The Kristian Harloff Show - Freddie Prinze Jr Interview! Freddie talks Wrestling, Horror, Star Wars

Episode Date: May 11, 2023

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Happy Thursday. Welcome back to the big thing. And we've been talking about it. We finally got it done, man. Freddie Prince Jr. is in studio. He's got a lot, he's got a lot working right now, man. I'm excited to talk to him about his new projects. We're going to talk wrestling.

We're going to talk horror. We're going to talk everything and anything that I can think of to talk about with my buddy now that he's in studio. Finally, I'm excited for it. And you guys should be excited too, man. We got a bunch of cool stuff happening, and especially on. on the 23rd. We're going to be at the New York Comedy Club on June 23rd, so make sure you can get those tickets at the Christian Harlov.com.

And June 24th, we're going to be, myself and Mark Ellis, going to be with the double-toasted guys, Stanford, Connecticut, excited. So June 24th, June 23rd, the Christian Harlov.com. All right, enough of this. Let's talk about everything with Freddie.

Right now, it's a big thing. Let's do it. Welcome, everybody. Welcome back. Christian Harloff. Brett Sheridan and our special guest today. Freddie, Prince, Jr. What up, homie?

How are you? What's up, man? How are you? Good. First of all, big love to Mark. Always love Mark Ellis. And Stanford, Connecticut, where I used to work at WWE. You and me both.

Both in one promo package. There we go. So much. Let's start with there. Let's start right away. We were supposed to get this done a couple different times. And we both got sick at one point. Yeah.

Then I had a kid get sick at another point. And it was funny because I could tell that you felt bad a couple of times. I'm like, dude, I have been down this road so many times over the last two years of my kids. You know, I have a five and a half year old and an 11 year old. And it's like, the five and a half year old picks up shit. Like, you know. Their triple age said they're walking petri dish. A hundred percent.

It really, it's so true. It's like my wife has just been bombarded. She thought sending them back to school was going to be like, oh, now I get some time to myself. And it's like, now she's going to worry about the new illness of the week. It's like, it's like every single time. But either way, we finally got it done. So thanks for joining me, man.

I'm glad to be here. And we know that you know this character from our Rob Zombie videos. Yes. Making friends. Making friends. That was called the shattering. It was definitely the shattering, for sure. And we even talked about the other day because Roxy was in and I had sent you that thing where I talked.

You know, I've turned that whole thing into a bit of the communication thing with her. And so she's like, Freddie said it best. I hate you. it was so good it's a good thing yeah it was good sometimes you need balance you're all love or you're a weirdo fuck that um let's talk about everything you got going on to

because you and I send such I mean the text that you send me sometime I'm just in awe of everything you got going on because your love for wrestling obviously writing for wrestling for what you did and kind of going back and forth and being so I see it a W in the crowd I see it at WrestleMania like you're just a fan right so well here's everything that's going on

and then you just pick what you want to talk. Please. All right. I have my wrestling podcast is called Wrestling with Freddy. We call it wrestling with friends because I do with my co-host, Jeff Die. Who I know. Jeff will, yeah. He's super funny.

He's a crazy fan and he loves wrestling. My other podcast is called That Was Pretty Scary. It's with me and James Juan's protege, John Lee Brody, where we kind of relive and talk about every horror movie ever. So I'm excited about that. I start a movie in two weeks called The Girl in the Pool with me in an awesome cast, Rodin plays the girl in the pool and my character's mistress.

I think Kevin Pollock's going to be my scumbag in-in-law. Yes. And I think Jim Lee Ziegler is going to be my wife who I'm cheating on. And I love Jamie. I worked with her years ago on a Frank Whaley movie. So I got those three things going on. And I have the premier streaming network, which is a company that I am now a co-owner in. And they feature independent wrestling from all over the country, all over the world. and they have a huge event coming up September 9th in Jersey

where they're doing their premier championship and this is what I love about independent wrestling. They reached out to everyone who they distribute content for and this is just an app. You can go to the app store right now, Premier Streaming Network, check it out and subscribe. They have all these different independent promotions that they represent and then each promotion

is sending their best wrestler, their champion, to come and compete almost like Kumete style and compete for the premier championship. championship, which will then be able to be defended in any promotion. Yeah. So it's a really cool way for me to learn about independent promotion. It's a big passion of mine. You know I've been working on something.

I can tell the story of that, the one direction I tried to go and now I'm shifting if you want. But that's everything going on. Why don't we start there? Start with the, I mean, kind of the, the way that we got from. I thought we were going to talk about what we were talking before the show. Oh, about the Brazilian ass slapping? Yeah.

Talk Brazilian ass slapping. Is it Brazilian? Romanian. I don't know what are they, but I'm on board. Yeah. If they're hot, yeah. Well, he went from the face slapping to now there's ass slapping. And I said to him, I have, I'm telling you right now that I am never going to not be surprised with what the world comes up with. As long as it's super hot chicks or big old fat dudes. You know in between. But anything else. Anything else. No, we'll get to Romanian ass slapping at the end of the show. But I'd like to start with what you, as far as, like you said, you're working on something in general. of putting it together the wrestling in general, the promotion and how you landed with Premier. How did it all start from, you know, like the seed?

How did the seed to where you are now? I wrote a script for a scripted wrestling show that was sort of a hybrid between what people saw on heels and Lucha Underground, right? And I don't want to talk about the content because I don't like that stuff getting out. Sure. But it got a lot of love within the industry

and a lot of producers, multiple producers, wanted to be a part of it, and I sort of had a home for it already. But I would have owned the least amount of the show. Oh, okay. In comparison to the producer, the showrunner that they insist you use, even if you're a writer,

and the studio. And so I backed up and tried to rethink and approach it the way Vince does, right? Which is he licenses, raw to USA. USA has no say. I know there's like a lot of dirt sheets out there. Oh, the USA Network wasn't happy with this. It doesn't matter what they're, it doesn't matter what you're happy with. Um, so I thought, okay, I'm going to self-finance this and then do it on this premier streaming network, have a home for it. And then if we want as a business, if we want to then sell it

or lease it from that point, we can do that. But I don't, know anything about independent promotion. So this was also a huge way. This is all because of Matt Cardona, actually. King of the Indies and King of the Death Match. I love this guy. He introduced me to the people that created Fight TV. They were creating this. We sat. We talked. I had a lot of interest in what they were doing and attempting to pull off. I had a lot of belief in their plan. And so I became a co-owner in the company. And it's a great way for me, first of all, I'm really proud of it, but it's a great way for me to get an education on independent wrestling because I only know WWE and AEW in the last few years.

And I may know a lot about those, but that's way different than an independent promotion. Yeah. And I don't want to go in there and eat shit, or excuse my language. No, you're right. Okay, I don't want to eat it. And I want to make sure that it's great. So that was where the partnership came from. It had sort of multiple functions for me.

One, I believed in their idea. and two, I really thought I could get a college education and independent wrestling, so to speak. No, and when you're explaining that up top, the way, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but the way it looks like, what I was hearing was it reminded me of back in the day before Vince kind of monopolized everything, and it was like the territories, right?

That's funny. They literally define themselves as a futuristic territory system where they're trying to unite the clans, unite the clans. And that's what they're trying to do is bring all these together. I've helped them get a couple. They had a bunch before I got there. What's really cool is a lot of the professional wrestlers that we watch today,

the Sammy Zanes and the Kevin Owens. You can watch all their Generico and Kevin Steam matches because they own all those libraries from all their independent days. So all these guys and girls that people enjoy watching in professional wrestling, they all started somewhere. And now if that does interest you and you like going on those deep dives, you can do it there. And you literally just hit their picture in every match they had come up.

And they own all of it. Yeah, and it's that simple. So it's a really cool idea. I'm behind him big time. And yeah, man, I love meaty men. Smacking meat as biggie once said. Smacking meaty men, smack and meat. Yeah, well, there's all that.

I mean, so it seems like there's a lot of the archive stuff like you just mentioned. There'll be stuff like you mentioned like that Kumita type idea where there's new matches happening. They even have TNA on there now. They do. Yeah, they even brought TNA matches over as well. So they're expanding quickly, rapidly. and doing a good job. I don't oversee any of the business stuff,

but they're very communicative, and I'm impressed every time I talk to them. So how would that work then with, like, say, like, say, like, you start up a thing and you start bringing in new talent and new people, and so obviously the archives is one separate thing, but then when they start doing all the independent people coming out, like your thing that you start,

are they just going to, it's going to kind of mix inside of that Kumita? We would sort of flagship mine and have it, because it's just a wrestling content app. There's no MMA. There's no anything. There's nothing. This would be what we would basically have as the first scripted show on the app. We have some other ideas that I'm going to be involved with as well.

