The Kristian Harloff Show - Huge week for Superman Legacy! Clark and Lois set, Lex is next!

Episode Date: June 30, 2023

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What's going on, everybody? welcome back to Big Thing, Capes and Cowls. Holy moly do we have a lot to talk about. Not only did we get finally confirmation on our Superman and Lois cast, and right around the block from finding out who Lex Luthor is, they talked to David Corrin Sweat. And they said, hey, man, what do you think? And he gave his thoughts on a more upbeat Superman,

so we'll get into that. Anthony Mackie gave some notes thoughts on what his version of Captain Mary's going to be like, and they also talked a little bit about Harrison Ford and how that's going to work. The Flash! Good news! Finally made its production budget back. Bad news!

Didn't make its marketing budget back yet. It's going to be a bomb guy. Swamp thing. James Mangold's out there talking about more of it, like a Frankenstein feel. Talk about that. Speaking of Superman and Lois, there was a Nostradamus-like tweet in 2020 with the guy calling it saying this is exactly who's going to be cast. Three years later, we got it.

And then finally, Aquaman, man is going to be a stand-alone film, says James Wan, not tied into anything. I think that's kind of like a no-dud at this point. But nonetheless, thanks for everybody who joined us at the New York event. You can still watch both the stand-up and the portion of the show with myself and Double-toasted and Mark Ellis. That's on the site, the Christianharloff.com. And speaking of that, guess what is going to be available on July 1st? That's right. The comic book, it's here.

The Capes and Cal's comic book by Wicked Art. It is going to be on the site. You can get it a la carte. It's like, I'm not a member on the website. No worries. Go on over there and check it out. And what happens when you buy it a la carte? Well, Wicked Art is going to get a percentage of each sale of the a la carte.

And if you're a member, you're going to get it. You can get a hard copy of it. You can get it digitally, go and check it out. And also, if you're a member on the site, you're going to see these two characters, shoes and beef. They make their debut on the website tomorrow. So go to the website, the Christian Harlov.com, sign up today. But that's not why we're here today.

We're here to talk about everything in the world of superhero news. Let's do it. It's me. It's Winston. It's Coy. It's Caps and Cows. Boom. What up, everybody?

Welcome back. Big thing, capes and cows. Myself. And these two gentlemen. I'm so disappointed in you. We had the greatest opening of all time last week. I need you to release the Harlov cut. Oh, you watched you went to see it.

I waited, I was waiting because I wanted to see it and you cut all of it out. It was such epic chaos. Tough. That's all I say about it. Tough. Four-hour Snyder cut. Eat it. What my cousin used to say?

She said, tough titty said the kitty. Right. And then she went to France. P. Oh, there's the chaos we ordered. All right, there is. Welcome back, everybody. Welcome back, gentlemen.

So we got a lot to talk about it. We've been talking about on this show. Now, this very well could be, you guys have been saying it too, but this is the one time I'm doing the Barry Harwoods pat myself on the back because I had doubled down on saying Corrin Sweat and Brosnahan

would be announced as Superman and Lois. I think we agreed, but you were with Penn. I think I'm giving full credit. I had no inside information whatsoever. I swear, I didn't. Rosnahan always made sense to me I guess when we were looking at those lists and stuff I just was like

I just don't know enough about cornswit like sure like sorry there we go um say that again Brosnahan always made sense to me based off what we were saying um I know I had my concerns one way or the other but she's perfect for it like she'll crush I just corn sweat I guess I just didn't know enough about I still don't yeah I've heard his voice now

yeah I mean that that's about it I know nothing about him I just like my biggest thing is I've been telling you guys is that I just always wanted Superman to be that, like, who is this person? Like, that's what Superman is. Who is this person? Like, that's why, Roxy and I talked about it. My next prediction is that Nicholas Holt will be announced as Lex Luthor. I hear it's a Scarsguard.

That's what, that's the three picks right now are Holt or two of the Scarsarsarsars. Is it Alexander Scarsgaret or Bill? And I said yesterday and I'll say it again, you can't go wrong with any one of them. No, any of those are great. And I love also, we've got the Hemsworth situation with Thor again. It's brothers fighting for a superhero role. And I'd love, personally, I see more Alexander Scargegard than Bill, but I don't not see Bill. I just, of the three, he's my poll.

