The Kristian Harloff Show - Hogwarts Legacy to become a HBOMax Show?! INTERVIEW: Cleopatra Coleman

Episode Date: February 27, 2023

HBO Max is making moves. Rumors were that they were looking to make a Harry Potter and the Cursed Child movie. Now thier is a report that the popular game Hogwarts Legacy is being developed into a TV show for the streaming platform. The Flash, another WB project is getting a release at Cinemacon. Cleopatra Coleman joins Kristian today to discuss her body of work. They discuss her new films A Lot of Nothing and infinity Pool and the difference preparing for both. How did working on The Last Man on Earth sharpen the tools in the acting tool box. Kristian tries to get some Rebel Moon stuff but don't expect anything there just yet. This and more on today's Big Thing! #theflash #hogwarts #CleopatraColeman #rebelmoon ATHLETIC GREENS: http://www.athleticgreens.com/bigthing GREEN CHEF: http://www.greenchef.com/thing60 MAGIC MIND: http://www.magicmind.co/Kristian CODE: KRISTIAN20 Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-big-thing-kh-channel?ref_id=27393 FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg

What's going on, everybody? Happy Thursday. Thanks for joining me back here on the Big Day. Christian Harloff here. There's a lot of stories, a lot of stories going on, whether it's this big one I'm talking about here with the Hogwarts Legacy. Is it going to be a TV show? There's rumors that Kirschild was going to be a movie. Well, they're going to do a TV show now with the popularity that is the video game.

Are they going to make it an actual TV series? I don't know. Well, they're also talking about TV series that aren't going to happen. True Blood. There's supposed to be a spinoff. Ain't going to happen. and there's a spinoff of succession that was talked about. It ain't going to happen, apparently.

If you hear it from the HBO Max Xex's mouth. The Flash, it's screening at Cinemicon. That's a big piece of news, man. Speaking of D.C., Shazam, it ain't tracking too well. But I'll tell you something, it is tracking very well. And that's Rebel Moon. That's Zach Snyder's big science fiction film that comes out at the end of the year. Well, I got an opportunity to talk to one of the stars of that film.

Cleopatra Coleman. Cleopatra came in and sat down with me inside studio and we talked about a half an hour. Now, I'm telling you right now, she didn't really talk much about Rebel Moon. She can't, not allowed to. But she's been in a lot of cool stuff, man. She's in Infinity Pool. She's in a film called A Lot of Nothing. She was in Dope Sick, Last Man on Earth.

There's a lot. She is really a cool, cool person. She really is. I never met her before, but she came in and we sat down. We just talked for half an hour, just down to Earth. It was very easy to talk to. I felt like I was just having coffee with somebody and just kind of shooting the ish.

And that will be in today's show. So I'll get to show you that. I love for more people to learn about her and what she's doing because I think she's a megastar and she's going to be doing a lot of great stuff and especially with the Rebel Moon coming out. So that interview will be up in just a little bit. So it's a really fun episode.

Yes, both Roxy and Brett not on the show today. This is kind of a single week of me, so I know you might be getting sick of just me, but deal with it. We've got a pretty good slate here today, so I'm pretty excited about it. All right, and before we get into anything else, as I mentioned to you guys before, not only we on Apple, on Spotify, I'm on video. People have been really watching the video on Spotify. I love that. I'm hearing a lot of stuff.

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All right. Let's get into it. Cleopatra Coleman on the show today. I'm ready, you're ready. It's the big thing. Let's do it. Ready?

Cool. Boom. What's going on, everybody? Thanks to joining me. I told you a ton of stuff today to talk about and a really fun episode to boot. Good interview. I always like meeting new people.

Especially when there's like, so Perry and Emmeroff reached out and said, hey, would you be interested in sitting down and talking to Cleopatra Coleman? And I'm like, yeah, man, because I'm pumped about Rebel Moon. I want to see what that's all about. But then I had a chance to see some of our other stuff. And you just tell when someone's got that thing, she's got that thing. So I'm excited for you guys to see the conversation that we had.

I'll show you in a little bit here. But I did. My review for Cocaine Bear is up right now. Non-spoiler. By the time this comes out, the embargo will lift it. so I'll just give you, again, my thoughts if you haven't seen the review itself. I was really hoping to love this movie. It really was.

I thought it could just be batched shit crazy with, and it is. It is definitely crazy, but I guess with the idea of a blend of I understand what they're going for, let's make it funny, even though it's kind of sucks what happened to the bear. Poor bear wasn't looking for some honey, and then I got some honey. But you know what I mean? And then I thought, okay, they're going to turn into the, this kind of crazy comedy because if you think about it, a barrel hopped up on cocaine running around the joint, it could be really silly and wacky.

And they hit some of that wackiness, but it's just, I don't know, some of the jokes just don't hit. And for me, the way that it played, I had a, to me, it had a really, the tone was all over the place. And it didn't really, I felt it didn't really know what it wanted to be. There are times that it feels like a full-on slasher kind of horror, gory film where you're supposed to feel like, oh, and then like the next scene they'll like, yeah, but we want you to really laugh now.

I'm still recovering from that last scene. If something happens in a tree, I'll just say that. And I was watching going, oh, this isn't it. Sometimes it's like, it's not easy to watch. And there's other times, I know, but this is funny. And it's like, yeah, but I'm so, I'm kind of traumatized from that last thing. And some people might like that. Some people might really, I think this is,

going to be one where people go, what do you expect? It's a cocaine beer. You go into the movie knowing it's a bizarre film. It's just a matter of whether the tone does it for you or not. So, you know, nonetheless, it's still, it's a, I think, counter programming to stuff that's out right now. So take it as you will. Enjoy it. Don't enjoy it. What can I tell you? You got your own mind, right? Cool. This week's pretty awesome when it comes to the stuff we got going on, because not only do we have Cleopatra on today's show, tomorrow we have Katie O'Brien on the show. It's going to be capes and cows.

