The Kristian Harloff Show - Has The Last Of Us Season 2 found its Abby Anderson?! | The Big Thing

Episode Date: November 15, 2023

Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow 🚀 Kristian Harloff, Frank Janisch, and the amazing Steph Sabraw are back to discuss the latest buzz in the entertainment world! 🌟 In this episode, they dive into the rumor that The Last of Us Season 2 might have found their Abby Anderson, with actress Kaitlyn Dever potentially landing the role. Is she the perfect choice? 🤔 Steph also shares her thoughts on Ahsoka Season 1 and debates whether Star Wars shows have been truly memorable. 🌌 Lastly, they talk about the Kang Dynasty screenwriter leaving and what it means for the Marvel universe. 🦸 Don't miss out on this exciting discussion! Remember to like, comment, and subscribe for more awesome content from Kristian Harloff! 👍😄  

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back. It is Wednesday. It is the big thing. And we have a reunion of sorts. It's a reunion, definitely. Absolutely a reunion. It's maybe not the reunion you expect it, but it's the one you deserve.

So we have a good show here today. Look, there's this news about Kang. Is he finally going to be, is he going to continue? He's going to do his thing or is he going to be replaced? That's the rumor. So we'll talk about that. We will talk about the rumor about the last of us. A big casting apparently has been done for season two.

So we'll get into that a little bit more. The Rock, he's going to have Moana's his next live action. That's the movie. But the reason you're all here, we know it. We want to get Steph Sabra's take on Asoka. What does she think? She hasn't talked about it anywhere. Well, we're exclusive going to happen today.

So it's going to be a fun show. It's myself, Steph Sabra, Frank. Janice. You saw it on the thumbnail. It's a reunion of the, I guess, the Schmowdown rundown with me kind of popping in as the Brad Gilmore. I don't have the suit or the hair for it, but I don't care. I don't care. Anyway, we got that and more on today's show. If you're brand new to the channel, man, we're at 102,000 subscribers, and we hope you can get us to 200. You can do it fast. Now, I got the graphic upon graphics to make that. Look how pretty that graphic is. Perfect. Look at that.

It's just stuck a two right over the one. You can't even see that right now, but you will, because I'm going to edit. So thanks for joining us on the show here today. Live show. I'm supposed to have Steph with us, but she bailed because she's going to a wedding. Ridiculous. So we're going to be doing a show on December 2nd at Flappers Comedy Club. We hope that you will come check us out.

We'll be there. Frank will be there, right? Yeah, I'll be there. Frank's going to be there too. We'll be eating pizza together, and we'll see. Frank's lying. He just said he's not going. live to you guys.

He's thought just by him saying that he would be there that I would sell more tickets. Just saying you're not going to be there you son of a bitch. I'll be there. Okay, fine.

All right, let's get into it. It's the big thing. It's me. It's Frank Janish. It's Steph Sabraa. Let's do it. What's up, everybody? Welcome back.

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First of all, my pizza buddy, Frank Janish is here. What's going on? We've got to put that LaMonicas up soon. Oh, yeah. The La Monicas. But I love you, Frank, and we've seen a lot of each other recently with the Marvels, but I can't say that you're going to be my focus right now.

Okay. Because my buddy, Steph's a broad. Yay. It's about time. I'm the focus. You are the focus. Do you know how many questions I've gotten about like, when step back? When step back?

Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I have missed you guys. I missed the show so much. It was almost like I needed to not even think about it because I missed it so much. But then I watched every week just to watch Christian and Mike eat each other's heads off. But it is true, though, because she's like, and not in a way that it's just like she was beaten a turd. Like, it's almost like she just like distance herself away from it. But if you text her, she'd text you back and kind of like, how's it going or everything too?

And then she chimed in a couple times on the YouTube comments. Like couldn't particularly stay away. But yeah, he's, I needed you there, though, too, because I needed kind of like that one, too. I know. It's fun to, do you, how, do you see the episodes when I put, like, the noises over his curses? Yes. Yes. It's amazing. It's amazing. And I'm bummed that he couldn't be here today, obviously, because he was working. But thankfully, Frank was available and we were able to get him in here because I want to, because you haven't talked about really anything for.

No. You know you've done like a couple of reactions and stuff, kind of. Not of new stuff. Not of new stuff. No. So you haven't talked about really anything Osoka related. So I'm going to give the floor to you. for as long as you want.

You're the focus. Yeah, you're the focus. I want a full review. It's so stressful. It's so stressful. Because obviously, Assook was my number one most anticipated Star Wars anything, movie show for the entire announcement. She's my favorite character.

And there are so many things that I truly loved about it. I was like, wow. But there is something I, even throughout the weeks I've been thinking about. I can't tell why. it wasn't my favorite and why it's not, I haven't rewatched, I've rewatched two episodes. Probably a few months. Yeah, yeah, that one. And there was another one with Sabine that, the training episode that I really liked.

And so there was things like that, the training that gave me Empire Strikes Back vibes in Degaba, which I really like that kind of connection that you saw between them. And the way it was filmed was really like a movie. It really felt like a movie every single night that you were sitting there. I do kind of wish that I could have watched it start to finish. Have you done that yet? You mean, watch it almost like a full film? Yeah, like a full film. No, I'm with you.

I watched like one or one or two episodes back, but I haven't gone back. And I don't know if I will. Right, right. Yeah. So I don't want to be like the type that says bad things about it. But I loved a lot of it. There's a lot that was fine to me. Yeah, which is totally fair.

and I think that there's some stuff that, Frank and I talked about it a few, I mean, he was on a couple of the episodes where we went into depth. I think there's a lot, for the most part, I mean, I really enjoyed the series, right? I did not like the last episode. Okay.

Really at all. I thought it was just too many, there was too many holes. That was the other thing, though, too, overall for the whole season, the writing just was okay. Right. The writing was okay.

Right. And it's like, if it was an animated series, writing would have been great. Yeah. And it would have been a great anime, series, but as a live action, and I'm not buying this whole thing with Philoni, is like, well, yeah, that's the way George does it. George does it, like, you know, it's for kids, and it's got, you got to have that thing too. You can still make it kid friendly and still put

a little more writing into it. Like when I, when I do the, someone just check their phone at home, but when I, you know, I, I don't know, the writing itself, it just, it didn't, there's things that were missing. Like, for example, like the main thing, again, this is spoilers. I brought this up, I'm curious if you feel the same way or it didn't bother you as much. Like Sabine using the force, they set it up from the beginning, knew it was going to happen eventually,

didn't love it. I would have much rather have been like, Cheerit in Rogue One. It would have been, knowing that you could feel the force but just couldn't connect to it, right, all the way through. Okay.