Similar ideas to WWE rivals, which I do on A&E every Sunday. I don't know which episode they're on, but we recorded these a long time ago, guys. But yeah, so there's some similar shows to that that I'll be doing where I'm bringing in a lot of the indie wrestlers and we're going over their matches and you're getting almost like the Criterion Edition version. of a wrestling match. Now they just call it commentary. But yeah, so I'm, like, again, I'm really excited for it. I nerd out with these guys.

I ask a lot of questions, and I learn a lot about indie wrestling every single time we talk. So what's your approach with now from, because, like you say, you're not as familiar with indie wrestling, and one of the main reasons I'm sure that you guys are collaborating is because of the experience that you've had in the AED and AW&W and W&W and everything. What approach are you going to take in that similar? and what approach from working at those big companies and what are you going to try to do that's radically different? Well, as far as match structure,

the men and women that I met that helped produce these matches, I know who I want. And I've spoken to them, and they've all seen the script. And so we're all on the same page, right? So I'll approach it in a traditional sense as far as, you know, the match building goes. However, and that's from AEW and WWE. the pool of wrestlers is so foreign to me in the independent world

that I'm on the app more than probably anybody else just trying to figure out. It's a unique show. So not every mainstream wrestler would fit in. I'm not looking for the most beautiful-looking people in the world. It's a different kind of show. But as far as the rest of it goes, it's a scripted, drama basically and I'd been doing that for a long time I did ghost writing in the 90s on shows that

I'm not allowed to say um I've sold shows I've sold movies before um I wrote my show back in the day it only lasted one season but that was still 22 episodes um so yeah I'll approach that from my strength and and on that side of it as far as like scene structure script structure character development those types of things, giving reasons, people a reason to be there. Right. It's my biggest problem in wrestling is a lot of times it's just two people doing moves and you don't know why they're fighting, so it's hard for you to care who's winning and who's losing.

You're just seeing cool moves. And you're going, oh, yeah, that's cool. I really, I dig that. That's awesome. But it's still not, there's no story there. Whereas, like, I think there's a handful of pro wrestlers today that have told some of the best stories in the last 25 years in professional wrestling. Yeah.

Guys like MJF, Sammy Zane, those types. So, CM Punk obviously, has to be in there as well. So I want to tell stories, but I want to do a lot of things backstage, and I want to keep the wrestling wrestling in front of the stage. So I was just thinking about this not too long. In WrestleMania, four and five are ones that always stand out to me, not necessarily because they're the best WrestleMania is, but what I loved about them.

No, but then I just throws that out there as a fact, you will not debate. I love, look, for me, no, no, for sure, 100%. But it's one of those things where I used to watch those, And I remember, I loved them because I always, that was during the era where you would go to school and people would go, you know, it's just not real, right? Yeah. Because it was like, because they treated it.

It was before the steroid case and everything, too. And they treated it as it was sports, before sports entertainment came in before they had to say that. So they didn't have to worry about steroids. And so that they wouldn't also, so they wouldn't have to pay the commission fees. That's right. From town to town that they would go to because whatever's fight commission will be there,

they would take a take of the gate and screw that. I know. That's such a gangster mob hustle. So they were smart to get out of it. It was, but the only thing I feel that has been lost, at least for me, what I love. It's a different generation now will not relate to me at all. But I liked that idea and feel like the same way that I would tune in for like Hagler and Hearns, I was tuning in for Savage and Hogan. You cared about both guys.

They were individuals. They had points of view. And they built it for a year. And if they fought, it would be they weren't fighting on Raw. And they weren't fighting on Smack because those things didn't exist at the time. But, but I mean, it was. just a build to it and what really the thing that meant a lot to me and i thought a w has done a pretty good job of this recently is making the titles matter and making the championships matter and so is that

a focus where is because you're saying you know the the storytelling has to be a part of it what's the overall objective besides obviously every business want to make money and i want to go to showcase on the on the independent but what's what's the overall goal do you guys want to compete eventually with with with the big dogs or it's not really about that for me i don't under listen it's not competition unless you're head to head. Yeah. Right. I'm going to be with a streaming service. So I don't not to be rude, but I don't give a fuck about

them. I'll still watch. I don't get why they talk shit on each other. There's 4,700 television channel and 5,000 streaming networks. There's so much room in the pool for people to swim. If your

stuff sucks, then people will stop watching and it will be canceled. Yeah. If your stuff's good, then people will watch, tell their friends, word of mouth, digital word of mouth, all that, and then you get picked up and your show continues. And it's that simple, man. Listen, you are in control of two things in this world,

your actions and your reactions to the actions of others. So anything that you think you're controlling outside of that, I got news for you. You're, fuck. You're going to be raging on the road and not know why. You know what I mean? You have to just focus on what you can control. And all I can control is making sure that my scripts are tight.

I have my first 10 done already. They're written out. I've had a lot of people go over them. I've had professional wrestlers go over them. Only one didn't like it. And his opinion meant a lot to me. And I said, what do you think? He goes, I don't like.

I think it's too inside. I said, okay, I think you might be right. And I made changes. Like two inside baseball? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was like, I think you're giving. away too much of the business. I said, okay, cool. And I made the changes and I gave him another and he was like, whoa, that's, that's way different. Yeah, I like that. I was like,

yeah, it's called notes. But they don't get that. If they did a note in professional wrestling, they could get fired. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? Like, it's, it's, it's a different ball game over there. They don't understand that. So you're really combining. No, you're doing, like, you, you, you'd, you'd made it clear. It's, it's taking the obviously experience that you've had in one portion of your career, combining it with the other portion of your career. Trying to. Yeah. Hollywood hates wrestling so much, though, man. It's crazy.

Yeah, why is that? What do you think? They don't respect the scripted part of it. Yeah. They don't respect that. Does that blend into what we were just talking about with the old sports element? They still haven't realized that it's a television show? No, I think they shit on the fact that there's, well, it could be that.

But I think another part of it is they shit on a lot of the talent because the talent aren't trained actors. Right. And they're not supermodel, like, gorgeous, right? And Hollywood either wants to have trained actors or really pretty people. people, right? And then hopefully they figure acting out. Right. And even if they don't, they can still have a decent career, right? Yeah. So they look at wrestling as like a poor man's version of that. And it's just like, oh, well, it's not this. It's just like, what the hell are you talking about, man? Yeah, but it's a fight sequence. The only part of the Jackie Chan movies I like

are the fights. Right. The rest of it, I'm like, yeah, right. Yeah. But if you really pay attention to look. So I was, and this kind of transition to, I guess, stuff with the WWE because what I had noticed over the last couple of, I'd say last year, I was kind of, I would tune in and out and I would check into the pay-per-views, and I'd watch them with my daughter. Like, we watched Russell Meany, watch a bunch of things. That's the average fan. One in every four and the pay-per-views. That were their analytics. Yeah. And that's, and that's kind of what, I mean, it wasn't that way for me for a long time, but also, not just because I had lost interest when I stopped writing there, and then I got back into it when I was, it's a shmowdown and stuff. Like, yeah, yeah. When I left, I knew all the

tricks. Yeah, I didn't want to watch the magic show. Working in the sausage factory. Like a year. Yeah. And then I got back into it. And I started, and I started watching it again to learn when I was, when Shmodeon was really taken off, I started to watch it on the network because I was like, oh, who are these new characters? And I learned everything.

And I was, you know, and I started watching a little bit more on the network. And then I kind of, and then I would just kind of look in. And then I, for one portion, I just didn't think the writing was very good for a little bit. And then. Fair criticism. Triple H. When he took over and all that shit went down with Vince, I was like, they're telling stories again.

And that, and I try. trying to. Yeah, and I try and I watch it. They are. They're not all, sometimes it's a swing and a miss. Yeah. But they're taking big swings and they're trying to do story-based content. Can you explain to me now?

So what? What is independent wrestling? What is independent wrestling? I had a quick question about that. I've, I've only gone to one, like downtown L.A. You know, I was afraid with getting raped on the way, getting to, from my car to the, you know, but then it was like, this was the coolest thing. And I, you know, I was WrestleMania back in the day. Yeah.

you know, fight with my parents saying it was real and getting screaming and crying and go in my room. But like this was the most fun I've had like going out in L.A. and being right there. And I was surprised this place wasn't packed out. Are you trying to like bring awareness to these independent kind of, is that the independent you're talking about? Or is it a higher level? Well, it's both. They're not they're not discriminatory. They're an equal opportunity independent wrestling company. No, I've seen everything from tiny lucha shows to big luchador shows.

