The Kristian Harloff Show - Here is why DC has explained the Multiverse better than Marvel! | Capes and Cowls

Episode Date: June 16, 2023

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her YouTube channel, it's just Katie Sackoff, you go there, you'll see it. And we are doing, it's really, she wanted to do a show where obviously casual conversation, people that she knew, people that she didn't know, and we have some really good guests. We actually shot, it's hilarious because I've had some really good guests in this show.

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Wow, because we did get that person, and that person comes up quick, and Katie's so good at this. She's so good at this. I can't wait for people to check out her podcast. And you can see it's going to be available on Spotify. It's going to be available. So I saw someone say, like, how does that, I thought this announcement was going to benefit your channel. It is because we are doing, we're, we're. shooting it from the studio. We're shooting it from the studio here. We're making sure that,

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i saw your tweet last night just about indiana jones yeah i'm so disconnected from the critics right now it's baffling how i don't feel any i don't even understand it you know when you like read something and you're like oh i disagree but i see where they're coming from i'm only i have a page of them all the time These last few movies I've been like, I don't get where you're even coming from. Not only do I disagree, but like, what did you go into it expecting? What did you experience?

How did you leave differently than me? I just, I feel three levels of removed for the first time. It's different. On so many movies. Yeah, it's different. Yeah, it's different. You know, if it happens on one or two movies,

but it's like, every movie for me now, I saw somebody last night go on my, on my out of the theater for Indiana Jones, like, oh yeah, of course you loved it. You love everything. And I was like, you didn't watch my, you didn't watch this video. When I said,

I enjoyed the movie. I had fun with it. There's a lot of problems with it. It's slow. I didn't love the ending. But compared to Crystal's skull, it's the Empire Strikes Back compared to Crystal Skull. We're going to get into it into a minute.

It's so funny because you set the stage and you didn't influence me. I think what it was with The Flash is everybody kept saying greatest superhero movie of all time. So that put like an unnecessary hype on there. But like while I enjoyed that movie, there are things to point out that like have Asia. You know what I'm saying? Of course. A lot.

Yeah. It's not dark night, but I was able to separate that fairly early into my journey because I was like, wait, wait, who am I to listen to that and have that effect this? No, no, no, no, I'm on the same piece with you. It's just shocking that people can't do that. But what's wild is like, I didn't think, you would think that a critic, you've got a solo shot on Koi just sitting there. Hey, I'm just listening.

That's fine, very intently. Very pensive. No one wants to see. No, nobody wants that. You guys without I listen like? It's true. A long night last night. It was way past my bedtime.

I know everything now is divisive. I know everything is an argument. I don't understand this idea now. I would have thought critics of all people who are supposed to have a critical eye would be able to separate themselves from just like it's good at shit. Excuse my language.

But like it feels like it's even gotten to that point where everything is just caca to them. I think they're just made. at popularity. For me, it feels like when you're that kid that's like, well, why is Jimmy on the football team? And there's just this rebellion against the thing that's cool. So anything that comes out has this cool

lens that people have to be like, well, you know what? I didn't like it because I'm edgy. Which is, again, the reiteration of how Rotten Tomatoes works, right? It's just, to me, I understand that if you didn't think the Flash was a great movie, I get that. I think it's a really good movie, so I get it.

But as I said in Rotten Tomatoes, like, anything under a three out of five is rotten. I think this movie is over three. I think that there's a lot. I think Indiana Jones is over three. Very confidently. Right. Right. I don't think it's five, but I think

over three and a five are different things. I'm pretty close with India. I might even go to a ten point scale from now on because I want... It's probably more nuanced. I think so. And I think Indies is a seven. I think it's a seven. I think I had a lot of fun with it, but there's a lot wrong with it. I'm in the sevens with you. Yeah, there's a lot wrong with it, but it was

But look, I was expecting, because of the critics stuff, I was expecting a disaster. I was expecting Crystal Skull again. I was expecting the really corny jokes and the really, I'm like, oh, man. And I know we're talking about The Flash also, but I just think it's relevant where I do think that not only with the best superhero movie of all time conversation, I think that the Ezra Miller of it all was another thing that critics went in going, okay, I can't watch this movie objectively because I'm, I don't like this person. And they're in every frame.

have the right to not like that person. You have the right that if you, you know, your heart of your hearts, you do that, you do, like I know we've talked about it openly, how many, like, how you feel about it, how we all feel about it. But you've got to make that decision going into that theater. All right, I have my, my thoughts on that situation outside of, but I chose to watch the movie now. So now I'm going to judge the movie.

Yeah. Not the person. Because for me, there's so many artists making all these movies and there's so many moving parts and there's so much that goes into it. And for my experience of the flash, everyone loves this. character. And I really, really, really have always loved Barry Allen. So for me, having a love letter, Barry Allen is so much more important than having these qualms because I have qualms. But my overall experience was look at the joy, look at the passion, look at the glee, look at

the celebration of the Flashpoint story that is told with heart, that is told with nuance, that is told with passion. That's what I want out of my art is passion. If I feel something because of the passion, the artist tried to give me, that's what my journey is. So the reason I usually love everything is because they accomplish that. So if my bar is I leave happy, than I went in. I'm sorry that I enjoyed that. Like I got a two better hour experience out of my life than yours. You spent two hours being cranky. I spent two hours clapping. I'm gonna take my choice. I mean, that's the thing. It's funny because that that post day has got to be what over a month old.

