The Kristian Harloff Show - Fantastic Four Will NOT have an Origin Story Shown in the MCU - Capes and Cowls

Episode Date: August 5, 2022

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Welcome back. It's Friday. And this is like the first but kind of unofficial first episode of Caps and Cals for the big thing. So we're pretty excited about it. myself, Koi and Winston. This is one of the last stream yard shows that we're going to do. Digital shows are, you know, everybody at home types of shows. I'm going to start back in studio. We've got some cool announcements coming up soon. So I'm excited to be able to talk about that. But this is like the first unofficial show.

So today, what we're going to be talking about, Fantastic Four. It came out that they're not doing an origin story once they come out and they have their phase six movie. on with this Craven the Hunter movie. It comes out in January, and people are just kind of sleeping on it. It's because it comes out in January. What's going to happen? Aaron Taylor Johnson was talking about a possible face-off at Spider-Man. I feel like every Sony movie that they're going to do is a possible face-off.

So Prey is a lot of comic book stuff with Predator. So there's stuff that Amber Mid-Thunder talked about and a lot of other things. There's a Godzilla-verse-Cquel, Deadpool 2 star Zazi Beetz plays Koi when asked about possible Deadpool 3 is Domino. So I think it's funny that something I'm going to talk about Winston. Winston was trying to guess the February movie that was the untitle. And none of us said Deadpool.

How did we not say Deadpool as that untitled February movie? Every movie that Deadpool has had so far has been in February and they haven't announced it at all. I can guarantee that that movie's coming out in either 2020, or excuse me, 2024, 2025. So that and other things, but make sure you subscribe to the channel. And you're going to start being able to catch capes and cows every Friday. And we'll be, unless we're doing rewatch. So make sure you do that.

And if you haven't already, Apple Podcast, Spotify, that's what this, this will be on every Friday. So let's get into it. It's capes and cows. It's the big thing. Let's do it. Do me a fellow, please. Get out of here. That's not what I wanted to do.

Get right right here, man. Jimmy et for Luis, get out of here. Get out right here, man. Shit. That's amazing. Welcome back to Capson, Pals. I love that that guy showed up. What do you think, what's...

I mean, that's sick. I remember you sending this over. I love that he designed you after Homelander, though, of all things. Oh, yeah. Is that something I need to be worried about? A request, man. That was a request. And look, God.

Look at Roxy Christian and Brett doing the work? today. Really. This is why this is the unofficial first. This is why. Yeah, we're beta testing. Stream yard is tough. By the way, so EPK music is provided that theme song, got the great diesel time who did the

logo. And then we're also, Wicked Art who did a lot of the Sith stuff. He did this for us as well. And these are dope. That's great. So, Coy gets to be Spider-Man and Deadpool and Winston gets to be Batman each time. And I get to be Homelander each time. And I'm cool with it.

I'm here for it. Where are T-shirts? Just like show now, I'm coming for the T-shirts. I know, because it's funny because I got the message via IG, but like way after it was done. Because, like, you know, you know, if it's people you don't, you don't know, it like puts it in a separate little folder or whatever. Yeah.

And he asked, he was like, well, I was like, damn. I mean, it would have been either Batman static shock or, or Black Panther, yeah. I know you guys well enough that I requested. I mean, if you look at, if you look at this, one. This is like Batman meets Black Panther. Yeah, exactly. The way he's holding, especially the way he's holding the batter rings

or the Winston ranks. Yep. Yeah. I mean, Corey's always going to get either Deadpool or Spider-Man. And then, because he, I forget who he asked for me and I was like, nah, I want Holander. Jesus Christ, Christ.

No, Winston, we should be worried. Did you learn nothing from season three? Look at this. Look at this. Same thing. And it's like, so that's why, so all three of them, it's like, I got for, for, for Sith, I'm the the freaking emperor and for, and for this, it's, it's, it's homelander. Jesus. I worry what Christian thinks of himself. Maybe we should stay. I'm really, I'm not sure about the safety of in studio anymore. No, you're probably, you're smart. You're smart. Well, look, you did, you did host Hall H. So what do I know about it?

I mean, here I am. I posted a picture of John Burntel today and I was waiting for the guff. I was waiting for it. I didn't see it. I didn't see it. I'll get the text later. I'll get that then. Good for you. No, that's awesome. That's awesome.

You kick an ad. We break chops because we love, but we're always going to break chum. He's got this really cool podcast about like modern masculinity. And it's like really hard to talk about that in the 2022 space because of a homelander. Yeah. And like those type of things. So it was really,

it was really cool to talk to him about something beyond comics, like, which I think was nice for him to not be like, oh, this guy. So we talked about like masculinity and podcast culture and like the world today. So he's, a great dude man like what a what a impossibly charming man yeah it's funny my my buddies went to college

with him um for like their first year where the hell they go um shoot i can't i can't remember the name of if you said it i was like oh yep they all they all went there together anyway uh well good i'm glad you got a chance to talk to him but we have some stuff to talk about today because it's the way that our show is going to work from different comic book movie shows that we've done in the past it's very similar to Sith Council. And what I mean by that is there's going to be topics that we want to talk about, but we're going to go where we go. And we're going to talk about what we want to talk about. And that's kind of the beauty of this channel in general, right? So that's, that's, honestly, we could have episodes where we just talk about one topic for 45 minutes to an hour.

There might be other shows where we talk about 17 topics in a course of like two or three minutes each. But there were some stuff that came out this past week. And one of the things, I think the the start here we'll start with koi with the fantastic four there is kevin foggy confirmed recently that fantastic four is not going to do an origin story and they're going to take a look at um you know just right into the story itself and just we we recognize we know who the fantastic four is go and to me that is identical for what they did with spider man obviously when they i think spider man in civil war had been spider man for like four months or something like that yeah i think this is the right way to go. I don't think anybody really needs another movie where they go into space and then they get their powers and they come back. I think just throw them into the MCU and I think that's the way to go. But do you feel otherwise, Quay? I totally think that's the move. And I also think that implies they're already in our universe. I think we're going to meet them before their movie. So not only is this telling us a bit about their movie. It's telling us a bit about what we're doing in phase four into five leading up to their movie. So I think we're going to meet them. I've been hearing rumors that thing is in Shehulk.

So I think it'll be really interesting if we get them as soon as this month. That's cool. Yeah, that's now. So I don't think it's a coincidence. There's more talk about Fantastic 4 up to D23. And then if we meet them leading up to D23, it might be a good way to show the entire cast on stage. I would expect D23 to be very X-Men, Deadpool, and Fantastic 4 heavy. I would expect confirmation on cast of Fantastic 4.