Also, Alex's Alex's, it'd be cool. What is to say the last one? His name's, I like it. It'd be cool if Alex was playing Alex. I mean, that's the whole thing. Isn't Lex's name short for Alexander Luther? Right. I would love if Alexander Scarsgard played Alexander Luther.

And also, I've always seen him as like bigger, like physically and more intimidating. And that would distinguish from a certain landlord. That is, that is the big thing that Lex constantly does. Lex goes out of his way. He's not Batman level. Right. But he's, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he. to prove that he's better than Superman,

he's constantly putting himself in the peak condition he possibly could. You're saying he's not Mark Zuckerberg? Well, what Bill Scarsgaard has done well is play like these maniacal kind of characters, right? Like you look at, most notably, I think he was so fantastic in John Wickford.

I mean, he was so good in that movie. But he's a bit maniacal, right? And then I didn't see, do you guys watch Succession? No, no. I didn't either, but apparently Alexander Scarsguard is like straight up businessman Lex Luthor and that's probably what got him. He's so good in Tarzan. I haven't seen him like this, but he's so good.

But those are different. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. But the succession part of him is probably where James Gunn was like, oh, well, wait a minute. Yeah, that makes it. Which is funny because my only anchor point for Alexander's Garzard is true blood. So I'm out here like, I was out here like he was playing, for those that are more buffy folks, he was more kind of the spike character where like he's, he's evil, but then he's good, but then he's kind of the anti-hero bad boy. And so, like, just knowing that he could kind of go to those depths at times.

Is that the only thing you know from? I know he's been working, but for me, that's the last thing. Because I didn't watch Succession. Right. I didn't watch Northman. So, like, I just have it. And he was also in that movie with a TV show, the limited series with, was it pretty little lies? I didn't see that either, but I didn't see that.

The one with Nicole Kidman and not really the ones. I always say that. Big little lies. I always get it wrong. Pretty little lies. Pretty little lies. Right. Right.

And I said that last time with somebody else, too, a guest and they were laughing at me. But he was really good in that. So like I said, all three of them, the only reason, if I was, I would say that Alice Andrew Scarsgarz, it's probably a good bet.

But the reason why I say Nicholas Holt is because I feel like James Gunn is probably like, this guy is really good. He's been through the ringer. With Batman and now Superman, everything else too. Dude, I think he's gonna get. The rundown, it was,

he lost Batman to Pattinson. He lost Top Gun to, to Miles. To Miles. He lost. He lost Mission Possible to scheduling. Oh, is that what it was? Yeah.

He's supposed to be that big bad of this one. The new one. He's supposed to be the, like, the George Clooney looking dude. Which one was that? Have you seen the new Mission Bosn? Yeah, he was supposed to be, he said around. Yeah, he was supposed to be, like, the most interesting man character guy. Like, the bad guy.

I thought Eastmore else was in the previous movies, wasn't he? No, they just flashbacks to make it look like he was. Oh, okay. But they were going to have him as the, like, I don't want to give anything away, but that guy. And now to lose this. And he is. is so talented. It's not like,

it's not for a lack of talent. He's clearly been working because he's got the chops. It's just to keep being a bridesmaid and never a bride, just like that, for someone that good sucks. Yeah, but he's gonna be okay in the fact,

even if he doesn't get this. Of course. Because, yeah, I think it's, he's just so good. He's got, I think,

out of all of them, the most range. Oh yeah. And the biggest career, like his name is more known, I think. Maybe Alexander Scarge's guard's right at his heels, but I feel like Nick Holt would be like,

they're both on par, but I feel like Nick Holt, you'd be like, oh, that guy. It just depends. It depends on, the only reason I would, the only reason I'm going to give the edge to Scars Guard right now is because of how big succession was. Fair. That's recent. Yeah. And that's so recent, right? And I, because when I talked about it yesterday with Roxy, my first was, I know, Holt's the bigger name because whether it's the X-Men or the great or any of these things that he was in.