I've gone to wrestling pro wrestling, Brian Kendricks, which is at a sportsman's lodge in Burbank. It seats about 80 people. That's great. The ceiling's eight feet high, and they got guys doing flips off the top rope with their feet just skimming the ceiling.

That's the thing. So I've seen that and everything in between at this point in my life, and it's about highlighting and putting a spotlight on all of them so people can see some of the things they're missing. Wrestling Pro Wrestling is a comedy wrestling show. Each one is about two hours long, and each one is a movie wrapped up in disguise of independent professional wrestlers.

And it's hysterical. Xavier Woods took me to my first one. And we're sitting in the back, and this guy named Serial Man comes out. I love it, he's got on a wife beater, or I can't say that anymore. A tank top. As a white man. Please stop music. I'm glad you changed out of yours when I came in.

And he's got a box of weedy cereal on his head. Of course he does. And he goes in and they do this like scene, this promo back and forth, him and the sassy assassin who has a lisp. So he's the thathy at that. He's amazing. And you realize the sassy assassin is going to be Hans Gruber and serial man is going to be fucking John McLean. And every time after a match,

they would reenact another scene from the movie. It was genius, man. Like, he, instead of walking over broken glass, he's walking over broken fruit loops. Because he's serial man. And then they reenact the last scene where Bonnie Bedelia's stuck on Hans Gruber's watch.

And they're both going to fall off Nakatomi Plaza and plummet to their death. Only in this, they're on the top turnbuckle. And instead of Bonnie Bedelia, is Pop-Tart boy who is a Pop-Tart with little arms that come out and little legs that come out

and he can't wrestle but he's a part of the show. How do you explain this when you get home to your wife? The same way I'm breaking it down right now and she's reacting to the same thing. And I said, Pot-Tar boy is hanging off the top

Turnbull, barely hold on to the sassy assassin and that's when Serial man comes in and he rips off the Pop-Tar boy glove. And when the glove, comes off the sassiest asset, falls on all the other terrorists. Oh, and the other terrorists were orphans that were never adopted.

Well, Freddie, our time is up for the day. Remember to do those affirmations that I told you. Norm McDonald's. 100%. But that's the type of stuff, though, where you see, that's, that in general just sounds fun.

Those are the two extremes, right? WWE and that. And then everything else in the middle is beautiful meat in the sandwich. It's my favorite stuff. and I'm scrolling through like TikTok or whatever, too. And it's like, if wrestling's fake, explain this. And you see the Michael Jackson pro wrestler moonwalk into a DDT.

The guy fighting a doll. It's like, it's like that kind of shit. Yeah, yeah. But people say that there's, you know, you don't, I don't think you'll really understand the athleticism until you go to these places. Because you can't get front row, like I can't get front row seats to, you know, W.W. Yes, you can.

You know how cheap those tickets are? Oh, I have no idea. Oh, easy it is or just text me. All right. Now we'll do it. Yeah. But speaking to W.D. I wanted to talk about kind of the transition of what happened there, because you can explain

it probably better than I can. I hope. Because I don't know. The way that I look at it, because you say a lot of times, this happens in movies and TVs, the audience gets a hold of what they think the story is and then it goes all over social media. Well, that's a matter of fact. So once WB sells, you know, over to Endeavor, yeah.

And then there's this rumor or, or, fact that Vince is behind now and now he's behind the scenes and he's back and he's writing and and I don't know how you felt about it but I watched that raw after wrestling I thought it was terrible I was there yeah and did you think it was good I left wow it was bad my daughter got bored yeah she said there's no wrestling I said give him a break it's the day after wrestlingia a lot of guys can't work and she goes no the talking parts are boring and it's just like yeah it was like a 15 minute promo by triple H but that show was not that show that show that show was completely and I know this for a fact because I talked to wrestlers that were there.

It was a completely different script. There was way more action. And then in the moment, as it happened all the time when I worked there, and I'm sure when you worked there, too, last minute rewrite, page one. Not a scene of page one rewrite, which is going to give the talent maybe six minutes to learn their stuff. So this is what I don't understand. And I guess I do understand that when it comes to Vince, because if, I don't, I hate this

thing that they're doing now with bringing in the heavyweight title, another thing. It's like, I like the idea that they had the WW and Universal, one guy has it and that's like the championship. Yeah, it feels like a lesser title and it just debuted. And it's just debut they're doing a tournament now and it's like, who cares? And it's like, now

it seems like this is the Vince side of it. Do you think it's just impossible for me? Because Vince is now, now that they sold it over, can swim in more cash until the day the guy dies, right? Is it just he feels like, yeah, they doubted me in the early 90s when they said that Hogan's gone and it'll never come back

and they doubted me in WCW, I can make it happen again and you'll love me the way that you love me beforehand. What is it? Why can't the guy relinquish control? It's just because he had it for so long? Men like this,

and you can take it as a compliment or an insult, I guess, depending on how you're wired, are pathological. They're obsessed. There's something in them where it's never enough. Like Vince isn't ever going to be able to spin the amount of money he earned. Elon Musk is never going to spin

the money he earned. But there's an obsession. I have to be the richest. It's a waste of our time to go, why? Right. We're not even in the same galaxy. Yeah. But to me, it doesn't matter.

Like, we're rich, right? Like, and I don't want to work. Right. You know what I mean? Like, it's only if it's something I really like. But I'm not out there going like, man, I got to get, I got to get 10 more million. Like, I've never, I've never said that ever. Like, as long as I'm comfortable and my belly's full.

and there's gasoline in my car. Like, then everything, everything's cool, right? So there's a pathology there that that 100% exist to the point where I used to say, on my podcast, I say he's on dying gorilla position, which is the backstage scene. Like, that's where he's going to go. And he can't stay away. I remember Jeff Dye said when he went away, he goes, he's going to come back in eight months to the Royal Rumble and be the last competitor.

And then it'd become a world heavyweight champion just to get a middle finger. He came back in eight months. It just wasn't at the Royal Rumble. Right. So, you know, whether you love him or hate him, he's a part of WWF forever. And it's his, it's his baby. And what he had to go through to get it and what he then had to go through to protect it is span, has spanned over multiple decades and is the reason why he'll never walk away. Right.

The king doesn't leave his castle, man. The king dies. this castle. He doesn't leave. So then where does that, where do you think that that lies with Triple H mentally, right? Because here's Triple H who over the last year, two years is writing this stuff, or year,

whatever, and the fans are really getting behind it. It's the most positive. I've seen people responding to the WWE creative and I can't even tell you how long. And this is someone again who's more of a casual fan. I'm sure someone who's in it probably saw that as well. How does he take it? Because of course on on camera it's going to be like yeah you know we're going to work together we're going to do this but it's got to be a fucking gut punch to work that hard and then get kicked right in the nuts

again it's it's awkward speaking for other people yeah based on my experience there Vince had been like this with triple h from the time i was there to the time i left like he would just hunter would have sick ideas and Vince would kill him for no other reason than to keep him like humble basically or whatever his motivation was. I never asked him. I always just thought it was a silly thing to do. But when you were the only show in town, you can get away with screwing things up on purpose, which is basically what it was.

We're going to do something less good than that, potentially even bad, just to teach a lesson. The WW is notorious for that. You can pick any decade and they've done crap like that. So, but he was the only show in town. So he felt like he could get away with it, which is also another. one of the reasons why Hollywood doesn't respect it is because of that half-ass kind of stuff that they see all the time.

When I got there, they were talking about trying to get an Emmy. And I was like, you better be talking about a tech Emmy. And they wouldn't listen. I was being dead serious. You know what I mean? They're like, well, what do you mean? I was like, do, show your editing packages, show the complex camera shots that you have to do,

but don't try to submit a wrestler or a script for your consideration. Like, are you crazy? but they were serious about it. So I think Triple H is used to it at this point. I don't think there's probably anyone in the company who can roll with the punches as well as Triple H. I don't think there's anyone in the company that's had to take more punches than Triple H

from his wrestling time to his executive time and currently. I remember when he had NXT going, it was the best professional wrestling on television. And then they took it away from him and turned it into, you can't do that on television. Lesson type thing, right? And it was like, people were about to say, I don't know and get slimmed.

And it was splatter paint everywhere. And it was unwatchable. But that's what WWE was for for the children. NXT had a more adult field to it. And it started making WWE feel special again. And that's exactly right. And now that's kind of taken away. So my question to follow up is, is there any world?