The Instagram short or real of us come when Koi wasn't here, the first sports. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. People have been like, yeah, pay me to your sports. But it's funny. It reminds me of watching a team like a, uh, what the Heat and the Nuggets just finished NBA finals. It was like watching the heat where it's like, man, they've been scrapping and scrapping, and then they just got their ass whooped in the finals. But like, it's fun to watch something,

even if it doesn't go the full on distance of it's the greatest movie ever. It's an Oscar winner, whatever. For all of its flaws, there's a lot of things that you can enjoy out of the victories. And I do also think that minus, I don't think you're wrong with the popularity side of it, but I do think, and I don't think that they're necessarily wrong to feel it,

but I think that critics who are not, fans of the comic book genre, right, have maybe just had enough, you know, they're just, and it's like, it's, this has been, and probably have thought it's just a fad, it'll go away after four years, and it's been here for a long time now, so they're probably like, here's another one of these things, maybe if we just keep hitting it, and I shouldn't say that, I shouldn't say that they're like, oh, I'm going to give it a negative room, because maybe they're just exhausted by it, and maybe they just can't enjoy it anymore, so when they're watching it, they just cannot, and it seems more generic to them in certain things. The, my biggest critique with the Flash,

going to talk about it in our spoilers, but I still think, and I was wondering if they would switch it from the time I saw from cinema con to now, the CGI, there's a lot of, like, mummy-esque Scorpion King's CGI. My biggest struggle is the heart is there and the emotional connection is there, but every so often you get that, like, polar express and you're like, it's bad. It happens in indie, too. And it's hard to connect because you're so already connected. It actually is disoriented by losing the connection, and then you've got to re-engage. So I found myself kind of having some whiplash of emotionality. The funny thing is, there are moments where this isn't really a spoiler in the fact that, like,

we go into the speed force, right? Yeah. It makes sense within the speed force because you're like, okay, we're kind of in this alternate dimension type situation, whatever, whatever. My issue becomes when it happens in, like, the real world, and it becomes mummy bad CGI that I'm like, no, no, no, no, this is the moment where it should look normal.

This is like, and so that, that ended up being a lot of my hang-ups, but as far as, like, telling a story. It was a good story. It was amazing. It was well-directed, you know, it was, and I think it's also to be fair that the direction there's just so much pressure on those VFX artists

you know how much they have to get done and what they're going to do so the direction it does fall on Mooshieti there too with some of those shots because some of those shots I mean some of them are like 90s bad like 90s bad and and I and some of it really transfer even with Indiana Jones

like the Indiana Jones part of it too I know that it's not a comic book movie we'll talk about it some other time but I still, with the technology that they have advanced with DeepFake, as opposed to de-aging, stop doing de-aging if you're going to do that long. DeepFake works much more. It works so much. You compare the de-aging to Mark Hamill in Mandalorian season two,

and then compare it to Mark Hamill in Boba-Fet. I mean, it looks like a person walking around. You can't even notice. I mean, a couple times here and there. But either way, the flash comes out. It's going to do... It's trying to do pretty good. 80, something like that?

80, and then I think worldwide it's doing something like 170. And I think, and I said yesterday or whatever it was, I said, I think that's, you know, not a bad opening to start. And some people say, well, you know, look, it's kind of make like four or 500 million just to break even, just like kind of like the, you know, with reshoots and everything too with the way Black Adam. And it does and they're not wrong. The only thing that it has going for it is that it's come, it's minus like Black Adam, I think came out like October or whatever it was. And that was, it's not a time traditionally where people are seeing movies and. I mean, that's not the only reason, obviously. But there's other things that were coming out.

This movie is in the summer season, and it has Indiana Jones to contend with... In two weeks. Is that elemental this week? Yeah, but that's a different audience. It's a different audience. And then that's why Disney is also putting it out a week or two for Indiana Jones, because they don't think it's going to, you know,

bind into it. But I think that overall, it's still, because it's the only superhero movie in town until what, the Blue Beetle? Yeah. So I think that it's got a chance to have some legs. If the word of mouth is,

I think the word of mouth with the audience is going to be pretty good. And I think the audience, I think the audience is as disconnected to the critics now, more so than ever. It always has been, more so now than ever.

No, it used to be, but it would be like, I got a bad round tomatoes, maybe I'll wait. And now it's like, I don't really have effect there. Like, there's not really a correlation between those two things

when there's so much negativity. And especially when you actually take the time to read the reviews, they're just so, like, blindly negative. They don't actually have anything nuanced to say. Some do, though. I'm generalizing, that's fair. There are enough that are blind in there that I, like, stop reading as opposed to, like, let me engage further. Bro, it's enough that they are affecting even us, because I put out my non-spoiler review of the Flash.

And literally, most of the stuff that I said was just like, I just had CGI problems. And I had a little bit of an issue of how we kind of wrapped up the main villain at the end. But other than that, I love the movie. So why is everybody else that's the greatest movie ever? You just trash. You know what you're talking? I'm like, yeah. Let me see the movie.

But it's just, it feels very chicken and egg at this point where it's like, is it that people are rebelling against critics because they're putting out negativity or are critics putting out negativity? Because they're rebelling against people just being blindly. Yeah. It's very weird that it's all very cyclical at this point and everybody's just kind of striking it everybody. That's why I've never joined any of the critics associations because I've never joined any of the critics associations. because I feel like it's once you're part of a group that is so labeled, it's a certain expectation. And then the fans are a certain expectation. I like living in the middle where I talk about movies, I experience them. But I consider myself much more of a hype man than a critic.

Like, I'd rather review a thing, but I don't critique. I don't disagree with you because I consider myself more so someone who just talks about movies with my friends. I'll review it and stuff too. And by definition, people, you know, semantics, you can say, well, that is criticism. And it's not wrong, you know, but that's the age old. Everybody's a critic, right? But I I am part of the critics, the CCA, right? And the reason why I kind of push back on that just a little bit is because I would, I like to be that voice of what we do. Oh, you're the voice of what we're doing in the space.

That's what that's why even though it's like, well, by association, aren't you then a critic? And I guess, yeah, if you want to, because I'm part of that association. But fiction from the inside. Yeah, but I don't, but I just, I don't, but I also don't want to devalue the game of, say, like, you know, I always bring up Bibiani as much as I'm never on the same page of that guy. The work he puts in his bananas. Like he's a critic. He's an official professional critic, and he's very good at what he does,

and so's Alonzo Duralde and Christy Lemire. Those are the ones that I always bring up all the time. And, like, Alonzo, watch Alonzo's out of the theater for both Flash and Indiana Jones. And I was on the same page with him on Indiana Jones, and on The Flash, we were not. And that's why I actually brought up the exhaustion thing, because listen to, I think his, I think he's had, I think nerd culture may have been a bad idea, whatever it was, whatever he said. But I think he's exhausted by it. I think he's like officially, he didn't say this, but I just think he's exhausted by it.