That would have been interesting. But you knew that was coming. So she does, and she uses the force with the Storm Trooper in that episode. I dug that. I liked it a lot, but she was trying to figure it out.

And then not five minutes later, she's like, oh, Ezra, I'm going to throw you now. And he's like, what? Quick little writing thing. All you could, because the whole season's about trust, right? It's all about trusting each other. Ezra, who was a seasoned Jedi, could have said, you just tuned into the force. Throw me.

And she's like, yeah, I just tuned into it. I could kill you. And he's like, I trust you. And let him guide her. It's okay to let him guide her. It's okay. And they didn't do that. And it was like one of those moments to where it was like little moments like that, like writing moments that are just kind of, it's fine.

Yeah, there's a lot of great ideas and things that happened in the show. The storyboarding is lit. But the execution of some of the things like what you were just talking about, I was kind of like, maybe I would have done a little bit different. Or it doesn't feel quite the way I thought it would have landed given the idea behind it. So there's a lot of that throughout the show, but I did like it largely a lot. I'm not quite as down on the finale as you are. But yeah, I think because a lot of it's time soon, I'm curious about your thoughts about like Baylon's goal. So I was going to get into that.

So there's here's the things that I love. The Asoka things when she like goes outside of the spaceship and starts doing twirls and yes, she's Asoka. She should be able. She's earned to do whatever she wants kind of. But then I thought that they didn't earn other than Baylan the acting was unbelievable. so you kind of know that this guy is probably really dope. But other than that, why is he the only person I've ever seen really go head to head other than Anakin with her without any sort of explanation of why he should be equal to her and take her out, you know, essentially?

So that part kind of bugged me as a character, as a lover of the character. Well, they could have, again, writing wise, instead of him disappearing in the final, being gone, You build him up the entire time. He's gone in the finale, and so is she. The shin's gone, too. They're both gone. And you built them up. They were the best villains in Star Wars we've had in a while,

and you could have done exactly addressed what you're talking about, because I thought they were going with that. Like, they're building up, like, what is this guy carrying underneath there? And then nothing. So that's why I understand why you're feeling the way that you did, because it's like we didn't give it to us. And, unfortunately, they probably won't unless they recast. Right. And why this is such a nitpicky thing, but why is Sabine shooting like a stormtrooper? Like her aim was so bad. It's not a nitpicky thing. She's a Mandalorian. She's a mandolian. She should be kill-shoting every single time. She blasts. It shouldn't be a question. And I was watching it like, has her aim always been that bad? And if you watch the show, it's like, no. I went back to watch the show to see if I'm... No, of course not. She was such a killer in the show. And so I was like, did she just lose all of her?

swag. I'm telling you it's an unfortunate thing that I after because like I said there's a lot of good kind of Star Wars soup into it and it feels like you're watching Star Wars and I saw the first two on the big screen and it really played and made me miss Star Wars on the big screen. I saw the the Hayden episode, the World Between World. I saw that one at the screening and it probably looks great right yeah like a movie so cinematic and I'm like holy hell like it does but the the thing is though and this is the unfortunate part about it. you're a Star Wars nut, right? So we all are, but

how often, as you said, do you really think about that show in the same way that you do like the last of... We have a story about The Last of Us today. Last of Us was a great season and any little tidbit of information, people like, whoa. People are not like, one season two of a soccer

coming out? Right. It's like, it left off and you're like, oh, if it has a season two, that's cool. And it was... And that's unfortunate. It's better than a lot of the stuff that they've done recently. But I do hold this thing because years ago, I was all for Flonie, Faloni, Faloni being the guy to run stuff. I think it would be a mistake to have him run just the Star Wars narrative.

I think he's got his own Flononieverse, Flonny Favroverse, which is fine, let him do the movies, do everything that he's doing. But to have him as full as far in charge of the whole creative narrative, I think is wrong. I don't think he's a fan of Andor. I don't think he is. And I think that you never hear him talk about Andrew. You never hear of any collaboration between them at all.

And to me, that's the best writing. That's the type of, you can treat Star Wars with adult gloves too. You can give kid gloves and you can do that, but you can give it adult gloves too and it works. Yeah. Yeah, I think the whole Filoni push back then, you know, about running. I was never really on board with it just because he is a creative guy. And when you have someone talking about running a whole. I'm not talking about Lucasfilm. I'm talking to the creative.

Just a creative. Yeah. Well, I mean, other people were saying, give him the reins of Lucasfilm and all that. I'm like, well, first of all, it's like, we do this all the time where someone, you know, is, make something really great or a couple of things. And then we're like, give him the reins of everything,

let him run everything. I'm like, you're just giving this guy a job who may not even want the job. And so I never really delve into that kind of thing. But in terms of the whole vision of running the creative side, there's so many, Star Wars is so expansive. It would be hard for one, guy to be like this part of this era, this part of the timeline, this part of time, to have it all. I mean, that's what the story.

The group is. I mean, right now it's probably a bad example to give, but for three phases, Faggy did it pretty damn well. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but you also have, there's more than just one guy. Of course. It's all about who you have around you.

And for a while, you know, Faloni, Favro and you thought, oh, this is a great tandem. Mando season one and two, and you're like, oh, they really got something here. But then when I think, you know, when they start pumping out too much content, then you just get lost in a sauce and you're just, you know. That's true, but there also is a problem with too many cooks in the kitchen because what happens is a lot of times, and this rumors that this happened at Lucasfilm. I don't know how true it is, but like, oh, you're doing to do that little show. I don't know what that is.

And sure if it does well, we'll talk about it. Go have fun, do whatever. I'll leave you alone. And then it does well. And then it's like, oh, okay, well, why don't you do this, this time? time. Why don't you do this instead? And then it's like like, that happens not just at Lucasum. It happens a lot of different

places. They're like, okay, I'm going to go off and do my thing. That little thing over there. Look at the Joker. Right? The Joker was a movie that was they, one of those almost wanted to bury it. And then it starts to get like this buzz one and the ones are making a billion dollars. They didn't

want, they were like, they didn't even know if they were going to release it at one point because they were like how rated R thing with the Joker and it made a billion dollars and he basically got a chance to go off and do their own thing And now, I think it's different with filmmaker sometimes too, because when you get that kind of power as a filmmaker after your first one, you know, you have a little bit more leeway. Yeah, I think it's interesting because we're seeing with Tycho, ITD,

he's not going to be a part of the next Thor. And that was an classic example of what we're talking about. Like he does one or two cool things. I still love Tyca. You know, I love Love and Thunder. But I do get the criticism of why I think that it's like this jump. I don't know if I has to do with something. social media are the way things trend in the pull of the people.

