The Kristian Harloff Show - Guardians of the Galaxy 3 Non Spoiler Discussion

Episode Date: April 29, 2023

See us in person tonight in Burbank! http://www.thekristianharloff.com The last movie in the Guardians of the Galaxy franchise hits theaters soon and we had an early look at it. We give our non spoile...r thoughts on the new James Gunn movie. We also discuss a quick thought on The Flash movie that Kristian was able to see and we talk about Comic Book Movie .com list on who should play John Stewart in the Lanterns series for DC.  Join Kristian, Winston A Marshall and Coy Jandreau on Big thing Capoes and Cowls!  #MCU #Marvel #Guardians #Theflash #DC #DCU  ATHLETIC GREENS: http://www.athleticgreens.com/bigthing This episode brought to you by BETTER HELP! BETTER HELP: http://www.betterhelp.com/bigthing OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-big-thing-kh-channel?ref_id=27393 FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg

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Starting point is 00:00:26 Cummage is a registered trademark of Cummins, Inc. Graham and Hemmy are registered trademarks of FCAUS LLC. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to Big Thing, Capes and Cal's. Yep, we're all in studio, everybody. And we're going to talk about Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3, non-spoiler. There will be no spoilers at all in this one.
Starting point is 00:00:44 I'll talk about what I can with the Flash. Again, that's still under a lot of embargo. Just social embargo is up. That's about it. I'll give basically my thoughts what happened there. Green Lantern. there's this comic book movie list that we like to go over, the potential casting for John Stewart that we're going to get into,
Starting point is 00:01:03 see if we agree, disagree with their potential list. James Gunn had some comments. There's some stuff with Aquaman going on. That and more on today's show. So we hope that you're going to be excited the way we're excited about it in general because the whole crew is going to be here. And speaking about the whole crew being there, man, oh man, please tell me you're going to be there tonight if you're able to.
Starting point is 00:01:24 If you're like, ah, I live in Burbank, but I don't know if we need a ticket. Shame on you. Because this is going to be an amazing, amazing show. We're going to have so much fun. We were just talking about throwing bits back and forth about what's happening. Coy Chandra, host in the stand-up portion of the show.
Starting point is 00:01:37 Winston A. Marshall, Brett Sheridan, Kate Mulligan, myself are going to be on the stand-up portion. And then Steph, Mike, Roxy, you're going to be joining. The Big Thing crew will be doing a live show tonight. But don't fret. Yep, I said fret. And don't you fret. If you...
Starting point is 00:01:52 Man, I wanted to see this show. The Christianharlof.com. Get yourself a live. stream ticket. If you don't, shame on you. All right. Let's get into it, everybody. It's capes and cows. I'm ready. You're ready. Let's do it. What's up, everybody? Welcome back. It's capes and cows. It's a big thing. It's me. It's coy. Yeah. Crutches McGillicuddy is here. What's up, Crutches? We are back, everybody. It's the capes and cows crew. We
Starting point is 00:02:27 are back in town. And man, we are fresh off of Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3. And in the non-spoiler review, as we do know that the non-spoiler embargo has left that I have a review up on my channel that went up this morning. Me too. Nice. Good for you.
Starting point is 00:02:43 I have a short. You're not you're an average. Yeah. Oh, over the day. I close to my... Christian, the funniest thing in the world is us trying to get into your gate today. Oh! Because I can't stand, and he can't reach. So I got to... Please tell me you tried to hoist them up, but you can't really hold it.
Starting point is 00:03:00 I kind of spotted him and like it was a jerk. Because I had to like kind of lean and reach. Is that why the cops were here? Pretty much. They were like, hey, it looks like that crippled black dude and that random leopardon. Why is Connor McGregor helping on Rashid Wallace? And the way that's trying to break into Dane Cooks House. They're trying to bring up nice for Dane Cook's house.
Starting point is 00:03:19 Oh my goodness. Unbelievable. Anyway. That's the show tonight, folks. Yeah, we're back. We're back. See, exactly. You're going to see.
Starting point is 00:03:25 I mean, that's what I love about the night show. people were wondering how it's going to work because Brett was inaccurately telling them wrong information he's like, because what we did for the after party that we had, we'll do more after parties for people to know on thechristianharloff.com, what we did during that Zoom period was like,
Starting point is 00:03:41 oh, you know what, I'm going to put Winston on with Steph and Mike because he doesn't really ever talk Star Wars with us, and then I'm going to take Koi and put him on the big thing. That's fun for after party, and we'll be doing that for after party, even live. But for the live show in person, I want people to see,
Starting point is 00:03:56 the shows that they know. And I want people to see... You know what they pay for. Like, you expect this. Yeah, I mean, I'm not telling you that they wouldn't want to see that mix and matching, but that's exclusive for like the after party stuff. The, the, like, if I'm going, you know what? I watch the big thing, but I really love capes and cows. Well, you're going to see me, Winston and Koi tonight
Starting point is 00:04:12 on stage for like a good 15, 20 minutes, and you're going to see me and Steph and Mike on stage for a good 15, 20 minutes. And you're going to see me and Roxy and Brett and Kate on stage for a good 15, 20 minutes. I mean, in the way that, like, you know, when you go and see a Marvel movie, we're about to talk about guardians. I mean, you don't go for the post-credit scene.
Starting point is 00:04:29 You go for the movie. The post-credit scene is a little added bonus. Yeah, nobody was complaining about. Nobody was complaining about it. No, no, no, for sure. I just wanted to short, because people, I don't think people were clear on it or knew what it was. And then obviously, starting with the stand-up portion of it and leading into it.
Starting point is 00:04:42 It's going to be a lot of fun. I'm excited for people to see it. So check us out tonight. All right, last night, we all got a chance to see Guardians of the Galaxy, Volume 3. Winston and I saw it at a separate screening. Corey went to the premiere and I'm coy I know everyone I have two working legs
Starting point is 00:05:00 I said no thank you We all have different approaches to this town We all go to this town Differently and how we I want to thank you for something Yes talking over when he said I have white privilege I just trying to make sure that I was the one I just there's no surviving this
Starting point is 00:05:19 There's just no There's a funny thing is it's like I'm clearly joking but there's 10% of the internet about stuff like that, but I guarantee you someone's gonna flip me of course he's gotta be yeah, yeah, he's hilarious. Sorry to being clipped?
Starting point is 00:05:30 No, no, what I hope in the majority of people who tune is like, thank God they're all back together. Yeah, this is what I wanted. Well, I saw that, I saw that about it when we're not in studio together is we still have the chemistry and stuff too,
Starting point is 00:05:41 but it's just something, and again, bringing up tonight, there's just something about being in person and talking in person and having that kind of back and forth and I'll tell you, man, like, you guys know when it comes to Guardians that I have, like the first, you guys always put the guardian, I think you both put like
Starting point is 00:05:58 Guardians one in like your top ten. I've never put it in there for me. I've always liked the first one. I've always thought the first one was handled really well. I think it was done masterfully in bringing in a property. No one knew and turning them into household names now. I think it was done very well. And they progressed in each thing that they were in. But I was never, for me, it was always, whether it was Ironman or Winter Soldier or you're Captain America or the classics were the ones that I always
Starting point is 00:06:26 responded to and even the movies themselves. Like, this movie, the third movie, not only do I think is my favorite out of the three, I have to see it again because of a recency bias. It's one of my favorite Marvel movies that I've seen in a very long time. I yesterday
Starting point is 00:06:42 said that it's the best since No Way Home. I think it's the best since Endgame. Wow. I think that there's a, I love No Way Home. I love No Way Home. This movie, you know what the number one word is for me in this movie? And then I want to get you guys' thoughts on it.
