The Kristian Harloff Show - FIRST REACTIONS AND REVIEWS FOR THE MARVELS ARE OUT!

Episode Date: November 9, 2023

STAND UP COMEDY! https://www.flapperscomedy.com/shows/kristian-harloff/72183/ 🚀 The moment we've all been waiting for is finally here! The first reactions and reviews for The Marvels are out, and we're here to discuss them all! Join Kristian Harloff and Mike Kalinowski as we dive into the latest news surrounding Brie Larson's Captain Marvel 2, the MCU, and Ms. Marvel. 🌟 🎬 In this video, we'll cover The Marvels reactions and reviews as well as the latest news on the box office performance, and Kevin Feige's next move. Don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more movie reviews, trailer reactions, and breaking entertainment news! 🔥 We also discuss Echo and how the tone could be a big shift for Marvel in general. We talk about the SAG strike, when it might end and we react to the new Ghostbusters trailer. #marvels #themarvels #reaction #movies #ghostbusters #sag 

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gentlemen. It is Wednesday. It is the big thing. The marvels. The reactions are in. The Rotten Tomato score is in. The online comments seem like it was going to go one way, but it landed a different way. So we'll talk about that and see if I think it's justified.

I did my non-spoiler review and out of the theater reaction last night as well. Ghostbusters. There's a new trailer. Haven't watched it yet, but Mike and I are going to do an in, an in studio on the show reaction to the trailer. So we'll talk about that. Kevin Feige talked about a lot of different things, things that were rumored about the Avengers.

He talked about Star Wars. He talked about a few other things. But we'll get into his comments for sure. Sack is, I feel like this is every week that we have this conversation. I'm going to have the same conversation with Mike again. Is today the day that we get the information that it's going to be over? The strike is done? or are we going into 2024?

There's a couple more stories that we'll definitely get into. Those are the bigger ones to cover today. I would tell you this. I'd say, hey, guys, hit that button so we can get to 100. We did it, guys. We made it to 100,000. Thank you guys so much for getting us there. We're at 100.

So I've got to change that one to two. That's the next goal. We're trying to get to 200,000. So if you're brand new to the channel, you never been here before, hit that button and get us there. And some other things, we're going to be, at Burbank, Flatburst Comedy Club, December 2nd, it's a Saturday. I hope that you can join us.

It's going to be a lot of fun. The tickets are in the description. So make sure you can come by and check us out. We're going to have some fun, stand-up comedy. Okay. So for myself and Mike Kalanowski, let's get into it. It's the big thing. Let's do it.

What's up, everybody? Welcome back. It is the big thing. And my guest today, I should say my co-host. I'm my guest. My co-hosts, I'm long enough. My co-host today, usually every Wednesday. You might see him on December 2nd, doing a five-second, five-minute stand-up comedy set.

If we get to 600 patrons, you've got to go to patreon.com slash the Big Thing Show. Get us there by December 2nd. And you'll see this man doing stand-up for the first time. He is the next George Carlin, Mike Kellanowski. The second? I don't think we agree to the second. I don't know. I wouldn't be in town for that.

You said you would. No, I didn't. That's why I'm not on the poster. You said, no, that's not why you're not on the poster. Yes, it is. You're on the poster because we don't have patrons yet. Shut your mouth. I like that George Carlin.

He's the best, my favorite of all time. Is he? Yeah. Yeah. He's my favorite of all time. So yeah, you and I were talking about it before we even... What are we talking about? You saw last night that the reactions came in.

I love to go online and see the reactions coming out of these things. You know what's going to happen. I know exactly what's coming on an MCU movie. I got to call you a bit. I want you to make your point. but I'm going to call you a hypocrite afterwards. Please do. Okay, because I can predict you.

I know your reactionary for Aquaman. You haven't even seen it yet. I know exactly what you're going to say. Okay, and I'll have points for that because I didn't have that reaction for Black Adam, Shazam 2, or Blue Beetle. I didn't like them. So people won't listen. It's not just DC. People won't like that for Aquaman.

I think you have a hard on. People won't like that for Aquaman. They like, if I say anything bad about the Marvels, when I see it, people like, but you like the Flash. So your opinion sucks. Yeah. But I didn't like three of the other DC movies. So stupid rhetoric. I can't stand that.

Well, you like this. Because someone said it to me out of the theater. But they don't even accurately say the right thing. No. This one guy goes, well, coming from the guy that loves quantum mania, I'm like, no. What I said was I enjoyed quantumania. I liked watching the majority of the end is a sloppy mess. But I like the science fiction element.

What I said in my out of the theater reaction was a lot of people not got like this movie. Yeah. There's a lot of people. But they don't want to hear that. They don't want to hear that. They want to hear what they want to hear. So, yeah. So I've come to the point now.

I was going to tweet this out last night, but I'll say it here. I'm not going to tweet it because it's going to do a shit storm. AI art. AI art. You know, donkey it out. Yeah. AI art, you can tell the minute you see it. Yeah.

Acting AI, you're like, that's an AI thing. MCU reviews are now becoming AI. It spits it out. It is like the plot's messy. The script's messy. The bad guy's forgettable. X actor steals the show. Post credits.

OMG. Best ever. Stay for it. Without a doubt, someone's review. where reaction will have those three or four things in there in that order. Sure. Every damn time. Every time.

I would love people to go, holy shit, that villain sucks, but I enjoyed Kamala Khan. That's what I said. I would love to see that honesty. That's what I just said. But it's not. Because everyone wants their quote tweet. They want to be the one that gets put up on the review so they can take a picture next to it. Like, ah, my name and I said this about it.

I did say. I'm so glad I'm not in that thing. What I will say is I saw a lot of people like, because the thing, what I I've said this many times. And I don't think it's fair where it comes to, it's hard for people. People get scared to be honest about these things. And not because the dumb rhetoric is because they're not going to get their gifts

and they're not going to get their screenings. It's not why. What it is is that you look at something like this movie. This movie is, and I said it from the beginning, the chemistry, and I said it looked like in the trailer and it delivered in the movie. The chemistry between the three actresses is phenomenal. And it's a bummer that they weren't able to promote it because of the show, right? It's a bummer.

On the rug carpet, those three together probably would have been gold. On the talk show circuit, like, you know, viral moments to really showcase all three of them. I mean, they really, all three of them shine. Kamala Khan is fantastic. She carries over everything that she did in the story. They just, they should have been in a better movie, a better written movie, right? And it's a great thing that they were able to also, like the fact that they got, they got a black director to do it, a black female director to do it. and to work with three women in this lead,

of course it's an amazing thing, but what happens is if it's not a good movie and you say it, people go, oh, well, why do you not like this one? I saw that in my head of the direction, and my answer is because it's not a good movie. Yeah. It has, like, I rooted, I love Ms. Marvel.