And then the executives don't really have a pulse on it other than wanting to serve the people. So they're like, screw it, do it all. You're really, you're hot right now. That seems to be the case of Lucasfilm. They do that for a bit. And then there's like, and then that's why a lot of times like, oh, but their last movie didn't do very well. So maybe not. Maybe we're going to give you a couple more.

We're going to put on the kids gloves now. And do this, do this. Oh, actually, you know what? Colin Javaro? Book of Henry didn't do so. great and JJ wants to come back so bye Lord and Miller you guys did this but we're gonna yeah it just it just happened over and over and over again but with Faloni like the the thing that you I give him also some slack on is that you got to also realize that he

made his name in animation right and he knows how to make animation work he knows how to make animation stories work yeah but you can get away with certain things in animation inside of the story and that might serve as like lack of dialogue or lack of this in animation that you won't really pick up that is, sticks out like a sore thumb in live action. And that I think would happen in Asoka,

a lot of the things that happened, like little things that, you know, some people didn't get bothered by that I did. Like in the same way in the marvels, there's a moment in the marvels. I won't give a major spoiler for it, but there's this, there's an emotional moment that could have happened,

that doesn't happen after. a buildup of all this stuff. And I was like, oh, if that, there was just so, if there was just a little bit more emotion there, that seemed would have meant so much more. And in Asoka, especially as someone who loved rebels, I'm curious if you feel the same way or you don't. When Sabine finally finds Ezra, it's almost like, what's up, bro? It's not, it's like a brief hug.

It's like, not even like, she's, her whole mission has been this. And like, Osoka gave him a better hug, I thought. Right. Not only that. The Sabine, it was. She was a different Sabine than I know Sabine to be. And so that was kind of frustrating watching. But it's their prerogative to make a live action to mean how they want to, I guess.

But that moment I do agree with her in general just sacrificing Asoka like that, thinking she's gone. Right. Ruining the entire mission to find this one person, which I get, like it's that classic question, do you save the world or save one, your family member? And I thought that was a cool way of showing that on screen. But if you're going to do that, then you better, I want to see you cry. I want to see you like maybe kiss and be like, oh, no, we shouldn't have kissed. I was so emotional. How'd my hand get there?

Yeah. I was just like, I miss you, brother. But it's, yeah. So, I mean, there's little things like that. Like I said, for the most part, I really did. I mean, it was, it's one of those things to where you always say, look, I had to start war show to watch every week. It never once, there was not a time that I said

it doesn't feel like Star Wars, right? There was, and I wasn't bored. It just like, it was one of those things where like, I'm just, I just want more. And like when you look at something like, like Loki, right? Did you guys watch Loki season two? Fantastic show. Very well written. Character had like such an arc and like you were able to

put humor in there and you were able, you could have kids watch it, you can have adults watch it. I think it's, it skews a little bit more in the older side for just the seriousness of it, especially the emotional arc that Loki does have. And it's like, let's treat it a little bit more like that. I don't mean Lorian season one and season two played with that a little bit more.

Three kind of dove into more of like the animated kind of writing that we've seen in the past. We're like depth. And that's why these 30 minute episodes are, it's a disservice. And there's some that were like 40, but like make them an hour. You can afford it. Disney. Make it do less shows and make them an hour. Yeah, it'll be interesting going forward.

I mean, obviously they have stuff somewhat in the can with like Skelton Crew and Andor and Ackleit. So they're kind of, we're going to see, I think, pretty much a similar pattern for quite some time still until they get out of, until, you know, they get out of this era of television that they're in right now. So it'll be interesting if they switch modes or switch how they operate going forward. I don't know because they seem to be really, you know, great with Android, you do this. Leslie Helen, you're going to do your own thing over there and then Faloni's got with Fabro and... Well, that headline is going to be interesting. You and I have been talking about the acolyte forever, right?

So now it's rumored to be over like $200 million, $220 million for the budget. There's rumors that Canna Reeves is in it now. That would be so great. It would be great. Look, the fact that they have real locations is inspiring. Yes. The fact that they said there was tons of reshoots is maybe

could be inspiring, could be less inspiring, because it's like, okay, maybe they didn't like what they were having, but they went back to change it up. There's been no, there's, that trailer, they showed it at celebration. It's been no trailer for that show. Now, granted, we've gotten strikes and everything too, but what's going on with that show? Where is it? Where's skeleton crew? What's going on with, with that show is supposed to come out like now?

Yeah, that's right. We don't know what's happening with that show. That's probably going to be the next one out the gate. And then, because Ackleite is almost like a, it's like like you said and or it's like kind of like a side one it doesn't play into this whole thing that ultimately leads to that movie which i think is a good thing yeah i think this is the problem that a lot of these major networks mainly disney and lucas film are facing is this and dc yeah the connectivity can be really great and powerful but it also feels like it's become a jail for all of these writers and creators in the sense that like if i'm finishing asoka and i'm sitting in the room with lucas film you're basing your whole movie in five years or 10 years whenever they want to announce it is off of this. You know, this is the jumpstart of it with Mandalorian.

And people were fine with it. Like it was good. It definitely was good. But there's just something that I can't really express about this like factory line that I wasn't in the first line of people to be fatigued by it. But now I have been where I'm kind of like. damn like this feels just constrictive of your guys's own making but i do think step honestly it's it's it's writing yeah it's it's all about writing and is there too much freedom in a sense because it's streaming and you don't and you can it's on your platform or that platform and as

whereas if it was on like a network you know there's certain you know you got to fill either 23 minutes whatever or 45 minutes whatever and you got to do that because you have ads and all that stuff, the advertisers. But with streaming, it's like, it's, they built it so much on subscriber numbers and all that. They're not worried about selling ads or whatever, although streaming services are now going back

to that, but when they're making these shows, you know, we can do six. Because like I never would order an X amount of episodes where the streaming service is like, well, we'll do six because that's our story. The budget says that or the, you know, that's our story. I wonder if like that's, because obviously the whole

model for TV has shifted with streaming. So I will, you know, do you think that's part of the reason why we're getting some of the length of seasons and- Well, length of seasons, yes. Absolutely. Because, but I actually find that a positive because, because look at something like Lost. Like, lost, if Lost was on streaming, Lost might have had some of the best season.

I mean, a lot of people will say that they did have some of the best seasons, but there, there was, even the writers will tell you, there was a ton of filler, especially in like season two. Sure. Yeah. because they had to. They had to fill, we're buying 22 episodes, so they had to, as opposed to, you know what, we'll do, what they have?