I would think we get Deadpool teases. But I think there's a high likelihood we meet. three or maybe all four of them leading up to their movie. And I think we get Doom and Black Panther. So I think we're going to get a lot of established beforehand. You know, that's an interesting thing that you said about Shee Hulk and Winston, the reason why when Coy says that,

I'm like, and again, Coy, sometimes you're dead on and then sometimes you're like, oh, that person might show up. That's my theory. And like everything else, I do with Star Wars, it just doesn't happen, right? So I think that this particular one is possible for Shehulk because it comes out in August and why then did they announce it at Comic-Con because they wanted to get ahead of it.

You know, like, hey, we got Fantastic Four coming out. And then, oh, you know Fantastic Four is coming out. How about this? You know, the years of build, start the character planning. And then you can use D23 for your properties. Yep. Yeah. I mean, and it would be the, it would be the second, like you said, we got Mr. Fantastic or a version of him in Multiverse. So you're, you're one by one, like you just mentioned, Koi introducing the team. So I wouldn't be surprised by that. And I, if I had to guess just because one of the main, I mean, Kang has messed with everybody, but one of the main people that Kang is constantly dealing with is the Fantastic Four. I would even venture a guess that we're getting potentially the entire Fantastic Four in Quantum Mania. I think they're trapped in the quantum

realm in. I think they're in that little city. I was talking about like I think that we're going to see that little city, much like Superman's little bottle city. And I think it's a fantastic four in there. I wouldn't be surprised by that at all. That would be really interesting. That would explain why they didn't show up to deal with Thanos, why they didn't get snapped out of existence and all that kind of stuff that Reed found this on his own. Because if I even remember, though, it feels like it was more of an Easter egg,

but during Winter Soldier, when it's looking at all the threats, there is a meant, like you see Stephen Strange as a threat. You see that, you know, Reed Richards is a threat, all that kind of stuff. It really felt more of like a tip to the hat. But I would just assume that there's no way that folks don't necessarily know who they are. They're just not relevant because maybe they've been trapped in the quantum room for a while. And the origins like are much like Spider-Man's, very well-known and very lean. Like Spider-Man got bit by a spider.

These guys get hit with cosmic rays. We know that story. And we've seen two movies attempt the origin and failed in its own way. So I think it's kind of smart to be like, hey, we're already in. already established. And it feels more like the Marvel movie formula where there's momentum. Things are rolling. We did Shang-chi with an origin story, but it didn't feel like it was separate. It felt intentionally in another world and then had things tie it together. I think that's the best way to do an origin this deep in the game.

So the other way to do it is to put them throughout other properties. And I think that's what we're going to get. And the other part of it too, Koi, like you said, you had to do that with Sheng because a vast majority of people had no idea who that was. Whereas the fantastic for not only already knowing from the movies we got they are some of the most famous superheroes ever they're called the first family of marvel for a reason so like you don't need to retread through that again you know yeah you know it's funny you also mentioned you mentioned chung chish um star shung shang shio's also talking about how involved he's going to be over the next couple of years and people started speculating even more so where does that mean he's going to show

up where does that mean he's going to um will he be showing up in aunt man will he be showing up in um in all these movies that are coming out or will he start showing up in tv shows and i think we mentioned on the show last week that we're all pretty convinced especially with knowing who's directing the first avengers that he's going to be one of the avengers is that what do you think about that one is then pretty accurate oh i spot on i think i think very much so um uh you know it's it's it'll be curious to see if Yelena ends up an Avenger or not or if like obviously she ends up as a member of the Thunderbolts or

what it is. So you're going to need somebody that's kind of doing like the martial fighting and I think that Chongchi very easily fits into that gap and has already shown since he's got the 10 rings now that like he's actually got a decent amount of power. He's not just beating people up. He can really mix it up

with some big bad. So I'm I would put money on that for sure. Coy, what do you think? I think Simu's like one of the most charming people we've met in the MCU. So I think I, as much as I want to see anyone in the Avengers, I want to see Simu interacting with other characters. Like, that movie was great because it was able to walk that line.

But how exciting is it now to have that character established enough to then incorporate into things? He's also, like, such an avid martial artist that I'm really excited to see that element brought to the MCU. So I'm bullet train last night. And one of the things I really liked was how much they, since David Leach is a stunt coordinator and now director, he's always been invested in the actual fights and the actual sequences. So love, bullet trainer, hate it. There's so much going on that you would only get

with that man at the helm. And Simu being there last night, like, it was cool to talk to him about his reverence for stunts and his ability to be in this giant, you know, world of Blockbuster, but how much he's invested in the, in the detail. Like, martial arts is so much about the little moments. So seeing him around that stunt community and like being invested in that makes me more excited for the MCU than anything because I like the tangible side more than the abstract. I can understand it. If you don't like it didn't like bullet train, okay, but if you hate bullet train, you're you hate fun. Yeah, it's a blast. It's just I'm so excited for this movie. It's just fun, dude. It's just like, look, it, it is a movie that definitely goes and grabs the late 90s, early 2000,

smoking aces, Tarantino want to be type, you know, Guy Ritchie movie. sometimes the music's too loud. Sometimes the jokes don't hit, but it's fun and it's a little too long. But other than that, I had a blast with it, man. I had a blast with it. But anyway,

I was impressed that it felt like Guy Rishi had a baby with Looney Tunes and I wasn't bothered by either. Because like those two things should only work one way and it's this way. Did you just say that this is a Guy Ritchie Space Jam? Oh, I did. Oh, I did. It's got the Space Jam cast to your dreams.

Amazing. There's a good cast for sure. But speaking out another movie that I think will be out, I think it's today, if I do my calculations correct, is prey. And so there was an interview with Amber Midthunder, who is the lead of this movie. And she talked about her role as Now Ruin the Predator Reboot, and this is from ComicbookMovie.com. And she explained how she was prepared for the role.

And it was like seeing the Predator on set and possible sequel plans. Now there's no spoilers here. So prey tells the story of a young woman, a real fierce and highly skilled warrior who has been raised in the shadow of some of the most legendary hunters who roam the great plains. So danger threatens her camp. She sets out to protect her people, the prey she stalks, and ultimately confronts turns out to be a highly of all the alien predator. Okay. So she's she has a full interview with them that you can go and check out. But she just talks about what it was like. And I think, Coy's you're going to see that. The taping goes. You see it.

Winston, you haven't, you haven't seen it yet. All right. So this movie, what I've said, my review at this point will be up on the channel. So you'll have seen it. Hopefully you've seen it. My, I think that I have to go back and watch Predator 2. So when I, when I saw this the first time, initially made my, had my reaction.

I said, I think it's the second best predator movie. It doesn't touch the first one. Again, I love Perry Nemeroff. Love her. She's, but she said it to her. And this is her opinion. Her opinion, this is her favorite predator movie. That's going to be hard for me ever to accept.

Predator 97 is one of my favorite. Did you get one of those like, because if you didn't get one of these, then I feel like it can't, because that's, that is, that is iconic. Kind of not in this. Remember, this is a prequel because like, oh my God. No, no, no, I know. That's what I'm saying. If you don't get a moment like that, how it's, yeah, right, right.