I didn't mind the first Captain Marvel. I thought Rambo was fantastic in Wanda Vision, right? And I thought the storyline between Carol and, and Monica in this should have been explored more. It was just kind of like fell apart. And then they threw it's the writing.

The villain was forgettable. It wasn't the actress's fault as much. Had nothing to do. And so when you, you should be able to look at the movie, but there's a difference between being, critiquing it and saying,

these are the things that are wrong and this is a mess. And I watched Dan's, Dan's Merle's review was fantastic. And he said this thing is a mess. Dan's the farthest thing you're ever going to see from a misogynist or a racist. He's probably one of the best humans I've ever met my entire existence.

He's a salty of the earth kind of guy. He really is. And I admired his honesty. Greg Alba is another one who. Those two guys. So when I saw there, the real rejects, I looked at theirs. I've learned to go to certain people in our circle because we talk a lot. And when I see the review and then I'll talk to that person in private.

And they'll say, oh, this movie is terrible. I was like, but you're reviewed it. Say that. Why? Why are you not? being honest. Like what? I think that to me is realized for me why I've stepped back from the discourse of, I don't

even talk about DC films online after I see them because it's, it will, well, because it's just awful. It is what I said recently, and I think this is unfortunately the case, is that it, and it proves it to be, especially after when I did this out of the theater last night, the fandom, movie fandom has unfortunately become hand in hand, toe and toe with politics. It's the same kind of discourse, unfortunately. And people always write it, so I always say it first. People go, well, movies have always been political.

Absolutely, they have been. But the discourse around it hasn't always been like this. It hasn't always been like, if you're on that team, well, then you can't be on ours. And I saw that a bunch of times. Like, even in my review, I had said, like, when I, not the, not the out of the theater action, but the actual review, I said, look, I'm not going to shit on people that love this movie. If you love this movie, you love this movie. You don't have to go after people because they love it. And you don't have to call people racist or misogynist if they didn't unless that's warranted.

Now, if somebody is now on the is on the video saying, well, see, they shouldn't have had a black woman direct this. And we know where those come from. But that's what I mean. If someone is warranting this kind of bigotry and those types of things through comments they're making, then yeah, you should, you should challenge that. But like when someone who just goes, I didn't like it because this, this, this, this and this. And you go, well, why didn't you like it? Stop doing the gotcha shit. It's not worth it.

Let me ask you this. How do you deal with or handle this? Because I guess This is what bugs me in that discourse between this and that. If you, like you'd, okay, I don't want to talk about the moment, but you said there's a moment in this film where you like, it makes, you know, an other movie look like Goodfellas. How do you, like, I have a problem with them like, you like this movie,

but you didn't like that movie? Like, I have a, that to me is I can't find the. What do you mean? I'm trying to think of an example. You're not doing it well, though. I know, I'm not. I'm trying to think. of like, like if someone

loved quantum mania, sure, but didn't like the flash. I'm like, and take out the Ezra Miller of it, take out the DC ending of it, you know, being done, if just on a movie versus on a movie, if you like one versus like, like, how do you justify that? In my head, I'm just like, yeah, but that's awful, but that's, I can

see what, if you thought they both are awful, great. Yeah, but that's too, I know. It's like, it's also life situations because we, you and I watch movies differently, right? Because of things that have happened in our lives and the way that we have, the way, a particular a moment might resonate with you, it doesn't resonate with me, or joke might land with you, it doesn't land

with me, or vice versa. Because of things that we went through in different ways, it both lands with us, but in different ways. So it's hard to say because like, I said this about the flash the other day. I stand by that movie. I like that movie, but I will not argue with anybody when they say, I watched

the beginning of that movie. Like the stuff with the barista, that barista should be. That brista is the worst. I wish they would have started with him getting the call from an and he has to run over there. Like that whole sequence. That's it.

The jokey breezed and stuff. And then the problem with the baby CJA. I get all. I get all that. I just was the emotional story that really worked for me. And what I've said to people inside of that movie that have seen it, I go, you don't, you didn't like the stuff that with his mom and all. And they all say, yeah, I did.

But it took too long to get there. And he can't argue with that. If you don't like that movie, I get, I get it. Yeah, because the ending's pretty bad too. The ending looks like a really bad video game. And so, but I, but I enjoyed why. watching it. But I don't, I don't. It's come to this idea that because of you liked something in one, if you liked that movie and you said that movie is not good, well, then your, your,

your point's not valid. It's like, no, maybe to you and that's fine because our taste don't line up. Yeah. That's fine. Then you should watch somebody else or you should go in, because I saw somebody. There was somebody that I actually have worked with or collaborated with in this space. And they, very, very professionally and respectfully wrote inside the comment and said, I'm not with you on this one. I saw this movie. I had a lot of fun with it. I thought it was a blast.

I thought it was, and gave reasons to Wyatt. To that, I go, fantastic. I mean, that's what movies should be. Yeah.

Is that I'm not on the same board. There are people that would physically fight one another over the fact that they thought this movie was like, it was like, again, sports fans. Like, if you're at a Raiders game. Yeah. Or something. And a fight. breaks out in the middle of the

why it's movies what are you doing I don't know I don't I can't believe it like I saw like some there was a lot of times like there was tons like I was so funny because we the out of the theater reaction did fairly well and I knew it though that there was tons like there's like just a full I have this thing where you just delete all the spam that comes in

and we have words and it's what I love I love when people write like these full like vitriol hateful comments that are like three paragraphs and you just delete it? I don't even read it and just gets deleted and they've just spent all that time and no one saw it no one saw it they spent so much time just doing this it goes right to spam and they think that they're why doesn't go to spam right away because of keywords like if there's if there's hateful words or hateful things in there

or anything in there that like if there's insulting or that it goes right to spam and then I just do a big block boop I never read it I never even read it and people who think that I got them this time no one saw what you wrote and you just spent all this time for nothing as opposed to yeah someone who's going, hey, look, I don't agree with anything you just said, because I'll tell you why. Jack, I'll tell you why. Here, Jack. I love that stuff. I just, it's like the, it's, I always, I always equate it.

