The Kristian Harloff Show - Henry Cavill is out as Superman! Where does DC go from here? | Big Thing | Capes and Cowls

Episode Date: December 15, 2022

Massive news in the DC world. Henry Cavill was announced that he was returning to superman after Black Adam was released in theaters. Well, since then, a lot has happened. DC has named James Gunn, and Peter saffron as the two creative forces in the DCU now. Wonder woman and others have felt the new shift and now Henry Cavill feels that shift as well. Both Campbell and James got announced that Campbell would not be returning as the man of steel after all. Gun also announced that he will be doing and writing a superman film. What does this mean for the overall direction of the new DC universe? Was this the right move? The wrong move? Where will the fandom go from here? Also, boom studios returns with a big relief. Winston a Marshall and Coy Jandreau discuss. #Superman #HenryCavill #DC #DCU #JamesGunn OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-big-thing-kh-channel?ref_id=27393 MANSCAPED : http://www.manscaped.com/bigthing USE CODE: BIGTHING ATHLETIC GREENS: http://www.athleticgreens.com/bigthing AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm Winston-Marshal. I'm joined with Coy Janjoo today because, you know, it's Caps and Cals Day. We did it a day early because, you know, there's some crazy news happening out there. Some about like Henry Cavill losing his job. But, you know, should he? James Gunn just, you know, in Saffron doing what they got to do. They got a plan, man. They got a plan.

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joining us regardless. He will definitely be back for the next one. But it's just going to be me and Koi today. So we're going to talk about it. Like we said, there's a lot of stuff to get into, man. So we're going to do that. Quoy, first of all, just to ask you real quick, man, this news dropped yesterday. We're going to dive right into it in just a moment. You're just initial thoughts when you heard, because I got a phone call randomly at 7, Christian, going, you know what you're talking about, right? I was like, no, I'm working. I have a job. Well, I mean, as someone new to comic books,

I feel like they're very tricky to really weigh the pros and cons of. No, but like, okay, so reboots happen, right? But the way they go cleanly is, unfortunately, when they're, when they're bare and earth, when they're clean, when you restart a university in comic books, you don't get to pick your favorite toys and bring them with you. They try, and it usually doesn't work out. So I want to upfront say that I think that Henry Capel is one of the best casting decisions

any studio is done. I think Andrew Cavill of Superman is on par with your Downey Jr. Iron Man's, you're Ryan Reynolds, Deadpools, your, you're, I mean, in my opinion, Andrew Garfield, Spider-Man. He's of that echelon. And I think much like Andrew Garfield, Spider-Man, he is a victim of circumstance. I think a lot of things led to this moment. I think this was a perfect storm of things going completely wrong.

I don't think anyone is to blame. I want to upfront say that I trust in what James Gunn and Peter Saffron are doing. I know that's going to get me some heat. Bring it in the comments. people are mad right now. And what's interesting is I, I appreciate the passion because as, again, a new comic fan, I like the passion of the comic book world. And I just feel like it's being mirrored. I'm sorry, dude. I can't get over that tweet. I can't get over that tweet. And I was going to also say, wrap it up just a little bit so I can give them the actual story. But I, but we're going to,

we're going to dive in. But I hear you, uh, and what you're saying. It's just like the passion behind comic fans is always there and I respect that. Part why I love comic book culture, right? Is we're passionate. But I think just right now we're in that phase where we're lashing out. And there are some people that are going to stay childish and immature and angry. And there's some people that are going to stay in a place of defense and oh, no. But this boycott WB movement, I don't understand how anyone does that exist?

Oh, it's trending, dude. Like fire James Gunn and Boycott WB are both spicy on the Twitters. But, but you've got a job. You haven't been seeing all this heat. No, because I have more important things to do than to boycott WB. There are bigger reasons to boycott WB. This is capes and cows, so we're not going to get into the trash fire that is HBO Max right now.

Let's talk about what you've teed up, man. As has been noted, Henry Cavill is officially out as Superman. As per a number of sources, but we'll take the variety article. Things are heating up in Metropolis as DC Studios co-head James Gunn. has announced he's writing a new feature film about Superman. In step with the new project, Gunn has also revealed that Henry Cavill will not return as the hero. Peter and I, he was quoted in saying,

Peter and I have a DC slate ready to go, which we couldn't be more over the moon about. We'll be able to share some exciting information about our first project at the beginning of the new year. The director turned label chief tweeted on Wednesday evening. Among those on the slate is Superman. In the initial stages, our story will be focused on the earlier part of Superman's life,

so the character will not be played by Henry Cavill. We just had a great meeting with Henry, and we're big fans, and we talked about a number of exciting possibilities to work together in the future. Now, sources close to D.C., told Variety that Gunn, his co-president Peter Safran and Cavill, met recently and are all energized to find something

in the comic book universe for Cavill to tackle. Cavill confirmed that he would not be reprising the role of Superman in a statement shared on Instagram. It's sad news, everyone. I will, after all, not be returning as Superman. After being told by the studio to announce my return back in October prior to their hire, this news isn't the easiest, but that's life, Cavill wrote. I respect that James and Peter have a universe to build.

I wish them and all involved with the universe the best of luck and the happiest of fortunes. Now, Gunn has been at work on the new Superman story for some time, insiders say. The script will focus on the character's life as a cub reporter in a fictional city of Metropolis. audiences will encounter him meeting key characters like colleague Lois Lane, insiders added. And additionally, variety sources said that the new Gunn Project will not replace the privilege he announced J.J. Abrams, Tanahasi Coates Superman concept, which is still an active development. Cavill isn't the only star from the last DC era to sit down with Gun and Safran. Ben Affleck, we've been playing Batman and numerous films from the label recently met with the pair

to specifically discuss the prospect of directing an upcoming DC feature. Individuals familiar with those talks said. Now, the Superman news comes after a week of headlines following Warner Brothers decision to not move forward with a new Wonder Woman movie with director Patty Jenkins. On Tuesday, Jenkins tweeted a lengthy statement saying she was open to considering anything asked of me in regards to a potential third project, which was scrapped. Shortly after, Gunn responded with support saying to Jenkins on Twitter, I can attest that all of Peter and my interactions with you were only pleasant and professional.