How many was? Like six seasons or something? Something like that. Something around there, yeah. Let's say six, let's say seven, whatever it was. If they wanted to, they could have probably gone either longer,

or they could have said, we're going to do it on Amazon Prime or whatever the hell it was, and it's coming out, and you do it, I still think weekly is the way to go. I think that Disney has been doing that right for the most part,

even though the dumping echo all the episodes on it in January. But I think that, Week to week is the right way to go, but I think that the length of the episodes, when you put a 35-minute episode in a big IP show, you are really, really risking the lack of character development because you have to have spectacle in these things, right? It's different when you have something like the bear. When you watch something like the bear, the bear is a drama or a comedy if you listen to the categories. But it's about dialogue. It's all dialogue.

to vote relationships. So it's okay if it's 35 minutes because in that one episode is like one of the best episodes of television ever is that holiday episode. Oh, Jesus. And that's pure dialogue writing

and you know who these characters are, you know how they tick, and that's the type of stuff you do need in these streaming shows. Right. They've dropped this sense of world building because it's supposed to be built into the 20 movies you should have watched before,

but it's like I just rewatched Lord of the Rings and it's like they just spend so much time world building that you're like then you're signed on to all the action scenes and it all makes sense but I just I think that they got it or maybe it's just us but I feel like they're getting it wrong that we don't care about dialogue and conversation I think yeah it's like it's you feel like the TikTok generation right boom boom they just want to see like oh let's do like a big CGI creature popping out of a cave and it's like yeah but give me give me more to I'll give you I'll give you an example of a movie that I was not expecting anything from and built on a world that I had already known, and that's the New Hunger Games movie. Oh, okay. I wasn't expecting, talk to me about it. I wasn't expecting anything about that movie. I read all three of the Suzanne Collins original ones,

and I saw the movies, I thought the first book is far superior than the first movie. For sure. The second, the second movie to me is the best movie. Catching Fire is the best movie. And then Mocking Jay Book is the same as the Mocking Jay movie. There's just, there's nothing you can do with it because the story's just okay. So I didn't read, what's it, the ballad of songbirds and shoes. I don't know. You saw it.

Yeah. Songbirds and snakes. I think it's sharing shoes and beep. I would love to see them pop out in the middle of it. But I was, again, saying, okay, let's, let's see what it is. I was like, this is just going to be another rehash. I'm going to Rachel Zegler's probably going to now be the catnest, and you're going to see the same type of stuff. They make her up. She, she wins over the crowd. it's not the movie. The movie is the building of snow and watching him go from this kind of poor guy who's trying to have this status,

trying to follow. He's Anakin? Essentially. Yeah. Essentially he is, but he really is. And you watch, like, trying to follow in his father's footsteps. He goes, and you spend a lot of time in the Capitol, and you spend all these things, and you kind of build it.

Tom Blythe is a star. I didn't know who the hell this guy was. Right. I don't know him. It's, he's a star. he's in he is it his movie like rachel ziegler is is absolutely an important character and she's like the love interest and she's like the district 12 she but she's not they don't try to make her catnest they don't try like oh okay she's great with the arrow she she sings and but not in a way that like

in the marvels where it just comes out of nowhere and they they make it it's actually the good example of how they can put a musical number in it like oh that like she's singing this one song and i don't know she's singing and the the people peacemakers are going, the capital says keep rolling on it. And everybody else doesn't start singing. She's singing. But they use it. And the games themselves are not the games that we know from the movies.

It's like, I think like 40 or 50 years beforehand. So they're not evolving. They're actually on the, the ratings are down. They're thinking about canceling them at this one point. It's just like, and you know the games are like all over the place? Yeah. It's like one little stinky arena. And it's like, that's world building.

I see. That's showing the progression of it. of it that I believe that that's the prequel side. The third act of that movie is going to be the one where most people are going to be like, oh, they could have made that a second movie. And I understand that, but I liked it because it's a long movie. It's like two hours and 20 minutes, but they earn it.

They earn it with the writing and they earn it with the character of it. Although I was emotionally attached to every single one. Like I said, I went in there going, okay, now they're hungering his movie, let's chiching in. Right. That's what it seemed like to me when I first, it was announced. So it's nice to hear that it didn't turn out to really be that way then.

Writing. That's my point. It's writing. And this was very well written, very well directed. Music was really good. But Tom Blythe carries this film. And I know people have some, have, you know, beef with Rachel Ziegler and everything, too. But she's really good.

And she's good in the movie for sure. Some people will either argue that they like their chemistry. I saw with Roxy. Roxy didn't think their chemistry worked. I thought their chemistry worked. But, yeah, I just, that's my point. is that you can dive deep into a world that we already know. You can still give us big scenes,

but develop the characters. And now I feel like even when I go back and watch The Hunger Games now, I'm like, oh, that's why Snow's the way he is. It was done very well. Interesting. I'm looking forward to watching that then. Me too.

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and he's going to go to Halloween Horror Nights, and he doesn't like those things. Me, I don't like the Red Sox. So as we approach, I think it's like 700 patrons. I have to watch the Red Sox beat the Yankees with JTE for God's sakes from the 2004 series. Very painful for me. We have a lot other things. The flirt and flouse is going to jump out of a plane at 10,000 patrons. But the other side is we have a lot of extra content over there. We got stuff going on, whether it's exclusive episodes a day before they come out to the YouTube channel. We have exclusive that's just exclusive. There's an extra show that Riley and I do over there. There's going to be some live Q&As that we do over there. So there's all of that. That's a lot of fun. The direct connectivity to all of you guys

has been very, very exciting. One of the things that I think has really been going over well are these one-on-one sessions that I've been doing with people. There's only around 12 spots per month, and they're going pretty fast. Since we switched over from the website, I still think there's like three or four left, but it's essentially just me for about a half an hour talking to people,

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All right. Thank you to our friends over at Green Chef. And as you also saw the Patreon, we're getting so. close to you, Steph, do you know all the lot of the tiers that we're doing for the Patreon? No. So I'm going to give you the big one first. When we hit 10,000 patrons, right now we're only, we're at like 400. But when we hit 10,000, Brett's going to be

in character as the flirt and flouse, and he is going to skydive. Jen Sturger said that she will go with him, not just a skydye, but go with him in character as Jessica, his girlfriend, and to her words, not mine, be wearing dental floss. Not my words. What?