I said it's a million times over. It's like, this is our store. Yeah. And if you come into our store and, you know, you like certain things about the story, you want to talk about the story, the certain needs you don't think you want to put something in the suggestion box, you're okay. You come out into our store with your dick hanging out. I'm going to throw you out of the store.

well I'm allowed to have my dick out Not in my store It's like the same thing when they do When they talk about No shoes, no shirt No dick's out Yeah I have to say that now like Michael Kane

You're coming to the store You got your no shirt on And you got your no shoes on And my dick out sir But if you got your dick out I'll go say what You got your Billy out there I'm sorry

Because I saw your penis out I figured that I could do it I'm not allowed to do that sir No sure But it's like But it's that free speech argument When people go they go well there goes free speech you can say whatever you want you're just not going to say it in my store yeah you see go to do it on Twitter I don't care you just blow it out your ass you can't blow it out your ass so it and it and I knew that all this would come but it goes back to your early question as far as why can't you just give an honest review right and I think that the answer I understand where people they get nervous there are a couple different reasons right if they feel that if they don't if they go all the way in they'll get labeled again racist the

misogynist. Oh, I see what you're going to the other side. That they're not, they're not supporting the cause, so they try to like tiptoe around it, right? I mean, look, I see, I see why certain people maybe try to go down that route. I can't do that, but I see it in the other side of it is, you know, if you are, if you

really love it and you really, and you're like, oh, I think I'm not going to like this movie, and you go and you loved it. You know, oh, this is really, it was better than I thought. You fuck, chill, chill, shill, it's such a, it's such a sheep term now. Yeah. It is such a sheep term. Like, they have, People don't know what to do.

So they go, like, I saw that a couple times. We were like, oh, he's coming for this guy. The shill of the thing. Boop. Gonsky. And it's like, it's like, it's, because that stuff, it's like M&M at this point. It's like, you know, in an eight mile? Have you seen eight mile?

No. It's been a very long time. So it just, he knew everything that the guy was going to say about him at the end. And in his freestyle. It's like, okay, come on. I got you. All the trolls. Get it.

I'm a shell, the Galaxy's Edge stuff. You know, uh, yada yada yada come on hit me hit me what do you got it's like it's it's got to come up with something new teflon down maybe but it's just like it's it doesn't it doesn't work if you're doing if you're doing it like if what's your point like have a point i would much rather someone's gonna have an impact with me yeah if they're going like i said like the guy that had the impact was the professional critic who wrote i don't agree with you and i'll tell you why i were marbles yeah i remembered it i remembered it because it was just professional conversations like

you meet all those points i was like good points i don't agree with them but But I appreciate you doing that. Like that is more impact than the other stuff because it's just like, you're gone. I never see you ever again. Yeah. Yeah. So same thing what people do when they do like Twitter. I will say, I used to do the block years ago.

I don't even, I knew he was going to get rid of it at one point. You mute. It's so easy. Just mute them. And then they think they're yelling at you and they don't even realize you. They're just yelling at themselves. And it's like it's kind of just given up on Twitter. I don't really ever.

I like it. I don't even really look at it. I don't go into the movie discourse. Yeah. It's not. It's just not. It's just not. Mental health-wise, it's not worth it.

And I think that some of the stuff people will say here, too, they go, hey, you know, I wish that you would not address like troll stuff and too. And we don't really do that as much, too. What we do is we want to talk about more so as I'm focusing on this conversation. To me, the focus to me is on those people who want to have a conversation. Because this movie hasn't even come out yet. This movie comes out, well, essentially comes out tomorrow night, right? I think that's what I'm seeing.

Yeah, Thursday night. So it'll come out there's a day. That's when we're going to do our spoiler review. We're going to do all that. That's when I want to see what the conversation is because that leads us into. Let's get into the actual story, which is the Rotten Tomato Score. All right. This comes from comicbookmovie.com.

The Marvels, the Rotten Tomato Score, has been revealed with the first wave of reviews not counted. A Rotten Tomato score for the Marvels has been generated. And to find out what it is, keep reading. And here's Mike's buddy, Josh Wilding. We've brought you the social media reactions and selection of reviews from the critics. We'll be chiming in with our verdict soon, but now it's time to reveal the Marvel's all-important rotten tomato score. As we write this, Captain Marvel, Wanda Vision, and Ms. Marvel follow-up has a rotten, 54% on tomatoes based on 69 reviews. And again, by the time this air, it probably more.

Could it be higher score or lower score? Not a great start for the movie, as it appears Marvel Studios, has its third rotten title, considering there's been 30, more than 30 of them, that's hardly the end of the world. 30 movies, that is, and only three run. Still, it comes at a bad time for the studio, especially with so much talk of the superhero fatigue and claims that the MCU is on a decline. The score is bound to change considerably in the days ahead, though we currently can't say if it's going to go up or down.

Hundreds of critics have yet to share their verdicts. It's still in the early days. For the time being, the Marvel's ranks above Ant Man in the Wasponamania, which has 46, and the Eternals, which is 47, but it's beneath Love and Thunder at 63. 63 is too high for them. How that movie. Fans are typically quick to say that a Rotten Tomato score doesn't matter when it's for a movie they like, while rooting for a Blockbuster Fail are fast to tout them like a trophy.

Will that really matter in what regular moviegoers will figure out, yada, yada, yada. So I want to keep up here, and I want to look at some of these social media reactions that comic book movie highlighted. Okay. And here's what some of them... Look at that first one in the headline there. Where is it? Go, scroll to the black up in the top there.

The headline. That's scrolling up? I am trying out. There you go. There you go. This one? Yeah, look at that one. There we go.

Oh, okay. Exactly what a comic movie should do. So they said the Marvels hailed as exactly what a comic movie should be in the first social media reaction. Let's see what some of these, the ones that they pulled out. Eric Davis from Fandango, buddy of mine, need a couple of mine, need a comment. cost of the Marvel's is a great time at the movies well-paced. Now, here we go. Just wait. Just wait. Hold on.

It's well-paced and full frantic, hilarious energy. I liked it more than 2019's Captain Marvel. The thing moves, location swap is a blast and the end credits is and I'm definitely a fan. Okay, I love Eric. I disagree with him. You know this guy. And

he's one of the ones that every time an MCU film comes up, I know what's going to say. Yeah. I know what's going to say. I can, I don't have the time to go back and look through 10 years of MCU first reactions, but I'm sure someone online will do it and post his stuff. His stuff. So you see that, like, how do you talk to him knowing your friend of yours and go, dude, what were you

thinking? Because do we see the same movie? But I wouldn't say it like, but you're the other guy. But I wouldn't say it. What would you say to him was like, I was like, I think we're, what I would say to Eric is I think we're on different pages. I was like, different. Because you're being respectful. But he's a friend of mine. Right, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, but it was my friend. But to me

that's the point. There should be no difference to whether it's my friend or a stranger's opinion because that's the problem. is that the stranger's opinion, people don't know, and they see it, and if they don't agree with it, they attack him. And if he was your friend, you wouldn't do that. In the same way, that I wouldn't do it to Eric, I shouldn't do it to Eric if I didn't know him. It's the problem with society. I'm the exact opposite of you.

You'll go right after. If you're my friend, my good friend, we're going to go outside the theater. But if you're a stranger online, I go, let's have some discourse. Let's talk rationally. We don't know each other. Right. Let's talk. But you'll bust balls.

In person? No, to your friends. You busts balls. Yeah, I'll bust her nuts off. I'll take this hammer. Oh, my God. Bust. Say that again.