But then it was like, well, it just depends on the audience, right? And Succession is such a big show. I think Alex and True Blood, well, I think Alex. Alexander Scarsgaard's probably the bigger name, but not by much. Right. And Bill Scarsgaard has the mania, so like you said, it's anybody's bet. And Bill Scarsgargarde was sitting behind me at the Flash premiere. I'm wondering if that was anything.

Oh, because he was there. I mean, obviously, everybody can go in anything. But when the name came out, I was like. I should probably take meetings. I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up at the meeting and he's like, hey, you know, if you're a rash. That's all I thought of it. I just thought like, oh, maybe he's talking to James Gunn.

But it was definitely, when the names came out, I was like, he was job. Absolutely. Same the way Henry Cavill was taking meetings at that one point with with Marvel. Right. He was at the Marvel premiere. He was at Avatar. Right.

It was at, right. It was Disney Premier. And then it was the next day they announced it. Because I remember I saw him and I was like, like we were the last group of people to see him as Superman.

Yeah. And he's in, look, they're all in the circle. So I think that, yeah. Well, the other thing I was going to say that I think was makes sense and does sort of leave the door open potentially. Corn Sweat looks like a young,

cat. Well, that was the funny thing. He's got to look. This is the one thing that I've been kind of pushing back that a little bit too where I've seen a lot of videos about that and even when I initially saw him for the first time I said this guy looks like like Cavill my my pushback against myself and other people is that yeah of course he's got a bit of a Cavill look but he's got a bit of a Reeves look he's got a Superman look he's got a

super Tom Welling he's got a super Tom Welling he's got a Superman look it's almost like dark hair and red eyes and a big chip when you put all these guys together whether what's the cat's name was on the Park and Lois, or whatever, the Superman Lois. Tyler Hecklin? Okay, it's Tyler Hecklin, Brandon Ralph, Henry Cavill,

Dean Kane, all of these guys, like all of them together. They all look like they're cut from a Superman cloth, right? And do certain ones have certain similarities more than next? Like Ralph looked a little bit more like Christopher Reeve.

There's that shot of Henry Cavill where he's flying and it looks like it's a Christopher Reeframing. That's Zach Snyder was like, that wasn't intentional. That's how much they look alike. They're all cut from the same cloth. So this whole thing,

the one part of it of, now, I don't know, acting wise, if you look at the acting wise, you're like, he's exactly the same as Henry Cavill, and the same way, then you can go, well, why didn't you just keep Cavill? But the look, and I know you didn't say this,

but some people were going, why don't you just keep Cavill if you're going to get someone who looks just like him? I think, to me, that's silly. Also, he's playing, people are like, why didn't they just do that? And why is he the same age?

I'm like, well, he's the age he was when he got cast, and so was Brandon, so was Cavill, why are you mad at this age? Also, like, people are like, He's not big enough. I'm like, when they cast Cabell, he was the same size. Galgado, and Galgado Doe. And Gallaud was significantly smaller than she was cast.

She was real thin. Henry Cavill was smaller than me when he got casted. Like, Cavill put on like 100 pounds. It's a number of things. We are dealing with an alternate universe here. We're resetting everything. So we're dealing with a different universe. So same but different.

That's fine. On top of the fact that, again, we've admitted this. Cavill's not old, but you're telling a young Superman story. So you need someone that looks like the younger version of him. It's not going to make sense to put him, plug him into that situation. And on top of the, all, the only reason I brought that up is like I was mentioning about the door being open, if they decide to do some sort of story with a more, because there's

plenty of them where Superman is a little more grizzled, a little more like worn out by the world, he's still himself, but he's a little more cutthroat. You can always leave the door open to have Cavill come in and step in for a situation, but you folk, exactly, but stay focused on this new kid. Absolutely. And as far as the only thing that I would say that I think is silly, for them to do. And I know why they did it because they have things in the can. They want people to see their movies. And that clearly isn't really working for them. But I still think it was a mistake. And I love James Gunn's casting. I like what he's doing so far. I think it was a massive mistake to go. Well, Cavill, he's out. That guy, he's out. We're not using him anymore. He's done. He didn't say it that way. But in a certain aspect, we're just going in a different direction. No, no. Everybody else too, right? Well, no, no. Ezra Miller could potentially show up again. We haven't made any decisions on that. but what about Aquaman?