As Gunn stated Monday, more details on the reimagined DC universe are expected to come in January. So you hear all of that. It's fully flushed out now. It's not just the tweets from Gunn. It's not just the Instagram post from Cavill, but just some further up reporting. What do you hear about that coy and how are you feeling, man? So first of all, I just want to, and again, there's going to be so many people mad at me praising the way this is going. But I think James Gunn being transparent is really smart.

I think we've never had a CEO of this scale used Twitter to this, you know, way. I also think we've never seen someone kind of post a mourning of a character on Instagram to this scale. Like, you know, actors obviously, you know, get in situations or they have to. But, you know, this is unprecedented.

This is something that I've been saying this for a few weeks now, and I don't think people are talking about the fact that we've never seen a shared universe die. We've started shared universes and they've fallen before they got going. And we have a shared universe at Marvel, but we've never had a shared universe half to end.

It's not going to be clean It's not going to go well It is not going to be something that people are happy about But I think with all of the things going wrong This is the best way to handle the house on fire And honestly with Patty Jenkins gone With Henry Cavill gone like that's the end of the DCEU As it stands now

It's not like they're going to keep Ben Affleck as Batman And not keep Henry Cavill And it's not like Henry Cavill is the golden boy Like it's the one that all the fans are enamored with He's the one that loves the character so publicly as a nerd. Like he's one of us looking outside Clark Ken's glasses. Like they're not going to get rid of him for keeping anybody.

No, I agree with you, man. And I think there's a number of things to keep in mind here. So looking at what was said and knowing again that Gunn and Saffron have come through and they were hired specifically, they were hired specifically to take this, you know, IP that is DC Comics as a whole and to make something full out of it. And I truly believe this is something I remember hearing years ago as advice, and it has popped up in sports and life coaching type stuff, whatever, is that sometimes the only way to go up is to go down.

Sometimes you actually have to go down and go back to square one in order to actually achieve a higher height than you're at. And you hear examples of this, for example, with both Tiger Woods. and I believe it was it was either Kobe or LeBron, one of the two of them. But the idea that with Tiger, as he would get a new swing coach, as a swing coach would change a way that they were teaching stuff, he would unlearn how to hit a golf ball and start all over again. Because whatever technique he has now, he can hit it 300 yards,

but this new technique allows him to hit it 500 yards. It's like Kobe can hit this mid jumper well, but his three isn't good. But if he relearns how to do that jump shot, he's going to be really bad for a minute, but then all of a sudden he's hitting threes and almost half court shots. It's this idea that you genuinely have to start from square one to end up with a better product. So they were hired in the first place to make something great,

and I truly believe that they will. Is it super effing sad that Henry Cavill is out? Absolutely. I think that he has taken that character and has made something magical out of it, even though I haven't loved every second of the DCEU, I have loved him in the role. He plays it exceptionally well. So it does bum me out to hear that he's gone,

but in Gunn and Safran, I trust until they give me a reason not to. So the post credit scene in Black Adam is one of my favorite post credit scenes in the history of movies. You know, post credit scenes are their own art, right? And that, you know, 30 seconds showed how exactly right, Henry Cavill could have been. Henry Cavill's gotten, like I said with Andrew Garfield,

He's gotten rough scripts. He's gotten multiple directors and going different directions. He's gotten, in my opinion, his view of Superman is much more akin to my view of Superman, but that's not necessarily the Superman that's been built in the roles he's had to play. So the fact that I love Henry Cavill as much as I do while playing a character that isn't how I perceive him is a testament to Henry Cavill as Superman. But when, like, for example, Christian and I were talking about Amy Adams coming back as Lois Lane. After Disenchanted, we were like whether or not that's going to happen.

The fact that that was even a question and the fact that I can't tell you what makes Amy Adams' lowest lane singularly lowest lane because she's had to play Lois Lane for Joss Whedon. She's had to play Lois Lane for Zach Snyder. She's not really had the opportunity to flesh out this character. And if you look at her interactions in Superman and Clark Kent, none of them have felt kind of the same. Like if you look at those scenes just separately and if you're building a universe, you've got to have your foundation, your Superman so rock solid. And then you've got people that are saying like, yeah, but people would understand if Henry Cavill came back as. Superman with other people, like with other supporting cast members. That is an idea.

And some people would understand, but not, I don't think, the greater masses to scale. Because we're all in a bubble. We're all in the, I found out this week and it blew my mind. The average person on Twitter only tweets twice a month. The average user on Twitter only tweets night twice a month. Oh, we're, we are broken, bro. We are broken individuals. If the average is two,

we tweet a lot more than that, bro. That's not, oh my God. So look at our perspective, right? We think of Twitter as much more important than it is. We think of Twitter. I mean, and Twitter is important because it connects us all, but to scale. So if you're looking at people thinking of Superman awareness

and movie awareness, if the bubble is what you read on Twitter, yeah, those are people the most plugged in that are tweeting 20 times a day. The people that are in rural communities that are watching movies because they come out in a Friday and they go, oh, I didn't know

new Superman was out, let me go in there. Why is the guy that I saw 10 years ago now with a new everyone else? What's this? What's going on? Well, I see, okay, so the only pushback I give on that, I, I'm split because again, the Flash movie is still a thing. You are still getting your reset. I truly believe that that other than it being, it must be a phenomenal movie from everything that we've heard, but because of what Flashpoint represents, that is an automatic hard reset. The same way Superboy Prime punching the hell out of the universe is a hard reset. You can do a hard reset on the universe and things can look the same but different. So I think it could have been fine to do that.