But again, it seems to be me, but Caves, cows, we have Katie O'Brien, who if you know Katie O'Brien, she is in, she is in Ant Man and the Wasp, Quantumania. And she's also in the Mandalorian. She's also in Mandalorian Season 3. So that'll be on tomorrow's show. She was in for about 15, 20 minutes. Got a good chance to talk. And then on Monday, speaking of Mandalorian,

Katie Sackoff is on the show, full episode with Katie, a little over an hour and 10 minutes, myself, Katie, and Brett Sheridan, as we prep to watching the Mandalorian season three. And then on Tuesday, I'll have an immediate reaction and out of the theater reaction

because I'm going to see a screening of the Mandalorian season three, episode one, maybe episode two, but I would assume episode one, on Tuesday night. So I'll have an out-of-the-the-the-the-the-the-reaction for that one when I see it. And then obviously a lot of coverage for that. We'll have the last of us. Spoiler review for episode seven, I think it is, this Sunday. And a lot's going on for the channel, man.

Then Scream 3, scream 6. I'm going to see that. Coming up. So I'll have an out-of-the-the-the-the-theter for that. I'll have reviews for that. Creed, by the way, Creed 3. The review for that should be up tomorrow morning around 9 a.m. And then I'll lead into Capes and Cows a little later.

Lots of short form have been playing on the channel so you can check that. I just did kind of greatest hits for the big thing. People liked it, really liked it. So maybe we'll do a few more of those kind of funny, funny moments from the show and put them on the shorts. All right, let's get into some of this news. We'll start with the one that is leading the show, and that's this Hogwarts thing, man.

The Hogwarts thing. This is, they're definitely, now, when there's this much smoke, there's fire, right? They're trying to figure out what they can do. They need more IPs, Winter Brothers, so they try really browsing around the Harry Potter world and the Hogwarts world. And this is something that Roxy Stryor said years ago that they should be doing a Harry Potter series. And they should.

And so this is a new. report at Scooper's giant freaking robot and it claims that HBO Max TV series based on the just-released Hogwarts Legacy video game, which itself is inspired by the Harry Potter franchise, is in development at the streamer. The site says that the series is still in early phases, and like the game itself, it will be set well before the events of both Harry Potter and the Fantastic Beast franchise. It's set in the 1800s. The game has players stepping into the shoes of a student at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, who has a rare ability to tap into ancient magic. The game has been a smash hit since its release on all the platforms

on February 10th with receiving good reviews in a statement last week to variety. Warner Brothers games, David Haddad says we are very pleased with the initial launch and see a bright future for other platform launches. He also adds that the player engagement is spectacular. So far we have tracked over 152 million hours played, 173 million magical plants grown, 150 million potions, yada, yada, yada. The title also enjoyed the biggest European launch outside of the FIFA and Call of Duty series. since Red Dead Redemption in 2018. Okay, so, yeah, man, look, when you have the IP,

and as it's playing, it's doing really well, and I think after the last of us, people are going to start to tap into these games, and hopefully, hopefully, what the last of us has done is get people to realize that you can adapt things, still maneuver away from, make things a little different, you know, kind of a pivot away,

but still keeping it to its core. Because that's what Last of Us does. I've been playing the game, and I'm caught up. I'm actually a little bit past where we, I'm approaching spoiler territory for where I am and Last of Us. But for the most part,

there's some really good changes, I think, from the game and things that make it better and some things that, you know, I could see where the audience is like, oh, I wish I would have kept that particular, detail in there, but overall what they've done and the way that they've maneuvered around it and they've kept the creator on and done, like, that's the kind of stuff you need to do. And I think that if they, you know, I haven't played this game yet. So I hope that they stick with

the, if it's the story itself that is what is fun, I don't know. For people who play the game, you guys tell me. But if the story itself is the thing that is kind of captivating people to play it, then that's what they should adapt, obviously. But if it's the stuff that you just feel like you're in the castle and it's that kind of throwback to what made the original so, I don't know, that connected everybody to them. What is it exactly that people are gravitating towards? I want to play the game and I want to double check it and see. So you can see why HBO is going to do this, why they would want to do this, why they would

want to do this. And the fact that it's almost like Star Wars with the old Republic, right? you're putting, or New Republic, I guess, with the Acolyte, you're putting it so far away from anything else that you've done, the prequels, I guess in this case would be Fantastic Beasts and not finishing that series, but going back into Hogwarts and playing into that side of it is what they need to do in general.

Now, if there was another report that it was recent that said that they're also thinking about adapting Curst Child making that a movie with the original cast. So there's a lot, I think, like I said, there's a lot of reports coming out about this right now. So whether or not it's going to happen or not, I don't know. But I'll tell you, one of the things I've been telling you guys about talking about it, and this is the one to address. I addressed it on Sith Council yesterday.

I'll address it here too. He had a response to somebody who had said about the sponsors when we talk about sponsors. And it's like, hey, man, I've been watching you for a long time. And I really like your stuff. And I watch every video that you do. but I got to be honest, you know, it's like every sponsor that you have, it's like you love it, you love the sponsor, and how can I believe it? Because I only take sponsors that I like.

I only take sponsors. We get pitched stuff all of the time. We get pitched stuff all the time, which is a great problem to have. We get pitched stuff all the time. But it's like if I don't feel like it's something that myself or anybody on my show will use or like or enjoy and that the audience won't like, Like you guys are going to know whether it's, you got, you try it and you don't like it. I try this thing that you, this I have not seen from people that I, that I have talked,

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It was show the big movies, and the Flash is one of the big ones that they're showing this year, and I couldn't be more stoked. Some Dark Horizons. The report is that for a while, we've been hearing now that Warner Brothers has been bullish about the Flash film due to rave reactions out of test screenings. The studio is now putting its money where its mouth is with the Hollywood reporter reporting that the film will premiere in its entirety at this year's CinemaCon in late April. So it is the convention of theater owners from the 24th to the 24th, 27th of April, and we'll show the film to a packed audience of thousands of full seven weeks before its theatrical release on June 16th. With the reaction bound to get out from the screening, Werners appears to be confident enough in the final product that they're not worried about the reaction getting out so early.

