The Kristian Harloff Show - GhostBusters Frozen Empire wins the box office. Why so much hate for the film?!

Episode Date: March 25, 2024

PATREON:http://www.Patreon.com/TheBigThingShow Ghostbusters Frozen Empire is the fourth movie in the canon of the 1984 Ghostbusters lore. It took the top spot at the box office. The critic response was low and a big debate on the film began online. Why so much discourse for this one? Dune 2 looks to end its run in the 7-750M range. Tons of trailers last week, the new Roadhouse dropped, 3Body Problem is popular on Netflix. This and more on today's LIVE episode of The Big Thing with Kristian and John Rocha.#ghostbusters #frozenempire #dune #dune2 #marvel #mcu #roadhouse #review #ghost OUR SPONSORS: MIRACLE BRAND: Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to http://www.TryMiracle.com/BigThing and use the code BIGTHING to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF. Again, that's http://www.TryMiracle.com/BigThing to treat yourself. Thank you Miracle Made for sponsoring this episode! AG1: http://www.DrinkAG1.com/BIGTHING ROCKET MONEY: Stop wasting money on things you don't use. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to http://www.RocketMoney.com/BIGTHING. MAGIC SPOON: Go to http://www.magicspoon.com/BIGTHING to grab a variety pack and try it today! And be sure to use our promo code BIGTHING at checkout to save five dollars off your order! ZBIOTICS: Go to http://www.zbiotics.com/BIGTHING to get 15% off your first order when you use BIGTHING at checkout. ZBiotics is backed with 100% money back guarantee so if you're unsatisfied for any reason, they'll refund your money, no questions asked. ROCHA CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/@JohnRochaSays Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-... FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls... SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTri...

Look at what a turn that was. What's up, everybody. Welcome back to the big thing. It's live. We are live. Every Monday, myself and John Rook, we do a live show here for you guys. You can find us on the podcast feed. You can watch us live on YouTube every single Monday.

And today, there's a lot to talk about, man. As you saw in the thumbnail, Ghostbusters, Frozen Empire. It's the number one movie of the weekend. And I'll be honest, I was shocked with how much. discourse this movie had and it wasn't just a lot of the the critics predictable that was predictable for me the the the normal critics i think that were just kind of like you know nose up in the air of like this is not the ghost busters that i know and it's i don't it was it was it was silly that side of it but i was surprised how many um fans i saw uh that didn't enjoy it i thought it was

i thought it was a blast is it messy yeah it's a blast though i had a fun with time with it and and And I saw it with my 12 year old who loved it. That is definitely going to sway me. But I had an overall good time with it, but we'll discuss it. I haven't really talked to John about it, about what his thoughts are. And John's always been very vocal on, you know, the critic's side of it, like going, the critics going after other people if they don't like it. So I'm curious to see what he thinks about this whole stink fest. Not the movie, the idea that these people are doing what they're doing.

The other side of it. What else is there? Oh, Jurassic World, the new one, Gareth Edwards one. Well, Jeff Snyder, I broke a while ago that Scarlet-Jahenson was in talks. It looks like that's heating up, and it looks like she has an official offer. So once again, it looks like Snyder was correct the Mundo.

There's a lot of other things that we got to talk about here today, guys. There's this Marvel, this zombie show that I didn't think was, I thought it was going to be one of the ones that got cut. It doesn't look like it. It looks like it's going to be a TV M-14, whatever the hell the rating is. Speaking of Marvel, and more adult type things. I guess, I guess, uh, acolyte, which again, John and I haven't really talked about it.

But there's a lot of talk about some people thought it was going to be very volume heavy. And I had heard that it wasn't. I heard it's going to be practical. Apparently, Corrason is going to be practical. I don't believe we've ever had a practical curse on at least. Uh, well, what else? Dune. Uh, I hate to tell this to John, but I don't hate to tell this to John.

I was right. Um, it's not going to hit billion. But it is going to go between 750 and 850, which is great for that film. So that's so much to talk about a ready guy. And then obviously, we're going to take all your questions. And what we do is we ask you guys, and you already started piling in the superchats. And we do all of the topics. And at the end, we answer all your questions.

So make sure throughout the show, anything you want to ask. And it can be, obviously, about TV, movies, whatever you want to talk about. You throw that in there. Speaking of TV, I also watched the first episode of Three Body Problem last night. So I don't know if John's seen that yet, but I'll talk that. I'll talk about that as well. And that's it. So hit the button.

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It's John Roka. It's the big thing. Here we go. Hello, everybody. Welcome back once again to The Big Thing. Thanks for joining me here today. I am joined, as always, by my co-host on Mondays. John Roku, what's up, Joe?

What's up, brother, man? That was the weekend. It was good. It was busy. Yeah. Yeah, we had some stuff we had to handle, and we handled it. The garage is nice and clean now. I had to sit down and do that.

Finally bought some new shelving systems out of Home Depot and organized. So she now has her side of the garage and I have my side of the garage and near the Twain shall meet. And we're very happy with that kind of separation. But yeah. And then, you know, watch the. bunch of movies. I have not started three body problems. So we'll talk about that. I know eventually. But yeah, a good weekend overall and enjoyed the tournament as well, the March badness, which I

said. There's a lot going on this weekend for sure. And I was talking about a lot going on. I mean, you guys can jump in with the fact all these trailers that dropped. I was in New York. I was there from my left on Wednesday morning. I got in Wednesday night. I shot one video that I had to shoot for the other channel. And then all these trailers dropped. You had the beautiful Juice trailer dropped, the House of the Dragon, the Alien ones. All this. I missed, I missed all of them. I tried to do a House of the Dragon trailer reaction yesterday.

It a big pile of shit. Took it off the channel. And then people like, there's two trailers. And I was like, well, the first one ate a big pile of shit. I ain't put in a second piece. I knew it. And I knew Beatlejuice was going to do well. And I really wanted to see it.

And I did wind up watching it anyway. So I couldn't have done a reaction to it. It wouldn't have been authentic. So I was like, okay. But I knew that one would have to do well. But were you surprised at how many trailers dropped last week? Yeah, it was really interesting. Just kind of a signal that we are, did you enjoy January and February and the slow pace?

We are, I mean, we are now like fully diving into the summer season. All this stuff is getting prepped. So it seems to me like the studios are already ready and they have a lot of content. And it's kind of front loaded, though, isn't it? Because this year, because of the strikes and all, there's not going to be that much. There's going to be some big movies coming. There's not going to be that much. So I think they're trying to front load to get people excited about the stuff that is coming.

out. So they're teasing it all so early in the process because Beatlejuice is not until September. So the fact that they're pushing it or already promoting it just lets me know the studios want to start getting in people's minds to start putting these sideposts in the ground for their future. Agreed, but it also means they have confidence in it. Yeah, 100%. If you put a trailer out that far in advance, it means they have because it was a good, it was a good trailer. It was a good little and and the beauty. of it is that like even though

I mean he was great in the flash Michael Keaton but when he was in the jet and he had the Batman makeup on you could tell this is a 68 70 year old memory you can tell him playing Batman you can't tell him Beetlejuice too much makeup which I like and I like the I like the juice is loose

I like the you know they didn't spend too much time with Jenna just introduced her and then she clearly is the one that kind of opens the portal for Beatles just to come out and went on a writer's face just perfect that mixture of horror and fascination that she's always had about Beetleju. So I think the trailer accomplished

we were supposed to accomplish, and of course, the death of Jeffrey Jones, which they were not ever going to bring back to the movie. So it makes sense on so many levels. Made sense that they were going to kill him. And then I would assume, I think that Gina Davis will make a cameo. You think so?

I think so. I don't think she had to be falling out with Tim Burton. There's no world that Alec Baldwin makes a cameo, but I think that I think that Gina Davis could make a cameo. Yeah. It seems like from the pictures they released that Justin Thoreau is going to play like the auto type character because that actor passed away a few years ago. Yeah. So I think that would make a lot of sense to bring him in as such. But it's kind of funny that we have a resurgence for Winona, resurgence for Catherine O'Hara and resurgence for Michael Keaton all around the same time to bring, you know, with Stranger Things for Winona, to bring them all back together to do the sea. And Burton, too, with Wednesday. So I think it's just so good to see that kind of stuff happen, you know.

I think Wednesday is the best thing he's done in years. 100% agree. And I think, yeah, and then having having her with him on that and then like you said, the reassertance of all these different actors in there and the land because Keaton's been the last, I guess, it's like Birdman and, and yeah, so we've got, you've got, you've got this, this legendary crew and a legendary film. And this movie dude has been in the works for at least 10 years, at least. So, I mean, I remember I talked about it like the last time we spoke, but we've wrote this story on shmows know.com when that was the thing, 10 years ago. So I'm excited to see that one.

It's on my most anticipated. But the other one's House of the Dragon, which I really liked that. I didn't see the green trailer. I just watched one. I don't need to. I don't need to now. So if I watched the first one, saw everybody do in the comments, then I noticed how bad it did on the channel.

I was like, out, out you go. And then I, but I can't wait to see the actual show. It's favorites, but did you dig it? Oh, yeah. I loved both of the trailers. and I thought it was really smart because the season is going to be a Civil War season in essence. So you want to showcase the points of views from both sides because the fandom was split. Some people are on Hightower side.

So the fact that you've got a good fandom that is split between both showcasing both in two different trailers to satisfy that section of the fandom. And of course, the other side as well, I think was really smart. And the way they put out, it looks like it's going to be a fucking crazy-ass season. So I'm looking for it. I can't wait. I can't wait. I love that they focus in on just this family. The Game of Thrones is great,

and there was so many different things happening, but this is like one storyline, really. So I'm really digging what they did in the first season, excited for season two. The other one I didn't watch was the alien one. Was it good? Oh, the Romulus one? Yeah, that was really good.

I liked it because it kind of feels like it's going back to the 19th, 9-19-1, the one from Ridley-Scott. And it's got, like, you know, you see the blood, you see the face-huggers. And it's great to see this new blood involved in it with Kaylee Spaney and Isabella Merced. But just overall, the vibe of it was a lot darker than we've seen from anything from Ridley. So to me, this gets me excited. Plus, I like him as a director.

So let's see what he's going to bring to the table. Good. Yeah, I'm glad to hear that because I heard of the practical stuff. And it is this thing that we've just kind of beaten the drum on of going back to the old school style of filmmaking, lower budgets, make it what, you know, a lot of these movies. that hit gold with like the Terminator and then when they were able to get bigger budgets, even though the second one is beloved, then they just started falling into that trap of all this money, all this money, make more money, put more money into it and it deludes it, I think. So by doing this with Alien, if that's like I said, I haven't seen it yet, but going off

for what you're saying, I think it's a smart plan. I think it's the way to go. So I'm excited. I'm excited to see it. And it's set between the two, between Alien and Aliens. So you're still kind of, although it's they're saying it's an insular story, you can still argue there'll be shades of stuff that we've seen in the first alien and shades of stuff we would see in the timeline in aliens

that'll probably make its way into this movie as kind of a wink or nod to the fans. Yeah, like I said, I trust Fetty. I think he's got the right point of view on that trailer. He just did the last evil dead one too, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I thought was pretty good. So his style worked

again, they could have gone so too much budget with it. And they didn't. They made it like, you know, it's inside of the freaking building the whole entire time. And the essence of like, what a horror movie could be. So I thought that, I thought that worked well. All right, let's get to the main topic here because I was so confused by all this, this past week. Goctusters 2, or I should say 4, inside of the cannon itself made a total of 45 million over the weekend with June 2 coming in second.

him 17 overtakes Kung Fu Panda 4, which is at 16.8, Immaculate at 4, and then Arthur the King coming in at 5. But Ghostbusters Frozen Empire, I'm going to check right now. I want to see what it has on. I'm going to look at both the Rotten Tomatoes critics score, and then I'm going to look at the audience score. So from critics, 42% audience 85. This is one of those things. I don't really get into it on Twitter, and I didn't at all watching this stuff, but I was getting ill watching some of these people, critics and people that we know.