But I think what's more important here, and it's based on what was kind of being said, Gun and Safran want to specifically focus on a younger Superman. It does not mean that Henry Cavill is old. He just looks like Superman in his prime. And that is not what they are going for. So that doesn't mean that he can't come back in some form or fashion as a mature Clark Kent at some point or another, but it's clear that they want a dude

that looks closer to 20s, early 30s, versus 30s early 40s, because whatever story you're telling is clearly going to take time and you want to start with the younger version. I would rather you have a young, up-and-coming actor that can fit the role properly than trying to de-age Henry Cavill and all that kind of,

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That was a mouthful. A lot of words. But you know, you know Henry Cavill couldn't do Superman mustache list because he was on Mission Impossible. And you know that character, Mission Impossible. well-managed. I love how they still talk about his gun-cocking. That is, that, that was just fire. And that's why I'm not worried about Henry Cavill.

I know that he's going to go on to something great right now, because if you bounce from Superman to, oh, no, this didn't work out, to Mission Impossible, to Witcher, and then come back to Superman. Like, I know I'm bummed at the timing, but I know whatever he does next is going to be incredible. Well, and that's what I was going to ask you next, man, because I saw a number of people on Twitter being like, I feel so bad for Henry Cavill. Like, I will fire all my reps for this.

How are you going to tell me? I'm a be Superman. And now I'm not Superman. Yo, F this up so bad. And I'm like, yes, I would be pissed off if there was a role that I really enjoyed playing, that I was told that I was coming back. But that's not, why that's not on his reps? His team didn't.

This team had nothing to do. They didn't promise him this. This was a studio being like, we would like to do this with you. And then backtracking because they've decided to go in a new direction, which for those, that are a part of this industry, you know, until it literally is released and the check is cash, nothing is a thing.

I used to say it's not real till there's a script when I was a young actor, then I was a little bit more actor and said, it's not real till I'm on set. And now I say it's not real to the check is cash. Like there's levels. But to even that point, it's still not real until you literally see it released

the number of projects y'all that I thought this is it, this is my time, I finally made it, et cetera. There was a pilot that I was super excited about, I had a small role in it, but the director and the creator of the show loved me so much in that small role. Oops. Sorry, that's a reminder to go take the medicine. They told me they were like, yo, if this gets picked up, we actually want you to be a character that is here like every week. It would have been like an odd jobs thing because I was running an escape room.

And I had such a deadpan delivery. And I was so mean, they were like, we're going to make this dude have like 50 jobs. So then they're going to go on a date to go-karting, and you're going to be the dude running that. And then they're going to go to, like, Dave and Busters, and you're going to be bartending over there. We're going to have you in every episode for like a bit, whatever. And I was like, great.

And then even though the pilot tested well, did not get picked up for series. So, like, it happens. Life can change, like. And what's crazy is Henry Cavill, particularly, he was like number two to Edward Cullen for Pattinson. He was like up for Bond, really close top, like three or four at Craig. Which he might. Which he might.

And well, because I was going to say, because Superman, he was up number two to Ralph and then ended up coming back and getting Superman. So maybe the universe is giving him that Bond run around and now he gets to get in that wheelhouse because now's the time. I would, I think that he would absolutely crush as Bond because to be honest with you, my only beef with his Superman take a lot of times ends up being his Clark. It's not his Superman. He embodies that I think perfectly. I think what my issue is with his Clark, he's a little too swab. You know what I'm saying? Dude, man, my uncle.

It's not to say that Clark can't be so, but he intentionally goofies himself up except for certain situations because he really is trying to throw people off the trail. Like I think of- Because in life, Henry Cavill's wicked goofy. Right. Like, the computer-building nerd Henry Cavill is more Clark Kent than Superman. And he's built like Superman.

But like when you see a Henry Cavill interview, he's so earnest and he's so like, gosh, golly G. Like there's a there's a there's a there's a shucks to him that is very Superman which is what I thought we were going to get after like Adam post-crediting because I don't think it's it's his Clark Kent. I think it's the directing of. I agree.

No, no, no, I agree. And I'm not saying that. And I'm not saying that I know how many people are going to try and flame me. Be like, hey, you stupid son of a bitch, you don't know what you're talking about. I was just trying to take you the time later. That, that, that I need to read comics. That's, that's what they're going to tell me is that I need to read comics.

Because there's a lot, there's a lot of Clark stuff that. Yeah. But I'm saying specifically the Clark that always sticks out of my mind is the same way that Bruce Wayne plays that obnoxious playboy. And then if he needs to be a badass, he is because his real him is Batman, Clark does something similar where he goofies himself up with a few exceptions, again, just to throw people off the trail. That's it. It's not because he is that much of a cornball. It's just because he literally is trying to throw people off the trail. Hence right.

Yeah. I think the issue is the movies we've gotten so far. and this is not to insult them, it's to talk about the tone of them. This is not a jab, it is an acknowledgement, is that they were very intentionally cool. The movies are cool. And in being cool,

you want your characters cool. So I feel like the directing was like, hey, just play it, you know, this way and like, you know, play, like there's an element of like every frame feels lush and righteous and badass. But that doesn't necessarily work for how you and I perceive Clark, which is what I think we could have gotten from Henry.

You could have got it out of Henry. I agree with the right direction. I think so. And so that's why, honestly, I think he will not only bounce back, but I genuinely think it would be who VGM, what owned by Amazon now, to genuinely consider Henry to be Bond at this point.