Last year, Paramount used Cinemocont to launch Top Gun Maverick, which got big reviews, and that certainly helps. So maybe that's their strategy behind it. This is pretty great. I'm loving this. I love that we're getting the Flash at Cinemacon. I've never been before. I've always wanted to go, Ellis and I, when we were doing Shmows, we never did it. We always talked about it, but we never did it.

And it was the one that we probably should have done the most out of all of them. But I'll be honest, like Comic-Con and even Star Wars Celebration and all those. I'm a big fan of them. I've done them a bunch of times, but for Comic-Con, especially now with what I do for my channel, It's such like an up and down relationship as far as work goes with San Diego Comic-Con. When Mark and I started doing Comic-Con in like, I think it was like 2012, and that was with Fandango at Timemovies.com, we did a bunch of like lists and talked to people there. So it was a lot of work where we were on the floor doing that stuff.

So we needed to be there for certain things. And then as we started to do more with Shmose and Comic-Con, And we would get into Hall H and we do a lot of Hall H stuff and all the footage was pretty much exclusive. And they didn't release a lot to the public. So we would cover stuff. And it was before trailer reactions even really kind of popped to the way that the kind of the business, honestly, that it is now. And then, as I mentioned, you know, that they started to release trailers around the same time as they released them. There is still exclusive footage.

There's no doubt about it. and there was a lot at celebration, there was a lot of Comic-Con, but they released a lot of the trailers at the same time to get people kind of pumped up about what's going on there. And for me, for this channel and in general, it actually makes more sense. It actually is harder for me to grow the channel

and get my word out there. If I'm doing, you know, if there's like a big, let's say there's an acolyte trailer that drops for celebration. And I'm in the convention hall. when it happens and I don't put my kind of trailer reaction out there first it's it's tougher it's tougher to kind of grow the audience with it I shouldn't necessarily say that with celebration though too because even though I didn't get a chance to get those reactions and everything out there first I had a lot of I mean that that was a that was a pretty big month as far as views went because I was I guess I got the john

williams thing and and it's like again that exclusive stuff but it's it's a balance of what you you want to try to do with it in general. So, but I've done it, I guess I've also done Comic-Con and celebration so many times. And I've never done Cinemicon. And I just think that the fact that they show so much stuff. And I mean, the Flash, I assume Guardians of Galaxy, Mission Impossible, if I was to guess. So I wanted to go check it out, do the kind of out-of-the-the-theater reactions then, because I've also gotten a lot of feedback from you guys

that that's one of the things on the channel that you guys are enjoying the most. So to get an out of the theater of The Flash, and when the Flash comes in, because that movie comes out the week before we leave to go to New York and then Stanford, we're going to be doing both of those clubs for the big thing, which I'll have more information on very, very soon. But yeah, it's, it's, it's, there's, that's, that's pretty exciting.

and it does show the confidence that Warner Brothers has in it. And I think because if you look at the strategy of what certain movies did there last year, as they mentioned in the article, Top Gun, it makes a lot of sense. So what say you guys? You think this is a good move for them to show it at CinemaCon? I'm very curious to hear what you think. Warner Brothers making some moves overall. First two stories, Warner Brothers stories.

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You got to see this interview with Cleopatra. She is, what a cool name, and I tell her as much inside of this. I'm a really big fan already just from talking to her, as I mentioned in my intro, I felt like I was just sitting down talking to someone like a coffee shop. And we had a really great conversation. I try to get some stuff out of Rebel Moon,

but, you know, she's not giving anything. Nor should she. You don't get her in trouble. But anyway, enjoy my conversation here with her, and then I'd love to hear your comments about it. And then when we get back from the interview, we'll go a little bit more into the Shazam stuff and how it's tracking. But please enjoy my interview here.

with Cleopatra Coleman. Enjoy it. All right, everybody. I'm excited. My next guest. You might know her from Dobsick, Last Man on Earth. She's got a lot of other things coming out.

We know, and I'm not going to be able to ask you anything about it, so don't start thinking, oh, you're going to ask a lot about Rebel Moon. Don't worry about it. You know it when it comes out. It comes out in December. A lot of nothing is an infinity pool. They're all movies that my next guest has been in television shows. Well, please, welcome.

Cleopatra Coleman. Hello. How are you? I'm great. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to talk to you for a lot of different reasons. One, because I might just been to fly on a wall in a conversation one time when you were there. And my daughter, who is, I have two, and I have one that is five years old. And she is very much into ballet and dancing.

Rumor has it, that's how you started. And that's what you wanted to do. And I just wanted to talk to you about that because at some point when you're dancing and you know, and younger, younger, and I can't remember anything when I was younger. And like, do you have kind of vivid memories of that and knowing? Or, I mean, how did that start out that you first kind of fell in love with dancing? I do. I remember going to a class at age four and just feeling like this was something I needed to continue doing to the point where I told my parents.

That's what I will be doing. And we did a performance. It was an under the sea themed performance. And I just remember the feeling of being on stage. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's amazing how, like, there's just certain things, especially, and I'm sure, you know, your parents can see it in you.

Like, there's, like, my oldest daughter responds to the performance side and acting and everything, too. And but my, my youngest just responds to music. Like, it just, it's inner. Like, I have, there's a bunch of people in my family that I'm musically inclined, and it's like, you just know that it's there. You have both. You have both.

So, and at what point do you decide, you know, it's time for me to incorporate both? because your performance in Step Up. Well, I didn't dance. I played the DJ, which is so funny because, yeah, I was like a dancer at the time. But I played the DJ. Did you get the role, though, because of your dance background or no? It was just because that's kind of what I was speaking. Yeah, they wanted to see people, yeah, that had a dance background,

but then ended up not dancing at all. Which is interesting for that particular film. But, I mean, I just want to know, like, at some point, though, when you're there as a dancer going, no, it's time that I'm going to really go after the action. acting side of it. I want to perform. And I also know that your parents are very supportive of it. That's a trick, though. That's the main trick. Because if it's not, it's another battle you have to deal with. If you don't have that, it's less baggage to worry about. 100% agree. I'm super grateful that I have these amazing, creative, expansive thinkers for parents

that were always super encouraging of my creativity and like whatever my intuition told me I needed to do. Like, that's been a huge gift in my life and has made everything. possible. And also just like exposure to art and film and things like that. Are you only child? Yeah, I have a half older brother, but yeah, pretty much. And so what is the relationship with the half older brother? So is he any arts as well too?