It's a very different, but what I liked about it, and again, I have to, I, what I, I re, we went back, step back a little bit and said, I think this is the best Predator movie since Predator 2 is, is now what I say. Because Predator 2 is very enjoyable. Danny Glover, man. It's, I love Predator, too. It's as do I. And Gary Busey's in that again, so come on. Oh, fight a, I'll take a predator and, and chase him down the woods, and then together we will realize that trees equal sanity of life. What? Yes. Okay. Thank you, Gary.

So anyway, because after that, just a bunch of movies came out that were just, it's like the crow, just throw out a whole bit and then Terminator and throw out all these movies. What I liked what this movie did, and the reason that I was so high on it is the fact that it is a smaller budget movie with a really good star, but it's a low budget cast because they're not major stars, so they probably didn't cost that much. but it's a star turn for her. And this director of 10 Cloverfield Lane, it's violent,

it's got more of that horror feel to it. There's a couple of times that I'm like, that's a little, like really unrealistic. I mean, and there's someone can go, well, an alien coming out and hunting people's unrealistic too. It's like, yeah, I get it.

But what they've set up inside of the world, flips and back flips and all that kind of stuff, not necessary. It reminded me of like in Jurassic Park 2 with the gymnast flips and all that stuff. You don't need that kind of stuff sometimes. But for the most part, really enjoy what I was watching.

And it seemed like a small budget horror film that I think more franchises should take. Terminator course should do this. I agree. And I think that's why Perry liked it. I'm really excited because I hear about it being so distinguished from the other ones. And I think that's what you need. Like if you're going to like make a franchise back to life, you need to make sure you carve out your own new niche because trying to be the old niche isn't working.

I think this era of nostalgia has its place. And I love when modern movies have 80 sensibilities, but you're not going to ever make a movie feel like, you know, that thing again. Like lightning can't strike twice with a thing. So learn from that, find your foundation, and then play with the genre and tone. It's working for Marvel. It'll work for other stuff. Right.

And, you know, even at the point I know it's gotten a little dark and how things have moved. But Creed, again, a great example. You, like you said, carve out your own niche, carve out your own little area where you can still connect to the universe in whatever way, but do your own thing. And I would love to see that with Terminator. My question is, where would you go, Christian?

If you were to try to do that. For Terminator, I mean, it depends on whatever story. I mean, look, the beauty that Terminator has is that you can play with time whenever you want. You know, like what I thought was smart about this with predators. They also went back in time because the predator can do that, obviously. whenever the predator shows up and it was 300 years beforehand. And the other thing that you really want to melt your brain is no one is saying, because like I said,

I said, this is a sequel, right? And they're like, oh, it was a prequel. I mean, now look, it very well could be a prequel because it takes place 300 years beforehand.

However, because of time and because of space and because of all that, this could have been the alien that let's, let's say the first alien in 1987, his name's Fred. And Fred lost a, Dutch and Fred got killed and all that stuff too. And be like, ah, man, you're having a friend of Fred?

Yeah, man. He tried to go up against Arnold and two. Yeah, and then Louis went down and Gary Busey and took him out. And then this happened, this happened. And then this guy's doing this and they're going to planets. What's Jerry doing? Well, Jerry figured it out. Jerry's going back 300 years. He's going to go back even more so.

He's flying through it. So it could still be a sequel. So shut up. He's killing baby Hitler. He's going to kill the earlier one. And he's going back 300 years before. And this time he hits it. But, you know, he runs into a problem.

with the Comanche's. What I will say about Prey also, by the way, and I'll answer your question about Terminator 2nd, but the other thing about Prey is that there's a version of the movie, and I don't know if you're seeing that tonight, Coy, but there's a version where it's the Comanche version where they're... It's the premiere, so I'm sure it's going to be the English, but I want to see that one badly.

I would prefer to see that one now, and I'll tell you because a couple of times, and this is not against her, Amber, because it's just what she was, the language seems very modern sometimes. And it doesn't seem like, it seems like she's just talking as if she's talking, like we're talking like we're talking.

Yeah, it doesn't seem like the way people would talk English back in 300 years ago. So that was, so that's why I was like, I'd rather see this, I think that it will play even. I love that they have that. I mean, that's that's kind of unheard of for a film of the scope to have two full versions. That's genius.

I understand why. I understand why because you're gonna, because not everybody's gonna do it. I have a whole damn thing because there's French people that show up and they're all they're all dubbed, which I loved. They're all dubbed. And I get why they did it because if the Americans are dubbed, then the French should be dubbed.

It's just like if it was all subbed, it should be all sub. Like if it's all alien, then it's all alien. But the only thing is that what I understand is that you're going to get people who turn it on and who look at this whole thing's in subtitles. I'm trying to see you later, Corey. I got a call as the predator. I was like so. That was not.

So, but yeah, so I get it. I just, I want to see that. But Winston, as far as Terminator goes, the first Terminator, everybody loves Terminator 2. Everybody loves Terminator 2. And I really, really enjoy Terminator 2. I think Terminator 1 is far superior. I think it is far superior. Really?

And I've said this many times over since my days on Shmo's. It's far superior. You also said that about alien over aliens, didn't you? No, I like aliens more so. I understand why people liking. I can under, it's the same. The genre thing. We're talking about it.

There's those genres thing. Aliens, and I think aliens is more of it. Similar to T2. They're both sci-fi action movies, and the first ones are both horror movies. Absolutely. But I just think there's something, there's just something more simple.

And I love T2. I really do. But T1 to me is that simple premise, and it was low budget. It was a science fiction horror film, but it was raw, and as a kid, it just, it terrified me. But it also, I was just blown away by it, right?

And they've never, and once they went to T2 in that grand scale, they never came back. And they need to go back. They need to go back to that same type of feel and shoot it something like this. Shoot a movie like this for Hulu for Terminator. Maybe that's the fix. And like, you look at the Sarah Kroner. Sarah Kroner. Sarah Kroner.

Have you seen Sarah Kroner? You know what I do it. And next, I don't know if you guys heard this, but recently it came out that he fought it in the lady's face. It came out and then there's this great story. And the Harry Potter lady, she came out and told about it. And it was during one of the movies and I fought it in the face. That's what I'm going to do to the next terminator. I'm going to grab him and then take that.

And all that protein man, what he was consuming back then? Oh, yeah. Taking her out. Oh, God, damn. Like an Arnold protein fart would be... Come on. Eggs, meat. Hosta deista.

God. Yeah, silly. Damn. I need your clothes, boots and motorcycle. You think it became the governor. We just farting everyone's... That orb when he lands is actually just gas. Like, he just clears out space.