Starting point is 00:06:57 Focus. The movie had focus. It didn't rely on multiverse stuff. Again, there's going to be no spoilers. I'm just telling you, like, it was a very focused Guardians of the Galaxy. Let's wrap this up. Let's go home. And I think they did it brilliantly.
Starting point is 00:07:13 And I haven't really talked to you guys. I saw your social media reactions. But Winston, let's start with you, man. What did you think? I thought it was incredible. I thought this has officially become my favorite, Roy said something similar, my favorite trilogy of the MCU.
Starting point is 00:07:25 I think it's just too well-rounded because, like, I think about Captain America, and while Winter Soldier was, like, fluctuating between my top one and top three movies of the MCU, the other two, while I really love Civil War, it didn't, there's ones that beat it out. And then First Avengers is a good movie, but it can chill.
Starting point is 00:07:46 I don't really care. All three of these, movies I love and this one I always feel it's so hard to stick the landing. I think the hardest thing to do is not necessarily the opening one because if you've got enough to make a trilogy you clearly did a good job and then the second one
Starting point is 00:08:00 yeah you kind of got to get back in the mix but sticking the landing and be like we're done with this now. This is this is it and wrapping it all up in a bow and feel like you went on a journey with these characters and they've gone through their character arcs. This was a master class. It honestly was. It was because, Coy, I think what it did very
Starting point is 00:08:16 well with my biggest gripe when I and you guys know I've come around more so on volume two but my biggest grip that I still have with volume two is I think that James Gunn came up with a lot of great jokes and they're jokes that majority of time land my problem with it is that he's like
Starting point is 00:08:32 you know I have a joke right now but someone just did a joke so that person's going to have a joke and now that person is going to have a joke and then that person's going to have a joke and it's a lot it's very it's way more balanced than comedy when the emotion hits it hits yes but it's
Starting point is 00:08:46 It's way more balanced in comedy, overbalanced in comedy, than it is with emotion. This, to me, is the perfect balance because when the humor hits, it's supposed to. Right. And not all the jokes work, but that's okay. And it's subjective. And then the emotion behind it, you see in the trailer with the backstory with Rocket and how they explore that and the family aspect of it, how the guardians have evolved in general. And I know you've always been a fan, but I am a massive fan, especially after this movie, and how to much I've come around since movie one is Nebula.
Starting point is 00:09:19 I think this, I'm not saying it's my favorite Marvel film, my favorite MCU film, but I think this, I love your word focus, is the most finely tuned Marvel film. And I think Winter Soldier is right there nipping at its heels, but there is this incredible
Starting point is 00:09:34 sense of awe that takes you on for two hours and 20 minutes, and that awe is punctuated, like beautiful grammar with heightened joy or heightened trauma. And so you're experiencing this incredible amoeba of emotion where you're just like
Starting point is 00:09:49 fluctuating and it's traumatic but I left so bereft and so happy and I think that is so unique and I go to art to experience emotion and this is the magic of a quality movie I'm not even saying quality Marvel movie a quality movie you leave change
Starting point is 00:10:05 and this entire experience I started crying 20 minutes in and it was like I broke the seal at a bar I kept peeing out of my eyes I cried throughout this movie well Winston that was the thing man like the emotion in this, as I said, with the balance of it all, was really special because it wasn't, it wasn't like they weren't trying to make you cry. It was because it all made sense. And everybody had something to do. Yes. That's what so genius. Yeah, everybody had something to do in it. And it's like,
Starting point is 00:10:32 I look at it like where I've always, and I still feel this way, that television gives you an opportunity to really explore if you use it well over the course of seven or eight episodes to dive deep into a story. Now, again, there are a lot of things I liked about the Mandalorian this season, but one of my biggest gripes was that the episodes were too short. They didn't spend enough time developing anybody, and they kind of wasted the opportunity in television to do that. This movie, at two hours and 20 minutes, did the exact opposite. They were able to have a big spectacle, and they were able to, you know, emotion. But I got to that, to that point, I think that that lends itself to the fact that we've seen them in two of their own individual movies,
Starting point is 00:11:12 That's right. They've been built before. That's right. It's not brand new. And a holiday special. So you had enough, literally this is Act 3. So we're rounding everything out here. I just love the fact that this really,
Starting point is 00:11:27 if you're trying to figure out who the main character of this movie is, the main character of this movie, a thousand percent is Rocket. I think the first one, even though obviously Star Lord, all that kind of stuff, I think the first one, the main character is Morga Mora, if I think about it. I think the second one is definitely Starlord because of his relationship with his father and sorting all that.
Starting point is 00:11:46 And I think this one is Rocket. And it was so interesting to figure that out because all the characters needed to evolve, but all the characters needed to go on set arc. Those three seem to be the three that were the most lost. Gamora being lost in the fact that like being the daughter of Thanos and how she has issues with him and issues with her sister. Star Lord, like who is my family? And then Rocket, who has rejected the world and we get to see why in this movie and how. and how that all comes to fruition.
Starting point is 00:12:12 I just thought that this was just so beautifully done. I agree with you. I think that the thing is the only pushback I do maybe just a little is that I think it is Rocket Story, and I do think the Guardians are the stars of this movie in general, like the main characters of the movie because without giving spoilers, but I do think the main story is, you see what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:12:32 I'll put it to you this way, the way that Infinity War while being called Avengers Infinity War is a Phanos movie. This is, so while the people were following the Avengers, the main character was Thanos, it's kind of the same thing here. While the people were following are the Guardians. The story is about, is about Rocket. In speaking of Thanos, I do want to give some flowers to, I think, one of the best comic book villains.
Starting point is 00:12:52 Thank you. I was going to say that, yeah. I was so impressed that this is easily my favorite guardian villain, but what he's able to do in being captivating and menacing and big and contained and so hateable and so comicky. I think this is maybe the most comic book movie that lands. Sometimes you make something too comic booky
Starting point is 00:13:15 and it doesn't work. Sometimes you try to make it too self-serving and too isolated. It doesn't work. This is somehow vibrant and big and the villain is very much a comic book villain. But since you're so invested in these characters because you've had them in six movies, I'm counting infinity or an end game there,
Starting point is 00:13:31 you really, I'm not counting 11thender, you really have the ability to have the villain do a lot, but you're so invested in your leads, that he's able to balance that. I love his idea. I love the way he goes about what his plot is. I love the way they use him in ways that are so heart-wrenching that the trauma of the movie is just like exponentially increased.
Starting point is 00:13:51 Was it just you or were you sitting here as the High Evolutionary was doing this thing that I was out here being like, man, I wonder how Pete is going to respond to this movie. Because like, it is brutal what happened. I'm glad that, again, I'm not going to get into what happens because it's non-spoiler, but like Rocket really is an experiment and it's about how the high evolution it is. That's how that's the same thing with High Evolutionary if you know the character. He rips people apart because he feels like he's the one that can make the perfect universe. Also and again, I think that Koi probably avoided it because I'm messing up the pronunciation as well.
