The Kristian Harloff Show - HUGE! Feige Stays in Charge of SPIDER-MAN! More Tom Holland in the MCU!

Episode Date: September 20, 2024

HUGE news! Kevin Feige, the head of Marvel Studios, is still in charge of Sony's Spider-Man movies, which means more Tom Holland in the MCU! This is a major development for fans of the web-slinger. The upcoming Spider-Man 4 has found its director, with Shang-Chi's Destin Daniel Cretton set to helm the project. Feige and Sony are reportedly working on a deal for Holland's future appearances in the MCU after Spider-Man 4, potentially including cameos in Fantastic Four and X-Men films! Will we see a Deadpool and Spider-Man team-up? What does this mean for Venom 3 and Sony's Spider-Man universe (SSU)? The blockbuster success of Spider-Man: No Way Home revived the MCU, and now Holland is set for more Marvel adventures. This deal could keep him away from SSU films like Madame Web and Morbius, but what crossover potential exists? Plus, huge week in TV with The Penguin and Agatha All Along! Which one did the fans and critics prefer? Zack Snyder reveals which of his comic book films he's most proud of, and Sebastian Stan talks Thunderbolts. All this and more on today's live episode of The Kristian Harloff Capes and Cowls with Kristian, Winston, and Coy! Tune in to hear all about the latest in the MCU, Spider-Man, Marvel Phase 4, Daredevil, and more! #spiderman4 #spider-man4 #tomholland #spiderman #marvel #agatha #mcu #marvel #dc #dcu #thepenguin #youtube #mrbeast #amazon #lawsuit #drama #thesims #starwars #games #trailers OUR SPONSORS AG1: Try AG1 and get a FREE bottle of Vitamin D3K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase at http://www.drinkAG1.com/BIGTHING. That's a $48 value for FREE if you go to drinkAG1.com/BIGTHING JOYMODE: http://www.tryjoymode.com CODE BIG THING BETTERHELP: Http://www.betterhelp.com/bigthing BILT: http://www.joinbilt.com/BIGTHING  

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Cummins is a registered trademark of CUNS-N. Graham and Hemmy are registered trademarks of FCAUS LLC. There's a brand new deal with the MCU and Sony and Spider-Man. Kevin Feige is going to be in charge of Spider-Man once again, full steam ahead. So what does that mean? Are they going to actually be able to get that street-level thing made? Well, what it does mean is it's going to be a lot more Tom Holland than the MCU again, even though we thought he was going to maybe not do it anymore after this one movie.

It looks like Tom Holland is coming back. We got Agatha, Penguin, a lot more happening here. here today on the show. It is the Christian Harloff show, Capes and Cowles with myself, Winston A. Marshall, Coy Chondro. Let's do it, everybody. You ready? Yeah, I'm ready too. Wonderful. Okay, good. I like that. Let's do it. Perfect. It's frozen on me burning something. Whatever. It's Caps and Cows. It's myself, Winston A. Marshall and Coy Jondro. So gentlemen, how are you? I don't know, I just froze on the Highlander.

So dramatic. Yeah. You know, it's just to give people some flavor of the, you know, the ruthlessness of the penguin. It's the truth. Well, yeah, we're going to talk about that for sure. We're going to talk about this, this foggy news, all that stuff. But, Winston, we got to talk about what was going on last week. So Coe knows, so he's in the know.

So, Corey, so what we basically did, you know, we started, this is your first kind of like live show, I think, right? This is your first live one? Yeah, yeah, first one of these. So first live shows, basically what we did is that we want to make sure, like, every, since we started, we, you know, we have questions that we've done. You've done a live show with us before. Yeah, yeah, just not for this. Right, since we started. So once we do the topics, we go through all the topics, and then once we're done with all the main topics, we take questions from the audience.

Well, last week, we said, okay, you're going to be proud of this, because last, last, last, week we started and Roka started with we had 43 questions and Roxy said I'm not gonna be outdone this she did 46 questions Winston said hold my beer and did a hundred and six questions on Friday and I said coy wasn't even here it's a coy wasn't even here so hundred and six hundred and six so then we said okay we reset it in this week and I don't know if Winston knows who's in the lead this week I don't okay so on Monday John Roka hit 73 questions didn't quite hit the 160. Pretty good.

Hit 73. So he's in the lead this week of 73. Roxy did very well yesterday at 55, Steph 35. Our poor friend Tom Chattelbash came in for his first show ever in studio on Tuesday. Four questions. So, yeah. But nonetheless, we are here with a whole bunch of things that we're going to be talking about today. And you guys are ready. We haven't even started the show and you're ready at 14 questions.

So there you go. Let's get to this main topic because it is a, it's a big one, man. And that, of course, is this. Kevin Feigy will still be in charge of the Spider-Man films. MCU and Sony's reported New Deal will give us Tom Holland's appearances in more Marvel movies. Kevin Feige reportedly working out a deal with Sony to have Tom Holland's Spider-Man appear in more films in the MCU after Spider-Man 4. So with Tom Holland's Spider-Man 4 set to go on Floor's next year, new deals with the actors are reportedly being planned by Marvel and Sony. Apart from Holland's involvement, rumor has it that Marvel and Sony themselves are working on a deal where the

actor appears in more MCU films. To date, Holland has only appeared in the MCU Spider-Man Trilogy and the Two Avengers films after making his debut in Captain America Civil War. While the upcoming Spider-Man 4 has finally found its director, Kevin Feige has reportedly began to plan Tom Holland's upcoming appearances in the MCU. The Marvel Chief is reportedly working out a deal with Sony Pictures, who partly owns the rights to Spider-Man to get Holland to appear in more MCU titles. While Marvel Studios has produced Tom Holland's Spider-Man film, Sony Pictures still owns the right to the character and related villains. The two studios had struck a deal to allow the character to appear in the MCU.

However, now another deal seems to be in the works with more Holland appearances after Spider-Man for. Holland was last seen in the MCU swinging across New York City after the whole world forgot about the existence of Peter Parker. The blockbuster success of Spider-Man No Way Home gave a boost to the MCU, which seemed to be slacking after the pandemic with their streaming offerings. Holland first appeared a Spider-Man in Civil War. Despite Sony Pictures having the rights to the character and his villains,

Feige seemed to strike a deal with the studio to allow them to include him in the MCU. Marvel also produced the three Spider-Man films, and he also appeared in Avengers, Infinity War and Endgame. According to the latest scoop by industry insider Daniel Rickman, Feige and Sony are reportedly working on a new deal for Holland to appear in more titles after the upcoming Spider-Man 4. Fans seem to love this news and have expressed their opinion. A lot of people just kind of weighing in on this here.

And then obviously there's a lot of hinting on the daredevil stuff, which is I think I would guess why they would do this in the first place. But I'm going to throw to you here first, Coy, you're the Spider-Man expert here. You hear the news and this potential. I mean, Daniel seems to be, this guy, Daniel R.P.K, he'd come out of nowhere over the last couple of years and seems to be pretty damn accurate. But this is something that makes sense. What say you?

I think that Sony is looking at the path they've already tread and went, oh, Madam Webb was the worst we could have done. And I think they're trying to not let that happen again. I think that Venom, they had a tone that they, you know, kind of figured out would work. And then they are running out of that with Venom three. I think that Morbius, they took a, you know, they got Achilles, but they didn't get kneecapped like they did with Madam Webb. So I think they're kind of trying to figure out what their universe is going to be. I personally, as you guys know, think Craven looks good. I personally am looking forward to Venom 3.

But we haven't heard anything else out of them since those. Like we haven't really seen the next step in Sony. So I think it's really smart for Sony to double down on their connection to Marvel. I think Kevin Feigey in general has been very transparent about restructuring everything. This does to me kind of nullify my theory that Secret Wars was going to revamp everything. It seemed to me that after Secret Wars, they were going to fresh start everything. But if they're making this big of a deal, Spider-Man's here for like another 10, 20 years. I mean, even if it's five to 10, it's still past Secret Wars.

So I think it's smart, but it definitely rewrites what I assume was going to happen at the X-Men and everything going forward. Winston, what do you think? I mean, I don't think it's a bad idea. And I think truthfully, the way, essentially this might be the way in which everybody gets to have their cake and eat it too. I still don't like the fact that they're attempting to not give us a street level Spider-Man movie that they want to immediately jump back into multiversal, multi-spiderman, like just, God, you guys got me saying Spider-Man like that now. I hate you.

Louis Spider-Man. Louis Spider-Man is coming into town and he'll be here for the math test. But I say all that to say, it feels like one of those situations that if Figey pulls this off with that negotiation, it is able to get Sony, you could potentially tell Sony, look, still get your money. Let us do this first because it is going to help us set some stuff up. It gives us a little bit more of a grounding,

and you'll still be able to run to the bank with however many Spider-Man you want to put into a live-action film after the fact or any grandiose sort of stuff that you're doing. Like, I feel like this is a situation where Feige is aware that he needs, you know, Spider-Man in order to truly move forward with what he wants to do. And so if you're pitching to them the long game and negotiating that out, that you might actually be able to get them to calm. I had to stop myself because there's a phrase that I've been using since I was, you know,

a teenager that I don't think I can say on the show because we're supposed to be family-friendly. But either way, just calm yourself. That's essentially what this feels like to me in order for the longevity of success. says. Yeah, I mean, look, it makes all the sense in the world for Sony to make this deal, but it's whether it's connecting it to Deer Devil, putting Deer Devil in there, I think the other thing too is eventually they're going to want to do stuff with Miles Morales, right? As you're saying. I think this is also this hard to interrupt. I think this is also the first time that both Sony and Marvel are in a position of their names aren't strong in the mouths of comic book fans right

now. I think that Sony has had hits and misses, but overall people are like, oh, it's a Sony movie. I don't know where they're distrust it, but then they still make a decent amount of money. Madam Webb showed that isn't always the case. And then Marvel, which is, you know, historically then, but Morbius wasn't as big of a deficit. It didn't do

well, but it wasn't like, we don't know if we get to make movies anymore for Spider-Man. I get it. The only, my only minor pushback is that they thought that it's morbid time was a thing, re-released the movie, and then actually lost even more money by the nature of re-release. That's like your favorite story. Winston loves that story. I mean, it is hilarious, but I also think that was like some

Gen Z intern misreading the internet. Like that definitely was like three or four misguided people made a big decision. But I think Marvel is not in the position they were the last Spider-Man negotiation. Like the last time they talked with Tom Holland, Spider-Man and did all that, Marvel was still this golden goose. Whereas right now, it isn't that. And I'm wondering of what kind of leverage each company has with each other in a different era. Well, here's the thing. You're not wrong when it comes to where Marvel is as far as quality, right? Now, if you look at the shows, there's no argument. There's no argument, right? But when it comes to the movies, even though, like, we don't, like, there's a lot of, a few of these movies, whether it's the Marvel's or

the Eternals, didn't have a lot of great box office, but even the ones that we're not crazy about, Thorloff and Thunder, Dr. Strange, you can still say if you're Bob Iger, hey, those movies still made a lot of money, man. You know, so when you're making that negotiation, because they don't negotiate, they don't negotiate through quality, these people, you know, when they should, but they don't. They negotiate through receipts.

And so Marvel still has that over Sony because they can say, look, the only mo, anytime you put anyone in your movies that it's making money is when it's with us, and you tried to do that with Morbius by put Michael Keaton in there, and that backfired on you. We shouldn't even let you done that in the first place.

So I think that they still hold the car, cards. Oh, I think they hold more cards. I just think they're not infallible. Like, I do think there's a different perception on it. Less cards. Less cards. They have more, but less than they have. Which is fair. And I think that for this, though, they're like, okay, look, this is what we need to do. We both need to do this. Let me run this. We know where we want to go with this. It will help you. It'll elevate you. It'll put money in your bank account. We will tell the stories that we want to tell. Because as we know, Spider-Man has a pretty big part in Secret Wars, right?