Like, people who didn't even see the movie. It's bad. I talked to people and said, it's bad, so it's bad. And anyone else who likes it, you're wrong. And it's like, what do you talk? You didn't even see it. What are we talking about? I'm like, the movie to me,

and I want to hear your thoughts on it, because I haven't heard you got it on it, the movie. The movie, to me, it had a lot of holes that had a lot of issues but it was fun and it felt like an old school summer movie and i thought that the that mckenna grace is still as endearing as she was in in the first one um there was some funny lines there was some on the nose kind of nostalgia lines there was but they played with it in the way that in like because in the trailer with paul rod when he's

singing the busting makes me feel you know i'm thankful that they did that they didn't there's a longer bit that's attached to it yeah yeah yeah yeah which I thought played, he played with it so well. He played with it. They played with the fact that it was so popular in the 80s. I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed the movie and I didn't really understand how many people were, you know, I thought PJ Camp, I saw him tweet about it, which I agreed with him.

It felt like an episode of the animated show. Sure. Yeah. And so what did you feel about the movie? Yeah, I enjoyed the film for what it was. And I agree with you. There's narrative issues. I think it's got too many characters.

I think it's slightly overlaught. long, but I also think they understood where their strengths are, right? McKenna Grace, Paul Rudd, and Dan Aykloid. That was their strengths and respectively in each of them. And I think they worked that really well. I enjoyed the bit, I'm not going to spoil anything, but I enjoyed the bit with her friend that shows up. I really liked that for McKenna. That was a nice way to kind of flesh out a little bit more with her and her character, what was going on. I like the design of the villain. I thought a little slender man approach was a kind of interesting way to approach. I saw a lot people criticizing that oh it all happens in the a lot of it happens in the firehouse and i'm like yeah because

they're not going to spend a shit ton of money they're going to keep it tight they're going to right places you know right and make it work uh and i liked it and i liked that dan was a bigger part of this this time around in the last uh afterlife and so to me overall i enjoyed the movie doesn't have false yes doesn't have issues yes but you could go wrong and with many other choices than this movie you go on a saturday afternoon as you said with your daughter or with your family and you'll enjoy the film. But if you're going to like, I need this to be hashtag not my Ghostbusters, then I guess you might not like it. But you know, what are you going to get? You're not going to get this. We just mentioned Terminator. Yeah. You compare the and again, I'm talking

by canonical. And I know that there's five overall Ghostbusters, but four Canon Ghostbusters. And you compare them to what, how other, other, other franchises lost their way. This movie still keeps the essence of what the Ghostbusters is. I see people in the comments saying, I like the afterlife better, and I probably agree with you. I think Afterlife had a better emotional hook. Overall, I think that

the understanding of not only the relationship between Egon and his daughter, and the relationship with ultimately with his granddaughter, I think that they played that better. I thought that the relationship and the character build in Afterlife was significantly better. But for a sequel and for a movie that's just like,

I felt like I was at, in 19, 96 watching a movie in the summer like this one this would have come out in July in 1996 100% yeah 100% and it felt like that at old school way of of watching blockbusters and I and I it felt refreshing to see even though it's a it's a it's a familiar IP it just felt like okay it's not a superhero movie it's not a something I've seen a million times over it's not the same beats it's like yeah it was it was familiar but it was but it was fun and it was something I could see with my daughter and she and I looked at it and she and she looked up at one point she was I love this movie and I was like great that's exactly great and so I just it was less about

and I understand people were like I had problems with the movie I didn't think it was that great I had no problem with that yeah sure but this thing on Twitter man and like I couldn't tell all these people saying how like this going after and and it wasn't this wasn't just the fan stuff the normal kind of fan hatred stuff in the way you saw with I guess like the acolyte and stuff that came out these are critics and and I was like get over yourself yeah over yourself it was so boring it was so boring this is the kind of stuff that I agree with you see Christian it's so boring and this is the kind of stuff that gets frustrating because yeah this is what leads to this battle between critics and fans right that there are those critics who seem to relish destroying a movie right and

seem to dial into they're not only getting it retweeted yeah yeah yeah and yeah Yeah, they're trying to get engagement, trying to get paid off of Twitter and what have you. And so they're the kind of people that do this kinds of things. And it does get frustrating. Like people, I saw people putting this in the same category with Madam Webb. And I'm like, you're out of your fucking minds. Like, it's not even remotely. No.

What? Madam Webb. Yeah, so I was going to put like three worst films of the last 10 years. And I was like, what is wrong with you, motherfuckers? We used to be able to go to a film and enjoy it and just enjoy it. And if you're going to the film with this whole like, this better be an A24 type level type. then you're completely in the wrong mindset of it all. Again, if you didn't like it,

I get if you didn't enjoy some of the humor, or like I said, it was overstuffed. As Christian and I said, some of the narrative stuff didn't work for you. Because in the middle, it does get a bit muddled. But overall,

it's just a fun film trying to entertain you. And I think when you're judging it from that perspective, I don't understand the vitriol. Somebody mistakenly, again, wrongly in the comment section. It sounds like you guys are just mad they don't have the same opinion. You're wrong. That's the exact opposite of what we're saying.

What we're saying is that it's that if it, because if people don't like a movie, that's your opinion. And I saw people in here going, I didn't really like it too much. I gave it 10. Okay. I didn't, I didn't like it. I didn't think it was a great movie.

It's the, it's the definitive because you like it, you're watching film wrong opinion. That's, that's the thing that, that you should be upset with too. Because if, if,

if you're like, well, I didn't like it. I thought it was a 40, well, you're wrong because it's a good movie. That's, That's the wrong opinion. So I don't know what should.

Maybe you might have commented on the wrong video. So you should check it. Sometimes that happens. You might have commented on the wrong video. But yeah, but it's when someone definitively either saying, I liked it and because you don't like it, you're wrong.

It's fun. You should like it. No. What we're saying is don't tell me that because I like it, that I'm wrong. And that's what a lot of these critics were doing in the way that they're insinuating that if you like it, then you don't watch film the right way.

you didn't understand the essence of the 1984 movie. It's like, get over yourself. Some critics can't separate their fandom from analysis. And it gets frustrating when you see that sometimes. It's like, because they're like, well, this didn't meet what I grew up loving and blah, blah, blah. But I saw so many people taking pictures of like fathers and daughters and mothers all dressed up and sons all dressed up in their Ghostbusters gear going to see the movies. Like that is that is what it's all about. And I think sometimes critics, and because everyone now, I mean,

I mean, letterbox has made everybody a critic. So now everybody thinks that they can just chime in with this without the proper amount of training of analysis and understanding the separation between fandom and your analysis. And there's a way to do it without sounding like you want to destroy and set the film a fire. Extra bullshit that I think Christian and I are pissed off with it. Yeah. And it's like because this overall, this movie has like 85% on the fans. So fans are enjoying it. So it's more so, like I said, it was the discourse that was going on with the, it's like you can't, you can't complain about when you're a critic about people saying certain, oh, they don't take a serious. They don't do this. When you, when you're putting your nose up in the air, it's like, I always say, look, you might, I'm very aware. There are people who are probably going to hate this movie and not like this movie. And that's fine. Just don't tell me that because myself and my daughter liked it, that we're wrong and we don't understand film. It's like, we don't watch film with your eyes.

I watched them through mine. Watch them through my daughter's eye. You know, I can watch her watching them and I go, oh, that's how I felt as a kid. And that's the type of stuff. It just drives me nuts on, like, when you see this stuff of just like, well, I saw somebody who saw it and they didn't like it. So that's probably I'm not going to like it then. It's like, that's how you judge movies?

I'm like, why am I going to listen to you then? Yeah. Because it's like, because you wanted to dislike it or you think that it's because, you know, it's the system. and the system's making another sequel, so the system is bad. So now I have to tweet out because I am against and I buck against the system.

And it's just so boring. It's just so boring. Anyway, what do you guys think overall? I see a lot of people putting in those super chats for Ghostbusters. So we will get to it. I promise you that. No problem at all. All the questions that are coming in,

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It is somewhere, somewhere. I can't find it. So maybe I was lying. Oh, no, there it is. Okay. The remake, Doug Lyman, and Jake Gyllenhaal, Conner McGregor. Do you know the actress's name? Yeah, Danielle Amateur.

She's in the Suicide Squad, the Rat Girl with a... Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. And so this was the remake that everybody was buzzing about based off the classic 1980s Patrick Swayze film. So when this trailer came out,

it looked, it looked fun, right? It looked fun. This movie was fine. It was fine. It was messy. It was fine, but it had my brother,

my brother broke my heart yesterday because he wrote me and he's just like, I watched the original and it, he's like, the original is four out of ten. I know, you're crazy person. But it's a 1980s. If you watch it now,

and it's such an 80s film. And it's, Of course, it's ridiculous, the original. It's like every bouncer knows about, well, you know, that is. It's Wade Garrett from like 3,500 miles away, and they know who he is, you know, from, from, like they're professional athletes. But that was the fun of it, right? I thought this, they took different spin on it.

Gillen Hall was fantastic. Yeah. Great. I like the kind of different spin that they gave to Dalton. But there's just a couple things that they did that doesn't make a lot of sense, right? And then I guess for it's if you don't know the roadhouse story, then this might be a little bit of a spoiler. So you might want to jump off for a second. Because I'm going to, I got to talk about this real quick.

So I'm just giving a fear warning. If you haven't seen any of the roadhouses, it's the same thing. So you've been warned. I think you'll be fine. But go ahead. I just like to warn people. Just like that's like, so in the original movie, he's haunted by the fact that he, you ripped the guy's throat out and he killed somebody. And there was a reason why because and Sam and Sam and Sam,

Sam Elliott tells him, he goes, that woman didn't tell you she had a boyfriend, and then that guy pulled a gun on you. So when someone pulls a gun, F you, and then the second guy, he rips his throw out, he had a gun. And then because of it, Dalton's got to go on this spree and go kill people. Jake Gillanolol becomes a serial killer in this movie. Like, he's, he first of all, he kills his friend in the ring for why we don't even know. We still don't know why he killed his friend in the ring. And it wasn't because of anything except he just got mad at him. and then he just starts literally murdering people.

And I think like knocking police officers out unless it was brutal movie for sure. And then and Connor McGregor is a cartoon in this film. Oh my God. Full cartoon. So what did you think in the movie? Yeah. The other guy didn't tell you had a boyfriend. Here's what I say.

I thought the movie was a great Saturday afternoon. I'm cleaning the house movie in that it's just on. You can't, you're not going to miss anything. you step out of the room. It's a very clear film. This guy gets hired by this woman to work at a roadhouse. You don't know anything about this woman. You don't know her backstory. And guess what? You never will find out her backstory. And then you see the situation with him. And yes, we finally get the flashback when he's confronted by, oh, I forget the actor's name, when he's confronted by the main villain. Billy Magneson? Billy Magneson. And so you finally is like, okay, so what was the reason? I just

got angry in the ring. So this guy should be in jail. Like, legitimately in a padded cell, he should not be outside. So this is the most unusual protagonist to put in a film like this. And he's either suicidal or he wants to kill everybody around him. Right.

There's a funny opening fight scene that I think works really well. But then he gets more and more like brutal and vicious and violent. And so if you've got a character, you've got to top it, how do you top it? You bring in a cartoon maniac like Connor McGregor, who I think understood the fucking assignment

and had a blast with their thing and their final fight was fine. But yeah, you're right, dude. It is a, it is absolutely a narrative mess. There's no reason to have a black bookshop winner with a black daughter. That's all just to get you sympathy. And so it just was a little paint by numbers,

but I enjoyed Jake and I did like Connor for what he was doing. And I like the final fight. That's all I can say. Well, in the original, he gets set off because and there's no Wade Garrett. Wade Garrett was his whole was like a mentor and like the whole thing there was no Wade Garrett and I was like where's or someone like Wade Garrett and I was like the whole point of the guy who was kind of mentoring him is once he dies then when Swayzy snapped you're like I get it I understand why he snapped he's like he's like he's got to pull that that scene when he pulls the blade out of Wade Garrett and he's just like you know because he knows he's dead and like the pain that's coming through him and this like you burnt down the bookstore I'm gonna crack your neck and shoot you and it's like whoa This guy's a lunatic. That's what I'm getting at.