Starting point is 00:14:23 I said he. Yeah, Chuck, Chuck Woody I was a which we as met with, look, people are going to tell us how to pronounce it and you should. because after this movie and by the time we get the spoilers we won't be ever again he is fantastic in this movie he's really good I only had one issue with the character
Starting point is 00:14:43 and I think and I said as much in my non-spoiler and I don't think it's his fault I think that it is a James Gunn note and I think James Gunn did a masterful job directing this he screams too much he screams too much and I know he's angry
Starting point is 00:14:56 but there's a time where he's like he's so menacing when he's not screaming he is so just the way he just articulates his point of the thing he's getting across and the way that he does it and then there's a certain time it's like I predicted it at one point
Starting point is 00:15:11 I'm like he's gonna yell again and he yelled and I'm like er you need to he didn't need to I get what you're saying I think why I was it hurt at all though no no no I feel you I think why it didn't bother me is only because it's very clear that he was already insane
Starting point is 00:15:24 he's insane but but the minute no surprise that Rocket obviously is not in his possession anymore he's been rolling with the guardians for five movies. Yeah, again, not spoilers. Yeah, it's not a spoiler. But either way,
Starting point is 00:15:36 he's losing his mind. Right. He's literally, he went from somebody who was already insane to literally now his ego's gone so unchecked. I understand why
Starting point is 00:15:45 every time he feels like he's being slated. It goes to a different level. I understand. I understand. It's such a minor gripe. I gave this movie a 4.8 out of 5. Yeah, I gave it a 4.9.
Starting point is 00:15:54 He's not my beef. No, he's not. Warlord. I think we're all pretty close on this one. This is the first time I think. I'm between a 4.8 and 4.9 as well, and I think we're all in the same page of glory. Warlock, to me, I think that, I think that Will Poulter did a good job.
Starting point is 00:16:10 For what he was told to do, it was just so off. That's exactly right. For what he was told to do. And I remember, again, the late great John Schnepp telling me about Warlock and how, who's cast has him, who's he going to be? Oh my God, I can't wait to see him. So I was so hyped by it. And he's just kind of there in the background. He doesn't really have much to do.
Starting point is 00:16:33 Correct me if I'm wrong, because I haven't read a whole lot of Adam Warlock stories. I mainly read the ones with, like, the Infinity Gauntlet and stuff like that. So he's not that stupid and that goofy. And I felt like there was this idea of trying to force him to fit the parameters of the guardians, but where that doesn't work for me is Gomorrah is never stupid, and neither is Nebula. They might have their flaws, but, like, they can be the smart ones in the room and still deal and act like A-holes. I just to have him play The tone of the character was off for you
Starting point is 00:17:03 So on the spoiler talk I'm excited to dive into that But the actual comic things Because things worked and things didn't But I definitely want to be I want to tread lightly on his character But one of the interesting things that happened last night Was I shameless name drop talking to Jim Starlin
Starting point is 00:17:15 Jim Starlin and I were talking about the character Because he wrote a lot of the best stuff with Warlock So we like who else would you rather find out what their take is He was saying that at first It bothered him and then something shifted and that's what I'm excited to talk about, because I do understand that gripe, and I do think that will be a lot of people's problem, but I do think there's a shift that happens that without comic knowledge, you might not feel,
Starting point is 00:17:38 and I think that's an element. I'm excited that I've been doing spoilers, but I don't disagree from a, this is the movie, and you shouldn't have to have read comics to get the movie. So I don't disagree, but I do think there is an element that does work when you know the character. It does seem like that kind of gripe is the biggest one with Warlock. Oh, wait, is someone on the phone? Hey, bitch. Me? No, not you.
Starting point is 00:18:00 Who? Man, that guy was name dropping all the damn time. Big balls, how did you even get in here? Man, I've been sitting watching you guys listening underneath the table, you bitch-ass trick. Hey, hey, hey, stop that. You stop it. Oh, let me guess. Coy, you end up you talk to, hey, James Cun, who's directing Brave and Bold and all that kind of stuff.
Starting point is 00:18:20 Oh, James Gunn, James Gunn don't know who you are, you kind of McGregor Star, mother. Hey, hey, hey, hey. He gave me the job. I'm directing Batman, Baby, Babe, the Bull. All I had to do was ask. I was really afraid this big balls dude was going to drop an M-bomb, and I was going to have to dive under the cable. He's gone.
Starting point is 00:18:36 He eats what's going on here, and he takes off, stupid squirrel. Sorry, Coy. He's really, he's really a scumback. Anyway, so we had an opportunity. We saw that movie. That was the non-spoiler of it all. I think we want to tread lightly on anything else, too. But it's good, man.
Starting point is 00:18:53 It's really good. And I think the length of the movie, 220 or whatever it is, it doesn't feel it. And if you are able to see it in IMAX. But not in the handicap, bro. Oh, my God. Oh, I'm sure. That was tough. It is, it's shot in IMAX.
Starting point is 00:19:07 It feels like it just, it works. I took my daughter with me, and she was just, her eyes as she's watching this whole thing happened. And it was just, it's beautifully shot. There's a great, and again, not spoiling, there's a great music sequence with a song that I think is overused in movies. But plays here better than others. But plays really, really well.
Starting point is 00:19:26 And you'll know it when you hear it. redeemed that song for me. Like, I love the song, but in movies, I'm like... It was just using a song in a movie like two weeks ago that I saw. But anyway... What? Yeah, we'll tell you afterwards. But let's, you know, we'll switch over to some sponsors here.
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Starting point is 00:23:27 All right, I will say, You know, it was funny, let's switch about the other big topic, and that was moving around a lot in the comic book space movie-wise, and that was The Flash, right? So I wasn't planning on going to cinema con. Like, at one point, I got approved for the press. I'd ask Winston to come with me, I said, Corey was going to try to come,
Starting point is 00:23:44 and it just didn't work out for us. And I was like, I don't know if I'm going to be able to make it. Plus, we had this live show coming up. We had the Guardians thing. I'm like, I don't know if I'm able to do freaking Sunday night and come back Thursday. I just don't know. Plus, I don't want to sleep on my couch.
Starting point is 00:23:57 and my wife is not happy about me going as much as I am, so is it worth it? Then they said, you know, we're screening on the flash on Tuesday, and I said to myself, can I realistically, realistically, there you go, realistically get myself to Vegas for the night and fly back the same night. I was going to do that. Couldn't necessarily do that,
Starting point is 00:24:18 but I found like a really cheap room at Planet Hollywood, and I had a flight credit that I had on United. So even though it was like in the morning, it was a delayed flight, which wasn't that bad. It was like an hour and a half delay, but it was, but it only take.
Starting point is 00:24:34 What time was the screening? Well, the screening wasn't until, like, 4.35 o'clock. So you were okay. I just thought that I'd be able to, yeah, I thought I was going to be able to get there to see the Warner Brothers panel, which started at like 930,
Starting point is 00:24:46 because my flight was 815. I would have gotten into Vegas 930. Zazloff was, you know, talking to steam out of his mouth for wherever he was for the beginning of it, and they didn't start showing the presentation stuff. I would, If I got there on time, I would have been able to make the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:25:00 But it was delayed, so I didn't. And it was like, okay, so I get to, so stupid, I get to the freaking place. And they said in the email, there's convention center for Caesar's Palace, which is right off, right past the actual Caesar's Palace. So I go there and I go, where's this room that they need, that I'm, look, whatever the name of the room was. And I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. It's like, cinema con. He's like, oh, cinema con. I'm like, how does this guy not know?