Like, that's how he travels through time. Boom goes to dynamite. That's actually how he killed everybody in that bar. Exactly. Yeah, no, the war of the Terminator, we see. and the opening a T2 is just armed with gas. Stay out as a blast one. We've all spent more time with family lately.

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It's a really good show for a while, and then it just became like, you know, adventure of the week type thing. But I also think what happened to that show was that show needed streaming. That show needed to be on the streaming platform because now you can do shows between the whether it's six, eight, 10, 12 episodes, and you can tell your story. On network TV, we need 22. And it's like, yeah, we don't know what,

what's she going to do with Terminator now and this and that. And budget, like you're going to spread out eight episodes budget. Like, and then you have to do the villain of the week thing. Yeah, and I think that that's what they should do with Terminator is to go back and make a page off of prey

and do a low budget TV movie, do whatever it might be. Linda Hamilton and Michael Bean didn't cost nothing. to do when you back then find people who are really great actors and get them and yes maybe get one big star and arnold was getting big at that point you know he was a big obviously a massive star in the bodybuilding world and he did conan the barbarian but he wasn't Arnold and he was and he wanted to play and i think he wanted to play that i can't remember i think i don't i can't remember if it's he wanted to play the good guy and cameron wanted him to play the bad guy or the opposite but something

like that i just remember that oj thought no one had believed that that Cameron thought no one would leave OJ as a villain and that's a dark one is that well listen back then that's that was true that's what I'm saying is it's so crazy that like back then he was selling hurts bro he wasn't out here hurting people not exactly selling hurts behind closed doors and then I chase me see we're gonna go get into Bricon Christian I think I see even what kind of allowed Sarah Connor Seraconna Caronica to work that first I don't know if you remember that first season was what in 08 and you're dealing with the writer strike at the time. Right.

So it was only nine episodes. They were going to do a 13 episode season and it only ended up being nine and then the second one. Okay. How many was the second episode? The second season. 22. So that was that became the issue is that when you were truncated, you're exactly right. They naturally got what streaming did for a lot of shows.

What do you guys think about? We're kind of cycling the other way. What do you guys think about the 18 episode Daredevil? Well, a great question. it really depends. I don't think it doesn't seem like they're going to make a show 18 episodes if they don't have a story to tell. And there's a huge comic story.

Born again is and like, but that's four and a half months of Daredevil. But that's what I mean, though, that they have to have a story to tell because they're not, what we were just talking about with Network, like Lost. Hey, we really like Lost and we want you guys do 22 episodes. And Linda Lost like,

what, 22 episodes? Good Lord. that doesn't happen with Marvel. Our plan for this is, okay, we got Oscar Isaac. He only wants to do six episodes. All right, well, that's all right. We can do a six episode. Those can be 35 minutes, 45 minutes, fine. Yeah, that's great.

Let's do that. This Daredevil thing that we have, what's the name of the, the, uh, born again. All right. So born this morning. We can do this. But man, this is a long angle, dude. So what are we going to do? Can we do 18 episodes or what's 18 episodes? Can we do that many? Yeah, we put them out, do that, incorporate Echo,

and do all this stuff and bringing in DeNafrio and so you're saying the modern TV era especially with Marvel they have the story first then they chop accordingly. Yeah because versus the other way. Because they're calling their shots. It's the network back in the day would help

They're making it in-house So why would they listen? Winston was just saying with Terminator Right? So Terminator comes out they do those seven or eight episodes and it they tell the story they want to tell in seven everybody loves it and then they come back after the strike and it's like okay great let's do 22 and then it just gets watered down because it's like they have to force it out to get the sponsors do all that Marvel's calling the shots as far as their material and they go this is this is like the biggest one that I think any series has done in streaming a while right what was the last 18 episode streaming series outlander could not tell you I couldn't tell you honestly because the most I can think of is about 13 and that's even on a comedy outlander had my my my wife

been watching Outlander. And, and I think... Netflix, but it was started on BC. Okay, so that's kind of got a formatting thing too. Yeah. Well, boy, but it was, but it's, it's a raw. It's 16 episodes still. Netflix was 13 for the Netflix Marvel shows.

And that was Netflix in-house. Right. Marvel's been six, which is too short, in my opinion, for some of the shows. What? It was, it was 10 for Wanda. Nine, I think for Wanda, because I remember thinking it was an odd number. I think it was nine for one. I think it's been six for everything else. And I think what if was like nine?

Eight or nine. You know, if they were going to do this, what I would actually prefer, because they've gotten really good at telling these two little arcs, or telling these small like six episode arcs, then give me nine episodes, give me a broken up season. So the way you would look at regular network and you would start in August, take the winter hiatus,

come back in like late January, early February, do the same thing with Born Again. Give me nine episodes and leave me on a cliffhanger. Give me some time to breathe. See, I'm excited for four months of straight daredum. Because we haven't had that. And how long has it been since we've been like, let's watch four months of a show? That's why though, because of what I just said.

Like if it, Winston, I will agree with you if we're watching it and it feels like, okay, they're just kind of pulling in a lot of filler here. Why do they just make this two seasons as opposed to? No, no, no. They have a full story that they want to tell because. that leads into the phase that they need to go into. Winston, be you read Born again? I haven't read Born again.

I'm not familiar with this. We should do. And if, if Christians down, we should all read it leading up to the show because we got years. And then that way we have like an informed comic opinion to be fun. If new to comic Christian, first in comic Coy Winston, and then we dive into it with the comic expectation. I mean, I'm totally down. I mean, to be honest with you, I've been digesting. I've been digesting so much.

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I am. They're delicious, man. I mean, what's their not to love about it? and I genuinely also just really appreciate how I feel on it, especially I'm in the middle of Whole 30 right now, and I try not to use pre-workout. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Athletic Greens has been, I do,

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all right. So we were, Winston, you're talking about the X-Men, right? So you're trying to figure this out and where they're going to show up. And because we, I think that the fantastic four thing, now that Koi says that with, um,

the thing showing up. I think that's more and more. I think it makes more sense because they've announced it already. Like X-Men they've been sprinkling in there. You get Namor, obviously, Ms. Marvel now confirmed with the little, um, little X-Men music.

Oh, here's something to bring up before we hold on the X-Men thought because I wanted to bring this up and I don't want to forget. Andor was pushed back. And I think this is a good move. for Shee Hulk because now I don't know overall maybe you guys can fill me in but this is what I've heard. Ms. Marvel to me was one of the one of the better Marvel shows but it didn't do very well.

Now there could be a lot of different reasons and one of the reasons it didn't do well is because Obi-1 and Ms. Marvel dropped on the same day. That to me. Yeah, that was a mistake. And that was a mistake. It looks like they're learning from that mistake and they're moving and that's also probably one of the reasons that they're moving and or is because they also don't want to drop the same time as Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones and have to deal with that wave of marketing.