I see someone in the comments section. You don't go to jail for killing somebody in the comment. We all fucking know that. What I'm saying is the fact that he is an absolute maniac who will murder at a moment of notice is why he should be in jail. Everyone. He's murdering everything. And it's like, and so I totally understand why this movie was not theatrical, by the way.

Yeah. I don't know what Doug Limeon was talking about. This is, this movie, because this movie, this is a movie that you find on streaming. Not that it was a bad movie. I had fun. My daughter was going to, she's like, she wanted to watch it because there was someone that she saw in it, but I wound up watching it with my wife. And we watched it. And she had seen the original recently. And she loved the original. She loves those 80 movies. And then when she saw the trailer for the new one, she's like, this looks terrible. But then we were watching and she's like, oh, it's not that bad. And it's not that bad. It's just, it's a streaming movie. It is an absolute streaming movie. There's, I saw people tweeting out about it like saying, you know, that, oh, this should have absolutely been theatrical. If you wanted it to lose money and you have. wanted people, no one, this movie would have not done well in the theaters.

A $60 million film like this would not have made $60 million in the theaters. No chance. No chance. It would have been a terrible, I mean, maybe you want to make up some of your money, but the money you're going to spend in marketing alone on it, but they spent some marketing, I guess. I don't know. Maybe there might be an argument to it to make, to make some money back. But this is like people going, this should have been a theatrical release.

I think there's other streaming movies that were, I didn't like the Millie Bob. Brown movie, right? Yeah, it was okay. I didn't like that movie. But that has just a much of an argument of being a theatrical movie is this. Sure, for the spatchy nature of it all. And her. Right.

So, and I think that movie should have been a streaming movie as it was. It should have stayed a streaming movie. But so this, I saw people, again, I saw people over the week and going, I don't understand. This is absolutely a movie that should have been a theatrical movie. 20 years ago? Yeah. Yes, 100%.

20 years ago. Before streaming. though too it's like this you have to understand business wise people are not when i say this there are certainly people that would have bought a ticket to do it but when you're trying to make a profit that's not a movie to me that i think would have been would have made a lot of money yeah like to me the killer should have been a theatrical release the uh the one that was on netflix the cost of the david fincher one right it wasn't that much i think it was like 30 million that's yeah maybe maybe but it still wouldn't have done that well though those people don't go to

the movies for that type of stuff anymore that's fair. Unless John Wick. They don't really go for those things. So, well, right. Right. I mean, look, the monkey man I'm curious about. Oh, yeah. A monkey man does. I think I see that this week or next week, but 60 million, listen, remember people, like, you cannot say this film should have been

theatrical when the film you're getting was the $80 million movie. We don't know what the $60 million movie would have looked like, where the shortcuts would have been, how much shorter, it probably would have been an hour and a half instead of two hours. This film had no business being two hours, by the way. Wait a minute. I have to

I got to highlight this. I have to highlight this. This is a joke, right? We just, we just explain this. This has to be a joke. Why are Christian and John a lot to show the movies they don't like, but nobody's allowed to shit?

No one said that. No one said that. And we're not shitting on it. We're saying it's a good movie. Oh, watch a movie. Okay, listen. I'm going to tell you this here. Because you're not listening.

I tried to tell you one time, and you wrote the same thing. And I feel like you're doing it as a joke now. So I must tell you again. It's not a matter of whether you're not, you like the same movie or don't like it. And if I like it and I tell you, I do not like this movie, I think some of this is crazy.

I think cartoons were running around and fighting and bad stuff was happening, but then you liked it. And I said, you were wrong for liking it. Then I am wrong for doing that. I did not say that. If you said you'd like the roadhouse, then the good for you. I'm telling you there are problems there, and you're not listening. So stop typing.

You're typing it wrongly because you're not listening. You have a thought in your head, and it just comes out. stop it. It's like, now listening. We just went over this. We just went over this. You're allowed to say whatever you.

You can shit on any movie you want. It's when you tell someone else that they're wrong for liking the movie. If someone says, I thought that this movie, the new roadhouse was a masterpiece. I don't agree with you, but I'm glad that you enjoyed it. That's the difference.

That was we're talking about. So I feel that that person was, I think that they were messing with. I don't think they were serious. I think they were kidding. I want that attention. Just, No, but I think, Joel, you're, you were joking, right?

I think he was kidding. I really do think he was kidding. I think he was messy because we did it before, and I feel like, I think he was, I think he was just messing with us. So I'm going to, I'm going to take, I'm going to give Joel the benefit of the doubt that he was just ball balls. You don't? You think he was serious? I never give them the benefit of my problem. I don't think he was serious. I think he was, I think he was taking a piss.

I think he was just kidding around. So, Joe, let us know, because if you're, because there's no way, if you, you, you have, you, If you listened, maybe you didn't listen to the beginning of the conversation that we had before. And maybe that's, maybe that's what. Maybe you didn't listen closely. It's hilarious. That was hilarious. Um, okay.

So, but what I was going to say with, um, what I was going to say with the, the, that movie though, Roadhouse, I think that Roadhouse was entertaining for good, for streaming overall. Jillon Hall is a movie star. There's no doubt about it. He's got that charisma. I didn't think their relationship worked though, him and and I don't know. It was kind of thrown in there.

Yeah. There was no real chemistry between them. And she's supposed to be this badass woman, but you get no scenes without her by herself. I mean, without Jake by herself doing her thing. And we don't get to know her at all. Right.

So she has, there's no depth to the character. And then she's connected to this guy who's a, who's, I'm like, oh, come on. Yeah.

In the same way, look, and we will probably hold, we'll probably hold the original tighter to, to our vest because, you know, with the 80s movie and it's it's it's just it's equally it's silly that movie but it's not trying to be better than what it is right it's just and i did like that it took swings and went a different

direction with it you know so um there's a lot that it did right there's just a lot that to me it did wrong so anyway i saw a great real quick man i saw a great question from kevin mccarthy who does great stuff on the junkets and he asked jake what since you're doing a patrick suasy film what film would you love to see Patrick Swayze do of yours? And I thought that was a fucking great question. It was great. What did you say? Where would Swayzy fit in?

Nightcrawler is one of the way. Nightcrawler. It would be a great change of pace to show Swayze was a really good actor. Yeah. He didn't play a character like that. I thought that was a genius. It's funny you said when it comes to night crawler because I thought there was a couple times that his Dalton fell into the night crawl.

He's a serial killer. He's a crazy person. At the bar with Magnuson, when gives him that look yeah i was like this is a this person deserves to be in jail yeah for sure so jake i mean right of someone's got to write a great villain role fuck that mysterious right an actual real villain role for jillen hall to play and i think he would kill it man i mean wouldn't you say that was that was that was that of course of course let's go let's go to the nfc yeah all right let's see uh let's next next one we can go to here let's let's do this one this one's this one's everywhere right now and scarlet johansson

now speaking of marvel uh she is now heavily rumored or now it's like she's in talks this is it's because we were had had the rumor from your partner in crime jeff schneider right now from deadline scarlet johansen is in talks for gareth edwards drastic world movie at universal two-time oscaro-nomerese scarlet johantson is in talks to join gareth edwards directed drastic world reboot at universal this has been out there for some time but it's looking solid now this puts johens in business with another major movie franchise following her Black Widow Days and Marvel, which resulted in the star suing Disney over the 2021 pandemic release of that movie, which the studio opted to go day and date on Disney Plus. The Siphoning Box Office Gross is the two sides ultimately

settled. Universal is assembling the project quickly for a July 2nd, 2025 release. David Kep, who adapted the first Jurassic Park from Michael Cretton's classic novel, is pending the latest iteration of Jurassic World. The new movie, is a fresh take on a Jurassic era with Jurassic World cast members, Rice Talas Howard, Chris Pratt, not expected to return, nor the original trilogy, Suspians, Goldblum, Dern, and Sam Neal. Jurassic World will be produced by Spielberg through Amblin, yada, yada, yada, yada, Jurassic Park franchises are more than 30 years old and his gross $1.67 billion

at the Global Box. 1.67 billion? Is that true? That's more than that, right? Wait a minute. In a minute, Jurassic Park franchise, 1.6? Didn't the last one alone? That's a mistake. That's got to be a mistake. Last one, the whole franchise, that's not, that's not accurate.

1.67 billion, the last movie alone did like one point something. Spielberg directed 93 was followed by, okay, who cares? So this movie overall is a good choice, good director, very curious to see. This goes back to what you're talking about with Alien, right? How big are they going to? It's Jurassic World and obviously they're going to put money into it. But I hope that they do it smaller. And I hope that you got your movie star and Scarlett Johansson.

I love that nobody else is coming back. Chris Pratt, Bryce Dallas Howard, they've done their thing. Same with everybody else. The world has been overtaken by dinosaurs now. How are new people dealing with it? Right? Perfect. Let's start a whole new thing.

Let's start, you know, in the same way that like apes did it. Let's do a whole brand new thing. And if this can work, this is the way this is what I'm, this is my hopefulness with like terminator. If they can do something like this and make it work, if this movie isn't good, it's easy for me to say stop it because I'm just over it. If it's not good anymore,

and they can't crack the code, but these things still make money, hand over fist every time they come out. So I don't know, how do you feel about this casting? I like this. You know, when Jeff talked about it on the show,

of course he broke it on his little letter and then we talked about it on the hot mic, which I hope you all are subscribed to the hot mic, or on the podcast feeder on my channel. But like Jeff, I told Jeff, like, I thought this was a great idea. Because the thing is Scarlett likes to do the independent movies, likes to make clear that she is an actress first and foremost. You know, people forget how she started out and then got into the Marvel machine.

And but after a while, it's like, okay, I've still got to maintain my status in the larger blockbuster scope of things. So this is a great way to do that. And Scarlett is such a confident, strong actress now leading something like this i think is a great challenge for her and i agree with you getting rid of everybody else don't bring back the old cast either just chart a whole new course because as much as those movies made and the last one made a billion dollars they weren't critically liked and look the overall franchise i looked at up as made over six billion dollars so shout out to

them they clearly have a money maker here consistently no matter the quality of the films so now you go with scarlet and i think this is a great way forward she's going to it's a it's a new approach to things, a new character, and I like what she's going to bring to it. So I think it's a smart move. And people like her. So I think people are going to go see this film because of her. And that's an important part if you're rebooting this thing. I'll push back on that a little bit. I don't think that they'll go and see it because of her. I think they'll see it because of dinosaurs. But they'll but they'll also go, who is this in it? Scarlet Johansson. Oh, I like her. That'd be great to watch.

That's the whole point is that this one will feel more comfortable going because she's Because she's in it. Because she's in it, it's like, okay, well, we like her. Yeah. But the dinosaurs is what's selling that movie. That's the whole point. You can put, I mean, you don't need, if you don't have, like, if you don't have her in here and you had somebody else in that was, was likable, it's good because it's dinosaurs. If you do it right, but you got to tell the story.

You can't just rely on the dinosaurs. You can't just rely on the movie story. You got to make it as magical and kind of compelling. There's a lot of stories to tell. You don't go back to a park. Don't do another park. Don't do stuff that's been over. Don't do it in the same way that Star Wars, like, in the same way that Star Wars, like,

relied on another Death Star. Don't do that shit. Make it the fact you've built up your lure. There are dinosaurs running around the world now. Yeah. So how are people dealing with that? How is this woman dealing with that? Who is this woman?

Teach me about her. Teach me about how she's dealing with it. And give me that more of that, like, horror feel that was in that, was in the original book. Yeah. And let's change it up. Fast and furious, say what you want about it. The reason why that franchise was so successful was the tone shift from like four on.