No, no. No, he isn't. I think he could have been if he wanted to. Yeah. What's his name? Because you have a cool ass name. Yeah. So it's like I was wondering.

What is his first? If you, if you, I don't know what you talking about it. Jonathan. Okay, Cleopatra. How did Cleopatra come about? Is it? My mother's name is Turquoise. Awesome.

So, yeah. I love your, I mean, I would say, I had a chance to meet your dad. And just the fact, that alone to me, like when I met you, to meet your dad, when it comes in, that says a lot. It says the relationship. It says it's still after everything you've already accomplished that he's right there by your side. And he wants to see it. I mean, how, so it seems like you're pretty close with your, with your pops and your family in general. Yeah. Well, it's funny you should say that because on the way over here, we were driving over here and my dad's visiting from Australia right now. And I was like, oh, this is like a flashback to my early auditions in Australia where dad and I would walk together. He would walk with me to all my auditions and wait in the waiting room and he would run lines with me. And yeah.

That's what I mean, though, because it's like I have had many interviews where it was the opposite. It was like, they wanted me to do this and they wanted to do that. And it's like, as I mentioned, you just get to that point. We're like, I have so much that I have to focus on here, knowing what I have inside of me and believing in myself is as much of a challenge as anything else. I need you to believe in me. So when they have that, that's just now you got to, were you, are you a person that always believed in yourself, had self-doubt? What was it like? I've always had, it's twofold.

I've always had a pretty strong idea about what I needed to do. Like, I don't know, I felt like I just had received a message of like, you do this, and then I would tell my parents, and they were like, okay, let's see how we can make that work. But also, like, growing up in Australia, in that industry, I didn't look like anyone. I was very unusual also in my approach to acting and just my performance. And that won me roles, but at the same time, you feel like such an outlier. And I think sometimes when you're a little different, you can often feel like you're not enough. Like it mimics the same feeling when people don't really know how to talk about you or approach you or even hire you.

They don't know where to put you. And so it ends up feeling like the same as if you didn't have any talent. Yeah, I can say it is again, I mean, that's, I come and I said, I did stand up comedy for a very long time. So it's like it's always you have a confidence in yourself and you have a thing inside of yourself. But it's always like, well, what if this? and you're looking at me that way, and you can't concentrate on the work as much until you do. And so the one that I have to talk to you about is a lot of nothing. So I watch the opening scene, and right away, because I've seen you do so much different stuff.

You've done comedies, you've done, I mean, this, and this is a, this is, this is, this is deep material. Like, when, I mean, the opening scene alone, you really get an idea who Vanessa is. I mean, you just, you just do. Tell me what it was like playing, playing this character. and how do you approach it? And first of all, the script, when you get the script going, oh, I want to do this or let me read it more, let me hear from the director first.

What's that whole entire process like? Well, when I read the script, I was like, okay, this is a character I've been waiting 20 years to play. It was so full of nuance and it was so symbolic and so complex. And she was just like volatile at times, vulnerable. at times someone that I was like, oh, let me just, I want to like get in her skin. And I fought for that role. Why is it a role that you were waiting for for 20 years?

Well, because I think she speaks to certain specific identity themes to do with being biracial, to do with being a woman, all of the socio-political aspects. It was like, it was the film itself, we always talked about macro and micro. Yeah. And these like massive, massive themes. but then zooming in on this one house and this particular couple that are like so fallible, so flawed, and then watching how it just all kind of like explodes as the film goes on and how each person in the film, like their personal issues, get roped up in this massive situation

and these massive themes. And, you know, it was just a role where, you know, because it's a satire, it had comedic timing elements that I, you know, was familiar with and also, you know, just love doing. And then these really dramatic elements and this really, really personal story that I just was like, I love this person. I want to represent her. Yeah. And I, and what I liked about is, I went to Florida State Theater School. So, like, there were times that I did, I felt like, and this is a big compliment where I felt like I was watching a really good scene on stage, you know, like.

And it was kind of, like, especially the opening with just two really great actors, just kind of filling each other out. It didn't feel like acting. It felt like this couple that had these issues and had to talk it out. But I just felt like I was watching a really good stage play at that particular scene. Yeah. Well, thank you. I mean, we worked really hard on that. It was a 17-minute one-take scene.

And it really did feel like theater. There were moments where, you know, out of the corner of my eye, I could see art department pulling tables out of the way and then hiding. It was like we scheduled one whole night to do that scene. We did it 11 times. And I think we ended up using the same. seventh take, some of the crew cried at the end because it just felt like such a, it was, I mean, it's always a team effort filmmaking, but it really like crystallized how much it's such

a team effort. And, you know, there were just so many things that needed to happen right at the right time. And it was really a special moment. And I think it strengthened. It sharpened my, my acting in a way that I've been able to take with me in another project. Well, it seems like you're doing that with every role that you're taking, right? Because, I mean, even when when you look at Last Man on Earth with his, I mean, Will Alone, right? With the comedy that's in that show and you bring it, like you said, this isn't a comedy per se, but you're still at satire. And did you feel that that tool from Last Man on Earth was, yeah.

Definitely, definitely. You know the thing I learned the most on Last Man on Earth other than, you know, the comedy, which is hard. Comedy's not easy. But I learned to let go because these are like it's SNL writers, right? So we're getting the script, like on a Monday, and we're doing a table read off of a script we haven't even glanced at. It's still warm from the printer.

