The Kristian Harloff Show - How big of a role will Anakin Skywalker have in the Ahsoka series?

Episode Date: August 16, 2023

Join the website here! http://www.thekristianharloff.com The latest trailer for Ahsoka has been released and in it, Hayden Christensen returns as Anakin Skywalker. Although we can only hear his voice in the trailer, what will his overall role be? Will it be a flashback? Will it be a force ghost? Speaking of the new Star Wars series, the directors of the series have been revealed for each episode. Skeleton Crew will most likely be pushed back to 2024. In other news outside Star Wars, Blue Beetle is right around the corner, reviews are good, how will it do at the box office? Gal Gadot might have been just wishful thinking about Wonder Woman 3. This and more on this episode of The Big Thing with Kristian HArloff and Mike Kalinowski. #starwars #ahsoka #anakin #bluebeetle #DC 

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So we'll go over that and just give our overall thought to what we expect to see. Myself and Mike Callan Aski, go in to see episodes one and two tomorrow. So we'll have an out of the theater for that as soon as we see it. Outside of the Star Wars realm, we got Blue Beetle coming up right on the corner. I saw the film,

and I want to get Mike's opinion on what he's expecting, what he thinks, what he started the trailers, all that and more on the episode of The Big Thing. So if you're brand new to the channel, you've never been here before, show a little. Will you just hit that button? We're almost at 90,000. We can get to 100, but we need you guys to help us out. So hit that button.

All right, it's myself, Mike Kalinowski. It's the big thing. Let's do it. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. It is the big thing. It is Wednesday. Thank you, everybody who's joining us so far this week. Kalinowski.

What's up? He's back. We're missing Steph again. Again. I think I would text and ask here, what's up, but she doesn't respond to my text. So yeah, that's life. Well, that's a, that's a, I don't like that angle. How about that? Here we go. Better. Yeah, I got the deep be going on on the sweatshirt today. Yeah, what do you, he's got you day off. You can tell you having a good time

with yourself. Yeah, they'd have to come my hair, nothing. Nothing. Um, roll that up how's everything going? You're doing good? Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, oh-oh. What? I don't know, man, you know, theme parks are busy with work. Oh, yeah. Because of the school, I thought they were back in school and we're still busy, but on the other hand, uh, it's It's crazy still. Yeah, I got it. Well, it's good to have you back. We got some, you and I are going to see Asoka.

Yeah, we are. So how are you feeling about that? I mean, because I know that you are just the confusion, but it's still pretty exciting we get to see another Star Wars. I'm excited to see, it seems like everyone, the fans are really excited for this show. So that's fun. Like online and seeing all the people that are in our circles that are big Star Wars, huge.

Like their worlds are Star Wars. They're going nuts for this. So that excitement is kind of palpable. It is. I'm excited to see it because they have. have the, it is, regardless of what they say, it is a continuation of rebels for sure. Yeah. The biggest question is, is it going to be confusing?

That's why I'm so glad that you're going. That's where I'm going. I'm so glad that you're going because I'm going to be able to pick up on things and I'll be obviously not confused. But I also want to see if at the end of it, I say to you, were you confused that? And you're like, no, not at all. I followed it. Can I swear right now for a second?

No, why? Just use an alternative. Well, I was going to do, like, I'm going to do that. Joe Pesci thing that's out right now. What the f is this? Yeah. It's come out of it. No. Or maybe I'll be like, that's awesome. Yeah. Who knows? That's what's going to be awesome.

It's going to be the major trick of what they got to try to pull off. That's a big one. It is. It is. It is. But on the other hand, I'm kind of like, I'm of, I'm of the mind. So what if it's just made for the fans? You mean, there's the rebels fans? Yeah. Well, because I think they do need a hit. I mean, I know they need a hit, but I'm just like, in my head, because I'm kind of like sometimes with, like, DC or Marvel, like, give us a deep cut.

Who gives a crap if everyone gets it? Let's do this for the fan. True. But I get... I think they're trying to kind of... You've got to get the numbers. Yeah, the success of what like Mandalorian's season one and two did. I think they're hoping to get that and they're hoping to bring in new fans because I think

it is tailor-made for the Star Wars fanatic and the Rebels fan. And it seems... I mean, this is the guy who created the whole thing. I was just going to say that if this was anyone else doing this, I'd be like, I don't know. but it's the guy that created it. He created this. This really is just another season of Rebels, which is a great show.

I love that show. And so I'm on board, and people who like the show are on board. That's why, like I said, I'm just so glad you're going because my first question to you on, I already know it on camera, is like, tell us what you thought about it,

were you lost? And it's either going to be, if you know Mike well enough, it's going to be like, I don't know what's going on. Or it was going to be like, look, guys, I was wrong. This was one of the time.

I don't know what that was going on. I don't know what that was going on. But so this, and there is the excitement to it. That's what I like. There's excitement to it. And there's a lot of reason why. Do you see that new trailer? I didn't.

All right. I'm not watching any of this stuff yet. I like to go in blind now. That's fair. But the trailer itself, there was rumors. I know Anakin's talking. But there was rumors that Hayden Christensen was supposed to be in this thing because Rosario Dawson is not the best that keep in secrets, right?

She's revealed that she poker face? She revealed that, that, what's his face? John Bernthal was coming back as a punisher months ago. She did. that Hayden, Christensen was coming back. And so people kind of knew that he was coming back. And then they were like, oh, it's not really official. But they didn't know, like, in what capacity he would be coming back.

So this new trailer has him talking. And it's like, well, at first you're like, well, this, for a split second, I was like, oh, could they be pulling this audio from rebels? I'm like, or not rebels, Clone Wars, rather. I was like, oh, he didn't, but he didn't voice. That's my latter. And when is the time period on this show again? This is after Return of the Jedi.

So right around the same time of like Mandalorian, season one, I think, season two. Is there any way then that this is like Force Ghost Talk? Not this particular trailer. Not saying this one. I'm just saying like, could he show? So you're thinking Hayden's going in because flashbacks? I think it's flashbacks for sure. Now, but the question is, is it flashbacks plus Force Ghosts?