So seven weeks is not, or like I think it's a six week delay, because it wasn't even supposed to be out this week. But like, I think the delay is reasonable and it gives them a little time to leave. But I hated that Obi-Wan and this Marvel the same night because it was like I enjoy both, but I don't want to be up until 2 a.m. Like I think, and some people can casually watch, but they're not targeting that audience for the, like we're the advertisement, right? like us diehards whether it's twitter whether it's us that are lucky enough to do it professionally whether it's whatever but we as an audience are the reason these shows get as big as they do so

if you're inherently making the diehards compete for your attention i think that's a bad move it is and you know you could see it Winston maybe the argument at first as well you know as coy was just saying we put him out at the same time and they'll watch they'll watch obiwan today and then they'll watch miss marvel tomorrow but what they weren't taking in consideration was with the ticot generation with YouTube with all this stuff is that when people are searching through their stuff and they're just talking about Obi-Wan, that's in the cycle for at least a couple of days. And then the other ones start to go away and Ms. Marvel, because I can tell you personally, I watched that whole thing. And I was covering, obviously, Obi-Wan, and I would watch Ms. Marvel in the same,

like either the next day, you know, but I would lose, because everything on my channel was going to Obi-W-W-W-W-W-W-W. Yeah. Yeah, I had all that stuff. And then I would go, okay, you know what, I'll get to Miss Marvel the next day or the next time. I'm like, oh, you know what? I'll just cover it again next week because I missed it. And then I think I covered four out of this. How many were there? Were there six?

There were six? I think I covered four out of the six or three out of the six. And the only reason I remember the first three was because I got the screenings earlier that I could go out and say it. So I think this is a good move. Winston, do you think it's a smart move for She-Hulk that they're getting it out of the way? I would. You know, like if you were going to do this, I think this was the biggest problem. If you were going to release them both,

then give them at least separate days. To put them both on Wednesday, to me, was a massive mistake because the other thing that they bank off of are those people that wait till midnight. And then you got to make a decision. Am I going to watch Obi-Wan or am I going to watch Miss Marvel? And like you said, fatigue, a thousand percent kicked in for me.

I ended up having to binge watch the end of Miss Marvel because I was like, I just have the energy for everything that's going on right now. So I genuinely hope, and this to me seems like the big thing that they should do. I know you've got slightly different audiences with Star Wars and Marvel and all that kind of stuff. Pick one to be the flagship. And if you want to maybe introduce Miss Marvel the last week of Obi-Wan thinking you could do a carryover, that'd be one thing. You can do the old TGIF thing and it can lead into the next thing.

Remember, they'd be like, and tonight after the finale of Drew Carey is the season premiere of, like that is. Like that is something, but like not every week. Right. Right. And the other thing, and we talked about this on, we had Miguel Fernandez, who is a really great writer for Star Wars Newsnet. He was on Sith Council this week. And I agree with what he was saying.

I don't understand still the same. You're still going to get a lap with She Hulk and Andor, right? Because I think She Hulk is nine, nine episodes or ten episodes, Corey. Do you remember? I think it's nine because I think they're between six and nine, but it could be wrong. It could be 10. Okay. Either way, it's, it's, there's more, there might even be, let me, let me see many of those

She-Holkas, but either way, it's going to have a lap at one point. Because, yeah, and there's only seven weeks from right now. Yeah, it's, there are nine episodes, yeah. So there are nine episodes, but the problem also is, why not drop one on Wednesday? Why not drop one on Friday? Why are they dropping both on Wednesday? I assume it's because they, they found through whatever, whatever algorithm that, people on TikTok, people on social media are on it more during the week.

And then maybe the weekends belong to movies. Yeah, I know maybe, but you still have two shows on at the same time. So like separate them. Yeah, I definitely think it should be. I was thinking I was thinking I was thinking that maybe they're just worried about the whatever movie release because you don't want a Disney movie to eat into your Disney. August and September, there's nothing going on right now. And the other and the other thing, by the way, is, why isn't Ms. Marvel on right now?

there is nothing on right now like nothing it's nice to breathe for us but it would have been nice it would it would this would have been if we had waited for obi one i want to say this would have been the week of like her finale which would have been perfect it's been dead air yeah like this would have been the perfect time then you have like a week or two you're competing with bullet train which is which is a different audience completely and it's in the theaters you get prey rated our movie it's like why they didn't put miss marvel maybe i mean again you guys know From the beginning, I was saying I thought Miss Marvel would lead to X-Men. I thought it was DoDC, though.

I predicted it like seven out of ten of the way. I assumed that they had it come out the week before Comic-Con because they were going to make Comic-Con X-Men heavy. But when they didn't, I was like, well, then it would have been nice to be cash. It would have been nice to rest. I'd love to see the reasoning for that and wondering why. That's a question that I would love to ask Fikey. I'd love to ask them.

Why do they do that? Why do they overlap shows? And, you know, and maybe it's one of those questions. And maybe he has conversations with, uh, with Disney about it. I don't know. It's just, it's, it's very interesting. But, um, I don't know. Let's, let's also move on.

The other news that came out was that Tomb Raider. There's a sequel that was scrapped after, um, Tomb Raider. It's more of a game, I guess, in comics. But like, like I said, on this show, we're going to, it's, it's more about the geeky stuff than just comic book, heavy, specific stuff, you know. So Tomb Raider. It's all welcome. No, not at all.

It's like, it's the geeky stuff. That's the stuff. That's really what Capson Cal is about. So Tomb Raider sequel is scrapped after MGM loses franchise rights, reboot with new star officially in the works. It's like the 87th version. I didn't mind the Alicia Vakander version. I actually thought it was pretty fun.

I actually thought it was, I thought she had more of a, I don't know. I think I even liked it more than Angelina Jolie ones, to be honest with you. But MGM waited too long to move forward with the Tomb Raider sequel starring Lisi Vakander, and now reboot is now officially.

the works with Laura Croft. So find more details on that after the jump. Okay. Let's see. So the studio had until May this year to get cameras rolling and it has passed. Now Hollywood movie studios have a barked on something of a bidding more for the IP. The trade confirms that Vakanda is no longer attached and it'll be a total reboot. So 2018, Stumerator earned 275 at the worldwide box office and met with New Yorker reviews.

not much it cost but the two movies starring angel and jolie were similarly underwhelming with combined total combined total of 432 million so there's success to be found but not but clearly not this current iteration of the franchise anyway uh after the success of uncharted it's probably and sonic and sonic and i have seen part one by the way so good man what'd you think i like it was very it was really cute it's fun right a lot of fun yeah i like to i i would honestly say it might be the best video game adaptation period like i mean i know we're they're still trying to figure out the kinks in in um doing those types of uh movies but it might be my favorite one ever i think sonic two is my favorite ever and sonic one's not from behind and that's saying a lot like

and that's and that's because eiderselba's knuckles i'm curious about what i first of all have you have you guys seen and we can get back this two meter story in a second have you have you have either one of you guys seen the resident evil series on uh netflix not yet no no is it good how So I started watching it. It definitely had a walking dead feel to it for sure. I mean, that's the obvious. But I,

I didn't finish it because I was watching and then my daughter came in and obviously it wasn't appropriate for her. So I turned it off and never went back to it. But, Coy, is it any good? I really liked that it felt more like they loved the video game and said they were trying to be the video game. And I think that's a really important distinction.