I mean, I think they're going symbiates saga. I mean, I honestly, my big tinfoil hat theory is that Null has a symbiate that ties into Spider-Man's universe and Null ties into Secret Wars. And then through using Null and Venom 3, we then get a symbiate that's going to attach to Spider-Man. We're going to have a loose symbiate story. And then the trilogy after the Secret War stuff is going to be Spider-Man's the Black Suit. Well, what's this mean for Tom Holland, though, right? Because Tom Holland, you know, one point was saying, you know, I had a great time doing it. and he's a really good actor,

and this is going to lock him in to Spider-Man for a very long time. He's going to be Spider-Man as much as, you know, Hugh Jackman was Wolverine, but on that same argument, Wolverine, or Hugh Jackman, rather, was able to do many other movies.

I think of the prestige, I think of these other movies, he's able to do a lot of other movies, and I just think that it means that Tom Holland and his kids and grandkids and grandkids and grandkids will never have to work ever again. Pretty much. That's what it reads to me is that they're going to back up the Brinkstruck

for him. And I think that he does enjoy playing the character. I know he's talked about the, you know, the pressure of it as far as like living up to it, which is part of the reason why John Watts walked away his director. He's like, we're never, his words in the quote essentially was like trying to catch lightning in a bottle like that again really isn't going to happen. Plus, I want to explore other things. I'm sure that's the same thing with Tom that I'm sure he wants to go explore other roles. But if you kind of want to set it up like, um, you see, see some players as far as like sports where it's like this is my main league this is the one that I play in every single year but then in the off season I like to go play over in China or I like

to go play in Australia or whatever that's kind of what this feels like for Tom this is going to be your bread and butter and then you in between you're shooting the other stuff that you want to do yeah I also think the industry is extremely different than when Hugh Jacqueline is coming up for using that example I don't know that you get to make as many movies as bold as the prestige or make as many bold swings as prisoners in between this stuff anymore. The industry is so largely just tent poles in theaters, indie movies on streaming, and I don't know if that comes back. Well, but I guess that's what I'm saying is that you're probably not going to get

the prestige where it feels sort of like an indie artsy movie, but it's obviously a main release that's in theaters and all that. I hear you on that one, but I can easily see that while Tom is doing Spider-Man that drops, you know, 2025 and then 20-27 and then- and then 2029 that he's at the same time in 2026 he's doing like an apple movie and an amazon movie and like even though those may not be like necessarily always you know wide release they are still end up in a CODA situation where you could potentially win Oscars and things like that like I think he'll have plenty of space to do the stuff that he wants to do

while at the same time stacking enough money that you know you could burn it half of it as the joker did and still have way too much damn money that's a good point um I'm just curious or where they're going to go with him. And if we cover it a little bit deeper, I guess, on the street level side of it, right? Because you know that they kept talking about how Faggy wanted the street level thing and Rothman and the rest of the crew wanted the big kind of multiverse thing. I wonder if they came to terms with that inside of this potential agreement

because it seems to me, Koi, you know, that if they're going to go and combine this street level Daredevil and be able to put Spider-Man in there, then how much more beneficial would it be to make the next Spider-Man for a little bit more grounded? But I don't think it's going to happen, but I think it should. I think this Kevin Faggy conversation sounds like it's edging towards that direction. And I think the interesting thing about Destin Daniel Creighton is, as a director, I could see him doing either one of those. And I love that.

I think that Shang-chi was a balance of two worlds. And so if you're going to do a multiversal story, he's the guy. But he's also incredible at hand-to-hand combat and filming things that feel artistic and unique. street level stuff he's a guy so i think that maybe they hired the guy that could do both and now they're figuring out which movie it is it's not unheard of to have two or three scripts at the ready and then just like okay this is and go so i would love if we found out later that this kevin foggy conversation was to get the street level one that we all want i'd also love if that leak you guys covered last week was a what is the culture want and then like all of us going like we want street

level it's pretty obvious like i'd love to find out that everyone in the internet it felt like in three days the entire internet went, that sounds like the movie we want. You know what the weird part is? When you did that with the mic, that's the best your mic has ever sounded. That's not wrong. All right. So that sounds so much better. Now that we're on TikTok, ASMR, I'm going to sound sweet nothing. I hate that it covers your whole entire face, but it's the best. We've talked about how much we hate this so much like in person to each other. And now that I've done it, you understand why. Yeah.

It's literally one of those things that, like, I have mad respect for all the creators that do it. It looks ridiculous. I hate it. But it works. This thing, when I have a really good point, I'll just go ahead and pinky out and have a... It's the worst. I mean, I hate it. I mean, Coy, if I just choke upon this like this, first of all, this looks very suggestive,

so I'm not going to do it for very long. But second of all... No, Dittie, Winston, no ditty. It doesn't look suggest. It doesn't look, it doesn't, it doesn't look suggestive. It looks like you're about to sing a, a, uh, a, a, uh, a, sweet song. Yes, about baby oil and loss.

See? Take it right there. Take it right there. The beauties of being live. All right. So we have a lot to discuss. There's no way to mute you fast enough. We have a lot to discuss, ladies and gentlemen. And it is, look at this, guys.

I said with Koi here, it was going to be a thing because Koi and Winston are already at 23 questions and we're only through the first story. Can we beat Roka again? Week two? Can you beat Roka again, Winston? Knock him off as perch two weeks in a row.

The funny thing is, he try to pretend like he didn't care. He's like, hey man, how about we get them questions on spill the tequila like that? I was like, so you're jealous.

And he's like, shut up. That's not important. Yeah. Hey, YouTube, I'm only like 70 subscribers away from beating Roka

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the longer shelf life is it the same is it one is it neither we'll discuss that in just a minute so let's start with agatha all along the new marvel cinematic universe series you got katherine hawn uh... abri plaza and it is we've all said it beforehand we didn't necessarily know why this show was being made it was probably greenlit at a time when they were handing out shows the way they hand out candy at a dentist office right so kathes Catherine Hawn, she does the, she's great. You go there for her, she delivers on it. I think that someone said this in the comment section,

and this is what I agree with, because Coy, I always get my one shot at what Star Wars is doing right now. And what they said was that the Acolyte marketed to an audience and they didn't know what the show was, and they basically lied to the audience of what, you know what? We don't know who we're really throwing this too. here's your show. This show knows exactly who they're marketing to. This is this, I will tell you that,

so I did a reaction with this for my wife. My wife didn't know anything about this show. She didn't like Wanda Vision. She tuned out after one episode. She liked Catherine Hans. She saw that she was in it. She didn't know what it was. Found out about which is she loves this show. The jokes hit for her. She is on board. And it's, I said, the show's not for me, but it's enjoyable. It's a, It's a well-made show. I think that the chemistry is good, but it's just, it's, I'm not the, I'm not the target demographic for this show, but I do think that it is a well-made show, and I think the chemistry is there.

I haven't seen your guy's reaction, but Winston, I'll start with you, man. What do you think of this show thus far? Yeah, I haven't had a chance to put up my second episode. I separated them out between episodes one and two, so I didn't get a chance to put out my second one yet, but essentially my feelings were I wasn't a huge fan of the first episode. It felt like we were kind of doing a riff off of Wanda Vision, like picking up where we left off in a good way, but also I got over it real quick

because it didn't quite clip the same way that the other show nods were in the first one. But once it started to show, it's its own thing. So she kind of snaps out of it and then we move on to the second episode. I actually really enjoyed it. Is it my favorite show of all time? know, but knowing the genre that we're in, the tone that we're in, I think the best description

that I saw someone say on the internet, it felt like if hocus pocus and desperate housewives had a baby. Yes, 100%. By that combination, I was like, I know what I'm in for. I'm here for it. And for that reason, I genuinely am enjoying it. But that first episode, I get what they were doing with the Agnes of Westview. Just it wasn't, it was moving a little too. slow for me to really dive into that one way or the other, let alone I'm assuming that's making that's a nod to mayor of Eastwood, yeah, which I was calling it mayor of Eastwick the whole time. But I, with me not having seen the show, I get it enough as far as procedural, but I just,

it wasn't working for me. And so once we got to the nitty gritty of what this really was, I was like, yep, I like it. I always like the meta stuff. I'm still like the nod to the meta, but it just wasn't clipping but once we got to episode two and i knew what this was i was like yep i'm here well that's what i mean the show clearly knows what it wants to be it it knows what it wants to be and it has the chemistry and all that i just i still don't understand totally like who they're going after and the whole if they feel like you know if this is this is the audience we're going after and we're trying to get new people involved on on the show because like you know you're not going to get the the traditional marvel fan the traditional marvel fan is not going to you know

know, it's like, oh my God, I can't wait to sign up and watch Agatha. But they will bring in, like this is, like I said with my wife, what you're getting here is you're winning over my wife. You're going to get people who, and she did not know any of this stuff, but it doesn't mean that she's going to now tune back into everything Marvel does. And if the idea is, we don't care about that. We just want people to find this show. And we want people to watch this show and enjoy this show as it is. That's what it is. and we're going to find some new people to watch it.

Then I think that they've succeeded in that. And I didn't watch three and four. Did you watch three and four, Coy? No, I've just seen one and two. You've only seen those two. Okay, so same. So I've only seen one and two. So three and four could get better.

It could get worse. But Coy, from what you've seen thus far, where do you stand on this? I agree with everything both of you has said. I also really like the desperate Pocus concept. It does feel like it's a bit of desperate Pocus. That blend does really work for this show. But what I'm curious about is what you just said with your wife, I think, is exactly their goal, because there's a huge contingent of Disney branding that isn't Marvel that I do think is kind of bleeding into this.

There's that spooky group. There's the people that are like Disney diehard that I think is absolutely going to flourish in this. But I do think there's a smaller subsect that are going to be like, oh, that was the Starlet Witch Corner. That's Agatha, that if they do stuff with them in Secret Wars, I do think that'll be like, Oh, I'm already seeing it with my husband or boyfriend or girlfriend or sister. And then like now I'm more excited. So I think there is a little Venn diagram of they won't see it specifically, but it might get them more invested because the show is totally, totally different.

And I agree that it's very well made. It's got good chemistry. It's all the concepts I like, but it is certainly not for me. I definitely struggled with the first episode. I could watch it and acknowledge that it was doing clever, cheeky things, but totally, I didn't think it was landing them for me. Yeah. There's a very fine line between camp and corny.