You've had... They would eat it up. And he has proven, he has proven through his Clark, man from Uncle, Mission Impossible. He has that swagger. So if he needs to come in and put on the tucks and hit you with the Bond James Bond and swoon all the ladies. He can do it, bro. He can do

it exceptionally well. His career will be fine. So anybody that- Idris said he's not in. And like I've heard like through, you know, various anecdotal things. The only way I'm as excited for Idris is Henry Cavill. Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm there day one midnight. No matter what the movie looks like. I don't care if Wes Anderson directs it. I'm there midnight if it's Henry Cavill. I hear you, man. And so, so that's the whole thing. I genuinely believe it doesn't mean I'm not sad for him. Losing what you feel is your favorite role, I am so upset for Henry Cavill,

but the fact that Gunn and Safran weren't like, let's not do anything, it's just we need to shift away from Superman right now. This is not what we're doing right now. And they're doing it to everyone. You know what I'm saying? We were talking about this a little bit earlier. In the variety article,

they said goodbye to Patty Jenkins. And to that point, she even said, I'll do what they want me to do. If they want me to throw this out and we go whatever, then that's fine. But I believe, honestly, with them telling Henry goodbye, I bet you they're going to say goodbye to gal as well. I think Henry literally is the last. If they let him go, it's everybody. Like, I can't imagine anyone.

So I think I, here's my hypothesis, because I don't think that there is any ill will with gun and saffron with any of these actors. And based upon the fact that there. has already been a, oh, I would really be interested in this or I'd really be interested in that. I think what you do is everybody in the roles that they're in gets erased, but then they get put into other things. So I would see potentially like, like we mentioned, you end up seeing Jason Mamoa as Lobo.

So if that happens, then maybe all of a sudden you see Henry, I'm trying to think what other character he would be really good at. What's hard to see Superman, man. And what's also hard. It comes back to that. Do people understand what's. happening that don't understand the pop culture versus the level we do. No, no, absolutely.

I hear you on that one for sure. You know, it'd be interesting. I could see him as like a Kyle Rainer, to be honest with you. If they decide to pull up a lantern, I think they'd be that very well. I could see him as a Mr. Miracle because he's got a great thing. I could see that too. I could see that too. I honestly could.

I think that that would do exceptionally well. So it's always possible that these actors just get shuffled into something else and then other people take up the Holy Trinity or, you know, the Justice League in general that like the main players and whatnot, we don't know. We genuinely don't know because it's going to take some time to find out. You know what I mean? When I see the stage and what I keep thinking, because this is like, truly this is rough news. And I, I feel like I'm trying to illustrate the positive, but I want people to acknowledge like, this is a bummer. But when I picture Paul H. and a stage showing seven members of the Justice League, if two or three of them are from an old iteration and four or five

of them are from a new iteration, it doesn't make sense for a rebuild. And that's just, it's just a clean image. You know, if you bring out seven actors and you're like, oh, but Henry Cavill, like, I would have loved that if it worked for the story. But I do trust in the story. And I do think in 10 years, we'll look back at this and go, man, that was rough. But what we built, what this is, what the DC universe became, will be worth it, even if it hurts the next five years. No, I agree with you. And let's real quick, because we're still talking about D.C., let's talk about Patty Jenkins's tweet real quick.

Let me pull this up super quickly. So the tweet that she put out that they had mentioned that Gunn had responded to, she said, sigh. I'm not wanting to talk about private career matters, but I will not allow inaccuracies to continue hear the facts. I originally left Rogue Squadron after a long and productive development process. When it became clear, it wouldn't happen soon enough. and I did not want to delay Wonder Woman 3 any further.

When I did, Lucasfilm asked me to consider coming back to Rogue Squadron after Wonder Woman 3, which I was honored to do, so I agreed. It made me a new deal. In fact, I'm still honored, and that project has been an active development ever since. Now, I don't know if it will happen or not. We never do until the development process is complete, but I look forward to its potential ahead. When there started being backlash about Wonder Woman 3 not happening,

the attractive click-baked false story that it was the the attractive click-bait false story that it was me that killed it or walked away started to spread. This is simply not true. I never walked away. I was open and considering anything asked to me. It was my understanding that there was nothing I could do to move anything forward at this time. D.C. is obviously buried in changes they are having to make. So I understand these decisions are difficult right now.

I do not want what has been a beautiful journey with Wonder Woman to land on a negative note. I have loved them and so honored to be the person who got to make these last two Wonder Woman films. She's an incredible character. Living in and around, her values, makes one a better person every day. I wish her and her legacy and amazing future ahead with her without me. Walking side by side with Linda Carter, an absolute legend and beacon of goddess, goodness and light, has been a thrill. I have learned so much from her and will cherish her as a friend and mentor always. my crew has been like family and fought every day to give the world the best films I could.

And gal, Galgado, where do I begin? Gal Gadot, where do I begin? Gal is the greatest gift I have received in this whole journey. A cherished friend, inspiration, and sister. There are no words I could use to convey how magical she is. She's the walking embodiment of Wonder Woman in real life and a better person in the world can imagine. Never once in a million moments have I spent with her, did I see anything less? She's a gift to the world and even more so to me. But lastly and most importantly, thank you to the incredible Wonder Woman fans

for all your love and support. Wonder Woman fans are often not the most visible in media and online, but I want you to know that we have always seen you and celebrated you and your importance. You were first and foremost in our minds every day. We made the last two films. You were the best and most loving people and I'd like forward to always celebrating you. Thank all of you for this wonderful journey. Keep up the Wonder Woman spirit any day that you face struggles, try asking what would Wonder Woman do? I hope her beacon of love, truth and justice is always there to lead the way for you as she is done for me. So again, a super heartfelt sentiment and it does doesn't come from a place where it feels like Gunn and Safran are like, y'all are failures, get out.

That's not what this is at all. And again, Gun followed up by saying, I can attest that all of Peter, my interactions with you were only pleasant and professional. It just genuinely feels like, as we've said, some people don't take a building that used to be a blockbuster and gut it and whatever. They knocked the whole thing over and start from the beginning. And that's just what we're seeing and it doesn't mean that maybe you don't go back and use the same materials and go, you know what, we did like that nice oak finish. We're going to bring oak back into the building, this to the new one. But you are starting from scratch and you need to.

