, your experience, I think that you need to shut down from social media for a bit. If social media is in your head that much about it, you need to just get away. It's more the internet at large, like even like just now, like someone asking in the chat, Like you work for DC is not a conflict of interest. It would be if they didn't say I could say what I wanted. So it's more about just the ability to have other people that I don't know talk to me that I don't like.

Yeah, fair enough. Like the public. You know what's funny is that I saw your explanation. And Winston and I talked about it last week because, again, I don't want to hammer it down because the audience knows right now. I'm just not on board with the Supergirl thing yet. but hearing you hearing Winston hearing Chris Carr explain about what the storyline is I could very much go back into that scene and go oh okay that makes sense but me for me me it didn't the the the Supergirl scene this didn't work for me at all that's that's the

part that's hard and I've obviously I quite didn't get to see your reaction specifically about Supergirl but that that's the part that's hard that like for those of us that are directly connected to the content like that it kind of falls in the same same camp as a lot of the movie of like this is a comic book officiantado's movie like it put so much in there and was so true to a lot of the stuff it i can understand christian how it could be somewhat off-putting if you are not aware of that's just how the character is and then there's a massive amount of growth through the woman of tomorrow storyline so coy i'm just curious what your thoughts were and and kind of how you i guess christian was saying you were explaining in another video no it was the same thing you guys said but

as a like reference it's like boy has reference and new you could tell like he knows he said this is the perfect i know right where that leads into so for him if i if i had the kind of knowledge that koi had for that storyline i probably would love the scene actually a perfect comp for me was you mentioned someone in i think it was uh the acolyte like a like a like a character that like appeared like a oh plagueus yeah yeah yeah like that guy popped up and you were like oh and i was like boogie man guy. Right. Right.

Where I was like, that's exciting for some people. I think what's difficult is, I think her introduction is such a great nature, nurture commentary. And I think that's what Supergirl can be. I think when they originally wrote Supergirl, it was actually more of what people have a problem with in today's

like complaining about woke society is they made Supergirl just Superman, but a lady. And for a long time, it was all the things that people complain about in our pop culture. So instead of doing that, They're trying to ensure she is her own character by making her one of the more extreme takes on the character. But in doing that, a lot of people that don't have exposure haven't seen the film yet are going like, why would she be drunk?

And those elements I also totally understand. But I think it's a lot healthier to lean into the difference in Clark and Kara is one got to no Krypton and lost it. One literally never knew what they lost. And one was actually raised by people in an environment that wouldn't be as conducive to Earth. one was raised on a farm in Kansas. So I think the more you can make them feel different, the better. So I personally love the scene with the context, but also with what they're doing by having Superman make choices.

That whole speech from Hawken about choice. That continues into Cara. It also is elaborating on why, you know, crypto is such a mutt that doesn't behave. Like they set up that scene throughout the film through crypto and then they're separating Clark a bit more. But if you don't know the character in that format, I could see the context of that's not my super girl being a thing but once it's explained hopefully people get on board yeah and i wouldn't even go that far as far as saying she's not my super i don't i don't i don't have enough uh game tape to say she's not

i i just i just need to i'm just telling it was just off-putting i'm just telling initial thing like i love her i think she's a great actress i just i people and people just misread it when i when i were saying oh you don't think she should be troubled i said i never said that once i said i haven't seen the story that they're about to present especially with the director that they're going to bring it in i really like him a lot too so to see what the story is i said many times over I could go back, revisit that scene after having the reference of the film and go, oh, well, that makes a lot of sense now to me. But because all the people who are defending it, at least in these comments, are people who are

familiar with the story and are familiar with where she's going. So we'll see. But Superman is in the rear view right now. It's in the rear view at the moment. It's going to have a week two. And I'm telling you right now, I say, because I don't know if you guys know, but I have a, well, we'll talk first of all, bring up Roka because that's who you guys are chasing. And you guys are the last ones on the board to try to beat Roka.

He has 137 right now. You guys are already at 19, which is good. I've deemed Brett and Chris Carr the bad news bears of this. Oh, damn. But you guys right now are at 19, former champions looking to try to get a win over Roka this week. So we'll see if that happens. But speaking of Roka, we had all discussed many times over the box office stuff that was happening with what we thought of the big three in July. live, right? I have been, as you guys

know, adamant that I thought the Jurassic World was going to be probably the winner overall because of the international clout the dinosaurs at. Roka and I bet two weeks ago that Jurassic World wouldn't even clear 700. And I said, you want to go double or nothing?

Because he already owed me a steak dinner. So Roker is about to owe me a steak dinner because another one, too. Dude, come on, Roca. Because that is easily going to make another 25 to 30 they're saying the drop off is so small.

We've got to see what Superman's box office is because this is Superman's last weekend to really make a big dent because after Fantastic 4, it's competing business. Do you agree, Winston? Yeah, they got to go now, especially just because it sounds like people are pretty amped up about Fantastic 4. I mean, that's the whole thing. It's like Superman has done well, you know, and the movie. is good. You know, there are competing opinions about that one way or the other, but if they want to even

sniff 750, they've got to go ham this weekend. And the one thing I think working in their favor, though, people will still go see Jurassic World, but even with the, hey, it's dinosaurs. You know, I can't speak to international, at least domestically, everybody that I know

that's not in the movie space that went to see it was like, bro, there's like no dinosaurs in it. I still haven't I don't want to see it. I don't want to see it. But that people have been like, they're in there for like five minutes. I don't even like this. So maybe it'll slow down.

I don't know. I think you'll still beat Roka, but I think that that might help Superman get a little bit more this week. Domestically, but internationally, Superman is cooked as far as, as far as internationally goes. There's just, it just didn't, it just didn't hit you. We went over the numbers. It did, like, in China, I think it did like, 6 million or something like that in China. or something like that in China, seven million, something small.

That's it. Grasso did like 60 or something. So it was, yeah, it did really, it did not do well internationally. It's domestic where Superman's going to continue to make its money. But Koi, Fantastic Four. It's right around the corner. Are you

hearing anything about the movie? Any buzzed about it at all? I've heard it has some third act issue, not issues, polarization. I hear some people love the third act, some people don't. So polarization, I think, is a better way to express it. But I'm curious what that means for, you know, setting up Doomsday, if that's what it is. I haven't seen the film yet, but everyone I know that's seen it has been like odd little bit at the end there. And some people are like, and some people are worried how it's going to translate. My main thing is, with the movie being so important, will it do what Thunderbolts couldn't, which is be both good and a box office success? I think it could be a big box office success, but will it be the movie that some of the trailers has like,

it feels so big and it feels like it could be so incredible, but then I hear stuff and I'm like, I don't feel that event fervor like I used to with summer Marvel movies, and I want to. I want to walk out of the theater feeling like I'm not feeling right now walking into the theater. That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense.

I've heard, you know, there's only been, and we'll get to the first reactions, everything. Let's just bring it up now because there's a couple of people. I mean, I think it was Robert Meyer and Burnett, actually, who said he had heard some stuff about it. But like, here is the article right now, comic book movie. And they're talking about Fantastic Four First Steps to Ice 110 opening as glowing first reactions arrive alongside the soundtrack. Fantastic Four First Steps is fast approaching.

And as analysts predict a 110 million start for Marvel's first family at the domestic box office, we have some early reactions and the whole soundtrack. Stop that. The Fantastic Four First Steps arrives in theaters next weekend and, According to deadline, the next Marvel Studios movie is currently eyeing a $100 million to 110 star. Trade puts it, I keep hearing, oh, Disney is nervous, but the stats look good. With 13 million pre-sales as of Monday, Fantastic Four is pacing ahead of the pre-sales for Thunderbolts, which was 74.3. And Captain America, Brave New World at 88.8 in a three-day and 20% behind Superman, which came in at 125. So for those who care about that kind of thing,

it does disappear that Superman's domestic opening will be bigger than Fantastic Four First Steps. Marvel Studios has a week to give the movie a final push, and the MCU is likely to perform better than Superman overseas. So we'll see what happens. First critic reactions for the Fantastic Four First Steps arrived late on Monday, but film pundit Robert Meyer-Burnett has shared on X. So my buddy in distribution saw the movie today, and he loved it.

The film is completely self-contained in its own universe. The opening 10 minutes will leave. comic readers with a huge smile on their faces, he said, all the cast were great, and he reluctantly admitted Pedro is read. His account was backed up by at Uri and Non who wrote, so I've followed up on this and heard back from a couple of people who've also seen the final cut, and yeah, I heard pretty much the same thing as R&B. Everybody seems to really like it, notably even those that aren't big comic book fans. That's the four first steps is picture lock, so TV spots have started to showing updated finished scenes, yada, yada, yada. I don't really want to look at the soundtrack thing because

sometimes it gives away stuff. Sometimes it doesn't, but I don't want to do it. Anyway, so what do you got? I just, you know, I, most people know that I've been gone this week to check on my dad, so I didn't get a chance to finish editing my Fantastic Four video, but based off of even some of what Koi was saying, some of that article, I think that my theory video is probably spot on and I'm very excited for it. So I'm hoping to get that done by tomorrow. If not, y'all, it will be out first thing Monday. Check it out before

all of the screenings happen and you get all those. I think I've got this nailed to a T, honestly. I'll tell you got nailed to a T is somebody at a Coldplay concert. All right, so. Hey, Christian, please tell me you saw that tweet that said

Colplay hasn't made a single in years and they just made two last night. I saw that. How dare they blame him? Dude. Yeah. He's trying to be like, can you just let us have a private moment?

Can you not notice that the Jumbotron is on? You dump? By the way, he's like, he's like, look at this loving couple, dancing to my music. He was being sweet.

Like, he wasn't trying to also like have a private moment at a 10,000 person section of 100,000 person. Bro, if you hear they blame him. Do you understand that there are entire hotels that devote themselves and if you want to go be sketch? Also,

that dude made enough money. He probably could have, paid cold plate to come and play for the two of them is the definition of what they call in most parts of the world an imbecile is a mole he's a bill he's a former billionaire former billionaire his wife uh soon to be ex-wife is a current billionaire what a buffoon dude an absolute buffoon dude and the best part is somebody is saying because you know that the girl sitting next to him who was cheeson. That's actually, that's the VP of HR.

She had just gotten promoted from the woman that was there. I got a promotion. Yeah. Well, no, no, no. She just got promoted to VP. Oh, she knew she got promoted to president. Probably, but someone was saying they think the only reason, because this, I guess, happens sometimes in corporate spheres,

the only reason that they brought just her because she already knew all that is that they were trying to get her to join the two of them that night, too. It's the room going around. It sounds like a human resources problem and solution. A whole lot of human resourcing. Hey, man, Chief People officer. Bad hiring on the HR department there. Anyway, I don't even know how the hell we got down that road.

But nonetheless, I think we were talking about fantastic for it, talking about what's going on with that movie as far as what we hear. As Corey said, he heard from some people that didn't think it was that great. At the end, the end. Then they had that Brazilian Comic-Con, I think it was, where the first 30 minutes, everybody says like some of the best stuff they've seen since end game.

I have heard that. I've heard the beginning is astounding. And especially like the opening sequence I hear is the greatest. Okay. So that's, I mean, that's encouraging, right?

So alone. And when do you guys see it? Monday. I see it on Monday as well. I see it on Thursday. So I'm seeing it on Monday. I'm seeing it. I think,

Coy, your time, 3 p.m. But the social embargo lifts like at like midnight, my time. So, yeah, the premiere screening,

starts at 8 so I think the social embargo is when that ends at 10 p.m. That makes sense. So, be interesting to see what the first reactions are for that film. I'm taking Matt Serra with me. Nice. I saw him. I saw his guerrillo interview. I was pretty solid.

Yeah, it's pretty solid. Grill in the jacuzzi? Yeah, just vibes in, man. I love those, too. He had blown out his shoulder or something. That's why he was in the, or something. He had heard, I don't know if he was, he was he was like literally boxing after the premiere. and like, yeah, recovery. I love that.

He's the best. Well, anyway, so I think that, I think 115 is pretty accurate, right? I think what we're looking at here, and I think that, and I also think what they said, I think internationally, I think this movie is going to do better than Superman.