And for me, it was on the other side of, it was corny to me, but I can see how people that love camp would thrive in it if that's how they perceive it. Like I did Rocky Horror for four years in LA. I love Rocky Horror, but there's not much else in the Rocky Horror space that I enjoy. Like I love Cabin in the Woods. There's not a lot of other meta horror that I dig. So I think my specificity is kind of handicapping my enjoyment, but by the time we got to the second episode. I don't know if it was because it whittled me down. I don't know if it's because

I love Aubrey Plaza with all my heart, but I was at least able to connect. And I think what they're doing is planting seeds for people like us that are just Marvel fans to find some connectivity with like musical elements that I couldn't do in Miss Marvel. Like when they started singing, I was like, oh, that's earned as opposed to like, we got a musical planet. Like I was able to connect enough that I'm excited for it to be my jam, but I'm not there yet. That's a great point. I mean, because I think that it was into where Winston was saying the same thing, where they start off in the first episode, like, oh, they're just doing Wanda Vision again,

and I said to my wife doing reaction, I'm like, I guess they're just going to do a new TV show every episode until how long, but they said, no, that's just to show you that Wanda's still there. She's still, you know, what was there before? It's still there. We acknowledge it. But this is more about, this is the adventure,

the adventure that Agatha is on. These are the people that she's going to be involved with. Here is your tone. And as I said, there are some jokes that, Agatha, when she's recruiting at one point, she starts telling these jokes to, and they're flying over my head, left and right. And my wife's like, do you understand that? Do you get that? I'm like, not really, but you are, and that's great. Right. And so there was some, the show's not aimed towards me. It just isn't. It's not aimed towards me. And I just wonder where it's going. Here's the thing. As we're, I'm watching, again, the acolyte, and I'm going, the show is just such a mess. And it's all over the place with the

writing and the story and like it doesn't certain things just don't make sense I still don't know why that Jedi killed himself I still have no explanation this story's explaining everything so far is explaining what it was whether whether or not I you know like you said coy I'm like locked in or not I know my oh well okay I look over to my right my wife is following it loving it I'm like okay this is for her but I still wonder what the deal is for Marple of what they're trying to do over where do these people fit in the MCU? As we just said Tom Holland, where do they fit? I do think there is an element of the spinner rack that's happening at like when you go to a comic store, there's not going to be just action comics. There's not going to be just detective comics. There is going to be some

stuff that's like Spider-Man loves Mary Jane and like those comics that are for a demo that might not read both. I think it's really smart of Marvel to do things like this show. It's just whether or not that tone will fit into an Avengers movie if they try to. I could see them using some of this. I honestly, I don't know if this is a spoiler, but Aubrey Plaza's character, I think has huge ramifications. I think she's one of three characters that would be hugely impactful to the greater Marvel universe, but I don't know if they'll go that way because it would imply a need to watch this show that diehard fans might not have. So it is that question of how much is this going to be a must

watch thing for the greater MCU? But this is where I go back to the same thing with Werewolf by by Night. And I know that they were going to try to include that at some point to the MCU. Let this thing be its own thing. Let it be a thing that you. you tune into on Halloween and the scary, you know, because it fits for, because that was the other thing my wife said when she was watching it. She goes, oh, this is a great thing to watch during the Halloween season, you know, and it's like, let it be its own thing. Don't, don't force it because this tone in the same, it just, I don't know how they force this tone into the MCU. I mean, in the same way that you watch any of those other MCU movies and all their tones are different. Like, I mean, I think

what you would end up doing. These characters, oh, Winston, but these characters are so different. I understand that, but Agatha, we've already established as is. So you may not have to duel with the whole coven. But I'm saying that that is for the world of this show. I bet you there will be a point in time, especially when we get to Secret Wars, that they're like, cool, if you're trying to get ready for, you know, that we've gone through Doomsday and now it's on to Secret Wars,

it's obviously watch the movies, but then watch episodes like two and seven of Agatha, just like for the pieces, the nugget that you need in the same way that if you were watching a TV show, they're like previously on Agatha all along. I genuinely think there will be a situation where there will be specific episodes that will tie into what we need and then the rest is just filling out a TV show. And I think if you start treating it that way going forward

if the shows are going to be important like that, I don't think people will have a problem. And if you don't like the tone, you can survive two episodes. It won't kill you. You know what I'm saying? I think that that is what they're starting to aim to do, which honestly makes more sense.

And it's just like the comics. Right, exactly. Go read Spider-Man 158 and Spider-Man 222, and then this will make sense for what's going on in Civil War right now. Like I think that that is what we're starting to see them start to make a shift to. Yeah. So look, overall this show, the tone is set. It knows what it wants to be.

How I think that it's a lot, there's a lot of episodes. It's only like 30, minutes like the rest of these shows. This is one of those times where I'm like, that's okay. And I think that I am curious to see where it goes, because as I mentioned and Coy mentioned, Aubrey Plaza is wonderful. Catherine Hahn is tremendous. So for those two alone, I'm curious to see where it ultimately goes. We will see. But then the other, just last night, the Penguin debuted. And this was one where I was where I was, where I was mentioning before him with my wife, this one is aimed more towards me than it is my wife's

taste. And she doesn't know it yet because I told her we were good, because we're going to watch the Batman together. We're going to do, she doesn't, she watched like the first 20 minutes and bailed on it, so I'm going to make her do a reaction to the whole thing. We're going to save for three hours. So, but the penguin, she's like, well, then I guess I'll just watch that with you. And I was like, well, I know I'm going to talk about it with the guys today. So I'm just, I just filmed myself doing a reaction to it. And I did episode one. I didn't tell her.

She doesn't check the channel anyway, so she wouldn't even know. But the penguins. She's a star, bro. More reason not to watch what's going on. But the penguin was something I was very much looking forward to. And this show delivered and then some. This show was awesome. This is just an amazing.

And man, the way that they, Winston, you're always talking about Gotham and how it's such, you know, one of the big characters. The way that they paint Gotham in this show, I mean, it is so gritty, so right, and it doesn't look, sometimes when there's shows and movies that come off of other parts of that franchise in the IP, it doesn't look, that does look like anything like that IP talking about. This looks like it was filmed right after the Batman concluded. It opens up pretty much letting you know that, yep, everything in that movie happened, and these are the ramifications of that,

and this is what's going on here. Colin Farrell is just doing masterful stuff in this role, masterful stuff with his, from the way that he's, his accent, to the little subtle things he's doing with his head as a penguin, his walk, the story itself, the manipulation of the mob stuff. Coy was talking to Roxy, and she told me, because I asked, I said,

it doesn't have that soprano's vibe, and she said, well, Coy had mentioned it has like a breaking bad vibe, and I said, and Roxy's like, I don't see that, I see it more so on the Sopranos. I am going to split the difference. I think it's Sopranos meets Breaking Bad. I think there's tons of Breaking Bad stuff in there, but I think that there's a certain element that happens at the end of the episode

that is very much Sopranos, straight out of Sopranos, and you get an understanding of the psyche of Oz in this. And it's someone that he meets along the way and a reason why and how they put that. The chess game's going on. I'm in. Coy, let's start with you here. What do you think?

I think this is my show of the year pretty comfortably. I love the bear. I love the boys. I love a lot of TV. But I went into this thinking it was my most anticipated show of the last like two years. Since Matt Reeves, the Batman ended and they announced a penguin and an Arkham show, which I hope this does well enough, the Arkham show comes back. Since those announcements, I've been like one of my favorite actors of all time playing a very

slept-down villain that's been misinterpreted by a lot of pop culture in a universe that I absolutely adore, shaping a grounded level take and a character that I think doesn't get as due. All of this is my jam. And then the show overperformed for me. This show had like a 10 expectation, landed at a 12. Like it did the impossible where it had to be pure gold for me to love it. And then it was better than I hoped. It does such masterful chess pieces, as you mentioned, with using characters' weaknesses as leverage,

and then doubling down and making those weaknesses their strengths, but then manipulating you into seeing how someone else could leverage that. It is such a masterclass in psychology in ways to use archetypal characters in more grounded ways, in building settings as important, in reinterpreting characters. Renzi Fulies plays Robin. It's genius. Like he literally is Robin to Penguins, like, leading Batman role in a long form show down to his origin. When they introduce him, that's one of the Robin's origins.

Like, it is such a cheeky way to go, hey, if you read comics, you're welcome. If you don't look at this Sopranos show. Yeah, Winston. I didn't even. He was trying to steal the ribs. It was a thousand percent on some Jason Toddish. Bro, that's crazy. Yeah, no, this show is fantastic.

And the only thing I was thinking to myself the whole time, the only show in my mind of this year, and there's been so many good shows, the only one that has kept pace with it is X-Men 97. And so then the only argument I can see somebody saying at that particular moment is being like, well, that's animated and then trying to write it off that way. But it's the only show that, like, true to the form of the universe that has been built from its previous IP, expanding on it to a level that we didn't think was necessarily possible. You didn't skip a beat whatsoever. And already telling a compelling story, especially from characters.

that we're not normally paying attention to in said IP with this much detail. There's just, I think all of that collectively just came together and made this a masterclass in one episode. Now, I don't want to just automate, in the same way that, like, we looked at, say, Agatha, and it was one episode that were like, eh, and then the second way we all kind of a university agree okay I'm here the same thing could technically be true or it's like this first one they maybe like you know shot the moon and then all of a sudden they could disappoint us on the back end I'm not expecting that to happen not with Matt reused executive producing not with Colin Farrell doing what he does but so far with what I've seen this will probably end up being

a tie if not surpassing X-Men 97 for show the year for me I want to interject and let you know comfortably. The second episode is as good as the first and the third I think is even better than the first two. I'm excited to hear that because I've heard really, really good things about the they send like they did send like the whole season to everybody and I was like I just want to watch it week to week. I only watched a little ahead because I was going out of town. So I stopped at three and then I want to go week to week so I can enjoy the conversation. But I was a little worried after the pilot was that strong that I would be disappointed and then I was so elated to find out those first three it is it is so inventive and it stays so clever and none of that ever the tension never dissipates the it it is that's why for me it's like a little bit above X-Men 97 is I loved X-Men 97 is I loved it we loved it we talked about it week to week but so far there isn't a single um uh life I love fuck life death uh moment where we're like at totally And I'm you know almost halfway through the show so the fact that it stays that tense. I do feel like there were occasionally weak moments in X-Men that I haven't found in Penguin yet. Yeah, it's really really good show and look at three though, right? Yeah, yeah, sorry. I was just going to say life death was four. So it's the spot it's going to happen. Winston, do you want to jump? I don't know if you want to jump in. I can't I can't barely even see I can barely I can't I can't see it. Let's see if this fixes. Yeah. Um, so. Um,

Yeah, so, and then let me find out, never mind. Well, Coy, I think that if you also look, the other thing that we can say when I go to Rotten Tomatoes right now, and we look at, so right now the penguin, or Agatha rather, is at 78 on the, now I haven't even looked yet, but I would assume that the audience score is probably down on it, but it would, but let's see,

the penguin is the other one. That's 89 with an 88, 89 and 88. And then Agatha had a 78 77. So it's consistent. And it's still a pretty decent scores on both of them. Yeah. So what do you think? I think that's fair.

I mean, but that's fair for me. I could see, you know, if your wife was one of the hosts or, you know, someone on Rotten tomatoes, that would be elevated. I do think there is a different demographic goal for Agatha. the that isn't someone that that reviews movies that isn't someone that lives online so in fairness to both properties the type of show that the penguin's going after demographically is more the type that's going to be writing reviews for rotten tomatoes so i imagine um you know if deftor has wives fans were more uh movie critic based there might be a higher score over there i think that i'm enjoying the penguin at a hundred percent and i think that agatha's lower for me but again we don't have your wife in this episode to discuss it so i I don't know, but I would rate them comparably, you know, that disparity seems fair to me. Yeah, I think so. I think this is going to be a very, very interesting.

I don't, what I don't think is going to happen. I mean, look, we've said this many times over, and this will continue to happen. There are going to be people on, for the Agatha side of it that love it and will fight to the death for it. I even saw somebody in the freaking comments because I said something about Ackleite, one like this, fiss up, because I didn't, because I didn't like it. and they loved it. You didn't understand it. It's like, fine. There are people that are like that. Then there's also the people that are just going to hate everything, no matter what. And you know that, and this is what I've always said with Agatha right away because they said there's a gay character. And in the first episode, and people saying this gayest show ever, I didn't see that in this episode.

I didn't see that. And it just happens that's the character's gay. So what? I definitely think Aubrey Plaza's character and Agatha's tension is pretty great. But I, also, that's my interpretation. But so what? It doesn't, it doesn't. Oh, yeah. Also, how is that a knock on the show? To me, that's great chemistry.