People, if they take away the rose-colored glasses of their experience with the films, need to look at the fact that it was a film they loved, even if they loved all the films. I'm not going to quantify it with favoritism. I'm going to say it was a movie, another movie that was the sequel to the first movie that didn't do as well as it needed to. And then a third movie that then had a lot of horrible circumstances cloud its release. And then a release that was from one director cut in half. And then years later of the release of the movie that was supposed to come out also cut in half because of how big that movie was. And the release of the bigger version was clouded in bots and actually

not being as profitable as it needed to be. So it was a lost leader from the beginning. So if you take away your feeling towards the movies, look at the building itself. There's, there's some issues with the plumbing, there's some issues of the insulation, there's some things that don't line up here. There's some structural soundness issues. Sometimes you've got to tear that building down

if there's structural issues. No, I agree, man. And look, I love that old table. Yeah. I'm trying to tell you, bro. But I think the big thing to keep in mind above all else, and this is where we have gone in on Zah-ZLof.

But I am hesitant and wouldn't go in on gun and saffron. This is the opposite bedside manner. They're literally communicating every step. Back girl just happened at us. Back girl was like, this is the opposite. This is here's a tweet. Here's the communication. Here's me adding them.

Here's us communicating. Here's an Instagram post. This is the opposite of what this started as. Absolutely. And this doesn't this to me, I think the difference too. This doesn't, I understand this is show business. so bottom lines and everything like that. But I am being presented not just with the bedside manner,

but with reassurances of a legitimate plan versus like no contact whatsoever, as you mentioned. No game plan. The game plan is like, we find that the women folk lack the reality shows. Oh, like, you know, that. And then the fact that like some of the business dealing, that have happened just straight up from Warner Brother Discovery out of Zazlob. Like I'm thinking again, again, we're not going to go super into the HBO Max thing, but the fact that shows that we're in the middle of airing, shows that had gotten their

green light for their season two and we're supposed to debut in like a week or two, just got completely axed. And these aren't situations where then you look at Westworld would just end it its fourth season, where it's like, hey, y'all, we've decided to take it off HBO Max. you got like a couple weeks to catch up watch or whatever it's just gone one of the biggest shows on that platform that's what i'm saying nothing small and and and the reason why they did it is because you have to they're trying to cut at having to pay all those residuals that's why they did it but again it comes as callous and cold that is not anything that i am reading from gunner saffron it is

purely just a situation of trying to let them cook and again until they put out a project or two and they're bad, I have nothing but full faith in them. And I think that's what we have to do. Also, the timing, if you look at it, like, they're ending the year with these losses so we can start the new year fresh. If you look at just the timing of the year, right? Like, this is the last real full work week, really. Like, we're working next week because we're crazy people. But a lot of this town has shut down after tomorrow.

Like, that's kind of the way, you know, the way the town is. And then we'll come back mid-January. I guarantee early quarter one we get the gun saffron plan. I think we end this. with a rough like okay we're going away for the holidays like i saw henry cavil at the avatar premiere he was there probably to fly in for the meeting with gunn and saffrey like he came in probably had that meeting and like you know that's that's ripping the band-aid off to start 2023 because like henry cavil's not associated with james cameron or fox or any other reason to be there i was like

why why's henry cavil here and then like the meeting happened i was like oh he was in town and henry cavill should come to hang out like new stuff so like well you know i have a question about that because I heard Roxy make a very solid point about Henry Cavill being at the Avatar premiere, because now you're talking about, you know, the House and Mouse and all that, is it possible that he's sniffing around to see if there is a Marvel project for him to work on? And to be honest with you, what if he comes in and, you know, you look at potentially one of the Superman variants in Marvel, and he looks at maybe playing the Century. It can be really interesting to watch him play like a dark, like for him to come in as both the Century.

and void, that could be really, really intriguing in my opinion. You know, I, and I, and I, this is a high praise to Henry Cavill. I think he's better than Century. I could see him be something more akin to do, uh, something that's going to be like on scale of like, because I see Century as a movie or two, right? Like, I don't want Henry Cavill to come back and be like on the almost list again. Like, give my, like, yeah, like, franchise him up immediately. Or give him the one fun character role like Brad Pitt and Snatch.

Like, let him either go. one or the two, you know, not like a, but I mean, like, I mean, if he's Century, I'm going to be more excited for Century than I've ever been selling the characters that just isn't doing the comics is he can make them. But I also think I should read those Sentry Comics. But I also think that what Henry Cavill brings is all of this failing Goodwill, right? Like, you're automatically selling X number of things because of all this happening. So as, as, as rough as it is, I do think Henry Cabell has never been in a better position to make his next franchise move. Absolutely. I think I think that the world at this point is his oyster man and I think

that whatever he does next is going to absolutely explode on the scene. Ninety two percent of households that start the year with Peloton are still active a year later. 92 percent because of a bike? Not just bikes. We also make treadmills and roars. Oh, let me guess for elite athletes only, right? Nope. It doesn't matter if you're an avid exerciser or new to working out. Peloton can help you achieve your fitness goals. Ninety two percent stick with it. So can you. Try Peloton bikes, tread or row risk free with a 30-day home trial. New members only. Not available in remote locations. See additional terms at one peloton.com slash home dash trial. Speaking of exploding on the scene, boom baby, as y'all know with capes and cows,

we are partnered with Boom Studios. They are absolutely incredible comics. They're moving into movies, all sorts of incredible media man. We have been so delighted to have. them be a part of the capes and cows family and really help get the word out man one of the big things that we always talk about is some of the books we talk about here so many fans in the comments on twitter have been coming back and being like i had really never even looked at boom before and now i'm all about it so today we're kind of revisiting um something that we already discussed so i'm going to play a little teaser trailer for you check this out so that if you guys do not remember a vicious circle uh we got these boxes

I did an unboxing that'll be on my channel later today. But a vicious circle dropped yesterday, y'all. And so that was a little teaser for that. Again, you can take a look at this if you want. If you scan that QR code that's on the screen, it'll take you directly to that on Boom Studios. But a big shout out to Boom for sending it to us. And, Coy, did you get yours already, man?