Starting point is 00:25:26 I'm like, that's bad news. If he doesn't know the cinema, so then I ask another guy, no clue. I was like, what the hell's going on? So then, stupid-ass me, I had a radio interview that was scheduled, and the phone rings. I think it's the press people,
Starting point is 00:25:38 and they're like, hey, we're waiting for you. I'm like, oh, my God, moron myself. I'm like, I booked it. So I'm sitting outside Cesar's now on the phone doing an interview with Sports Byline, who are the best, and I'm promoting the show on Friday. And then I'm like, where the hell do I go?
Starting point is 00:25:52 So I'm running back, and we're finally like, no, it's in Caesars. And I talked to Jermaine Lucier, who helped me out and I went and I went to Caesars and I finally and I check in nicest people ever, the people with the press. So I get it and there's like a half an hour left of the Warner Bros. panel. So I don't do it. And I was like, it's fine.
Starting point is 00:26:09 So this is the difference between me today and me at 30. So I used to go, my buddy who has since passed away was a booker at these clubs and he would fly myself out and when I was working at Warner Bros. I was there all the time. Yeah. Like sometimes weekly, right, in Vegas. And Compt and all that. It was amazing.
Starting point is 00:26:30 And I would, and I wouldn't go to sleep until four in the morning. And I would, I had no money, and I would leave with no money. Because I would find a way to be more debt for gambling. And the way you should be in Vegas. This was the most boring Vegas trip. Wow. That I ever had. Wow.
Starting point is 00:26:45 And I loved it. Wow. I'll tell you what. Adulhood. Exactly. So I get there. And everybody is like, Oh, who's drinking?
Starting point is 00:26:53 Who's doing this and this? I found a little restaurant on the strip, and I had a brown rice salmon bowl with a bear, and I enjoyed myself in the sun, and then I waited. I watched the flash trailer. I did my reaction to it, and then it got uploaded,
Starting point is 00:27:12 and then I went to the screening really, really early, hung out with Juju, watched the screening. Then I had dinner with Jeff Snyder. And then after that, people are texting me, are you coming out to gamble? Are you drinking? I said, nope.
Starting point is 00:27:28 I walked to planet Hollywood. Saw somebody in a G-string that shouldn't have been in one. And then I went to sleep at 10.45 and got on the plane. It was wonderful. Enjoyed myself in the sun as the single most adult man in Vegas. I was like, I don't know if he's more old man or cats. Because he was just like, I found a sun spot.
Starting point is 00:27:47 I just tucked in and had my salmon in the sun like a cat. Do you want to come play with this? No. Get lost. 100% when I want to. And I had no regrets because I got it because I knew. Here's what I knew. Because when I got home on Wednesday morning, when I got home Wednesday morning,
Starting point is 00:28:04 I knew that my day was going to continue. Yeah. And I knew that there are other things happening and I need to be, I need to be on it. So like it was. I ran into Jeff Snyder after I saw you at that bar. That went. I ran to him on Saturday at a bar.
Starting point is 00:28:17 And then like as soon as he left, not five minutes after I saw you leave, Jeff came in. I was like it's a rotating schmode. And I never seen anybody out. That was a depressing night out just real quick. Just because, like, again, since I have to balance wherever I go, I don't drink unless I bring the wheelchair because if I'm drunk and I fall, that's a rat, bro. I can't break the other leg. You can't do it. Well, you can.
Starting point is 00:28:40 You just don't want to. It's a choice. But, yeah, I never see Jeff out. How's he doing? He's doing good. And we, well, we had, he had, and I guess we can kind of go into what we can talk about with the Flash. you know it's like his tweet was he was he's hilarious on this on this oh i saw his tweet he just basically said what's going on is everybody love this movie everybody he's like nobody had any of the
Starting point is 00:29:01 issues and he told me like again without getting spoilers we talked about a lot of his issues were legit and i understand where he was coming from some of the issues too i didn't agree with everything that he was saying but there was one particular thing again i can't dive into because of spoilers that he had a major issue with that i pushed back significantly because i think that he he probably would disagree, but I think he missed what it really was about. And what I will say is this inside of my social reaction, the same thing that I said.
Starting point is 00:29:33 The movie is very well-paced. It, to me, is one of the best DCEU movies. I think it's hyperbole that it's one of the best superhero movies of all time, and I think it's even, to me, it does not touch the Nolan trilogy at all. But it's a very good movie. I think that for this conversation, we're just talking about performances
Starting point is 00:29:55 inside of what the people inside, nothing outside of performances and movies. Ezra Miller inside of this performance is really, really good in the performance. The, you know, you guys know from the trailer plays two roles. What I think he does that I think Zach Levi did terribly was that he plays
Starting point is 00:30:16 an 18-year-old convincingly. I, hey man, you'd be proud of me. I watched your review. Oh, thanks, me. So I knew you were going to say that. I was like, so you're just going to repeat yourself? 100%. That's what you're allowed to do right now.
Starting point is 00:30:29 It's the only thing I can't say right now. And inside of that stuff, though, like it's, and what I will say is that when I was looking at, I didn't know if I was annoyed, and I was annoyed by Ezra Miller's performance in part of it, but you're supposed to be. I found there's less spoilers than I feared because of the embargo. I've actually been a good job.
Starting point is 00:30:49 I've muted enough words that I haven't seen any, but it's been really frustrating knowing the timing when this comes out is going to be really messy for WB because it's going to be two waves of hype. And I really hope that I want this to do well. So I'm hoping there's another wave of push of this. So I hope they start doing press screenings like a week out. Because right now it's like an ebb and flow situation. Dude, this was an industry.
Starting point is 00:31:10 Well, there was a couple spoilers that I was able to glean out of context of other people complaining. And I'm hoping there's a wave of press where we can all just like experience the movie to talk about it again. I mean, once you get the actual all-media screenings. Yeah, they'll be coming. It's just like I want that way because right now it's just I feel like I have to avoid talking about it as opposed to like being excited about people seeing it.
Starting point is 00:31:31 I see you're saying. Yeah, it's also, I get it. And it's also that week that it comes out. It's only game in town because it's going to, and then there's nothing really coming out that week that's going to, and then Indiana Jones doesn't come out for another two weeks after. Because May is crazy. May is stacked.
Starting point is 00:31:45 Guardians is going right into Little Mermaid and one other way. Fast the Furies is the week after. Yeah. Little memories at the end of the month. So here's my question because I was just, I was talking to Kristen about this as we left the screening, which she loved it at this point. It's been kind of like pulling teeth to get her to watch the MCU
Starting point is 00:32:02 and it's not because she's like, no, they're good movies. There's a lot, which can be overwhelming. And she's not a huge action person. Yeah. So she really, really loved this trilogy. If Chris Pratt doesn't do anything wrong, he would be doing correctly with, Jonathan Majors, unfortunately, didn't pan out based off of, like, the idea where he, what, did Ant Man, which even though Ant Man didn't do exactly what we wanted, it was still number one for, like, at least a week or two. And then Creed came out right after, right? So it's the same thing where Super Mario hit a billion and is still rolling, and then this is about to drop. And so he's literally just playing against himself again, which is crazy if he, you know, if this guy's not even necessarily even playing against himself as much anymore because of two reasons, right? The first is that by the time this does.