But the show, it doesn't, it's not just trying. To me, it doesn't seem agenda-based. It just seems to do the characters are. It doesn't seem agenda-based. And there is also this whole thing where you have the characters. You've got the characters. The chemistry is there. If people, like my wife, people that they're aiming towards it, people discover this show,

then who cares? The discourse, I don't think, will be what the discourse was for Accolade. I just don't think that that will be the case. I think even people that don't, okay, if people that don't enjoy the show don't enjoy it because they're acknowledging it isn't their tone, they won't be saying the quality isn't good. My issue with the Ackleite personally was I wasn't enjoying it and I found a lot of the choices poorly made. Like I found that moments were just badly handled. I don't think people that are going to be going into this calmly and well-roundedly and rationally will have.

that issue. So I agree. I think it's a difference of tone versus quality. I personally couldn't connect to the accolade and I found a lot of the choices to be objectively bad decision making for a story. Well, that that's the point is that for that show, I just thought the writing was terrible. And I thought the story choices and the characters were awful. This is more so of me. We're going, okay, I can appreciate this show. And I think the writing is pretty good. It's clever. It's funny. The performances are pretty good. It's just not necessarily aimed towards me. And if I, if I wasn't watching it if I wasn't covering it for work would I go out my way to watch it? Probably not unless my wife was like hey watch this with me. You know what I mean? No I totally agree.

This isn't something I would watch it on my own and that's okay because it's not a lack of quality. It's just I don't watch everything. Reality TV is not my thing. I don't knock it. It's just not my jam. Yeah. Coy before it was I were trying to get Winston back in here. So when we do just that that's you. So the beauty of live trying to get everybody back in here. But we have a lot going on. And as I mentioned to you earlier, we are, there he is. So we were also 35 right now, 35 questions for you guys. So that is pretty damn good thus far.

Winston, 35, you've been beaten Steph for this week. So Roka is in the, he's zooming, he's zooming towards him. And Roxy is also in the scopes. You know what? I also forgot to tell you guys, look what I got to do. Oh, you I gotta get you guys to magic mind. I will.

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is there is it i know core you're the most excited about craven but he's But I think we get Venom first, right? October. And then Craven not too far in December or whatever. But is there any world that they both are going to, I know you're going to love them because you're excited about them. But you're excited about them. You've been excited about them.

That Venom trailer is great. I don't know about that. Like the Venom 3, the most recent trailer, I dug it. It looks good. You think the Venom one looked good? Yeah. Is it going to be a good movie? No.

But is it going to be exactly what I want? Hell yeah, bro. Like I, I am of the minds. Look, if y'all think the Craven movie looks good, all right, then let me have this. All right. This is, this is what you felt about Black Adam, where you were just like, ah, it's just a popcorn. Throw it in your mouth. Like, just enjoy the craziness.

That's what I'm getting from this new Venom movie. Now what about, but do you think Craven could shock you? It's always possible. I'm not like, I, I, I, for the most part, I go into every single piece of media that comes up with just a blank brain because you never know what could happen. I don't know if you guys, this isn't necessarily comic book related. I don't know if you guys have been watching English teacher.

That is probably the funniest show on TV right now. It is hysterical. It is absolutely hysterical. And so, but I went in with this idea of like, I don't know, could this be an Abbott rip-off? I'm not sure and I found myself vastly enjoying it. So I could do that with Craven. I can walk into Craven and be like, I don't expect much from this and have my socks blown off.

But we just got wait and see. All right. Coy and Sam, do you think, but you're, which one, giving you one, you only get one,

Venom or Craven. What do you take? Quality or enjoyability. Don't know, no, one that you can see. You're only allowed to see one. Okay. Oh,

if I'm only allowed to see one. I got to stand on my boy Tom Hardy. Like, I love Tom Hardy, man. If I'm only going to see one, like, not only is it bringing us a null, I can't wait to do the cast as null. Null is such a like metal, intense villain. Tom Hardy loves playing this character, and it looks like he's having a blast. We've had this trilogy, and I'm invested in it.

I know that, you know, might be a poor choice of words for a lot of people, but I'm genuinely invested in it. So if I had to pick one, I do think Craven looks fantastic, but I've been vibing with Venom since I was a kid and Tom Hardy's on my favorite actors. I cannot deny that I think Eddie Brock is such a weird sense of humor. that Tom Hardy exactly. Tom Hardy is venom to me. And a lot of people don't see him that way, but like the way Michelini and McFarlane represented this character when he was written is exactly what Tom Hardy's doing. So I'm all in. And then you add no like me and Donnie Kate's, the guy that invented null along with Ryan Stegman, have been friends for like a decade. Like I've known Donnie almost as long as null's existed. And I'm so invested in Donnie and Ryan's character

because of them as humans that I'm, I don't know, I'm so connected to this movie in a crazy amount of ways yeah i would probably take craven um because i think that and i and i probably wouldn't have said that in the beginning of the year because i was calling him like craven the fart hunter at one point um but i i i think that that i liked that trailer i really liked that trailer i haven't really been on i'm a big tom hardy fan i just haven't been on board with the with the venom movies like at all really um and i've seen two of them already i get it you know what i mean like this This is like, okay, look, I just saw Transformers one last week or two weeks, whenever it was, and I thought that that trailer was abysmal.

I thought it was so bad. I thought it was going to be one of the worst Transformers movies ever, and I would probably say it might be the best Transformers movie ever. It was so good. And I love being proven wrong about movies that I think is going to stink. Ed, love Venom 3 to be the best out of it, but I also would love for craving for me to go and, Coy, in what world did I? I was going to have both Transformers one and Craven in my top five of the year.

That's what I want to say. Now, the chances of that, slim to none. But I still want to like feel like that's an optimistic point of view. I think the end of the year, it's going to be really interesting to look back because we kept feeling like a void of comic book stuff. I feel like we were talking about everything slowing down. We were talking about everything pivoting. We're watching Penguin and Agatha side by side as we lead up to Venom 3 and we round out the year with Craven. Like this year has been stacked

with this stuff. We've got Joker coming out in a week. Right. It is a, like it is a comic book. No, not a week. Two weeks. Two weeks. Two weeks. Sorry. October 4th feels like it's a week away. It's two weeks? Yeah, dude. Like, it is crazy on these comic book streets.

Yeah. That's now. And then two weeks after Joker is Venom. And then mere weeks after that, these shows wrap up leading up to Craven. Like, it's going to be interesting to look back at the year and realize how dense it was. It's true. It really is true. And I am, when Corey even says that, like all the stuff that's coming out, because I was thinking about it today, I was like, yeah, there has been, August was pretty much kind of dead. And now it's like moving, right? In September, it's going to start with these two shows, with the other movies we got coming out. Oscar season's going to be hitting right around the corner. So there's tons. There's tons of stuff. And I'm very curious of how it's going to shape up and what it's going to be. Because we did it. Let me do it last year, guys. we did the whole top five or whatever many were movies because let's say this year there was

what there was um how many movies are we have we've got venom craven um was deadpool oh madame web madame web five those six right what's the six let's do that again joker okay coming out let's do the ones haven't come out yet joker venom craven craving those are the three that i'm going Deadpool. Madame Webb. Is that five? Okay, so maybe that was it. Unless you want to throw Transformers in there.

That's not a comedy. And then show-wise, I mean, it's been insane. And we haven't even mentioned Creature Commandos, which is out in December. Right. So. There's been a lot of shows. It's been a lot of shows. Let's do one more story here, and then we'll get to the questions.

We've got 37. 37 questions. Pretty good. We got some good ones. We got a good question. Well, let's get to this. Story here because I'm curious what you guys think about it. Justice League director, Zach Snyder, reveals which of his comic book movies he's the proudest of.

I'm going to guess that it's 300. Oh, the crow. The crow? Oh, the crow. Right, crow movie is the other one that came out. Okay. Well, I was like, wait a minute. He didn't direct the crow.

Zach Snyder's the crow? Zach Snyder's comic book movies remain incredibly divisive among fans, particularly in the D.C. universe, but which of them is proudest of. the filmmaker answers just might end up surprising you. Dawn of the Dead, which is somewhat ironically written by DC Studios' boss James Gunn, was Zach Snyder's first feature, but 300 had doubtedly put him on the map as a filmmaker. The movie deemed unfilmable by some was a surprise hit and gave the future Justice League Helm with a chance to later tackle another tricky adaptation, Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons, Watchman.

The likes of Terry Gilliam and Darren Aronovsky had tried and failed to do something with the property, and Snyder's Watchman, which was strikingly comic accurate, side of the giant squid's absence was released to mixed, albeit mostly positive reviews in 2009. Unfortunately, it just grossed 185 million on the then sizable 120. The movie hasn't quite managed to achieve cult classic status in the year since, but Watchman still has its fair share of fans. Talking to Comicbook.com about Netflix's Twilight of the God, Snyder was asked which of his comic book movies is he proud of and singled out Watchman as a clear favorite.

Well, weirdly, I kind of look at it two ways. Like one, I think, of course, Man of Steel, BVS, Justice, League is its own thing. I don't know necessarily whether it's a comic book movie in the classic sense for me, but I can understand how people would say that because those are the comic book characters and whatever, but that's just based on ideas that I had about comic book characters. I would have to say Watchman, probably

for me, just like the process of adaptation from comic book to movie design, all the things as we went from comic books to movie. I think Watchman is like the cleanest and then kind of most satisfying transition to adaptive material. HBO's Watchman sequel was a critically acclaimed hit, but a recent animated version of the

story appears to have come and gone with little from the fans of the original graphic novel. All right, it's funny because when I saw this article this morning, when I looked, I said, oh, he's going to pick Watchman. And then as I'm reading through, I'm like, oh, I forgot about 300. He's going to say 300. So it stuck with my original thought. Makes sense because that was, if you look at that movie,

minus again the squid, it's about as clear and true and pretty much ripped from the page and put right on to it from the way that he filmed. I thought it was a really solid job by him. And I don't know. I don't think we've ever really spoken about that movie on this show, guys. So Winston, what were your over thoughts on that movie and your thoughts on what Snyder says here? Yeah, I would say that that's probably my favorite Snyder superhero film is

Watchman. I think, again, I agree not having the squid definitely changes stuff a little bit, but not in my mind as majorly. But I think you really nailed the tone of the characters, which is not something I can say about Zach Snyder always with comic book adaptations. But all that being said, man, I think that he kind of hit the nail on the head with that. It was the first time really, because did that come out before 300? It did, right? What? Watchman.

No, that was watching. It was after. That was 2000, I think 2005 or 2006 was 300. Okay. Well, either way, I wasn't at that point yet where I was like, man, this man uses a lot of slow motion quite yet and it it worked let alone some of the quotables um i i i don't remember the whole in the in the graphic novel about like i'm not locked in here with you you're locked in here with me it's possible that that was in there and i just forgetting but i'll never forget

that line and then rorschach just effing everybody up i i just i really feel like he hit the nail on the head which is why initially when he was like he's taken over dc and going with that i was like it just wasn't my vibe personally. Still enjoyed them at times, but it just wasn't how I, again, we've talked about it, see Superman, don't love how we kind of dealt or didn't deal with Robin. There's just like a lot kind of going on.

That's not what we're here about. Watchman would definitely be my favorite Snyder comic book adaptation. Yeah, I would probably take, for my favorite, I would still probably take 300, but I still think that when you look at the, what he did, with watchman i think it's the most true to the actual source but koi i don't know where do you stand on all this i think watchman is unfilvable and he did it somehow and then the show somehow did it

um i think watchman is one of those properties that is genius in it's being a deconstructionist um concept and i think that's what he wanted to do and what he considered um his superman and batman but since we didn't have a superman and batman in pop culture at that point really uh it was hard to do a commentary on something that didn't really exist. We hadn't had a Superman movie in so long. And Batman, the Nolan films were so different that when you start to do a deconstructionist take on those characters and it just feels like a dishonest to the characters, whereas Watchman is deconstructionist in its nature, so it felt more true to what Zach Snyder wanted to build. I think Watchman is a better match for Zach Snyder in the same way. Like, I would love to see a David Fincher Batman movie

because he'd be a detective, but I wouldn't necessarily You already saw one. Yeah, I loved it. It's my favorite Batman movie. But I wouldn't necessarily want to see a David Fincher Superman movie because I think that his tonality doesn't match the altruistic aspirational nature of Superman. So when you've got a deconstructionist director

that doesn't really well, put him on a story that suits that like Watchman, and I think that in 300 are so true to what he wanted to make and of the story, those are my two favorites. And Watchman is comfortably one of the best adaptations. You know, Coy, this is going to be completely random, but you know who I would actually love to see do like a Robbins. Paul Jim. I mean,

kind of like show. No, no, but like essentially what Gotham Knights did the game as far as having Red Hood, Nightwing, you know, Tim Drake, Robin, and then Barbara is to do that, have Donald Glover do a Robbins show or like, and something like that. I feel like you get kind of that Atlanta slash community. tone to it that would be hysterical and probably really good dude i would i would pay such good money to see five robins sitting on a couch talking about their horrible relationship with bruce like i would i get

the atlanta the hell out of out of some robin dude real talk you you and then zazi essentially is bat girl 100% and so you did you have the you have the five of them just chilling like uh what damien's in there too obviously and it's just nonsense damien plays the the the the one dude in season two that came out of prison and like was punching people and steal stuff out the store where he's just completely unruly. And dude, Lekeith would kill as an unhinged Jason Todd. Like LeCheath under that red hood. Yeah. Well, that sounded like a whole bunch of language I didn't understand.