Still possible. And gal? Yeah, the door's open. And Ben, we'll see. No. Cut them all. Because if you're going to, because that is when you can piss off, and I think rightfully so, Henry Cavill fans are like, wait a minute, why just him?

I think taking it a step further, it's all of his properties are safe. Right. Suicides squad. Peacemaker. Peacemaker. They had asked today that there's no the Suicides Squad too. Right. A peacemaker there is.

Right. Peacemaker there is. But, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I think what would have made the most sense. Do they say that Peacemaker and Waller are now else worlds? Are they saying that Viola is? I don't know. I would assume.

It's still confusing, so. If they elseworlds it and, like, we want to finish telling this story real quick. Because, like, the truth is, part of this whole reset, they had, while there were ideas, obviously, that Zach had and what that, the story that was being told specifically with this kind of crew is kind of done. Right. So I'll give you that. If you were like, we were already in the middle of shooting people. Peacemaker Season 2. So we want to wrap that up.

I'll give you that as a thing. But I agree. There's a situation where you almost should have just been like... I think Flash helped that happen. I think Flash's numbers are now like it's not a rolling reboot. I feel like that made it a reboot. Like I feel like that those numbers are a reset. So I feel like elseworlding Amanda Waller's,

The Suicide Squad universe with Peacemaker is the way to do it. It's just too confusing. I had to say something to you, man. I know you've been cutting out the Instagram reels of the show. Man, people get. man, when we say anything, bro. Like, well, I just... The internet, mad?

No, no, I know. Because I simply poised the question. I said, I think the Flash is an A-list superhero. Or general populist people that I'm like, apparently didn't know. And they were like, how dare you? Everybody knows the Flash, you're dumbass. And I'm like, you know why I think you're hilarious?

You've read the comment. Well, the problem is, I got to turn off my notifications. I just forget to do that. So then all of a sudden, I open up Instagram, and it's just like 50 comments worth you. This guy. Dude, I literally took Twitter off my phone, the app off, so I have to search it. I can't even have it on my home screen.

I tried to, like, manually search it. So I only do it at the gym. YouTube's different for me because I respond to the comments. I talk to people, and it's easy for me to throw people out of my store. And if they're turds, they're gone. And like, I love my favorites, though people don't realize. I love when dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, really dumb, stupid, dumb people come over. And they, like, they post, like, this whole long thing.

And they use these words that I've always put, like, no one in the comment section ever sees it. It goes straight to the Spanish. folder and I don't even look at it like so they've spent all this time and I just delete them all like in bulk and they're just gone so you spent all this time and you're like I'm gonna get this guy I'm gonna bring this dude and it's like and you're gone but but Instagram it's kind of like when I drop a real I go here's this bye that's that's the problem because I'm trying to build that I mean I appreciate it

thank you for tagging me because it does help drive some traffic over there but at the same time I'm always like there was I finally responded to one of the people about our all-star comment with with Marvel because he's like what are you guys ridiculous. Hawkeye was there there's Loki. What about Wanda Vision? And I was like and I was like hmm Well

Hawkeye was mid It was fine But also Jeremy Renner is gone for a while Because he's having to recover from his injuries So like that's not a thing He's fully on the bench As far as Wanda Vision goes For a lot of people

Multiverse of Madness really effed up a lot of stuff that Wanda vision did I did I did see one guy the other day I didn't even respond to it Because it wasn't it wasn't like a bad It wasn't really like a negative comment. It was just something. I just don't like definitive tell me what to do things. And this guy is like, guys, not everyone likes sports.

So don't do that anymore. And I wanted to go, I just was going to write, no. But I didn't. I was like, if we want to, just guess what? We have time codes. So you want to move past it. I don't think you should. Coy's not like a massive sports guy, but it's just a matter.