I think domestically, though, it's going to be on par. I think, I don't, I just don't think Marvel has the firepower that it used to, with or without Pedro, Biscale, which I think is going to help. But, Coy, I don't know. Do you think domestically, this

is going to do pretty well? I think it's going to do pretty well. I think I don't think it's going to be Marvel numbers of a bygone era. I do think we're in a different expectation phase, and I think we should be in a new expectation phase between the pandemic and the strikes and the way people go

to the movies, that has changed. I think it's really tricky to compare any box office numbers to 20, 22, much less 2018. Every chunk of time has markedly shifted box office. So I'm excited for Fantastic 4. I'm going to compare it to a post-pandemic number set. But I think it's going to do well in that comp. I think it's going to do domestically, as you said, probably about as well as Superman. It is weird that it doesn't feel like it felt more like an event when it was ramping up than now. Like I don't have that like,

oh my God, I'm seeing a Marvel movie on Monday. But I also feel like once I'm there, it's going to be that like pure journal and hype. It's just marketing this one's been tricky. I've also heard the last two weeks of marketing they've just given away the cow. So I've stopped watching anything. Like I don't want to know the end of the movie and apparently the marketing's turned to that mode. So I'm curious how that translates because I know a lot of people love that. Like a lot of people love spoilers. So maybe they're kind of, I think they're kind of counting on the TikTokers to get them over the finish line by being like, this means this, this means this. And I don't know if that gamble is going to work if it cost them the movie. What do you think, Winston?

I think Khoiss hit something in particular that, yeah, I know that we are past the previous era of, you know, inconsistency, but I don't think that we've gotten to a place yet of trust. So I think that if it truly is good, especially with a property that's a little more known and respected than the Thunderbolts, no disrespect to them, but obviously people didn't really know that team very well. Plus, you've got, you know, not to say that I don't love Fornes Pugh and David Harbour and all that kind of stuff, but you also have a bona fide movie star in Pedro Pascal, at least at this point, he's crossed that threshold. Yeah. I think all of that collectively gears them up to do well, but you need that to then write the ship and really feel like we're on the right track. Because even for the stuff that did well this year, there were other things because they were still kind of purging what was left, dragging it down. So like I personally liked Iron Heart. I know some people didn't, but I know that that feels like it was dragging things down a little bit.

Like some people really like Brave New World. A lot of people didn't. That was kind of dragging things down. So I just think now that we are kind of free and clear, you need a little bit of consistency to be like, okay, baby, Marvel is truly back. And then I think that hype of, it's time, it's go time will finally be here again. And that's just it. We haven't had the consistency yet to just be like, yep, that's a bankable thing. Yeah, I think we get a, I mean, at least Marvel gets a quality win for me.

If this movie is as good story-wise and if I'm as invested as I was in Thunderbolts, because I would just be back-to-back and showing since the quality-over-quantity thing since they started that because we're, I mean, I'm watching, it was Sam and I right now, we just finished Loki season two and then we just, we ended Loki season two yesterday, and then we went right into the Marvels right after that. It was as painful as I remembered it to be. and even worse. Jesus.

And I'll tell you this. I didn't say a word. I made it seem like, oh, man, I'm having fun with this one as I'm watching it. I didn't have the window locked. Sam would have jumped right out of it. And, but either way, that was where they were. And then I started to jump back a little bit more.

And I think they're starting to write the ship. And as we've all said, the three of us were all, most excited about Superman this year for sure and that's because cause the D. Shee Show. Yeah, I have to be. I've actually got a tattoo that I had to be the most excited about. When Supergirl comes out I got to add to the tattoo. It's going to get really dangerous. Yeah, you cross out Spider-Man and you see it. Oh God, so painful every summer, every June July. That's it. So, but either way, you know,

it's, I have seen the trailers for this one and I've been a little bit more interested in it opposite to koi i think koi is but it is a little more more with the more i see but i'm i'm still hopeful to be proven wrong like i love that i love the fantastic four so much and i love what marvel has more than not given me i think marvel is still batting 700 i just think they were batting 900 sports uh like five years ago so i think you know it's a little different expectation means it means seven out of 10 hits right maybe either way I do think there's a shot, though, that this movie, I think it's less likely that this movie underperforms the predictions

and more likely that it overperforms it. I will say that. I mean, it's funny because there was a last minute debate with Superman about them, you know, mainly Roka complaining about this, but the idea that Gunn was like, you know, we don't have to hit 750. Like, I think we put a good movie on and I think it'll do well. And I think what that was,

was both A, not be like, we've got a billion dollar movie here. So then you look like you have egg on your face, but then also B, is not because you thought the quality was bad? You just were, you were like, I am more excited to see people enjoy this art and let it let come what made. That doesn't mean the money wasn't important, but like focus on promoting it versus setting yourself up to for people to like come at you. Well, let's kind of go off the path of the box office and go more into the idea of what the story and the quality will be and how important it is. for them to really set up because this is, you know, it's right before the next Spider-Man movie,

but it's really not going to play too much into that movie, and more so this is really a setup for us to care about Doomsday. So, Koi, what do they need to do creatively to really get casual audiences and Marvel hardcore fans on board in this story to really lock them in? I think Marvel needs to establish a new set of varsity, like A-list players. I think this needs to be, We talk a lot about movie stars. We talk about opening movies.

We talk about the characters that are like A list versus B list. I think Marvel right now hedge their bets a bit on the brand being stronger than the awareness of the characters. And for a time that worked. I think that big red Marvel logo was a guaranteed hit for a time. And it was beautiful. And I loved it as a comic fan. It was amazing to talk to my grandma about Thanos. That was insane.

But there reached a point when I think because of bad management above Fagie, where they were basically, that piece of beautiful thick paper became tissue paper and got broken through like it wore down and now the characters have to be first and foremost because movie stars don't exist in the same way anymore it was a movie star era for a long time then there was this IP era and then for a little bit there was a studio recognition era we saw it with marvel we saw it with Pixar we saw it with 824 i think still there are spikes in it but the studio itself that name isn't as strong as the IP needs to be so i think what they need to do, they need to establish not only the F4 as the prominent, like, holy crap, but these individual characters within Doomsday all have to shine enough that they feel

like they bring their A team back because there aren't Avengers right now in a movie between movies. Like usually we have an Avengers moment. This kicks off phase six. This needs to be a huge swelling. If we didn't culminate in something because unfortunately Thunderbolts didn't do as well as it needed to, we need to launch with something. So creatively, I think all of these actors need to be revered to the point where it's exciting to see them and i think the movie needs to do very well as an event film and it does then we're golden and i hope it does what do wince you think that that marvel needs to create some rock stars out of the fantastic four i absolutely i mean we there is you know one of our videos that did pretty well as a short it's been what over a year

maybe two years or something where we were talking about marvel has doesn't have their their all-star team right now and they don't have their starters and i think that that's kind of what you you need is going into this like as much as again people like the Thunderbolts team the box office is enough to tell you that that's not enough of a draw. So you need the Fantastic

Four, which is a name that a lot of people globally truly know. You need people to go in here, have hopefully their expectations of, you know, the Fantastic Four movies of the past that have been, you know, okay at best, but typically subpar or bad. You need to be able

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I'm calling an audible. I was going to do a few other stories, but our mutual friend, our good buddy Josh Harowitz, texted me before the show went live and he said, listen, let you know, I'm dropping a James gun interview at 2 o'clock. And there's a lot of juicy bits in there.

And I said, perfect. We're doing capes and cows. So that's good. I'm going to start with this one. I haven't been watched it yet. So let's see if I can get I want to see if I can get you guys make sure I have you go. There we go. All right. So let's play this clip. This is about Batman. So I'll play this Batman clip. I don't know what it is knowing the year. Here we go. Matt Reeves did deliver the script. Yeah, we know we know you read it and you seem very pleased. I like it. So on track for that release date, we feel like now we're we're headed in the right direction. Oh yeah, for sure. We're headed in the right direction. So there's some things we still got to work out. But like it's it's, yeah, it's it's head in the night. right drag for sure so look we've had this conversation before but I'm going to bring up the batman DCU stuff like again so like obviously brave and the bold we know is being written and the DCU Batman is still intended to be a different Batman than Rob I guess my question is like timeline wise like how does this work like is there you I presume you wouldn't want to

release braving bold and the Batman 2 in the same calendar a year like starts to get a little confusing or no you tell me I mean to have a two Batman running around at the same time Probably not But Yeah, probably not No Probably not the same calendar year Yeah

Okay Do you, is Bravenbold when you think we'll see that Batman for the first time? I'm not going to say that Okay Have you gotten into casting yet In your head? No

Hmm Why are you winking at it? That's weird What do you think about the fans I'm talking about someone like Alan Richson. I am a big Alan Richland fan, both as an actor and as a guy. I,

let's just wait to see what happens. Okay, okay. I guess my only thing I'll say on that front, and no move on, I promise, is, again, and you can say anything you want or nothing at all. But like, when you're casting that role, it would seem to me you have to differentiate in some substantial way,

the take on Batman so it doesn't get confusing right like whether it's a different age a different vibe something is that in your head like when we get there's always going to be the case yeah what two batmans have the same vibe well cloney and kilmer that's fair okay okay i mean just because but they're the same director right you know what i mean so it's like it's dictated by the material in the take the material to take yeah of course the actors you know actors aren't important We're nothing else. No, listen, do I ever think about it? Sure, there's people out there I think about, but let's see where the script comes in.

Okay. It's not the furthest along thing. I mean, we have things that are much, much further along. Okay. Let's talk about the further along. Supergirls in the can. Supergirls in the can. Peace from it.

Oh, good place to take a break. Cool. All right. So good place for we'll go back in. But again, big interview there for Josh Horowitz as he's discussing that. Winston, what do you make of those comments? I think that a lot of stuff has decided, and I think that James Gunn got caught for like half a second of like, let me make sure I don't give too much of the farm away. It kind of read like certain things have been taken care of, but he genuinely is like, I need to be careful because that is not the game plan to talk about that right now.

So that's what that read to me personally. I don't know if you guys felt a little bit differently, but it feels. felt like I knew you were going to ask this, but I still got caught a little bit unprepared to not immediately divert. Why would you read from this? And what can you say? I read that it is the 167th confirmation of the year about Matt Reeves being separate. I'm glad that he's in a position now with the script being turned in to just be like,

as I've said, separate. Just because, you know, that is what I wanted as a fan was separate, but also what. what I want as someone that reports on this stuff, both on their set and on my own, I think it's very important to distinguish. Like, a rumor can go as far as you want someone to lie. But when you have someone that's actually in charge saying, like, this is how it's going to be, it just feels good to hear it with like periods. And I also think, you know, he is a script first director.

He's a script first producer. He's a script first overseer of the universe. I don't think he has anyone singularly in mind until the script is finished. And I think that is a much healthier way to cast than by having previs on a movie that isn't done yet like other studios do at times and putting actors faces in. And then you kind of wrap it around the actor. Instead, cast an actor as if it were any other movie that wasn't a shared universe. Get the script in, decide who would be right for that take. And that's what to me, it sounds like he's doing.

To me, it doesn't mean no to Alan Ritzin. Doesn't mean yes to Alan Ritson. It means script. And I say this as a big fan of Alan Rishson. I hope it is a note, Alan Rishon. The guy is 6'4. He's a jacked monster standing next to David Corenswet. He's going to look the same.

You only use him if you're going to do absolute Batman, in my opinion. Maybe. And I guess it goes to the Koi's point of let's see where the script is. Maybe they make it to where they're going to make this Batman a big jacked monster. And if that's the case, then Alan Ritz is perfect for it. It has nothing to do with his acting ability. As far as likable, I love Allen. He's great.

I like to see him in the DCU. I just don't think he's Batman. I just don't. I think he's a big jacked dude that could kick the piss out of Superman and doesn't need technology to do it. I personally like him a lot and I like Jack Richard more than I expected to, but I also think there are characters that visually are a scale that need to be bigger than other characters. and if and I'm not even talking about Batman.