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We'll see. We'll see. But the first one, mild-mannered comic nerd. Coy, happy belated birthday. And congrats on being engaged. Tiger, you just hit the jackpot. That's what they say. Okay, there you go.

Thanks, man. I recognize that name. We've talked on the internets, and I appreciate just kind words. Thank you so much. It was a great birthday. I ended up on the East Coast. It was wonderful.

Well, he followed it up. And he said, if you could have any team up, this is for all of us. If you could have any team up from comics and TV shows, who would you team up? I'd love to see Nightwing

and Spider-Man wearing the black suit. Then I would want to see Tony Soprano and Jackie Estacado. I'd want to see Tony Soprano and Walter White. that's what I was going to say. If you're going to go that route, I thought we were talking comic books. If we're talking from comics, characters.

Yeah. And yeah, you got to go, you got to go either Walter White and Tony Soprano. You could go maybe like, it could actually be really interesting to see like Gus Fring. And honestly, this version of Penguin, I feel like that would actually be a really interesting, like, just headbutting, to be honest with you. It would be really good. I'm going to go Troy and Abed and Spider-Man. I want to see if we're going more violent, I would love to see the George St. Pierre take on Batrock the Leaper and the cast of Kingdom and some M.A violence with Frank Rillo and Jonathan

Tucker. I want to see like hand-to-hand combat shot well. Actually, all those are Russo brothers. Put the Russo brothers in charge by TV comics. You know what? Hito from Heroes and Troy and Abed. especially them all of a sudden being like oh my god hobbit he can travel through time like i just i feel like that would just that would be amazing it's a good one that would be amazing it's a good one um spawn and batman

running around the joint together too would be interesting yes um mild manner comic nerd uh christian winston kori do you think juveniles back that ass up should be scientifically studied sure absolutely it has magical it's the it's the first instance of true magic we've seen on this planet so we have thousand percent should you play that song every ass within a one mile radius starts shaking so you you definitely should study it it is almost like a summoning spell for booty like it just causes magic coy that is my witch's coven song is you go back that ass up and all of a sudden witch's road opens bro that's right he's juvie the great man there's no one like he follows it up with gentlemen who wins in a fight thor or cratos my man he's on crados because he goes for the head yeah i think he's i think

Kratos is more of that kind of killer instinct. I think Thor from Norse mythology wins, but I think Thor from Marvel mythology loses. So like Kratos takes out what I would actually say a flip. Really? Really? Because because Kratos, the way he massacres the Greek gods and obviously in his games and stuff like that,

that's why I think just from the nature of Thor having what taken on, like the whole idea of him fighting old man Logan with the Phoenix force, and the thousand years battle and there was another point in which he fought doom that had like sorcerer supreme powers and all that kind of stuff and also took on the feet of like thor thor in marvel comics always goes the distance like almost always and if he dies comes back and beats the crap out of tony stark cloning it like i think he could be cratos the marvel iteration but i think the north one would die interesting okay let's see and then email nikolov thank email matt reeves and co-company have got the special sauce the first episode of the penguin was amazing Colin Farrell and Christine Kristen Melody was was next love she was just perfect she reminded me a Lydia from Breaking Bad

they're coming for those Emmys I think that that is accurate and I look I get it's a comic book show I get it and I know that there it's it's always hard to to you know get critical acclamation from that stuff but I will I will say this I think that from even watching the first ten minutes that, how you don't, Colin Farrell's unrecognizable in the role, not just because of the makeup. I think Colin Farrell

does two things, and these both sound hyperbolic, but I think adding the penguin elements to this character make it even more impressive because he's playing like an incredible henchman becoming mafioso, he's trying to be like, you know, this powerful thing, but he's adding like the shuffle and then the neck twitches like all that stuff

to make it comicky. That elevates it to me because it's more of a challenge to appease the comic book sensibility while being naturalized but the other thing i'm going to say which i've never said before this is the first ever acting performance i would even put in the same category not saying it's it's better than but in the same conversation with heat ludgers joker i've i've never felt like i saw performance where a character was in front of my eyes and the actor wasn't well i love i don't disagree with that those things but like good god i don't disagree with that he's that he just disappears i mean from the and even the accent that he's

doing like it's it's like it's not he's not trying to be an authentic kind of new york he's taken like a new york meets old time gangster and it's like and it's and even his mom has that that thing you know it's like there's a there's a whole the way that they speak it's like you know old time like he almost says like time it's and things like that or uh i can't remember the actual words that he's saying but there's certain things that he says and i was just like it's so it's man i know there's also there's also the thing with his eyes like i feel like when you you get in a performance, you can still sometimes see the soul of the actor in their eyes. Like you can see somewhere underneath stuff you connect to Colin Farrell.

But here it's like Heath Ledger where when you see the Joker's eyes, that's not Heath. And to me, there's this incredible like middle distance stare where it looks like Oz is seeing the world differently in real time. And that's not how Colin sees the world. Like I even feel like his soul is different in a way through that lens of the eyes that I've never seen since Heath. And to be honest with you. that might be that we had a conversation last week,

Coy, about how Colin says he's done. Like there's no way he's, you know, you might get it. Was it potentially? He said, no, no, he, well, he didn't, he didn't say that he was done. He just said at the, what he said was he, he, when they said, you coming back, he's like, I don't know. There were times when I was just like, I don't know if I can do this anymore. He didn't officially say he was done.

Fair. But he had, he had alluded to the fact that sitting in the chair and everything that went into this was, he may be done with it, right? that kind of acting work and not even necessarily from the idea of full ongoing a full sociopath, but to get that lost in another character, I know you know this court because you have acted as well.

That will drain the life out of you. It takes a lot of energy to fully shift your perspective like that and to see what he has produced. I would not be surprised if he genuinely was like, it's not just the makeup chair. This is sucking the life out of me It could be It's a dark, it's a dark show

Ian Davis Love to get the capes and Cal's take on this movie Assassin Duel, who wins John Wick, Jason Bourne or James Bond John Wick John Wick is a superhero now You can throw them off a demo

Yeah, John Wick's immortal I don't know if the other two are Now you went John Wick movie one and then Jason Bourne or James Bond That's a tougher one After John Wick 4 He's a superhero I okay

I gotta go I gotta go with Bond bro I have to I strongly disagree I understand but you gotta remember Bond been doing this forever the gadgets he's also survived things that make no sense like I

I get what you're saying for sure I don't think Bourne is really in the conversation if we're being honest between the three of them but I feel like Bonn has the side WIC is more ruthless. I think born's more ruthless than Bond. I think born is a person. Wick is a myth.

And I think Bond is an identity someone takes up and then is killed. I've always liked the idea that James Bond was a title, not actually a name. And therefore, you know, the reason you got recasting is because someone embodies 007. It's not a man. So I think Wic is a myth. The only one of these that's human is born. Yeah, I would say death battle. I would actually say death battle, not just a fight.

A death battle, I'm going. And that's kind of where I'm cheating. I'm sure y'all have heard of the channel death battle. And they did one of this. And they broke down some of the reasons why, like, it would be close. But Bonn has the edge. I'm going. I'm going.

I'll be in the opposite corner. I'm going Wick-born Bond. Damn. Yeah. He'd start in the middle of the fight, he'd start seeing a woman walking down the street and he'd leave to try to go pick her up. No, no, no, no. So Miguel Zane. Hey, y'all.

Want to ask the comic book people where to start with the JSA and the JLA in terms of stories or comics. And do you think Gunn will include in the DCU? I defer to this week in comics. I think Justice League's about to get a very, very, very, very approachable relaunch. So the Justice League and the comics hasn't been a team for the last couple of years because they've made Teen Titans kind of their forefront. So if you want to get into Justice League, now is actually a great time because it's about to reform in the next three months. Like it's actually leading towards the Justice League.

So that would probably be the most approachable. I would say if you want to go read the new 52 Justice League, that's probably the most recent and the more approachable. Because if you go back to the 60s and 70s, as a comic fan, I love that stuff. But it's old language. It's very dated and style. That might turn you off. But recently the Justice Society of America had a relaunch with Michael Janin on art. And it's really some of the most beautiful stuff you'll see in comics.

It's about two years old, 2002, I believe that reliance started. It's called Justice Society of America. It's only about 11 issues in. So Justice Society, go back to the Michael Janin Art. Justice League, either new 52 or wait a couple months for this relaunch where you're going to get there. And Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are all getting a relaunch in this absolute imprint over at D.C. where they're getting brand new number ones like Marvel had for their ultimate stuff. So you can jump on that team over there with new number one starting in late October.

So now's a great time to be looking at all that. That's exactly what I was going to say. All right. So, the next, Ian Davis, another dumb question for me. Who wins? Lou Ferrigno, Hulk versus Eric Bono Hulk versus Mark Ruffalo Hulk. I think that if, again, question of which one? I think Mark Ruffalo's Avengers won. That one, that one wins.

If you go, if you go Mark Ruffalo, like, Age of Ultron, Thor Ragnarok Hulk, and I think he's taking that. If you're saying, Professor Hulk, yeah, that's what I mean. I don't know about all that. But, yeah, that would be my... I think Ed Norton Hulk smoke small. Oh, yeah, that wasn't included.

It wasn't included. I agree. Between the two. Well, that's a version of him. It's just, you know... Technically. But I would say, Ruffalo, pre... Yeah, basically what Winston said.

I think Ragnarok, Agent Ultron and Avengers, smokes them, but anything else, it's going Frigna. Agreed. For Igno, interesting. I guess Bono, we forget sometimes... I mean, Bono, like, is... You can calm... him in memory like Bono was able to be nourished and whereas the other one seemed like actual

monsters. Wicked art. I'm driving from Georgia to indeed to celebrate my grandma's 90th birthday. Congratulations to her and have a great time and a wonderful time and he follows it up. Will they ever show the X-Men with all their powers like storm choking people out by changing the air pressure or Wolverine being more than a guy with claws but can speak seven languages and being a martial artist of several styles? I feel like they will do that because I feel like Kevin Feigy knows a lot about the X-Men and loves them. I feel like they might do that. What do you think, Coy?

I think the X-Men are going to be, I've always thought the X-Men are so much cooler than the Avengers. I like the Avengers, but the X-Men are like, I think people think the Avengers are the coolest because they didn't have the rights to the X-Men. Now that the X-Men are back, it's going to be a Zite Guy shift. But Kevin Feigey is a tried and true X-Men fan. I think they'll be escalation because there will have to be. I think as long as audiences keep showing up, we'll get to that point. but you shouldn't introduce Storm that way because you need to have a place to go.

You shouldn't introduce too complicated version of anything. So if we get, you know, X-Men 6, which I think we deserve, we'll get there. But people have to show up in order for the character to get to that level of their evolution. Like Omega-level mutants aren't bought, well, they are technically born that way, but they develop into that skill set.