Yeah. I think it's going to be a majority of, there's a, a lot of, like, if you saw rebels, which you didn't, there's a thing, the world between worlds that I think they're going to explore inside of this series that you might see, like, other versions of what could have happened with... I'll tell you this much. If they do something like that, then I'm really going to be lost. It depends. Again, it depends on how it's executed. It depends on how it's executed. But once again, Anakin is kind of giving her advice as this Padawan, and there's, I feel,

like they're going to do similar what they did in Obi-Wan, where you're going to see him. Yeah. I just hope this time they de-age him a little bit, just a little bit. Yeah. He just, it was a little jarring that 42-year-old Hayden Christensen was trying to be. I thought that was seen was wasted. It was wasted. It was a wasted moment.

They could have done, I was hoping for, I'm hoping that what we expected in, but what we thought was going to happen in Obi-Wan with those kind of flashbacks through the Clone Wars period. Right, right, right. I hope that happens here. Okay. And if that does happen here, and they deage them just a little bit, and they deage her just a little bit.

Not enough to where it's so jarring. I just watched, did you watch Stranger? You don't watch Stranger Thing. I don't, no. So, crazy, you don't watch that show. Why? It's a really good show, dude. It's really, Stranger's doing seasons four

is one of the best seasons of television. It's like horror stuff, right? Not just. Okay. It's not just. I'm not a big horror guy. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, so that's, it's got...

There's too much. There's too much stuff out there. There's a lot of stuff, but I'm telling you, I actually think that you would like, because it's got a lot of that 80s kind of stuff that we grew up with his kids. The first one has like a Goonies meet Stand by Me and the dynamic. But anyway, the point is they do a de-aging of one of the characters in season four. And I thought it's one of the better ones that they've done.

There's a couple times it's noticeable, but you wouldn't have to do too much with it. So I hope they do that with him because it seems like in this trailer he's giving her advice. What they're going to do well, I think, for someone like you, is that you how much besides just knowing from hanging out with people like us

that Anakin was her her yeah of course I knew that right but you haven't seen a lot of the dynamic between the two of them I saw clone wars

the movie you saw the movie right so that was how he snips and sky guy how he initially found her but like how they built this

full on relationship and it allows I think it's a smart idea that essentially what it does is then says okay so and so who's never watched a single frame

of any animated stuff. Anakin Skywalker and Asoka, that was his, uh, a Padawan and they really had a strong bond and they helped form that in live action. I think it's a smart way to bring someone like yourself in and go, oh, okay, I see how, how close these two were. I'm going to ask you something here.

Go ahead. This is going to put you on the spot. Yeah. So I remember when Assoca was introduced, she was reviled. They hated her. The fans. In the first, in the first movie, yeah.

So it's just the first movie? Just the first movie. Okay. Because I was like, I'm just curious. We introduced a strong female character. And like we have many nowadays, anytime they pop up and they get destroyed. What was it about her that made people and that... Lose it?

But no, fall in love with her. That they're not falling in love with like a ray or... She had more time to blossom. She had more time to marinate because the initial character and she's just kind of a kid, she's kind of like an annoying kid in the person. See, I had no problem with her in Clomwell. Wars. When I saw the movie the first time, I didn't love her, but then as I went back and revisited it, I definitely liked that movie better. But yeah, she just does a lot more and you

learn more about her and who she is, her heart, like, just the things that she's done, and she just goes on, you just go on so many different adventures where they're over the course of how six or seven seasons in Clone Wars, and then she comes back and like, I think it's the end, I think it's season two of rebels or the end of season one, I can't remember. but either way she's got a pretty strong present in both of those shows and it's also because of the work that Ashley Exstein did so well with her because I had a chance to interview actually a handful of times and we talked about just that and she was just like yeah it was tough

because when we first introduced they hated her and then they had to and Dave was kind of oh man they had and they really gave her the stuff that people fell in love with her people love that character now so many people did a 180 on her Yeah, it's interesting how a lot of others. Or I'm like, if she was introduced today, would they just tear her apart? No. Is the Internet changed?

No, because I don't think so. Because look at... They love her. Everyone. Look at Bocatan, right? Yeah, they love her too. And most people will say that even if you're not a fan of season three of the Mandalorian, most people will say that what Katie did in that role and the character of Bocatan, people loved, right?

I think if you called it season three Mando and Bocatan or Bocatan, the Bocatan Chronicles or something, you would have a different opinion about that season. They should have given her a spinoff series. It should have been her season. They should have just done something else too. Boca Tana is a whole.

Night Owls. That's a whole other conversation. But the fact, do you like that they're bringing Anakin into this? Do you think it makes sense? I think it's a, okay, just going off of what I don't know, I think it's fans. You're rewarding.

the fans for being along on the journey. Like the two of them together, I don't know the dynamic of them, but I know enough from people that love it that that's a beloved But don't do you think that's the reason? Don't you think that's the main reason to do because you don't know the relationship to be able to give it to people like yourself to say. Sure.

In a new light. Like, you, okay, you don't have to watch all those. You're going to, we're going to give you that. And now, and if you want, go, and if you're inclined, go back and enjoy these afterwards. Yeah. And Hayden Christensen and Rosario Dawson are like really good friends in real life. So that, I'm very curious to see how that's going to play. And I want to

see, this will be really the first time that we get to see Hayden is Anakin, if it's a, if it's, minus the mask and stuff, right? Yeah, I mean, we, we saw him in, I was going to say outside of the George Lucas directed stuff. We saw him in that one scene in Obi-Wan, obviously, but like you said, I, I think it was, it was kind of underused. And he, it was so, it was so, it was so, it was so, so quick. I'd like to see them do a few Clone Wars scenes with the two of them. I think that would be really interesting.

Yeah, I think so too. And speaking to which, we can get to the story that is speaking of Asoka, the directors, did you? I did see this. Did you see this? Because Pete Ramsey, from Spider-Varses doing one, but the two, if you pull up the list, the two that got me, it was the female director

she's doing two and three, I think, episode two and three, or maybe it's three and four. Steph Green? Yes. She directed my favorite episode of Mando 3. I think she directed the second episode. Did she? I think so. Knowing that she's doing two, I'm like, yep, I'm on board with her.