I think my biggest issue with, like a great example is Hellboy. I think Ron Perlman and Guillermo del Toro loved the comics and they made a movie of the comic. Whereas I feel like the one with David Harbor was trying to be the comic on screen. And I think that's really dangerous. Adaptation versus translation. Comics should be adapted. They should not be translated. The mediums are separate for a reason and the strengths of each medium should be respected. What I like about the Resident Evil show is that it feels like the people that are making it love umbrella. They love the world. So I got to as a fan of the old

PS1 games like way back in the day, it felt like I was immersed in the world, but they weren't trying to make the game a show. So I dug it, but I also appreciate the more absolute. extract slow burn concepts than some of the fans might because I don't love gore. I love story. And so there are some episodes that are just like, you know, think pieces about the morality of man that I found more interesting that others might. But I got a lot out of it. All right.

So let's see. So this Tomb Raider story then is this, I mean, obviously if you can get with the world of IP and the way IP is and using uncharted as an example, if you can get your hands on this, you do it and you find a way to do it. Now, the question is, do you think that this will wind up being a movie? It looks like they said it's going to be, or should they start looking into a potential series with doing this on a streaming and going to an HBO Max or going to a, whoever picks out, whatever studio picks it up could do it, or do they, or they just think there's too big bucks in the film version. I'm just saying, you look at those numbers with all three

of those movies coming in slightly underwhelming, does it maybe play better as a high-budgeted TV series? I mean, if you put it in a way of like this island or this tomb or whatever is a season,

don't make, instead of making it like and this week we're going to check out whatever if you're like, she's dealing with this the way you would the video game which would be 60 plus hours in one locale. If you do the same thing with each TV season.

I think that that would be phenomenal, honestly. Yeah. It would depend on how they paste it because when I personally think adventure and like swashbuckling, I think movies. I think romancing the stone, Indiana Jones, like all those things. There's not a lot of iconic adventure shows. I could be wrong. I'm way more versed in film than TV, but my instinct is three-act structure. You ever see Game of Thrones?

Well, that's fantasy, right? Like that's got a different. I mean, adventure. That's fair. But think about all the other elements that come into fantasy. You've got like the spectacle of dragons, the spectacle of the family. Like, you know, all that dynamic. You're talking, you're talking specifically with this.

Yeah, I'm talking like the mummy I think would work better as a movie dinner show. Like the mummy I think. You're doing national treasure or see you later quick. Everyone's calling me today. Yeah, they're doing national treasure as a as a series. They're doing so, but I just think the, I understand that way of thinking. I know the audience goes, oh, big surprise. Trishon wants something as a TV show.

But, and I get it. He's got kids. No, no, no. It's not that. It said, I was never a TV person. I was always, I was always a movie person. Obviously, with Schmo's starting movies, like, it was Schmo's no movies. Streaming really changed the game.

And streaming has only been around, like, as these streaming wars for like three years. Like, maybe. Because Disney Plus launched in 2019. To this scale. Yeah, this level, I think. That's what I mean. Because Netflix is like eight or nine years, but it was competing with Netflix. But there was no.

it was going up against no one. And Netflix was creating the game. And then people started playing the game. But the reason why I like it is that you can really develop characters and you can develop like these strong. And when people say to me, when you look at a series that doesn't work where they're not happy with, like, do you still think Star Wars should be a TV show? Yes.

I just look at Andor. I still think that there's stuff that you can do if you do it right. You still have to have the right scripts. You still have to have the right directors and actors and everything too. just like you do in movies, but I think you can develop it over a course of time that you can't do in film. I would even, I would even say, Coy, I know that this is going to be more sci-fi, but you want to talk about, like, adventures and having to explore. I mean, that's literally what Star Trek is. So just instead of putting it in like a, you know, space futuristic type setting, you're now just putting it in, in this case, modern tomb rating, like as Laura Croft does. Well, look at Percy Jackson, right?

Percy Jackson and I get it books, but video games are very deep. It's all long form, yeah. Long form. But you wouldn't even imagine that a book like Harry Potter back. There's no chance they make it into a TV series back in 2000. But when you look at these books and what you can do because the one and I've read a lot of the Harry Potter books and I love the Harry Potter movies, but a lot of times, I remember going to see the movies and going, oh, they had to cut that detail out.

It makes sense. They had to cut it. a fire man the tri-wise tournament got gutted but they only have two and a half hours to tell the story right yeah and you have basically eight to 10 hours to tell it on tv and that's what percy jackson was i tell this story about my daughter who is a massive percy jackson book fan right and she watched the book they watched the movies and she when she was a little kid's like oh and then she starts getting older and reading internet stuff and everything just like i real real percy jackson fans don't like the movies dead they they they didn't they didn't express rick

whatever the hell the guy's name is Rick Gordarian's vision. And now he likes this one. And that's the adventure series you're talking about, Coy. This is an event that Percy Jackson, you know? And I think I need just for my own bias. I just need to see more examples so I can go. My instinct is always towards movies because I'm still in that space. But at the same time, I want X-Men as a series. So because I see X-Men as like classroom, long form, I want to see the school actually get its time to shine.

So I'm the same way you're talking about Harry Potter. I think X-Men should be series that lead to event movies. I think they should be X-Factor can be a show. X-Men can be a show. Generation X-Mex be a show. I'd love the movies to be events, but I think we need 10 hours of the X-Men a year, not too. I mean, it's part of the reason.

I mean, obviously they have a massive effect in the rest of Marvel, but it's part of the reason why Fox was able to tent-pull on really just the X-Men because that roster runs deep, you know? And if you look at that Fox universe, like, yes, it has many faults. but that's a really cool universe that they built out of one IP. And I think a show could be like that. You know what show would be great. And, Coy, I'm going to blow your mind here that actually have a comic book reference

that one that I remember very much so was the series that Wolverine did with Havoc, Meltown. Yes. That is a very niche bit of knowledge. Yes, that would be. Super niche. Whoa. In Meltdown when I was younger and I loved it. I loved the art.

The art was so different. And it was really gritty and violent. But imagine. We've used Havoc's energy in a really cool different way. Like it was really visceral and intense. Like Havoc got to be a badass because he's a summers. He should be. That's that.