Yeah, five is the beginning of the change. Absolutely right. Yeah. Because. Yeah, go ahead. Please finish. I was just going to say like, and I think people are going to get mad at me if they want. This is a better actress than Bryce Dallas Howard or Chris Pratt.

And so you go forward with someone like this. Laura Dern, fantastic actress, not really a blockbuster mainstream actress, but Scarlet is. Julianne Moore, great actress, not really a blockbuster mainstream actress. What you've found in Scarlett to lead your franchise going forward in this reboot is you've got someone who is a blockbuster mainstream actress and is a good independent film actress as well. So you're covering both sides. So whatever story you want to tell.

And remember, this script's already been written. They're bringing her in, the slide in. This isn't her beginning at the process and all of this stuff. It's already been written. They've already worked it out. They've got the director. I think it's Garth Edwards. He's going to do it.

And then she's coming in to be a bit. part of it. So boom, you've lined it all up, and I think this is the way to go. And you trust her that you can come in and just hit the ground running. So it's smart on all kinds of levels to get her. And I like, and I know you didn't like the creator, but I like what he did with that movie the way he made that movie feel with the budget that he had. And that movie felt like it was $250 million. It cost like $80 million to make. So he can do some really, he can take that, he can take and make these things scary, right? He can he can do like make it a little bit more of like serious science fiction as opposed to like the watered down cotton candy Jurassic world we got in the last like couple

of movies it's let's make it let's make it you know try to put some legitimacy back to the franchise as well and i think what you're saying by putting someone in like a scarlet show hanson who can do the who's a really good actress plus the fact you can do the blockbuster stuff you got gareth and he has action but he knows how to make compelling um sci-fi so this has potential the only thing that scares me is i know that this script's done, but a year from, a little over a year from now, that's, that's fast. It's a tight turnaround. But if they follow your blueprint, you've been talking about for many weeks on our, on our

show here, Christian, or on the show, is that you're saying that you want things to go smaller, you want things. So it may be that they're going with a smaller approach to this, which is why they think they can make the turnaround as quickly as they can, because they're not going with a wide, global story like they told in the last one. And so it could really work. This is the potential. I'm going to say this now.

This has the potential to be the best film in the Jurassic Park franchise this side of the original. This has the potential. And the other thing that I'll push back against with a little bit is that I do, because I think you and I are on different pages

with Bryce Dallas Howard, because I think Bryce Dallas Howard's a pretty damn good actress as far as dramatically. I said Scarjo was better. That's all I said. I think dramatic acting, I would probably, dramatic acting I would actually give Bryce Dallas Howard

the nod over Scarlet Johansson, not big block. Buster movies. And when you're going to do action as compared to what in Argyle, there's no comparison. Scarlett Johansson is your action star compared to Bryce Dallas Howard. But from the help and other movies, too, I just, I think Bryce Dallas Howard is a little bit better of an actress dramatically, dramatically. But that doesn't mean that Scarlett Johansson don't have the chops. She got the chops. And I think I think she's a better choice for this franchise than Bryce Dallas Howard is. Fair point.

I agree with you on that one. Yep. Okay. Let's talk about this because, you know, John, I don't like to say I'm right. Since when? But I'm right. This was a movie that I was, it's my number one, most anticipated movie. And when they said, or when John said, this movie was going to make a billion dollars.

I said, I hope you're right, but there's no chance. and it looks like this movie's going to close out. They said prediction-wise between like, right now it's currently at 574. They're saying from its run, it looks like it's going to cross between like 700 to 750 or something, which is a great number. It's a great number.

The movie is a massive success, the biggest movie of the year thus far. And the fact that it comes out, that it came out in March, it's a three-hour movie. This is a major accomplishment, a major accomplishment. I can't wait for the franchise to continue on through series and then Messiah and all these things.

But you're lucky that we didn't, you want to go back? Do you want to go back and say that we did make a steak dinner on this bet? I think those were those tapes have been lost. Oh, I think so. I don't know where the audio is. Yeah. Well, that was an audio. That was text.

Oh, it looks like I'm going to make, I'm going to have a steak dinner. I go, we never, we never bet on June. I'm like, yes, we did. You're lucky that we didn't. You're lucky that we didn't. Getting older things flying it out of my brain. Fair. I can't even tell you over the last week,

I've asked my wife who the same person was eight times. I just told you this yesterday. I was like, I don't remember who that person. Anyway, so what, this, but I'm not wrong here, right? This movie, this is, this is still major accomplishment. No, I think so too. I mean, for what, what it, how people reacted to the first movie, the fact that this one came out and was able to get people to come back and watch it.

And because of the criticism. the positive reviews, the response to it all, it's been wonderful to see. And it just shows you, people are willing to go and give a film a second chance or a franchise a second chance if the reviews are great. So many people want to say,

critics don't matter, critics don't matter, they still fucking matter. They do matter. And if overall critics and audiences are both saying a film is great, more people are going to give it a chance. And when they give it a chance,

those people are going to come back and watch it over and over again. And that's what's going to lead to the money. And I think a dense, challenging science fiction movie with two up and coming stars in Zendaya and Timothy Shalame to be able to sell it to this level and the length of these movies to be able to sell it at this level. I see so many people go, why are movies so long?

Why are movies so long? When they earn their length, people will go because they want to enjoy themselves. And they want to be taken and transported someplace else. And this film works and clearly it holds up to multiple rewatches which is why it made as much as it did. And you're right. I mean, to be honest with you, a billion would have been great,

but maybe a billion was asking too much for a sci-fi, sound-based epic in another fucking galaxy. But, you know, I had hopes for this one as well. Yeah. That billion dollar dart, it's hard to hit the bullseye. It's hard. It's not. We were in a very different place when there were movies that were hitting it every single time.

You're right. You're right. Streaming wasn't even that much of it. it was Netflix was like the only streaming game in town when all those movies were making a billion every other week. You know, like that it's like the last, I think there was two that hit last year. Two. It was, it was Barbie and Oppenheimer got close, but which is crazy, which I understood your argument because that's like, it was such an anomaly. An anomaly there when you're looking like, well, wait, Oppenheimer made almost a billion.

Doing's going to do it. And it's like, it's Nolan. Speaking of which, I just watched the prestige again on the plane. Dude, I forgot how great that movie was. Arguably his greatest film. A lot of people think it's his greatest film. It's a great movie. I had any time it came up in conversation about Nolan's greatest,

I never talk about that movie because I saw it once. And I, I mean, I started, I watched two Nolan movies and I watched two Guy Ritchie movies. I watched, and I'll talk on my, I do a segment on Patreon where I do what I am watching for everything I covered over the last month. And I watched The Gentleman. I watched The Covenant, speaking of Jake Gyllenhaal. And then I watched, that was on the way there. And then I watched a little memento.

And then I was already in New York. So I finished Memento when I was, and then I watched, and then I watched The Prestige. Yeah. And, man, the prestige is awesome. It's so good. Guess who's in that? Because it isn't Bryce Dallas Howard.

Scarlett Johansson's true her accent's not the best though in the movie how dare it's it's not the best I know it's fine it's not the best she's she's good in the movie but um yeah but uh it's it's that movie is that movie is underrated I think it told me you like the covenant you texted me that you like the covenant anybody who's watching who hasn't seen it please see it yeah I really like the covenant I thought that was a really solid movie and that and it and I think because I had just watched a covenant and then I watched Roadhouse like it just also just cemented how much I really enjoy Jake Gyllenhaal as an actor. Yeah. He's just, he's pretty versatile, man. He could do a lot of different things and he's,

and he's likable. And even when he's a lunatic, he's likable. He's not a lunatic in the covenant, but he has some, he has some rage moments. Yeah. In that, I thought it was a great movie. Anyway, all right, so I'm trying to think this is one more thing that I wanted to talk. Oh, yes, this acolyte thing. Let me talk about this acolyte thing. Where is it? It's Corrassant. I read this thing about Chorrescent that's, um, that's coming up. And apparently, in the Acolyte, it's going to be practical. And I don't think there's been a practical Coruscant thus far.

Maybe a couple of buildings or something when they did, I don't know, it wasn't Indoor. It was Asoka, but I even think that was on the set. Previously, Star Wars, the Acolyte showrunner, Leslie Headland, spoke about how the upcoming High Republic set series didn't make use of the volume technology at all in its creation. It's a far cry from many of the other Star Wars shows on the air from the Mandalorian to Asoka to Canobie,

which all make extensive use of the tech, though and or barely touched it instead opting for real-world location filming. As this takes place decades before the prequel, however, the series has to show an opulent and decadent society, one which is blindly and blissfully unaware of the dark times to come for subsequent generations. Now, in an interview with IGN, Headland says the use of practical sets extended to a location rarely done without major CG assistance in the Star Wars galaxy,

the city planet Coruscant. She said it was a challenge, but we wanted to utilize practical sets for Correscent, And that meditation room that you see, we wanted to do it justice, but also have it feel real and tactile. We've used practical sets much more than the other shows. And part of that came out of necessity, and part of it was a creative choice. All right. So you and I haven't really talked much outside of texting about the show or the trailer, right? I feel like the trailer, there's predictability in the criticism, and then there's also, I think,

just criticism in it. And I'm skeptical of the show because I'm skeptical of Lucasfilm and Star Wars right now. Right. Right. And there are things that I certain things that I saw. And I think you and I were talking about it too. I don't know if they're going to be able to pull off just a bunch of kids running around is some of the kids are evil. Some of the kids are good. I don't know yet. I love the comments about the practical effects. I love what they're the idea that it takes place, a hundred years before the Skywalker saga. It's got things in it that if it pulls it off, I liked the tone.

I liked the tone of the trailer. But I'm just nervous and sort of like, and I do. And I watched a bit of the Jedi Way and I will say, I got to push back a little bit on some of the stuff that you guys said about the, I think that it is crucial to pay, because Frank was like,

who cares? I think it's crucial to pay attention to storylines that are put together, that is put out there. Like if someone says, and it's not just one character, John that says like well the Sith have been extinct for a long time this is a thing that the Jedi knew that the Sith because it was a it was a war that happened in between like Darth

what Darth Bain did and the creation of two which is Canon that he that he created the two by wiping out all the Sith and the Sith had been and that happened a thousand years so to them the Jedi know this right we haven't seen the show yet so they might very well explain it but if they don't they should be it's the same stuff because Deborah Chow pissed all over Canon stuff. Like, I mean, shit, Luke is pissed all over Canada and stuff and prequel stuff. So I think it's important to pay attention to it. The who cares mentality of it? I don't think is something you can ask fans to do. It's not,

it's not fair. Yeah, maybe somewhere in the middle is the better approach. Because the normal Star Wars, or the, I don't want to say normal. How can I say the mainstream casual Star Wars fan does give two shits about Canada. They want to go and see the film and have a good time and enjoy themselves. They're not going, wait, was he, wait, but they said, and they're not studying the films the way hardcore Star Wars fans do. And look, all credit to hardcore Star Wars fans who do. And certainly, and, you know, the Schmodel was full of many of those who do. And Kevin was one of those. Kevin Smith's on the Jedi Way and Frank was our guest. But yeah, I think you've got to find the

middle ground, which is people can bring up these criticisms and these issues. I'm hoping that they knew people were going to break up these criticism and these issues. And as you said, they're going to address them in the show. I also think a character's head canon is not the franchise's canon. You said that, though, but that's not one character. I want to, right, but even if it's multiple characters, it's still the character's head canon. Oh, that's history, though.