Say what you just said again. You're on this close-up. What's up? Say what you just said again. Give me your bust balls. You'll bust balls. I'll bust their nuts off with this hammer. You'll goddamn right.

I will. Right out of the theater. I'll be in the middle of the grove with Mike Vogel and Shannon McClung, the geek buddies. And I'll bust their nuts off. You damn right, I will. And they'll do the same. to me. They'll do the same to me. I do not think that means what you think it means.

That's why we're a freaking great friends. That's why we're great friends. Right, but you break chops. And that's the, that's the break chops. Break chops? That's a new one. We break chops. We break chops. Bus chops. Something stinks in Denver. I'll tell you that. Something stinks in. Let's get. I want to read

some more of these. Please do. Let's see. That's what I do. I would tell, I would say that. I'd love to have that conversation with Eric. I would love to be there to watch it since you do know it. Herb Scribner. He says the early the Marvel's review. Yes, so much, yes. This film is so much fun and exactly what a comic book movie should be. It's funny. It's silly. It's short. It's sweet. It's action-pack. Love the cosmic sci-fi moments. Plenty of MCU interconnectivity without being overbearing. Okay, yeah, I disagree with her.

Next one. Clayton Davis. I know Clayton. The Marvel's work for me. Female Avengers team-up, movie packs and chuckles, cats, hairballs, musical sequence, much more episodic than a cinematic endeavor, but I think it's its greatest strength. Great post credits. Love to my lady. lady leading trio, which I agree with. Great visual effects. And then, let's see, Grace Randolph. The Marvel's is short and sweet, plenty of laughs and action. I went and hoping it wouldn't be too bad.

Ended up with a smile on my face. So look, a lot of people like the movie. That's what I'm saying. Attractions magazine. We saw the Marvel, one of the most surprising movies of the year. So they liked it. Kristen Maldonado. Most fun I've had watching a superhero movie in a while.

Charles P.M., please, but not exactly your surprise to report that it's solid and a big step up. Julian Siegel. I guess really liked it. I don't see a lot of... That's what I'm saying. So I read that was essentially, well, this movie's going to be a hit. Yeah, but you know what's so crazy about that is that comic book movie, a few other people that have taken all these reactions. Yeah.

I didn't see a lot of negatives ones, right? No, I don't see any negative. Yet 54%. That's what I'm saying. Why weren't they pulling those? because they don't want to put that narrative out there. But what does comic book movie have to? They're not going to, their narrative is,

they don't have a narrative again to try to build this. Certain authors on that site 100% do. But they just reported on its 54 percentage. But it's also in the wording of that 54%. If it was a another, it would be disastrous 54% to kick off opening weekend, as opposed to, well, this isn't that good, but time will tell.

It's all, it's media. It's journalism. It's all in the wording. It's 100% in the wording. Andrew Salazar, they have said that despite everyone on screen trying their best, the Marvel feels like it's lost this battle in the editing room. I went into the Marvel's low expectations. It wasn't half bad.

That's from Nate Richard. Eric Goldman says... I like Eric Goldman. You do or don't? I do. Yeah, every time his stuff pops up, it's one person that's... I've always found to kind of be balanced. Yeah.

So, I don't know. I don't know. But again, All these things, so the reaction seem great. Seemed great. Good. Let this movie be a success. That's the other thing.

If you're a movie fan, like, if, like, so this is the- You don't want movies to buy. No, see this is the thing. No one does. I'll say this. I don't understand. So I saw this movie. I don't like this movie.

I think it's one of the worst Marvel movies so far. But what you will not see me doing. Yeah. If it turns out that this movie makes 150, you won't. But if it makes $150, $200 million opening weekend, I'm not going to go, what the hell's wrong with you people? How do you do this movie? I'm going to say, good for the movie.

Yeah. All right, let me ask you this. Sure. So Kevin Marvel made a billion dollars. Yeah, 1.1. And I saw this, some discourse happening about this. And I say there's, in no world does this movie hit that close? And this is before the reviews, the critics, anything that came out.

I was like, there's no way it hits this. Your thoughts now having seen it. Does it hit a billion? Before seeing it, I would have told you no way. Okay. And now I saw these people's like, I can't stand this. Because I will say the reason Marvel's hit a billion dollars. was Infinity War.

Infinity War was right after that. But before it. Before, end game. It was before, it was in between Infinity War and game. Right. And it was the last one of these buildup saga. Everyone in their mother was seeing this movie.

But people said, no. You don't hit a billion dollars with bad word of mouth, this and that, and as like, Anabod and Ryan Fleck. What have they done since that? And I looked up their, they haven't directed a single project and they don't have one in development. Yeah, it was like the Garrett Thur's... If they were, in this film was a billion dollar success in the terms of

billion-dollar movie like a dark guy. Did we be knocking down their door? And we'd be knocking, like. Yeah. And they would have come back for the sequel. To say that the movie made a billion dollars, and it's not only because it was a massive, major. And I hate to tell you this, buddy, it's also one of the reasons that your Aquaman did

is did a billion dollars also. I'll, and again, it was in a superhero. I love Aquaman. Right. Post Wonder Woman. Yeah. I love Aquaman. I cannot to this day tell you how in a million years.

You made a billion dollars. I mean, that and the Joker. I can't tell you how either. those made a billion dollars. And I know I might say that Joker's sequel might hit a billion. Maybe. The joke, Akamand, not in a million years. No. Not in a million years. Yeah, it's different, different tones.

Joker. People like, you let Lady Gaga in there for the same thing. You said something about Echo off air that I want to bring up. We'll talk about that. Yeah, we will. But it relates to that point as well. Yeah. I think that people are over the really goofy stuff. I think people are over it. I think that I think it wanted to be there for a while. People like, Superiors just be fun. I think there's a reason why the patents and Batman did pretty good.

I think there's a reason why we're almost in like the 70s right before Star Wars. We're in that period, you know, like the Chinatown era. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Movies that we're hitting. I think that's where we are right now. I think people want a little bit more darker stuff to. And I know people go, no, no, no, no, because that's the way the world is anyway. Yeah, I understand what you're saying.

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Let's move over. Actually, you know what? Let's talk about this. Echo came out last week, the trailer rather. And nobody was anticipating this show. Everybody thought this was just, it was almost like what Andor was, you know, like where even less. Less. Yeah.

Because remember when they announced Andor was like, who cares about it? I don't think there was any, you were even like, like, like, not a bad wave. Just like, I don't care about Andor. It's one of my favorite shows. It just seemed like everything was negative about Echo. And I thought she was a standout of Hawkeye. One of the reasons I really liked that show. But enough to get her own show.

No, no. Not at all. That's what I mean. So like, so when that, an end. When it was announced before we'd even seen her yet. The reason why I was so turned off by it, the fact that they were going to do a show is I didn't mind Hawkeye. I thought it was fine. It was a Christmas show was fine.