I'm saying in the DCU, if you cast someone like Alan Richardson as a human, you got problems casting anything else. Like it causes problems going in all directions. I like the dude a lot, but I do think that visually that's not a Batman that can work inside a Justice League because then who do you cast as bigger than Batman?

And look, Cornswit, Cornswit's not a small dude. He's probably the same height as Richardson, but like Superman should be imposing to Batman. That's the whole point. So Batman's... Yeah. I was just to say, or at the very least,

Batman should have a similar physique. We just know that obviously there is more behind Superman. Like you said, if Batman looks too jacked, the only way that really works is either A, again, absolute Batman because of what they've decided to make with him, or B, the Dark Night,

uh, the Dark Knight, uh, uh, the Dark Knight returns, who is this old man that is also insanely jacked from the reason of him trying to make up for the fact that he's old. So like, I just don't,

I don't think it's a good fit. If we're going with like a standard, Bruce Clark comparison, you know? Yeah, it's true. So it doesn't, I mean, Josh gets a lot out of them. There's even more. And he gives a future of kind of the DCU updates here. So let's take a look at this particular clip and see what he says here.

Oh, that's Batman. Nothing else. No, listen, do I ever think about it? Sure, there's people out there I think about, but let's see where the script comes in. It's not the furthest long thing. I mean, we have things that are much, much further along. Let's talk about the further along. Supergirls in the can.

Supergirls in the can. Peace. Same old phone? Come on. Not. I'm going to add again. Upgrade to the new galaxy. As I say it, it's like, I'm sure there's been a 70,000.

Don't leave out Peacemaker 2. We're going to be talking about that in about a week. I'm very excited about Peacemaker 2. It's a direct follow-up to Superman. We have, you know, we have so many characters from Rick Flags in it, a hot girl, Maxwell Lord, you know, Guy Gardner. So it's the direct follow-up to Superman. And very R-rated.

I can't wait. I can't wait. We are going to see, we're going to see not only Lobo, but Crypto and Supergirl. Lobo is so freaking awesome. Jason Momoa is so, oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, we've all agreed. Like, this was like the easiest casting ever.

It was. Well, he pushed himself on me too, I got to say. But, yeah, Lobo is great. And then that's great. And then we have lanterns coming out, which is great. We have Clayface, which is about to go into production. Cast your Clayface, you have James Watkins directing. This is going to be.

And you've said the script is what sold you. I love it. I was going to sell you. Yeah, yeah. This is a total horror movie. Like, really, it's like it could be a Blumhouse, you know, big budget horror film. And it's, it's, but it's within the DCU, which I think is a cool thing to do. Let me just run down a few others.

you tell me as much as you want or not. So like, are we anywhere on like a Wonder Woman script? Yes. Yes. Yes. You feel like there's a take. There's a direction. Yes. That feels distinct from what we've seen before. Yeah. Very. Yes. Yes. I'm excited about very, very excited about Wonder Woman right now. Do you anticipate seeing something like a new flash and new Aquaman in the next few years or is that a little ways off? I wouldn't say the next two years for either of those characters. Okay. Okay. Okay. The authority? still on your mind? Yeah, but it's been, that's been a rough road. That's a little slower one. Yeah, just harder to cry. Yeah, I moved, the writer moved on this to another project in the DCU that I think he's really killing right now. So, okay.

And that project would be another, another movie. Swamp thing? Has Mangold delivered a script? We talked to James the other day. So, no, he hasn't delivered a script. You know, he's been distracted with his billions of movies. Yes. But I think, you know, we're talking about it again.

So and it's, I mean, Sergeant Rock seemed like it was very close. Do you still have hopes that it's going to come back around relatively soon? Hugely. Okay. That's, it's, yeah, I'm really excited about. And with Luca still involved? No. Okay.

Okay. Um, is there one filmmaker if you had your druthers, do you could, if you could lure anybody into the DCU? who would you grab make your pitch let's do it Matt Reeves he already got him

he's not in the DCU he's not in the DCU have you talked to he must have talked to him about it yeah yeah no I mean Matt to me you know listen Matt I love the

I love the people that are out there making pop movies that are still you know it's Matt Reeves it's Greta Gerwig it's Ryan Coogler it's their vision it's the guys that you know And I'm friendly with all those people. And they just, they're making big movies that still have, you know, themselves. And they're personal, yet they resonate with everybody.

So you can check the rest out, obviously, with, he's got a ton of stuff there for gun. I mean, those are some big nuggets, obviously. And the fact that he wants to have Matt Reeves direct the DC project. And he said, you ever talk to him about it? He's like, yeah, I have. And a lot of those updates or things like he said, you could tell. Sergeant Rock, he clearly wants to get made and just isn't going to happen with Luca. And I don't know, although, I'll tell you, I don't know if you guys saw that after the Hunt trailer,

that thing's getting nominated for Oscars. Lucas is going to be all over Oscars, so they might want to go back and get him for something. But either way, Coy, I don't know, we just heard a lot. What stood out? I love that he is as much about the directors having their own flavor as he is. It seems clear to me with Craig Gillespie and some of the other confirmed directors that that is kind of like the second level of like script and then personality and directing. I think that's a thing with bigger tent pulls in any studio, any shared universe or not shared universe where there gets to be a point where it's really, really big and it doesn't feel important. That was personally one of the things I loved about Superman was that it felt important.

It had a really strong message and theme, but it didn't pull punches and got to be a giant tent pole film. I'd love if, much like comic books, we use the medium to tell bold stories, but also had personality even when they're huge. So that seems to be on the forefront. I love that he wants Matt Reeves in the DCU because it's not yet. I think that's a great sign of them working together being a great thing. I don't know what that could be, but that's exciting. So I agree. You look at apes.

You look at anything he's done. There is a lot of vision in his work. So I'd love to see that as well. And I don't know, just I like that the further along we get, the more forthcoming is. Obviously, that was the last stop in his press store for Superman. So it's nice to have a big catch-all of like, here's all the stuff. But I do think it is smart of him to not do the thing where there's a five-year layout. I like the caginess versus the like, here's a map.

Yeah. Winston, I mean, again, a lot that we heard, would you take out of that? The main thing that got me was the Reef situation. And I think it makes me wonder. if there was i gotta believe because he obviously has a lot of respect for matt that it was a mutually decided thing from warner brothers and from him to be like just leave matt alone and let him do what he's going to do with the batman um and because that that's almost what that comment sort of felt like is both he knows that but it feels like warner brothers is also like it made us

a lot of money it's it's done well we're going to keep this kind of doing its own thing right so you know i said last week him being like hey the genre's going to be different might have tipped the hat towards maybe we are going to use patinsins as batman i i think then this was a little bit more clarifying of like that's not what's going to happen and and the hope that once his saga is done that maybe he can bring reeves into the fold after the fact but uh that that was that was the part that stuck out to me the most because i think that's the big question everybody's been asking is what's going to happen with that okay so i mean again there's tons of stuff there a lot of those updates a lot of

this thing's great job by Josh. The last thing that I want to play it from this clip, but again, I haven't heard any of this is because it just went up. And this will be a spoiler for Superman. So you haven't seen it. I would say dip out. But he asked him about Jorel's message. That's intriguing to me to see what the answer is going to be and what the question is if he gives them anything on it. So let's see what the question exactly is and how James Gunn responds. Here is that particular clip. Hold on a moment. There you go. here we go. Is it real?

Has it been doctored? Is that the action? How can someone not think it's real? I'm just saying. How can someone? I don't understand. We did this. So in the test screens,

people were like, is it real? You know, with AI, nobody trusts anything. Okay. In the movie. You make a point of saying, Mr. Terrific says it's real. Mr. Terrific says, I know those computer forensics guys,

there's no way. That's Mr. Terrific. Smart as Lex Luther. Then I have Mori, the Secretary of Defense, say, I think whatever you think about Luther, but it's real. And then the clincher is that Gercos and Lex are walking together. Right. And, you know, Gurkos says, ah, you're doctor the message.

This is great. And Lex says it's not a message. You know, it's not doctor. It's real. And who thought his own parents would be the ones to bring him down? Okay. We just clarified, just for the record. I just want to get it down on that.

Are there implications for this going forward, or have you dealt with this? I mean, do you imagine this being dealt with in future Superman stories? I mean, honestly, I think he deals with it in this story pretty much. I mean, I think that's pretty much done deal. Kind of bummed about it a little bit, but I also, pun intended, I think, I like that he's sticking to his guns. But I will say, hey, I have to finish. You know what? You don't get to do that.

So yeah, he's sticking to his guns. And, Coy, what do you think about this? What do you think about the fact that is this clarification? Is this Dunnkey? Oh, that's done. I thought, again, it was very clear in the movie. There's so many comments in any of my reviews. Like, I did a non-spoiler or spoiler in Easter.

I did so many reviews in this movie. And everyone has comments of like, hey, so do you think that's actually the message? Like, it's very established in the film that even when Lex is talking casually outside of the public, why would he lie? And then why would Mr. Trifick? Because if they made it so Mr. Trifick didn't believe it, that would undermine his super intelligence. There's so many reasons that show that is the message. So I like that because it shows choice. It shows nature and nurture. It shows that his parents are ma' and pa. It shows that he made the choice to not be what he was sent there for. I think it's great. The Kryptonians are not

the ones on the planet. Superman is on the planet. as a cryptonian that is human and he is doing the thing he chose to do. And that is the speech from Pawkin about parents are the ones that are letting kids make a fool of themselves, make their own choice is so undermined if that message isn't true. The whole movie is about making choices. So I think it's really weird that people really want Jorrell, who they don't have any context to, and we'll never probably see again, to have such an impact. They didn't make it a story where the crystals are like Jorrell.

talking as a ghost, we will probably not see the parents of his birth again, I assume, because I don't know if there'd be a reason to. So yeah, I like a new canon because it allows for new takes and new choices. And I think this is a really strong choice. And also like the opening when he falls like Yamcha, this is very Dragon Ball Z, which I dig. Yeah. I do think, I don't know how, consider me weird then on your logic, because I think that for me, it's like I, I understand the story that they were telling, it made sense.

It's a story that they told. It made sense. But it doesn't take away. It shouldn't take away from people's, if they've been, if they've embraced Jarrell as a character over however long it's been. And the idea of like, Jarrell was stern, but Jarrell was not telling his son to go create a harem and to go, you know, dominate the world. it's a different take in the same way that Henry Cavill, Superman was a different take on Superman, right? It's a different take on it. You can, it made sense for the story they were telling.

I just still don't know if I love it. And I definitely, the confirmation that he just said, he's like, what are you talking about it? I've told you three times. It's the real message. He just clarified it. But Winston, I don't know. What do you make of it? I mean, the first thing is I don't think it was that clear because the messenger that this was real is Lex Luthor, a man,

known for lying at every pass if it gets him what he wants. So I don't necessarily agree with that, including, yes, Mr. Terrific is arguably the second smartest man in the whole universe, but again, that would be second. And the argument is typically that Lexus the first. So

on top of the fact that you have a brainiac potentially running around out there, Brainiac like Ultron level of like, let me go mess with computers. There's a number of reasons why people would feel disingenuous about that, not just the society that we currently live in. But yes, I agree it was a choice to decide that that's how Jorrell would be.

I am okay with it. I don't love it, but I'm okay with it because of what Koi did mention before, what this movie ultimately is about, is about the choices. It's also about nature versus nurture. The nature of it would be, hey, if that's really how Kryptonians be rolling,

then he would go and make a harem and dominate the planet. Versus he was raised by the Kents, which is why you have even how he deals with that at the end, with the video, that is kind of just further putting into place. It is about what you decide to do with your life and the people that affect you, not necessarily where you come from. So I like it as a narrative choice.

I don't like it necessarily as, yes, this Jarrell has existed in various stories, but I don't, I prefer the one where he comes from good people. It also speaks to, you know, Kara in that regard, because obviously she was around on Krypton beforehand. So are all Kryptonians just out here being like, yeah, bone and takeover planets? Like are we dealing with the Voltramites now? That's the question. What did she, if it's that cut and dry, like he just said, what did she know? Like what, how much information is it, is it, is now is it, I keep getting, Quay, is it Cara or Kara?