I also could see a situation that, like, again, you don't want to, you don't want to dive right into it. I don't think you see the storm choking people out via air pressure until maybe a second X-Men film, and it's because she's, you know, her claustophobia, she's trapped in like a small space and loses control just because she's lashing out to try and get, you know what I'm saying? And then all of a sudden everybody's like, excuse me, my bad. But you know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like that.

It's like it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. I got a little excitable. What could I say? But I I don't think, yes, I agree with Koi. You cannot show them at full power, full power doing things out of the gate because you then have nowhere to go. No, I agree. You held off on Mielnier cap and the word. Yeah, you got to wait. For a reason. You got to wait.

I agree. Heroic hideaway. I saw Transformers last night, and I loved it. Oh, it's so wonderful. Have you guys seen it yet? No, I'm so excited. By the man, tonight, the misses is off on a girl's trip, so I'm going to go catch up on some movies. Text me after you see it, man, because I'm really curious.

It's really, I don't say it a lot, but it's wonderful. It is. Matt Sinister McCall, on the count of three, screamed Jeff Snyder's name. No. I love you. It will summon him. about it's true i'll do jeff schneider the booker t version deadly one ace awoken saw transformers one last night amazing yeah people are digging i'm so glad that that that that's a movie that i think

is going to do so much better because of word amount dude did you see the nflars one commercial no it's amazing so what they did is they took uh that you see like it's like action figure like stop motion playing a football game and all of a sudden there's two megatrons and it's someone goes, you can't have two Megatrons, and then it's Calvin Johnson who had the nickname Megatron. And then who plays him in, and is it, Brian Chirley Henry? Oh, that's so good. They're like, they're like, hey, man, like, look, I know you were Megatron. I'm Megatron now.

And then Scarlet comes in as her character. Like, it's a really fun commercial. That's cool. That's cool. Yeah, it's a great movie. So go check it out. All right, with two away from 40, guys. Two away. Let's go.

one says how good was the penguin great beginning fantastic beginning i'm so locked in i can't wait there's only one episode up right now which i love and it'll be up next week will be episode two so people can watch it week to week to week that movie that show did not need to put two out right away to get people locked in it was it was smart it was very smart uh kick it to the king productions great name can you say whether sony marvel films going forward post craven will only see the light of the day per the approval of Kevin Faggy. That's more important. Well, the question is this. Inside of the Spider universe, I don't know if he has that power. I think it's more so about being able to control where Spider-Man lives in the MCU and how much they can use him. That's the basis of that

deal more so than having his hands involved in the other Sony stuff because that's not the deal. and he doesn't and and sony also wouldn't want him to get involved in that because that's not there's too much but i don't know you guys disagree with that no i i think that's i think that's kind of where it's at it's just the idea that he doesn't control sony you might you might get him being like but we would never hear about it being like hey maybe don't do this because of that but i don't think he's going to have that pull he's not in their studio and they're they unfortunately are still on loan, they're getting Spider-Man and whatnot on loan because the right we're sold.

So it is what it is. I think it's interesting. We've heard things like Spider-Man 29-9 was supposed to be like in some stuff, but Sony said no. I think that's the stuff that's going to change. I think Sony's going to want more play than less. But I don't know if they could even legally have Kevin Feigey running that level of things at Sony without him being like actually at the company.

I could see there being a stronger restriction on the in association with Marvel Studios banner where obviously anything that's using Marvel characters will have that. But the average person when they see a Marvel in red, it doesn't matter that it says in association. They go, it's a Marvel movie. I could see Kevin Faggy wanting more of a conversation because of that, but I don't know what that would look like in a contract. That's good point.

Dart Vader's burnt asshole might be a hot take, but I'm glad Sony kept Spider-Man from Disney. I like that they're sharing for sure, but if it was owned by Disney, we would never gotten Spider-Verse. the Sonyverse ain't great, but I'm glad it exists. It's a fair point. Fair points. We don't necessarily know if it wouldn't exist.

You never know the kind of deals they would have made. Maybe Lord Miller came in because those guys are big Spider-Man fans, so they could have come in, pitched it, and said, look, we want to do this, and you might have gotten it over there. But I don't know. I got a Star Wars reference. Yeah, go ahead.

I don't think that would have happened because the way they got treated on solo. I think Disney burned that bridge pretty heavy. So I think he's right. I think. But Disney, but Disney, But Disney, but that's different because it wasn't, the question is this, from what we hear, because we don't really know the behind the scenes there. What we, what I heard is that it was mostly a clash between them and Lucasville and not Disney. So if it was the, but you're not wrong.

If it was more of a Disney thing, then they're like, well, I don't want to be involved that. But from what I heard, it's not them not working with Disney again. It's and they won't ever work with Lucasfilm again. That's, that's what the rumors are. I mean, we wouldn't have gotten it, just in the sense that you got to remember, even if, even if, if some of the key players are the same, if you don't have the same scenario, if you don't have all the variables lining up,

you don't get the answer to your equation. You might get a variant of it. That's the whole point of the multiversal saga is that if we have all of these things that are similar, then we got something that looks the same, but it's not the same. But I don't necessarily think, especially knowing that we've seen how Disney has kind of

done this weird spiral, and now they're just kind of like coming out of the concussion protocol, that, you know, that's what we are now. We wouldn't have gotten Spider-Vers the way that it is, but we may have seen the project similar. True. Next question, Armada.

What's Richard's thoughts on long legs? Oh, listen, I've got to be honest with you. It was, you know, what to expect. I mean, Christian didn't even know that it was Nicholas Cage for like a full hour. I thought it was Mickey Rock at one point. He thought it was Jean Voight. I was just hoping he wouldn't come out and bite me on the balls.

Oh, thanks, Richard. Appreciate that. All right. Next one. Rory, great show, all of loving the new layout. Thanks man. I appreciate it. It's been, I appreciate all the support, and you guys have been in here every day asking great questions and closing out the show with some really solid stuff. So thank you very much. Mike Joyce, one of the people who's always in here. Every day we see something from Mike Joyce. We got venom fish and venom horse in Venom 3. If you can pick one animal for the Venom symbiote to bond with, what would it be?

An eagle. Mm. like try to do an eagle scream and it just comes out it's like I don't know just that by itself both sounds terrifying and hilarious say a swan oh they're so violent uh I'm gonna go the opposite I want to see a conflicted peace loving venom capy borrow all right because capy borrowes love everything I want to see a symbiot try to make a capyvara violent because they're just such a vibe call you crazy you so different yeah we're different undead sick 83 a piece of the black simbient left behind in the MCU reality kingpin running for mayor Peter meeting Matt Murdoch his friends forgetting he's spidey etc. Spider-Man 4 I hope back in black question mark I really really hope that they do stuff where it's I mean it does look like they're gonna rely on a lot on the venom stuff but taking off of our main

story here right that is a way and from that previous question there was just asked about how Fikey gets involved in the Sony stuff well if you put Tom Hardy, the rumor was Tom Hardy is going to be involved in the next Spider-Man 4 movie potentially, right? If you put those two and now Figey's involved with it, and now that's a way to get Sony's Venom with Marvel's Tom Holland, that could be interesting to see. I still wish it was street level, but to see it all kind of get connected to let, I don't know. The only thing I will say about that, because like it, yes, that would breathe the

of your bringing in a venom from another universe. But Venom as even part of the Rokes Gallery, even though it being an alien symbiates, still feels street level at times just based off of the things that Venom is doing. Like, it really could be Venom terrorizing New York City, and I'm not going to get the implications of Spider-Man having to help fight Thanos.

Or, you know, oh, the, you know, the scrolls are here, and, you know, he's having to figure out which one is a script. Like, it still would feel a little more grounded just knowing that that's like one of his main arch rivals. But I understand. You're still implying there were universe jumping and blah, blah, blah, but anyway. Yeah. I can also say, I mean, everything would be worth it if we see the post-credit scene of Venom 3

be the white spider forming on his chest. Like that would be lose our minds. No, no, just the white spider of venom. Oh, for Spider-Man. I thought you were talking about Eddie turning into anti-Venomen. Oh, no, no, I'm saying like we haven't seen Eddie with the white spider yet. Like that would be an insane setup of like, right? We literally haven't seen that.

So that'd be an insane setup for Spider-Man 4. We'll see. Did I just unlock what the last dance? Do you think he's going to turn into anti-venom? I think that could be the not visually, but I think that it's going to be Spider-Man and Venom teaming up to fight null in Spider-Man 4 potentially. All right. Well, we'll find out very, very soon because the movie's coming out.

I mean, it's going to be out with a blink of the eyes. Let's see. next one buck teeth bandit reeves said that the script for batman part two is done which makes sense when you consider that all this stuff is coming out now too they're pushing for windows the batman two supposed to come out 2026 is that is that what they're saying yeah they're starts to start shooting early 2025 but right now the trickiness is it was supposed to be quarter one 2025 but gregg fraser suiting dune three next year and gregg fraser is a huge part of the visual language are you sure because i i i don't think that they announced that they're definitely

shooting it yet. That's what I thought. I thought the conflict was Greg Frazier. So I'm not, I'm not sure, but I thought he was booked on on two things. Because when De Nevooom was talking about Dune 3, he said, this is the idea. And they said there's a project that he's got working on. People have assumed that it was June 3. We'll, we'll see. We'll see. Dennis Hoffman. I love Kate Stegman's Venom run. Excited to see Null in Venom 3. Think Hardy continues as Venom in past the last dance. Kate Stegman. So I was talking about Donnie Cates and Ryan segment the homies. I love those guys. I think that we don't

see a Venom 4, but I think we see Venom potentially in Spider-Man 4 and Secret Ors, but I don't think we see more Venoms. Yeah. I think we're looking at it the same way you looked at, you know, say, Iron Man. Once Iron Man 3 happened, you didn't get another Iron Man movie, but Tony was everywhere. I could totally see if Tom Hardy

really still enjoys playing this character and everybody feels comfortable with him moving forward that you see him everywhere, but he wouldn't have any more solo films. All right. This is Matt Sinister McCalla. As a kid, I always had a crush on X-Men Mystique. It would suck, though, if I was hooking up with her, and she turned into an old Al Pacino suddenly.

She'd probably do it just to mess with you. I mean, the Lord knows every time she almost hooked up with Logan, she would just start flipping. She just feel like, is what you really want, or do you want this? Like, he probably would get an Al Pacino. Hey, wait a minute, that doesn't go there. Oh, okay. That's done Guccino.

That'd be special. Hilarious. Awkward silence. If you guys could choose one comic book storyline to use for the next phase three MCU saga, which storyline would you choose? Coy, Winston? Coy, what do you got? Phase five? No, if you could use for the next three phases of MCU saga, which story lines? Oh, okay, so just a huge overarching story going forward. Yeah, yeah. I think that they should either fix secret invasion by actually telling a cosmic story with secret invasion, but the show kind of ruined that potential. I think secret wars could be a giant overarching story, but I feel like they're going to rush toward for doom. So, I mean, it seems like Nova's coming.

So maybe some of the cosmic stuff of that. Winston, what do you got? I'm brainstorming. I would probably do a blend of Civil War II and Avengers. versus X-Men. I think like you have the one element where you're showing the X-Men, you have another element where you're rebuilding the Avengers and then just that whole

kind of storyline of because what the kid in Avengers versus in Civil War II was an inhuman if I remember correctly. Yeah, you just switch that. Yeah, and then on the flip side for Avengers versus X-Men, you have the idea that the Phoenix Force is coming back. They want to give it to Hope

Summer so she can potentially save mutants. So I think that would give you room to do House of M. That would give you room. like you don't need to go into the inhumans, but you can maybe have it just as a mutant. That's a whole thing. And then that's where that fight and conflict comes in. And then ultimately,

I don't know what big bad you would plug in at the end to kind of shift it and be like, okay, we need to put our crap aside. Yep. But even if it ended up being Cyclops, I mean, because that's the ultimate big bet at the end of Avengers or X-Men,

I feel like that would be cool too. All right. Well, thank you for that one. I was thinking too much of what we've already planted seeds of. I like Winston's better. That one. Okay. All right.