Dark Horizons, a week ahead of its debut in the Disney Plus Service, Asoka, has announced the lineup of which directors handled which episodes in its eight episode series and potential first season. Dave Filoni will take on the helm of the first and the fifth episode, while the Mandalorian alum Rick Pamawea will direct the finale. Steph Green, who did Watchmen, joins for the second and third episode. Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse co-director Peter Ramsey tackles the fourth, Madman alum Jennifer Getsinger, helms the sixth, and House of the Dragon director Gita Vazent Patel

directs the seventh. Set after her appearance in the Mandalorian and the book of Boba-Fet, the series follows As Sokatano as she investigates an emerging threat to the galaxy following the fall of the empire. The show serves as a live-action continuation. of Star Wars Rebels, though they say series is not required viewing to watching. The new series was developed by Favreau and Faloni for Disney. So this is a stellar, stellar lineup of directors. Because House of the Dragons is another show you don't watch, right?

I don't, nope. I thought that show was just directed beautifully. Madman was another great show. They're pulling, they're really pulling the big guns. The Madman, that's an interesting one. That's what they directed. But hey, it's a great character drama, so maybe that'll be a character, a less action-focused episode. But then, who knows?

Like, when I saw Debra Chai directing in the early Mando with action and Bryce Dallas Howard, I'm like, well. What do you think we're going to get with this series? And I don't mean... What? I don't mean... Isn't this a whole thing? I have no clue. I don't mean the continuation of the series and the story itself.

I mean more so with, like, tone, right? Like if you look at what we've got with Mandalorian season one and two, significantly different in my opinion than the tone and pacing of season three, right? And then you got Andor, which the pacing completely different. Obi-Wan wasn't what we were hoping as far as the writing goes. Boba Fett, what kind of writing are we going to get for this one? Is it going to be? Because you just said something when it comes to the character. Are we going to really build up the character?

Are we going to get more action? Are we going to do the George Lucas, faster, stronger, more intense, whatever this? What do you think we're going to get here? I feel this is much, very much. Okay, so, yeah, I'm looking at all the shows. I'm picturing the tones and the styles. I think this is going to fall in with Obi-One. Okay.

Yeah. It's not going to be the fun, cliff hangary action of the week, Mando. it's not going to be the deep drama of Andor. I think it's going to be the Obi-1, the legacy stuff. And for some reason, it just looks like it was shot like Obi-Wan. It feels very volume-heavy. Because we know they shot in down here in Manhattan's dude, Manhattan Beach. And that's where all the volume and everything is.

So it doesn't feel like Andor to me. It doesn't feel... Right. On location. On location lived in. It feels. very volumey. The color is very muted on it

like Obi-1 was very muted. I think when it comes to that, I can see where you're going with that because that's what they've done, but I think, season one, season two, or Mandalorian, we're the same. I know. I think that we're going to get something more

along the lines of season two of Mandalorian. You do? I do. I think they were going to get... Okay. Betts are on the table here, sir. This is all the chips in for Dave Filoni. This is all the chips in for Dave Flonie. I vote that what's his movie?

That's not going to be able to chip. In the house in? Of course it is. But if you have a... But if you lose big on your first all chips in... Right. That's what I'm saying, though. You've got to take your cards and get out of there. You're done. Well, the house could pull it. The house wins. The house could win if they want to. If people are like, this is terrible. Oh, my God. One of the worst shows of all time.

And then Luke's filmed... Kathleen Kennedy comes out of the pit boss's office and she's like, oh, now we're... You're closing on this table. Get rid of them. Get rid of them. But I don't think that's happening. No, me either. But the reason I say is all chips on the table is because this is the first. He's not, yes, Favro is producing it with him, but this is all him. He wrote all the episodes. He's directing two of them. He's setting the tone of it.

He was really hands-on for all of it. This is his baby. And you better bet your ass that he is for him with Asoka. It's his character. And I remember asking him. And I said, they have to get permission in order to, like, like to even use her or anything because it's his character. He's the one that came up with it.

He's going to protect this character and he wants to make sure that this is, that you're talking about this thing as one of the best Star Wars things ever. I know it. I know it. And going in with that kind of mentality. Star Wars could use a good hit like that. That's what I mean.

And I think it needs that kind of feel. And I think I don't know if they said, I can't remember. Is Kevin Kiner doing the music for this? Do you remember? I'll look it up right now. I'm talking. Just do it here.

Then beat me to it. who is doing the music, who is doing the music for Asoka series? Kevin Kiner, good. Kevin Kiner's doing the music. Yeah, he's Mr. Star Wars. He should be doing the Star Wars scores for every... Not Lucas, Williams is done, he should... Everything.

He should be doing it for everything. Because the reason why he is so good, that I... This cockamamie notion of that you shouldn't do, that you shouldn't have the theory. You shouldn't have these, you know, the Star Wars themes in there. You can have new themes. You don't have to just repeat themes, but you weave it.

You weave it into new stuff the way. And he did that. Who says that? They can't have Star Wars themes. Remember? You remember what they did in Obi-Wan? Obi-Wan, and then the composer said they didn't want to do it. And then Deborah Chow decided she didn't want to do it.

I thought that was a colossal error, especially when they, when Anakin and, You know, it's funny. Hold on a second. God's sake. Jesus Christ. And Obi-Wan, when they fought, whether it was duel of fates, whatever it was, bringing in some of those themes and like some of the classic, like, in those Obi-Wan edits, so many people did that thing where when he saves Leo off of the falling and they put the force theme on it,

it was so much more impactful. Kevin Kiner has a great way that he interweaves John Williams' tunes and makes his own. He is brilliant. Go ahead. I forgot what I was going to. Oh, because he wasn't even important. No, I'm with you on the theme because the discourse online was recently about that,

where they were tearing apart Gal Godot's one woman anytime she shows up, her theme pops in. It's like, Jesus, I was like, that's her theme. It's her theme. It's like where James Bond walks into the room, you'll play variations on it. If there's an action scene, you hype up the theme, or you'll do a slower version of it,

it's still the same theme. So with these characters, like, Obi-1 has a theme. So when it plays, we know it's Obi-Wan. I love that. You gotta have it. That's the theme. That's what it's called theme music. I really hope that they start to you.