And I think that if you're not a fan of it, I think that it's almost like, and I'm not saying that this is what it is, but I think that to certain people, you know where when Twilight was the thing. And then all of these freaking young adult movies started coming out. And Mark and I had to see all of them.

Oh, God. Yeah, because we reviewed everything. And that was not my genre, the horror movies, not my genre. I was like, another time. And I could acknowledge, when the movies were coming in there were good, but it was like, oh, there's another one of these things.

Boom, boom, and it became work. So I would assume, to me, I'm looking forward to seeing The Flash. I'm looking forward to Blue Beetle's coming out. Great. I think now there's this thing for some critics who don't look at, they got their dukes up. You know what's interesting about that, though, and that's kind of where, look, this is the time.

I'm not saying that all these people that are doing that are necessarily like old or anything like that, but that talk about this is where expansion, this is where bringing in the next generation or the next people like, where you're like, cool, I don't want to see any more superhero movies. I'm going to hire a young coin and I'm going to have them go, you're in charge of anything that's DC, Marvel, whatever, and I'll handle the rest.

Because you need to be able to still talk to that generation. Not only talk to that generation, but if you're a critic, you need to be able to do it with a straight, objective, critical eye. And you clearly are coming in with a bias. Well, look, I mean, I'm going to, again, I don't want to speak for Alonzo Dorale, I'm not even a commercial. I know you're not. I know you're not.

Because Alonzo, Alonzo is one of my favorite human beings in the world. He's just a sweetheart of a person. And he's just, and he's really good at what he does. So, and I don't know if he's exhausted by it. I think that he just, I think like anything,

you go to a restaurant, you know, and you go to a new restaurant that I've been into Italian place. Why is this better than the other place that I went to that I liked a lot more? Because we do this dish. It's the same dish.

you know, to him. And it might be. And I don't know. I would love to actually get him on the show to talk because he's just, he's next level. Breakfast All Day is the channel that both he and Christine Lemire do on YouTube. And they're just, I mean, they're a real deal when it comes to, like, critics. But I'm just curious. But let's switch to Blue Beetle for a second.

First DC you care. Yeah, that's what I wanted to talk about. Yeah, man. I think that's a fascinating little soundbite. And I think it was on Rosenbaum's podcast that he said that. So James, was on Michael Rosamombe's podcast, said a lot of different stuff with the Superman stuff that we'll get into that I thought was fascinating with the casting. Just the plan in general, right?

But the fascinating thing that he said was this, was the DCU, everybody thought, we've been in this panel, obviously, that the first DC youth official film was going to be Superman. Like, we didn't know what the hell was going to happen. Blue Beetle. It was something that it was supposed to be an HBO Max movie, that then they said it was going to get theatrical. They didn't know if it was going to tie in, was it going to be else worlds. Nobody knew. Well, the confirmation came in from James Gunn himself on the Inside You, Inside of You podcast with Michael

Roosevelt, and he said, this is the first official DCU movie. Now, he said it's the first official DCU character. Superman's the first DCU movie. Okay, so how does that work? Basically, this character will fold into that universe, but the first one with the style and formatting of what I think James Gunn is building as an overall thing is Superman. But is this canon to his? So I think Blue Blue Bowl.

Beetle will, like, be in the teams that come, but SuperBain's the first DCU film. So the character, kind of like, um, uh, like Hulk, you know, got folded in. It's the reverse Hulk. Like, obviously, they, it was still that, that was still part of the MCU. Right. So I'm saying it's in reverse. So, like, they were able to bring in those characters later, but it wasn't like a movie. So this, so the character is part of the DCU, but he's not, I mean, excuse me, the character is

part of the DCU, but the film that comes out is not part of the scene? So, yeah, that's the sound, I mean, the quote itself was he's the first DCU character. the first DCU film is Superman. I understand what you're saying. James, explain yourself. No, seriously. You know everybody. No, I think I understand what he's saying.

Just the idea of seeing Sholo. Yeah. Okay, seeing Sholo and his rendition of the character and maybe even some of the people in this film, like any of the insulary characters, that's all part of the

DCU, but I think what specifically he's saying we didn't obviously shoot this under our regime. So it is not the first DCU film because the first one shot under our regime would be Superman. Like yeah, that's what I was kind of, I was kind of thinking that, yeah, we obviously we didn't shoot it. It's not something that we produced inside of this DCU, but we saw the movie. It fits in of what we want to do. The lore fits in.

It's going to be canon. This character fits and it's a really good movie. And that's if I hope that that's what it is because that means that they watch this and said, this is a good movie. This is a good movie. We're going to keep this movie. As opposed to if it wasn't good, then he goes, well, look, it's elsewhere.

Right, right. That's what's exciting to me is, like, the confidence in this, because I think Sholo's incredible. I really, really am excited. Yeah, he's so great. But I really am excited to see a character like Blue Beetle get their time in the sun

because this is like that sea-less character that I love get to see. So the idea that it's folded in is exciting because that means not only is James Gunn's the guy that brings in all those obscure characters, but if he's starting with one, kind of, that's exciting.

Yeah, I think so, too. So I don't know. What do you guys think? Do you think this is going to be something that, I don't know, how do you feel as far as what you heard? Do you think that it is going to be what Coy had mentioned on how that's going to play? Is it going to be that they really like this movie? And that kind of continues into the lore itself. Do they maybe make the sequel inside of the DCU?

But speaking of that, though. Is Lex Luther quote? Did you hear it? It's worth mentioning. So obviously Rosenbaum was Lex, in my opinion, the best Lex at all time. and uh... jean hackman disagrees well that's the funny thing is

James Gunn said on the thing that Lex his favorite Lex is Rosie like Rosie's his favorite Lex and he said they're buddies that's not fair but then Rosenbaum's like saying you're my favorite redhead that's all I ask Santino's like what but yeah but then

Lex sorry calling him Lex Rosenbaum then said like hey just if there's Alex Luther can he please promise me that he's got gravitas that he's serious and he was like navigating around the language of not insulting other actors but he's like is can it be, you know, the thing that we're talking about? And Gunn then said, I promise he will be that, even though I know other actors have played him a certain way. And the entire internet kicked back thinking he was talking about Eisenberg.