Starting point is 00:32:48 hit the theater Mario will be like what four or five weeks in the theater yeah and the other thing is it's still this movie is not for anyone under 10 years old it really is not pretty violent and and dark at times like even like my my and a lot of people were tearing up but my my daughter was was sobbing through a bunch of times she's 11 right but she was able to handle it but she's just but still 11 year old might not it's intense it's intense so the other that it doesn't compete against Mario because I took my kids to see Mario and my 5 year old and my 11 year old
Starting point is 00:33:22 where there was one little thing they got scared of it was the most adorable thing everywhere they started hugging each other in the middle of it right so but I love that it's universal universal into Disney and it's going to be Pratt and Pratt and then it goes from Disney into universal again and it's Vind to Vinn so it's going to be Pratt to Billy's
Starting point is 00:33:38 and then I think Fast might make a lot of money that's my question do you think Guardians will hit a billion yes you have to sing the movie idea it's really good in that regard but I'm saying because of knowing how stacked things are about to be Do you think that that's going to have anything? You think it'll hit a billion in two weeks? No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:33:52 I think it'll hit seven, six, and then it'll roll into a billion. Yeah, because I think, because the thing is, I think that this movie is going to play internationally really, really well. Yeah. And I think because it's a perfect blend of spectacle and emotion and character. And it does everything that movies I wish would do more of. I'm traveling on Thursday and I'm trying to figure out a way to see it before I leave again. And I have not fought to see a movie a second time in a while. I usually like, if it works out, whatever.
Starting point is 00:34:18 I'm, like, lobbying to find out. Supposed to leave Thursday. I'm supposed to leave 5 a.m. So I'm hoping there's, like, a Wednesday's screening. Well, the fan early access IMAX stuff is on Wednesday the third. Oh. So you could, but I don't know if those things were. But that'd be rough. It'd be rough.
Starting point is 00:34:30 But yeah, but that's how bad love it. And I think that'll be repeat viewings on this one. Yeah. Yeah. I think so too. I think I want to see it again. And I haven't said that about a Marvel movie in a while. And the other thing that people were saying about this movie, oh, Marvel's back. Be careful. Like I said, it's the eye of the hurricane.
Starting point is 00:34:47 Yeah, yeah. Well, be careful. careful with saying that though because I'm not telling you that they're not but this is very different for a lot of different reasons. Number one, James Gunn, wrote the movie, directed the movie, he's done. Number two, old school characters from phase one, two and three that that stayed true, unlike Thor, stayed true to themselves all the way through, delivered, closed out. Those are two. The third is it doesn't connect to the overall MCU phase five and six, maybe a little, but not really. This is a closed story. So they need a movie that connects to all that stuff,
Starting point is 00:35:24 the stuff they're trying to set up to hit. And that's going to probably be... The Marvels is the nice phase five film. I'll save it for the spoiler. I think there is one connective tissue here. And I'll save it for the spoiler review. But overall, I agree with you. And I realized it after I wrote the tweet
Starting point is 00:35:40 as I was like, I think I wrote Marvel is writing the ship on my tweet, but you're right, this is very isolated. Yeah. And so it's good, but I think it's what Koi said the last time we were doing this digitally was that the Marbles is the true test. Yeah. Can they truly figure this out or is this? Well, it's like having someone on your team and you're like, okay, well, this guy's been hitting home runs for us.
Starting point is 00:36:06 Let's hope he hits a home run. You can still hit a home run and lose a game. And that's what I'm wondering if Captain America is going to be because Captain America is the first one after this like, you know, redistribution of time and power. Right. So I'm wondering if the Marvels has enough time to restructure for the new tone they're trying to build. Or if we're going to watch the Marvels, I think it looks good. But if we're going to watch the Marvels and go, okay, are we waiting on Captain America to see what the new phase five is? Because that's got, you know, the benefit of the post-COVID timing.
Starting point is 00:36:33 It's got the new visual effects standards. It has, I mean, the writer's strikes are going to make something interesting very soon. But it's going to be, yeah, you know what's ironic is Falcon Winter Soldier was the first big old casualty in the writer's team because of COVID, because they wrote down. pandemic stuff. There was a whole vaccine storyline. If the next thing that gets it is cap again, but with the writer strike. Well, and that was something I was actually just reading about
Starting point is 00:36:56 the other day is because I always think about TV getting hurt during the writer's strike, but obviously movies are not being written either. So like, for example, Quantum of Salas, there was a threat I read on Twitter about it about how they got there, they finished their shooting script, but they were not allowed to make any adjustments. So you couldn't go back
Starting point is 00:37:13 and then tweak things that didn't work. And that actually is pretty scary. That's true. Outside of the writer's strike, though, which is, it's hard to say that, but outside the writer's strike, but going back to what you said, Coy, about, well, do they just kind of let it stay where the Marbles is? They shouldn't. And I'll tell you why, they should show us what it's going to be, how it's going to pertain, how if they have a new tone, then, then find a way to do reshoots and make it fit the new tone because, look, the movie could be awesome. It could be amazing. But if it has that same type of problem that the other movies have had and they know it, you want to, how's the time? time. Now is the time, especially after you're going to have such, you're going to be in good graces with everybody again after Guardians 3 hits. Yeah. But it's like, okay, now tell me your story, because this doesn't tell me, Guardians 3 doesn't tell me MCU story. It tells me Guardian's story. It tells me Guardian story very well. But it doesn't tell me MCU story. And to tell you what, I didn't want them to tell me MCU story for this one. I wanted to close to the Guardian story. I got it. Now I want to see what's the MCU story inside of, I still want to know the Marvel story, but what's the see you story now because you set it up. We don't know what the hell's going to happen now with Kang. Yeah. They got a lot of retooling to do Wednesday. And they've got November. Yeah. November's when it comes out. Which is time, but it depends. It truly depends if they're still doing any sort of reshoots or retooling. Again, this strike is coming any day now. Right. So you got to hope that
Starting point is 00:38:39 whatever they plan on shooting going forward, that they have ironed that out so that you can get that done in the next month or two, let the visual effects team finish it off for November, because, again, after, you know, it looks like maybe this week, next week, next week, or what next week after that, that's it. That's a wrap, man. And the, and the forecast for this is we're in for another
Starting point is 00:38:59 long haul. It could be another three-month or longer strike, man. Yeah, it was the last one in 2007? 2008. It was 2008. I thought it was eight. No, I can tell you why it was definitely 2007, late 2008. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. Started.
Starting point is 00:39:15 Absolutely right. It was started in 2007 and went into February. Yes, it started in 2007 and went into 2008 because that's when I left Silver to write my pilot. And then we were, everyone was, we were taking all these meetings before and then the writer strike hit and that was the end of it. So yes. But we shot it in 2007 and it went into 2008. Yeah, we're in a, we're in a spot if it, I think this one's going to last longer. And I think that it's going to be more impactful because of the scale of production because we're limping already.
Starting point is 00:39:41 Like the industry is limping. And streamers aren't making money because, well, If people are sharing a password, that's not the same money as $20 movie ticket. It was such as, like, the entire HBO Max thing when we were all going like, Max. Oh, excuse me. By its Christian name. Like Robin, Joseph Ford Levitt.
Starting point is 00:39:56 Max. Mama named it HBO Max. I'm going to call it HBO Max. Max. When Max was, well, at the time, it was HBO Max. The artist formerly known as it was having these $20 million movies go to a streamer because of the situation, but it never recovered and movies had to get canceled for tech stuff. They haven't really recovered.