That's, that's, that's history, dude. It's like, no, the Sith, right? The Sith have been working in the shadows, so the Jedi would believe that there hasn't been any Sith. Right. That, that, I, that for sure. But if they, but that's not the argument. The argument is if this guy running around with that,

red lightsaber, whoever it is, and there's all these Jedi fighting them, the argument is not that. The argument is then if that was the case, they all have to die and then no one logs it into any computers because otherwise, by the time we got to the prequels, they're going to know because of what happened there. That's the argument. Not that, yeah. Yeah, and I think you're right. And the same thing is going to apply to the Saj Ventress thing, right? Bringing her back on Bad Bad Bad this season, they've got to address how that's possible. And so you can take these changes. But I do agree with you. Take the chances.

You can slightly ignore Canon initially, but you've got to address it. So maybe because they, I'm hoping that they knew fans were going to kind of be upset about it. And they've got a plan for it. Because the, the Saj Ventures thing, they came out and said, we knew the fans were going to be upset about this. We have a plan. Don't worry about it. So I'm hoping the same thing's going to happen in this situation. And Leslie doesn't strike me as someone who's not supremely intelligent.

about this kind of stuff. So I hope. She's a fan. And so she, you assume that she would know that particular thing. So I don't want to judge it yet because I haven't seen the show. I'm just saying it should be a concern. Because,

Poloni didn't bring it up, don't you think? I mean, Faloni must have been involved at creative level. I would hope so, but then you look at the stuff that happened in Obi-Wan, and it's like, maybe not.

You know, fair point, dude. The Leia stuff is ridiculous. When you go back and you look at it, like Leia should have been nowhere near Obi-Won-Kano. Nowhere near Obi-Won-Kono. all that stuff was just like there's so much of it that made no sense and that was just kind of retcon or just or just really towed the line of it and then the idea that you know riva knew who

anakin skywalker was how like all that stuff is you can go on and over and over again so it's that kind of stuff you got to pay attention you got to hold this stuff solid you got to hold it as if it's actual real history if you want like it's the same way and you brought up schmo down before when we started doing a trivia contest, right? And we started doing these things. It's like people, and we used to, you and I used to get so,

like, pissed about this. When people were like, oh, it's just movie trivia. And you're like, why are you guys taking it so seriously? Because if you don't take it seriously,

the audience from it. And then when you started taking it seriously and I started taking it seriously, the audience started taking it seriously because it meant something to them. And they meant that it meant something to you. And it's the same thing when it comes to like little details in a story. It's like, that's fair. You know what I mean? It's a you look at it and you go, well, wait a minute.

That, that history, that look at Dune. Yeah. It's itself. It takes the myth. It takes the history. It takes all that stuff serious. And like it actually happened. And I believe it happened then.

I believe that's actual history. If it's like, oh, no, no, no, no. That's for this story, pretend it didn't happen. Like Frank said, he was like, ah, who cares? It's like, I care. If you don't want me to care, what the fuck am I paying for this thing for? So, anyway. All right. That's the majority of stuff that we covered here today. And now we're going to take all your questions because we have a ton of them. So you can still ask more. We have some more time. Before I do, we got a brand new sponsor that I'm super pumped to tell you guys about here today. And then an old familiar. I'm going to tell you first of all about Magic Spoon because you guys know. And I got that yesterday. I'm so excited for somebody to reach out to me yesterday and told me how much they're loving Magic Spoon. And like, I'm so glad that you told me about Magic Spoon because I absolutely.

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Well, the sponsors are in there. But what I want to do, John, also, before we get started here, too, because I think that we're going to get all these questions, why don't you tell people about your channel and everything that you're doing now instead of the end? Because I don't want people to tune out after we sign off. I want them to hear about what you're doing. Yeah, appreciate that, man. Yeah, the outlaw nation.

It's been going on for now for three and a half years. Love for you all to head on over there's YouTube.com slash John Roker says. A lot of stuff going on. You guys know, I can create fantastic shows. that people really enjoy when they come and watch it on the channel. We've got the hot mic with me and Jeff Snyder breaking down entertainment news once a week there on the channel. A lot of fun, hour and a half, two hour shows, talking about everything and breaking some scoops

every once in all, which is a lot of fun. Jedi Way, as Christian just mentioned, we just dropped our most recent episode. Me and Kevin Smith's welcoming Frankie Janish, who was sitting in for the great Laura Kelly, talking about the acolyte, talking about the Patty Jenkins news, reviewing the lady's bad batch episode, and if there's a Nasaj Ventress, a series in the works, according to Nick of Futterman. So a lot of stuff we covered there. The geek buddies,

there's something I do with my buddies who I've been friends with for over 20 years. The Christian knows Michael Vogel and Shannon McClong breaking down all kinds of stuff going on to the world of entertainment. And from an insider perspective, because Michael Vogel is an executive producer and showrunner of numerous animated series. Shannon is a writer and actor.

And of course, I'm a critic and a pundit here in the world of sphere. So I think you get a unique take on the world of entertainment. It's a lot of fun from the three of us that we do with the geek buddies. plus my trailer reactions, my reviews, and sometimes the cases like The Nation, which I did an episode of on Friday, breaking down that quiet on the set documentary,

detailing the sexual abuse allegations and the toxicity that Dan Schneider lorded over during his time at Nickelodeon that I thought was a lot of fun to open up the door to hear from so many people talking about it and hear there are points of views. So yeah, a lot of stuff going on on on the channel. I'd love to have you come aboard,

not to mention the cinefiles, which is my podcast that I do every week with Steve Morris, that I think you all would enjoy as well. Go and check it out, everybody. John's working hard over there, so go and support him. Okay, let's get to first question. Michael Sinister McCall, name an evil villain that pisses you off and why. I'm going to go wrestling, and I'm going to say Oscar right now is pissing me off. Stupid dance.

I hate that stupid dance. All she does is dance. And I think she's supposed to be pissing you all. off and it's like stop dancing and it's like but i realize what she's doing and i'm like she's doing exactly what she should be doing she's pissing me off and it's like it's good villain heat but she's really getting under my skin i used to love oscar but she's like she's pissing me off i'm going to a wrestling villain there too speaking wrestling by the way yeah doing the russomania preview special it'll be a full big thing episode wow and i'm going to be doing it with chris

chris van bleat nice and then i kathy kelly's going to come on the show and she's coming on to talk about She got the slammy's going again. Nice. So she's going to, if I'm going to have her on, she'll probably be, because mania is coming up, she's going to be virtual. But then when she's back in L.A., she's going to come in the studio at Postmania, but we're going to get her on before that.

So people know. So evil villain that pisses you off and why. I would say The Rock right now. Your turncoat. That being said, I went to three target stores this weekend to buy his skin care product line, because I want to try it out. I think it's called Papa Pooey or whatever it's called.

Bapa Booie, no, Papa Booie. And I'm going to get, and I got all the skin lines. So I'm going to take a picture of myself with the stuff to put up on Instagram later and tag him. But I want to try it out. That being said, he is pissing me off on so many levels as a villain right now because he has absolutely eclipsed Cody and Roman story to make it all about him.

And I find that to be a fascinating thing. And only the Rock can get away with that nonsense. Incredible. And he brought back to Hollywood Rock. here you did Mike Joyce not sure what was worse the villain in madam webb or connor McGregor and roe hell uh both both had terrible performances were bad villains I know I think that Roku was right I think Connor at least knew the assignment I don't know what the villain was so forgettable in that movie and so I'm like Connor was not

forgettable in that movie he's I don't know why he's walking around with his ass hanging out for five minutes but but most of all I mean in the fight scenes are pretty good I he He far eclipses that villain in Madam Webb, in my opinion. Yeah, agree. But, yeah, it's like it was even more natural, bro. It was more natural. Yeah, he was essentially just being himself. Yes.

Pete Parker, 2288. Did you either you see Roadhouse? Yes. I thought it was really bad and not in a good way. That's CGI. There was some bad CGI in it. Oof, the last fight was like a bad video game. Yeah, it was brutal.

It was brutal, too, the last fight. But, yeah, like I said, I think that's why I think it was a perfect streaming. movie because it's like one of those movies that to me is what one of the definitions of a streaming movie is after you watch it and you go well at least we watch that on streaming if I wasn't paid for it in the theater I'd be like I don't know I mean some of the fights were good

and Jillen Hall's good but do we have to spend you know 30 bucks on that movie but how about Prime Video not letting you have an ad free version of Prime Video anymore it's so frustrating like I just I got HBO Max over the weekend again because they dropped the price down to 140 for the ad free

from 200. So I was like, you know what? That makes sense. Like 10 bucks a month. Okay, I'll do it. But the prime, I mean, I'm paying the same amount and I don't get ad free, which is so frustrating. And so that should, that should be an option. Yeah. Their argument is the other stuff you get through prime, but still, I agree with you. Yeah. Um, okay, Mike Joyce, so many kids when I saw after life, Frozen Empire. It's been a while since I've seen the first two, but as Ghostbusters has always been a kid's franchise. I think so. I think that it's, I think that it, yeah, for sure. me. I'm, when I saw the originals, I was a kid and I love that. I think it's, it's both, though. I think that that's why it's two things, two things. One, I think that's why it had such appeals, because it appealed to both adults and kids. And I also think that's why so many people hold it so close to the vest. Yeah. Because it just became such a thing when they were kids as they were adults, these other things. I mean, because the first movie has a lot of adult humor to a, like the type of adult humor that when you're a kid, it goes right over your head. And then when you see it as a, when you see it when you see it when you. you're older, you're like, oh. So yeah, I don't know. I think it's pretty much meant for kids.

And this, they're definitely aiming more towards kids for sure. I mean, Dan Aykroy gets a blowjob from a ghost in the first movie. So it's very much. It has an adult aspect. But yeah, it's a kids franchise because they wouldn't have made an animated series if it wasn't a kid's franchise. They wouldn't sold so many kids related stuff if it wasn't a kid's franchise. Yeah. Okay, next one. Hayden center christian huge fan thanks man i hit 235 subs on my movie review channel and you're one of the few people that inspired me to do it uh i hope i can meet you and well thank you hayden and and congratulations on your channel that's an accomplishment man anytime like shit five subscribers is an accomplishment you know what i mean it's like it's so you keep pushing and 200 that's a big that's a big deal

that's 200 that's a full room of people like when we do when we do let's just put it in perspective when we do live comedy shows we are crossing our fingers and 120 people will be in it yeah You have 235 people that are watching your show. That's awesome. Good for you. Late to the party and Galaxy Geeks, both at 235 at one point, most recently.

And then boom, they blew up their over 100,000. Galaxy is like 600,000. If you just keep going, you never know. Yeah. All right. Murder, why did you take down your tales from the Jedi commentaries? I didn't.

I don't think I did. They were great, especially episode four, The Sith Lord. Do you question my authority always? Oh, no, you know what it was? I know what it was. I think the tales from the Jedi I think I did on the other channel.

And I took all that stuff. And it's just a Shmowdown channel now. So I don't, although the old Shmoh's reviews are on it. But I didn't, yeah, because they didn't, we weren't performing over here. So that's probably why. But I might go through. I'm going to go through that whole channel and just make things public on it.

There's going to be a lot of the old Shmo's reviews that are going to be public on that one. But, but yeah, it's mostly a Shmowdown channel. So that's probably why. But I do want to, that's because the new Tales of the Jedi is supposed to come out. soon yeah i'm looking for okay let's see so the next one bill gaffey just kindly puts in a dollar thank you bill i appreciate uh let's see next one is that actually i don't even know i don't know gillia i'm gonna say this wrong gilliam lebel yeah yep can't go to the theaters for a while because of ear surgery i'm sorry man so i'll have plenty of time to catch up on my

streaming queue at least i got to see dune too beforehand keep out good work thanks man yeah i your ear gets better so that that that's not fun at all i hope your ear gets better oh stop it i'm sorry what uh mad sinister mccall always great show plot twist that floored you i i you know i i will go when i was younger i mean shit me unusual suspects still oh my god yes it was so it was just the way that was done with the coffee cup and everything too even even even recently someone was like what's the one where the character just realizes of shit And it's like, Chaspell and Terry dropping that coffee cup is so good. Yeah.