It's just a reference to it's also a metaphor. It's a metaphor. So don't tell us not to do something. on how to do their job is madness to me. Like, I really, it's like, it's like, you don't have to, you don't have like it. You can, you say, that, it doesn't respond to me, guys. But, but, but I, I appreciate what you're doing or just, you know, I'm going to

move on something. Don't tell me, don't tell us not to do it. Silly. My two favorite interactions of the week were one person telling me, when I, I said I'm really excited for Rebel Moon because I'm really excited for Zach and I had his own IP and to make something good. And I was just genuinely like, I can't wait for this is going to be for the better of all of us.

And then without, like, 30 seconds later, someone with the name like Rebel Cultist was like, this is more talks. than anything. I'm like praising your guy. Like being excited and then... But I think you knew that was coming. I really didn't that time. I say fuck a lot more if I wanted to be aggressive. But this actually brings me up to another thing.

But this brings me up to something I wanted to think about that I wanted to talk to you because I started thinking about you guys. I thought of the day. No, not yet. I was like, is it... No, no, it's not. It's not. No, this is for real, like, I remember it... Because right now, for the most part, Star Wars has kind of been like a dormant thing. people kind of punch it in the face a few times and walk away like the you know the trollish people

and but they don't really it's it's not they don't have enough of the thing to really go after it as much as they did in like 2017 yeah to like 2020 they were really going after me they still take shots it's still in it out there marvel and the comic book sphere right now feels the most like that time the comic book movies feel like that right now bigger to me is it because yeah well it feels like Even if I saw people like, I saw someone the other day because we saw Mission Impossible. I can't, it's just social reaction right now. But like, it's funny. I said that my initial social reaction on the movie was that I think if you're going there

for a big blockbuster action film for stunts and all that, it delivers about a thousand percent. Yeah. It doesn't have the same kind of clever Mission Impossible feel that the other ones had. At the same experience. Yeah. And so I, but I will say this. as looking at it, and I think that I kind of analyzing it,

if I was to see either that movie, Indiana Jones, or Flash, which one would I check, watch again? I'd watch Mission again. Because I feel because, like I said, I think that it's a really well-done film, and I think it's a clear part one, as opposed to some of these other movies.

In the end of Flash is okay. But I really like the Flash a lot. We've talked about it. But I saw some, what's the word? Oh, yeah, Dick Bag on Wheels. And I saw some guy, he's like, this is a guy that liked the flash. Don't listen to him when he talks about a motion to possible. I'm like, hey, he, dumb, dumb person.

You want to put it to you a solo? But it no, but it's just a matter of this is me saying, like, look, and I'll stand by it. I really liked the movie. And my favorite was, well, you got, you know, I'll lose your access. I flew my ass to Vegas on my own dime. He flew me to Vegas.

You know, what access did I get for going to the flash? But anyway, but the point is, people were like, it's this thing that the same thing of Star Wars stuff, how it used to be like, well, now they're coming. They never used to go after D.C. Now, I guess, because Snyder's not a part of it, now everybody goes after D.C. too. And I'm just so glad that from the majority,

minus this, I'm just so, I just don't pay attention to it. It's just like, you can't. It took a while. Well, so that's the funny part. You remember only like maybe two months ago, Cole was like, oh yeah, I love going for them trope. Come on, baby, let's go. I want to fight. Let's go. And every week was it.

Last week, he goes, I may have to get off the internet. I told you, it's exhausting. It's just It's just not worth it. And overall, it's like, you know, but you can, if someone, again, it's just a matter of how you can just tell from an intelligent person to just someone who's purely stupid.

If you write and say something along the lines like, well, look, if this guy is, like this movie and you can't take him serious. Like, no, what you can say in a situation like that, what this person just should have been, I guess, gone to school. But like, when, what you can learn in school is that it will tell you how to interact and talk to someone. You go basically like this.

Hey, interesting that you said that because I didn't like the flash. And when you said you liked the flash, I was curious about it, and I didn't like it. So we didn't line up on the same there. So I might disagree with you going into Mission Impossible, if that's the case because maybe we're just looking to things different. I would go, fair.