Because someone said this listening to what you're doing now and what other people then, what Tony Khan has done. Is there any world where Triple H is like, you know what? Fuck this. and starts his own shit because I feel like there'd be a lot of people that would follow him. Wow.

I can't, I just can't see that. Yeah. I mean, the only reason there's not a union is because the wrestlers know how embedded Triple H is and he would never go. I mean, I, there's no way, right?

There's no way. But wouldn't they follow him? But wouldn't they follow him? A lot of people. Sure, but you have to think about his, his motives, right? Like he is the WWF. Yeah.

He is that. Like the only thing he didn't do for the company was hold the mantle during the PG era because he wanted to do DX and that's not PG. So John Cena took that and deserves a truckload of credit for carrying that the unappreciated decade of wrestling, right? Yeah. And literally holding it on his broad as fuck shoulders. Triple H could have been that, didn't want it. but the guys had to go through everything from the notorious MSG event where they all kissed and said goodbye and then getting just shattered by the execs

and the company and just making him go through jumping through all kinds of hoops to when I was there watching Vince kill his ideas that we had built up on television and he literally just cut the legs out just because and it would tickle him you know what I mean Like, it was just, he's like, you're going to earn it because I had to earn it. Some Game of Thrones shit. But I think he knew Triple H would always be the one to run it one day, not Shane or Stephanie, and that's why he was so tough on him. That's what I'd like to think.

Yeah, it's just because you wonder, like, I happen to agree with you. I don't think he's going anywhere. But like, it's just like one of these things where, because Vince, let's say he's got another 10 years in the tank, right? Another 50. Yeah, right. It's true. He's just a clone.

He's going to be the oldest man on Earth. 100%. But let's, let's just say. And then so. so Triple H holds out for that long, you know, or he goes off and does his own thing. Either way, it's an exciting time wrestling. Hearing what you're doing is very exciting, too,

because it is that kind of, it's different. And I think that that's what you need to do. It's a renaissance. It's a baby renaissance, but it's a renaissance. It hasn't come to fruition as quickly as I'd hoped, but I can at least see that wrestling's on that path. Yeah, and I think by what you're doing in the way that you're kind of,

you have new partners and have other people and shining new spotlights on people. It's also, do you ever get nervous, inside of it that we're building some of these people up that eventually if they really get popular then you know these A.W and WDB is going to snake them. Brother, I've had to rewrite the show five minutes already.

When they took Killer Cross again, when they took Bray again, who else did they grab recently that that I want? Serial man. No. Serial man. He's a hero we all need. AEW's more open and shares talent, but WWE

does not. But yeah, I've already rewritten it a handful of times. So you know kind of going into that what you got to be prepared for. Cross was the first person to read the script. Got it. He was the first person to read the script. And I had to trust them. I barely knew him. I only knew him through John Henigan. And Johnny Nitro, Johnny Wrestling, whatever name you know about. He's got a thousand nicknames. It's Morrison. John Morrison. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I only knew him a little bit from like a FaceTime call. And I just reached out on Instagram. I was like,

dude can I call you and he was like yeah and we just talked he had been released by wwee at that time and I talked about this story for him and his and his wife uh liz or sorry scarlet uh scarlet bordeaux and uh we were just speaking and he really clicked with the idea is like all right dude it's already written i'm gonna send it to you i was like but you just can't show anyone he's like i promise and he never did do you're such a good dude um and i sent it to him and we were in big talks and then i got the call and he was like hey man and he goes, I got a call from Triple H.

And before he even continued, I was like, take it. Yeah. And he'll tell you, he'll, he's, I think he's even told the story.

So he'll tell the same way. And he was like, I just feel so bad. And I go, what title do you want to wear more? My bleep, bleep, bleep title or the WWE championship?

Right. And he goes, yeah, that's what my mother said. I was like, so listen to your mother. That's cool, though,

that's the kind of conversation. And chase the bag. And granted, we had a nice bag for him too, but I don't know what WW is paying him. But yeah, man, he was he was going to get Amazon money if he went with me. Right. But hey, like you said,

I think that's the reason, I know that's the reason that you're going to do really well in this too, because it's the way that you've always talked to people, whether it's myself, talent included, like, you're the most upfront and honest motherfucker that I've met. It's the only way I know how to be, man.

You are. You are. A straight line. I don't believe in curved lines. I want to get to the point as quickly as possible. I treat everyone with dignity. I give everyone an opportunity to earn respect, but I don't throw respect out there, and I don't expect you to respect me. I just simply expect the opportunity to earn it. Right. And as long as we have that mutual understanding, I think it's always the best business relationships. A lot of people in Hollywood hate that, can't handle it, but they all respect me because I don't lie. Right. No, I mean, again,

from, I've known you now, it's coming up to shit, man, like seven years. And it's like, and it's like, Every single time. I thought it was even longer. It's something like, I mean, unless you include the ha-ha cafe from 20-some odd years ago. Hey, man, I like a ha-ha. I did too. I did too. I saw you outside the ha-ha.

That was that night. That was a bit where some girls asked for a picture with you and I was like, I had a bit I came up within my head. I'm like, I'm going to go, can I get one too and have you take the picture with me and the girls? And I did, I check it out. I took a good bit. I know. It's a good bit. It was a good bit.

I told him last time I was on. I got mad at him for no. fucking reason. He was like, because he's like, he's just there watching his friends in this thing. And I'm like, I'm afraid, Fray's going to watch my set. And he had to leave his fucking like 11 o'clock and he was exhausted. And I'm left and I'm like, yes to leave, I'll watch my set. I don't fucking know who I was.

Big time. Yeah. Unbelievable. So, but one last wrestling question before we move on the other stuff. I don't want you, I know that you, because Chris Van Lee's a buddy of mine as well, too. And I just saw you on his show and you guys kind of dove deep into the scene and punk stuff. And I don't want to get into all that. But what I do want to ask is there's rumors that he was like, he was there.

He was at Raw. Yeah, I heard that. And is there any, because, you know, the guy's super talented. I've had, I've had him on the show a couple times. It's always been great to me, but I know he's had these issues with a lot of people. And I know there's particular wrestlers that you said there's some wrestlers that are going to fit your brand and some that not. If Phil comes to you and goes, hey, I want to work with you guys. Do you open that door?

I don't think he would. You know, when I worked at WWE, he was there and he was pretty standoffish with me. And understandably so, he didn't want the Hollywood guy talking to him about, wrestling. I don't think he understood that I went in there with a student's mentality, and I just wanted to help people with promos. And he never needed help with a promo. He's arguably the best promo in the business. So there wasn't much of a reason for me to work with him, but I don't think he would be interested in working with me. That said, he would be the right look. The CM Punk character would fit my brand and what I'm trying to do. But like you said, I'm a different kind of guy

than a lot of people in this business. Certainly different than Tony Kahn. We handle things much differently. I prefer conflict. Conflict actually is the only way any disagreement ever get settled is through conflict. I don't do the passive-aggressive thing. I'm very straightforward. There would never be a post-match scrum on any of my shows.

There would never be any of that stuff. I don't even watch them when they're on. I only watched that one because everyone was like, oh, my God, he's crapp about everybody. He's shitting all over his. I don't go for that, but I think I have the type of personality that once you know me a little bit, you go, here's how far I can go. And I would never cross that line because Freddie would never cross lines of A, B, or C.

Yeah. And again, it's just. But you'd be open to it. I'd be open to talking to him. I don't know if he would be. Well, the reason why I think, I'd be curious he was because, like, he took a transfer over to afterwards working in movies. And he was, you know, he was, and obviously he was in heels and he was in. His, look, his mic work is second to none.

Can he wrestle like he used to? No. Can he still wrestle and look like one of the best wrestlers in the world? Yeah. It's just how, I guess the question for a lot of people, not for me, because we'd only do 10 episodes seasons and I'm not making people go on the road, is how many, you know, how many times, how many matches without injury? We're a scripted show I can't, I can't have injuries. You know what I mean? Or it's a big time shit. Right.

Right. So, yeah, there's a lot of things that would go into it. But I respect his work on the mic. I respect his work in the ring. I didn't appreciate the way he treated his boss and that scrum. That wasn't something worthy of respect, but I get he's pissed off and frustrated

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the thing with the thing? The thing that with the thing. So general giants in this over to us and we're going to have, so basically what we did when Katie Sackoff was on. So we've got, she's the best. And so we had,

we had them send this Canaan figure, and Freddie, nice enough said, hey, you know what I'll do? I'll sign it and give it away. So we're going to do the same exact thing. We do a key. So once we get to 2,000 comments on this video,

you guys, whoever we're going to pick us, say something inside. Be nice. Have some kind of comment that you want to do. You want to talk about wrestling. You want to talk about any other stuff that we're about to talk about. Put it in there. And we're going to pick one out. And then we will send you the autographed copy of this great figure by Gentle Giant of Canaan.