Kaiser Sozee. How about you? You got one? I don't want to ruin anything. If it's old, if it's old, then I guess six cents. I guess that was one that sticks in my mind always because I sat there with my mouth wide open, just wide the fuck open. Dart Vader's burnt asshole.

Ghostbusters reception feels like another sign that audiences are growing tired of legacy, nostalgia IP. the audience in 85% yeah so that's not that's not the audience that's the that's pretty when it becomes more of the same they become more vocal about it is six out of 10 for me so the the the audience review would argue against that one in particular but I don't disagree with you it's not necessarily legacy nostalgia IP that people are getting tired with it's lazy writing It's lazy writing. It's because you, when you rely on just that.

Because again, as I said, with Frozen Empire, they're very well written. It's sloppy at times, but I enjoyed the tone of it. I understand it six out of ten, I get that. I understand that completely. But I think that I don't think that people are getting tired of because it also made $45 million. It didn't bomb. Right.

He didn't bong. Luke, the gamer won. Hello from the UK. I had fun with Ghostbusters. Hators be Dan. House of the Dragon looks amazing. Been a fan for nine years. Keep up the great work.

Thank you, Luke. That's very kind to you, and I'm glad that you enjoyed it. And yeah, great, House of the Dragon looks fantastic. I also saw Luke asking about the Covenant. Luke, The Covenant is a film directed by Guy Ritchie,

starring Jake Gyllen Hall, and it's dealing with the pullout there in Afghanistan. So go and take a look at that one when you get a chance. Yeah, you know, it's funny when it started. I wasn't sure what year it was in his place. It takes place in 2018. Yeah. Yeah, which is great.

It was a true story? Yep. Oh, I didn't realize it was a true story. I really, I thought that was based off of like a couple of it. I didn't realize that was an actual. Based on true stories is what I was trying to say. Sorry. Based on. Like certain, like certain event, not the actual story itself. No, no, no, no. Yeah, okay. Okay. Jacobs is out of when are you going to be watching Invincible? I know you got a lot going on, but man, you're going to love it. Omnium will be one of your favorites. So I've watched at least the first three episodes. I loved all three episodes of the first one. They just, and what's hilarious is that I worked for the company. And I was in the middle of like a couple different times. It was like, hey, if you watched something, yeah. And I never did just because I was so busy with Smodown and stuff, not because I didn't want to. Everything I watched with it, I dug it. It's just there's so much. But I did, and I probably should talk about this first because I said I was going to, three body problem I watched. And I tried to stay away from people's comments and everything too. And maybe it was the whole season that people weren't like, didn't like were worried about. I love the first episode. Loved it. And I'm also.

Also, especially all the shit I talk about on Tuesdays and everything, I'm, I'm so interested in quantum physics and I don't know. Never in a million years while I even understand a quarter of what the hell anyone's talking about when it comes to quantum physics, but I want to. I'm fascinated by it. I'm fascinated by dreams. I'm fascinated by consciousness. I'm fascinated by all this stuff. So the idea of the way that they're kind of giving me almost a lost feel, I think Benedict Wong is amazing. There's so many different people in this show.

I really and it's brutal too by the way it's it's pretty it's pretty graphic um I like episode one a lot you haven't seen it yet right no no I'm gonna start it probably today at some point yeah and so I saw someone say how can we haven't done a review for it Netflix still does this thing that I don't like they dump a whole show right away it's tough and it'll be people will be talking about this show for like another week or two I'll try to finish it in between that time but it's better when it's week to week because more people have an interest in it and it's easier to do it. But if I can finish it in time, then I'll probably do a full season review of it for sure. Okay.

Kenneth Colton, March has been a huge month at the box office. As three films have hit 40 plus million. That will change to four once Godzilla and Kong comes out. Yeah, I'm going to see that one. See, that's a movie. We've talked about this before. I'm going to see that one on Wednesday. I see embargo drops on Thursday.

They know that the critics are not going to like this movie. They know that this is not, this movie is not intended for critics. This movie is intended for people that just want to see a big monkey and a big lizard fight other creatures. That's why they're not screening it in certain cities like San Diego. They're not screening it because they know it's going to be to or upon. Yeah, but I agree.

I think he, I think Kenneth's right. I think that it's going to be another one that is a big. And Warner Brothers is starting off throwing bombs. They got, They got Dune with making some some cash and they're already making. Remember, they won the box office last year. They're going to, I mean, can they do it again this year?

Maybe. Yeah. They maybe we can do it. But they got, they got a shot. But I thought Nazav was killing the film industry. Well, I mean, I don't know. I don't know about, I mean, all right. The movies are doing good so far.

So Tim Simp still have yet to see Ghostbusters Afterlife and Frozen Empire, but playing the scene in them. soon oh sorry still you have to see a ghost busts after life and frozen empire but planning to see them soon after hearing you know they're good also roco we're the famous man united and we're going

to Wembley yeah that's that's all you're going to get this year so enjoy that and yeah Tim I mean look some people don't like afterlife some people don't like Frozen Empire clearly I just really like the tone of it I saw

both of them with Roxy Roxy was at the screening and Roxy actually sat next to us for the Frozen Empire one. And she didn't like Afterlife and she loved Frozen Empire. So I don't know. I don't know. It's very, very interesting. Okay. Let's see.

Next one. Matt Sinister McHale. Give Harlow an Emmy, not Shogun. Well, a big thing. I still haven't seen them. Well, thank you. But I haven't, I still haven't seen it, John. That's one I got to see also.

I started watching yet. You know, it's so stupid. And I talked about this too. And this is a me problem. This has nothing to do with the show because I'm sure the show is just brilliant. But I started watching it and there was and it was like the opening scene and I go, I don't know. I think I'm I don't know if the show's for me. And it was the first scene.

It was so stupid. I was because I was tired. It had nothing to do with the show. It is a full admittance that it was me that night to where I was like, this show is being, it's probably overrated. And I said, you're being a fucking idiot right now. I'm an idiot. And I'm definitely going to watch it.

has nothing to do with show. And you're doing what you want, which is a weekly show. It has nothing to do with the show, full admittance that has me being a fucking idiot. But yeah, because after I said that, I'm like, that's, that's, I got, I did that. I did that with Severance. Oh, yeah. Severance was like, it was like, I'm like, how many times are they going to just show this person walking down the hall? I'm out.

And I bailed on it, right? And I did the same thing of poor things. I watched the beginning of poor things. I'm not going to watch a fucking movie. And I love poor things. So that's it. Okay, Benny. Speaking about a show I've never watched,

I'm re-watching Boardwalk Empire again, and I can't get over how great of an actor, Vincent Piazza and Stephen Graham were in it. I wish to hear it more. I feel like you loved that show. I did. I loved that show. Yeah, I thought Piazza was good as well,

but Stephen Graham, Liverpool actor, Stephen Graham, he's the guy who also played the foil in the Irishman who fought Pacino on the ground and stuff. You know, he's the guy that's messing with Pacino the whole time. So Stephen Graham, fantastic actor, snatch, so many things. So, yeah, I thought he was excellent in Boardwalk Empire throughout. And Bushemi was fucking stellar throughout. I got to see it.

And Charlie Cox is in it. Mr. Daredevil's in it. So you guys got to watch that show if you haven't seen it. Do you know, by the way, I mentioned a gentleman and I don't want to brush over this. I don't necessarily think Charlie Hunnam's the best actor, right? He was in that film. He's great in that movie. Yes.

He's not good in a lot of other theatrical films, but he is excellent in that film. And so it's Hugh Grant. They're fantastic. Charlie Hunnam is great in that movie. That's his best performance, hands down. And Finstock was great in it too. I mean, that is about as Finstock as you get. Colin Farrell.

It's funny guys is coming after me first. Yeah, he's absolutely. And when he says to the guy, well, basically something happens in a van. And he goes, oh, you're having a rough night. So good. He was so good in that movie. The movie's great. So good.

Mike Joyce, I'm surprised at Christian liked the new Ghostbusters. felt like any tension scare was immediately undercut by a joke. Don't you dislike some newer NCU movies because of that? I'm indifferent to Ghostbusters or overall. Difference. Ghostbusters has always had comedy in it with Harold Ramos. Ivan Reitman directed the first one, for God's sakes. And the second one, it was a comedy master.

Bill Murray, Dan Aykwright, it was always a comedy. It was always a horror comedy. It was always based on that. When you, when there's, there is sometimes that it wasn't just, it didn't come out of nowhere. It was consistent. It was not like, okay, here's this one thing. And now we're in this middle of this dramatic thing. And now there's a joke because we need a joke right now.

I was like, that's the characters, it seemed fresh with the characters. I do feel like there's, I always pronounce it wrong. But Camille Nijani, I feel like he is going, wandering into a place of playing the same character. in every movie. Okay. I feel like he plays the same character in every film that he's in. I think he's talented. I just think that he plays the same character over and over and over again where he's just like kind of like the bomb, like, oh, no, not me. I didn't, I didn't do it. And it's like, but I've seen you do it so many different times. But that, but his jokes though, that they put like towards the end of it, it did work. And I thought his character, even though he's playing the same character, I thought it fit well. And I thought he was good in it. I just

thought that it was i just want to see him do other things because i know that he can do it like a big sick you know big sick is great yeah um okay let's see let's keep going so there's a lot of uh there's a lot of roadhouse comments in here oh okay but this one p parker jillen hall becomes his character from night recaller halfway through the movie yeah yeah we said that absolutely becomes it it's like i mean it was different it was different yeah matt been a fan for 10 years man getting old i'm thinking of getting into into the movie industry on the business side and would love any tips if moving moving to L.A. is worth it. Hard to ask me because I'm moving out of L.A. now.

But no, I mean, it's it's it. It is. I mean, it's like the business has changed overall, too, where you can do so much from anywhere. But this is the center of being in entertainment. It really is. So if you want to get into that, and I would always recommend people living here if you want to be on the entertainment side, to at least for a little bit, to learn it, to understand it. it. So if you can, you have the means to do it, then absolutely. Would you agree, John? Yeah, I would. And come with a nest egg, man. Don't come. Poor. Don't come working job to job because the city will eat you up possibly. Now, you might get lucky and survive and find a job or whatever, but you got to come with a nest egg because trust me, there are a lot of unknown

expenses that will pop up that will affect you. And especially if you want to get into the business, there's going to be a lot that you're going to have to figure out for yourself financially. And the business is constricting so that's another element just understand come with realistic expectations and you'll be able to survive and put your pride away as well that's what i would say i'll sit uh hang tim what are the top three russomaniomani matches you guys are looking forward to also keep up the good work guys loving monday shows um you know i don't know the full card off the top of the top of my head so john knows it better than me but i would say obviously cody and roman yes sure the i mean does it count that it also also the team match that leads into that match.

Yeah. I guess that counts of those two. And then the third one, I'm trying to think the one, because I really like Sammy Zine. I don't want to see him in the rain. I guess I feel like Hunter. Yeah, and I feel like he might.

And I don't want that to happen. Because I really, I'd like to see it continue on. And maybe this, maybe the Seth Rollins and Drew match. I don't know. I don't know. I'd have to look into a little bit more of those two. How about you? Yeah, I'm going to skip the tag match because I'm looking forward to

Raines versus Cody. If I'm going to pick one of the two, I'll go there. I'm also looking forward to Ria versus Becky because I want to see where that goes. And I want to see how Becky can hang with a beast like Ria. Yeah, probably, yeah. But I want to tell that goes, Anna, the J versus Jimmy thing, come on, man, I got to see the Uso's going on. Yeah. I'm not looking forward to them. I texted you this, though, too. I know you do.

And it's like Jimmy has really, or Jay has really stepped up and become like a, Jimmy is an overactor, dude. Such an overactor. They haven't pushed him solo, bro. Oh, he's such an overactor. It's like, tone it down. It's like it doesn't look real. Like, it doesn't look real. And it's like you got to sell, as much as you're selling the bumps, you've got to sell the performance on the on in.