And so very, and we did that for four years. So very, very quickly, I had to learn how to, like, throw away any, like, notions of control that I thought I had and just really, like, and it's pressuring because you have members of the crew and then you have executives in the front row. And if you don't land the joke, it might get cut. You know, there's an element to that as well. So, yeah, I just had to really just embrace it. And that's something I've taken with me as well. Yeah, it really is impressive.

Like when I was going through, I was looking at a lot of the stuff that you've done. And I've seen a lot of this stuff, but it's just the difference in material and the stuff. Because a lot of times you don't see, you see a lot of people like to play in one particular lane because it's comfortable to them. Yeah, and I felt even self-conscious about that at times in my career

where I'm like, do I need to pick a lane? And then I've learned to embrace the fact that that's what my, career is like. Probably get you a lot more jobs too. Yeah, it's great. I mean, it's like, I love tapas. I love to have a few different kinds of meals, you know, like a few different kinds of tastes and I don't want to do the same thing for too long.

And that variety is like, that's why we do it. And before I move on to other stuff that I want to talk about, you mentioned, I know you said you're a foodie, yeah? I love food. What's your food of choice? What if you got to go, like, netlets, I know that a lot of times that if you're working on set and it's like one of those things you just got to go and grab a fast thing sure but if you have an opportunity you take your meal what's your meal what's your place well oh like a restaurant yeah but just like

you know a particular was it Italian food is it a well again it's variety I'm like all over the place right like I love every different kind of food like yesterday I made you know some organic steak and I made like my favorite salad right now which is arugula with like this mustard vinegrette dressing and pomegranates and cheese and olives and onions. See? I mean, that's what I mean. But it's that stuff, though, too, right? That it's like the, is cooking something that you do?

Because a lot of people do cooking, relax. So like you're, whether it's after an intense job or whether it's not something just kind of, you know what, I'm going to take a week off, I'm just going to chill, I'm going to cook. A lot of people do that. Yeah, well, when I'm filming, it's like I forget to buy groceries and everything goes off and then I'm just ordering takeout or I'm just like crash. I'm just like going straight to sleep.

But when I'm not working, I really, I do. I love to cook and I love to put on a podcast or put on music and like cook. And there's a sort of like rhythm that you can get into. What's your podcast of choice? I like, um, big thing, right? Yeah. I don't know. Am I allowed to promote other podcasts?

Of course you can. Of course you can. Of course you can. Do you want that? I want to know more about you. I want to know more about whatever you listen to. I don't, you know, of course. I like smart lists.

Okay. I like smartless. And I like some of the NPR little news snippets and things like that if I want to stay up to date. Smart. I mean, I think that's, it's amazing. I do the same thing. I listen to my friend of mine is Josh Harwitz. I listen to his show when I'm doing a, I have a long drive that I do in Tuesdays.

And I listen to his show and interviews and stuff that he does. So absolutely. And speaking and staying in the same thing, what are some of the shows that you're watching? What are some of the movies that you kind of do to wind down, watch in general? What are you really, like, locked into? I'm one of those people that I watch the same thing. over and over again. Like what? Red Dwarf, which is a British

sci-fi comedy from England that I grew up watching. I just really loved it because it's like it's about like the distant future and like these people of like they were on a mining ship in space and they lost track of the ship and the only human left is this like

biracial guy from Manchester with dreadlocks and he's like wearing a punk jacket. It's like so cool. It's from the 80s and actually they're still making it. And I always loved Dave Lister. He's one of my favorite characters of all time. And so you go back and revisit and watch it all I watch it all the time. Is this stuff you watch with your dad when you were younger too? With my dad and then now like all the time, the Mighty Boosh, just weird stuff like that. Amen. But I did, I loved White Lotus. Okay. I love, uh, I think that's a movie that I really, really loved recently. Oh, I like revisited this

movie Morven Caller with Samantha Morton. It's her first one. Oh, okay. Another weird one. It's weird stuff. I like that. I like weird stuff. But that's also one of the things I like to do in the show. I like to tell people kind of open their up to new stuff that they wouldn't have heard of before. Maybe people do know what it is too.

So that's amazing. For me, I'm obsessed with the last of us like everybody else right now. Yeah, I need to get into that. It's great. It's really good. But let's talk about,

you're talking about science fiction and you're talking about, you know, just, and we're talking about how so you do a lot of intense stuff too. Infinity Pool. That checks off all the boxes for that one. Science fiction. I'm not going to spoil stuff for people who haven't seen the movie. too, but I wanted to talk about working with Alexander Scars Guard. He's one of my favorites

man, like Northman was on my list last year. It was really great. And I always feel like after watch it was it was a pretty little liars as I was the Big little lies. I always get the I always get the, I knew, I knew, that's why I asked, that's why I asked because I knew I got it wrong, but I know, but I'm in the

right show. Nah, he's in, you're, you hit it, you hit it right. It's definitely that one. But I know the show well, I know that he was married Nicole Kidman in it. That's right. Right. See, so I know magic. They did, but that's why I got nervous when you were his wife. I always nervous for anybody who plays his wife now.

Yeah. I thought it was an honor. I was like, cool. Yeah, because he's always, he's always, there's always something with a kind of, it's not to that level of intensity, obviously, but it's still like a, what, what, he seems like a pretty intense dude. And it's, did you know him beforehand? No.

So how, what's that process like meeting him going, this guy's got to play my husband? I'm always fascinated by that, like how people, you know, who's supposed to be married and do this kind of relationship. How does, what's that process like with it? Well, we were all in Hungary, um,

getting ready to shoot and we all just went out for a drink. He's very chill. Yeah. He's actually not intense at all. Okay. He does it well. Yeah. He's a good actor.

He's a very, very chill person. I love that. So you guys in, and so you do that and what, what was it about, I mean, obviously you're working with Crumber,

but what, what, what is it about that particular, um, scripts and the movie that you go, oh yeah, I, this I need to do like immediately.

It was such an original piece of like sci-fi horror. And I was already a fan of Brandon Cronenberg. Yeah, I watched antiviral. I watched Possessor. As soon as it hit my email, I was like already probably going to say yes. He just has this, he's such a visionary. It's fun, but it's like saying something, but it's like allowing you to decide really what it's saying as well. and, you know, it's intense stuff.