So you don't want to give it to the shittiest troll comment? I was going to say, if it's creative. If it's crazy, if it's funny. If it's funny, maybe, maybe. And speaking of stars, I got to ask you before we get into this other stuff, too. You did do stuff with Bad Batch in the beginning of the first season. I was asked to, yeah. I didn't necessarily want to.

I feel like every time you hear Canaan's voice since Rebels ended, it really kind of dilutes his impact. Episode 9 included? Yeah, I didn't want to do that either. I was asked as a favor, and I feel like all their favors are used up now. Fair. So no Asoka. No Asoka. I'm done with Caden.

I'm too old for that stuff. Fair enough. I grew up watching Star Trek more anyway. They've got a lot of Star Wars hearts. They had sex in Star Trek, man. Nobody can get late in Star Wars. Canaan had a kid? They don't get to see any smooching or anything.

That's true. It's off screen. Star Trek would be like, hey, baby, come here. I don't care what species you are. I love that. All right, the other thing that I wanted to ask you back, and this can kind of, I guess, blend into, the podcast, the horror podcast

is, so what's going on with, I know what you did last summer. Is this, are we got to reboot? What's happening? I don't, I can only tell you what I know. Okay. And I don't know a ton. Sure. I know that they have an idea they like. I believe they were writing the script.

I don't think they finished writing it before the strike. So they had to stop, I'm sure, if they want to stay in the union. I had a meeting with the director who kind of threw some loose ideas at me. Yeah.

That some I liked and some I was a little softer on. But I haven't received an offer or anything and I'm not committed to it or. It's not like a done deal yet because it's not even a deal. It's not even a proposed deal. Okay. Because the reports were that you and Jennifer were back. Yeah, that was actually original films. The production, I finally found out who did it.

Okay. And it was them who leaked it. And I think they were just trying to get hype for the next side. See if there was like interest and shit For the for the movie and stuff I wasn't appreciative of that And let them know But uh

Because it made me have to answer a bunch of questions that I don't know the answer to But to date I haven't received any offer And I don't even know if I'll do it like it would have to be It would have to be the right movie And it would have for me to leave my family Which is what would be necessary to do the movie Yeah It would have to be at a price

So what about the rumor of she's still all that Was that uh I was okay so here's actually the story on that so yeah I don't think I've told this story so the producer of the original one who I have love for her name is Jennifer she uh she called me and said we're gonna do a sequel to she's all that and I was like okay because it was just around the time where all that stuff was was going in and she's like we'd love for you to be a part of it she used the word 90s equity the term and uh which I stole in a few since then. And she said, we'd love to have you and Rachel in it. And I remember, she would admit to all this. I said, you should have called Rachel first. It was called She's All That.

And she goes, yeah, but this one's called He's All That. And I said, I better not be the lead. And she said, no, no, no. We hired this girl from TikTok. And I think I may have even said, like, what is that? What does that mean? And she told me who it was. And I said, can she act?

And she goes, yeah, she's really good. And so I looked at whatever footage I could find. And all I saw was like lip syncing, right? So I was like, man, her audition must have been sick. But it just felt wrong. And just felt weird to me. And then I said, okay, if Rachel does it, I'll just tell you guys. I said, if Rachel does it, then cool.

But if they try to spin this off into a television series, I want Rachel and myself to be producers. We don't have to be EP's or anything like that, but I want us to be producers because we were a part, a big part, of why this movie did so well. And in hindsight, I can see that. So she agrees.

Let's try to make all this stuff work. So then, I don't know how many days later, Miramax, who was making it with Netflix, and it's a whole different regime at Miramax. So none of them know me, none of them, I didn't earn any of their respect or anything like that. They made an offer. that I thought was like a rip.

I thought they were joking, right? And I think it was like scale 20 with a guarantee of like four days or something. Copy and credit. I was like, wait, do you think I'm going to be in this movie for no dough? And you're not even talking about a TV show and producers? Like, how hard is it to promise that in a contract when you have no plans to make a TV series? Like it's the safest agreement you'd ever make. And I don't remember the exec's name.

It started with a Z. I can't remember her name but she made an offer that to me was a joke and so I told my I was like don't even call them back don't even email it don't even pass just let it exist out there and I called the producer and said

yeah this ain't this ain't happening I was like how much money did you guys have for the role and she told me the number which she shouldn't have and then I said okay well here's what they offered and that was my pass and then I hung up called Rachel I said they have this much money in the budget don't take a dime less than that I know for a fact they do. And she was like, cool, thanks very much.

I'll take it in a good. Yeah, because you guys are homie still, right? Rachel's my dog, man. She's one of the only women I worked with that didn't hit on me. So she's like, she's like a sister, man. I love that. I love that. Well, you know, and it's interesting because you said as in the setup here, I want to hit the horror podcast, but with a setup where you were talking about the movie that you're doing also, I remember when we were talking, when you were doing rebels, how you were talking about you didn't really want to get back into acting. You, you were, you were, you were concentrate. You like, and I guess

your kids are getting older now too, but like you were concentrated on being with your kids. Voiceover job was easy. You went in, you did, you did your thing. That was for my kids. Right. Right. And so what changed, because you wound up doing the punky Brewster thing, you wind up doing some, what changed where you said, no, I'm going to, you just

kind of get the hunger for it again? Not until after I went back, but my daughter started taking an interest in the arts. Okay. And we won't allow her to act until she's an adult. I love that. We want her to stay a kid, but she's found dance. as a means to do that in school theater as a means to kind of, you know, fill that, fill that void until she can pursue her dream. But once we knew that she was really serious about it, Sarah and I both said,

all right, then we're going to go back and we want to show you that it's not all just glitz and glamour. You need to see what kind of work is necessary to succeed in this business because we'll only help prepare you. We're not going to get you an agent. We're not going to hire you on a job that we're in. We're not doing it. You have to earn everything. So, so she understood that. Sarah went back to work. I went back to work. We brought her on sets of all our projects. So she could see all of it. So it was a crash course.

Yeah. So she can learn. And, you know, I'd rather her not be an actor. So I really encourage her to meet the writers and I'd love for her to do behind the scenes stuff. But right now, she's very focused on acting. She was a good writer. She doesn't like writing as much anymore. Because she's seen, you know,

all the fame, the glitz, the glory and all that stuff. Yeah. So, so yeah, man, we both went back to work and and are trying to show her everything we know, everything we learned so she can take all the stuff she clicks with for me and steal it. Same with Sarah.

The stuff she sees in me that she thinks is bullshit, she can throw away. Same with Sarah. You know what I mean? Did you cash the love for it again, though? Did you for... Yeah, once I did that movie in New York for Netflix. Okay. I worked with this chick, Amy Garcia, who was medically dead when she was a kid, came back to life.

And so it just has the illest perspective on the entire planet and there's I've never met a more solution oriented human being in my life like she doesn't go over speed bumps she plows them down so they no longer exist

for the people behind her she's a bulldozer and she's as big as this coffee cup and I just I fell in love with her completely and it helped me fall in love with acting again the producer of that film is the producer of my next movie we really clicked he sent me a couple scripts since then

I clicked with this one. It's like a real sexy thriller. And I'm never, and the guy's a piece of shit. He's cheating on his wife with the girl who's like 10 years younger as men my age usually get caught doing. And he, and the girl dies in the first act.

And you don't know who did it. And his whole family's coming home. And he has to make a decision. And he makes a fucking horrible decision because he's a beta little bitch. When is this coming? Is this out already? No, I'm getting right. Filming in two weeks.

Oh, this is the one. It shoots local here in L.A. I see, I see. This is the one with Jamie. Jamie. Jamie, we play my wife. Holland is playing the mistress, the girl in the pool. Okay.

And we get a lot of fun flashback stuff with that. And she gets to be a corpse, which is like everybody's favorite. Right. So you just then fell just like, you read this script and you're like, yeah, I'm just in it again. I've never gotten to do this before, man. Like the Netflix one, I'd never gotten to be a dad, really, not in a movie. Yeah.

And I was so excited to show off like the 13 years. of experience I had doing that and was so proud of that film. And then this is something I've never gotten to do either. If I had my druthers, I would just make like two horror movies a year and not do anything else. But it's going to take a little bit of time because usually the ones they want me for, I don't respond to. And the ones that I want, they're not responding to me.