10,000 folks, let's go. And they're going to basically go and going to do this whole bit. But he's terrified. At 1,000, bringing that down a little bit more here. 1,000, Winston will go to Universal Horror Nights. Does not like that type of stuff in October. For sports fans, I don't know if you know this one, at 700, I have to watch the ALC.

the Yankees versus Red Sox 2004 with JTE Which is brutal So that was a good one that PLD came up with 1,200 I think Brett and I will spend money to go to front row seats to the Corey Feldman concert

Oh my God 600 Which we're close to Mike Kalanowski will do a five-minute stand-up comedy set Good luck Yes So that's Oh my God.

And those are just the goals in general, but we have a lot of great tiers. We have Q&As over there. We have new episodes. Have you been paying attention? I haven't talked to you about this at all. What? Where do you stand? And I'm not going to get into the whole thing that you watch on Tuesday.

Where do you stand on the UFOs and the UAPs and all that stuff? Oh, you know, I've always believed in aliens. Yeah, of course. You need to come on the show then. Okay, yeah, for sure. Okay. And you're paying attention to everything that's going on with all the news. Okay, did you

We never With the mommy aliens Those were hysterical I don't believe Well wait a minute Well wait a minute Last Tuesday There's more

They had another Mexican Mexico hearing All they did not confirm It was alien But they confirmed Those bodies are real And those are they're non-human But they left it at that

They said that It's Now whatever that means I'm happily Happily will be proven wrong on that I just can't believe that as narcissistic human speech

We have developed what we think is an alien, which is a triangle face, big-eyed, small-mouth creature. And for that actually to be what aliens look like would be the funniest. Wait. How do you know A? A lot of that came from leaks of different things that came out in the past of images that people saw first, and then it got out. And then people like, oh, this is what they say it looks like.

Right. But we caricatured them. Like, totally. Yeah. They became like the main thing. But again, we're not going to get into the whole thing here today. But Steph can come on in the show. I'm all the way in.

Yeah, you should absolutely listen to. Take me. If you're listening, take me. I want to go. Careful what you wish for. I'm a great ambassador. I'm sure. We got a lot.

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I'm going to be there, you know. It's so annoying. I was actually, like, so excited. I'm like, I'm going to kill this. Do you know how mad Roxy was? Not at you. Not at you in general. But the situation.

Because, so basically, Roxy was so pumped. She started coming up bits. We were coming out with bits. We were like, this is our moment. We're going to be comedians. Right. And so Steph and Rox were going to do the show together,

and they had all these bits. And then Steph couldn't do it because she had a wedding. She has to go to. So I told Roxy, and Roxy is like, Roxy goes like this to me. She goes, you know, now that Steph's sudden, can I, maybe I don't do it.

I'm like, I'm like, you're not bailing on me. And she goes, she goes, I won't bail. And then she sent me this video, which is hilarious. And she's like, ah, I'm freaking out. I don't know what to do. Ah, this sucks. And I went back at you, look, to be as kind as I can and the East Coast as I can, stop being a pussy.

Yeah, I was like, dude, you're like an actual professional host. And people like to laugh at you. So use those two things. And she's like, we help me. Of course I'll help you for sure. And I said, look, you can't, if you saw what Koi did that last show, she can do what Koi did. I love that.

You've just, like, openly decided to drag Koi on that. Koi's stand-up when he's doing stand-up was great. And he opened up the show very well. But then he started getting into territory where he's just like, let's talk about zebras banging on the bridge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, his stand-up's good. Yeah, he can go dark.

So I was like, you can get people going for sure. I'm still going to work with her on some bits, but you guys should go to the show, I think. When does your wedding end? What time? What time? It's in Cal Poly. I know.

These people. I don't have it of flappers. I know, right. I should say that. If it wasn't my first cousin, I would bail. Bail. Fully. All right.

Well, tough shit. I know. I actually like him too. So I'm like, yeah, I can't. Yeah, I can't. There you go. All right. Well, too bad.

Any other family member. you're on notice. All right. Speaking of notice, people have been on notice about this Last of Us thing, man. Season two. Yeah.

Season two has reportedly found its Abby Anderson, a very huge character in the second game, of course. So it seems, now HBO has found its Abby Anderson as a reliable source

is reporting that Caitlin Devere has landed the role of Ellie's nemesis in the second season of The Last of Us. So, Mark Cassidy says, The Last of Us

might have found it's Abby. Despite a recent rumor that Florence Pugh was in the mix for what will be a huge part in the second season of HBO's adaptation of the best-selling survival horror sci-fi video game, we're now hearing that another actress has entered talks, and this one is casting choice that's sure to stir up a lot of conversation. According to Jeff Snyder, Caitlin Devere is executive producer, co-show-winner, Craig Mason and game creator Neil Druckman's pick to play Abby in season two of the critically acclaiming. series. I don't want to read the spoilers because it's a massive spoiler. So I like her as an

actress. I have seen and know certain things about this character and I know everybody's rumoring this character. I thought that Katie O'Brien from the look that I saw from sure from the game itself. Katie O'Brien to me would have or Ruby. Or Ruby. What's her last name? The actress. Well I hope it's yeah. Ruby Rose, she's one of the worst actresses. She is? If it's the one that I'm thinking of, the one from John Wick. The one from John Wick, but

she doesn't talk in John Wick. No, she's fine in that, but she was in Batgirl. Oh, okay, I'm just going off your aesthetic here. I just saw the character, she looks like the character. I hear nothing but nice things that there are people who know Ruby Rose. She's a sweet person. She's just not a good actor. Oh, okay, okay.

So pretend I didn't say anything, but I do think she's hot. I'll say that. Yeah, yeah. So they, this, yeah, look, this is coming quick. And I do like the fact that once, clearly from the fact that we have step back, like things are starting to move back into motion, right? And the news that's coming out now, you're getting tons of new things that are coming out. And, you know, shows and release dates and casting, and now people can talk about it.

And even we were just talking about Asoka, people are posting pictures and, like, there's tons of stuff going on. Like a time machine on Twitter. I know. By the way, I loved. I've already lived through this. That was the first in Roxie. I've been waiting to tell you guys. It was like just like releasing like it's like you had a secret that you just wanted to say, yes, there are aliens.