And he wasn't. He was talking about a tweet the day after where he was like, look, I've been very vocal about my love for Christopher Reeves Superman. I think it's the best superhero movie of all time. I personally just don't like Gene Hackman's take. It's the first time I feel like anyone's ever agreed with me that Gene Hackman, as Lex Luthor was the weakest link of that film. You're a lunatic. He's the weakest link by a lie. I do not like that Lex Loonotaur.

Otisburg? Otisberg! That's not Lex! Yeah, that's, no, no. That's your bias. Well, no, it is. It's also interpretation archetypes. That is, that is, that is golden nature.

It's a bad. It's a fine. That's so public. But it's also like the rest of the film is so sincere and heartfelt. Then there's this guy going like, I am a villain with a mustache to twirl without the mustache. In one and two? But Superman is also, I just, okay. Rosemobobble, that.

That's, let's talk off. Exactly. I'm saying that whole, bro. Because remember, That entire film is that. Because Tessmarker... You're not wrong. Because Tessmarker shows up and she's like,

oh, man, I guess I shouldn't kill the DuPlessy Q. No, hey, let me get... Why'd you kiss me? Oh, you know, I think I'd ever get a death shot. A whole movie's like that. Otis is like that in the beginning. When he has the two cops and he, you know, he's got...

Otis is a buffoon from the star. But he's part of the Lex problem. Bro, I didn't even realize, and this is what's wild because I guess this would have been Superman 2. I didn't even realize that Gold member got the whole prison break idea from Lex Luther and Otis

and da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. It's ridiculous. And the balloon, in the hot balloon. The hot air balloons. I'm just saying James Gunn and I see Lex Luther the same answer. I'm very excited. But I love that he's given some love to Rosemob. Well, that plays into the Superman conversation, then the casting that happens

inside of that. And I loved what he said about the casting, where, you know, you have all these rumors and everything to him. What are you addressed? And I thought that he did it in a right way. He goes, say what you want about, you know, James Gunn will go after people, in the press when they spout bullshit or spout stuff that he doesn't want them to know

because I have seen stuff, what I will say is this, I have seen people leak certain things is this is something that happened too, and I'll mention it in the spoiler, there's something that happens in the flash that I saw someone report. Yep. And James Gunn said it wasn't true. I don't know if you can do that.

Yeah. I don't know if you can do that. Because the person said, I heard this, and he said, absolutely not. Well, so, Why can't you do that? Well, because you're taking away the authentic, because you're lying. You're lying now.

Because it's not, you're throwing it because what we always liked about James Gunn is that he'll tell you, no, no, no. If you said this, okay, cool. I'll address it. What are we talking? I can't, I can't talk about it. Can we just edit this out for a second? No, not yet.

When we go to break, when we go to break. I'll tell you when we go to break. But, you know, I'll tell you what. We'll go to break. Let's go break. I love the chaos of this choice. It really is. But let me tell you, but first of all, too, let's get serious for a second.

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was, again, going back to the reporter side of it, right? Like, when he sees things out there and he goes, okay, well, I see this person reporting on this, this, and this and this, because Rosambebem said, oh, it looks like you guys are going to be locked up by Father's Day. And he said, I don't believe all that. He kind of dodged it a little bit, right? What he said, he's like, some of the stuff could be true

and some of the stuff, it isn't. And what I thought was fascinating that a lot of people don't think about was the casting, the agent side of it. Agents, if you're going in to test for it, and you didn't get far, but you tested for it, I'm your agent, and I call up how the reporter. You want that press?

we tested for this thing today. Yeah, now you've got five new meetings that day. I know your audition didn't go great. And I know you probably didn't get it. Right. But I'm going to tell people that you test it. It's huge. Because you're going to get the name out there.

Right. Because then people are going to write articles about it. And who the hell is like, I had never even heard of David Corrin Sweat before. Right. Now I know his name now I know his name a hundred times. Right. I do think he is one of the top dogs. And I think that it's him and I think it's Rachel, Rachel Brosnahanhan.

I do. I think some of these other people. But I loved guns reasoning behind it. I love guns like. conversation about it, bringing more awareness about the agent's side of it, but also bringing, like, he's like, he's like, look, I get it on the press side of it. I really do. You're trying to get the clicks on, you're trying to get the big story because it's a thing that's like, but when there's certain things that are being revealed by the agent about testing and this, he's like,

that's between us. This is personal thing because it's also not fair to the people who aren't going to get it. Right. You know, it's like, you know, and when you're getting PR, sure, sure, sure, but like, it's got to be devastating if you're, oh, maybe, you see that. You're publicly not, And you see that. Maybe I do have a shot at this thing. What are you going to say? No, no, no, you don't. You know, I'm just getting around.

But I got to wonder, to be honest with you, and maybe everybody's agents a little bit different. But, like, my agent's pretty honest with me. So if they're going to do something like that, there's got to be a belief in my mind. Agents like, look, man, I'm just to be real with you. It looks like they're going to a different direction. But we're going to spend this to get you some more steves right now. Because obviously, what we want is the job. But if we can't get it, let's get you another one.

I gotta believe that most of these agents are at least cluing their clients in. And I wouldn't be as offended by something like that just because, okay, fine. I didn't get Superman, but if you just leverage this so now all of a sudden, I'm going to go over here and play Wonder Man, like, fine. Yeah. I can do that. That's fine. Yeah, I mean, sure.

But I think that it just depends on how they're going to, what kind of game they're going to play. And then maybe they'll also tell you, I think you're in the running for this thing. You're in the running. You know, you got a shot. It is making me think we might not have the Comic-Con thing that I thought we would. Like, I don't know. The announcement is too soon. Well, because, like, you could announce the cast there.

I think they're going to announce the cast. I think they're going to announce the cast. Because I think that there'd be a good place for it. Minus. Minus. A two years out from. Right. If a Sack strike strike.