Every single time he does the snarling. me i'm like you look like you're acting bad i don't feel like you're mad at your brother i don't feel like you're mad at anybody else yeah not working um but but jay to me it is uh is crushing it i mean crushing it i i think the logan randy orton kevin owens match is going to steal the show i think that match is going to tear down the house the three of them and kevin owens is probably going to wind up winning right or when you're you think you're orton you think i don't think they'll put it orton's about putting people over now he's you know you know he's at a day he's at a now where he puts yeah yeah all right i think kevin i would love to see logan paul keep it i would love to see him

i'd love to see him keep it i like him like give him a run with that will let put there's no legitimacy on that u.s title belt that's true put some legitimacy on and let up look what they redid with the ic belt um screw face john and having a lot of hole what's up man and having a lot of holes and issues is probably why people don't like it some of roadhouse i think that it i think that i think that i think the fun thing isn't enough for people who spent their money. Is that what you're saying? Oh, Oh,

Ghostbusters. Okay. So it having a lot of holes in issues is probably why people don't like it. I think that it was fun thing isn't enough for people who spent their money on it. Both of you guys had issues that I can see other people not accepting, which is, which is fair. But again, uh, screw face the, the actual audience score, if you look at it, audiences seem to be enjoying money wise seems to done pretty well with audiences also.

So even, even people who say, that was fine seven out of ten i think that a lot of people that went to see it were like it wasn't great but it was fine and you didn't feel like you got screwed out of your money no pun intended um so i don't know but you make a lot of good points yeah isabel good evening i'm posting us on the behalf of my dad carlton rudder who is in italy nice that's amazing uh no question this week guys didn't want my vacation to stop me sending you too led to support that's right we'll tell you that thank you i hope you and i hope he's having an incredible italy holy moly that's very kind of you to do that and especially especially the fact that you're doing it from

italy through your uh your daughter of course i want a picture of you on the leaning tower carlton so the post afric that's please do that's that was very very kind to you carlton carlton's always showing his support here so that was awesome uh Alex elkins the critics fans hating on it because of the 2016 film i mean maybe i don't i don't i don't know who knows I mean, it's, I don't know. I have no idea. Okay, next one. Al Rensha, can't wait for Godzilla and Kong.

Seeing it twice, Scar King and Shimu will be a problem, but Kongs and Godzilla will team up with Mothra at the end. Sure. I mean, but that's if people, that's, I love the people who are excited for that side of it. It's like what I think everyone, this is the difference with this movie, though. If anybody comes out of this movie for this, we're so far into it.

I'm talking critics. Comes out of and goes, well, I could have really enjoyed it, but I just didn't give it a shit about the humans. Let me stop you right now. You're not going to care about any of the humans. All of the human,

I'm going to give you the beginning. I'll give you this part of the review of my out of the theater and a movie. I haven't even seen already. Well, I didn't care about any of the humans. I didn't care about any of them. I couldn't tell you anything about them.

I just saw the movie two hours ago. and I don't remember anything about them, but Kong wears a glove and punches some things in the face, and Godzilla gets, and he also gets on Godzilla's back and rides him. So that's why you go to the movie. That's it. That's why you go to this movie.

Yeah. So, yeah. Okay, let's keep going. So, yeah, I'm excited to see what people are going to, what people are going to feel about that movie. ranked these historical this is from benny ranked these historical epics benny hey benny screw you nothing against you betty that's from total recall

this one of my favorite arnold lines ever penny ranked these historical epic films gladiator troy kingdom of heaven the director's cut i haven't seen i haven't seen the directors cut and the last samurai brave heart lawrence arabia okay for So for me, Lawrence of Arabia, I saw in school a long time ago. I don't remember it well enough. I don't remember it well enough. But so I'm going to go Braveheart, number one, gladiator, number two.

And this is only because I haven't seen them in so long. I'll put Lawrence of Arabia up there at three because it's probably the right thing to say. And then I'll go last samurai at four, Troy at five, and Kingdom of Heaven. because I just never have seen. I saw bits and pieces of theatrical. Yeah. How about you? Yeah, I'd have to go, Lawrence of Rivia first,

probably gladiator second, Braveheart, Last Samurai, 300, yeah. Oh, 300. I forgot about 300. And then Troy, then Kingdom of Heaven. Yeah, 300 I would put probably before, and maybe after Last Samurai. Yeah.

All right, let's see. Ape Nation. Christian, we've been watching since I was a team. in the early schmose days. Holy mo. I'm almost 30. Holy moly. And recently started my own channel

and that started to do well. Congratulations, man. Just wanted to thank you for so many years or entertainment inspiration. Well, thank you for the very kind words. Thank you for a very kind donation. That's awesome.

And congratulations on the channel, man. I really appreciate that. That's really cool. I don't know if it was cool to tell me how old you were. But other than that. All right, let's see. Next one. This comes in.

Christian, my mom used to watch you. And now I started my new channel. right yeah i've got i've got now i have now i have five grandkids that watch you mike joyce what if scarjo plays a spy who infiltrates a doctor evil type organization that's being real dinals that are being set loose on the world the problem is that in the way that the series was going then that might be a very realistic plot yeah in the way that like the kivarro ones were going that was oh oof. So yeah,

Chris Daniel, Ghostbusters was fun to me and my boy loved it. I hope that if there's a third one, the four are young adults going on their own, where would you go with it? Well, I guess, yeah, at that point, I mean, this movie would probably do well enough to Warren a third movie. I think you've got to have Paul Rudd in there again, though, too. I think he adds

so much to it because there's only so much longer that the original guys are going to be able to do it, you know, at all. Oh, yeah, no. So I would definitely, I mean, you're going to look at, I mean, shit, Finn Wolfheart's already in his, he'll be in his early 20s.

And I think McKenna Grace is at least 16 now, so they'll be close, yeah. I'm telling you right now, Finn doesn't come back unless you make the role meteor. Yeah, it was barely in this one. So I think he doesn't come back unless you do more. I have to. I wouldn't be surprised. And so, but yeah, you could go forward with them. I think that's absolutely fun.

I think there is one more thing with Carrie Coon. They have to kind of solidify because of how her done. daughter was saying like you don't you're not even worthy of being a ghost butcher so I think they were laying a little bit of a groundwork for her to come through in the next movie and I think that's will wrap the parent thing up completely and you go off with them if you want to keep going with those four I would agree yeah I just got someone I got someone who just gave me a gave me a fake news comment it I'm hoping it's it's joking but it seems like

it's real again did Harloff seriously say Bryce Dallas Howard is a better actor than Johansson he's so biased because he had her on that podcast once sad once podcast on my podcast am I biased she doesn't know me she wouldn't even she probably didn't even remember who the fuck I am that's hilarious Bdh

Levi it seems that political views have bled into big box office films 100% and franchise films with all the trendy opinions for them do you think that we will see a rise in views for foreign and indie films I don't know I mean I think that you know it's is there's a real reason there's also foreign indie films well look at godzilla right i mean granted it was godzilla so that's helped sell it as well but i mean that that movie really picked up steam and it was one of the most

successful um foreign films i think ever right yes but it's also a commentary on on american influence on japanese culture so listen guys i i know i'm on the opposite side of christian on this but there have always been political views and films i've never seen a film No, no, no, we're not on the opposite pages. I said you agreed. I thought you said you agreed with his first sentence. He's talking about the discourse with how people in general have made it a political thing. Because there's always been political themes in movies.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What he's saying, what I've been saying for a while is you look at something like The Last Jedi, right? Last Jedi for some reason stopped being a movie about whether or not you thought it was good or bad. and it was a right versus left thing all of us oh yeah no i hate that that that's that's bled over more with and he's talking about like if a movie even if you haven't seen a movie that your political views will influence you whether or not you're going to shit on it whether you're going to i assume that's what he's saying i agree right but if he's saying like it's been more these political views are

going into films i think that's bullshit that's always been yeah and it shows that you really don't understand film the history of films you claim that only now uh directors and artists and studios are putting political messages in the movies they've been doing this since the nineteen fucking 20s do research yeah i i i wonder i wonder i wonder i'm not sure which way it's got because there's always been political but there but on the same on the same side of that though too there has been more on both sides, more agenda sides, more agenda pushed in film. There's been, I couldn't agree with you more that there's always been political themes and movies, only.

But there has been a little bit more. Sometimes people put things in there to appease people so they don't get in trouble and that they don't get, you know, yelled at it. And so it's, it does seem to be happening a little bit more, but it also doesn't, but I also think it's also an excuse for people sometimes to go, see, there it is again, when sometimes it isn't because it's like the X-Men. The X-Men 97 to me. Oh, my God.

Yeah. And it's still pushback. X-Men have always been, have always been political. The X-Men has always been and dealt with these things of not belonging and being different and the themes of like all these things that have been there. And people are all now, see, that's, they're just pushing the agenda now. And it's like, they'll work for this one, guys. Because X-Men's always been that way.

But then there's other times when it feels like, they're doing that just because they don't want to get yelled at Twitter. You can feel it. Like it's forced. I can't speak on that until we go specific ones. But I think I do sense that at times with certain things. Yeah. Yeah.

I'll disagree with that. Yeah. All right. Next one. Next one. Next one. Benny. Benny, screw you, Benny.

Screw you. Screw you. All right. Kenny, Christian, I went back to recently rewatch your old movie talk episodes with Schnep Ellis and yourself would kill it. Those are the best. Yeah, I had a blast with those guys, man. There were a lot of, I missed the big man for sure. We had, we, because I think that was one of the things.

The reason why Schnep and I got along as well as we did, and Ellis, obviously, is my best friends in the world, is that we, and we're one of the few back then, no offense to anybody, present company included, that didn't take movie news like we were reporting on CNN or Fox. or whatever the hell. We didn't treat it like it was the most important news in the world. It was like it was movie news and we'd fuck around and we would tell jokes and we'd crack jokes in the middle of it. And if it happened to go off a little bit too and it didn't like, this is the most serious stuff we're reporting on. It's like, no, it's not. It really isn't. And Schnepp and I would talk about that all the time. It's like we were passionate about it. We had fun about it, but we would fuck around. And I think that to me was the most fun because, Because sometimes you would just, it's like, guys, we're not trying to win a fucking Pulitzer here.

We're talking about, we're talking about superhero movies for fuck's sake. And that wasn't just there. That was like, that was everywhere. And I still see it even now. That's my point with the political stuff. Yeah. What are you yelling about? It's like, if you don't, if someone, and that's the whole point, I couldn't believe that somebody wrote that today after this whole conversation we had about, no, no, no, no, if you like it, you like it.

Just don't tell other people. And they're like, oh, you get man with no one likes your opinion. What the fuck are you talking about? It's the whole point. It's movies. Whatever you want, if you love something,

you love it, I can disagree with you and tell you, okay, well, I didn't feel that way about the movie. I thought it stinks. I thought it was great. But you're not wrong for you and I break each other balls about that shit all

the time. There's a part of movies that you're, you're 100% wrong about. I'm just going. Yeah. Anyway, let's see. What's next?

This is future millionaire. Good for you. I like that. Maxi. No question, but keep up with the good work, guys. Thanks, man.

My favorite, new, my new favorite Monday show is watching you guys live. Thank you. Yeah, people have been digging this show, man. I'm glad.

I'm glad that we would do it. We were doing it for a couple months now, John. I think we started the end of last year. Yeah. I believe so. So that's, yeah, it's been going on for a little bit.

Yeah, definitely the end of last year because we went through the holidays. I remember that. Right. That's for you. Yes, yes, Two-fly cam. A lot of people immediately screamed woke from the Ackleight trailer.