I love Barbie. Now you know who I am again. Right, right. Yeah, it's true. My whole personality went away. Well, it's back now. And I think that's it. So having a story like this, the last of us and this is this is also going to

It was back to my point from before, that this is the type of stuff people eat up. They're like, oh, who's playing her? Right. Because they love the show so much. And the game. And they're so invested in the game. Like, the show got me really,

like, I had the game for years sitting on my shelf that I never opened it. And then I started watching the show. And I'm like, you know what, I'm going to play the game. So I watched and played at the same time. I would play up to the part where the show was. There's only one time that I played past it and then wanted it because I did it on purpose because I was both for two reasons. One, because I was just so locked into the game.

the game and I wanted to play. But the other side of it was that I wanted to see how much they were going to cut out and how much it actually deviated from the story. And like they just did it so well. So I'm curious how they're going to do this because I know the big kind of thing that happens in season two. Do you know also? Yeah. Yeah. So do you know what I mean? I think I do because I, you know, I hate being surprised. Right. So you found the spoiler. Yeah. So and I think a lot people do it's kind of like the worst kept secret out there right it's almost Game of Thrones is in terms of how

you know it is and I wonder if they're going to do that but then again you know not a lot of people necessarily oh yeah that's true too actually I wonder if they're going to do it like it's it's one of the things that they want to do more stuff I wonder if they're going to prolong it because if they do

it's one of those things that I think that the audience would be like it's okay that you change that. It's okay that you change that because and maybe there's some people like you shouldn't have changed it. I don't know. It depends on I didn't play the second game though. I know what happens. Right. Like what people who played the game's real opinion was on that. And how does it play? How does it play? And does it tell the, does it actually add to the story more so of the season two and enhance it? And maybe people don't want to change it because you can still

do other things. I mean, there is this world they've set up. So I mean, you can. You could eventually. I'm sure they'll explore other characters or other storylines to do within that world. But if they go the route, the way the second game went, it's going to be fun. It's going to be fun to see everyone else's

reaction to it. What are the main character depictions of this perhaps Caitlin? Like, what you mean? Her like that character in the in the game? In the game? So again, like I just, I don't know. I just know, like they said, I think the

the best thing to say without spoiling anything, giving away like kind of, oh, well, if she's got those traits and she's probably going to do this. Oh, okay, okay. I would just, like they said, she's she's Ellie's rival. So she's like a badass but in a different way. Okay, cool. I mean, it will be, when I heard

the news, she has motives. Okay. When I heard the read the news about her being casted for this part potentially, possibly, you know, first thing comes to mind is the physicality of it all. Right. And you go, right. Well, but it's like, when, you are hired to play a role

and your job for eight months a year, whatever, is to work out every day and walk out. And you train. Yeah. There's no doubt I think she can get to a level where for people who play the game who are so locked down on the look of this character, she can achieve that because she is, I think she's a really good actress, and I think

she would do a good job in the role. So I think if they're looking at it in the terms of, can you actually deliver a performance that's convincing of this character and what they're doing. Then you can hit the physical actors later. Yeah. Look at Cal. Galgadoote, who at the time it was, did not fill the form of Wonder Woman. No, not at the, was she?

I think for the first one, she was four months pregnant. I just remember her being, I don't, I don't know, maybe that's true, but I, I remember her just being, she was, she was really skinny. She was really skinny. And then it was like, can she bulk up to play Wonderman? And she did it like that. Well, we say like that, but it probably took a year. It probably took a while to do it, but she, and she really, I mean, to me, she looked. just like WonderMy.

I think there's a great Wonder Woman. I think there's a great wonder woman. Cheers. Agreed. I got to give it to her. Yeah. And so I agree with Frank. You got to see how that's going to play overall with the performance because I don't know what the audience who is like so locked into the game.

When I looked at the comparison and looked at kind of what Katie O'Brien was doing, I thought Katie O'Brien was the perfect choice. I really did. That she was a great choice. Yeah. She's one of those people where sometimes I get mad when they hide. are UFC actors because they're not great. I mean, they're just, they're not WWE where they're like learning these skills, you know. And even then sometimes it's kind of a rough transition.

Different acting. Right. Yeah. But, and, you know, we saw in Shangxi. The more I watch it, the more like the razor crest guy. I like him more and more. But he was the one who took me out a little bit. But Katie O'Brien, I feel like is a great mixture of like a real athlete, but good actress.

She was, yeah, she was an athlete, but she's also stunts. Yeah. And she really does play into it from her role in Antman, Andor. So, yeah, and she was in Mandalorian season three, right? Yeah, briefly. But more so, but Andor was really where she kind of, I think, shined. So anyway, very curious, if you guys were fans of Last of Us season two, what do you think? All right, let's get to another story here.

Avengers, the Kang Dynasty, confirmed, in quotations, to have ditched writer Jeff Loveness. Why? Because he was all wrapped up in the Kang storyline. Uh-oh, what's that me? Oh. This isn't the first time that we've heard this rumor, but a reliable source now says that Jeff Loveness is definitely off of Avengers of Kang Dynasty because Marvel Studios is going to start to move away from Kang plants. Josh Wilding says there's a lot of speculation surrounding Marvel Studios. multiverse saga plans, particularly after the largely negative reaction to Ant Man and the Wask

Quantumania earlier this year. Along with Loki, the three-cool, was supposed to set the stage for Kang the Concord to be this saga's big bad. Unfortunately, Marvel Studios failed to take into account that having this new Thanos die at the hands of Ant-Man wasn't going to do anything to increase interest in him moving forward. I agree with that. Then there are the well-publicized legal issues faced by Kang actor Jonathan Majors, depending on how his upcoming court case goes, his time in the MCU may soon reach its end if it hasn't already. Talking on the Ringers House of our podcast, MCU, the reign of Marvel Studios author, Joanna Robertson shared an update on where things stand with Avengers the Kang Dynasty

and confirmed that Lovenness is off the movie. She says, I heard from somebody recently, the screenwriter, Jeff Loveness, who wrote Quantumania, was supposed to write The Kang Dynasty. Anyway, it's confirmed. I had it confirmed to me that he's no longer working for Marvel. I asked the person why. They said the reason why he was all wrapped up in the Kang storyline, and they are likely going to be moving away from that. It seems Marvel Studios lost faith in Loveness being able to continue Kang's story, though the bigger issue might be the fact that they're considering moving on from the time traveler altogether.