I got mine this morning. Like, I got mine today. Like, now I know what's going to be inside. Well, I already do, but now I know like that. Oh, I was pleasantly surprised. So, yeah, they sent us book one. And again, it's absolutely beautiful. Here's again, some of the visuals here, y'all.

You can see this is one of the prettiest comics, graphic novels I have ever seen. And it's because not only do they kill it, but they also just add so many different art styles. And it's all Lieber Maho, man. That's one artist doing so much different work. It's absolutely crazy. And not to downplay the writing either, man. Matt's and Tomlin has crafted a hell of an intriguing kickoff. Like they described this as a, you know, a three.

issue event and that's what it feels like. These are big issues and like I'm fascinated by this book. No, dude, I again, I cannot wait for the following books to come out, man, like just because of how I can't stress it enough, especially the ending. The ending is kind of wild. And what's funny about it, I don't know if you notice on that very last page, he kind of looks like Will Smith and like I am legend a little bit. I got that one.

You know what I mean? But again, here's some more, some of the variant cover artwork for it. And again, for those that aren't aware, this is a story about two-time traveler assassins, kind of chasing each other through time. And it's this idea, as you kind of saw in that trailer, it's this vicious circle of who is actually the hero, who's the assassin, who's the villain, what's kind of going on there. And we're just trying to figure it all out, man. So if you have it, go and get your copy of a vicious circle right away.

from Boom Studios. Thank you again for sponsoring us, partnering with us, and really bringing us along for the ride, man. Is there any other boom stuff that you want to jump into at all, boy? Damn the Mall too came out last week, or maybe two weeks ago now, because time's a flat circle, exhibit A, time travel. But the second book for Dam the Mall, which, like, Dam the Mall number one, I think is one of my favorite number ones in the year. And I read most books. Like, I read about 70 books a week. So when I say a number one impacts me, I mean it, because I read all the number ones. But I always pick up a boom number one, I always pick up image number ones because that's the new version of

these artists getting to tell their story. Like boom gives a lot of people a lot of creative freedom to really make the book they want. So I love their number ones, but that's always tricky because sometimes you love the way a story kicks off because that's what's been percolating forever. But then the second issue has to be like, okay, we got a month. And like sometimes issue two feel like a, it's like a sophomore album. Sometimes the issue two doesn't feel as strong as the issue one. So I'm always scared of issue two is just out of like, oh no, I loved one so much. Damn them all too landed solid. It is so good, so intense. I love this new world of characters. It's got a very Constantine Hellblazer vibe. I love both the male and female

leads because they feel like they're two sides of the same really aggressive magic coin. I love the rules of magic they're implementing. I love that the language feels like you can smell it. It's tangible. It's like when you hear Guy Ritchie dialogue, there's a certain chewiness to it. This is like that with a stank. Love in this book. Damn the Mall Sown. Absolutely. Absolutely. I, I absolutely love it and and I I am loving the fact that again I had mentioned this before so the original Power Rangers Ninja Turtles crossover I had read that but I didn't pay attention to the fact that it was boom I was just like Ninja turtles and power so like to come back and then have someone open my eyes and go yeah that was that I was like whoa that was I'm trying to remember

there was a movie that that happened recently that I watched something and then someone was like oh that with so-and-so director, slipping my mind. But that's mainly because I don't always retain names like that and labels like that. It's only when someone brings it to. That's why we managed. That's why I managed. It doesn't stick the same way. I'll give you context.

I'll argue all movie fight, but I'm not going to remember 1976 is best picture right now. That said, boom does a really cool thing where they're like we talked about the movie element. Berserker I'll talk about for an hour a day every day. But, you know, the way they're developing things, Matt's and Tomlin is writing the berserker movie with Keanu Reeves, Matt and Tomlin is also writing the Batman 2 with Matt Reeves. So he's teaming up with all them Reeves to make all the movies. So the guy that's writing a vicious circle is also the guy that's shepherding the Batman 2 forward, which does seem to be going forward, even with all this stuff going on at DC. So that's so that was an

interesting thing that that's pretty crazy. So let's let's talk about that. Let's stay in the DC world just for a little bit. Let me make sure I get this acid up here. I got to remember not to freak out about pulling, like taking my time to pull assets because Christian be fumbling, rumlin, stumbling, stumbling, the whole time he does it. And it's not a big. Yeah, you're pulling up the right one first after taking two seconds instead of five wrong ones. No, this is that Christian. And you're on this later.

I'm just saying, sometimes it's the wrong image. It's okay. It's all good. I don't even bother because, look, man, we come in and we're just, we're there for flavor. It's not even, that's not my job. Oh, yeah. No, we're seasoning.

That's it. We're just a good, like, Lowry's and some paprika, dog. So DC Studios boss, James Gunn responds to reports. The Batman is joining the DCU. Matt Reeves also weighs in. Following reports, DC Studios co-heads James Gunn and Saffron are mulling over bringing Pattinson's Batman into the DCU, the suicide director, has shared his response. Well, it was fun while it lasted. James Gunn has always been transparent with fans, and that clearly won't change now that he's in charge of DC Studios alongside Peter Safran.

Mayor hours after Variety reported that Robert Pattinson's Backman will lightly be brought into the new DCU, the filmmakers debunk these claims on Twitter. There are a few reports, I love more than Adam B. Very, truly a good guy, but in this case, he needs to get a new source, as this is entirely untrue. Now, while fans haven't had much time to chime in, the possibility of the Batman franchise being folded into the DCU received a mixed response. Some are overjoyed by the prospect of Pattinson's Dark Knight being the shared world's Batman. while others would rather Matt Rees Gotham City is left well alone. Of course, this begs the question who will be the DCU's Batman. Ben Affleck was willing to return for the Flash and Aquaman in the Lost Kingdom, but we've seen nothing to suggest he'd want to continue playing Batman for years to come.