I am going to tell you. I think that Kevin Kiner music is going to blow people away in this series that people are going to go, why isn't this guy doing more stuff? Ludwig was great. Ludwig was great, but I think I just think Kevin Kiner's all. I have a theory on that. I have a feeling it's because he does all the animated stuff. And like we say with animated it has a different, it's looked at differently. Yeah.

I think the same is for music. I think... I would have agreed with you if he didn't just do the Peacemaker series. But that was... It was DC. Yeah, I was thinking more of like...

There's a very big distinction between TV and film composers, and I don't agree with it. I see a lot of that with a guy named Bear McCreery. Yeah, Bear McCurry's great. He has done so much... And I'm like, why is he not doing movies?

Like, big movies. I think he has done a bunch. He does, but he's not up there with... In the conversations of, like, the Zimmers and stuff, I'm like, he absolutely can be in there. Sure. So but Kevin Kiner, I know as an animation guy, it's his music.

And I'm like, he's. Yeah, but I think that because he can do it. He's Filoni's guy. So this makes no, I'm not surprised at all that he's doing this series. Because Faluny's probably like, no, I need, I need Kevin Kiner. I'm so glad that he is. And that's one of the reasons why. And I think that it's the same reason, you know, when you look at why Ludwig probably

got the job of Mandalorian is that he was, he's in the Marvel system. And, and Fabro was able to talk. Why wouldn't you get a guy? Littlewood was great. And we came up with that overall. Great theme. It was a great theme. And he didn't do it for the last season.

He didn't do season three. He didn't. And he was, his presence was missed for sure. But I wonder why. I think as Nolan was like, hey, I got this movie called Oppenheimer.

He went to do that. He did, he did Oppenheimer. So I think that's a, yeah, of course. But with Mando, like, you've done what you've done. Like, you've created his theme.

You did Bose music early on in season. So it's like, all right, you can use my themes. Here's my music. Just do what you got to do. I know, and I think that, but I think that's why you would just, if you have, you could just have kinder do it all, man. Especially considering now, they're not going to have as many series out per years we thought, because that's the next piece of news.

Oh, no. Skeleton crew. Oh, yeah. All right, there was a listing for Disney's upcoming streaming schedule. On August 9th, Disney had its Q3 earnings call. This is from our buddy Miguel Fernandez over at Star Wars Newsnet. And they reviewed the state of the company between April and June and announced a few changes going forward, including a $3 month price hike for the ad-free tier of Disney Plus in the U.S.

In the 19-page presentation, that was posted online, a list of upcoming events for each of Disney's major arms and in the key upcoming Disney Plus and Hulu releases list, Skeleton Crew, it's missing. As you can see, there are only dates for projects that will be released up to September 6, but the list goes on with more titles that will follow after. Eagle-eyed fans might also notice a few interesting points, like Loki Season 2 not having a release date anymore, even though Disney Plus said it's coming out on October 6th.

Additionally, A Haunting in Venice is listed as an upcoming Hulu release, even though it hasn't debuted in theaters yet. We'll do so on the 15th. So, Skeleton Crew, at one point I think, let's see, Marvel said that Echo is missing and that was dated for November. That's going to be pushed. However, even considering that this is not locked up, it doesn't technically mean skeletons in crew will be delayed.

It is also the first indication Disney has given the new series might not release this year, something we've suspected a while might happen as a rap production in January, and the ongoing dual strike will push back other projects down the line. All right, so they also really... Miguel goes on to say that one of the major reasons also they must push it back because it's kind of an unknown property

and they need Jude Law to really promote it. And I agree with that. I think this is a 95% chance that it's coming out in 2024. What do you think? Yeah, I think we're reaching that point where studios are now like, we don't have content left. We thought we could last pretty long, but we don't have anything. I think what kind of threw them up for a loop was the fact that they can't promote stuff.

So the writer's strike happened, and we've been through a big one in 2007, but your actors can still promote even if you've finished the film or you're working on the film, you can still talk about the film. Or if the work's got to stop on a film, like let's say Deadpool at the time. Three, let's say it was just a writer's strike. You can't write anything more.

You might be able to film more, and the actors can still talk about it, so the word is still out there. But now the actor's like, man, it's saying anything. There's nothing. You can't do anything. So I think that added like, oh, we had stuff we could show, or at least hype up, and we can't even do that anymore.

Well, you can't do that with Skeleton Crew. because as Miguel points out. Yeah, no one knows. First of all, it's called skeleton crew. It's not Star Wars Skeleton Crew. If it is, it's, you know, people are just calling a skeleton crew. So nobody's going to know what that is. What does it tie into?

Is it linked into Asoka at all? And I did notice this with Haunted Mansion. Directors are allowed to hype up the film. Sure. And I think I'm seeing it with Blue Beetle now, but it's just not the same. It's not the same. And again, 99% of the time, it's the actors that are, they're the ones

that can know, they get out there, so there's social media, I don't know as many directors have as big as social media presence as the actors would, you know, and studios have now relied on the actors to promote their movies. Right.

And their social media following. And I'm talking the big stars of Tom Cruise is of the role. I'm talking about the, like, they probably the cast of Skeleton Crew. Right. These young kids. But it goes back to that thing

we were talking about last week, though, with, remember there was that rumor that Mandalorian season four would not be season four and instead it would be a movie, movie. Yeah. This starts to make you go maybe because,

yeah, think about it, you've got, let's say skeleton crew comes out in February. Okay. Hypothetically. And then, let's say,

Acolyke comes out in. Oh, Ackleck, that's right. I forgot about that thing. Like, April, May is what they said.

Are they done shooting on that? Do they wrap? Yeah, they said it's where they wrapped. And then, and or season two is supposed to come out at the end of next year. But that, oh,

well, that's made it happen around. right now. There's no writing and no acting on it. So they, that's... So that's going to get pushed. Unless, unless, because they already have all the scripts and everything too, and everybody started filming it, that could come out of the end of next year. But possibly, at the very, at the latest, I think it may be 2025. The only reason I would go with that too is just watching season one, it's not as VFX heavy as the other ones. So that might benefit them. Maybe so. I mean, it's, but it's, they have the things that are,

that are locked into it. But then just also, if you, skeleton crew, though, is the one that needs to come out because it ties into, it's part of the Filoni Favreau universe. Is it? Yeah. And it needs to play into what happens into the movie. But aren't they in the outer, outer rims?