Because if Srike Sack. Then I think that it's either going to be a very quick turnaround. Like, it'll be, like, over in 10 days. Or the Sack strike's going to be like six months. Like, I think there's no in between. Because it's going to be the strike sack. Well, you said that I was. like, is he talking about

someone getting struck in the balls? It's going to be a strike sag. Hurry, get manscaped. I think that the studios are going to benefit off a drag psych. Wow, it's gotten worse. Stragsyke is a new two words. Sag.

Sagg? Strike. There's a benefit for the studios to have a sad strike. Quickly. Do better. Then they also might get greedy and be like, no, we can hold out. We can hold out. We can hold out. And it's going to cost them so much more a day.

It's 30 million a day now. Once SAG strikes, it's going to be like 50 to 70 million a day. If they have that, if that happens, then Comic Con will not happen. It'll be tiny. If it doesn't happen, we talked about this on a big thing yesterday with Roxy, that if it's just the writer's strike right now, if you're David Corrin's sweat, you're showing up to all age. James Gunn's asking you show up, you're showing up. Rachel Brosnan, same thing. She's a name, but like, not as big.

She'll show up. If they're cast, I'm just saying. But I do think that they are, I do think the Father's Day area within the next week or two, they're going to find who they're looking for. I think it's going to happen. I push back only in the sense that I know that James have, with his wife being an actress, with his brother being an actor, with him having acted at that point, I would feel that he specifically wouldn't put that kind of pressure on him.

I think it would be of like, you're saying showing up if the strike is happening. I'm saying, I'm saying writer strike. If the writer strike is going on. Sack strike, they're not going to, there's no chance to show up for Sack. Okay. I thought you were saying. I thought you were saying if that happens, if God asks you to come, you come anyway. That's why I'm saying the Sags strike is either going to be 10 days where it'll be done before Comic Con

or it's going to go through quarter four and then they won't be there. They're getting trouble if it's a Sack strike and they show up. You're putting him out, he wouldn't ask him to do that. No, but like, no, no. If it's if it's only the writer strike still going on, you know, because there are some actors right now that aren't doing anything for because of in solidarity for writers. But I think that and like there's no rules in SAG yet that says you can't go to the. There's, you cross the line for, this will be crossing the line if they do it and there's

a strike for SAG. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I will see how it plays, but I think it's interesting nonetheless that, um, of how we broke it down and I, but I do think it's going to be Cornswet and, and Brosnan. Yeah, those are the two names that have come up the most, the longest and I definitely like them. I still I've been one of the people that loves Nick Holt

has Superman idea. I know a lot of people don't. It's not popular. But there's also like three or four other names of Lois that I've loved. But now kind of like what we're talking about, I'm going to look at their work. Like I didn't know them. I had, like I love Ms. Maisel, so I already knew Brosnahan. It's cool to have the discovery even by like almost casting, however it works out.

Well, that's what's hilarious about it is that I think Nicholas Holt is a phenomenal actor. I think he's really good. I mean, like, really he's like next level good. He's going to be a guy that's around for a long time. He's good. He's great and everything. He's awesome. I'm a huge fan. But I'm at me, I'm like

nah, I think it's Corinswet. I've never seen this guy do a soap commercial. You know, I haven't seen him do anything. So he could be, I could say, yeah, yeah, and I'm like, oh man, we should got in the Holt. But I'm just going off a look. To me, I'm going off a look. And that's not the right way to do it. That's why, again, I said, like, when it comes to James

Gunn, the guy knows how to cast. So if he cast Nicholas Holt, I'm going to do the, hmm, that stinks. I would have rather him than two years later. Yeah, but I just think that he's just too, I think he's, well, I like the idea of Superman being, it's just so synonymous to what Clark Kent is. Nobody knows who, who he is. And he just kind of shows up one day, right? And there's like this unknown character that makes such an impact. And that's what I want to see the actor do. That's what the actor has always done. Whether it's Henry Cavill.

Sasha called it, man. Sasha is so good. See, I really like, it's Sasha Kaye, apparently. That's what people have been talking about. Sasha Kaye. I said, I said the same thing. People have been telling me it's Sasha Kaye. That's a cooler name, Sasha Kaye. But so I thought she was very impactful. It's like Bruce Willis. Diehard. Not really. Yippe Kaye?

Sasha Kaye? It totally is. Sasha Kaye. I thought you meant Willis. Oh, no. But no, but she's really, she's really good in the movie. She's really good in the movie. The problem, I just think she's, the character is super underdeveloped.

Oh, interesting. Really. Yeah. Well, they don't, they give, they give enough time to get some of the, the, the base points out there. Yeah. She does, she does everything. she's asked to do. Have they said yet if she's going to be the one doing Supergirl Woman tomorrow?

She won't be doing DCUs. Well, they haven't said that. But it seemed like when Andy Mochetti was talking about, you know, how it's opened up for else worlds and all that kind of stuff. They could probably do an Elseworld movie with her. She's been getting great responses from people. I thought she was intense. She's a highlight movie for me.

She was great. Yeah, see, I won't go that far as because it has nothing to do with her. I just don't think the writing for her character was that strong. I feel like she's the only new. character and with that she did like so well to make it like when she was on screen I wasn't like let's go back to people I know I was like I want to learn more about her totally agree pulled in is always a string so I agree with that like when he comes to like let's say again the character like Riva in in Obi-1 yeah brand new character they didn't give her a proper writing in that one but more so of like you're gonna have you're focused everybody's looking to see this one particular story between these two dudes that we know right you got to make this character super impactful you're gonna make that with yeah yeah for the for what was given to you're you're gonna make that with yeah for the for what was given to to Sasha Kaye in that role for what anytime she was on. I wanted to watch her. Anytime she was there,

I wasn't like, so I'm separating the writing a bit more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I'm acknowledging like what she was doing. She was fantastic. But like, yeah, I think it was more so about the writing where to me I was like, well, what else?

Let's learn more. Because she was so good. I wanted to learn more about her. And I would always prefer that than like, why a Supergirl distracting from my flash. Right. Like, okay, let's like, and that's go back to Keaton. This is nothing.

Again, nothing that's Moses, Ingram. But like, at the end of the Obi-Wan, that you get to that scene where Vader and Obi-Wan to fight it and then they cut to her with Owen and Baru and you're like, get out of it. And I never felt like she was a B-plot.