The original plan had been for Michael Keaton to takeover playing Bruce Wayne in the Flash, the aforementioned Aquaman sequel, Batgirl, and eventually a Batman Beyond project. Perhaps we're getting a new Batman or no Batman at all. We'll clearly have to wait and see, but with Gunn and Safran set to present their eight to 10 year DC plan to Warner Brothers this week. Fingers crossed that we will get some news early next year. What is everyone's thoughts on this? And by everyone, I mean, coy.

Obviously, I'm speaking to the audience as well. But, Coy, I'm curious, man. You hear that. What do you think? So from the day we got the first The Batman trailer, I said, oh, thank you for keeping it separate. I think The Batman is the way you have your cake and eat it too. DC Black Label is my favorite imprint in DC.

history maybe next to vertigo. Vertigo is also a solid imprint, but they're very consciously separate. Vertigo reprinted Watchman. Watchman, I don't like touched DC. There was an entire thing where they blended like, War Shack and Batman were in the same room and I was like, eh, I like when Watchman's over there. I think this Batman should be over here. Joker should not touch it. Watkins Joker should not touch this, the Batman or the DC universe. They should be separate. So if you're going to trust audiences to, you know, have a reboot, you should also trust audiences to know that the Batman is not in the Justice League. And this Batman, this Gotham,

I understand that dark and gritty can work with super heroics. But as we have this Gotham now, if you had a Green Lantern land in that city, that wouldn't work. If you had Superman suddenly appear, that doesn't work tonally. They worked very hard to make the psychological elements, the supernatural.

If you look at all the villains within Gotham, it's all psychologically and 11, which is the fun of Batman. That's why an Arkham show would work, because it's all based on psychology. If you add otherworldly elements, the psychology gets to, managed. If you introduce a nuke, a handgun is no longer interesting. Chris Nolan's out there

shooting nuclear explosions. I'm not going to be as excited to see a CGI bomb go off. So like, you need to make sure the context of the flavor stays solid. And in the comic books, there are so many Batman issues where the Batman world builds out the bat family and doesn't really interact with the Justice League. In fact, a lot of times the art style of visually looking at Batman, he feels different the Justice League because he has to be represented more differently when he's around Flash and Aquaman and Wonder Woman. So like I would have a completely different style of Batman actor and introduce him amongst these gods than have Patinson as this very conscious year too then introduced into this world. So I say keep Matt Reeves separate,

make the Penguin show, build out, flesh out your gritty Gotham and then make Gotham a part of your tapestry of the Justice League, but make sure it's a different Gotham. And I fully agree with you. And I think from the standpoint of, because I saw a lot of people when we were talking about this, then even putting comments here or on Twitter or wherever, like, no, man, don't you know the Batman could be dark and he could be happy, go lucky into Justice League? I'm like, yeah, sure. But there is something very specific about the flavor that Matt Reeves has presented.

I don't want any reason for it to get tainted, if that makes sense. Like it's what you were saying about not having that watchman crossover, all the stuff you just mentioned as examples. This is just a situation where you genuinely, it is so good. Let that be its own complete thing. If you want to make, and I said this when we talked about it before, if you want to make nods, homages, little Easter eggs, that the rest of the DC universe exists in some fashion,

but I do not want to see that Batman or that Gotham involved in any dark side shenanigans, Lex Luthor shenanigans. I just want to see how this rogue vigilante is dealing with these psychopaths within this city. And again, it doesn't mean that we're not going to get some sort of supernatural element because Batman deals with that all the time.

There are the clay faces of the world and the killer crocs. I hope that they don't jump into, that all willy-nilly and we find a realistic way if we're going to even broach some of the the superpowered villains. I hope we find a very strong way to do that. But I genuinely like that this is just something separate. Brandon Ralph was 06 Superman Returns, right? Yep. The Dark Night was 08 after Batman Begins was 05. If Brandon Ralph showed up in Dark Night, because he was only, his movie was only two years earlier, that's the timing. If Brandon Ralph showed up in

Dark Night, No one's universe doesn't work. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. And that's the thing that we've seen is that again, it's not to say that we don't love shared universes. Of course we do. And I think the other thing that makes it a little bit different is the fact that at the time, there wasn't a whole bunch of DC projects necessarily running around.

And we had not seen a shared universe yet. Like the real shared universe that worked did not start. until also in 08 when Ironman begins and you get at the very end a Nick Fury showing up being like, I want to talk to you about the Avengers initiative. So now we're getting in our mind, okay, so these might have a connection. It's obviously that you can't. Think about the timing. Incredible Hulk three months later was a stumble. And that might also happen when James Gunn and Peter Saffron. I want people to also realize Marvel didn't start flawlessly. Like people need to let this like happen. I would even make the argument that you went, you went hard in the pain with Iron Man,

you had the next two films be kind of, eh. Thor, at the time I really liked it, in retrospect, is okay. First Avenger, good movie, but nothing, like, I'm not mind-blown, especially knowing what's coming for Captain America, but the, but you got hype because it was getting closer and closer. So all those flaws disappeared in those movies, because, you knew what was coming and then we get Avengers and oh my God. So you had the buildup and all that kind of stuff, but you set that tone from the start.

This is not the tone that was set with the Batman. And it was not the tone that was set with Joker. So if that's not how you've said it, you do not want to just abandon the plan you had for something and force it in. It doesn't make logical sense. And why not have the opportunity to make a dark, gritty world of a Gotham show or a Penguin show plus Batman movies plus all that why sacrifice that when you could also have a more justice league appropriate Batman with a very easy casting decision like it's why not make your profits back

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Let's do one last story before we get out of here, man. I'm sure, I am sure that you saw the Spider-Man into the spider, across the Spider-Verge trailer. Yeah, Coy? Oh, immediately. I waited, so it dropped at 9 a.m. And I was afraid it was going to be, like, wrong somehow that it was 9 a.m. So I got up at 6 a.m.