They get lost or something too, but it's in the same time period. So I don't. So who knows? So then you've got, then you're going to have to figure out, they're going to pay very close attention to what happens with, Asoka because if it's as popular as they hope it will be, they're going to want to

a green light a second season that will also tie into it. So yeah, there's a lot that I don't, they've made their own bet a couple different times with this stuff, but this one's a little trickier because of the strikes. They finally had a plan of like, okay,

we have this, what's going to lead into what and now they've got to push things back. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I think Skeleton crew most likely will be pushed back. There hasn't been any... They haven't been a trailer yet for Akely. There's even been a trailer yet.

I wonder if they're going... Real quick before we move on to the other stuff, the strikes. You know, there's conversations now. Do you still stand on... I forget where you stand on the last other... When do you think it's going to... I thought...

Well, there was talk I'd heard on Friday, maybe, that the writers had gotten a proposal from the guild, from the British's thing, but then... seem like nothing. Again, and some people are very vocal on social media. The writers, they're like, do not believe

anything unless it comes from our union. Because there's a lot of disinformation, and you're kind of seeing the shady side of the producers. They control all the trades, and they can control what comes out. We gave a great proposal. It's on their plate now for not taking it. I think the fall. Yeah. I think the fall maybe.

I hope you're right. That's what I'm here. Who was I talking to last night? Ralph Biscuits. Biscuits? How is he? No, Sammy Biscuits. I was talking to. Who were I talking to last night? Where was I?

Oh, I was in rehearsal. Someone had said they know people on the producing side, and they're saying September, October. They think it'll be right. I think they'll at least come to the table then.

They've got to figure out something because, like I said, they have just too many movies and big types of projects and award stuff and things that they've got to get out there in time. If it was just the writer's strike, I have a feeling it'd still be going for a while. Yeah, for sure. But when the actors joined

in, I think the producers realized like, we're in trouble. Warner Brothers is going to push to get, I'm telling you, Dune, Wonka, and Aquaman. They have three major movies coming out from, like, or one of those going, well, we just got a billion off Barbie, so we're

all right. Because I think they were feeling that was like after the flash, like, well, it goes fast, dude. They don't know me, but I'm like. You lose that. I mean, but are any of those going to be massive hits? I think Wonka could be better. The first one didn't do great. It did pretty good.

For its budget, it did pretty good. Aquaman, I think, is going to be... Aquaman, I think, is going to be... It's going to be disappointed. Again, I was... And I love the first one. I can't believe, still to this day, that that movie made over a billion dollars. It's crazy.

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I want to talk a little bit about this, Blue Beetle, baby. Blue Beetle is coming out. The embargo dropped this morning, so I can, I do. I put my non-spoiler out, but I can talk to Mike about it now, too. I haven't seen it yet, though. I know, I know. I'm not going to spoil any of you. But, like, the Blue Beetle, the reason why I was going to talk to you about it is I know nothing about the lore.

Yeah. Like, nothing. So, this, I'm a big Sholo, Medaduania fan. Sholo. That's how you pronounce it. I'm always, because I know he was a guest on your show. I love the interview, but I'm always like, I can't say his name out. Yeah, he taught me how to say it when he was 17.

Sholo. He did what? He taught me how to say his name when he was a guest. 17 because I was trying to pronounce it and I said a couple times and he said he're close and then he told me the pronunciation how old is he he's like 20 I mean when I first interviewed him he was 17 back for it was 28 for okay right yeah first season so sholo showlo meaduena okay yeah that's how you say enough so um and and I've been rooting for this kid for a while because um he's a great great human being I didn't even kid anymore he's like

you know 20 to 24 years old it does true But I said, you know, if they're given this guy a shot, and they should, because he's so damn likable on Cobra Kai and he's really good in this movie. And I'd say that if I had never had one conversation. That's a general consensus on all the reactions I've seen is he's fantastic. He's fantastic. He's fantastic. And he's just because he's so, he really brings life into Jaime Reyes. He really brings life into him and makes you care about him.

and that's the stuff I like the most about the movie. Did you like Ms. Marvel? The TV show. Yes. I didn't finish it. Okay. I loved her. Yeah.

And I love her as an actress. I love her. But the show, when they brought in like those bad guys, they were just random dudes. It was the superhero stuff, but the family stuff you loved, right? Yes.

That's how I feel about Blue Bebel, right? Like, not, I actually, I didn't dislike the superhero stuff in Ms. Marvel as much as you did, but I didn't think it was the most important. It just lost me in there. going about like the history of the bracelets.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, all right. I understand that. And the stuff was, it was the dynamic. And that's what works for me in this movie. The stuff with the family, it's like, and it's not just, you know, because Shazam had a good family, the first one had a good family dynamic too. And that's what worked.

The emotion that you have with this, you care and you're invested in everything going on with this family because they make you care whether they're joking on each other, whether there's a happy moment, whether there's a sad moment. you care about it. But then the other one that stood out to me was Bruna Marquesini. And she,

I never heard of her before. She is, she's great. She plays a love interest. She's really, really good in it. And the acting is great. George Lopez is good.

Susan Sarandon, she's a great actress, obviously, but very one-note villain. Reminded me of this like any other. Sharon Stone and Catwoman? Maybe. Like, yeah.

Maybe. And I think that that's the stuff that. And she was, she replaced someone, Or someone had to bow out. I remember that. I forgot who was originally cast in the role. Yeah, she came in later.

Okay. Well, the superhero part of it, it's fine. It's just, it's venom, it's giver. See, that to me is like all the review, I'm not reading the reviews. I'm reading the reactions. And they all strike me very much as Black Adam Shazam reactions. No, no, not.

It's, it's, well. I feel like they're better. I'm not saying it. Because Black Adam, Black Adam had a very 90s, late 90s movie. But the people, but the, The fan, I'm not talking critics. I'm talking to you, the John Rokas of the world. I'm talking the fans that go to the fan screenings.