That's one of those tomato tomatoes. I say Kara, but I've heard both. Okay. So either way, is Kara, Kara, Kara. whatever the hell her name is. Does she know this stuff? Does she know like basically, because you'd assume that she knew the intent. And if she did,

was she holding it from Clark the whole time? I mean, that's, to me, I'm curious if that's addressed in Supergirl, if that's something that is something that the kryptonites, cryptonians have as a factor, or is it something that is Jorel's like, well, this is the option go. I don't know if that assumes them all to be a conquering people

or if Jorrell was. Also, the harem thing to me, and I could be misreading it, felt more like something that Lex used to make people more afraid. Like that felt augmented by Lex. Like the message was clear, but Lex then doubled down and then the guy in Borovia doubled down into like, you know, the women here, the ones he likes most. Like to me, that felt like a way to alienate, pun intended,

Superman because America is so prudish. Like, there's nothing Americans fear more than sex. So like using that to be like, oh, he likes many women. So I think that's a smart bit of storytelling. If you want someone to be villainized, you use the thing we're scared of, which is titties. I mean, so my question is, you think that that was actually a real part of the message, but Lex played it up? Or you think Lex added that part to the message, but the message of go and essentially be a ruler was real? I think the ruler was real.

I think the way to make people afraid is to poke at the thing they're insecure about. So like, so you think the harem thing was also real, but Lex is like, ooh, see, look at him, he mentioned on that Bill O'Reilly show,

right? Like, that's the thing that he was like, and he, like, that's the thing that got the juice. All right. Well,

we'll find out a little bit more. I'm sure someone will ask him about that. But great job overall from Josh Harwitz there, as always. Make sure you go check it out, check his channel out and watch the full interview. It's a pretty, it's almost like an hour long video.

So go and check that out. What do you make of the DC updates that we just played there? put your thoughts in there. We're going to get to the questions in just a second, but I want to continue on with the DC and this Wonder Woman story, which was going to be, initially it was our lead story, but then the Fantastic Force came out, but DC Studios might be looking for a TV actress to play Wonder Woman update on

Bain and Destrook movie. We have a big update on DC Studios, Wonder Woman plans, and many of the fan favorite picks for the role may have been eliminated. There's also news on Destroke, Bain, Playface, and More. check it out. The trade reporting that DC Studios is finally fast-tracking a Wonder Woman movie where one step closer to seeing Diana Prince back in theaters where she belongs. It initially looked. We have to wait for the Amazon with James Gunn and Peter Saffron instead prioritizing Paradise Lost. This TV series hasn't taken shape though, and DC Studios appears to have listened to fans eager to see DC's A-lister on screen, not just B-listers like booster gold and Swamp thing. Peering on the TV series hasn't taken shape, and D. Peering on the show. the box office podcast, the rap's Mberto Gonzalez revealed that when it comes to casting Wonder Woman, DC Studios is searching for an actress with a television background similar to Millie Alcock, who was best known for House of the Drag. In other words, they're searching for someone who's not necessarily a household name with several

big movies on IMDP, not similar to Alcock and Superman stars David Corenswet and Rachel Brosnahan, an actor like this will also come cheaper than a proven A-lister. The trades reported a few other updates for starters, Captain America, Brave new world writer, Matthew Orton, has submitted his mysterious bane and death stroke script to gun and saffron, whether they decide to move forward to it, remains to be seen. Gonzalez has also heard that Tom Reese Harris will receive $400,000 for playing Clayface's title character, pretty decent figure when you consider Corrin Sweat and Brosnan were only paid $750 each for Superman before potential box office bonuses.

Finally, it's revealed that Warner Brothers Discovery Chairman David Zazlov couldn't understand why there hadn't been a solo Superman for over a decade. The last one was Man of Steel, so he pushed for one to be the first DCU release. Zazloff is reportedly very pleased with how it's doing so far. Asked recently, where the things stand with Wonder Woman and Raven the Bold. Gun replied, I mean, it's not going to be ready until the scripts are ready, so both the scripts are being written now, and if they're good, we'll go into production immediately.

He added, so it really depends on how we can get the scripts done because the only thing I'm not just going to do into production without a script, and what I do is feel fantastic, especially for those characters who deserve it the best. I rather wait a year than go too soon. That's essentially what he just said to Josh also. So I think, again, for Wonder Woman, when those potential rumors, I mean, I think it puts AJ Arjona in the top of the list after what she did with Wonder Woman.

I just saw a comment that came in and said, she's too short. She's 5.7. 5.7 on screen looks, you can make look 5.9 pretty quick. Put a pair of flats. That's the silliest one. She's too short because you can. I've been getting away with it for a very long time. Tom Hart.

The only exception of that rule is like we've been talking about with Storm, which is the same thing. Storm is supposed to be in her own way. Like she should be roughly close to six foot in it of itself and that she's this tall got and you're trying to put Cynthia refo. But she's but she's fucking smart. No, no, no, no. I understand.

I totally understand. But I understand if people are really getting on this height thing. And in the reverse, as much as we love Hugh Jackman, the idea of having a shorter dude to be Logan, too, like all of that. I can see people being a little nitpicky. I won't get upset with them for feeling one way or the other. But I agree, five seven, you can make look five nine. That's easy.

Five foot is hard to make look five seven, five eight. It's hard. It's almost impossible to make look six feet without looking ridiculous. Five seven looking five nine or five ten is really easy. It's really easy in the movie business. So that's, that to me when I see that comment, I'm like that if you say I'm not a fan of her acting,

I don't see her in a role, I'll take, I'll say, okay, I don't disagree with you, but I understand your point. I will never, I'm never going to tell somebody, oh, okay, she's too short. That doesn't make sense. That makes no sense. She doesn't. She's five-step. But, Coy, I think it puts her in two things here. One, I think it really puts her as a frontrunner. And I also think of what he just said when Josh, when Josh was talking to him about Lobo and he's like, well, he really pushed himself on me. You know, like Jason Momoa was making phone calls?

like, hey, take it, take a, take a, take another meeting with, with Andrea. Have it. And he, plus the fact, he's worked with her before. He knows. Yeah, it's funny. A lot of people are like, well, he debunked Wonder Woman being Audrey Aronia on threads. He said he wasn't following her because of it. It didn't mean she's not still in the running. So I do think they, you know, having worked together is probably a great thing.

And I think that, you know, them knowing each other, that doesn't mean she is it. This is also not a confirmation. But it does mean, like, we still don't know one way or the other. But it's exciting. that were further along with Wonder Woman than we seemingly had been. It's exciting that this is something they're putting on the forefront. I think Zazlov was very clear about the Superman being up front. I think if he's thinking that same way,

Wonder Woman and Batman can't be far behind. Those are your big, temple characters. And since we already do have a Batman with Matt Reeves, to me that means Wonder Woman is the next character to really, you know, shepherd forward. So whether that's Audrey Arjone or not, I think we're going to know sooner than a lot of other characters. I don't know, Winston,

And you think that this puts her in the forefront? I mean, I think it certainly helps. I think, but I think the thing that we got to remember, even with Superman, we had a bunch of different ideas and had no idea really about corn sweat, and then he just came out of nowhere. So it's possible. I think what Gunn does an exceptionally good job of is, you know, let them talk, let them eat cake type situation.

I know that's more of a negative connotation, but the idea of like, we're out here doing business, it's fun to kind of keep them kind of pondering and guessing. keeps us in the news one way or the other. I think that there is honestly as equal as much that it could be Arjonia as it could be that go ahead to keep thinking that's the case and I already have my Wonder Woman off to the side here. Yeah, well, this also has been debunked as we are talking about it. James Gunn himself debunked this. Oh. Strait from Maberto right here where it says they asked him, is it true about the TV thing? He says, nope, and a never million years

for a major role based on whether they did TV films or whatever. It's all about the casting. I didn't cast Millie because of her past, but because she was the best one for the role. But we're also not casting Wonder Woman, not even discussing it until a script is finished. So there you go. I mean, you can still say that.

You can still, but look, the one, the thing that I think inside of the report that I think was true, and I think should be true. You don't need a major movie star. You don't need someone that's going to blow up your budget. You need somebody who's going to blow up somebody else's budget once you cast them as one of them as one or one. That's

what you need to do. You need to say, okay, you know what? We're going to give this person their first big role like Cornswit. Cornswit now will be getting, because this movie's hit, the same thing with Brazenham. They will be making more than $750,000 for big movies now. You know. Like Tom Hiddleston. That's what you do. That's how it goes. And,

Coy, I think you've talked to Cornswet enough now. Give me, a over on let's say percentage wise let's say we'll go 67% over under that he's going to

appear in a Star Wars movie if Disney's smart over like he is the biggest like he's like if you give him this much he will take this much to Star Wars the band will like dot he is so excited he wants to be an X-wing pilot so bad

X-Ming pilot is like his next dream anything. I think it's going to happen. I think that would be a great move on timing for Disney to show like, hey, we're listening to the fans, we're listening to the passion. We want a passionate actor. And I want it for him, man. He is such a nerd. It'd be great to have him on there.

But that's my point is if Star Wars decided, hey, we want Cornswit. It's going to be costing more than $7.50. It costs more than $7.50 now. And if he's got good agents, of course, that would be the case. but anyway as far as this goes look James Gunn has now reiterated what he just said to Josh Harwitz it all depends on the script so either way are we getting any closer to finding

a Wonder Woman and as he said I still think that Supergirl will be the one obviously is being pushed we know that but we're going to get Wonder Woman casting I think first and I think that'll happen within the next six to seven months if I was going to guess but what's say you put your thoughts

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I will say I love our audience. I really do and I love how nice they are. I love the comments that they have. 95% of them should have nothing to do with casting. I saw David Cornswet as Indiana Jones. What? What are you talking about? He's so Clark Kent to the point that in real life he's like,

Clark Kent, Indiana Jones is curmudgeonly and can tanker. No rough to him. There's no. He's a sweet boy. I think just from seeing his acting ability, sure, but I just, it's not a read that I would go to. Like, that's enough of a stretch. I can see him playing a Jedi. I can see him doing a lot of different things.

But Indiana Jones, yeah, he doesn't have a new story. No, man. The funny thing is, I would have a better chance of believing him being Jack Sparrow than I would Indiana Jones. Like if you were going to go goofy he can get. But that's what I'm saying. There was enough little goofiness in Superman that I could see that more than I could see Indiana Jones. And I wouldn't even put him as Jack Sparrow.

And here's the other thing. In the same way that I feel like Indiana Jones is not a big jacked dude. And any and I know we only, he's an archaeologist. He's an archaeologist and he has to figure out ways to get himself out of trouble. He's scrappy. If you're the size of David Corrin Sweat, Henry Cavill, Alan Richardson, you don't need to be. You just, dude, Glenn Powell for Indiana Jones, if you're really going to try and go with that. Like, I get he's still, he's also a pretty boy, but I'm saying there was enough in Twisters that I'll give you that, that I would corn sweat.

I hate saying my pick. I hate saying my pick because now it just looks like I'm a fan boy at this point. It's Brendan Scunar. I think he's perfect for it. You do look like a fan boy, but I think, but those are two roles that you've given up for him that both would work very well. It fit his skill set. It fit his skill set. anyway let's get into the questions because we have a lot to discuss we've a lot to talk about

you guys have put in a lot of questions but before we do we get a quick plug here for both winston and coy and what's going on their channel Winston a Marshall what's going on the channel man yeah absolutely so come on over uh youtube.com slash the swaggy blurred like i mentioned i'm hoping to get the final fantasy the fantastic four video out for tomorrow worst case scenario to be out Monday. This Sunday, I'm going to be doing my Blazing Saddles Watch Along. If you just want to look at the reaction, that'll come out in a little bit. But if you go

to my YouTube page for the memberships and the Patreon, it's up there that you can sign up for the tier that will allow you to do a live watch-along of Blazing Saddles with me. It will be a live watch-along. It'll be my first time watching it. If you just want to do the reaction, that will come out in a couple of weeks. But if you want

to actually watch it in real time with me, you can do that by joining. So, yep, Come to say what's up. What you John Dropp? I'm going to do a live later today because I was so busy the last few weeks. I haven't been live in weeks. So I'm going to do one later today with the comics from the last couple of weeks. My favorite nine of each week, or 80 to 70, and they give you my favorite nine.