Totally fair. Not completely accurate. You're implying discourse is not, right. But also just from the standpoint of like, I think what people keep forgetting above all else. Is it a lot of dumb people out there? Well, there's that. It's a human on the other side of that tweet.

Wow. My favorite, my dad's favorite quote is never underestimate the stupidity of the American people. I think it's like a, I think it's a, I'm going to get this wrong. It's not Eisenhower. I don't know if he was American. This guy, but we were, fair.

I think it was an LBJ quote. I don't quote me on that. But just the idea that people keep forgetting as far as us all being humans. So we've all had different experiences, which means that certain things resonate with us more than others. So like, for example, you loved Black Adam, or at least you loved it enough. I didn't love it. No. You loved it enough that it was a popcorn flick that you said you really enjoyed watching.

That's what I mean. You really enjoyed it. It's a late 90s movie. Whereas for me, I was just kind of like, this is too backwards for me. I just wasn't like there were, I just didn't enjoy it. Right. And that doesn't make either of your opinion less. lesser.

And that's what drives me mad. We both understood what we were saying. Like I said, there's certain movies that people can see. Like, and I'm going, I don't know how you came to that conclusion and how you see it that way. I respect it, but I don't see it. And then there's other times going, oh, I totally understand that. And Black Adam is a totally understanding. Like I watched that movie going, because I love the music and everything else too.

And I watched that. And the same thing with Ant Man, I walked out of that going, most people are not going to like that. I think a lot of people are not going to like this movie. But I like the science fiction aspect of it. the end is atrocious. It's so sloppy. But like, and I think you can acknowledge that.

And you can talk about it, but there's a, it's just a matter of, I don't know, it is, it's social media and it's, it's the way people talk to each other

where that same, what's, yeah, moron with half a brain. That same, that same person, if you put them in a room with me talking, they wouldn't say it that way.

Probably not. No, they wouldn't. He would, he would say, wait a minute, but you probably would be like, you may be a little more aggressive. Wait a minute, but you like the flash, so do you, but you didn't like this one? How come? And then I would say, well, I actually did like this one a lot. I just expect a lot of

my mission impossible movies. I'd say overall, that's the case. I did have someone try to fist fight me at a concert once because I didn't like a movie. And I was like, yeah, like physical alter, like tried to fight me. And like it was over, like I never get bad opinions. And so they were like, you like everything and you didn't like that, um, that weird like statutory movie, Pineapple. What was the one Paul Thomas Anderson did that got like Oscar buzz and then died out? Oh, not pineapple pizza. Yeah, but licorice pizza. I just didn't like it.

It wasn't for me. And I like said so. And this person literally was like, you just didn't understand. And literally like shoved me. And then he was like, he brought his girlfriend over. This is the guy I was telling you about. It was like, are we about to have a greaser fight? And it was in person.

And that's what I worry about with socialization. Like that's intense. That's the problem. We haven't been socializing. And especially after three years like a lockdown and everything else. There's also been this thing where unfortunately movies have become hand in hand with politics. And it was never really in. Movies.

Oh, my, my uncle. Yeah, I know. The movies in general have been political. Of course they have been. I mean, Star Wars, a lot of movies have been political for sure. But the way people handle them has been way more reflective of the way that, especially America is with politics. And it's like your team against my team.

And it's never the way that politics were supposed to be set up in the first place. They're supposed to be, let's come to a common ground, even if we don't agree. It's certainly not that way now. And it should be the same thing with movies. I think the other problem is, honestly, we don't. it's not just we don't know how to interact in person. People have lost the ability to have nuance in the way that they speak.

Yeah. And so when they do speak of stuff, I'm not saying this is what you did at all, but just as an example of someone was like, liquor's piece of was garbage, that was trash. It's the worst movie I've ever seen. If you were like,

yo, I watch this movie, I think this is terrible. I got nothing out of it. I did not find that. That is one thing versus this is the stupidest movie ever. If you don't like it, you're a dumbass. Or if you don't like this movie, then you're...