Yeah, but you're also in that place you said it beforehand too. You're not, it's got to be a refreshing too where you're not when you're younger, you You want to, you put your name out there. You want to make sure that you get the big roles. Now, like you said, you've got your shit going on with, with your promotion, you've got your podcast, you've got your family. You have these things that it's like, you get the job. You do things you want to do now.

Yes, very much. And WWE is a big part of that, actually. I mean, I sold my stock and basically retired. You know what I mean? So, and I didn't take salary. I took my whole salary in stock when I worked there. Yeah. And so people, if you haven't seen it, so you, you, that when you took, when you had

your gig, I guess the second time, your deal was that you got stock in the company? The first time. First time. And second time. Yeah, I just said, yeah, I'll bet on myself, bet on the company. Right. They love not paying people. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So they were, they were tickled to death. And that was in 2009. My wife made me sell it last. She was like, you're selling that show. Yeah. Yeah. Let's sell it and get some land in Hawaii. And you just do your thing. We get old and farty and can't move anymore. Just get tan and fat.

And that's it. So, and then you're able, like you said. said so we move into the like the podcast and you're able to do that because with the movie you're doing with the promotion very different from what we were just talking about where it's just I'm just gonna chill and that yeah you're busy as fuck so like we had to pre-record a lot I'm sure um tell me about let's talk let's talk about let's talk about that how did that come about because I never really I guess from your history of being in in them but I never I never knew that you were a big horror guy yeah so the first movies I ever watched were all like universal monster movies okay

And then there was this video store called Galaxy Video Next door to the Galaxy Arcade and Albuquerque, New Mexico And I would play some video games And the guy would let me rent anything Because he just wanted business, right? So he didn't care if it was rated R. He was 12 years old. He was like, yeah, watch this, watch that.

And I was seeing, you know, all kinds of crazy stuff. I was back in the 80s, man watched Robocop when I was like 11. You know what I mean? All that. That's super hot cocaine scene. I was like, wow, that looks so cool. My mom's like, what the fuck? but he started giving me horror films and instead of getting scared of the of the killer

I would root for the guy and he became like Jason became like a superhero he was my guy right right right kids are pricks and so I would get sad if they got killed at the end yeah and I loved nightmare on Elm Street when the car took out because I thought Freddy had jokes Freddie was great. So it became something that I fell in love with because it felt like the bad guys could win. And they didn't have to follow any rules. They could do whatever they wanted.

And it just got cool. And it wasn't just like the zombie slasher thing. It was everything. We just went over Fright Night, the original one. In 1985, Tom Holland, who was like the most underrated horror director of that decade, by the way. If you guys don't know who that is, he did Fright Night.

He wrote Cloak and Dagger, which was like an amazing movie with dad yeah yeah and uh thomas yeah yeah and uh he also directed and wrote child's play original child's play so this was like we just did it and it's one of my favorite films ever it's my second favorite movie poster ever um i learned about the special effects guys i mean it was just an obsession when we did i know you did last summer i was closer with the special effects guys that did the corpses than i was the cast okay his name was matthew mongle i was so jealous i didn't get to have a dead body. Then at the end of the movie, I said, hey, I'll pay for it.

Can I come in and will you do a dead head for me? And he was like, you don't have to pay for it. I was like, I will. I know it's to me. He's like, don't worry. So he was so nice. He did it. And I had it for 10 years.

And it sat on my desk in Toluca Lake. But after 10 years, that Valley Sun started to melt it. So I started to look like the toxic event. It was so cool. Or even robocoppy. It was even cooler. Yeah, exactly. But, but yeah.

So I just, I got obsessed with it. that as a kid. That and anime were like my two things and they're really the only movies I watch today are horror that I get really excited for. I mean, I saw air, but I love that movie. I would rather go see a horror movie than... Oh, okay. So then

how did you come about that you wanted to do the podcast? Yeah. You mean the question you asked? Yes. And while you do that, go on. My partner, John Lee Brody, is James Wan's protege. And he's a huge horror. Oh, you got Chuckie right there.

I should do this. Look at that. We have to hide it from his daughter. I was already doing the wrestling podcast, and John and I were sitting down, and we were watching a horror movie, and he was like, would you do another podcast? I was like, yeah, I like doing a podcast.

He goes, why aren't we doing a horror podcast? I was like, I don't know. Yeah. It was like, it's all we do is watch these movies and talk about the YouTube channel, basically. And I said, yeah. So I had spoken with these two women at Morbid who created Morbid. And they were doing like real life horror podcasts.

Like this guy killed his wife. This woman hacked up her husband. And they had some fiction stuff too, but mainly in the real stuff. And they were thinking about movies and stuff. So we had a casual conversation. Nothing came of it. And I sent him a message and said, hey, would you guys be interested in me doing a horror podcast on your network? And they were like, send us the idea.

So I sent them what we would be doing. and they loved it. And the way they do things, we produce it. We have to turn in a finished product to them every week. So I had to learn that part of the game because my other one, I have a producer. But I only hire U.S. veterans. My producers are United States Marine veteran. And does a great job.

Shout out to Alex. And yeah, man, we've been doing it there. We'd sign a four-year deal with them. Oh, shit. Yeah. And I just re-uped with IHeart for a three-year deal on my wrestling one, too. And that's on with Jeff. Yeah.

And so they're having big love. for us and I love getting to talk horror. We did David Kronenberg's video drum a couple weeks ago. Yeah. We did his son's infinity pool. We did him back to back. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I just had Cleopatra Coleman on. Oh, were. Yeah, she was right on. Not too long

ago. So yeah, that's great, man. So you, and you really, and like it seems like everything, whether it's the stuff you're, you're now acting in, the wrestling podcast, the wrestling promotion, the horror podcast. It really just seems like you're just going after shit that you love. right now. Yeah, new chapter, I guess. Yeah, man, that's cool.

Is the corny way to say it. Yeah. You know, I'm 47 years old and baby. Baby. And realizing that there's still stuff that I want to do, stuff I want to get done, it's just your motivations that change. Right. You know what I mean? Right. I think it's refreshing to hear from you to say like, yeah, well, I lived comfortably. I got what I wanted out of it and that you just raised a family and it was. Some people get mad when I say that. And you're allowed to get mad. I don't, I don't mind. Why would you just don't trip out when I don't care?

Yeah, right, right. Like, I don't know you, so the opinion can only mean so much. Right. I mean, again, it goes back to what we're talking about with the honesty of just, it's just, that's where you're at. People expect you to just work until you die, and like, why would you want to do that? Yeah, they expect a lot. Yeah, it's true.

I try to help people manage their expectations whenever they give me the opportunity. So now there's stuff like you, as we talked about where you decided that at the time when we talked, talked in 2017 that you weren't going to be going back into acting because that's not where you were in your life now another thing we talked about when you came in when you did one-on-one with me and I had asked you and this one you seemed pretty like never going to happen is there ever a world have you ever thought about getting on stage and doing stand-up no way this just that's just because I'll never walk on the same wood that man walked on but you know you're good at it right I didn't even want to go on the tonight show with Jay back in the day because it it was the stage my father's

show was shot on. So good or not? No way. No way. But do you think that he would have wanted you to do if you? Sure, he would have. He was a comic psychopath. But first of all, I'd never be as good as he was at stand-up comedy.

How do you know that? Dude, you're put together shit fucking quick. Richard Pryor said if he didn't die, he would have been the greatest comic ever. Yeah. Jerry Seinfeld said the exact same thing. Paul Reiser told me that to my face. I can't count how many stand-up comics have come up to me, not to be nice to say if he didn't die,

he would have been the greatest of all time. I only saw the one special, and I didn't know him the way these men did, and a couple women too. Elaine Boosler said the same shit. But he was great. I just don't, I didn't see it the way they saw it. To me, Richard was the best.

but when the person you say the best disagrees with you and calls your dad a motherfucker in the same sentence because Pam Greer left him for my dad but it's that's heavy so I'm not I'm never going to follow in no chance it doesn't even in by the way I don't it's and it's not a humble thing like I'm a way better actor than my dad was like I saw him try to do a drama it was called the million dollar ripop he was dog shit in that movie

so he can't act as well as me I can't execute a joke as nice as him. I understood. Yeah. I always think about that too. I was talking about that with Brad. I was just like he's because you're timing. Like you're just,

you've clearly had that thing, but it's not about that for you. It's more so about that was his, that was his arena. That was his thing. I hang out with a lot of stand-up comics. Yeah. They make you get sharp.