It is. It really, really goes there, but in a stylistic way. And I think that's always something that I aim for. And I don't know. I was just a fan. Yeah. Well, what's your preference, though, because you've done, as we just mentioned, with comedies and horror, thrillers, dramas.

I guess it's kind of a cliche answer. I'm answering myself as saying that, I guess it just matters on the script itself. But do you have a preference? on what you like to do the most? No. No, I think my career kind of says that where it's just kind of all different stuff. I mean, for me, the characters are all talking to each other in a way,

but that's more just for me. I don't know if that comes across in any way. But, you know, I do, like lately I've been playing more intense, like M Foster in Infinity Pool, she's very buttoned up. And that was a certain kind of energy. And like to be of service to that script, Like that was my position. And then it's been really satisfying since then

to explore these really intense kind of volatile characters. And one of them is Vanessa and a lot of nothing. And then I have another one coming out, which is a mini-series for effects called Sterling. Clippers, Clippers. Sorry, the whole drama that went down with the Clippers. And then that was going to definitely ask you about that as well too. Because I remember when all that went down.

How much of that can you actually talk about it? I'm not sure. Okay. Let's talk about whatever, as far as that, because like you said, that's another intense character here now, too. And I remember when all that went down and being in L.A. And yeah, so what is, what's, did you, were you familiar with everything that obviously went down with him and? I was, I was, I think it was about 10 years ago when I first moved to L.A. So I do remember it happening, but I didn't really understand the details of it. I, we all saw the Barbara Walters interview.

Yes. and, you know, I think we all judged her a certain way, and there might be reasons for that, but through the process of making the show, I really understand her a lot more deeply, I think, and I have a lot more empathy for her. Interesting. That's what, how do you shake these characters?

Like you said, you do so much with them, and you have to, like, really prep with it. How do you shake it? I think that a lot of people who aren't actors don't understand that a piece of deal, these people live with you. Especially in intense roles like this. I'm always so fascinated and in awe of what you guys can do when you really go down

that route. How do you shake some of these characters and do you want to sometimes? Well, first of all, I think it's important, like if you're able to, you know, if you get to a lucky position where you're able to pick and choose, like you don't want to go there for no reason. Yeah. You want to go there for something that you really believe in. It's tough.

It's like 2 a.m. and you're going there. Like, that's a lot of mental acrobatics and physical. So you have to always be able to come back to that initial reason as to why you're there, why the cameras are there, why are we doing this? And that's why it's really important to pick stuff that you really believe in. Otherwise, you're phoning it in at 2 a.m. Yeah, yeah. It's just, it always, I watch some of these roles and I'm just like, man, you've got to get to such a place. And as you said, when you're working, the crew is crying and, and all.

all that and it's a big investment. It's emotionally, yeah. Well, for me, it's lemonade. You know, like we all have our experiences in life and I am grateful that I have an outlet. I'm so happy that I'm an artist. I think, you know, to be able to, like all of the experiences we have, some negative, some positive, some in between, I'm able to mine from those experiences and make use of them and throw them away and like give them to a project and, and it's so cathartic. It's self-reflective and it's cathartic and I think quite healing as well. Because you want to do, I mean, because you're producing and you're doing, are there, so directing? Is that?

That's possibly next to something that I'm exploring. Yeah? Yeah. Anything in particular that you can tease us that you really want to look into? Well, there is a film that I've been working on for some time that's kind of music based in the punk genre. It's another like really kind of volatile, interesting, complicated character that you sort of are infuriated with, but you root for. I love that you go after those types of characters.

I really do. That's really my wheelhouse now. That's really what interests me, at least now, at least for now. So let's talk about what you can't talk about, but we'll do it in a way that you, I'm going to do a little trickier. I'll just blink and. 100%. I don't, you can't, you can't, you know you can't talk about it.

But let's talk about Zach Snyder in general as far as his, style of film and things that you've seen in the past. And what do you think makes him such like this kind of, he's such a visionary filmmaker the way he sets things up and not in a particular thing that you were working on, but things in the past? What do you think it is about Zach that, you know,

just that people, because he's obviously, he's got legions of fans. Like, what is, why do people respond to him the way that he? I mean, I can only really speak from my personal experience and that's,

that he's really enthusiastic. Yeah. He's really into it. Like he lives and brings him. reads it. And that comes across. He's very imaginative. I guess his inner child is alive and well. I don't know. You'd have to ask him. Fair enough. Yeah, Rebel Moon is something like a lot of people. Obviously, he's coming out in December. People are very excited about it. And science fiction and all that where they were talking about with, you know, at one point he was rumored for Star Wars.

And then this came about, let's talk about Star Wars. There's nothing to do with this. So in Star Wars, you're tricking me. I am not tricking. I would not do that. Star Wars in general, because I know from, that's also one of the reasons I asked about the other things that you watched when you were a kid and other things. Were you into any of the big kind of, you know, blockbuster things, whether it was a Star Wars or even throwing towards like a Jurassic Park or Indiana Jones, that kind of stuff. I loved, I loved Star Wars. I mean, there was nothing like going and renting a video from the video store kids. I don't know if you know about that, but something we used to do. Yeah, my dad would take me on like a Sunday and I'd.

get to rent something for a week. Sometimes I would just rent the little mermaid over and over again. That's awesome. Just renew it. But yeah, no, I loved, like, The Terminator, and I loved. Jurassic Park scared the Jesus after it. Yeah, I remember I had to sleep in my parents' bed, and every shadow I thought was a T-Rex. I remember that very specifically.