And I checked every hour at 59. And then I was at 9 a.m. But I was there for three hours making sure that trailer came on my balls, they said. no absolutely man i i i am was blown away by it but i i am curious because i wanted to we wanted to this was kind of an asset to break down all of the sony slate and instead of doing that i kind of just want to break down this trailer real quick i just don't have another spider-man um asset but i wanted to get your thoughts so the comic book movie broke down a six-point list of potential things going on. So the first is Miles as Spider-Man finding his footing as a superhero. You see him

swinging by, sticking the money to the hot dog vendor's chest as he grabbed some food on the way, which was kind of fun. But I, there's a whole bunch of variants. We kind of get, are you a Rick and Morty person, Koi? Casual, but yeah. Okay. So you know that like there's the whole Citadel of Ricks, the same way you had the kind of like the Citadel of Reed, all that. So many Spider-Man. Like just everywhere. And the ones that people were able to pick out, you had Spider-Man PS4, you had Miles Morales, PS-5,

you had the Mark 2 spider armor, you had spinternet, spin-spir-rette, spin-eret, spinneret, spiderling, lady spire, bombastic bag man, which is one of my favorites. Superior Spider-Man, six-armed Spider-Spider-Man, Spider-Armore MK-1, Spider-Man from the PlayStation 1, Spider-Man, Spider-Man Unlimited, Spider-Klan, and Werewolf Spider-Man. These were all apparently Spider-Man that people were able to pick out.

So we see Peter B. Parker comes back. We see that there is a Spider-Woman versus Vulture fight at one point. but the big thing that's kind of scary is this idea that Spider-Man 2099, which, you know, Miguel O'Hara traditionally, is potentially the big bad because at one point, all of the spider people are chasing and trying to beat the brakes off of Miles. And you see this really jacked Spider-Man 299 body slam him at the end of the trailer. Now, I don't know a lot of 2099 stories. I know a handful. Is there a point where he goes bad, Coy, that we're just not aware of? Or is this something brand new?

What are you thinking, man? So, Spider-Man 299's my guy. I am a huge Miguel O'Hara fan, giant. So Miguel O'Hara is more of an anti-hero than Peter Parker. He's got an edge to him. For example, the way his webs, I mean, the way he climbs walls is he actually has talons on the end of this picture. And it punches. He uses those.

offensively too. Like he'll he'll have them come out and slash like Wolverine like he'll get you. So he's always been more antagonistic. What I think this is going to be is a miscommunication where there is a fight between the maybe even for two acts. But by the end of the movie, which I think ends on a cliffhanger because originally this is a part one and part two, I think they realized that was a miscommunication. They are on the same side. So I think it's going to be one of those things where he might be the antagonist for this movie or one of the antagonists, but by the end they realize like where they went wrong because he's always been very hot-headed. He's always very been like shortly.

She's always like attack first, figure out stuff later. So it might just be a matter of that, but with Miles. Got you. Hold on one second. No, I feel that, man. And I wonder, I wonder honestly if with all of that, I wonder if for Miguel being from the future, I understand that this is a variety of Spider-Man.

But with him being from the future, what if it's, yo, you're the one that your universe open? this gate, if we go back in a race or universe, then none of this happens and we're all fine. I wonder if it's maybe one of those situations where because of the events of the first movie, it has actually screwed everything up for other folks. I can see the web, you know, so to speak, decaying, right? That's a plot line in the comic books. Right. You know, when the web falls apart and maybe they cause that, maybe him, maybe him going to see Gwen so much back and forth, messes with the timeline. Yeah. No, absolutely. It could very much be a thing.

Well, it's about time for us to get out of here. So before we do, Koi, my mama's a dough. So I'm going to let you tell everybody what you got going on, what they should look out for her. I'll follow you all that good stuff, man. Oh, yeah, yeah. So I'm Koy Jondra. You can find me at Koi Jondro on TikTok on Twitter on Instagram.

I'm over at The Real Rejects. I pop up on new rock stars. I got a couple things jumping off next year. I'm going to announce it in quarter one. I find me sometimes as screen junkies and Rodd Tomatoes and Nerdists doing interviews everywhere. I'm on them internet. But mainly, I want to say, if you like the Spider-Man trailer, check out my reaction with John over at Real Rejects.

We did a full, at the time it drops live reaction to the trailer. The only name I heard not mentioned was Spider-Cop is also in that trailer, who is a character from the Spider-Man video game universe they made into a comic book. They made a comic adaptation of the Spider-Man video game, and Spider-Cop is featured in that comic book. So it's a very deep cut because it's a meta-awareness of multiple mediums, and I'm very excited to see him in there. And yeah, if you like comics and movies and all that jazz,

hunt me down on any of the socials. I'm excited for next week when we do our year-end wrap up right here at capes and cows. I think that was enough fan because I think Winston's back. Yeah, no, you got me. I am back. I am back. And for those that want to follow me, I'm the Swaggy Blurred. You can go follow me on my YouTube channel and on all the platforms.

We're doing a lot of stuff on TikTok. You can follow me on Twitter, all that good stuff, at the Swaggy Blurt again. But yeah, I'll have the full unboxing. I mean, you saw pretty much everything that was in there, but the full unboxing from Boom over on my channel later today. and other than that, be sure to, again, come back every single week to capes and cows. Hang with us. We're talking about the good stuff.

And yes, we will have our year-end wrap up next week, as Coy said, I believe. Christian should be back. So I hope he's enjoying his time off. But that's pretty much it, everybody. So thank you so much for joining myself and Coy. As we get out of here, this has been an awesome capes and cows. We wish Henry Cavill the absolute best. We know you're going to land on your feet and not just that man.

Do you an immediate reaction to the news on your YouTube of the Henry Cavill thing? I didn't. I probably should have, but I just was, you know, it is what it is. But either way. So if you want to check out more of my thoughts there on my YouTube, but also Winston's been making his page great. Like you've been crushing your page, man. Absolutely.

So thank you so, so much, everybody. We're going to get out of here. Y'all have a great rest of your week. Peace. Sponsored by Progressive Insurance. I'm sorry. I can't operate on that vehicle. But talk to you took an oath.

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