So that live is today plus talking about the Supergirl poster and lots of other stuff. My page is also going to be covering Fantastic for quite a bit starting on Monday. I'm going to be hosting the premiere for the Hollywood Reporter. So I'll be there on Monday. So I'll be there and I'll be able to give him my reaction right out of the theater. And then I'll be able to give you my review the next morning. So look out for Fantastic Four. stuff over there. I'm also going to Comic-Con and basically doing the Huggard Reporter Thursday,

Friday, D.C. Saturday, trying to walk the floor Sunday. So if you guys see me out there, come say hello, but follow me on YouTube and Instagram where I'm trying to do more on Instagram at Coy John Roe. Okay, guys, this is it. Make sure you check out both Winston and Coy on their channels. Let's do it. Let's start the battle. Guys are less than 100 a way to get Roker. You're at 48 as we start. Here we go. It's going to, you got to just under an hour to try to catch Roca. All right, Mustafa, again, I would love for someone to ask James Gunn, who he has in mind who his members of the Justice League will be. Surely he already has an

idea. Also, what's your thoughts on March and Manhunter? Will we see him? Well, we know Winston thinks he's a household name. Look, man, I'm saying anybody of a millennial age that watched that Justice League cartoon, Martian Manhunter is lodged in your brain. Some of the fans, yeah, sure. But not even comic book fans. I'm saying anybody that watch that Justice League cartoon, even as it was a Saturday morning slash tsunami cartoon, if you watch that, that OG team,

which is I think what gun is tapping into by the fact that you're making Aaron Pierre, that's Bufasa, who looks just like the John Stewart of that cartoon, and you brought Hawk Girl in there already. Like, he is kind of dipping his toe in that little saga. I think Marshall Manhunter is coming. I think he needs to be there.

Yeah, let's go. Coy. I think Martian Manhunter is likely because of not only what Winston's speaking to, but also James Gunn's sensibilities. He seems to like characters that are heady, intellectual, weird. You can do a lot of weird, great stories with Marshman Hunter. So I hope we see John Johns. As far as members and who he thinks will play them, I actually don't think James Gunn is locking anything into his mind. I think he's very flexible.

I think he's probably got five or six or seven people for various incarnations. But I think he's going to get a script. and then he's going to decide, oh, this type of read, this is the way we're doing this character. Let me look at people now with that in mind. He's not just, he's not directing and writing all these movies. He's overseeing a universe. So I think he probably has actors on short lists, but I don't think he has individuals in mind personally because I do think he was honest in like, I don't know who my Batman is yet.

Of course I have some people in mind, but I think the script is going to tell us. Agreed. All right. Tyler Pfeiffer says, please tell me you seeing that CEO got caught cheating in a coppillar. we talked about earlier. We just talked about it earlier. I mean, look, he made a massive,

massive, massive moral error. The thing to me, the thing to me that stood out the most is that he tried to blame anyone else but himself. And it's ducking out

and leaving her in the frame, just stranded. You know what, you know the funny thing about that? That's that, moment where if you're going to do something that ridiculous, just be cool. If he didn't go, oh, Jesus, he would have never said anything. Nobody would have done anything. Nobody would know that that's a random couple. You almost Gerard Butler, Spartan kicked her off of the thing.

Oh, 100%. And on top of that, if they're doing the Jumbotron, maybe stop holding her while they're doing the Jumbotron, you idiot. What are you doing? I can do a whole show on justice. Yeah, he's an imbecile. Tyler, if the video is hilarious. Yeah, he's an imbecile. One bad Cajun.

Stephen Colbert just got canceled by Trump himself, most likely. We don't know that. How long before we are living in V for Vendetta world and are you concerned about free speech? That's all hearsick, because of the Paramount deal and everything, too. You know, it's all people throwing things out there. It's not a good look, but yeah, we don't need to get... We don't know.

But that's the thing is I hate that about today's society. I hate it. Just right away, you can have theories, and that's fine. But to say things are fact in general about whatever it might be. I'm not saying you're saying that. I'm just saying that in general, that people do that. Well, you know, that's the case. He was the one who did it.

It's possible. Very well possible. But you don't know. And that can be about anything, accusations, all that stuff. Until you know, don't say shit. you don't know it's just the the only thing in a world where people are always trying to spin something the one thing that wasn't a good look was in my opinion paramount saying this is a money thing when it is the highest rated late night show of all of the late night shows that's the part where i can go something smells rotten but yeah what i thought there's that late night is like it it used to be like you know a lot of people would watch late night because there wasn't a lot of stuff to watch and that was the thing there's tons of stuff to watch and that was the thing there's tons of stuff stuff to watch. Streaming, I think, like everything else, to which Quay always says, streaming has just kind of turned media up on its head. I don't think people are watching

late night as much as they used to. Go ahead, Corey. I think it's a perfect storm. I think it's paramount timing. I think this might be a factor. I'm going to speak to not assuming anything until we get more data, but it does seem suspect timing wise, but I also think that when you are making sure your guests that would usually go in late night take time to talk to people that dance on tic-tok then obviously there's going to be a problem with late night um i think media itself is trying to figure out what it is i think this i think we should include that as a factor but i also think that late night is in a different spot like late night's my dream job but i don't know if i will ever get to do my dream job

because i think the job's going away not that's what it is i think it's just been it's it's so different now of what it was when we were growing up today. Because look, even here's another thing. Late night was so successful and so big because it was where you went to watch your interviews. It was where you went to watch celebrities talking about their movies and the things are coming up. You can see that on every other podcast now.

And they're not saying, and they're not going as deep as they are on the one hour long, half an hour long. If I go and see Brad Pitt on, on Jimmy Kimmel for 10 minutes with some bits or Jimmy Fallon for five, 10 minutes, right? I'm not getting the same experience I am when I watch them on Dax Shepherd for an hour. And but that's the one,

but the other side being the timing. I do think that, you know, the number one rated show in late night. That is suspect. I don't know how Paramount's doing because I don't think of Paramount is having much. I think of them as having that. And so to lose that and to get rid of that first seems odd.

So I just, you know, I'm curious how this all plays. It also doesn't help, and then we can move on. It doesn't help that Paramount is also in the middle of potentially selling to Skydance, which Colbert said in his bit in the first place. So the idea of when the payment happened for the lawsuit, and then this happening and him calling all of that out, it all smells fishy.

He'll get a gig somewhere else real quick. Of course. Real quick. Zan Miguel, over under 30% that Gunn is doing a straight-up sequel to Soups under. should he even direct anything or just stick to producing for now and focus on being CEO. Thanks. I say this not, and again, very similar I was talking about before Alan Richardson.

I don't think James Gunn should direct for like about five years. I think James Gunn should step back and James Gunn should direct and paint, I mean, sorry, produce and paint his vision of how he wants to do it and put things together. He set it off. He threw the ball down the field. Let other people catch it. Corey, what do you think? I think that when there's something that really strikes him, it'd be nice if he had the time to, like,

because I don't think there's another person that would have made this Superman movie this way. So I think if he's producing and if he's getting scripts and, you know, he gets inspired. I'd love to see him do another thing, like sometimes. But I do want to make sure that there isn't the thing where we were always talking about how Kevin Fagie felt like he was spreading himself too thin. He wasn't directing anything. So as long as, you know, he can keep the quality up. I know he wrote Creature Commandos and Superman and directed Superman all within like a few years.

I can't imagine how exhausting that would be while launching a thing. But say he's, you know, reading someone's script and he gets an idea and he writes a script and that inspires a choice. I don't want him to be beholden to some schedule. You're right? Like so if there's a capacity for it, I don't think anyone else would have had the punk rock Superman concept. But James, he's such a needle drop guy. On DC Studio Showcase, I literally described Superman as punk rock. and counterculture being being kind before I saw the movie.

That's literally how I see the character. No one else would have given me that movie. So I don't want to lose that for him show running a universe, so to speak. But I don't want dude to get to the point where we're seeing, you know, him like Kevin Feigy, where we're like, is this sustainable? So if he can find time in three or four years to do another one of these. Three or four years to me makes sense because, again, what you don't want to do is you, because the movie, as you just said,

it's a very different superman, but it still had very much a James Gunn stamp to it. You don't want the DCU to be James Guns. They look like and feel like every movie has to feel like James Gunn's movie. You don't want to do that. It's not fair to other filmmakers. It's not fair in general. So I think he needs to step back and just tell his story through producing. And so like you said, three or four years out.

But Zion Miguel, oh yeah, speaking of which as far as Stoops goes, no, I don't think we're getting direct sequel. No, Zion Miguel, the Project Hail Mary is a success. And Meyer Burnett, even saying that it has a chance. chance to be nominated for best pitcher can you guys see lord miller doing a DCU film maybe a flash or the authority thoughts i mean i'm sure jane would love to work with those guys i need i i don't know really anything about project come here so i need to go and look into this before it's incredible book written by the writer of the the martian uh he's also a part of the film uh lord and miller are directing as well as producing ryan goslings in it it's one of my most anticipated projects uh the

next five years um i i I am very excited for it. I don't know if from, you know, a trailer and from a great book, you can assume anything as far as best picture. I think that it's going to be a huge tent pole. I think it coming out when it does is an odd. What does it come out? I think March. March.

Which is an odd spot for Oscars, but we've seen it with Dune. It has worked. But I'm generally excited about the movie. I think Lord and Miller are fairly tied into Spider-Man still. I don't know if they'd have time to go to the DCU. I would love if they do. I would be very personally happy. But they seem to have a lot of their plate right now.

good call Daniel green uh Daniel brain excuse me is Spider-Man brand new day a guaranteed one bill nothing is a guaranteed one bill anymore I mean we just had our first one-bill movie this year and that was and it was Lilo and Stitch right which um yeah again kids movie that's the bet that you look last year and most of the billion-dollar movies were kids movies and that's your best shot So I don't I don't and with Marvel right now is it is no I don't think it's guaranteed I don't think it's a guarantee like I don't think a single movie is a guarantee Yeah because what the only there there were car is a guarantee Oh fair you know too shake that's fair there's only what for well I'll call it for because I'll round up from one of them

A billion dollar movies last year inside out two at 1.6 deadpool Wolverine at 1.3 Moana at 1.05 and then despicable me at 969 we'll call it a billion right so that's that's three of the four of the four of his movies yeah um Connor millis oh my goodness it's corky and wilson I better than hell yeah you better Connor says black of tonight for DC's first big event I think it's possible I think that you know we've only got

one movie and one show in but I love that what they're setting up with some of the billionaire stuff I think blackest night could you know what we can actually answer this much better after lanterns because obviously that's the most good to see But I think that is going to be like what direction the cosmic side's going, right? So I think we can know next year. The only problem with that, if you're going to do that, and then I'm curious when you say lanterns,

are we just talking about the green lanterns or are we talking about all of the cores? Because the problem is Blackest Night is so tied to all of the cores. And people, nobody other than diehard comic fans are familiar with the rest of the spectrum. They typically know Greenlander and maybe Yellow Lantern. They don't know about red and blue and indigo and all that. You know what I mean? So that's a lot of stuff. That's a lot of setup.

Connor also says, or maybe even Sinestro Cor war would be cool. Yeah, I can see that. That's a little bit easier to... That could also set up for Black as Night. Like, that could be a, you know, an Empire Strikes Back leading to Jedi. Beagle Studios, can't wait to see Superman tomorrow on my 31st birthday. Enjoy Beagle.

Yeah. Happy birthday. Boomer bust. And advice for people who love D.C., hate James Gunn style and thought Superman was myth. The thought of my favorite heroes getting gun makes me itch. Well, that's kind of my point that I made before. If you're not a James Gunn fan and you thought Superman was just okay, but you want to see where it's going to go moving forward.

This is why James Gunn is doing what he's doing. He's going, okay, look, we're changing and we're doing different tones. There's new directors and everything else too. I would say, stay the course, watch these other directors that come in and see what they do with it. And that's why I'd say it can't be a, everything can't feel like a James Gun movie, even though I know that peacemaker is really the next thing. And that obviously is going to be very James Gunn. But outside of that, it's got to feel different. Winston, what do you say?