How can people call it woke just because there's women so ridiculous. Wookie Jedi. Well, the problem is now that that's going back to what we just said. Yeah. There are times, and I'm not saying this for Ackleid. As John and I were just talking about, there are times that things are forced. There are times that people are just trying to do things because they don't want to get yelled at it or they don't want to get in trouble. But the problem is that every single time you have a woman or you have a person in there and you have a person in there and you say,

say, well, it's woke. It's like, no one's going to take you serious anymore because you say it all the damn time, no matter what it is. And, and so, and I'm also acknowledging, though, that the studios definitely sometimes just go, well, we need to, like, and I've talked about this. Like, yeah, I don't know if this Kevin Feigy thing is true or not. And I lead with it by saying that it's very well, it just could be a rumor or just something that Jeff had heard and whether or not it's true or not, But the idea that if Kevin Feigy walked into that room for a fantastic four and said, the cast is too white. We have to cast somebody else for Reed.

That is the wrong way to do it. That is the wrong way to do it. It is a terrible, terrible way to do it. Now, the flip side of that is if he walked in and said, you know what I didn't think about yet? Pedro Pascal, we got him underneath the, we have him underneath the banner. He's interested. We can get him free of Mandelorian.

We can get him to it. He might be a great read. Richards. He's a great actor. Yeah. So there's there's a difference of of those two things of like what's your choice and why are you doing it. Right. Right. I mean, I do think, you know, Tesla Thompson said a few years ago that Figuy made a very clear decision that he wanted to be more inclusive and felt that the initial Marvel movies were two, two whites in terms of the amount of cast members that were white. So they wanted to be more inclusive and present these storylines and open the door to these storylines. I think there's nothing wrong with that.

That's why I don't believe you walked into a room. It's like, the cast is too white. Get me a person of color. I agree with you. I think that would be, that's tokenism. And that's not what people who speak about representation, that includes me, want. We want representation with the equality of good writing and good storytelling and good character development for that kind of thing.

That's why it frustrated me in multiverse of madness when you've got America coming in. did almost nothing to establish her. And it was a wasted character. That shouldn't have been a part of it. And that's not the kind of representation that I think we want now. In the past, it has been about let us into the films. Great. Now it's like, now you've got to write character because people are turning on these

situations if you don't flesh out these characters and give them good development. And then it becomes a feeling like, oh, they're just doing it to satisfy a certain amount of people. And that hurts both sides. Honestly, you know. Luke, the gamer. in star wars canon what has been said about sith history the the one that i think of is when um yoda was in i think it was the it was the second to find i think it was a penultimate season of

of uh home wars and he wanders into uh moriband and he and he says um and he sees the ghost of of dart bane and he said dark bean is the is the reason that the sith the rule of two and basically wiping out the sith and doing all that so he he was the one to kind of put him into hiding So that was the first acknowledgement of it. That came from like the Drew Carpician novel and all this other stuff. It came from the comics back in the Dark Horse Comics. So I don't know what that's the canon one. I don't know what else in the other books.

I stopped reading a lot of the books. So I don't know what else has been mentioned throughout it. Okay. Chris Jones saw Argyle. Woof. Vaughn is wasting his broader talents of the silliness in the comedy sponsor genre. Agreed. He needs to branch out and do something different.

Here, here. Yeah, I watched layer cake last night, like until one in the morning because it was on Pluto TV. I just had to have it on. And I was like, where is this Matthew Vaughn? I want this Matthew Vaughn to come back. Here is this guy. I don't know. I don't know.

A Cowboys fan, I need too. Hi, Roca, on your content, what Patreon tier would you recommend for someone who does not have that much money? And I noticed some things are changing. Yeah, I have a $5 tier where people can, we hang out once a month, or once a week, rather, on Discord, like an hour, hour and a half talking about things that are going on the of politics. I'm sorry, in the world of entertainment, Jesus Christ. In the world of entertainment, you got me thinking politics with the previous question. And that's what we hang out. It's a great crew. And that's a good one to join at. And you get some nice perks with that as well. So yeah. Okay. Wicked art, the great wicked art. Why can I ever find certain movies on streaming services,

especially when they own the rights to them? For example, Alien Covenant and the first Transformers isn't it? It's weird how that works. Isn't it? Like there's certain deals that they have and you probably have to buy them on like, like even like my daughter wanted to watch Mulan Rouge the other day. And so she, we had to rent it on Amazon. Yeah. So it's like, it's, it's weird how that, how that happens, but like there's certain like licensing deals. And I think that's how the studio is going to make more money now from just having them off of, instead of it being exclusive on their own platforms, licensing it out is how they're going to make more money on it. I also would encourage people like who are in this position to download these

apps to be and there's another app that you can get and they have they have surprisingly um they have surprising deals with these movies so you can watch them you just have to sit through the ads every 20 to 30 minutes so if you're willing to do that you can watch it for free so it isn't just on the streaming services there are certain apps that have deals for these movies and you can watch them on there so i recommend downloading them if you have like apple tv or rocou yeah Lucas hood question why they moved back to new york is it mad at that they're like LA, do you have comedy stories, comedy store stories with Annie Leatherman or Esther P.

I don't have any, any leaderman and Esther P after me, but as far as New York, definitely we're in the city, sure, but I'm not moving to Manhattan. Just to give you example, why gas here right now, $5.60 for regular, right?

Where I want to go, $3.25. Groceries significantly cheaper. rent significantly cheaper where i where i want to go in new york significantly cheaper so you hear in new york and you think of you know you think manhattan you think it's super expensive it is so expensive in los angeles right now it's ridiculous i want to be able to eventually get a house for my for my family can't do that out here it's ridiculous it's the housing market is is garbage at l a l a l a's turning into a shit pool to be honest it's it's a real it's a real piss pot that's why i got out three years ago man I saw all the trend happening and I was like I got it out of here dirtier it's like it's it kind of sucks to be honest with you I know it's hard

It sucks every time I drive into the city. I'm like fuck yeah Bobby Jackson Hey guys I got to say there's so much good stuff out but I love show gun and everything else I'll miss it when it's so yeah I'm I got I got to I'm gonna say it every time I got to watch got to watch can I say guys if you are watching showgun Please watch our reviews on the outlaw nation channel Steve Morris and I Steve's a big James Clevel guy he knows the non novel. So he tells you what the difference is between the novel and the show when you're watching our reviews. So it's a good, I would highly recommend it for you all. Amarda, have you guys seen a movie monster calls thoughts? Which one is that?

So, Liam Neeson, playing the monster. The tree? Is that the, the Jay Bayona one? Yeah. Yeah, I did see it. I remember liking it. I remember people really hyped it up when it came out and I thought it was good. Yeah, not great. I agree. But I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it since. I saw it in the theater and that was the last time I saw it. So yeah.

Wicked art. I mean, the whole reason I subscribe to streaming services is for the full library, but a lot is just missing all the time. Yeah, I think that's going to change now, man. I think because of the,

because of the streaming kind of decline, because there was so much competition that they're going to have, they're going to license stuff out to places now because they can't, they can't succeed without doing that. So I think that's going to be a big, I think that's, that's unfortunately going to be a thing that happens. Almost all the Warner Brothers stuff is on Netflix now.

Yeah, it's everywhere. Corey Gallup. Hey guys, just watched poor things recently and it was so good. Love it. It felt like a very West Anderson style film. Roka, did you see it? Thoughts. Yeah, I saw it again last week because it's on Hulu now.

And so it was anatomy of a fall. If you guys have missed that one, that's a great one. But yeah, I watched it again. Christian, I love this movie. It is becoming possibly my second or third favorite film of 2020. It's so good. Ruffalo is great. Ruffalois laugh out loud, laugh out loud funny.

Absolutely. His fucking stupid dance that he does. He's so good in that movie. It's his best performance. Also, Willem Defoe is low-key hilarious. Yeah. They all are. It's a funny movie.

Like, well, when my father was, you know, burning my testicles and telling me, and I'm like, what the fuck? It's a very funny movie. It's a very funny movie. Beautiful shot, too. Beautifully shot. Yeah. Armada.

Have you guys seen the gentleman Netflix show? It's not bad, but I think that the leads feel a bit one-dimensional character-wise the older brother's great i haven't seen have you watched you john i had two friends who've seen it and they told me it starts out great and then it becomes a caricature by the end so it almost wasn't worth it to watch the series so makes it i don't think i'll watch it amata follows up with what what streaming service do you think godzilla minus one will come out i would assume apple right yeah maybe it will release physical or digital soon since godzilla and congs right around the corner it would make sense i mean i'm i'm going to buy that movie i'm absolutely going to buy

that movie 100% i hope it comes with the black and white version too i feel like apple would would would would buy that i would assume um that could be it i'm double checking as we're going through oh no steve s hey guys low all your shows christian would you go on the cinephiles and what film and what film that's at least 10 years old would you pick um well it's hard for me and john and i've talked about this too because especially right now with everything i get going on it's very hard for me to guest on other shows at the moment too it's just because i have this i run this thing by myself I don't have and I have and plus I got all this other shit coming up in my life that I got to try to handle it's hard for me to go on other shows. But if I did, I'd probably I'd probably visit Braveheart.

Have you guys done Braveheart? We did do Braveheart, but there's other stuff I think we can do with like we've never done usual suspects. Oh, okay. Usual suspects with you would be a lot of fun. It's a multi-hour show. And as Christian said, he is super busy. So it's not one of the ones we can lock him down. But every once in a while, he does pop up on geek buddies.

Yeah. Yeah. Luke Skywanker. Do you think David Dalsmouch will be up for Oscars? No, but it's nothing against David Delsmaltz. Obviously, he's fantastic in the movie. And for those people who didn't know, I just had him on the big thing last Thursday, the full up, full interviews up there.

David's one of my favorite people in the world. It was a great conversation. He's fantastic in the movie. I really enjoyed the film overall. I just think for the genre of the movie that it's in and the time when it's coming out, it's going to be hard. I would love to see it. I just don't think it's realistic.

Have you seen the movie yet, John? The devil one? Yeah, the late night with the devil. Yeah, no, I have not seen that one yet, but I do plan on seeing it. And I also think he won't get nominated because, I mean, there's one of those smaller horror films that unfortunately the academy has as much attention to. And I think the AI controversy might kind of, you know, keep people away from it, which is unfortunate. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

He's pretty. And he addressed it. He's very honest about, which I don't think that AI thing is going to keep anybody away from the theater because, again. I mean, for voting. I mean, for voting, you know. For voting, voting, maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

Maybe. Yeah. Okay, Tom talks films. Ghostbusters made an awesome comeback after 2016. I mean, you can't argue with that, whether you like it or not. I mean, it was that everybody thought of the franchise was toast. Yeah. Yeah, this is true. The movie apparently made like 66666, 666.

And that's not, that that's a marketing. Philly G just a $10 super sticker. That's it. We did it. Thank you, Philly. Guys, I want to thank you for joining us here today. Appreciate it. A nice, long, supersized show.

I want to thank John for being here. and sticking with us for the show. John, before you get out of here, where can they find you? Yeah, you find me at the Rokas on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. And as I said earlier, my YouTube channel at YouTube.com slash John Roka says. I would love to get to 50,000 subscribers in this calendar year. We're at 30, almost at 33. So come aboard and enjoy the content we do there on the channel. We'd love to have you YouTube.com slash John Roker says and the podcast there, the Cineophiles, the geek buddies, and the hot mic.

They're all that for you all to enjoy. Thanks, guys. Thanks, good to see you on a Monday. Thanks, Christian. Take care, brother. All right. Thank you to John. Thank you guys. So hit that button, man. Subscribe to the channel. If you haven't done that already, we have a lot coming on this week. Man, as I told you guys, you got the Kong versus Kong and Godzilla, I guess. I don't think the out of the theater will be allowed to come out until Thursday, I believe.

I'm going to see it on Wednesday. If there's any other trailers, they'll actually be able to review them this time around or react to them. Anyway, I have the Riley makes his return on UAP Tuesday, tomorrow so you can check that out we have the regular crew coming back to do the shows this week so i'm glad that you guys are with us as i mentioned if you can and you want to support the show please one of our sponsors it's linked in the description it's always the pin comment if you're able to and you want to try them out and tell me about it dm leave a comment do whatever you want to do and let me know which ones you got and if you liked it thanks for joining us here again thank you to

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