I'd love to see that series because I hope they get, because to me the best, and I guess this is pretty cliche to say at this point, but I think the most true to form Wolverine that we saw, the two were X-Men 2 for sure, but Logan. And like that's the guy that I want to say. Like Logan, I know he's old man Logan at that point,

but I want to see that kind of grit for a series. That opening berserker rage when he's broken, but he's like ripping those dudes apart. That's what I always wanted out of those movies. Yes, absolutely. And days of future pass for a couple moments, too. There's some times where the loyalty and honor of him really got to shine. Like, I feel like Hugh Jackman only got better as time went on.

I want to go back and watch that movie. It's a really good movie. Yeah. Rewatch. So I want to bring this up because this is the boys season, in four at Susan Hayward and Valerie Curry and Cameron Cravedi, who plays Homeander's son, is up to a series regular. The fourth season of Prime Video, it makes sense if you see the last episode.

The fourth season of Prime Videos of Boys has made its first casting editions with Susan Hayward, Orange's New Black, and Valerie Curry from the following. Coming aboard is a pair of new superheroes or soups. The Boy's showrunner Eric Kripke has taken to Twitter and announced the cast additions. We don't know much about the character since neither appear in the conference. comic books, but Crippy says these new soups are going to be some of the best and craziest ever written for the boys. You're going to love them. And by love, I mean, absolutely horrified and a tiny bit nauseous. Uh, we're going to get ahead and we're going to go ahead

and assume these guys are the most like the other soups we encounter in the prime series. Just awful. So, um, yeah, it's great. I mean, look, that, that show is, to me is, that's one of my favorite shows on TV right now. So I'm glad they're doing season four. And season four will most likely come out the end of next year, I would assume. I mean, they're filming in a week. Okay. So they're filming really soon. I don't know how long they're going to be filming, but I know it's a decently long production.

I did a set visit once, and I think it was like a seven or eight months production. So I do the same thing they did last year. They'll probably start running it, you know, what the hell were we in? We're in August. So probably like June or July. Yeah, I'd imagine. Or maybe they'll do that like spring because of, we had a two-year gap. So maybe they'll try to like cut the difference.

You know what I mean? To catch up to where they had the original pace. But either way, I think it's interesting. We're getting that college show in between, right? we're getting the uh the there's a something v what are they called a generation v because it's a play in generation x plus the v uh bought so um generation v is a college like it's van wilder meets the boys and it's based off the comics there's a lot of offshoots in the comic books where there's like teen and college heroes so i think it's interesting this casting is bringing in a younger

generation to the main show and i'm wondering how that's going to correlate with a generation v show interesting um all right see uh I think I want to talk to you guys before we leave here too, is that obviously we have a show here for Star Wars, but I don't really talk to Koi and Winston about Star Wars often. So I wanted to talk to you guys about Lawrence Kasden, who, they have that ILM series that's on Disney Plus right now, and he directed it and they were interviewing him. And this is an interview that they had, the Empire Strikes Back, right, again, for comic book movie.com. The Empire Strikes Back writer Lawrence Kasden has said he would be open to penning a sequel to Solo.

a Star Wars story. Right now, John Hoey is jumping up and down on the moon. But the Lucas film icon has this very specific condition. And Lawrence Kazin, his name might not be as instantly familiar as George Lucas, but make no mistake about it, his contributions to the Star Wars universe were massive. He wrote the screenplays for Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, and he was even enlisted for the Force for the Force Awakens. It's hardly a surprise that he was tasked with penning solo of Star Wars stories, but with a change in directors and a multitude of issues behind the scenes that movie had the odds stacked against it from early on. Reviews were tepid while the 393 million global box office was considered a disappointment

after the budget balloon to as much as 300 million. Despite that, fans remain keen to see more. Fans remain keen. I said there's a sect of fans that want to see it. Well, I think there's, I wouldn't say fans. I'd say, I'd say, let me rewrite this for them. Despite that, there are some fans that remain keen to see more of, Alden, Han Solo,

especially after the movie ended on a massive cliffhanger involving Darth Mall. During a recent interview, Lawrence was asked if he'd be opening to continue Han Solo on Disney Plus, which Kazan said, no, there's not any talk of that. I've never been particularly drawn to

expanding solo into a show, but I do talk to John Kastin and Ron about what went down and what went wrong with the solo experience. I would be more interested in doing another movie, not a TV show. We're guessing that means Kazen won't be part of the Lando series that appears to have fallen by the wayside um anyway so let's talk about all that um i do not like i really like i love like to me so lacey gillarin and uh and john

hoey and james and all those guys over at star wars news ned and uh and brian the great brian ward they are leading the charge for make solo to happen uh i will not be seeing that movie if it comes out in the there uh and i i applaud them and i love that they're doing it that they're so passionate about it i think i like i said i think it's just they're a little it's like a little rebellion you know um and if they love it i don't hate the movie it's fine but i don't need to see a second i would much rather see a crimson dawn series but what do you guys think i talk about this enough on sith i'd love to get your thoughts on it uh winston what do you think i think the way to go honestly and it's sad that the creator said or the the the writer says he doesn't

want any part of it is to do exactly what you did just did with andor like rogue one was phenomenal I don't need a Rogue One sequel or prequel movie. I would much rather you give me something where I can dive into Cassie and Andor and learn more about him. And I've, this might be the most excited I've been for Star Wars. It's really good.

It looks sad. Mainly because I love, like, should the Jedi of the Force is like my favorite element of Star Wars as is a lot of people. But what made Game of Thrones so good is while you have a lot of that action, it really came down to the crazy politics to get to the Iron Throne. And Andor feels like a political thriller that's going to throw in some like action for me every now and again.

And I'm actually really here for that. Well, that's what we're talking about, dude, with TV. You have more time to do that. They're going to do potentially three seasons of 12 episodes to do this. 36 episodes of Star Wars, inside the Star Wars universe to really build on it because in a movie, you're forced to, and rightfully so, you're forced to make, well, we need a big space battle. they're going to get bored. And it's, yeah.

I think what I love about Rogue One and what I love about how the show looks is it's the wars in Star Wars. We've seen a lot of Star. I want more wars. So I'm very excited for that. And I think that it'd be great to see personally. I'm as biased as it comes towards solo because I love Lord and Miller and I went to acting class with Alden. So like I want to see like Alden do well. And I hate the fact that like I don't think that was his fault.