The Loki Season 2 finale potentially went some way in helping that, and it would be easy enough for a big bad to take credit for destroying the Council of Kang's. heck maybe Loki himself can remove those variants from the new multiverse so yada yada yada yada yada um all right so this is interesting for a lot of different reasons right now probably going to cover some loki spoilers in here so if you haven't seen the finale for loki season two while put in the time code you can skip to the next one because i think it's relevant um they do set up a way to get out of this storyline that one yeah so again with the spoilers loki is essentially sitting on the throne, holding everything together, and the TVA is hunting down all the

Kang variants. So with a couple of alliance, we got them, you know, if they wanted to. Now, the flip side to that is if they wanted to, they could say, okay, we're now going to continue this storyline on and the TVA is going after Kang, but they could get rid of this storyline altogether. I just wonder, like, to me, the way it plays, you know, if we're going to talk about, like, the legal issues, because they're, they're going to, they're going to talk about, like, the legal issues. because there's a lot of information that we're not privy to

that I'm sure Marvel is. Like things that maybe they hear in certain things about the case. Maybe there's certain things that are happening. And I know Jonathan Majors requested to get the case thrown out. It was declined. So he's going to be going through all that. And if they feel the evidence is mounting up and that it's going to look like he's going to be found guilty

of a lot of the stuff, then cutting their losses is his face. I just feel that if it's the opposite, they're going to find themselves in some trouble. If it turns out that without a reasonable doubt that there's a lot of things that happen here that he was proven innocent. That's a tricky situation to be in if you're going to cut the Kang storyline when you don't even have all the facts yet. But I'm curious, Steph. How do you feel about all this? I don't know what came first. like if my idea of the King's storyline is solely because of all the drama going on, I don't

really care if it goes. I'm not super invested in it at all. I think they did a great job with it in Loki and that's kind of where I'm good with it finishing. And I don't need, as a villain, I think he's interesting, but it's also like, where is his motive going to continue? Is it just to hold control of time? Right.

Which is cool, I guess, but it's not that villainous to me in a way because it's like some of it was, but I don't know. So I'm fine with it going, but I do agree. It's like there's something so grotesque about the possibility of him being innocent and then we just witch hunt him and have this role be taken from him. And he is one of my favorite actors, newer upcoming actors. And on the flip side. And on the flip side, if he's not, it's a really tricky. then it's like then he's just rising up more to stardom

while this is all so it just to me I would I think I would drop it and then if it's innocent he's a great actor he's not going to have a problem getting another job yeah they're probably going to have some lawsuits if he's yeah is what's probably happen but unless they make the story end which they did and they have an

out right now they have an out they have an out and I don't know what his contract looks like he was just through that one of the stars of the season you know it's not like they cut his role they didn't and they had the whole season play out and good for them that they did. Because they did, I'm very curious what the original ending was, if it was exactly like this all the way through, unless they did they did certain things.

Right. I don't know. The way this show is well written, I would like to think this is what they had in store, and this is what they did. Really? Really? With he who remains and all that? I don't know, because I think that there is something about the fact that they were going to

keep going with him. So this keeps it open-ended where it could have. I mean, maybe there was like another part of, you see Loki do whatever he does and sits on the throne, but maybe there was like a scene they cut where it's like he remains, it's still, you know, doing one of these. Yeah, maybe.

I think that the things with holding the timelines and all that, maybe it was still there, but like the, what Renslayer is doing and like even seeing young timely, not getting the book, like those certain things that are happening. Maybe they weren't shot, but we'll never know. Or maybe we will. Who knows right now? Everything leaks.

Right. eventually. Yeah, so I mean, they could do, they have gave it shot with the variety article that came out a little while ago got that wrong. Because what they said, what they said was like, oh, I don't know how they're going to handle this. I've seen the Loki season two and it really set it up. It's like, I think the opposite. Right. Completely the opposite.

That was really, that was funny. Could have seen a different ending. Could have seen a different ending. Possibly. But I mean, I don't know how much more different than are they going to, you know, was it going to look from what we got. So if they decide to move on from Jonathan Majors, it'd be a bummer on two accounts because I think he's a really great actor. And second of all, that would mean he's really a shit human. Yeah. So that would be a bummer because I really like his stuff.

But like I said, they have an out right now. And I think, you know, if you're, Marvel doesn't need to, maybe they can accelerate another storyline to where you get another villain going. I don't know. It's got to be. There's two ways to do it. Yeah. It's either. And we'll talk about this and then move to our last story. You either recast, which is easy to do because of the variant side of it.

You know, you could make, I mean, I know. Other than him being the one variant that looks to see. But I know we did see all at the end of Ant Man, you saw all the different, but you could have, you could have a variant. Totally. Totally. And people would go, oh. There's a crocodile variant. Right. Exactly.

I get it. I get it. or you just get rid of the Kang storyline and you just focus on Doom. Yeah. Right. Like Dr. Doom, as people have been talking about, Dr. Doom is your way to go, but even more so why I think you need somebody really. There's two names that one name that I have been championing to be Dr. Doom and the other one that was thrown at me that I said, that could be really interesting. The one that I want is Henry Cavill.

I think Henry Cavill as Dr. Doom is such a spin on what he did on DC into and becoming the guy in Marvel as the next bad. That would be great. The other one that someone threw out me recently was Ryan Gosling. Ryan Gosling has like kind of a darker side. Oh, sure. Yeah. And that would be a great way to do it also. as you see, like, you know, instead of him playing Silver Surfer,

and someone brought it up to it. I think it was Koi maybe said that, or maybe it could have been Winston, said 10 years ago, he actually would have been a great Johnny Storm. Yes, definitely. Absolutely. Yeah, but now I would have liked to say it, but Steph, where do you think that they should go,

if they do go away from Jonathan Majors, recast or focus on Doom? Focus on Doom. I think just, I think they did a great job introducing him as a character and having a two-season. in Ark with him of a lot of people's favorite Marvel show so far. So I think that

that would be great, but I was just thinking we haven't, did you watch Secret Invasion? Two episodes and bailed. You can stop. You can stop there. That's what I heard. I watched it. It stinks, right? It was fine. There was parts I liked. There was parts I liked. I do. I did. But yeah, I was curious because I didn't, it was during the strike, but there was no one said anything. So it was like, You think it stinks, right? Man, it just, it really goes downhill after, I think, episode three.

Oh, okay. Like, that's when it's just, I go, whoa. And then the finale, I was like, come on, man. I got to finish it only because I want to do a full ranking of all the show shows. Oh, yeah. So I want to. I mean, because I already put the Marvels as your last. It's not my last, but it's in the bottom.

It might be. It's in the, that, talk about a poorly written movie. Yeah, I heard that. That's the thing, though, is Frank and I looked at each other after that movie and said, No, but said, there was a movie in there. Yeah. There's a lot of times, like the first half an hour of that film, it's like, this is, I said to him, it's not that bad.

Like, it's, it was, it was like, it's a fun Marvel movie. It's fine. And then there's just that scene. And it's just like, then they just start cutting off spots where you think they might explore more. Oh, okay. And you're like, oh, oh, I guess we're done there, you know? And it's like, okay. And you wish you would have had more of that for sure.

Yeah, I don't know if I, if I put it, if I, if I, Thor, Love and Thunder is, for me. Oh my gosh. I can't I can't rewatch it. I don't. I feel the sleut in it. I love it so much. I can't rewatch it. Like I try to again because there are moments again like by the time you get to like the last part of that movie minus the kids running around.