I did feel like Moses Ingram was forced into a B-plot. Again, not against her, but a B-plot. Writing wasn't there. This wasn't that it was bad writing. This was that it was just not developed. And there was so many moving parts that it was hard to add that plate. Yeah, yeah.

All right, we got more to talk about too, but there's a lot here, man. There's a lot that we're talking about thus far. But let's get into this next story. The Incredible Hulk. it's finally coming to Disney Plus and it's happening way sooner than expected this is from Josh Wilding

over a comic book movie. There have been rumblings for a while that the Incredible Hulk might finally join its fellow MCU movies on Disney Plus but now it's been confirmed and you don't have to wait very long. Iron Man launched the MCU in style and The Incredible Hulk followed a few short months later.

The movie didn't receive the same overwhelmingly positive critical and commercial response making it something of a black sheep in the MCU not helping matters was the backstage drama that ensued with Ed Norton. He'd walk away from the role, opening the door to Mark Ruffalo, which he's probably kicking himself

in the ballback for taking over as Bruce Banner, four years later, in The Avengers. The 2008 blockbuster has rarely been referenced by MCU, although that finally changed in She-Hulk, attorney-at-law, several characters from the movie will also return in Captain America, Brave New World, with the prevailing theory that there's going to set the stage for a World War Hulk project.

While The Incredible Hulk was made available on HBO Max early last year, Disney Plus has announced that it'll be there, starting tomorrow. Holy moly. This is great news. That would be today, I guess, especially for the newer MCU fans who may not have had the chance to watch the Jade Giant Solo's outing before now. While by no means perfect, there's a lot to enjoy about the blockbuster between Hulk, Vomination. Marvel Studios has teamed up with Universal to make the move, and it's because of that. We haven't seen the Hulk take center stage in his own movie since. The two sides clearly reach an agreement to bring the Hulk to Disney. So here's hoping it stays there. Okay. So this

is, I disagree with the fact that it's just not a great, but I love this movie. I love The Incredible Hulk. It was one of my, and the score in that film is so good. And I like it. I mean, Ruffalo is now because he's just done it so much. And he's kind of take your word, to kind of take the nuance of what I always knew Hulk was, you know, and he's really kind of taken more of a, I don't know, they both are really good in it. There's very different. I love Ed Norton's take on. Ed Norton's so meditative. Ed Norton's is so ponderous and it's so much more Bixby. And I like, so it's kind of like my thing with the Spider-Man. I think that Sam Ramey's Spider-Man is a Silver Age Spider-Man. I think that the use of Andrew Garfield is the closest to the comic, but I think Tom Hollins is the only one that could work in a team. I feel the same about Mark Ruffalo. I don't think Ed Norton's works in a team. I think Mark Ruffalo's Hulk is the best team Hulk you can get,

whereas Ed Norton's is a more authentic to the comic book Hulk because it is not a team player. And I think that's the strength of them both. But that's what I liked about Ruffalo, though, I think that he was, this shows you how good of an action. he is though I always felt that he was the Ed Norton character that just learned more. Like I think that I don't I think you talked to Ed Norr to Mark Ruffalo. He's like yeah I definitely watched a movie and watched that performance to see where I needed to go from there because when when Black Widow approaches him in Infinity War it's kind of the first time we see him right and

and and he's the original Avengers but yeah original Avengers sorry I just heard that too. Yes, sorry original Avengers but when she approaches him there and and they're all surrounding him and he knows it. But there was like he he's been taking that time from the first movie to breathe and learn the jihitsu stuff and all that, you know, to get there and to be a piece. So I always believe there was a transgression, a progression of it. So I don't know. I just felt that Mark Rufflow always has that, um, like actually from Avengers, same where Downey and him are having that scene together. There's that inherent like he doesn't want to be near. He doesn't want to be touched. He's got that thing. Whereas I always found like Ed Norton was more of a mental. He always played it like

more introspectively. Because the second Hulk movie was one of the best. storylines I'd ever heard for Hulk that they never did. Like the sequel to Ed Norton's Hulk was going to be like in his head meditation. It was going to be about like him going on a walkabout. And like that fascinates me. But that's not like an MCU Hulk movie. So I feel like they're just playing. It's the same character.

But Ruffalo's take suits what the MCU is doing better. It isn't now. But like to be honest with you, where we were even with Avengers, it would have fit. It would have fit. It's just where we are at this very moment. Sure. But remember, just like every variant in timeline we've, talked about. That's because we've walked down this path.

Right. Or that much further down the journey. I think Edward Norton's would have been just fine, especially because when you look at some of those scenarios, I think that was what was a little more interesting. I do agree that he was really focused on the meditation and stuff. He felt way more nervous and on edge. Constantly. Oh, yeah, sure. And there's something about that, that to me, when you get to some of the later Bruce Banner storylines, I do agree he's more Mark Ruffalo-esque, where he's kind of figured it out. Yeah.

But there are so many stories like when he hasn't yet and he is constantly on edge. There is something about losing that as quickly as we did that does take a little bit away because I don't necessarily feel like there's a nuclear bomb in the room. I would love to have the Ed Norton take return. And like maybe that's something that can happen because of the events at the end of, yeah. Or Dick, can you imagine an actual Ed Norton movie? Like, oh, to go that way. Yeah, they're not going to do that. They're not going to do it.

But like those are the dreams we have now with Elseworld. Who's to say, well. I guess it doesn't necessarily work because these are all supposed to be the same universe. But I was like, who's to say that they wouldn't necessarily have a very... That's not necessarily true because we don't know which characters are nexus beings, which aren't. We could have literally... Look what we're doing with Harrison Ford. He's going to be playing a character that's...

But every time you get into this. No, but for real, and you do it well, but like... It's so confusing to the average person. Like, remember when you guys were doing this like a couple weeks ago where you're talking... And this and this and this and I'm like, nothing to you guys, but like, shut up. But not for what you're talking about, because you guys are

geeking out about it, but like to the person... Hey, the critic came out. Yeah, 100%. This is why you're CCA, right? No, no, but 100% to where it's just like, you're just like, whoa, this person was in this issue of this comic book, and that person could show up that person with a different mustache and that person could come up and their hat could be red, but that person's hat should be green, and it's like, this is why the MCU is in trouble at the moment.