And I can't imagine what it's like to be in like he's got a great career. but then he had to take some time because like you're the face of that so no matter how people perceive it he's the face of that movie not doing that he threw him under the bust that wasn't that wasn't a help yeah so like it's it's everyone kind of looks at him as this thing that went wrong and that's not the case he's a very talented actor so i want redemption for alden more than i want redemption for solo too but he's going to be an iron heart so i've got hope that he'll get like you know back on people's good grace i like to see him well but i don't think he got i don't think there's a lot of people that think he did a bad job because i'm i'm i certainly don't think i don't and i think this is more so of a directing thing and anything else too i don't i i i actually think the guy's a phenomenal actor i think he's a great um i just never bought him as as hans solo i just i thought to me i thought he was a i thought whatever character he was playing he played it really well and i love to see that character as like uh you know like a new john bollo but just a different character like it just a different gig his his and there are people who make the argument and I would, I would

debate with somebody for like three hours on this where they're like, well, but he wasn't really, he didn't turn into the Han Solo we knew until because he had to discover himself. I'm like, you're always, like, you go back and you see four-year-old, Coy, Jan Drew. I've been like this. Still the same

high-end kid and he's got, yes, there's different things he learned about himself across along the way, but he's still the same dude. You didn't turn in magically to a new person. Christian, to further stamp your point. I do agree that this dude is a good actor, but

Donald Glover, in my opinion, did such a better job of playing a young Lando because what it felt like, it was there. All of a sudden Billy D. Williams just felt like a more mature version. As in like he just got older. But Lando was

at his core. It genuinely felt like this was a different character completely. Yes, Lando was a younger version of who we saw Billy as in what, 100% what you just said, Winston, just wasn't, and not that Lando that we met was super mature, but he

was more mature and he was more established and he understood how to play the game and he had been swindled before and he had done these things. So, you saw that in the transformation of it. Like, there were just things that this version of Han Solo was doing and there was no swagger to him.

There was no swagger. And it's like, oh, you just developed a swagger one day, uh-uh. You have the swagger or you don't have. You don't just fine swagger you have it or you don't I would have liked to see him as an original character in the rebel alliance or something like that would have been fun and that that worked to the story you could have called that movie anything else and and and changed it up and just you know obviously without the falcon and other things and move things around made it made it some kind of ship and put it in a different time and you could have made that movie a very different movie and not

put that pressure on him to follow up Harrison but anyway I would much rather and if he showed up as Han Solo in the Crimson Dawn series, sure. Crimson Dawn to me is way more fascinating. What Winston just said about, about Andor, like the actually, because that's what I thought they were going to do with BobaFet and they didn't, but really dive into the underworld and what the crime and the, like, really is

and watching this, like the betrayal and the backstabbing and the mob bosses and all that, like inside of Crimson Dawn. That would be fascinating to me and really go a little darker, for sure. I just need a Skywalker free zone. I just need I love the galaxy far far away. I just want to expand out. So I'd love to see some new. Accolite, man. I want to get to the accolite, man. I want to get to the accolite. But anyway, that was the first episode of Sith Council. No. Oh. Sorry, Mike and Steph. I actually really like the fact that we can talk about that too. This is this is capes and cows for

everybody who's going to be watching this show and tuning into this show. This show will be more of a kind of geeky pop culture thing as you know we covered prey we covered the boys we covered uh star wars we cover marvel we'll cover i mean because old dc i guess we too the other thing the last thing i want to cover before we say goodbye um we didn't really talk about this guys and that was ben afflick in aquaman too now here here's my i think it's i think it's i don't care i'm getting it's exhausted for people who see this night reverse exists and this it does great that i i'm i'm I hope that it does. I like what I think that they can do is that they can put together the,

what DC has been doing really well. And that is there's these movies, whether it Shazam, Aquaman, any of these movies that connect. And then there's side adventures and things that work too. Great. Continue to do that. That's,

I'm more concerned. Why didn't they announce this at Comic-Con? They would have had something. They would have had something. They should have, instead of three days later on an Instagram post from their star, post the damn thing. Hall H.

Do it at Hall H. If I had to guess, Christian, I think part of it might have been, like you said, they've been in a little bit of disarray right now. And I think it might have been a situation where they were like, all right, if we can just, you know, get this, we need something. We clearly lost Comic-Con. Then they were like, Jason, do you mind just throwing that out there?

And I think you just needed to build something up because they thought Black Adam and Shazam would be enough. And it clearly wasn't because people have so many questions about what's going on with the Flash and what the future is. Yeah, and Apple report comes out, which is not their fault. And to be in the room, to be honest, when they showed Flash in the Shazam trailer in the room, that was that like, like, that was a collective, like, you know what they, and I said this many times over, but I just don't think I've said it on this show yet,

is that what Warner Brothers should have done, because Dwayne Johnson really wanted to go to Hall-H, he's a massive showman. He likes to, he wants to be there. He wants to be among the fans. as he should have been. Shazam. They wanted to present Shazam and give more

them to look at. On the bill for Comic-Con, it said Warner Brothers presents or theatrical presents, and then inside it was like, with presentations from Shazam and Black Adam, whatever, but that was in the description.

The name of the panel should have been Black Adam and Shazam. That's it. Because expectations. That's it. You're going to still expect maybe Henry Cavill showing up too, but that's on you.

If deadlines reporting them, that's on you. Especially since, they're in a family. Shazam and Black Adam correlate. It would have worked narratively, and that should have been a conversation. I do have a question, because I know we're getting out of here, though. You know, they announced

that the flash show is ending after season 9, only 13 episodes on the CW. Because of the flash of this going on, Koi or Christian, do you think that there's any sort of, there's like a rumor that they're doing this, that so Grant will take over for Ezra? I'll let Koi answer that

one. I'm not sure. I don't know what the hell they're going to do. I don't know. I know that my first instinct was, oh, they don't want Ben Affleck's last movie to be in Flash. Like, that was my first instinct. It was when they, like, my first thought when I saw Jason Moe announced Ben Affleck, I'm like, oh, damage control is him not being his last appearance because you wouldn't want Ben Afflex. Because Ben Afflex's an incredible Batman. Hold on.

Isn't it still because Flash is next year and Aquaman's at the end of this year? No, no one's next year. Oh, I got pushed. That's right. I got pushed. So Ben Affleck's last appearance as of now is now not Flash. So my thought is Flash is going to be retooled somewhat.

And I'm not saying Ben Affleck's not in it. I'm saying like it would be very, very clean and I'd be very happy for Grant if he wants to make a lot of money keeping playing Flash. Michael Keaton, how do you feel about you know, Grant now being the Flash and as well, that's a guy we're doing.

Who? He doesn't need nuts. He doesn't you know anymore. He's never finished a Marvel or DC movie he said. I love that. Wow. Yeah, he said he goes, I got other things to do.

He does other things to do. He's just living his life, man. Just living his life. All right. Everybody, so listen, this was, again, first unofficial episode of Caps and Cals. We're going to be doing in studio once. We're able to next week we should be in studio for sure, hopefully. And then we're going to be full on running.

We're going to start taking questions for you guys. I have more announcements eventually what we're going to be able to do. We're very excited about this show. So for Coy and Winston and myself, we'll see you guys. Leave your comments about what you guys want us to, what you'd like to see in this show. And let's keep talking. It's Caps and Cals, Winston, Coy, and me.

Peace.