Yeah, yeah. Most of my friends are pro wrestlers and stand-in comedians and like three or four actors. Well, you know, and Sarah had the show with, with Robin for for a while too. Did you get a chance to kind of talk to him about your pops and all? Well, he didn't know. Yes, because I thought they would. Yeah. And so I was there, their first episode, or no, not the pilot, the episode two. Are you geeking out meeting them and stuff?

Was that the first dad? You met him before that? I never met him. Okay, okay. And I was really excited, because I thought he would have known my dad. Yeah. And so that was the first thing I was going to say to him, was like, oh, you know, did you ever meet my father? Before I can even say that, he goes, you know, I never knew your father. I would love to talk to you. Yeah. I want to get to know. And I was just like, oh okay and so we sat in his trailer and he had a Nintendo what was the one that was

Okarina of Time whichever Nintendo played Zelda's 60 so he had a Nintendo 64 with with Okerina of Time which he goes I all I do is play this my favorite game ever which is cool party on man and we sat down

and he just asked me like a million questions about my father who he was friends with who he hung out with that I know any of his jokes all this stuff. And then we just started talking about comedy clubs and the owners that he hated and the owners that he loved. Because I knew all of them too.

They would let me in the clubs at 12, 13, 14 years old and they would have to clear out the bathroom from all like the actors and musicians doing cocaine on the counter so that a 13 year old could come in and take a leak. So, you know, it was, they were crazy days back then.

But Robin was really cool. I wish, man, I wish I could have got to know him better. Yeah. It was just that it was probably about a three-month stretch. And then we were going to, I was going to cook. I like to cook. And I was going to cook a dinner for him and his new wife. And like three weeks later, we found out.

So only celebrity to this day that I've ever teared up. My wife was broke. I'm sure. I'm sure. And she just fell in love with the man. I'm sure. It just broke her. Even my daughter called him Uncle Robin.

Yeah. And it was a short time period, but he still had such an impact on her. Yeah. And such an infectious energy that when that energy is taken away from me, you feel a loss. It was crazy. Did you, so one of my good buddies is Jamie Costa,

who, I don't know if you saw his video, Robin, and, oh, dude, it was, I don't see anything. Unless you send it to me.

So the video went viral of him, and, and, he, I mean, he doesn't do an impression of Robin. He becomes Robin. Impression is the do

that are hard for me to watch sometimes. Yeah. Because it's almost too good, and it feels like they're possessed by the person. That's the thing. This is not an impression to me.

This is a possession. Yeah. When I hosted Dana Carvey show, that first impression show, it was a contest for impressionists, and I never had been more uncomfortable in my life. Because they're so, you're just like, you're just like, you know. But I think there's a difference between like the impression and then it's something about like, it's fucking crowd. When they become the person.

I know a couple of it. Trust me. Yeah. You feel the same way. Yeah. And just be like, what the. So he did a scene and they shot this scene. My buddy, Jake Lewis, like, directed it.

And it was him and Pam Greer, when he finds out Belushi died. And it's that moment that turned his whole fucking life around because he was spiraling out of control during more community. And it went viral. And like everybody started, like people were going nuts about it. And then there was Robin's kids saw. And people were tweeting at his kids. Like, and she's like, I love Jamie.

And I think Jamie does a great job. She's like, but stop sending this to me. That's painful. It's a different world. It is. It's crazy. Social media. You're so dehumanized when there's no face-to-face

that unfortunately you have to expect that. And you have to expect it at any time. And I hate saying that. And I wish I could show more sympathy because it sucks. But I've seen it a million times with my own stuff. You know what I mean? Like a million times. People going out of their way trying to hurt me to remind me about my dad.

I get about my brother all the time. I'm like, I'm a grown-ass man. You can't. Like, look at you're just showing your ass, man. But people get really upset by it. It's just depending on your personality type. How do you teach your kids, though? Because, like, my, so my, I have an 11-year-old.

You prepare, you don't teach. Yeah, yeah. Because the way you teach might not click with them. Right. Right. Like, that's the, the shit that I connect with my daughter on, I don't connect with my son at all. Right. There are lessons that I can teach my daughter that I simply cannot teach my boy.

Right. And same with Sarah. So all you can do is prepare. Like, teaching is experience. Oh, I've actually gone through this. Yeah. Let me show you what I did. the unknown, the void, is just preparation.

And you can only prepare someone so much. And even when it hits him, it's going to be, it's like having a baby. You can be prepared, but it's still going to slap the shit out of me. It still slap the shit. Yeah, well, that was the thing we went through with my 11-year-old is the most, like, just innocent human being in the, I mean, she's just full of, I mean, Vivian, it just means full of life, you know what I mean?

So she had kind of stumbled upon this website, and she was on this website, and she was on her for a bit. and like and she was even kind of sneaking it and stuff too and then she it just like stuff that like terminologies and things that 11 year old just shouldn't know yeah but she of course it does and she brought these things up to me and she was talking to me and she felt miserable about it and I told my wife I'm like yeah it sucks that she stumbled upon it but she's teaching herself a lesson and she came to talk to you yes and you're doing the right thing you are preparing them for that kind of stuff because then they come and speak feel comfortable yeah it's not like a Catholic

confessional where she's like shit going in and coming out she's like she's no she wasn't scared to approach yeah exactly yeah that's all you can do man all these parents these days just try to like fix everything right away and protect their kids from every little thing they call them steamroller parents yeah is the term of her and it's just like you know when your kid falls down they're gonna get up right you don't have to run over there like they're gonna get they're gonna get up yeah so rocky rocky balboa quote my son's name's rocky you know what I mean like I make that boy have to be tough. Yeah.

He plays flag football. And if he goes down, you'll see people like go to get out. I'm like, he's not even your kid. Sit down. He'll get up. He's crying. I know he's crying. He's going to be all right.

You know, and then he's fine and loves that he goes, Dad, I had the best game of my life. I'm like, that's right. You did, bro. That's awesome. Yeah, man. And he's a little dude. So when he does well in football,

I guess all these big kids, it's like a big deal to him. But if he bounces out, it's flag football. But if they make contact, my boy's losing. Yeah. He bounces off of him like a pinball. So he's going to get hurt. Yeah, that's the way it goes.

Dude, it's so, it was great to have you in here. Yeah, man, it's always a pleasure. I'm about how we can make it happen. Yeah, we got to do it again for sure. Next time, you know what? And after here you said to Brett, you know what? I should have done. Although I was when I was sick,

I should have hit you and Jeff off of a WrestleMania when I was here this year. I know. I know, I should have went with you. We had a good group, man. I saw the pictures. I was jealous. We were hanging with his love.

lovely wife, Maurice. Yeah. Well, next time they're in town. Yeah, man. Like, you gotta come. I will. Bliss was there. Barron Corbin was there.

That's awesome. You love Baron Corbin, dude. Is he cool? He's the coolest, dude. And he can act. Oh, yeah. If they knew how to write for him, he can act.

I think when his wrestling days are done, he'll find his way to California and become a six-foot-six giant monster. Yeah. I guess that's my last question before you, when we go back, jump back to wrestling. Because, so the MJF stuff that happened when he, when he was going to, kind of going off on you in the in the crowd.

Do you guys meet up beforehand or do you and I know he was going to do that? Or is that the whole, you guys kind of set that up or how did that work? You don't want to say anything. Yeah. You don't have to say anything. Well, I paused, so now everyone knows. You know, I don't like breaking, breaking guys' storylines. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, he texted to see if it was cool. McCauley was actually going to come and he was going to shit on McCulley to that night, which would have been the best. Yeah. They nailed Can't be. and then he nailed me, but if it would have cut to McCauley, because he would have saved McCauley for last, because McColley's a far bigger star than the two of us

just from one movie. And then gone in on the dude from home alone, it would have been gay. I was so bummed when I had to tell him Mack wasn't coming to show, because he would have just eviscerated it. He's something else, man, that guy. It's funny. When he first hit the scene, and again, like I said,

I was kind of casually kind of looking in, there was something that he did with some kid, and I was like, I don't know. crossed over, maybe crossed over the line, but I started thinking about it a little bit more, and I'm like, this guy's playing to the audience the way like chic and like Volkov did back in the day. And artists must be given latitude to make mistakes,

even though I don't think it was a mistake. They have to be allowed to go a little too far, and he'll know, he knows what his job is. If he goes too far, you haven't seen him do it again. Right. Like he learned, he's going to push it as far as he can stand-up comedy, stand-up comics require more latitude than modern society is willing to give.