But I think that's what Secret Wars is going to do is fix. I think it's literally going to collide it all together. I think we're going to find out in Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars that some of the universes are not the same one that we think they are. I think there's a reason Spider-Man swung through the same tree that Hawkeye fought out, but it wasn't there. I think there's going to be things that show like these are different timelines and then they're all going to crash together. And it's going to confuse a lot of people, but then it's going to clean it up. I think the flash, one of the best things the Flash did. This is not a spoiler.

One of the best things the Flash did was explain the power of the multilverse through spaghetti. And I've been craving spaghetti ever since. Yeah, they know. I thought they did it way better than the MCU has done it. So clean. explained it a lot better in general of like how certain people could be there when other people weren't it was it was just within one conversation you're like okay now I understand your rules I still don't understand Marvel's rules but I understand your rules I agree well I don't you know what

the best example the best explanation they did of it was Loki it's just I don't know how long ago it is it's been that you've seen it because like they did do a very good job of just like with the whole pruning it's like literally that it's just every single time something happened you're just making these branches of it's like sure that you're just making these Sure, but that was Loki's rules, it seemed like. It seemed more so like it's Loki's rules because sometimes it didn't seem like it takes... And the reason why I don't think it takes

a lot of rules, not necessarily the multiverse, but the rule, we just had this big conversation two weeks ago. The rules doesn't pertain to everyone else because the writers of Dr. Strange 2 didn't watch the movie, watch one division. So they don't know those rules. You know what I'm saying, though? That's what I mean. But it knows the same conversation. It's the same because you... That's the problem within that conversation. They don't know

the rules. The people inside of writing... inside of the same place that should have the same rules, don't know those rules. There needs to be a show Bible. Or they didn't have a chance to watch it because it wasn't out yet. Read the scripts, guys. Yeah, those have been done for a while.

The show Bible for Marvel used to feel so buttoned up that that's why I think part of me is hoping that's how they fix the Dr. Strange problem is by going like, okay, there's too many erroneous things that don't line up. We have to solve it. Erroneous on all accounts. Conjecture, Your Honor.

But I think that's how you solve it. I, you know what's interesting. and this is what shocks me is I remember when we're in the Civil War era, when we're in the end game, Infinity War era, I remember watching all of these behind the scenes of like essentially having your Arthur

in the round table of directors with Figey and then being like, okay, it's going to be this and this. And so while obviously the Russo's are the ones running the ship at the time, because they're brain trust. They're literally all, they're like, okay, cool. If that happens and we go to Wakanda, Ryan, what do you think?

Okay, then we have this thing. And then James Gumma do comic book punchups. And it was like a universal, like, you had the cosmic, you had the punchups, you had the story of team stuff. I don't know that's... If people aren't reading scripts now, if people don't know what all, then that, then there's... You want to, you want a sports reference again? Sure. All right.

So, Marvel is baseball and DC is football. Okay. Where Marvel... Oh, God, they're on the way out. Pastime. America's pastime was baseball. for years, years. And the football said,

get out the way. And there's still baseball fans. There's tons of baseball. Baseball's very popular. It's just baseball's just not number one game in town anymore. There it is. We just hit the NFL, AFL merger right now.

So now the question is, will football really take the spotlight? Right. Because they've got to do it first. They got to, they got to land. Is it going to be the NFL or the CFL? The XFL, with the Rock Run and Blackout.

Or the XFL. He hate me. Let's go. He hate me. I love that. I love that he hate me. It was the only thing that's stuck from that thing. That's the only thing that's stuck.

That was it. Unbelievable. And that was the first rendition of it. Is it still on? It's back. It's back. I know it's been back, but I don't know if it's stuck around.

No, the Rock has a... Yeah, the Rock has a huge... Yeah. I think he owns owns it now, like 51% or something. Really? Yeah.

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All right, let's do this. Let's move. I want to talk about Secret War or Secret Invasion, excuse me. All right, Secret Invasion, guys. This show came out for screeners. I think it comes out this. The 21st. Yeah, the 21st.

I have not watched it yet. I've seen the tweets and all that. I think we go back to the, this is initially where Coy's tweet about the critics, I think, came out. Was that I saw you guys both tweeting about, I saw Winston's first, because Winston had first said I had watched one episode. I like where they're going with it. I want to see more.

And then I saw his initial, his follow-up tweet that was like, oh, this is a good show. I saw Roka. Roka really liked it. It's like dark at times. And I saw Koi because of this kind of the Marvel that I'm looking for. I've seen people in our space that's seen the light. But then I see, I wonder if it's the same thing we're just talking about. Like the people who are just going, there's another freaking Marvel thing.

I got to watch this now. Boom. I wonder. I haven't seen it yet. So I don't know if I'm maybe going to be on that page. but Winston, first thoughts on this show. Yeah, you know, it's funny. I think people misread my tweet,

and that might have been kind of my own fault. I, out of respect for what they did at the end of Falcon and Winter Soldier and changed the name officially to Captain America in the Winter Soldier, my tweet was saying that it was a blend of Wanda Vision and essentially the Falcon in the Winter Soldier or Captain America. People read that as, oh, it's Captain America, the Winter Soldier meets Wanda Vision. Oh, Christ.

crap, like as in the movie. Oh, gotcha, gotcha. I think you could make the argument that it kind of brings in all three of them for sure. Because there are feels of it sometimes. Like I'm thinking about when U.S. agent like murders that one of the flag smashers. It gives that kind of brutality at times. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It gives that kind of brutality at times and it kind of can have that tone at times.

But I do think it blends all three of those. particular series or film and two series and it gives you that and that's what makes it kind of interesting the only thing that I think they did better without getting into it we obviously know that the scrolls are involved I don't think we necessarily had as much of a connection with the the lead flag smash what was it Carly Carly I don't think we have as much connection with her I think it's kind of what felt shoehorned there is a a personal connection you're having with a few of the scrolls that are caught in the middle of this that I think they did significantly better.