But I thought what they did to Kingpin was a disaster. I thought from the comparison. You said that. From the comparison of what they did from him in the Netflix show over to what they did in Hawkeye, I was like, ugh. And some people agree with me. Others don't agree at all. But that's way I felt. So when this series was announced, I'm like, I don't want to see Kingpin like that again. And then the trailer hits. And I'm like, this is like Netflix. I mean, this is like the Netflix show. That's the Kingpin that I wished would have showed up in Hawkeye. Holy shit.

And I was like, who's in that, but it seems like the majority of people were really on board with the tone. Now, a trailer can look a lot better than the series, look at Secret Invasion. I'm going to say that with the trailer. And I've done... Do you think the trailer's better than the series? No, no, no, no, hold on a second. Well, let me go back real quick. Have they established, and I hate when they do this, Kingpin.

Well, that's not the Netflix, kingpin. It's the Multiverse, and that's the Kingpin. They haven't said that. Because Charlie Cox's Dairy Devil, even though he's a different suit, was the same guy. He just was. So I didn't mind the Kingpin as much as you did, but I saw that. But I have, we've talked

talked about trailers and I saw people's reaction to echo and everyone's saying this movie was this shows a disaster. But for me, the big weirdness was to putting it all together and dropping it once because what that avoids is the water cooler moments week to week. I hate them. I hate when stranger things does it. I hate it. They wanted to build. Marvel loves to build. Loki's working for everyone right now. I can't wait the next week. Yeah. If you have faith in your series, you spread that out. Yeah. Not just dump it all at once. So it talks for a weekend and then it's done. That's a weird thing. But I'll save my theory. So there's what I dubbed the 65 trailer reaction bullshit I saw it with 65 I saw it with the creator where film Twitter goes nuts Oh my God Jesus Adam Driver lasers dinosaurs

And then it comes out and no one talks about it Because it wasn't good Same thing with the creator I like the creator You don't hear that but now and I see what this It's like people don't understand that trailers can be designed to look like And a lot of times the trailers are made by people that didn't even work in the film

Right So Echo had an interesting theory with it. It doesn't seem like anyone's behind it. You know, people are not excited for it. They weren't put in this trailer drops. And the MCU's back. Variety bullshit article. Who cares?

Right. But what I'm thinking of, because this movie was made, the show was made. I have a feeling that the show. And we saw people like, this hits. The way it does, people are going to eat crow. And you're going to owe a lot of people of an apology. Right. But maybe they were making the, because they,

Fige and them approved it. Do this. Maybe they were making, it seems, in the vein of a Netflix show, the violence, Daredevil, Kingpin. But in that interim, since then,

Marvel's gone to Sheealk, Moon Night, the Marvels, this more superheroy, fun, joky, it seems like lighter tone, whereas maybe more,

I was like, well, that's, Echo, that's not what we're doing anymore. Yeah, we're just going to get rid of it over there. Right. But maybe that's what everyone wanted.

So, So I feel it's like that's what we always people wanted with the next. So basically they looked and even, we might have miscalculated, sir. Yeah, right. Like, I mean, possible. Yeah. The ship has been going this way. Yeah.

I know. So let's just. But you're not, you're not into the darker things though, right? No, like the Netflix dare level still to me is the gold standard. Yeah. It's the, but that's,

the reason why I think there is some merit to that that theory, though, is because I think that what they probably did was they looked at that. And they said, if, what I'm hoping is, this show's pretty good. Like, it's, we got to do TVMA, but it's pretty good. And then Pikes said, well, what's going on with Deer Devil right now? They're like, uh, yeah. And he's like, well, if it's in the same universe, or it's, if it's all connected and it looks more like Hawkeye, then it does this.

Yeah. It goes into your theory of they're like, well, let's just dump the other ones, put it out. And that way we can do our show with Deer Devil the way that we had it. Yeah. And then they go, well, what if we don't do that? What if we still release this in January, this way we say we will? But instead of releasing Daredevil the way we thought we were going to do,

the jokier, funny. Let's rewrite it more like Echo. Yeah. And maybe that's what happened to where instead of this, Echo is going to be this bad show, it was just the tone was, they thought that the tone was off, but it turned out that that's the tone people wanted,

as you were saying. Yeah. And then they're like, well, let's just rewrite Daredevil. Because if they do 18 episodes of Daredevil, In the Netflix style? That's a lot, by the way. I think it's too much. But if they're able to do it.

I think it's, I think the ship was going away. And now they're in that course correction with their stepping back and going, ooh, we, I don't think people would have liked this Daredevil and Kingpin what we were doing with them. So maybe that Echo thing is. Yeah.

And it's recently come out that blade is going to be R. And people are, I saw that. People were like, oh, did you have the faith? Like, no, they said from the beginning that it was going to be PG-13. You could do it,

that R rating, blade thing. It's a new thing. Yeah. They're taking, that they decided to go, yeah, we got to go that. And they're going to also play off of Deadpool, you know, because Deadpool is going to be rated R for sure.

They're going to do this TVMA. They're doing this thing that they're making, they're going, they're up in their audience a little bit. And I think that one of the things that people said, this is the point I was talking to Winston, and we'll talk about it more on Friday, that they,

when it comes to the marvels, that people are like, well, yeah, don't you think it makes sense that they were going after the same audience they went after for Barbie is what in the marketing? And I said, well, here's the issue with that. I said because they clearly were.

Yeah. The issue is that Barbie is an IP that they are going off of when it was created back in, whether the 50s or whatever it was, that was created for women in general, right? Granted, Greta Gerwig flipped it on its head of what Barbie was supposed to be into, but it was geared towards women, daughters, and men could go and laugh about it and stuff too, but it was geared towards women based off an IP that was built for women, right? the Marvels is 30 some odd movies into an established brand that was meant for everyone, right? So like you've built your audience already. So you're going essentially for a new audience. You've got to get, you're trying to get women in there. But the women that don't know it and aren't paying attention to it.

That's just another comic book movie. What's it mean to me? Right. It's almost like that Bill Burr WNBA joke. Do you ever see that? which was about the essentially says that make more money

and stuff but he's like you know why isn't this why isn't this sport doing well because women aren't going to see it like well why aren't men supporting it because it's not it's not for it's for women

yeah and women aren't going to support it women went to support Barbie the question is will they we don't know yet they very well could support the marvelous but the the idea of it that they're just going after that audience it's a trickier thing because they already have a built in audience that they've established

over the course of 15 16 years So it's a risky course correction for, or doesn't say course correction. It's a risky for this marketing, for this particular movie. I see why they tried to do it, but I can also see why it might not work out for them if that was the case. But it's hard because the flip side to that is with a better script and, you know, with a better, and it's easier for me to say because I've seen the film, obviously. But with a better script and more flushed out, and I will say this about Nia da Costa as well, too, where it is, it has to be said to be, to be fair to her. She, and she said it in interviews.