But like when you get to the last part of that movie when there's actually an emotional storyline with him and Jane it just takes 57 bad Saturday Live sketches to get there. Russell Crow doing a dance as Zeus. I'm like come on. It was something else.

It sucks. Something else. That movie sucks. I will die a lot. I love Taika. I do. It was funny because I was going through, like, I'm trying to get, a bunch of guests that we're trying to get on the show over the next course. And I was looking at, like, he's, Tika's got a new movie coming out with Fast Minter that I want to see. Right.

That's the thing that I don't think the fandom, the fandom does well, right? If one director makes a movie inside of a franchise that you don't like, then they, they're ostracized. You know what, this guy, cute him. Ryan Johnson. Ryan Johnson is a brilliant filmmaker. Brilliant. I think the last jet, Johnny, the more and more I see it, stinks like horseshit. But I think that he is a fantastic.

He rocks. He's great. Dude, I like his personality, too. I'll watch Looper. Anything. I'll watch Knives out. I'll watch Knives out. His stuff is really good.

I just didn't let this stuff he did. Breaking Bad. He's a great director. He ruined Star Wars, so I hate him now. It's like, dude, he did it. He watches other stuff. Yeah. Same thing with Tyca.

The movie stinks. I love Tyca's other stuff. And I like, and I really dig Ragnar. Ragnawrox. Just because someone makes a movie you don't like. It doesn't mean that unless they look, if they started, if there's a couple of jokes in there about me and my family and then there's others, they're like, oh, look, he's taking shots at Christians saying this and doing false.

Then it's like, well, fuck him. You didn't do that to me. He didn't do that to me. It's not personal. No one. No filmmaker dedicates a year of their life to make shit for you. You know, like they're trying. You can not like the movie.

you don't have to just start. Now I'll never watch anything that person does ever again. Why? Why? Yeah, it's wild. Yeah, it's crazy. All right, I guess this is, Frank's going to get out of here, but let me do, let me do, do you have time for one more story? Yeah, we can do.

All right, one more. All right. Let's go with something a little less controversial. Harry Potter. All right. So there's, they did a lot of, the video game stuff came out. And this to me, This is lame.

I have to be honest. This is lame for, and I'll explain why. Hogwarts got snubbed from video game award stuff, right? So Hogwarts game gets snubbed and then it hits Switch. So in the wake of the Game Award nominations the other day, much of the conversation online has swirled around the titles that were snubbed, especially Hogwarts legacy and to much lesser extent like the likes of Starfield and Star Wars Jedi Survivor. Starfield, for example, was nominated for only one award,

best RPG, which is expected to easily lose to Baldur's Gate 3. Despite its positioning as Xbox flagship Game of the Year, yet, I mean... Drawing more reaction is Hogwarts Legacy, one of the year's best-selling titles, which scored good reviews, 84% on Metacritic, yet it's a game that became a lightning rod for controversy. According to Dexereto, the reasoning for the snub

is likely that the title has been drowned by the flood of great releases this year, which seems true with all six games up for Game of the Year, scoring in the 90s on Metacritic. others whoever on Twitter, such as user lyric and social media platforms, have gone off on the omission with discussion of fear of backlash over its inclusion. Okay, so I don't really know how to feel about it. I don't want to start jumping into conspiracy and stuff too, but I saw things about people saying boycott this game in general

when it came out and all that, and I get it when it comes to J.K. Rawling, that there's certain things that she as a creator has said that people can take issues with. You forget about the hundreds of other people that work at these games. You forget about the actors that are doing voices. You forget about the graphics people. You forget about all these different people who put their heart and their soul into these games. And it's not just one person. You know, it's like, it's like there's tons of movies that you have seen that you went to support of things that like people have done and you went to see it. He's like, oh, okay,

but everybody else was involved in it. It's like, you can choose to not play it because you feel like, I respect the fact that everybody wrote it, but because of that and because of my beliefs and because of what Jake Carey Allen said, I'm not going to play this game. And I think that's fair. I don't think that it's fair for you to say that to other people to not play it because, again, unless someone's going, you know why I'm playing this game? Because F trans people. Then you're like, well. I'm also a turf. Then you're like, well, then fuck you. Right. But if you're like, no, I want to play this game because I like Harry Potter. I like, I want to support the game. My daughter plays it. My daughter plays the game and she loves the game. Right. And it's like, and if the snub happened because they didn't want to get the backlash, I think it's lame. Now, there is something also to be said in the same way that movies, when movies come out in the beginning of the year, something like Air. Air is going to have a tougher time getting nominated than movies that are coming out from September until December.

So I don't know, Steph. What do you think? Do you think it's not getting a nomination because of the fear of the nomination? because of the backlash, or do you think that no, it just came out too early? I think it could be a mix. It's probably a mixture of things. It's also probably that, you know, Hogwarts and Harry Potter World has gotten a lot of recognition, and there are so many other franchises and games and ideas out there to be shown and given kind of the time.

And on the other end of things, I do think that they probably felt like some of the backlash, which I do find a little bit ridiculous. Just the more and more we go through this cycle of boycotting people trying to cancel them. And I'm a type of person that I do think that accountability needs to be made. I don't like hateful people. I hate that they make money. But guess what? You're not watching a single Disney movie because they're also anti-trans kids.

A lot of the people who work for Disney and a lot of the people who get money from Disney are anti-trans corporations and different donors. So it's like then don't watch anything, I guess. It's because it's because J.K. Rowling has a very prominent profile. Right. And it's because, you know, and like I said, it's just a matter of recognizing that. I mean, look, there's a movie and TV show that's also more movies and more TV shows like you come out. So does that mean that nobody can see them at all?

You know, it's weird. Yeah, I think it's your personal choice like you said. You don't feel comfortable. For sure, your personal choice. And I think to what you're talking about there, Christian, it's one person and then there's hundreds. of other people who work on a specific project, TV show, movie, what have you. And then to deny them because of the one person, then it's like, well, are you passing judgment on the hair and makeup person

because they're working on a Harry Potter project because of, well, don't you know who created Harry Potter? You know, there's, it's, it's such a, you know, a personal thing for sure. And so in terms of this game awards, I think it was. probably wasn't largely in fact the backlash. I think it was. I think, this will be over in a few weeks

and we'll be done with that and we'll move on. Right. People will know that we didn't nominate the game. They'll give us crap for it for a little bit and then nobody will talk about it. I think you're probably exactly right. All right. With that, that's it. What do you guys think? Do you think that why do you think it didn't get nominated?

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