How many episodes? No, no, no, no. Six total. Is it six total? It's only six. Yeah. See, I like that. Hmm.

I like that. To me, that means we have a story we're going to tell. We know exactly where we want to go. We don't want to push this just to push this. And how long were the episodes? 40 minutes. An hour? 52 and 56.

What? I mean, mine were. Probably. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They weren't. What it is is remember all that. All that credits is part of that runtime. I'm looking at the actual file.

So you could be right. It's about 46. It's about 46. Okay. Yeah, the actual, the file was 52. That's a good episode.

That's a good runtime. It's not one of these 28, 32 minute. Yeah, not, yeah. But, and I talked to the director,

and he said that he basically did exactly what he set out to do, and the, the show's length is with the intent of the story. So I like that some might be shorter, some might be longer, but they told the story they wanted to tell. So I think six is beautiful.

Six is great. I think if this story, the landing, it'll be up there with Loki for me. Loki's my favorite Marvel show. I posted that. I didn't realize Loki was so hated. I got so much crap. They were like, I greeted everything. Dude, I got literally more retweets going like, greeted everything blood said, except for the

Loki bit. I guess his points irrelevant. Like, I got so much Loki hate. I liked Loki. I thought Loki was the best thing. One Division's my favorite than Loki's. If Wandavision had stuck the landing in episode six, it would be my favorite. But for me, the landing didn't quite. So for me, I'm always like, how's episode six going to be?

Because for me, Moon Knight didn't land six. I feel like Hawkeye didn't land six. I feel like Wanda Vision. You're right. Moon Night. Moon Night was so good until five. No, it was five.

It was great. Sorry. Until five. Five was like one of the best television. See, I went one, two, were great, drag. Five was incredible.

And then I just didn't care. And so they keep having a six problem. So if I think of Secret Invasion can land this, if it can land the plane, six, they have a six problem. Then this is going to be my favorite shows,

maybe more than Loki because of what they've set up. Yeah, and they treated like a full kind of three, four hour, or maybe five-hour movie. Because the one thing I will say without spoiling anything, there are times where you can see the writing on the wall about what about what's about to happen. And then that does happen.

And then they completely pull a switch route. Yeah. Wait, what? Yeah, I'm excited to watch it because I'm going to watch it this weekend. Like I think, like bar none, I think Loki's got the best world building. Like Andor style. I think, yes, dude, it's exactly and or. Because Marvel, I think Loki's got the best writing for exposition and story and a great moments of dialogue.

But they have to do so much. There's not enough moments. of just Mobius and Loki talking that I wanted. And then Wanda Vision, I think, has the best spectacle tying in a lot of lore. This is literally a series of scenes with Sam Jackson talking to John Cheadle. Sam Jackson talking about the development.

And it's genius. Now, I know that this was shot before Andor and all that too, but I do think that Andor is going to really start to, for the better, change some stuff in the geek television world. I think that people were like, well, people responded to Andor because the people that were saying, oh, it's boring, it didn't do very well, they haven't been paying attention to their ratings

because... The fact that it did so well that they then re-released it on ABC. Yeah, they re-released it, more people started watching it, the ratings, because streaming works differently than movies. Like, you know, if you go to see a movie

in the theater, the first two weekends, and nobody goes and sees it, and it starts to eat shit, where do people usually find it? On television? Yeah. Or on streaming. So when your show already lives there,

I don't know what this is. I watch this off. And then people are talking about, all right, I'm going to check this out. People are checking it out today for the first time. So Andrew's been doing really well.

And the reason I bring that up is because I think that more people are going to, in the room, you can see it like, well, it's kind of like Andor in this version. Yeah. It's kind of like Andor here. You're going to start to hear that

because Andor is now a potential Emmy Award nominated show. Because geeks grew up. That's the thing. It's like genre content isn't just for kids. It's all ages. And I think Andor was finally them going, let's make a Star Wars. that's mature. Let's make something for something.

Like, it's been, we've been with Star Wars for 40 years of 35, 77, so. So, yeah, like a while. And our generation has come back to it for 20. So it's time to let the 30 year olds that are enjoying this stuff have a 30 year old show. And I think that Andor and Secret Invasion are the first two that feel fully that. I mean, it's, it's, it's mind-blowing to me that we're still having

to have this conversation when you think about, Logan, Deadpool. Take it out of of superheroes for a second. Game of Thrones. Fantasy, in theory, in what, in theory, what grown-ass man that is maybe, like,

would necessarily dive into, like, dragons and wizards? You would initially, what did everybody say on the show came out? They're like, oh, it's kind of like, Lord of the Rings. You're like, on steroids. Right. And so that's the whole thing, is, like, once you realize, okay, yes, I'm set in this fantasy world.

However, it's all about politics, like duplicitousness, all, and you're really getting into the character building of it. If you do the same thing with Star Wars, if you do the same thing with superheroes, then... But it's not to say you can have a balance on both, right? Absolutely. For sure.

Like, there's ones that you can have, like, you can... It doesn't mean you have to dumb it down. It just means that the tone shifts a little bit. Just like comics. You buy certain books, certain runs. And that's what I think they finally did with Secret Invasion. And I didn't expect... I expected Winter Soldier.

I actually got, like, Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy. I got like a true mature spy. I'm excited to watch it. It comes out soon. I'm going to watch it this weekend, I think, and check out those two episodes. Oh, you got to do it today. Why?

Our cutoff is today. Oh, is it? It was only for like a four-day window. Oh, shoot. Does it end today? Tomorrow, like today, midnight, Friday. Friday, ends on Friday. So I have to watch it tonight, basically, from when we shoot this.

Okay. That was about as confusing as the multiverse. So thank you guys for joining us here on today's show, Big Thing, Caps and Calves. Once again, if you were able to, I always put the sponsors in the Pinned comment. So if you're like, oh, I want to know what your link is. is what kind of right there that's how you keep the show going that's how you keep the show on the air and that's how you benefit yourself by getting one of our wonderful sponsors i'd like to thank both winston and coy winston we're going to find you yo you can find me at the swaggy blur on all the

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