She was basically told, okay, listen, we need you to put this movie this time. Oh, wait, you know what? Now you're going to put it here. Yeah, we're going to move it again because quantum mania's got to move. And we're going to push, we're going to push you a little bit more now. And she's like, well, when am I going to, because everyone gave her crap for leaving the movie. But she, I love how she explained. and she was like, yeah, they kept telling me, they kept pushing it.

I was like, what am I supposed to do? I had obligations. And it's like, I said, as long as it doesn't move again, and then it moved again. So that's not her fault. And it's also, it seems like there's a lot of behind the stuff, Marvel stuff that's been going on behind the scenes that's been really tricky, that they got to get a hold on because I'm not blaming Nea de Costa for this one. I'm really not. I think that she wrote it too, but who knows the pressure and the stuff that she was under to do it. When I see stuff like this, especially the director like her, when people would are saying they're hitting the chemistry with the actors, that that to me is what a director brings.

And again, some directors are more about visuals. Some directors are more about the actor. They seem like they had fun making the movie. I'll say that. I think what I love to hear about Ms. Marvel is the fact that she's a stand-up, but someone had said it best. Maybe it was Jeremy Johnson in his review. He's like, she's just, she was a fan girl that got, like, so many times that I roll my eyes every time I'm in a Comic-Con panel where I'm like the actor or actresses like, I've been a fan. Man of Marvel Comics for years

And I got to finally play the role And it's just a dream come true And you don't buy it at all With her Oh yeah You 100% buy And she's a young kid too So it's just like

She loved it she loved it You 100% Her enthusiasm transfers over to the screen And it's a matter of the character works Because of who she is It's just awesome She's phenomenal And that's why because it's just phenomenal

She's so like a It's true It's just truth. Yeah. And it is. And it is a bummer that the three of them together didn't have a chance to be in a better film. But anyway, that's the majority of stuff inside of that story. And there's more stuff to come.

And what do you guys think as far as like this tone? Do you think that the tone is going to shift? Is it going to be, are they going to try to take it more into the echo tone that we saw into Daredevil, into Deadpool, into all these movies? Because Loki has a pretty, I like Loki's tone a lot, man. I really like Loki's tone. Loki has a good tone where it's like, episode two is the only one. Did you watch it yet? I haven't watched it yet.

I love it. Let me ask you this. I love that show. I've always been of the mind. And I guess I shouldn't say it. I said this maybe a year ago. I don't think, or I didn't think at the time, Marvel will ever make a bad movie.

But I don't remember the last time I said that. Maybe it's a couple years ago. Maybe pre-pand-pand-a-pand-a-mendom. Has Marvel made a bad movie at this point? Yeah. Okay. I look at Love and Thunder, and I think that's a bad movie.

that movie. This is not a good movie. This movie's just really messy. It doesn't know what the tone is. There's a good thing is if I go back and rewatch it because people are like, oh, you're, you're, you were definitely a lot more harsher in this and you were in Love and Thunder. And I'll go back and watch and say, yeah, I had to really think it over a little bit more with Love and Thunder the next day and I tried to watch it again. But I think that, I think that movie's terrible. But on paper, I see a great movie. Love and Thunder? Not on the paper of the script. I go, Christian Bale. Jane Foster would deal with that. Right, right. I was like,

I think the difference between the marvels and that movie is you can see the good movie in the marbles. You really can't. I can find, like, there's tone, like the whole tone of Love and Thunders is a Saturday Live sketch. Like nobody's real. It's a goofy, ridiculous movie. At the end, I guess, you know, the stuff with Natalie Portman, they find some kind of emotional stuff. Maybe that's where the movie could have been. But there's pockets of this movie.

They're like, oh, well, that, that, where's that movie? Continue there. And then they go off and do this cockamamie nonsense. cockamamie it's like you right away you go that something stinks in denver um but when you look at like they have um there's the stuff that works again as i mentioned with with brie larsen or with carol and monica that works well the stuff going on with with miss marvel's family you know like that stuff all works it all works and then and then they start like throw bits in there and i'd tell you this is the one bit it's just i was i can't wait now i can't wait for this moment i'm so excited to see what

you what you say because i just i was a frank janish and i went like this i mean is this is this real is this really happening and he couldn't believe it he's like and roxy was at the screening too and she looked at me she goes i thought of you immediately when that started did she did she did not okay she said she said i thought it would been more up her alley she liked it better than me but she said i don't want to speak for her i don't know no it's okay i'll ask you know what i don't i don't want to speak for her because i don't know she's not talking about stuff right now which i guess we'll get into the sag stuff so um so yeah i don't want to get Roxy's thoughts on the movie.

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I'm not going to say, like, hold on. The thing that we talked about, like, you still, you still, when we can argue about it, and I don't want to argue about it now, you were, you backed out and you were a deadbeat when it came to your bet in Vegas. I mean, you're, your steak dinner. Bullshit. No, you're deadbeat. You shut your mouth. I know.

You're deadbeat, but, but you're deadbeat. But, mule that. Deadbeat. But I'm not going to call anything except I was, I've been dead wrong about it. everything with a strike. Dead wrong. Yeah. Like it's last, even yesterday, I was talking to somebody like, yeah, they, the studio said we, here's our final offer, nothing else. Last best final offer. If they don't take it, we're done. If you're done, what are you going

do? And then, and then Sad goes, well, we don't like that final offer yet. Here's our thing. And they go, okay, maybe it wasn't our final offer yet. We'll rework the wording. No, it's like, just say this. What I love is, we're confident in the deal that we've just presented. Just say that. I think, we're confident in this deal. What I love at this point, Sag is finally gone and they're not going to take if it's not exactly what they want, they're not going to take it. We're past the point of like, well, we're going to have to give this, but we're going to get this. I think Sag is like, no, we are 100 people.

They got them by the balls. They got them by the balls. They know they got them by the balls. And I think it's when I think it was, it might have been this past weekend. And I think it was the weekend. Yeah, we had done the show right before. It was like two weeks from today. We did the show.

And Friday, it seemed like, oh, they got to. a deal. Yeah. And some, the people like, the champagne bottles are popping. My sources tell me, it's like,

unless it comes from SAG, don't listen to anyone. Right. Because come Monday morning and was out at Warner Brothers on the line, and it's like, oh, yeah, we, no,

it's not going to go through. And now we're in that point. And again, I'm going to check right now, because I have a funny feel. Sag put out a thing to us an email and saying, hey, we did 10 hours of work.

Yeah. We still got some concerns. They're very, we have some concerns. And they go back. I think we're into the minutia of it now. Yeah, it looks like it. It looks like this is the, I mean.