They're the hype men. And that's why W.B. invites them. The Blue Beetle Battalion. It seems like they're, I have a very, they're trying to tiptoe around critiquing the movie because it's person of color led, person of color director. So they don't want to critique it as a movie as how this is like, well, I wasn't going in.

with much expectations, but I was blown away by the family dynamic. So they're not listing what they didn't like. And they're all saying that he's great. Family is great. And that's, but they're not going to, but the villain's awful. This and this. I wouldn't say she's awful, but my critiques of the film

is that it's a very one-note villain. The villains themselves seem like it seems like every other superhero movie. And I think that it had come out 10 years ago, it would have been a little more fresh. That's like, it feels... There is, the superhero stuff, I feel like, when I see When the superhero thing's happening, I feel like I've seen this a million times.

But it's like I was waiting for the next scene with the family because that's the stuff I was like, oh, I'm so locked into this. And there's a lot of that, though. Do you feel, having seen it, that's why Gunn is, because I'm like, I'm interested because right now it seems like it's going to be a massive success. Yeah. Because of these. I'm saying, I'm saying going off of these reactions. But also I felt that way with Black Adam, with Shazam and the Flash. All of the early reactions from these fans who.

screenings. I said, Bell's like, oh, it's going to be great. When the movie comes out, like, what happened? Even Shazam was doing well in, like, your early screenings. Like, oh, it's just as, if you love the first screen, you love the second one. And I love the first one. The second one was like, it was like a first draft of a movie. I didn't mind that.

I didn't mind. I actually thought exactly that Levi was the worst part of the movie, but I thought the... 100%. I don't know. What character was he playing? Like, a 12-year-old and an 18-year-old's, what was he doing? I don't even know he was doing. But I didn't mind, but I didn't mind the movie that much. But back to what I was saying

Do you feel that's why Gunn is saying The movie's not part of the DCU The characters because they saw it And they go, ooh, this family works He works Yeah Connected with this whole style and tone And bad guy and this and that

We're going to get rid of that But we're going to keep you in the family And we're going to put you in a completely new thing I think from after seeing the movie And again not spoiling anything I think you could make the whole thing part of the DCU It doesn't There's two post-credit scenes

but they don't, all they basically do is try to push onto a sequel. They, I think that you could absolutely do a second film with everybody and still make it part of the same thing. Oh, another thing that I was watching when I was watching, like, you know, people lost their minds when George Lopez said, the Batman's a fascist. Like, they lost their minds on it. He's a conspiracy theorist.

I'm going to say this is the biggest Batman fan out there. Batman is a fascist. He is. And Batman is also a terrorist. He just fights the right kind of villain. He's a villain terrorist. Yeah, he does, like, causes terror for villains. Against villain, like, he is a terrorist.

So the fascist thing, I think... I think he's more of a vigilante. I think it was George Lopez, a man of color saying it against a white hero, and I'm just like... Well, I think... Batman is a fascist. See, I don't find him... I don't think Batman's a fascist, but what I will say is I was not offended by the comment because I said, I think that the character seems like he's a conspiracy thing. theorist and just, and that's what he is.

I think the funny bit, like, if the whole family, if they were like, no, they're painting him as this is how he was, and Batman's as a bad guy, and it's like, what are they doing a Batman? They don't change Batman. It's just one guy's opinion on him. The funny thing would be if every time he pops up in a scene, he's like, oh yeah, the Wonder Woman, she's fascist. Like, every hero is, right. He's got

everything he's got, his, like, George, Rudy, the character, he's just, he's, he's got an opinion about everybody, and everybody's It's like crazy uncle that we all know. Yes. Yes. And that's how he is. But overall, I mean, look, I'm excited. You know me. DC guy. Come on, man. I think that the movie, I'm excited for Sholo because I do, and the fact that I agree with you, I think that what happened was that you looked at the gun saw this and said, this kid's a star and they're going to put him in the DCU. I also think because he saw him, saw the movie go, this kid's great. And it's not like an Affleck or a Cavill or don't get started in the gal stuff. We're going to talk about that. Because you heard there's the new wrinkle on that.

Let's talk about, because we did talk about last week. He talked about last week. He's not associated with any of those movies. He's not a peer to them. So keeping him is not like, because I just saw that A&A, and again, anytime I get a thing, I'm like, where's the source? And then if I see it four or five other times within an hour. So now they're talking Marga Robbie's back.

Oh, is that coming out too? Yeah. And a couple credible sources. I don't know if they're just repeated, but I'm like, I love her. Made a billion dollars for you. You cannot keep her. You know, well, that's the way studios thing. Oh, of course.

I just think. Of course. She's just made a billion dollars. She's like the biggest movie star in the world right now. And they're going to say, you better put her back in there. If we have under contract, use the contract. You can't have her in there. I'm sorry.

Well, so let's get to the gal thing. Let's get to it. Because last week we talked about it and we said we were so confused about what the hell is going on. Galgado has an interview. Obviously, both these interviews came out or recorded before the strike, but came out last week. And then she says first. She says, okay, just let everybody know. And they said, what's going on?

Is it yours? What's wrong? Who's calling me? That's a spam risk. Who is this? Pick it up. Right now? No.

What if it's spam? They get my phone and stuff. Who gets your phone? The hackers. What are you talking about? Shut your mouth. So anyway, gal comes up and she says, yeah, when it went over through. It's in development.

And then she did another one. They told me, Peter Safran and Gunn both said, you have nothing to worry about. We're developing it. And then Gunn was like, or someone had a report. I think Clyder was like, yeah, it ain't happening. It's not happening. And then it seems like, we said this and we thought it could be, it seems like she might have been doing the rock thing

and kind of politicking to try to get the audience to say, hey, listen, we really want this thing, make it happen, and they had no plans to do it. Because Gunn said to somebody on Twitter was like, hey, are you not going to put Wonder Woman in the next three years? And he's like, no, she'll be in there. But it didn't seem like it was going to be Galgado. It can't be her.

And also, and again, I don't know their ages, David Corenswet and her seemed vastly different in age. Not too much, probably like 10 years or something, but... For Superman Wonder Woman, that's a big deal. But I mean, you can't. Regardless, I love her. Yeah, I just don't... If you were going to do it, if you were going to do it, you should

have done an Elseworld's thing, but it doesn't look like... It looks like it was politics, and it looked like she was trying to do a thing because she was promoting her new movie, and she knew that she could get the headlines on it, plus the fact, she knew that she can get the fans behind her that maybe, and there was the, you know, people got pumped up and, and, you know, people got pumped up and said, yeah, we wanted to have it back. And that's maybe they told her in the room. Don't worry.