My advice would be two things. One, you didn't say it was bad. You said it was me, which means that there was something in there that you enjoyed. So I would focus on that and specifically look at the characters or storylines that really did something for you in that initial process. If you feel like those fully divert, then who knows, then you just unfortunately got to ride this out. But I would, knowing that there was something in there that you liked by saying meh and that you love these characters. anchor on to those things. The next movie is another super project, and it's got a very different director.

I feel like in one year's time, you might be less worried because this is very intentionally that spinner rack feel. It is going to be very costly. There are way more ways to make Supergirl another Superman movie than there are to make Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow. The Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow comic that we're getting adapted into the Supergirl movie is by Craig Gillespie, very different director. It's a very different type story.

I don't think you'll be as worried next year, and I think James Gunn is very conscious of that. When does that come out? June 27th. When does Landon's drop, though? Next year, I just don't know when. Probably March if I was going to guess. Connor Mullis, I want a Pena Colada so I can get juggie with it. Hell yeah. And you'll be an action star.

Connor Mullis. Did you say, Winston, did you see the mix I sent you? Which mix? They switched the beat of the Will Smith freestyle and it actually sounds better. Really? No, I did not. see where did you send it to me on Instagram? I haven't seen that then. Gano Moves, guess what time it is?

It's fork, lift, time, broom, vroom, hell yeah, be careful. Of all things, Man of Steel is art, Superman 2025 is content. That's an opinion. I personally disagree with that. I think they're both art. I think it's like trying to listen to,

you know, classical versus hip-hop, and not that either of those are those, not that either of these movies are those genres of music, but they are both music. They are just very different. So I don't know. I disagree with you.

Well, you agree, right? I have sympathy for his taste. Best show of the week is back. I'm an action. It's the best. Corey, you've seen that, right? Yeah, it's fantastic. I love it.

It's like the third plug for it. I bring up, I got my friend, Mike, where is it? He did a reaction to it. And it's so funny. reaction that he did to it. I have to find it though. Mr. Dave 2K.

Maybe I haven't seen this. I thought that Will Smith did a freestyle saying I'm an action store? Yeah. I didn't know that the only thing I've known of him recently was the girl. I like pretty girls. It was right before that, I think. Yeah, that was the one I was. No, it was right afterwards. That was the one I told you at Winston where Ari Spears like lit him up.

Well, no, I thought he lit him up about girls. I didn't understand that. Okay, I did not see this. Yeah, yeah, no. But I sent you the better version of it. Okay. They set up the beat. You just gave, so people trying to wonder what's going on on my, on my channel.

You're probably also going to get a reaction today to this Will Smith. I'm an action star too. What's that? I thought it was the sped up girls beat. There's a remix to actions, the action star one, too. Ari Spears apparently went in on it. Yeah. Oh, my God, I got to find my.

I literally thought that he was made, when you brought. brought it up that he was going in on, I like pretty girls. No, no, I got, I really have to find my friend's thing because it's, it's absolutely, um, hilarious, his face when he does it, but I can't, I can't find his channel because I told him, so you got to change your, you got to change your channel name, um, because I can't, I can't just do an easy search to find him. Uh, I'll, I'll, I'll find. Uh, okay, so let's see. Oh, Mr. Dave 2K. Gun has already debunked the Wonder Woman casting, though. Nothing happened before the script. Yeah, we played that up there

before, too, and it seems like that was the case, but we'll see. Reggie Brown, even though Franklin is a baby, what if he brings the Fantastic Port to the MCU? Like, he put the Fantastic Forer in the Avengers in a Pocki universe when they fought Enslot in the

Onslaught Heroes were Born comic storyline. I like that idea. No, no, no. I will say I go ahead calling but I was just going to I was just going to say I think you should come and watch my video on tomorrow and or Monday perfect thanks Winston I think this is a fantastic idea I think it would be a really cool way to tie in future pocket universe stuff but also really tie into them coming into our universe in a fun way I love this take I think it's very possible I think that also I heard from a few people they loved the movie, but the ending through them, that would be a thing that would throw people. I'm really hoping I love the ending.

I'm really hoping I love the movie. This is fun. I like it. Yeah. All right. Let's see. Moving forward here, again, 59 currently.

Trying to catch Roca. Noah S-2000. I've seen Superman three times. It's a solid seven and eight. Not this masterpiece. Some people are making it out to be. But overall, great start to the MCU. The DCU.

There you go. Go, pal. also ask hey kroy does today's dc show have superman spoilers uh yeah dc studio showcase full spoiler review uh we had gregg on i brought gregg on uh so he's on the show with me and uh anna brandon davis so check it out on hb you go uh vick dude 97 what happened yeah i can't tell that story again but i'll tell you guys some other time um okay and now alan smithy rmd did a 10 minute over the phone interview with brian singer on a show they discussed superman and singers effect on comic book movies interesting When was that?

It was on his channel, on R&B's channel. Interesting. Eric Henderson, handles are gone again. Mr. I crap and shit's here. I don't even see why YouTube does that. Like,

it's a weird. It is bizarre. And that's what he says, by the way, Winston, and the thing, he goes, he goes,

I'm an action star. And sometimes I'm going to act bizarre. Wait, wait, wait, wait, Ari Spears does that or Will Smith? Will Smith does that.

No. No. Oh, I can't wait for this reaction. I have to find my friend. I have to. It's the past. God damn. So, man, I can't find his thing.

Okay, let's see. Next one here. Did we get another one? Okay, big criticism in the Superman movie is that Hawk Girl never said Hawk to her. If it was Brett Radner, she would have. Oh, it would have been a running show. If it was a meeting, too, he also would have. I'm so glad that they didn't do that.

Eric Anderson, Christian, congrats on the big scoop. Luke Cage in Mortal Kombat, too. I was waiting for you to correct yourself, but you never did you react. The same thing I did for, who was the other one I did recently? I did a couple of them. But that one, I kept calling him Luke Cage, is in Johnny Cage. And then my favorite is there was something that someone wrote, there was some name with a hyphen. It's blank with a hyphen.

I wrote, who hyphen curse? So leave me alone. It's like, if you know, good for you, you know. I don't care. Well, you'll do his research. Who cares? Jay Mobile, hyped for Fantastic 4. I'm hoping in the eppiness, oh my God, moments and memorabilia that I was hoping for,

but didn't personally get from soups. I hope so for you, too, man. I want, I want there to be a comic book movie this summer that people can feel like, oh, my God, we're so back. Like, whether that was Superman or Fantastic 4, I want the end of July to mean people's excitement for the genre. So totally, maybe that'll be that. So I hope that for you too. Yeah.

Yeah, because I realize you weren't here last week, so we didn't really get your opinion directly. I've seen some of the stuff you put out there, Koi, but like I walked out going, that was a good movie, but I did not walk out the way I came out of like the first Guardians out of Infinity War. We were like, oh my God, oh my God.

Like it doesn't need to be, you blinked out half the universe, but like that I went out being like, bandwinter soldier was so good. Like I didn't feel that. And I don't know how you felt personally. In short, this is now a paid ad from Warner Brothers, DC. No, in short, I, man, it's so hard because I really want to be able to remove like child coy and adult coy here.

But child coy got to watch the Superman movie he's always wanted. So adult boy just got to like not take the steering wheel for a bit. So I got more out of this than I got out of a lot of giant movies I've ever seen comic book or not, where I saw the character that I, as a kid, idolize and then as an adult need, the more we get into the world and connectivity and the more, like, people have access to each other, the more I doubt we're worth saving, and the movie's about us being worth saving. So I needed that movie to give me hope again in tolerating humanity for the next 50 years.

Who are you? Here's the thing I was telling you about what I found. This is my friend, my friend Mike, who was doing a reaction to it, right? And even though I'm an action star, sometimes I'm an act before. Damn, okay, sort of, sort of ruined it for me a little bit, Glancyia, but that's hilarious. That's good with the balloons. But do, watch his face, look at my friend's face when he says bizarre. It's my favorite thing.

And even though I'm an action star, sometimes I'm an act, ma'amah. They killed me when I saw him do they like. They kill me. Oh, Jesus. Action star. I got to get that clip. I got to get that. Even though I'm on action stock.

Lauren L-6569. Think Lex animal experiments led to Gorilla Grodd. I think that was definitely something they tease, but I think that James Gunn and comic fans are going to want the insanity of the guerrilla city. I think you don't mean like that could be like a take but this is a universe building so as much fun as that would be it would undermine

Gorilla City which I think we might get I was also going to say maybe not that maybe ultra humanite which is more the brain transferring to a gorilla body that would make more sense but no I don't think that's God and that would distinguish them the movie dude's podcast Superman has made 310 globally should

cross 400 this weekend I think six $650 million is still on the table. It'll be a fight. It'd be a fight. 650 is, is it, that's going to be a stretch. But they got a shot. I got a shot. I mean, look, like I said, it's, but don't start, you know, well, hey, the numbers right now. Don't, it all depends on, A, what happens this weekend.

B, what fantastic four pulls in. Those are the, I'm really curious about second weekend. Because, you know, historically Superman has a pretty big drop off second weekend. And I know Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Wednesday were solid. I don't know what yesterday's numbers were, but Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, we're good. I'm curious what the weekend is because, you know, if it, if it has, you know, the traditional, I think Superman usually has like a 60 plus percent drop off. If it has like 50, that's good for Superman, but is that good for 2025? Like, I'm really curious what it looks like.

Nick Alexander, any comic recommendations for upcoming DC projects, definitely charged up to read some stuff after Superman need the DC Universe Infinite app. I'm assuming that you're going to just recommend women of tomorrow and everybody right um for upcoming yeah i would say one with tomorrow is like a must and it's also sensational uh i think it'd be probably smart to read john stewart's origin which is a really fun storyline with hal as well like the beginning of john stewart is amazing i think it's number 87 it's it's a bit ago but it's it's really something special um if you want to read um what was swamp thing i'd read allan more swamp thing what else did james just talk about with josh i know he talked swam thing and super girl um sergeant rock sergeant rock i would go back

go back to the 40s original stuff. I think the art is also fantastic. Check those out and they're all in the app. Okay. All right. Let's see. Next one. Eric Henderson. Coy, with your inside knowledge at DC, where's Plastic Man on the priority list?

Are the DCU podcast going to slow down until the next movie? That's a good question. Plastic Man is a character that I know a lot of people love. I don't know what that means for his pecking order. I know it's a character that seems like the sensibilities of James Gunn, but he's not doing the next one. So that'll be TBD. And the podcasts are still every other week because we're doing Peacemaker next.

So I'm actually going to go, I mean, I know peacemaker runs in the fall. So I assume for a bit every other week. I'm talking about in August. Is that, isn't August September fall? Is it late August? I think it's a lot. I think it's mid-August into fall. Yeah, sorry, August into fall.

I was going to say, because, yeah, in the summer, supposed to be like June, July, August. Yeah, I thought it was still in August. Yeah. Into fall. Into fall. Zeus Fleming just found out my 24 my 24 year old son is having a baby girl. Amazing. You want a cool comic cop pop culture name.

Suggestions outside the norm. Oh man. Don't ask me. Oh, I mean, it's just a name. I mean, yeah, I mean, Kara or Kara, whichever you like. I mean, that's a fun one to throw in there. I mean, is your child black? You can name her Aurora. You know, I don't know.

Take a shot. the dx batman that's right our girl rumors are that kendra sunderland could play the role is that for one of them uh power girl is essentially another version of supergirl just with with with the tattas the thing that you know the koi said everybody scared of uh multiversal power uh supergirl power girl uh sometimes clone but usually multiversal um i don't see why they said Kendra. I just Google this person. I see why they said Kendra.

I don't know that it's all right. Jesus, Jesus Fernandez. Greetings. Do we know what state the DC cities are? Like metropolis, Gotham, Star, City, Co-City, are they existing states are also fictional? So there's a really tricky thing where they got put in an RPG book because when you're

doing like role-playing games, you have to have it be tangible. But like, canonically, that became canon, but I think there's a lot of writers that are like, they're fictional. There aren't in those states. But because they're in these books from the 70s, they are technically. So it's a kind of who you ask question. Fair enough. Do we know?