I think, and again, I don't know exactly because they don't, until they sell it, they don't send it to us or anything. But I think the residuals thing is covered. I think it's the AI thing that is, is this sticking point. But isn't that what the emails said? The email said that they kind of came to turn to what the AI was. Yeah. Yeah, they kind of came in agreement.

But, and what I can't stand, because I see a lot of this on Twitter, I'm trying not to get into it, is people's like, And one person just pissed me. Like, oh, it's pretty people wanting more money. But not to mention the people that aren't working right now. Let me tell you something about this. This AI thing. If they do AI, we're never going to need hair, makeup, wardrobe anymore.

Let's say one background actor. They scan him. D's done for a thousand movies. Every time that actor shows up without AI, they've got a costume, him, wardrobe, them, makeup. That's a job. Change his clothes and everything. You change his clothes and everything. You AI him.

So this is what we're finding. And the makeup and hearing people will back the actors. Just like if they were to go on strike, the actors would back them. Like the actors backed, we went for the writers before we were even up for negotiation because we know it affects all of us. It's not just actors wanting more money. It's this AI thing is a huge. Huge thing. Yeah, it was one of the biggest thing.

I mean, I'm going to stop saying it because I'm not going to stop saying. What I will say is do not take anything I say in the next five minutes seriously. because I'm probably wrong. But I feel that the deal will come, the end of it will come this week. You shut your mouth. No, the reason, because if it doesn't, then we're going into 2024. Because Thanksgiving is right on the corner. They're going to start pushing stuff.

And I'm going to say this because I know the studios are going to want to get it done by then. I think the actors are in a position with the negotiation that are like, you're still not coming to us on this one right here in this point A. of paragraph 7. I was like, we'll see you in 2024. Gotta go. See when we see it.

So you think they're going to push? You think it's 2024? It's tough because the past two weeks has been this roller coaster. Yeah. I just, I'm so proud of the negotiating. I'm so proud of the union.

They're not backing down because it, this is a, and again, we'll be there in three years when this contract. It's going to happen again. But it is, I have remembers,

remembrance of the 2007 negotiation where we went into it and it was new media. And the studios, they're big signalers like, we don't know how to quantify this. Like we do Blu-ray and DVD. We don't know how to judge this. It's new media.

They don't know new media anymore. You can tell who watches what for how long and what demographic. So all of that's there. So I just feel we're in that point. It's like, that's AI. It's new. We don't know what's going to happen with it.

And then 10 years from now, we're stuck. You know, it's just like, I think. What they need to figure out, though, is because you just mentioned three, in three years from now, they can't do this again. There's got to be, like, Both sides have to know, okay, in three years, because it's so new, that's why we ran into the standstill that we did. But I think in three years from now, they've got to have an idea of exactly what they're willing to give and what they want.

Tyler Perry said something that I do not agree with. He was basically saying, like, we can't get everything we want. I didn't build my business getting everything I want right away. I got a little bit and I continued. I get a little bit more as like, I don't view that because it's going to be like residuals where for 10 years now we've lost out on this. Yeah. I think you have to strike now so that in the future. three years from now, we were like, all right, yeah, we really didn't, it wasn't the save ball that we thought it was going to be.

Let's kind of pull back on this, the studio would say, and is actually going, yeah, you guys really didn't use it. All right. I think, yeah. I agree with it in theory, meaning that in negotiations, so I said the other day, in negotiations, anytime you're going to negotiate, no matter what it is, you go, well, this is what we want. Like if you and I were going into a meeting where we're selling something and we really wanted something. Yeah. That was that we co-owned together. We wrote something together, whatever it might have been, right?

And we go, okay, they want to buy this from us. They want to take this from us. What are we willing? What are we want? Yeah. What are we willing to settle for? Yeah. No matter what, there is a settle point because even if you're like, well, we want this, you've got to always have the, we'll be okay with that.

Yeah. And so that's ultimately what I think. Shoot for the moon. But that's what I think Tyler Perry means also. Like you're never going to, not you're never going to, but you're not always going to get the top point. But if, and the same point, if you've got, well, this is what we'll settle for. Yeah.

But if they come here, then you go, no. Yeah. You got to at least get here. Yeah. I think that that's where. It's negotiating. Common ground. It's negotiating.

But I think that's ultimately what he means. I see. Okay. Okay. That I'm wrong. But I don't know. But he, but the counter to that is, yeah, but maybe you're right. Tyler, we're not getting everything we want.

And that's why we're willing to go here, but they won't meet us here. Yeah. We ain't going there. I see his point. And there are parts of me that are like, but it's the two sticking points in it. And I use this an example of two shows. I filmed two shows in 2021. One was a network and one was a streaming.

The amount of money I'd made, and both were the same day rate. I made my same day rate, you know, money a little bit, a little more because I was a couple weeks on it. But when I get my residuals, It's one is. Right. And it's the same work. So I'm just like, why am I not getting?

Right. You know, it's, well, that's what you just said, though. It's because they haven't figured it all the way out now. And that's the beauty of what the negotiating committee is doing. They're like, okay, fine. Yeah. You haven't figured it out because it's so new, but we need to figure it out. So let's figure it.

They figure it. That's what they're saying. So let's figure it out. So they're figuring it out together. And hopefully, I'm hoping that by today or tomorrow, we get some kind of new. but I don't know. What do you guys think? Because like I said, I have been wrong every single time. I will say I'm kind of with you on this one just because the timeline and the events are happening with the writers happened.

I remember when they came to the writers with their last best final. They said the same thing. And I think within a week they had had the deal on. So you think it's going to happen this week? I would say maybe Sunday night we're going to have that final. The eyes are dotted, tees are crossed come Sunday night. But I'd also wouldn't be surprised If it goes into 2024

If they hit a snag Yeah No more snags Come on no more snag For a lot of different reasons Also because on the selfish side When it comes to just as a movie fan Outside of everything too

The summer season is now going The summer season's in trouble Already right now Because it's like May May is you're looking at it And so many things are going to be pushed to May I don't think the summer season Is really going to start until like late June

Did they push June already Yeah, June is supposed to come out to March March now. Because June was done. Dune's done. Dune's done? Dune's done. Yeah, I know.

It's supposed to come on in the Christmas. It's supposed to come out on the Christmas. It's supposed to come out of October. What? Already? It was supposed to be out of ready. It would have come out, I think, that either the same week or the second or the second week of Five Nights at Freddy.

And I think Five Nights at Freddy was like, who-hoo. Thank God. Dune didn't come out. So anyway, before we say goodbye, Mike and I are going to react to the newest Oh, yeah, that's right. We got a Ghostbusters trailer that came out, and I want to play this because we haven't seen it yet. Yeah, I'm going to preface this. I haven't seen Afterlife.