Starting point is 00:40:12 And Netflix doesn't make enough money to have all these things. So I think that. there's just a bunch of stuff sitting on shelves that is like C quality. We're going to have to just live on. But what's recovery going to look like if we're already like we need to get back in the theater? Yeah, I know. Look, the one thing is, though, remember we were just a couple of years ago with movie theaters to where we thought, we all thought it was going to be, a lot of people that thought movie theaters
Starting point is 00:40:31 might be toast. And they're only relying on Marvel movies, but because like Top Gun and Avatar and Mario, Mario, like, theaters are coming back and they're coming back. I mean, it's still got to recover, but it's like. Bro, this is essentially if you had caught COVID, literally, because that's what the theaters did. But then as you finally are getting over the long COVID symptoms, your ass turn around and caught strep throat. That's what I'm saying. It's like the timing is so bad.
Starting point is 00:40:55 It's not good. I am concerned about the theaters right now. So you mean basically instead of strep bronchitis? It's evolved. It's gotten. Oh, someone has that. That's wonderful. It's great.
Starting point is 00:41:06 I'll be the theaters and the writer's strike. Double recovery. Great. Today, the role of theaters will be played by Christian. Absolutely. Yeah, especially by the end of it, I sounded like a, like a, like a, a, a hut. So, like, I think of something doing. He found the buttons. No buttons.
Starting point is 00:41:30 Anyway, so going back to, let's, let's, real quick on the flash, because I kind of jumped away from it fast. And I know, Corey kind of deliberately tried to do that, but I'm not going to, I'm trying to save you from the socials. But I'm not, yeah, I'm just, I'm staying, I'm staying, I'm staying, I'm staying, I'm staying, with it where people are going to ask the one question I do definitely want to talk about. And that's Michael Keaton. How's Michael Keaton? Two thumbs up. At 70.
Starting point is 00:41:49 He's almost 70, right? Sasha Cowell is a supergirl. And I mean, so it's, it definitely lives up to the hype of being a really good movie. There's no doubt about it. I think people, I saw so many tweets going, this is the best superhero movie of all time. I think that's crazy. I don't think it's any. And I think there's, I mean, I've got to see, I've got to see both the,
Starting point is 00:42:10 Flash and Guardians. I think Guardians 3 was a little bit more balanced. But I think the Flash is really freaking good. Like really good. How obviously we know from trailers that Zod's in it, we don't really know who the big bad is in this. How are just the villain sequence in the movie? Save it for the spoiler conversations.
Starting point is 00:42:29 Okay. Yeah. I'm just genuinely curious just because, like, to me, that's where I'm starting to find what is a top tier of superhero movie. because even with like winter soldier Alexander Pierce isn't really that great of a villain but the idea of like the entirety of the government is corrupt
Starting point is 00:42:47 the villain is the system. What I like, what I'll tell you this, what I loved about the, I loved the story I loved what for the Flash. I loved about the stories. I loved the themes. I liked what this movie was ultimately really about. Okay.
Starting point is 00:43:00 I can tell you. That's what I loved about the Flash. I think that what they do really well was, I mean, the emotion in the movie is fantastic. I think more people are going to be buzzing about. Like it had the big buzz because they put it in CinemaCon. Now people are talking about Guardians,
Starting point is 00:43:12 but I think that the Flash is going to have its buzz in it, and it should because it is, I put it up there. I mean, I really like Man of Steel, but I'm telling me, Man of Steel, Wonder Woman, and the Flash, and I would probably put Flash. I have to see it again, but the Flash is up there is probably one of the best, if not the best DCU.
Starting point is 00:43:30 I mean, when you consider that Wonder Woman is phenomenal, but I rewatched again recently, it really does have an Act 3 problem. Yeah, that's what keeps it from making that, I really like the top. I really like the ending in the flash. But we'll keep it with that. The other thing that they showed that I didn't see,
Starting point is 00:43:46 because it was at the Warner Brothers thing that I missed, was like some Aquaman footage. I don't know how that one's going to be. Very curious, because you have this DCE movie. That's another, that's like, someone had said, this is a great ending to the Snyderverse thing. Well, they still got another Snyderverse movie coming out. It comes out in November or December.
Starting point is 00:44:06 Such a weird scheduling thing. It's weird. So how would it? was the buzz on that? Does anybody, was there any buzz on it? On Aquaman? Yeah. Yeah, that it was a movie, technically. That's what people were saying for the song. That's what I heard. That's actually seen the movie. That people that have like, like, that have seen it, have seen the movie, like the screenings, they were like, it's a movie. Okay. So it's not kidding. I'm more excited for Wonka, which is out in the competition. Wonka man, Paddington director. When I got to,
Starting point is 00:44:34 when I got to cinema con, I cannot tell you how many times I heard the same thing from various people was not excited about that movie. Now my most highly anticipated, one of my most highly anticipated movies. Wow, it's Shalomey, right? Yeah, and it's like a prequel to the Gene Wilder. It's the director of Paddington. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:51 Like, that's all I, it made my top five most anticipated of the year because the director has, like, he's made such beautiful art twice. I believe the trailer is just next level. Like, Juju was telling me how great it was. Campi was raving about it. People were raving about this trailer.
Starting point is 00:45:03 Like, rape. And people who just were like, I didn't care about Wonka. Yeah. People are like, and then Dune, obviously, which is another one I really want to see.
Starting point is 00:45:10 set for Dune. Barbie, the trailer, apparently people were really pumped about. It's a good year for movies. I know we thought the year would start a little sooner with hype, but now that we're rolling. Yeah, it's summer season, man, and this is, and this is it, and we're really, and Guardians kicks us into the summer movie season. Let's do, I want to do this, this John Stewart list, and then we'll call it a day because we got other things we got us to do and get ready for tonight.
Starting point is 00:45:33 So, all right, so comicbookmovie.com really does see these great lists, and they did one for Batman. They did one for Green Lantern for Hal Jordan. And even I think we liked the Batman list a little bit better, they gave us enough of a list that we can say whether we agree with it, if there's anybody else that we thought. But I really like what they do over there at comic book movie.com. And here's what they do. This is their lanterns, seven actors who could play Green Lantern John Stewart in the new DCU. All right, let's start with their first one. And that's Trevante Rhodes. So Trevante Rhodes was in Moonlight, United States versus Billy Holiday. I love them in both. Both of those. I don't remember Birdbox. I was a Sandra Bolochman. And he played Mike Tyson. Now, I didn't like that series, but that wasn't really because of him. I think he's a really good actor. So let's talk about Trevante Rhodes here.
Starting point is 00:46:24 Tramante Rhodes is like 32 years old. Do we think that Tramante Rhodes is good kiss? Tell me, tell me Winston, first of all, the character of John Stewart. And do you think that he fits the bill? Absolutely. I mean, John Stewart is, he's a former Marine, he's very methodical, he's very much like a soldier. And so I just... I can see that for him. I just see, I'm thinking of him in Moonlight, and I'm just thinking about like, even though that he wasn't playing like a soldier in that, there was something just very straight to the point methodical about it because he was playing the adult version of the character, right? Yeah. So I just, I get that vibe from him.