But you've got to look at those box office results, man. Like you were just mentioning, the flash eats it. Black Adam barely breaks even. Shazam 2 eats it. Blue Beetle not tracking well. You're going to, and Aquaman 2, apparently not tracking, or at least not tracking necessarily, but having problems or whatever it might be. I feel the worst for Blue Beetle just because.

Can't promote it also. You can't promote it. It seems like it's a fun movie. Even if it's just, you know, because not everything needs to be the Flash. Right. Even if it's just a fun family movie and it's like it's in such a crappy spot because, and again, this this leans to where you're saying it's not tracking well. Like with the Flash, I enjoy it. It was a very fun movie and I think as people see it eventually on home video or whatever they go, yeah, this is really fun.

But it's like the perception is this doesn't matter. Right. And why should you sit? You shouldn't go as like, well, if this is matter, why am I going to see? He's like, could you see it because it's a good movie and it's fun. But to audiences who, you know, are now built into these universes, like, I know he's doing Superman. And there's a new Superman coming. That's the start of this new thing.

This DC, this is a mess. The hardcore fan is definitely a feeling that way. But the only thing, though, the difference is that, again, I don't think people know Sholo enough yet. Yeah. He is easily to me out of everybody, like, like, he, out of all the characters, Barry that just came out with, with Ezra. Shazam, Black Adam,

he's the most likable and you root for him. To me, like out of all the movies, it is the best, I think it's the best movie overall. I like that,

and I like the Flash. But to me, like Ezra Miller is a bit annoying sometimes as Barry. Sholo, you just want to see him on screen. Like,

he's just so likable. And Jaime Reyes is a great character overall in the way that they introduced them. So the problem is, is that if a movie with the with the flash with Michael Keaton wasn't able to and Henry Cavill

just barely broke even with the rock right the kid from Cobra Kai as much as I love him it's a hard sell it's a hard sell you're hoping like I said this people got so there's one guy got mad at me and I said this I said I think that one of the things that I saw a lot of people getting support for was the fact that this is the first

really Latino based like full superhero movie with a family and everything too. And I said, I feel like in the same way that with Black Panther, where the African American community came out to support that it's really going to help the box office that the Latino community. And this guy's like,

don't just assume that Latinos want to see this movie. I was like, I just thought it was kind of a monumental experience. Excuse me, experiment, experience because this is a this is the first time this has kind of happened. I can't speak to anything in that point because for

decades, every superhero that came was a white guy. So, but what I am seeing is, especially in our circle of friends, the reviewers, like, they're, like, finally, this is our, not like our time, but this is, this is us. This is, we get the big superhero on the big screen. So it's not saying anything against that, but I'm just like. That's the best part of the damn movie is the, is the culture, is the culture of it. It's the same thing that why I like Ms. Marvel.

The culture is why, like, from the music to, I could smell the food in the kitchen when they were, when they were cooking. I'm telling you, like, that's the type of stuff that I was like, that's what I loved. I loved that. And I was like, that they did that so well where you could really feel it. So I really hope this movie does well. I hope that it exceeds expectations on. I kind of miss the fact.

And again, this is pre-gun. Yeah. Where this and backer were going to be streaming. And we were going to have streaming movies, theatrical movies, peacemaker. I do miss it. that. I thought for a while there there were these lesser known characters these

you know that that introduced them on and streaming as movies and then if they do well we'll introduce them they'll come into the bigger films in you know. And I know that's a whole other topic where well why are the two films led by people of color going to streaming and I

didn't look at it like that because I would love to see you know the question. Some white dude on a TV show because I don't think he deserves a movie. I don't think the character of that I think DC has such a pantheon of characters that not all of them would work

for a two and a half hour of film. But on a movie for 90 minutes, an hour, 45 minutes, that I can see streaming and I can see it every day if I wanted to watch it. I was like, I love that idea. I miss that. I know. I understand. But they did see something in Blue Beetle. Like, well, let's pump it up and put

on the big screen. The director, Angel Manuel Soto, was interviewed and it started out as an age, this is from a comic book movie, Mark Julian. It said it started out as the HBO Max. However, director Angel Manuel Soto was adamant that the first big-budget Latino superhero movie needed to go to the theaters. And when Blue Beetle was announced,

it was set to be released on HBO Max alongside Backgirl. Then when Back Girl was canceled for tax write-off purposes, many wondered if Blue Beetle would suffer a similar fate. Instead, the director... Instead, the film was... was announced to be released in theaters. In a new interview with Collider, Soto shared the role. He played in moving Blue Beetle from streaming.

He said, when I came into the project, the mandate at the time was that everything goes to HBO Max. And I was like, I'll do the movie for the opportunity, but it can't be the first time. We have Latino superheroes front and center, not just a Latino playing a hero, but when he's a Latino, his family's Latino, and they're gonna actually be heroes of their own stories

for the first time, it can't just live on streaming. It has to go to the theaters. The whole experience of watching these fantastical movies, is to be amazed and in awe about being able to see our culture represented differently. We worked very, very hard to do this world building where the action sequences, the suit, the passion of the family, and the culture aspects are presented in a way worthy of watching it, not only in the theater, but even on IMAX and being able to see our communities. That way, I think we did an amazing job and bringing it to life to the concept development of it all

that at the end, Warner Brothers decided this movie has to go to theaters. Which is a great, look, that's fantastic. And you can tell, look, I will say this. You can tell the passion for this guy when he made this movie. But I'm torn because that to me, and again, I'm not the guy to be saying this. You know, every superhero white dude is on the big screen. So it's not for me to say. But I think it's a dig at streaming.

Well, but you know what I'm saying? It's almost like the animation versus live action. Like, it's animated. We're not going to, it's on streaming, so it's not really a movie. I know what you mean, but it's also. Like, look at Netflix, make a $100 million movies like extraction. And I know, but there's a difference. So because it can be lost in the shuffle

and it's the theater experience and the idea that you're showcasing the talent, you're showcasing it. You're going there because on TV, you went on streaming, you can put it on for a second, and then you can pause and go turn on a football game. You're a baseball game, right?