Let's see. Next one. And this is from, Mr. I. Crappie Schitts. Hey, guys, I just want to say hi, Christian and Coy. I've been a fan since the Collider days. No one can fill Schnapp shoes, but Corey did a great job.

And Winston, you're effing awesome. There you go. Thank you, Mr. K. Schittz. That was very nice. Matt Sinichita McCullough. Favorite Funko Pop? Also, the Irishman sucks, Coy. Hey, no, it doesn't. It doesn't. It's not.

All right. Favorite Funko Pop? I've got a carnage that I love dearly. I've also got to goose the cat that look like spidey. And Funko made me a custom coy pool for doing their panel at a San Diego Comic Con. So that I hold dearly. Awesome. I'm coy. I'm special. Yeah, for real. Come on, bragger. Afik Offman, here's some love and all the way from Malaysia. Thank you, Afik. That's very kind of you. To which Mr. I comes back in and says, sorry, Christian. But here we go, Brownies, here we go. Wolf Wolf beat the Giants. Right now, the Giants and the Noles, I feel like my

six-year-old could beat them by herself. But I'm there for him. We'll see what happens. Bad, bad, it's bad. Albert Gloaki, mayor of Easttown, by the way. Yeah, I know. I was kept saying mayor of Eastwick. But you know where I went there.

Which is of Eastwick, mayor of East Town. I get it. I got there. Penguin was awesome. It sure was. It really was great. And then Chris Jones. Did you guys watch The Terminator Zero anime?

You know, everybody tells me how great it was, and I still haven't had it. I still haven't checked. it out yet. Did you guys see it yet? I haven't. I need to, like I said, if I'm the one that's going to say I go in with a blink, mine, I just have been so turned off by Terminator stuff for years

now that I'm scared to do that, but I should give it a shot. Did you try Arcane yet? Okay, I saw the first episode. It's great, right? It slaps. I told you. I told you. I'm going to have to go through it and get through the first season. I might do like a season. Corey, did you watch Arcane yet? I haven't seen Arcane or Terminator, but I have

a pitch for Winston. It's direct. Winston, do you remember how much you love the Perfect Circle comic book? Yeah. That is the same writer as the Terminator series, Matt's and Tomlin. He's incredible. Yeah. Go watch Terminator to you specifically. You love Matt and Tony.

And I know you're not a big animation guy, Coy, but Arcane is, it's next level. You're not an animation guy. I just don't connect to the characters as much as live action. I'm not against it. I just don't connect. I think I read comics for a living. I connect to me directing the panels. It's, I'm the director.

Yeah, I'm telling you, dude, watch, watch. the first, like I told Winston, watch the first episode of Arcane, because the second season comes out soon. It's really great. Jacob Pinchin, since getting into comics, I'm less reliant on movies, TV, for superhero stories. A certain online cult would be a lot happier

if they actually read one. I mean, it's, look, it's a great, it's, there's so many people that, there's so many comics I'd love to get into. I mean, there are ones that I just remember. The one that I never couldn't put down, and I think it was just too bad that the series didn't work out, is why the last man was just so,

Brilliant. That was the one that stood out, and I was hoping, couldn't wait. And then that series came out and I was like, dang. Yeah, Brian K. Vaughn's a genius fan. If you like that book, you can pick up any of his stuff and dive in. Really, really good. Nerdy Mastermind, James Gunn confirmed that this was the first DC Studios production they had a hand in and gave notes on. If Penguin is the kind of quality, we can expect from DC Undergun, they're going to dominate. Well, I don't think that's necessarily fair, though.

because Matt Reeves was also, you know, cooking in the kitchen before they were there and it looked very similar. Not to say that, look, maybe how, why wouldn't it help to have creative minds like that to say, hey, guys, what do you think of this? And then they say, but like, but let's not give them all the credit for, I'm not saying that he is, but let's not give them credit for this one just yet. But if they understand that this is, you know, the type of stuff they should be making, what James Gunn, I feel is here's a, here's a, And again, get ready for some of those comments to say, oh, there we go, let's talk about this series. And says, oh, wow, people are really responding to this. Let's make a few more in the actual DCU with this kind of tone.

Let's do this. As opposed to, and or really worked. Should we do a third season? No. Why? Because it doesn't fit George Lucas's philosophy. So that's the kind of stuff that I'm talking about. So it's like, but I think James Gunn will say that works.

Okay, next one. This is C-Black. I thought the new rumor was a Spider-Man 4 would take place on Battleworld. What the hell is that? What is that? It's the world that Dr. Doom kind of runs as a world between worlds for secret wars. So it's like imagine an entire planet of chaos and violence. And the idea was Spider-Man's multiversal movies that might take place there

because it's set to come out right between Doom's Day and Secret Wars. so canonically, Doom running a world between worlds would fit in that storyline, but I really hope they don't throw away a Spider-Man movie to just do that. But I also thought, Coy, correct me if I'm wrong here, I thought that the Beyonder is the one that made Battleworld and then Doom usurps him because he's like, I'm not going to be your pawn, but I won't be the game. Yeah, yeah. So, but I just don't know if they're bringing in Beyonder.

That's the only reason I didn't mention them because I don't think the MCU, I mean, I want them to. I mean, I want them to. All right, so this is Jacob, Jacob Pinchin. Coy, please help me out with current 616 continuity. Is Venom War and Tasum, both 616? That's amazing Spider-Man, I assume. Was great bumping into you at San Diego Comic-Con right before the drone show.

This is a great question. I also love Christian, like the 616 universe being. I never even thought of it as 616. But yeah, that Christian, that's like the main continuity in comic books is 616. So he's asking if Venom War, which is the big summer event that's wrapping up, or kind of like midway, third fall event with Venom is tying into Amazing Spider-Man. I honestly don't think that the Tasum team is even talking to the Venom War team. That seemed like its own thing for a while.

They're getting off of that current continuity of Tasms, so I could actually see Venom War tying more into where Spider-Man's going in the future. They're all technically 6-16 because the events of Venom War spin out of the stuff that was happening with Al Ewing's Venom Run and the Carnage stuff. so technically it all is connected, but I would look more towards the future of Spider-Man than the past or present. Well said.

This is the next one. Ralphie King. What do you think of the absolute comic designs? Oh, I love them. Winston, are you reading the absolute, or are you planning to read the absolute stuff that dropped soon from DC? I plan to, yeah. I haven't, because right now I'm just finishing up all the kind of fail-safe,

Zer and Nar-Bat-Man-type stuff that's going on, and then that is leading into is the absolute's not the one that's going on with the waller is teamed up with like fail safe and everything else is it no that's a confusing it's that's absolute power which is far too similarly named that's that's why i was confused okay that is where i'm at right now but but please refresh me on absolute then absolute is basically their ultimate universe so they're going to be restarting with new number one so batman is this beastly frank miller looking design with the giant like squared out so it's it's a new number one jumping on point for anyone that's never read a comic new continuity, new origins, do everything. Anytime you take a swing that wild, I'm always going to jump in. So I'm excited, but a lot of people don't love the designs. I think it's a cool swing. We'll see how it works.

Okay. Next one is Matt Sinister McAll. How does Fantastic Four Thing use his thing? I think the answer is he doesn't. That's why he's all pissed off all the time. I would be really mad. I would be really mad. Can't use it.

Yeah. This question was asked in Mulrats years ago, and Stan Lee didn't even have the answer. Perfect. Jacob Pinchin. Coy, do you like to do? new Power Girl run and the name change? It works for me. I don't love it. I think it's a fun run. It doesn't usually make my top nine, but it's definitely

I look forward to it when it pops up as a very like easy read. It's a fun, simple read. I really like comics when they actually have an elements of romance that feels natural, so I like it for that. But the name change hasn't really affected me because I was never as attached to Power Girl as many characters. So it's kind of just, it's nice to be a civilian on that book and be like, oh cool. Emil, Nicola. rumor is that Sean Durkin, who did the Iron Claw,

is directing multiple episodes of the lanterns. The team Gunn is assembling for that show is incredible. Now, this is what I will say, as I've been giving credit to Gunn for this, if you look at the stuff that he is putting together and looking at the directors and the writers, whether you look at the stuff he's doing for lanterns in general, I mean, lanterns, he might as well be putting together

stuff that's going to win Emmys for the next 40 years. You know, once like that the team he's got together here is incredible. I mean, and trying to get like a big, one big star. Is there any movement, either one of you guys heard about any new movement on, on the potential Hal Jordan? I think it was no movement since the rumors, but I think John Stewart's been cast. You think John Stewart's been. Who do you think it is?

I don't think we have a name, but I think that two, three days ago randomly, James gone posted without a caption, a picture of John Stewart on his wall. I think that was, I think James Gunn uses social media as like Facebook memories, like I do, where it's like, I'm a post this thing, so I remember the context. Facebook memories. I dead ass think that he just posted that to be like, what day did we cast, blah, blah, blah. I really think John Stewart has quietly been cast. He was like post for me for later.

Interesting. But Winston, what do you think about the, did you ever see the Iron Claw? I didn't. Oh, man. Okay, so the Iron Claw. Wrecked me. So the fact that they're getting. You know what it is.

You guys told me what it is. I just haven't seen it. getting that director plus the other showrunners and everyone else to this shows i think this show's going to be special i'm i'm it's funny because i was always interested i was interested in the lantern stuff and going okay yeah let's because the green lantern didn't really get his you know do in that movie so i was like i want to see how they bring that to fruition and now with everything else involved is becoming highly anticipated for me well it's like i feel like superman has to kind of reestablish the DCU, but I feel like Green Lantern is a character that's never been done right on the live action scale.

That's correct. Yep. So I think it's an interesting high stakes thing for both of those two properties specifically. I agree. I really hope that they don't, I mean, I don't think they're going to change the power set too much, but I think the one thing that I didn't love is them kind of hardcore tweaking Miss Marvel. I know it's a little different there. I hope they don't, and we don't end up in a situation like that and they find a practical way to use the lantern rings and have it be fully what they're supposed to be able to do you know okay Mike Joyce isn't Norman Reed is playing null is that true it's the rumor but it's not been substantiated enough for me to buy it like it's like someone said it then it got everywhere I just I have to wait and see for me is Norman Rees in the new venom

if he if he is he's no that's the rumor oh okay uh Christian Medard I can't see null being stopped by just venom and Spider-Man null killed the sentry and celestrials is he that powerful no uh null is like one of the most metal characters He's a god who, when the celestials invaded his darkness, got mad at them for bringing light to his void and killed them with this null necrose sword. And the necrose sword is actually ironically the sword we saw in love and thunder. I doubt they'll tie it into gore. But that sword became like this entity of pure power. He's like the god of the symbiates.

He's a very powerful creature. Okay. Yeah, because I was, when you were mentioning that, it kind of sounds like what they were trying to do with Christian Bale. And who did I just had, oh, you know, we've been taping Matt Sarah's show. He's got two episodes out so far. And him and his co-host Phoenix, kind of all just did Batman films, which will come up on Tuesday. But they were talking, and somehow, well, Christian Bale obviously came up throughout the conversation. But they started talking about Thor Love and Thunder and just like, what a just a complete drop.

That could have been so good. Oh, it could have been so good. Yeah. Could have been so good. Okay. Next one, and this is Eric Roo. How many silver age 1960s Avengers will show up in Fantastic Four? That's a good question.

Stumped them. Stumped them in their tracks. Look at that. Well done. I can see an OG Ant-Man, original Pym. I think it's going to be the nerds. It's going to be like the brains, but it's a good way to kind of have variants on characters. Obviously, you can't have Tony Stark in there because he's doing it.