Yada, yada, yada. Superman hype has me in a very D.C. mood. I haven't read comics as Rebirth, so anything you might recommend? For Superman, I love rebirth. I would also recommend, what's it called? for all seasons i would recommend all-star superman i would recommend uh whatever happened to the man of tomorrow i'd recommend superman up in the sky those are all great this is from the cali kit superman is the best dc movie of all time in my opinion uh i wouldn't share that opinion but i'm glad you have it

of all time no and is that supposed to be superman the movie from the the very first one i i and he's saying superman no no i understand i'm i'm being cheeky i i would disagree um i'm i'm putting the Dark Night up there and putting the Batman up there. Suicide Squad over it. The Suicide Squad. This is very good. I still think this is a very good movie personally, but I do not personally agree. It's a good movie. To me, it doesn't need, it's like my fourth favorite Superman.

Ralph Royd Design Company. Hey, boy, and Winston, like the Superman movie, I love seeing positivity. It's crazy what the box office takes are. I can't be saying the results for what DC needed. and Roka saying it was a box office failure. It definitely wasn't a box office failure. I've been battling Roka on that on Monday. Anyway.

He says it's a failure if it doesn't close 750. He's wrong. And he's also wrong. Because the other thing that we haven't talked about enough is that Warner Brothers as a whole is a business. So they're having a tremendous 2012. So when you look at Minecraft and all these other, they have like winners,

of all these movies that have made profit, it all comes back. And so when you have a movie that also, let's say, let's say it breaks even. It's the movie breaks even. The other movies made a profit. So Wonder Brothers is making a profit overall. It didn't lose money on it and everything. Okay, look it. Cancel that.

I put it this. It's enough for us. People are excited about it in general. Our fan base is excited. If the fan base wasn't excited, if it lost money, then it's a problem. Now, look, they probably, of course, wanted it to be a massive, huge success. But it was not a box office failure. That is, that is incorrect.

And I also would, I mean, but I guess I would agree with Campia that the results are what DC needed as far as overall encouragement in the brand. Joel, Familia, the Jarrell motivation change would make Zod's arrival more impactful, equivalent to Radits in Dragon. Yeah, I can, I can see that. I mean, it definitely, you know, I was mentioned earlier, this ties more to an old school Goku mentality of Goku was programmed to come, over destroy the earth hit his head lost the programming all of a sudden his relatives that are still alive or his people that are still alive are like bro why aren't you out here killing and congregant so you know interesting um armada if soup's parents wanted him to take over the world my question is why did they give him that costume is it supposed to be deceiving even supergirl has the same

suit well we don't have anything about like the s stands for hope or anything in this movie like that's not a factor so it's just like he's wearing you it and he wants to, you know, make sure kids aren't scared of him. So it's bright and vibrance and all those things. So we also don't know where the suit came from. Also, I know he wearing red and blue between her, the crips and the bloods. Like, they out here and you, like, take it over the streets in red and in blue. So, like, I don't know.

There's no Latin kings. Like, what's just like, I'm staying out of this. I don't want none of this. be freak do you have for you uh comics recommendations that is kind of like stephen king reading so i can so let's oh reading tin can society that was a see he missed so it made me think of the two phases of the looser pub from it uh i'm so glad i'm reading tin can society because that would have been hard to translate i see the see you missed uh i think stephen king's it his son joe hill writes comics uh so if you want to check out any of the joe hill stuff at

at DC. Highly recommend it. It's like this Hill House imprint. It's very Stephen King. Tin Cane Society is also great. But yeah, I'd check out some Joe Hill stuff. Also, check out anything from James Tiny in the Fourth. He's got very Stephen King's sensibilities. Cool dude, Kyle. What's up, Kyle? First time Super Chat. Thank you so much, sir. Really thinking a lot about Schnep, the King of Sweaties, the best. And what he would think about Superman and Fantastic Four, miss him. Same here. I think he would have loved Superman. I think so too. And I also know he'd love Fantastic Four coming out two weeks later.

Like he'd be so stoked for this summer in particular. Yeah, 100%. And he probably would be taking a big dump all over Jurassic World. Boy, in your, I know what you did last summer reaction with Roxy. What movie were you thinking of for Freddie Prince Jr. When you said American Pie? I was thinking she's all that. It's the same summer.

I was going to say that's completely different movie, but I was thinking American beauty, which That's very, very different. American pies rated R. She's All That, isn't it? It's in the same neighborhood. So I apologize. Freddie Prince from She's All That. And Wing Commander.

Yeah. Still, more people saying David Corden, what should be, Indiana Jones. Please stop casting things. Child, Esh, N.H. Predictions for the final box office for July movies. After now knowing how Superman and Jurassic World did with openings, you think Fantastic 4 will play better internationally.

It'll play better internationally than Superman. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I think it'll definitely play better internationally. I mean, if Rebirth is already 550 and Superman is already at 310, I mean, we'll probably look at, I think maybe a billion eight for July. Yeah, I think I think Jurassic World will do what I initially thought it was going to, it's going to be the, it's going to be the winner out of the three. unless Duras, unless Fantastic 4 just has a monster

worldwide. But the thing Fantastic 4 that it has outside of those two movies, outside of like naked gun, it's got no massive movie coming out on a team. August is pretty open.

It's going to have a long tail. Yeah. If people like it, word amount's going to help it. Yes. Agreed. Yeah. The John D.X. Dragon, the Jarrell message is great. Perfectly explains why Zod is the way he is.

When we, do get him in the future. Excited for Supergirls film slash her story. Will the sequel be a team up with the two? Maybe that's what he's working on. What are you going to think, Winston? I don't necessarily hate that idea, especially if you end up with, you know, the growth that Kara goes through. If now of a sudden she's more willing to work with her cousin because she's, you know, learned some lessons and all that kind of stuff, it could be interesting. I also think that like I am, I have been itching, like my skin itches waiting for Brainiac. So I don't care what, however we're doing it,

whether it's a sequel, a team up with the two of them. I just need Brainiac in my life. I do. All right. Mike, choice. Are we close? You're at 70. Okay.

With about 12 minutes left, you got to have a serious run here. You got to have a serious run. Coy, pay no mind to the haters. Most of them aren't smart enough to think for themselves and need people to tell them what to think. Here, Mike. Yeah, I appreciate you, Mike. Carlos, another member here.

Hey, Corey, you're still going to be on the DC showcase now that Superman is a theaters. Yeah, he said it with, uh, peacemaker. Peasmaker. Mike Joyce, Adrian Padilecki for Wonder Woman, good TV actress. How old is Adrian Patelike now? She played Wonder Woman before, but like 15 years ago. Nah, so she's not, she didn't, but that never aired though, right? No, no, no, I'm just saying she has played her.

I just think she's, I'd like to see her in the movie. I just, she's, she's, she's 42 right now. And that's not necessary. I mean, look, depends on what. version. She's gorgeous. But are they going to sign her for 10, 15 years? Do they want?

I mean, I don't know, but they could. We would need to know that she is, just from the standpoint of, like you said, 10 to 15 years, and Diana is supposed to be ageless. Right. She's not going to change for the next 10 years. I don't think they would do it. Unknown D-55-1-2.

Hey, guys, I slightly disagree with Alan being too big for bats. usually the two next to each other they have similar builds and it wouldn't mind being that's a little bit bigger hopefully who they cast fits what james is looking for that's fair point but i i just to me i just feel like superman needs to be like bigger dude i like the fact that batman's smaller and has to rely on his tech i like jim lee drawing them both like huge guys but i think in our reality seeing that big of a bruce wayne would be like well that's batman but it's also because richon is much bigger than corn like corn sweat got jack for the role but richon is is is is like rock level big.

It's a monster. Mr. Dave 2K. Gunn also said the Superman is very important in his next film, but is not a direct superman's to go. That's what I was referring to before. Will not be world's, will not be world's finest for BVS. I mean,

I hope not. I mean, I think they're going to build it out, but I think they got to get Wonder Woman and they got to get Batman out there first. So you're probably not going to see the next one for like four years anyway, at least. also see gun now taking a step back letting the universe build out with him guiding it and then maybe

he wants to do the first justice league movie down the line in like five or six years i still hope it's a mr terrific sequel and then superman's in it to set up things but i i want mr terrific spin off yesterday yeah i'd like to see i mean they mentioned television i like to see i think mr terrific movie might might i mean depending on what the budget is but it's i don't know if you if it's that's a hundred million dollar movie i think a tv show i'd love to see uh go pal it's like cummerbats said all you need is a good coat and a short friend he and pal are six foot even but seem really tall next to freeman and suenie true uh childish n h seems like superhero movies haven't been hitting in china post-covid like they did before that's very true

if dunderbolts had made an additional 60 or 75 from china it would be similar to ant man 2016 yeah i don't know they they've got given up on it i think over there i mean it's also very possible that you know there's been a big push for china's hollywood uh again the first and only billion dollar movie until leo and stitch was the movie out of china uh niz zah two i'm not familiar yeah that was that one yeah but i think like not to go into a whole political discussion i think the fact that america and china are kind of stuck in a big trade war thing that's also a thing to kind of stick it to us is to maybe not support as many american movies or not push them as much in China. So who knows?

It's Raf's. How does Roca feel about Gunn and Rick and Morty? He loved it. He said it was really funny. It was hysterical. Toy will not know this reference. Winston Will, once I remind him about, where's my fack and be? Max King in grasping at straws.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. When I sent it to him. But it was yeah, but Max King was great. Mark Franco. sent it peak Superman press week. And I was like, I can't wait to watch this later. And you didn't have, like, you didn't have a moment where you didn't have a quick

break and, like, have some water or on a walk or emails on the crap. I've been so busy that I've been getting all my like logistical work done while like. And I guess it's a good thing we didn't need to go wherever that con was anymore. Shit. And I'm going to Comic Con Wednesday. Like, I got, and I'm doing Fantastic Four Monday. Like, I'm screwed. And so there's a ComicCon.

Someone actually just texted me while I was in the middle of it. you go to Comic-Con? My response, nah. Stripe four, one out of two. Went to the Wu-Tang concert last night. It was a great show. Run the Jewel's kicked ass. I'm so happy to hear it. And Lauren Hill, oh, wow. And Mary Joom. That was awesome. It's made the crowd one apache. That's great.

Dude, Lauren Hill, Mary J. Blige, that's incredible. Mary Jay out here. Yeah, that's right. Wait, but Mary J. Blige had to have sung with Method Man. It had to have, right? Had to have, of course. legend m m 600 coi rocks guys got your back dude

love you guys thank you're just saying that because your facial hair that's right Trey porter also says it was also a sight to see the crossover in racial demographics that the woo have developed in the 30 plus years have been out absolutely everyone came out for the woo but then again they're for the children after all

the woo is indeed for the children there is Armada have you I hope you guys listen to the new clips album it's incredible not the whole thing but chains and whips is so good Dude, Coy, the whole thing, but Kendrick's verse, oh my God. This album's great, dude, but I mean, as a Kendrick dude, hearing that and keeping up, like, it's special. What did all G words for like the whole back half of the, oh, my God?

Dude, kaleidoscope, the opening referencing to Pimp a Butterfly, and then him referencing lines from a Pumper Butterfly, because the collidescope is a group of butterflies. There you go. Paul Hitchcock, sounds like Christian's echoing cubes advice to Dre. Hey, yo, gun, stick to producing. I think he's again I think he just for his own able to if you obviously if he wasn't producing

the whole damn thing and running the whole thing but yeah I go directs another one right another one if we knew that Saffron was actually doing more of the heavy lifting of running the studio and then Gunn still was but he was letting him do that then maybe but it seems like Saffron's kind of handling a lot more of the business side of things whereas Gunn is pushing stuff so yeah I think you got a

it is what it is yeah Let's see. Armada. So Cameron is not going to be tired enough after doing all the Avatar films to direct a World War II movie. What do you guys think about that? Is there a World War II movie he's doing next? I hadn't heard that. I haven't heard that one yet, too.