You can't do that when you go to the theater. It's like you're locked into it. You're there. It's on the awning. I understand it. I understand it's like it's the theatrical experience. But also, I feel, yeah. I'm torn.

I really am because I think streaming you get so many more eyes on it though because nowadays it's like do you though you don't know we don't we don't know but it's just like a family of four and this is a very family oriented movie we're seeing this all the time with they can't go to every movie that comes out so they got

to wait for streaming you know it's like family of four with buckets of popcorn 125 bucks the movies and again I know you you realize this but the same thing though but that family of four let's say that it's a Latino family that wants to go and see but you've got to get every family to go you can't just I agree with

But what I'm telling you, though, is that... To get the numbers. But I'm telling you the... But let's say you do get the other families that want to go see it. But to answer your question, as far as the streaming goes, that the Latino family that wants to go see and wants to support in the theater, they are like, whoa, we're watching it at home, which is great. We're all together.

But like, I want to see... I want to see my representation on the big screen. So here's a topic for discussion, probably not between two white dudes. Because I'd love to have, like, Roke involved in this at some point, because of him being in the film world. What do you feel? Because I've seen people of color come out on social media and say, hey, we have got to go and see this movie.

We have got to show up for this. Because if we don't, and David Ayer is a very big proponent of that as far as supporting people of color in their films where it's just like, if you don't show up, the studio's going to go, oh, that failed, they didn't show up for it, right, we're not going to make another one, Whereas the DC fans are showing up. We're showing up for this movie.

Whether you're black, white, Latino, Asian, we're going to show for it. DC fans didn't show up for the Flash. Well, they're the reason they get the big, like, a decent crowd. And then the general audience is like, I don't have a shit. Right. So what is to the point is where we do see, you know, the directors and whatnot going, all right, Latin community,

we have to show, like the guy that said to you, he's like, I don't have to go up for this. It's an interesting topic. because for discussion, like the African American community came out for Black Panther. The three has made billion dollars. Right.

You know? And I'll never forget. I'll never, still this day, this incredible experience of seeing it opening night and people getting up and leaving. And I'm like,

it's Marvel. Don't they know? It's like, Mike, you don't understand. For a lot of people, this is their first time seeing a superhero movie, you know,

because they don't know that there's post credits. Well, you're saying, right, they didn't know their post credits. So it's because, it's like, I can even think about that.

I thought everyone goes to see Marvel movies. but it brought an audience outside of the Marvel zeitgeist that knows that finally, you know, to be represented properly. So you're saying, you answer your own question

as far as why you'd want to go to the theater. I'm not saying, I'm not against, but this is also different than when Black Panther came out. Streaming movies and this, it's true,

in that five, four, five years. There's no world they'd ever put Black Panther on streaming. Of course, not. But I'm just saying D.C. was at a point like,

we're going to make great movies, big temples. We're also going to make movies streaming, these great movies streaming that are softer budgeted. You know, maybe not a known,

not as, like Leslie Grayson and Sholo, not as known, well-known big names that we can put on marquee names. Right. You know? Well, I think this is going to make, I think this is the star turn for, star turn for the guy. And I think Gunsizzee is that.

That's why he's like, he's the first character in the DCU. Whether this movie makes, you know, 30 million or 300 million opening weekend, I think he's, I think this is, okay, so then the box office discussion, because at the end of the day, money is key. Yeah.

Let's say this movie doesn't do well. But people then will have a failure. When I see this character again, he sucks. He only made $80 million. I don't think that's going to happen for this one. I don't think that even if it doesn't do well, I think people. You know me. I don't give a shit about box office money.

88 million, 80 million. 88% on rotten tomatoes right now. That's great. A bunch of critics. But what I will say is what I think is a possibility that can happen. I think this movie is going to open at like between 30 and 40. 40 million. Not a big, it costs 120 million dollars. Now it's

not, 120, it's not as big as you think these days. 120. I mean, do you know how much fast neferious, fast X cost? 370 or 360? 370? That's fucking amazing. Insane. So, Blue Beetle costs 120 and if it makes 30 to 40 and it's not including marketing, all that stuff. I would

say that this movie has the opportunity to ultimately do what Elemental did. just legs and keep going. Because of the word of mouth and because of the positive screening and it doesn't have any dirt, you know, like the Ezra Miller situation, and it doesn't have any dirt on it. It's got, it's a, it is a fun movie.

I don't think there's any competition. Not much. I mean, Grand Turismo and other things, oh, too. Rumors, that's really good. I heard, yeah, but, but it's still, it's a, I think that it has an opportunity to have legs because there's, it's in a good spot in August. It's in that spot of like if it's good, which it is and people are responding to it. If it can carry out and Barbie is starting to, it's still making money, but it's trailing off.

Isn't it still? It's still kicking ass. It's going to, yeah. The top of the body. Yeah. It still keeps beating everybody. It is. But I'm crossing my fingers for it.

I really want to see it do well. And I will be keeping an eye on. Regardless, it seems like we're going to see him again, though. That's, which is all it sucks, though, is let's say he's a success. Yeah. And it's, let's say the movie does well. We're not going to see him again for, what, four years? That's insane.

Right. Well, we don't know. Because Superman's, what, 2025 as of right now? As of right now. And they haven't, they haven't done anything on it. Like, they can't shoot, they can't write. Right. So this is getting, that's getting pushed.

I don't know what's happening. But either way, look, we talked about a lot here today on the big thing. We've done already? We're done. We talked about a lot. We talked about a lot of Star Wars stuff. Like I said, Mike and myself, we're going to be on, we'll be, if you stick, if you're part of the channel and,

you're subscribed to it, which you should be. You should be. You hit that button. Then tomorrow night, we're going to be seeing both episodes one and two of Asoka. We're going to do an added-of-the-the-the-reaction to two of us. So make sure you click those notifications, do all that. Check out Mike. I'll ask you, Mike. Where are you on the Twits?

On the tits? Twitter. Whatever it's called now. At Mike Kallasi. The X. On the X, baby. Every time I see that app, I'm like, oh, this is porn. I guess Twitter. I don't know what it is. I'm like, it's awful. You can't read. You don't retweet now. You repost. I don't give a shit.

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