Okay. I loved the first one. I was a kid at the time. Second one loved it. But I don't have that affinity for the Ghostbusters that a lot of people do. Sure. I didn't know what to. The only reason I was excited about afterlife was because it was Jason Reitman, of course, taking the mantle from his father.

Yeah. I really enjoyed the third one. I enjoyed it a lot. Which one we talk about? The third one. It's in, because the first one, the only ones that are in canon are one, two, and then afterlife. So 2016 is not.

No, that's a completely different. It's like a multiverse, if you will. I remember I was really excited for that one until I started hearing it's like, Bill Murray and Dan Eckerdin, but they're not their characters. Different characters. And I'm just like, okay, I'm done with this. They sold it. They sold it in the trailers as, as that you thought it was part of the same can.

They should have made it part of the same. How they didn't just go, you know what? The Ghostbusters decided to franchise. And this is a different franchise and a different city. It's a different thing. And they brought it and they helped them out a little bit to do some stuff too. But yeah. But anyway.

Anyway, afterlife, I really enjoyed it a lot. I thought it was a really sweet. I thought that the little girl in that was awesome. There's a moment that happens at the very end of it that I definitely got tears in my eyes. And then I watched it again with my daughter and my wife on Blu-ray. And they both really enjoyed it. So it's like it was a good family experience. That's on Paul Rudd, right?

Yes. Yeah. It's like a good family experience. So this is the follow-up trailer. This is the second. movie in the new franchise. So fourth overall, here is the newest trailer for Ghostbusters. Nice little cruel summer.

Take it. Anytime you can use cruel summer, you've got me on board. Uh-oh. Slow it down. Oh, shit. Ghosts are coming out of firing, Mike. Why is that? It's a ghost, mother of.

Who are those old people? Fasts it down. It's getting serious. Uh-oh. Go sharks. Ghost sharks. What is that? Oh, it's ice. It's frozen. It's the Ice Age.

Frozen Empire. Oh. Look at that. Don't do over CGI, though. Don't do over CGI. Oh, no. Yes. Love that sound.

That's the girl. People froze to death in the middle of July. What is it? The death, Joe. Yes. Nobody's bad. Oh, yes. Yes.

They show them. That's amazing. Your veins turn to rivers of ice. I didn't realize that they were back. Your bones cracked. And the last thing you see. Pat and awesome? Freezing up.

Oh, yeah. Like literally scared to death? So cool. That's great. How cool is it for Finn Wolfhard, though, man? Like, Zool? No, Zool again. That's amazing.

I think it was pretty good. Yeah, it makes me want to go, oh, I should watch the one before. Yeah. And it's, yeah, again, family film looks pretty good. When does it say it's coming? It's coming soon. It didn't really give a full release on it yet. I think they're like, we don't know.

Let's see. But yeah, I like the trailer for it. I like the fact that you got the original cast back, you know, but Finn Wolfhardt. Yeah. Imagine, because you haven't seen Stranger Things, but Stranger Things, it's such an homage to like the 80s and the things that we love. And then they actually have a reference to the Ghostbusters. and this kid's in that.

He was in it. He was, you know, he's in Ghostbusters. What a fun career. And he's only, I don't even he's 20 years old yet. He's close to it.

But like, that's pretty, I like that trailer. I liked it a lot. And I like, I like the switch up as we're talking about, you know, these other kind of,

it reminds me again of, like when we were growing up, the kinds of movies that it wasn't just reliant on superhero movies to be the big blockbuster movies. You have like these other movies that are, that are kind of hitting

and people are getting excited about. And I think, I hope Ghostbusters delivers because that was, That was a decent trailer. How did Afterlife do in the theater? Pretty good. I think decent.

Let me look at the... Let me look. Buster's Afterlife worldwide did around $204 million. Yeah, maybe not. Well, let's see what the... Come on now. Let's see what the budget was. On the $75 million budget.

Really? Yeah. $75 million budget. You can make movies, Mike, for $75 million. Tell me that. Yeah, I'm just saying you can be spending... So what... But is that a success, that?

It's $75 million. Double that for... Probably double, let's say marketing. So, so in... In its box office alone, again, because of the strikes, you're not getting all the numbers and stuff too, but what people also don't, look at a movie like, when did that release?

Wait, no heart feelings, right? Which is the gentleman. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That movie did terrible in the movies. It's crushing on streaming, like crushing on streaming. So there's different. Because it's probably good. It's all right.

I watched it. It's all right. It's a good streaming movie. It's a good, the movie starts out, I watched it with my wife the other day. It starts out and you're like, oh, this is going to be bad because it looks like a really comedy that's just not funny. And then it actually adds a little heart to it.

And then the kid who's in it is phenomenal. And it produces a little story. But like there's a streaming aspect now that adds a level to success that a $75 million movie that makes $250 million in the theater. If it does well in the streaming and it does well on home, you know, buy it. Then it's a success when it's a $300 million budget. Yeah. and you barely made $150 million, like Indy, you know, I don't care how well you do on, because Indy did pretty well on digital also, but like how does that balance out?

Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know. I don't know. We have good conversations here today, Mike. We can't. Oh, we can every once in a world? Yeah, why not? Good, why not?

Well, we're not busted nuts off. Well, you're busting your own nut, I guess. All right, listen, this is, I don't know, this is getting too far. So thanks for joining me here today. Make sure you check out, Mike. Where can people find you? On the Twitter. I'm there.

Every once in a while. Yeah, it's the discourse thing. You're just waiting for this thing to end so you can get back to work. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. All right. So for me, you can find me all over the place, tweets and all that stuff.

But again, thank you guys for joining us here today. And I've got to make a new one. I've got to make a new one. Help us get to 200,000. Hit that button. Did you have anything planned if you hit 100? Or is that more of the subscribers? We were going to do a live stream because my calculations were incorrect, Michael.

I thought we were going to hit it by like next week. Yeah, so you're a little behind the eight ball. I mean, it's a good thing to be. And so I was going to do a live stream, but I'll probably do a video thanking the fans instead. I'll probably do that. But yeah, so thanks for joining us. And once again, if you're able to and you're going to be there, get to Burbank. It is the big thing, comedy show.

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Loved everyone positive. And I used to be, you said anything even remotely weird. I'm going at you. And now I watch Koy and I love, I read it with zeal and zest watching him. Yeah, you watch him go to the dark side. I was like, oh, I was there, pal. Not going to change anything. So that'll be with Koi.

Winston will still, it'll be next year, but we'll get him to Halloween Horror nights that we get to a thousand. We've got... Does he not like Halloween Hornets? No, he's terrified. A little big baby? Yeah, when it comes to that stuff. Both, I think it's a 1200. Brett and I will go front seat to a Corey Feldman concert.

I saw one of those. Someone had it like... The video? Yeah, it's terrible. Oh, man. It was like a small venue, too. He bumped himself in the head with the microphone. And then at 10,000 patrons when we get there,

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