That's amazing. Well, I mean, because the reason I asked whether this movie comes out in December and it's this big science fiction thing, and as you said, you've opened the door doing a whole bunch a different characters and genres and things. Is something like DC movies and Marvel movies and Star Wars movies, is that something you'd want to open yourself up to? Or do you prefer to play, like, you know, you did this big thing in December,

and then you go back to doing this other type of stuff that you really like the kind of character-driven stuff that you've been doing recently? Well, I think why not both? You know, I think there's a world in which you can do both. I would definitely be open to that. realm. It just depends on the character. It would need to be, yeah, a specific kind of character that spoke to me, I think. All right. Well, look, I'm so excited that you had a chance to come in here today,

and I was, when Perry, my good friend Perry, Numerov, told me that we had a chance to speak to, I said, please. And I'm so excited to see what happens in December. And I hope that I can talk to you about it when you can talk about it. I hope so too. Thank you so much for joining me. Ladies and gentlemen, please, please, please, check out all of the, I mean, You just heard of all the work that Cleopatra Coleman has done. Please go and check it out. Thank you once again for joining me. Thank you so much.

Back to me, me. See, I told you. How cool is she? She's awesome. She came in here with her dad. Dad was awesome too. Australian did just chill and, I mean,

you got to be pretty chill and awesome to name your daughter, Cleopatra. It's great. Really great. And she owns it, man. She owns it. I can't wait to see Rebel Moon. And check it all.

And even the shoot. man, the Clipper story. She got great stuff going on. So once again, let me hear your comments in there. What did you think about Cleopatra? Did you like the interview? Did you dig it? Do you want to see more interviews?

Because I want to do more. So let me know. All right, let's move on. We'll probably call it the end of the day with this story. Shazam, right? Shazam right now is not tracking well from what they say. Or light, I should say. Not necessarily not well, but tracking light.

And it doesn't surprise me. I think I mentioned this to someone yesterday when I was talking about this movie. It's so up in the year right now with the DCU in general, and it doesn't have Michael Keaton as Batman returning. So just to make this clear, if the Flash doesn't have Michael Keaton in it, I don't care how good the movie is, it's not getting this kind of hype from the audience.

Because of not necessarily with all the stuff that Ezra Miller has done, which is certainly a big portion of it, but because there isn't a lot of hype behind the movies that are not connected to this new thing. So people don't really don't know what it is. And it's just kind of like standalone things and not really connected to anything necessarily. So here's the story from Dark Horizons regarding Shazam. It's the article legit says, Shazam sequel, tracking for us. a soft start. DC's Shazam Fury of the Guards sequel has early tracking projections and those

early numbers suggest that the film could fall a little short of its predecessor. According to the box office pro, forecasted projections for the film see it currently tracking to earn between 43 and 52 million for its opening three-day weekend. To put that in perspective, the original did 53.5 in 2019, which at the time was the DCEU's lowest opening. The pandemic, subsequent, changed all of that with Wonder Woman in late 2020 and the Suicide Squad in 2021, fearing much worse. But that doesn't really count. Thanks to good reviews and word of mouth, though, Shazam ended up earning a solid

$363 million worldwide, which led to a sequel being Greenland. The film faces the difficulty of being rendered immaterial by the recently announced plans for the new DCU. Excuse me, new DCU. In addition, it doesn't have the drawing power of either the Flash or the Aquaman sequel, which are both expected to have major openings. These are early projections, though, and will likely get closer to release. Press and the short-term push for the film are about to begin. So, yeah, this doesn't surprise me.

Plus, the fact, the other thing that should be mentioned is that even the Flash, and someone asked me, if Flash was going to make a billion, I said, I don't know. Only because of where it is, it lands in June, and a week later, it's got one week off, and then a week. A week later, it's got Indiana Jones. And then a week after that, it's got, or it's like insidious and then followed by insidious is, is a mission impossible. So it's got a hard journey in the summer to try to overcome to get to a billion, but it very well might, depending how good it is.

Shazam is also in a very tough spot for everything that they mentioned there with the, you know, it's not this type of sequel that. And Zach Levi is, he's talented, but he's not like a major star. I mean, he's not, not that, not that Ezra Miller is. But again, Michael Keaton, the flash carries more weight to me, as they said, than Shazam does also. And the other big issue is that it is coupled in a march that is full of bangers. I mean, you look at Creed and all over the different, a different map with genres, too. Creed 3 Scream 6

Dungeons and Dragons and there's like one other one that I'm missing right something else that's coming out in March and it's like it's just stacked there's that new Adam Driver movie also and it's like it's just stacked

and I would say that the ones that are going to do the best in that and John Wick did I say John Wick? I think I said John Wick I think I said John Wick but John Wick Creed 3 Dungeons and and Dragons, Scream Six, all of those movies, Shazams come in and last out of all of those. I mean, Scream Six is going to have a major, a major opening, I think.

I think that that one's going to have a major, especially now with how big Jenna Ortega is. Dungeons and Dragons is the only one that it could potentially beat. And I was talking to someone about this yesterday. I can't remember who was. And they said, I think, I think that movie's going to bomb. I said, I don't know. I don't know if it's going to bomb. Dungeons and Dragons, that is.

Because it offers a counterbalance to a lot of different things. It also allows, I mean, also don't discount how big the Dungeons and Dragons fan base is. And I know that there's a controversy with Dungeons and Dragons, with whatever the game. I don't think it's going to carry over that big. It also has a very different kind of knight's tail feel to it. And it also will play to the younger, generation as well. My 11-year-old sees the poster and goes,

oh my God, I can't wait to see that. It's just kind of geeking out over it. So I do think that between that, I'd love to see what that's tracking out. But this is my guess from March. As far as the overall box office goes, I think it's going to be, John Wick is the winner out of all of them,

then scream, then Creed, then Dungeons and Dragons, and then Shazam out of those big releases. That's what I think. I'm very curious to hear what you guys think. If you think that's going to, is that close? Curious.