Starting point is 00:47:03 And I think that he would do exceptionally well as John Stewart. I think it's a good casting choice. I think leadership is really important to John Stewart for me. When I think of John Stewart, I think of the ability to get people to see eye to eye and move them forward. And that definitely plays with how I perceive him. And that's a specific attribute that's like hard to teach. There's an inherent leadership quality. I'm into this one.
Starting point is 00:47:24 All right. The next one that they suggest is John David Washington. Now obviously John David Washington, one of the, so far, far out of the two the more notable one at the moment um whether it's tenant ballers amsterdam that pissbox and black clansman um he he's great he's up and coming he's 38 and he is a little older but that doesn't that's not that's nothing that would keep him out of the role and he's a really great actor so i mean i think and it's also notable um but not like he because he's he's not ultra famous yet. You want that middle, like I was talking about Billy Magnuson. You want that person
Starting point is 00:48:06 that you recognize, but you want to blow up with you. You know who he is, you're aware. Yeah. But he's not like, and he's not like, he's not like his dad yet. Right. He's got, he's got, he's got the, the chops, and he's a really good actor. He's my number one pick. I doubt anyone above him is going to be higher for me. I've wanted him in this role since tenant. Yeah, I think this is a good choice. If they, if they could lock him down for it, I think it's a fantastic choice. The question is, does he want to do TV? Yeah. That's a question.
Starting point is 00:48:34 But now, you know, TV money is just as good as movie money. This is circling back to HBO, isn't it? Because he did ballers with HBO. Well, that's what I mean. But now he's starting to kind of move. Which is fine. But like, I think about the other people that are with HBO that are still doing movies. I think about Westworld.
Starting point is 00:48:52 I think about Issa Ray. I think about, you know what I'm saying? There's tons of people doing TV now. It's not the way that it was five, ten years ago or ten years ago. Arguably gets to do more character work. Yeah. And there's money. that's in it. I was just curious.
Starting point is 00:49:05 She always asked that question. I think the other element, the way you pitch it to him, is the same thing that's about to happen, say, with Anthony Mackey, is like, sure, it's going to start up as a TV show, but you're talking about a collective universe. What's to say that he, as a Green Lantern, won't show up in a Justice League movie or whatever movie. And a video game and a cartoon.
Starting point is 00:49:21 That's right. That's right. All right. So then now the next one, Michael B. Jordan is the next one. Now, for me, I don't love the choice, and it's got nothing to do at Michael B. Jordan. I love Michael B. Jordan. I think Michael B. Jordan is, I think he's doing a lot right now, and he is way more famous than the previous two,
Starting point is 00:49:45 almost so that it starts to become a distraction in a character like this to where you see Michael B. Jordan, and plus the fact he's already played Kilmonger inside of it. Now, there are other people who have switched back and forth with D.C. and Marvel, and that's fine, but I think that at the level he's at right now, and it also starts to to me, and Winston, I'd love to get your thoughts on this as well too.
Starting point is 00:50:06 Then it starts to go into, why do we just cast a Michael B. Jordan for everything? You have all these other actors out there that are so good. It's like, well, we only like this one guy. Yeah, no, I agree with that. And, you know, he was in without remorse and he did a really good job
Starting point is 00:50:24 and as, like, a military man, like, spy and all that. So there is something specific, though, Corey and I were actually talking about this on the right over here that I can think of like maybe three actors off the top of my head
Starting point is 00:50:38 that truly get outside of themselves. You can't truly escape, like Denzel is phenomenal, Merrill Streep is phenomenal. They don't necessarily get outside of being Merrill Streep, Denzel Washington, Viola Davis, et cetera.
Starting point is 00:50:49 Those exceptions are like Daniel Day Lewis, Joaquin Phoenix, and then the late great Heath Ledger as the Joker, those are the only ones I can think off at the top of my head that they are truly a blank slate.
Starting point is 00:50:58 I don't see that with him. And there is more of a, it's not that John Stewart isn't friendly, but John Stewart really is just like a Marine, very like, by the book. But I think Michael B. Jordan could get there. I mean, did it with Kilmonger. He did it with Creed in the beginning. Yes. But it's, but I just said two things that you don't want.
Starting point is 00:51:16 He's already done it. Yes. He's done it. And it's like, John Stewart's also just not, how do I put this? When you compare him to Hal Jordan, Kyle Rainer, when you compare him to hang out with Barry or anything else like that, he's not the charismatic one. And you want that dichotomy in a show that's a duo show.
Starting point is 00:51:35 So my only issue with Michael B. Jordan here is that I want to make sure the duality of Hal and he are really different. And honestly, I'd cast him as a Hal Jordan before I'd cast him as a... I agree. You know what I mean? All right. Well, let's move on because we have a couple more to do. But we're all in unison that we, as much as we love Michael B. Jordan, just don't think he's right for this. Let me also clarify really quickly because people are going to be like, what, you're saying that John David's... Washington is not is not is that no I'm not saying that he's not I'm saying Michael B. Jordan has
Starting point is 00:52:02 this very like hey like he's just very friendly like that and again not saying that John David Washington the other people aren't but you know what I mean right I know what you mean so yeah it's he's he's got a very I mean they're they're all likable but he's got but he's got something I know exactly you know he's got a lot of charm it's very well Smithian yeah yeah right right right all right well the next one Leslie Odom Jr. And Odom Jr. is a powerhouse talent who worked in Hamilton. One night in Miami, and he was in Red Tales. So the reason I like this particular choice also is the same reason that I like the number one and two.
Starting point is 00:52:42 Great actor, not super well known. You can learn him inside of this particular role, introduce him to new audiences, show off his talent. So far, I really like, I like all the choices because the, even, the Michael B. Jordan choice is they're choosing great actors. I just think for notoriety, one, two, and four, I like a lot of quick. He's definitely on that verge of breakout everyone household name, and I think that's what you should cast for a long-form show. I think it's what you should cast for John Stewart. So I'm definitely there. And I also think that every time I've seen him, he's had enough of that, like your eyes drawn to him, even when he's quiet. And you need an
Starting point is 00:53:20 element of quiet stoicism that still draws you. And I think he's got that. Down? Yeah. I mean, no, I think he's good. He's not, he's not my top pick, but I would not hate this decision. So far, I mean, look, this is, I like, so far I like that. I love their Batman list. Didn't love the Hal Jordan list.
Starting point is 00:53:37 Agreed. Love this list so far. Yeah. They got me back. Yeah, they got me back. All right, here's the next one. Regerton. Oh, and he was just in Dungeons and Dragons.
Starting point is 00:53:47 That's where I saw him in. So, did you see Dungeons and Dragons? I haven't. I didn't have a chance. He was right around. I loved it. I loved it. He was really good in Dungeons and Dragons.
Starting point is 00:53:55 Big surprise the year. He was good. I will go with what Winston just said, though, with Michael B. Jordan. Exactly. That why, from what you guys are explaining for John Stewart, I don't know. If that's the case, the role, and it's not to say that he can't play that role, but what I saw him in Dungeons and Dragons. And what I know of him in Bridgeton, it doesn't feel like a good fit.
Starting point is 00:54:16 It feels, again, this is a situation where, like, I could see, like, Michael B. Jordan or Regenade John Page, like, maybe, doing a black lightning if they decide to bring him to the big screen instead of, instead of, you know, or, 10 years ago, it'd been a great static. But a great static. Even, even for both of them, even a Martian Manhunter. Like Regenergnege on page, especially giving you a kind of like that stoic ability to kind of be quiet, but still have that friendly air.