Modern society is incorrect, and that's just the way it goes. And you can get mad, that's okay. Again, I don't care. I'm just letting you know you're on the wrong side of this. Artists need to be able to make mistakes. Artists need to be able to regret things they've done. They have to be able to paint a painting

that you may find offensive, make a film that you might find offensive. A wrestler does something to a kid that you're like, yo, man, you cross the line. You're right on all accounts. But they still have to be allowed to make those choices and evolve. It's not a 9 to 5 job. There has to be constant evolution.

It's a river, not a lake when you're an artist. You're not just sitting in a boat waiting for a fish to bite. A river is a live, active, moving thing that sometimes kills people and sometimes brings life. But it's not going to stop moving. You know, when I see people get mad at comics and see people, unless there's malice behind it, then you're completely entitled to those feelings. But when the goal is to make you laugh or make you entertained, Jeff Dye says it best. I'm sorry the way I tried to make you smile. Right, yeah, right.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, 100%. So two seconds and my three-minute diatribe and way more. No, but no, you're right. But he says it best. I'm sorry the way I tried to entertain you made you upset. Well, he moves.

He does certain things. I saw Flair kind of shooting on him at 1.2 because when he did the, you know, I thought maybe it was a little bit over the top two when he maybe threw the drinking the kids. But like you said, he's evolving. He's doing different things. He hasn't done it twice.

Right. And if he does, the next time, it'll be a plant. Right. So, he's too smart? Who's the, who's the, I'm going to ask two different industries here, both wrestling and stand-up. So it'll give you time to kind of think on it. But wrestling as far as, who's the best,

right now if you're if you're running one of the big like the AW or WWE right now and you can have one person to get asses and seats to be your person to hold that title in in the whole thing if you can if they can get MJF is it MJF who who's the who's the person right now either MJF or bray yeah I haven't liked any of the bray stuff since he came back but he's still the the final attraction in wrestling yeah he's the only guy left that is an attraction, not a wrestler. Why can't they figure out what to do with him? I don't know.

Sometimes you just don't click with a writer, and the story just doesn't play. But I heard he has a new one now, so hopefully something happens, man. Is MJF ever go to WWE, you think? I wouldn't if I were him. He's got such a great thing at AEW. Tony can match anything they're going to offer,

and he's in charge of his stories. The moment you go there, you are no longer in charge of your stories. And the worst thing in the world would be to see MJF in WWE and only win the United States championship. You'd be handcuffs. Instead of being a world champion. You know, if it was a stepping stone to the way to the destination and the world champion at the end, then cool. That would have to be in writing if I was MJF.

It would have to be in an ironclad contract. I will be world champion to WrestleMania's for now. And if they don't do that, I wouldn't go. Because he has the keys to the castle at AWW. I know you say that, you know, because it's always the conversation of whether it's prior or Carlin or back, you know, in the day, right? You're right. For me, prior Carlin, Bill Hicks, those are all my guys, right? Those are the guys that when people ask me, my inspiration's coming up as a comic, that was those are the guys.

Today is that I would put like Chappelle and Burr in there. Those are the guys, right? Yeah. Yeah. They're the two top dogs. Yeah. You're not even going to mention me. I mean, you're talking wrestling?

Wrestling? You got issues. But you did the handtrip. He does the whole thing. I mean, I've known Sebastian for so damn long. He's hilarious too. But yeah, but those... He is.

But as far as like what they've accomplished and how they're received, Dave Chappelle and Bill Burr have done more. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, you know what it was? I saw that Carlin documentary that Appetow did, right? And Burr said it. he was watching because Carlin went through so many different iterations.

You were just talking about MJF and things you learn. You got angrier and angrier. Angry and angry, but also went from saying, in his own words, nothing to something, right? And whether it being the hippie-dippy weatherman and then moving on over to start really diving in and doing things. And even when he was doing his observational, Carlin and Carnegie and all that, like, it's switched.

It's the best. It's the one that really... I actually have the album. Do you have the actual... It's not on Spotify. Oh, yeah. or whatever you did you know i collect comedy albums oh that's fucking great dude yeah so he he was i mean that um that in general but that watching burr talk about that to me i'll watch burr sometimes

and i'll be and i'm not necessarily like in hysterics but i'm going that is just so fucking yeah really he can mind blow you with it with a joke where the w-nba stuff you don't even know you're supposed to laugh right you're just like oh my god that's so he just dead fired on everybody and everyone took the bullet. And since people get mad on both sides with Bill Burr, he has total freedom. He has no fear. Because he doesn't have to cater to either side.

He shits on everybody. He really does. In that sort of Boston, let me tell you why I hate you sort of way. And he's just a stone killer with it. And he's super cerebral with it, with it too. And he'll shit on himself oftentimes before you can and call himself an idiot. But yeah, but yeah, I mean, those two guys are top dogs. There's a lot of young, young gunners that I really love.

Who's somebody that people should be listening to up-and-comers? Chris DeStefano, Kelsey Cook, what's that Mexican kids' name? The kid that had beef with George Lopez. Oh, right, right. I saw the podcast where he's talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the Lopez called him or something, too, right? He apologized because he was being a dick.

Right, right. But yeah, he's Ralph Barbosa. That's his name. I follow him on Instagram. I find a lot of people like that through. That's the one thing I found, good for us for stand-up comedy. Yeah.

There's all these like holes that you go down and you're like, oh my God, what did you? Like Chloe Hillard, I had no idea who she was. She did a joke on incels and how it's girls' faults that they go and they shoot up schools and like the joke is so good. She's like, oh, man, I should have let him touch my pussy. I should have let him sniff my butt. And just this whole bit that she does, I'm sorry for ruining your joke and doing a bad

impression but I love you. But yeah, man, it was that one joke and I was just like floored by it. Followed her, found out she's a writer, writes for all these other shows. Yeah, it's crazy. Of course she does. She's freaking talented. It's crazy how social media. I mean, shit, you and I know each other. So it's crazy how that can, from all the bad shit it does.

And I even saying, I still hope Twitter goes away tomorrow. I hate it so much. They're all bad, but they're bad because of people. Not because of the apps. Right. People are what's bad with the world. Right. Like, just you got to be more.

self-disciplined. You have to understand there's a world outside your bubble and everything you do is going to affect the people around you. And a lot of people simply don't give a fuck about that. They know it's true. They just don't care because social media is given this beautiful anonymity

from people getting smacked. When I was a kid, if I said the wrong thing to the wrong cat, smacked. So Tyson said that Tyson's like, yes, people got really tough on social media. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And Absolutely. But it's not even tough. Like the female stuff, the character assassination.

Right, right. They're not, you know, calling you a bitch. They're trying to, like, destroy your reputation and stuff like that. And just trying to kill each other. It's supposed to be about empower me. It's supposed to go to the other direction. Right. It should be all love, but it never will be because people are screwed up.

Yeah. It's unfortunate. But it is what it is. But what is fortunate is that we finally had an opportunity to sit down and talk for a little bit. And I'm glad that we did and I'm looking forward to doing it again, man. Appreciate you guys. Let them know, though, exactly. They want to find your shows and everything.

Sure. That was pretty scary. If you're a part of Amazon music, you get the episodes a week early. If you're not, you get it everywhere else a week later. You can listen to my wrestling podcast, which is wrestling with Freddie. That's from IHeart Radio, but you can also listen to that everywhere. I don't know any of my social media handles. My wife said all that crap.

So you'll find me somewhere with a checkmark. I don't have Twitter. I only have Instagram. Do you get rid of Twitter? Yeah, man. too many people that I love and respect were just bitching into this digital void and I was losing respect for people that

I love. You're shocked. Nothing changed since your hashtag existed for 24 hours. Like a hashtag's never accomplished fucking anything. It's the laziest form of activism in the world. I did something. You didn't do fuck all. And they would like

be mad at me for saying that. And so I didn't want them to get mad so I just left. I wasn't mad at Elon or check No, I know she's saying. You just needed to... A lot of people I love would say crazy shit. You're just done with it. And look, I'd be honestly,

I had it like for me with promotion and everything, it's really the only reason I have it. Like with... Look, if I was an up-and-comer and trying to get people to see my movie and get my name out there, then I totally get it. Yeah.

Just, I was fortunate enough to make my bones before that stuff existed. And I'm fortunate enough to not necessarily need it now. I'm sure somebody will go, oh, it really helps. And you're probably right, but I don't want that. I understand. understand it and you don't necessarily need it.

No, you never know. Yeah, you never know. But thanks again and for you guys. And don't forget put those comments in there and I will go through them. And once we hit 2000, we're going to get Freddie is, look, look at that. We're going to have a signed copy here. Sign up for you. We're going to do that. It'll be signed in a moment and we'll be putting that out there. So make sure you throw the comment

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