But I do have another, I guess I do have another story that we can talk about here. There's, well, there's two. Venom and Shung Chi apparently going to start shooting soon. Venom 3 and Shung Chi 2. I guess that's what they say. So, well, this filming talk. And here it is. Actor Tom Harnie has confirmed that pre-production is underway on the 3-production.

third Venom movie and the actor took to Instagram to confirm the news, along with showing off a deleted scene from the first movie. That scene shows Eddie Brock arguing with Venom to try and enter a hospital leading to Hardy arguing and physically fighting with himself on a sidewalk as perplexed pedestrian scurry past. Venom 3 is going to be directed by Kelly Marcel, who's also writing the film with Hardy, returning to the role and filming to run from June to September this year in the UK that would suggest a late 2024 release for the film. in less concrete scheduling news,

a new report from insider Casey Walsh via the direct indicates that Shung Chi and the Eternal sequels have been added to the Marvel Studios production calendar with development officially underway and plans for the filming. Interesting, because Eternal's they hadn't really

talked much about. The big question, of course, is when? Reports back in 2021 suggested the film was aiming to begin production this year of head of 2025. That became questionable following phase 5 and 6th slate, revealing, indicating the first film's director Destin,

Dendell Critton was attached to direct the Avengers Kang Dynasty along with the undated Shung Chi follow-up. Kang is currently slated for 2025 release and Marvel has three unannounced film slots set for July 2025, November 2025, and February, 26. I think those will probably come at Comic-Con also, right? I don't think they're doing D-23 this year, and if last year was any indication, they care way more about Comic-Con than they care about their own convention, which I think is crazy.

Everybody thought D23 was going to be the big announcement thing from everybody, but they really, Marvel came out to shine at D23, excuse me, at Comic-Con, and Star Wars, the majority of their stuff came out at celebration, which was probably more accurate for them to do, but there was not really a lot of big news that came out at D-23. So I don't think D-23 is even happening this year. So I would say that that slate is probably announced

at Comic-Con, and you probably, from these reports, you're probably getting an announcement of both the release date for Shung-Chi-2 and Eternals, too. I'm very curious. That's the one thing I would like to be in that hall when they announce it to see what kind of reaction. Shang-Chi-2 will get a big reaction when they announce it, but I wonder what kind of reaction internals will get.

I happen to really like the Eternals. I think I'm one of the few people that do. But I'm curious of what that would get. What kind of reaction? And this is the very last story. story. Here's the very last story. This is something a little bit more TV related. I'm Roxy here today, but we can talk about the news.

And that is that there is, you know, just what we just watched, what the hell was it? The Last of Us. And inside of it, I don't know if you guys watched True Blood, but the character of Tara

was in, was in the character Maria in the Last of Us. And she's great in both shows. But they told, talked about potentially that True Blood was going to have a spinoff and that maybe Succession was going to have a spinoff series. And you look at what the popularity of what House of the Dragon did that they thought

maybe they were going to do that. So HBO and HBO Max Content CEO Casey Blois has offered an update on multiple spin-off and reboot projects in the works at the premium cable. And it looks like the cost cutting at Warner Brothers Discovery is now taking its toll. First up, he confirms a variety that the rumored six feet under. True Blood Revivals are both dead. Boyce said Under was never really in the works, which suggests it was mostly just speculating.

He adds that a true blood reboot or revival was considered with HBO developing a few scripts. However, nothing felt like it got there and the plans have now been abandoned. There are also no plans for a Mayor of East Town sequel. That stinks. As creator Brad Inselby, who has an exclusive overall deal,

the network is now doing a crime-centric soap for HBO. Whilst the network did proceed with a game of Thurne, spin-off don't expect succession to do the same. The show's upcoming fourth season could be its last, although not confirmed, and whether or not it is, Boyce is not entertaining any spinoff ideas. I don't think so. I always say never say never. When we started talking about doing a Thrones prequel, that was something that HBO had

historically never done. I had some people internally saying, this is crazy, what are you doing? That said, I think that there's something about the universe that George created that lent itself to spin-offs. There's a huge history, a lot of different families, a lot of different wars and battles. It doesn't seem to me that there's something in succession where you would go, let's just follow this kid or whatever. It doesn't seem like a natural thing to me.

But if Jesse Armstrong said, I want to do this, then I would follow his lead. Boyce had a similar sentiment towards Watchman, saying he has no interest in bringing it back and anyone other than executive producer, Damon Lindeloff. Watchman was his creation. If he doesn't think there's a story that he wants to put his heart and soul into, it's hard for me to think that it would be worth doing. It was a very special limited series for us.

I would put it in the pantheon of HBO Greats. if Damon ever wanted to revisit, he knows that it's an open door, but it's hard for me to imagine doing one without him. I respect those answers. I respect those answers. It's like, you know, there are a lot of people, and I think it's what makes HBO special, right? And a lot of people that would just like, hey, we need something.

We got to take, oh, that was popular, I don't care what it is, put it into production. You don't want to taint what came before. And so I respect it. And True Blood, I had mentioned when I was, reviewing The Last of Us. I watched True Blood for the first, I think, like two or three seasons, and I liked it. It just got really ridiculous after this third season, in my opinion. I just, I couldn't even tell you anything about it, but it got, it was like a soap opera

after a while, but it started off really, really good and kind of interesting. But that's one that you could, I mean, you could spin that off, maybe, but I guess they're not going to do it. Succession, hard for me to speak on. That's one of the shows that I have to go back and watch because I watched like the first three or four episodes, loved them, just never got back into watching it. So I have to go back and watch that. And I would.

I don't know if it's, if, maybe he's 100% right of like, how do you want to spin off just one particular character? I mean, who would get it? But I mean, look, they did the same thing with House of the Dragon. I think the House of the Dragon, they benefit from just focusing on one, on one family as opposed to so many different. I think that that was one of the things about the, one of the criticisms of Game of Thrones is Sometimes you're just jumping from character to character to character that you're like, whoa, this is a lot where this is one family you're focused on.

House of the Dragon was one of my favorite. It was my favorite show last year, hands down. I mean, I loved that show. Love that show. One of the best seasons of television that I've seen in a long time. There's a lot of great television last year. Between that, the Bear, Severance, and Or. There's some great stuff last year.

Great stuff. So I'm excited to hit more of it. And then I guess does 1883 count as last year? Was it the year before? I don't know, but I just watched 1883 this the other day. And I'm obsessed with that show. I love to that show. So I'm at the finish from 1923.

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