Starting point is 00:54:45 That's, that's what I read off with John Jones. Like, so in dungeons, like so in dungeons, the issue is that he's supposed to be very stiff, but he's so charming. Not an issue. He's so charming that even when the line delivery is supposed to be stiff. Like you're drawn to him. That wouldn't work for John Stewart. You know, but again, you know, as an actor, you want to see maybe can he pull that off?
Starting point is 00:55:04 I just don't know. I don't know the character well enough, but I wouldn't be like, oh, terrible casting. So let's see what he can do. Anybody on this list I would be fine with. I just, I have so many other people that I would name before him or Michael B. George. Right. All right. So let's see.
Starting point is 00:55:18 Next one then. Winston Duke. Now, here's my biggest issue is, even there's the picture. The picture is he's just so synonymous now with Black Panther. Does that mean that he can't pull off this character? No, it doesn't mean that at all.
Starting point is 00:55:35 But I just think that it goes back to the same conversation I had with Michael B. Jordan. Winston Duke is not as big of a name as Michael B. Jordan, but he's very recognizable inside the comic book fan. And my same question would be like, let's find someone else and give someone else
Starting point is 00:55:51 a shot who hasn't been in this before. And I would like to see either the last three out of the five bitches. These are two Black Panther actors. Let's find someone else. I disagree in the sense that I am ready for Winston Duke to take that leading man step. And that's what this would do. Yes, he's well known because of Umbaku and everything like that and he's done other projects, but he hasn't hit that leading man spot yet. And when you're talking
Starting point is 00:56:19 about how big he is and imposing, I know John Stewart isn't necessarily like a big dude, but he is with his personality. Winston Duke kind of gives that off both physically and with his acting. I think it would be a really interesting take to see him do it because the only other time we got to see him lead was us and that was really still more...
Starting point is 00:56:36 He was great in that though. Lepeda. He was great at it, but that was really more Lepida's lead than him. Right. He shined in the scenes that he was in, but it wasn't his movie. I think this one actually works for me because of both us and Mbaku because I see the leadership,
Starting point is 00:56:50 I see the charisma that is also kind of reserved Like I see John Stewart is very reserved. I can also see him. I still have Glenn Powell as my Hal Jordan. I can see him playing off a Glenn Powell type really well, really interestingly. So I like this one. And also his size would make it. So the Hal Jordan dynamic, if he was like a regular size guy, like a, you know, six foot.
Starting point is 00:57:08 Like Winstonuk's huge. He's like six, seven. So you could cast that All-American Hal Jordan like regular size big guy. And Ibaku could still be like. Or if you're not that, I would love him as a, oh my God. What is his name? Hillelwag. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:57:22 Yep, 100%. Yeah. Yep. I think so too. And then the last one, John Boyega. Now, I'm going to go against everything I just said. Because John Boyega is a very well-known name, and people know who he is, but I think similar to where he hasn't, I think he wasn't given the opportunity to shine, even though he was
Starting point is 00:57:41 in a big blockbuster franchise in Star Wars. He was done dirty, like really dirty, because his character had this particular arc that was going in seven, was destroyed in eight, and then they tried to, make up for it in nine and make no sense. So he's a fantastic actor who is kind of bitten by and kind of stung by the system. And I'd like to see him
Starting point is 00:58:04 bring that into this type of character. Anytime there's a redemption for Boyega, I am team that. Like every time I hear him being cast rumored anything, I'm yes, I think that it'd be also great to see him get to do long form. Because it is a show, I'd love to see Boya get to sink his teeth into an arc that he
Starting point is 00:58:20 gets to see it land. So I think he's got the stoicism. We've definitely seen him Zivrim. I think he's got the leadership quality. I think in real life, we've seen him lead. Like, I love his Twitter. I love his presence. I love the... Guista. He's got a thing. And I think, Boyega, maybe my number one.
Starting point is 00:58:39 Yeah, he's got the stoicism, but there is a... I can't shake it from Attack the Block and from, you know, Star Wars. There is a playful energy to him that I feel like... He was a playful and attack the block. He was in the sense like with his crew.
Starting point is 00:58:55 Like obviously when it's time to go fight. He was a, he was a straight up gangster. I understand that. But like with his crew, there was this level of just like camaraderie and all that stuff. I'm not saying that John Stewart doesn't do that.
Starting point is 00:59:05 I'm just saying that there are other characters that he might fit a little bit better. You know, so I'm not saying he could be a good cyborg. He would be a great cyborg. That playfulness, the boyishness, still stern.
Starting point is 00:59:17 Great cyborg. I think I just changed John David Washington and then now he's my cyborg. Either way, look, I will say this. I think this list, they made was phenomenal. It was a phenomenal list.
Starting point is 00:59:27 I'd be okay with every one of these actors that was on their cast. Missing one for me, and I get it because he's a little bit older, but it just depends on how long you are trying to subscribe John Stewart to do this, and if you would want to do it, I say Sterling K. Brown. How old is he? Let me see it. It's 40s. Hey, Siri, how old is Sterling K. Brown?
Starting point is 00:59:49 Sterling K. Brown is 47 years old. Whoa. I thought he was 42. He looks good. He looks real good. Black till cracks. 40s. 47. I don't know, man.
Starting point is 00:59:58 I take it back. I thought he was like 42. I had no idea he was up there. Damn, my guy. It's incredible for his age. But it goes, look, if it's just for a TV miniseries. But I can't imagine that the green lanterns are going to be regulated just to this TV show. You got a cast. Also, we finally get John Stewart, and it's like one and done. Like, we've waited way too long for that character.
Starting point is 01:00:19 Right. Right. So, anyway, look, I think that's the show here for us today. got a lot done with Guardians and in general, cover a little DC stuff. We got a lot to talk about. Next week, I'm going to be by my lonesome and covering the stories. Or maybe even do a Zoom with Winston because Corey's out of town. So maybe not necessarily on lonesome.
Starting point is 01:00:41 Maybe it's just us doing a stream yard together. But make sure you're there tonight, guys. If you're able to be there, then be there. Make sure that you're there. Head on over to flappers. Tonight, if you can see it on the live stream, then see it on the live stream, man. Stand up comedy, big thing. We're going to be there.
Starting point is 01:01:01 We're going to have some fun, and we want you to join us. So make sure you get your tickets. If you haven't, check this out on Spotify or on video on Spotify. So help us out over there. Show a little class, will you? Hit that button. What do you mean? I don't have class if I don't hit the button.
Starting point is 01:01:15 I didn't have ever said that. I just said you're showing a little bit more if you do. So for myself, you know where to find me? Koi, Jandro, where can the kids find you? TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, at Koijandro, and Friday night tonight as we record in Burbank at Flappers. I want to see you. I'm so excited. Winston?
Starting point is 01:01:33 Where can they find you? Winston-A-Marshal? Hobbling around town. Doing some sit-down comedy tonight. Yeah, at the Swaggy Blurred Man, I've had to take a step back on a lot of stuff, so I've been doing a lot of just writing and whatnot. But now that the gig that I've been working from home is slowing down, I'll be streaming almost every day.
Starting point is 01:01:56 So just follow me on the socials. I'll let you know when I'm live and come say, what's up? All right, everybody. Thank you for joining us here today on the show. Once again, for myself, Winston and Coy. We appreciate you. Take us out. Please, Mr. Wicked Art.
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