But I mean, I never doubt anything James Cameron says. If he says it, and he'll make a billion dollars. Yeah. You never bet against Cameron, ever. Armada, I like to take on Superbibbby Red Letter. They said that he is more of a Moses figure than Jesus. Seem like Man of Steel made soups more like a Jesus figure. Yeah, I saw that more so in Man of Steel, for sure.

I mean, he's a Jewish character, written by Jewish writers, and the boat from Krypton is like the boat floating down the river. It is a much more of that metaphor. Armada. Can we get Java saying I'm an action star? Yeah, sure. perfect god perfect god

thank you can you pink 54222 uh Henry Cavill should be Captain Adam in the DCU oh interesting you're not kind of ever putting him in there it's just like

it'd be so strange I think he's got it it's a marvel it would but if you got him what would have come back if if Cavill's okay with it then yeah um this this this this this is a different conversation that we had the other day i'll tell you guys the conversation the other day but mr universal boom says john burnthal's frank versus frank grillo's

right now in this circumstance john bernthal's frank went in real life frank grillo went 100% like that is and what i love is before they cast burntall frank grillo is my dream punisher and then they cast it oh yeah they just got punisher but in real life frank grillo would the man can fight. Isn't he pretty much Punisher in the, in those what the hell was? Yes.

I haven't seen them, but clips I've seen yet. And which movies? The Purge. Yeah, yeah. Dude, oh my God. Miguel ZP. 5 UN.

DCU Dreamcasting. Lakeith Sandfield as the question, Taryn Edgerton is Animal Man. I know neither one of those characters. I mean, yeah, I would rock with both of those. I just, I'm pulling for Edgerton to still, be Wolverine at some point.

I like both those dudes and I love both those characters. Yes. Lauren L-6-569. Coy, gun from St. Louis, not Mississippi. Makes him up in a review. I mentioned that he was, I'm from Virginia and then I moved to the city and I identify Smallville to Metropolis. I mistakenly said Mississippi.

I meant to say Missouri. Because he's from STL, Missouri. I apologize to Mississippians or Missourans. There you go. American Beauty. Go, pal. I remember being amused from the Aeroverse that they had Star City, National City, Metropolis, Gotham City, and Detroit, home of Vixen. And Detroit.

And Detroit. Nathan Drake, I think Koi has seen this, but Green Lantern Beware My Power is a great animated movie, and a good intro to John Stewart also has Adam Strange. Yeah, it's a great one. And the animated stuff's a great way if you don't like reading physical comics to learn these characters, and there are a lot of them are in HBO right now.

Go-Pel. Oh, this is a different go-pal. pal supergirl gave me major avel levin vibes really i can see that like the kind of the the punk rock like i i could yeah i could see it is she punk rock this small alternative isn't she like alternative punk yeah the skater girl she said see a little yeah i am too like cam anyway we get nightwing cast before the batman two comes out i really think we should meet bruce's true son before damien lantern scene is promising uh well you got to say i think it's just going to go the same thing that gun said you to see what scripts are done first and i and i also if we're doing now you're mixing the batman

with again the dc u and the brave and the bull type scenario i i mean we we're supposedly getting dynamic duo with with dick and jason so i think just lean on that and hopefully that ties in otherwise i don't know i'd expect some bad family news mild mannered comic nerd hey guys have you ever read superman earth one volume one and volume two the new superman movie did give me that vibe thanks I would say Koi. I love Earth One. I think Green Lantern Earth One's a little even better. I really like Green Lantern is the one. I like Superman Earth One, but it definitely is that like not quite your

one story going into year two in this case year three. I totally agree. And it's a really good read. They said that James Cameron's in their Hiroshima. I did hear that. Oh, right. I did hear that. I didn't connect that to, yes. No, I am too like him. Quay, are you going to audition for Wally West? What's your favorite DC movie? My favorite DC movie? I mean, I think that I would still say dark night's probably my favorite DC movie. If I was going to audition to be for Green Arrow, but I think Dark Night as well still.

I mean, Dark Night's a five-star film for me. I don't have a lot of those. Dark Night by a mile. And I, and I like other ones, but it's so good. Yeah, me too. J.R. Diaz, what's up, man? What's up, guys? Just a little round. Why did everyone expect Superband to have a big box office? Character never broke records, never translated overseas either. I think what it's doing right now is fine. I think the answer to that dude is because yes, traditionally you're right. You're 100% right. That it hasn't traditionally been big box office, but the internet does things to your head.

And when you see the trailers and you see the reaction and you, and again, when you're in any space all the time, you feel like what everyone's talking about in your space is what everyone is talking about. And it's never the case. But there was a lot of hype for this movie. that still did very well because there was enough to get the the big and problem in general it's hard to get people into movie theaters so the fact that they got people into the theater that wasn't just a kid's movie um was good news it just you know yeah just i didn't have that i i was telling people i had quite a few people on this show say superman was going to hit a billion dollars and i said that's going to be very unlikely because of what you're saying but uh guys

what do you think i i was hoping to hit a billion i didn't have um comps for the present in mind. I still was thinking about things from like pre-pendemic and more movies were then. And also like I'm very, I mean, there's very little on my algorithm that isn't Superman because I say it so much. I, you know, I'm plugged into that world way more. But I do think everyone's happy with what it's doing that have the expectations that were based on fact, not on hype. I'm excited because the team seems excited. um i'm sorry i just can getting i just got tagged on this thing i the state of where media is

today is is pretty disgusting uh oh no just like with with the junkets did you see the one junket where the woman asked the influencer asked Vanessa kirby about her resting see you next tuesday face they called it a resting face and not a resting bitch face uh something about something like that. I don't know what was resting, but something about having a see you next Tuesday face. And then, and then Pedro Mascal is like, no, no, no, it's a good thing. And she's like, and then there's this new thing where this guy's asking this, ridiculous questions. If he's going to be, if he thinks he's the first daddy.

What are you doing? What are you doing? It's like, the fact that any one of us or our friends that would sit down and actually have real conversations, and these are the people that are getting invited to these things. I don't get it. I don't know. I was doing numbers, man. But this is the kind of pressure you get on it. I know. And it's disgusting. And then if you bring it up,

then people get mad at you for bringing it up at the studio level. It's just awful. It sucks because I think about all the incredible questions. I'd spent time, real questions. I spent time like crafting and asking and all. I gave up. I'm even trying. I was doing interviews for you guys.

So I was doing a big push on the channel to do interviews. And I'm like, and I'm like reaching out to certain people. And I'm like, I'll go to where I have to go. and I'm not getting them. And I'm like, that's it. That was the dream for me. Like, that's why I do all of this stuff. But the more that fades, the more the excitement for this phase,

which means like new career. Francisco Montez, what I love about Superman is how the story unfolds each passing day. It felt welcoming and inviting. That's totally fair. I think a lot of people felt that way. Edit the movies. The Caves crew is whole again.

Happy Friday. That's right. Back. Aver was more pop punk than real alternative. Fair enough, says go, pal. 77 as we get towards the end here. Joe for show, you think Bizarro will show up in the next three

DC movies? I can't freaking wait for the Lobo promo for Supergirl. I'm looking forward to Lobo, to be honest. Lobo's going to be great. Yeah. Bizarro, eventually. No, I wouldn't see the next three. No, but eventually.

This is why I love Eric Slaiby. Are great, he's in here every day asking his questions, but clearly he came in just as important and he didn't watch the show today because he wrote, did you guys see the job? Watch our was going to ask a question, which was very nice. But Eric, we did about 30 minutes watching the interview today. He was reactions.

Oh, my God. Eric Slaby just did a me sometimes during the show. No, no, not necessarily because we can't confirm that he was actually there watching. Also fair. That's true. James Gunn dropped some new bits, including the Batman will not be in the DCU. Yep, we covered it. Also, both Batman Philips.

will not be released in the same year. Yep, we covered it. So, thank you. Thank you, Eric. But yes, we did about 30 minutes of that. Last one for now. Eric Slaby, what DCU film is Gunn likely writing? I'm hoping for terrific, man, because he likes to write off things. He just wrote like he likes to like, oh, I found a love of this character. I don't know if that's likely, but that's what I'm hoping.

Yeah. The question, now you've got that in my, buried in my head. I think that that would be a really fun project to do. The question is very... Like, Christian, easiest way to describe the question. Think Roershack from Watchman. Same thing.

Not quite as violent, but the same level of like, I'm doing this private-eyed detective work. I'm in your face. Blah, blah, blah. Eric Sleaby. My bad. He's got out of some meetings. David combo today.

Nathan Drake, I think every soups movie besides Superman Returns did better internationally than domestic. Man of Steel did 300 79 million international and 291 domestic. That's interesting. I think we're in a different place with the geopolitical landscape and the movie landscape than we were ever. Yeah, I agree. All right, 80, pretty damn good, guys. Don't touch Rocha on this one. Roka wins the week. Pretty excited with John Roke. He was hanging back. He won two at the last three.

So a big win here for John Roka, but the Capes guys fought tough. Coy, where can they find you? You find me on my YouTube at Coydjondra. We're at 48.9K. We are so close to 50K, you lovelies. When we do 50K, I'm going to do a 50 comic giveaway. So please join me over there. Everyone that subscribes is going to be eligible for 50 of my comic books.

Also, you can find me on Instagram. And yes, TikTok, I'm reluctantly, temporarily back on socials a bit more. You can find me at Comic Con from Thursday through Sunday. I'll be reporting for the Hollywood Reporter Thursday, Friday. Lots of clips. I've got 15 interviews over those two days. So you can expect a lot of stuff there. And then you can also expect me doing some DCC.

stuff on Saturday. Find me the Hall Age panel for Peacemaker. I'll be there all weekend. So we just got a confirmation. Quo will not be on the show next week. Go ahead. One's up. YouTube.com slash the swaggy, but I just feel like my dad keeps going to get milk and just isn't coming home. It's July. It's the craziest. No, it's fine.

It's fine. YouTube.com slash the swaggy blurred either tomorrow or Monday, check out my Fantastic Four theory video. I will be covering Fantastic Four, obviously, next week when it's out. Yeah, spill the tequila with Roca, here with with Christian and well with Christian yeah

that's pretty much it every week in August all right do you guys think we'll get a new James Bond name I mean eventually eventually not anytime soon I thought like they were going to name him rename Bond my cousin you know we even do

we usually always do it just maybe this is a me thing or maybe it's just not the hype behind it but we usually always do like a preview to what Comic Con is going to like show me I guess we can do that I mean, Friday, Winston, we'll probably have some news and stuff and trailers and things that have dropped. But like, we didn't even what, I mean, I guess quickly, obviously DC, Coy, you guys are doing a bunch of stuff there. Probably, but are, what are we going to see doomsday stuff?

What do you think we're going to see? I wouldn't be surprised if there's not like even a teaser or a trailer, but maybe like a little since they've been filming, maybe a quick like two minute, three minute scene just to get people hype. Because I think you want to. The Spider-Man thing, too? Are you saying just release it online? Because they're not going on. No, no, no. And just in that,

it's usually in the Marvel panel, they show like big things at Comic-Con. But like- I don't think they're having a panel. They're not even having a panel this year. Wow. Okay. So DC is to show you how tuned into it.

Yeah, yeah. Like, DC as a peacemaker. I know Universal has bad boys, too. And the bad guys. The bad guys. Not bad boys, too. That was 10 years ago. 20 years ago.

The bad guys, too. Will Smith's still singing. But I, think studio-wise, like those are the big panels as far as film. It's not as film heavy this year. Wow. He said they're doing a Marvel TV panel. Interesting. Okay.

Well, we'll see what is. Maybe that's why we haven't been covered. There's no like a big hype behind it. But either way, guys, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, anywhere podcasts are fine. Found we are on the Eclipse channel. You can find the whole show there if you missed it. So Eric Slaby, go back and watch the whole

James Gunn thing on the Clips channel. So head on over there. Thank you, for being here. Thank you to Coy. Thank you to Winston. Unlike Coy, you guys have watched grasping at straws, and I appreciate that. You can go and check it out. We're getting closer and closer to having news soon about the new show. I'll let you know. I should have something, hopefully, with the next couple of weeks. But thanks again, guys. Appreciate you. Bye.