I'd have Howard, though. Interesting. I wonder, I wonder how they're going to do that. The whole thing, how they're going to set up everything. Shane Markell, I don't know about you guys, but I think Darkwing Duck would make a good animated trilogy. Also, go watch Arcane, you psychos. That's right. That's so true.

I'm telling you, Arcane is the absolute best. It's so good. I've watched it twice now. Darkwing Duck fans? I would love a noir, Darkwing Duck. I'd love like an intense trilogy, yes. All right. So here is test.

Is Secret Wars a last chance for old Marvel cameos? I'm loving the cameos, but sadly feels like this is the last chance, morality-wise, to get it. Yes, I think it's the last chance, and it should be. Let's end it after this. No more. Rely on Fantastic Four, rely on X-Men movies, rely on that. You don't need any more cameos. Winston, do you think this is the end of the cameos after Secret Wars?

it's got to be i think it's not not not permanently but it's going to get dialed back a lot i think it's going to be dialed back a significant amount and it's like get it out of your system and we're we're on because the other thing that you're going to run the problem to if you keep doing this you're going to start handicapping your movies that the only thing that's doing it is because it's like oh my god so-and-so that said they always wanted to play you know uh uh dazzler They're like, they there. That's crazy. Taylor's winter dazzler.

Boom. And then nobody's like going to like actually enjoy the movie. You need to get to a place where you can just enjoy the movie for what it is. I think people already like it's so it bothers me a lot. And people are like no way home only works because of nostalgia bait. It's a lack of media comprehension that like the using Spider-Man as his own uncle Ben, the way they establish loss. Like all those things really work for me.

But every time you use a cameo, people lean on that. Like people go like, well, it's not this. because of this. And I think it's short-sighted, but I do think it's something that Marvel has to steer away from because of people not looking into it any deeper. All right. Let's see. So two more. We have Alaska Winter, 9, 2,3. What if any underrated cartoon from the 80s, 90s that haven't had a live-action remake would you like to see it tempted? Well, the two that, well, the ones that I would say are, well, there's a few. Mask is one, for sure. I would say Thundercats, which they've been talking about,

quite a while and one and nobody on this panel is ever gonna hear of and a lot of you probably don't know it it's called Black Star and a lot of the in the a lot of the animation for that was eventually used to make He-Man but Blackstar John Blackstar is about an astronaut that gets put on this other planet and him and this kind of dark warlord have two sides of this sword and they've got it's a it's a really good kind of fantasy I'd like to see that but you guys have anything in mind? Bro, honestly, this is going to be a throwback. It only had 13 episodes.

Bucky O'Hare. What the hell is that? Go like, that 80s? That's 80s, bro. For those that know you know, and if you don't go look it up, Bucky O'Hare was my shh. Oh, boy. I don't even know if I'm allowed to say the H-O-R-N-Y word on YouTube live,

but I'm going to be H-O-N-Y on Maine and say heavy metal. Oh, yeah. Like, I'd love to see, because heavy metal is, we have so much that is fantasy and high brow concepts delivered in fantasy that is all ages but I think the way to make it seem like not kid stuff is to lean aggressively the other way and there's some beautiful stuff in heavy metal that I think it'd be a really cool way to mature up the genre great one okay let's see um Sergio C Paul Giamati should be the green lantern for people who don't understand that joke that's an inside joke that's been going on for at least

it's got to be almost a year now where I what was it who did you say that he that Paul Giamani should be that we gave you crap for? Was it Dr. Dube? I think so. It was Dr. D. almost a year because now it's downy. And if you told me a year ago that Downey would be doom over Giamatti, I would have called you a lie.

I know. The truth. It was whenever, it was when Oppenheimer came out. Because that's around when they were, they were talking about who's who from Oppenheimer. And I was like, nah, nah, nah, no. Paul Giamati. And I never forget. I won't like this.

Paul Giamatti's not an Oppenheimer. No, no, no, no, no, because he, because he was an Oscar. It was a little, it was, it was, it was about a year ago because it was when all the award stuff was happening. God, it was the last, it was the last Oscars because that's when, when Downey won him, and then Giammati won him, he won two, didn't he? It was, yeah, it was, like, it was around when all the awards things were happening at the end of it, whether it was Oscars or whatnot, but around the Joe Hendo TV, any interest in Superman and Lois Season 4. I've heard nothing but great things about. about that show. I've never seen a single episode. Exact same and I'm a big fan of Tyler Hecklin.

Me too. I've not seen a single episode. Me too. I heard nothing but great things. I hear great things about the show. As of right now, this is the last one with 48 questions for today. EWalk, just joining now. So sorry if you've covered this, but did you see the Matthias Schuinard has apparently been cast as a Supergirl villain. We did not cover that and thank you for bringing that up because I did see that and I was gonna cover it. And I he is perfect. So what's what's the role? What's the role? This so they're in the story.

A little girl is kind of like a lone wolf and cub story. And Supergirl doesn't want this little girl to kill the awful man that killed her parents. She wants to take on that burden herself. She doesn't want the innocence of this child to be besmirched by killing. So Supergirl's like, I'm going to do it. And so there's this beautiful story of her trying to keep this innocence. And this guy is so ruthless, so evil, so corrupt, so vile. that you're like no he deserves to die and i think matthias would crush that he's he's like a barbarian

but a little more civilized he's like uh an evil knight kind of vibe he's a great actor we had a look that's a good look and dude he came into clitor we had him we had him on clara live once he's a good dude so um all right guys we did it uh good start for kroy on his first show almost 50 questions it's a pretty good start we had a good week this week in general almost half a winston's right ha ha ha ha too we couldn't get to the new 52 bro that would have been dope Can we also acknowledge that it's finally DC season to the point that this episode is 80% DC and that makes me real happy?

Because I don't want one to win. I just balance-wise, it's been five years of us just talking Marvel 80%. It's nice. But we said that. We told people. Yeah, we knew this was coming. I just, I'm glad to acknowledge it happened.

Of course. There were tons of people who kept saying, well, you guys cover Marvel or stuff because that was the news at the time. The news now is that because once DC starts to kick into the gear that they're kicking in, there's going to be a lot more DC stuff to cover. So it also makes me wonder.

I was like, okay, yeah, we talked mainly Marvel, but did you see? see all of our coverage on, you know, peacemaker and like when the first Joker came out and like if it was there, we talked about it. It just makes me happy because I've been saying that it's only going to make Marvel better that DC does great and vice versa. If there's two studios killing it in the comic book game, everyone wins. And as a comic fan, not a tribalism fan, this is exciting.

Well, that's the thing though for, I mean, out of the three of us, that if DC delivers in the way that the tone and the stuff that they've been setting up like i respond more to that stuff i respond more to the gritty stuff i respond more to the villains that they have in general superman was always my favorite out of all of it so i just haven't had a working dc in a you know in a in a form that i was like oh can't wait for the next one and the next one so i'm hoping that was it so i lied there's one more and you maybe you stop at 49 jacob tisano long-winded question that you can choose a comic book story to get a Lord's of the Ring treatment, one director, one vision, what would it be,

and who would direct with any cast? That's such a hard one. It's a great question, but it's a hard question because it's like, you know, who's making, it depends on who really wants to do it as far as, you know, it's a pitch in the room. Who's the director that comes in and goes, look, I want to do this.

I want this thing to happen. Is it Matthew Vaughn? I don't know. Matthew Vaughn, though, is coming off of a loss right now with Argyle. I don't think that he, and it's a little too fantastical, but if you wanted to tell like kind of a house of M story and let Nolan take it, I'd like I would be kind of interested to see he doesn't necessarily, he tends to make his stuff a lot more grounded.

Yeah. But I, but just knowing how well he does with an epic story and it's like give me time to cook. I feel like just the the political element of House of M of genuinely how Wanda is kind of losing her mind, but you're building up, you know, Magneto's family and all that kind of stuff.

I think it would be very interesting. Okay. Yeah, of course. Mine is tricky because it's a character that is arguably too much screen time, but I think the only way to keep the character, like if you're going to do the character, you have to reinvent the wheel.

I would do Denis Valenuv, directing a trilogy dealing with the Eastern versus Western sensibilities of Wolverine. I've always loved that Wolverine is a man that is out of time and space because he lives too long to feel like chronologically like he's in place, but he's also physically in the Western culture while having great respect for Eastern culture. I've always loved that Wolverine's an outsider and I feel like in the Hugh Jackman take, we've only gotten Wolverine as an outsider in like commentary, not like the movies feel like it. You know what I mean? Like he picks up Rogue and then he's welcome to the X-Men and they don't really like they never really lean into that even

in old man Logan's taken Logan it still feel it felt like he belonged and I would love to see Denny who does such a good job of people feeling like they're removed from the world they're thrust into and I don't want X-Men involved at all I would love a trilogy Lord of the Ring style where he after his trilogy gets brought into the X-Men so we already love him so I'd love a denny Vellon-Yuv Wolverine trilogy okay and this is number 50 we 50 and 51 came in while you guys were Thoughts on Bucky being the lead for Thunderbolts. Was that announced? Is he the lead now?

It's been like heavily rumored. Also, as far as Star Power, I feel like he's the only phase one guy. Okay. Yeah, I haven't heard that. And then finally, Eddie Aledia, Scott Eastwood for Cyclops? I don't think Scott Eastwood is that strong of an actor.

Yeah. I like Scott Eastwood. Sorry, Winston. No, I was going to say he looks the role, but I don't, I agree that I don't, I don't know. I go back and forth. on his actual acting, personally.

I think Scottie's was supposed to look like his dad and his dad looks too much like Hugh Jackman. I'd just be watching Cyclos, be like, why is that man Wolverine? Well, guys, we did it. We had a full show here. Our first live show since, Cape and Cowell, since we switched over to live every day

with myself and Winston and Coy, the whole crew together, that is. I'd like to thank both Winston and Coy. We start Winston and Winston, where can they find you? You can find me at the Swaggy Blurring all platforms but especially here on YouTube. I have put out my episode one, Agatha Instant Reaction, my instant reaction to two,

and Pangon will be out in a couple hours here. And then over the weekend, I will give you my spoiler review of both of those. I just need to obviously sit down and do all that. Other than that, man, the blurred breakdown. We've been covering a lot of great stuff. Obviously, this ditty stuff has been absolutely insane. So discussing that,

Shohay Otani just broke a crazy record of a 50-50. I'll explain what that is if you don't know what it is, but a lot of good stuff over there on my channel, man. So come say what's up. Coy? I'm just getting back to it. I took like five days off, but I did a quick stream of consciousness,

unedited thoughts on the penguin, and then one for Agatha. So those are both up on my page. Coy Jondra on YouTube. But now that I'm back, going to be covering each episode of Penguin, each episode of Agatha, as well as Transformers won this weekend

that I'm seeing largely because of Christians' rave review. So I'll be checking out Transformers and Reviewing that. So head over to my YouTube. I'm approaching. I want to hit 36K, the month of my 36th birthday. So I've got another 10 days to hit 36. I'm at 35. So hunt me down over there. And I really, really enjoyed this format. Like live is chill. This is cool. Because this is like sitting in the room with Winston Christian. So I felt good. Well, and it's plus the fact that we get to get so many questions of stuff that like I'm not going to ask it. Because I don't know the way that these people are so like locked in and some of these cool questions that I'm learning. So I appreciate everybody who's been putting those questions in there today. And having both myself, Winston and Coyon to do that. I appreciate it. I have been doing the movie reviews plus the TV. reactions. My wife and I just did the first two of Agatha. My friend Tina and I did long legs. I got

Logan coming next week with my friend Samantha. Matt Sarah did one. I have out of the theater reactions next week for Saturday night and the wild robot. So I got a lot of stuff coming. So thanks for joining us here on the channel here today. Really, really appreciate it. We're on Apple podcast, Spotify. Please subscribe if you haven't done that already. And that's it. We hear live every day. Appreciate it for myself, Winston, and Koi. That is the episode. See you later. Bye.

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