That's the problem. Nobody's using nuance when they speak. It is true, but I think it goes back. There's two things that come out of that, right? And the first, I say this all the time, too. And I have to constantly remind myself, too. You don't know where people are in their lives when they're writing certain comments. So I also don't know as dumb as that person might be that wrote that thing.

They also might have had the worst day of their life. And maybe the worst thing happened, they said, all right, you know what? And then ran away. The other side is that there are some just dumb people out there. And there are people out there that have access instead of, you know, writing, hey, okay, look, I'm very curious and I want to ask you a question.

So the question is, I've been watching you guys for a bit, and I don't agree with you, and I start, and a lot of times I'm buying into the fact that why is it? Like, let's say someone goes, Corey, you freaking chill. That's all I can say, because I've got nothing else,

and I'm going to write chill, and then I'm going to put my hands up like Rocky because I think I won, and he didn't win anything. Instead of saying, I've watched you in the past, and to me it seems like like, and I'm clearly not saying

any of this, but I'm just beginning. No, no, I am. Okay, but it's like, Coy, this is what I notice about you. When I see you, I see you going and taking pictures on Instagram, and I see you talk about your experiences with meeting these people. I feel that that might affect your experience

when you see these movies, and so it's hard for me to take you seriously inside this. Can you convince me otherwise? Now you first would be like, well, okay, I mean, it's, If someone presented it that way. I'd actually engage. You'd engage because you're like, well, wait.

Instead of saying, shoo, because that's what I heard other people say, and that's what other YouTube channels say, and I heard it, and it's stuck. I like these five letters, these five letters make me feel so here we go. And it's like, you go right to spam guy. Yeah, and nuance is how you engage in discourse. And actually, that brings me one of the news stories I wanted to talk about this, I don't know if it's in the rundown. But speaking of nuanced conversation, I think we're the only channel.

of anywhere I work with the Jonathan Major stuff that happened this week. I think this is the only place that we all were like, hey, let's get facts first. And we didn't immediately take our pitchforks out. And a lot of people did and we're monetizing off someone's real life trauma. I would argue that we can fight over movies all we want. But as soon as real life human beings are involved and it's about their real life, that is not acceptable. And profiting off of people's horrors. And it seems like things are going in the direction of like, hey, we said we should get facts first.

And it looks like Jonathan Majors might have been in the right. So, like, we should still get more facts, more data, but it is good to see that this is going in a way that. But it's also what we had a conversation about this too, where people are like, well, wait a minute. Ezra Miller's getting off the hook and Majors is. What the hell? It's like, Marvel didn't get rid of him yet. Right. That never happened.

Now, people, now the media and people were like, and there were some jobs that majors, they were like, ah, we're going to back off for now. He wasn't booked on. They didn't start filming in. Right. So whether it's right or wrong, they didn't have a, they didn't, they could have, they were, going to stay out of this for now until this stuff clears up and that's right as a business but the idea of like marvel well marvel Ezra was able to continue on first of so Ezra shot all that stuff and they I don't like the way that they handled Ezra in general

where they didn't really address it I think Annie Muscietti and Barbara Musciate only two even addressed it at all and they're and that's that's such a conflict of interest thing anyway because how are they going to address it they were working with Ezra Miller for so long they have a relationship with them well and you know there's also a lot writing on that movie, whether or not the BCU is ending. Of course. That has a lot to do. Absolutely. But I just think nuance is really important when it comes to real life. And how

we handle that news, I think, this was the only network that we talked about, like, facts maybe. And I think that we're now getting some of them, and it's different than a lot of people painted it. And you have to see, you don't, I mean, you cannot, and that is also one of these things where it's just social media, everything else, it's like, oh wait, what's this? It's a rock. That person might be in trouble.

What don't I'm going to? I'm going to. I'm going to do. I'm a throw it out of. Yeah. Why? Because I'm supposed to. Because it's supposed to. Well, because everyone else is going after them, so I'm going to throw a rock. And it's like, but what if they didn't do anything? Yeah, but that's not what everyone else is doing. Throw rocks. And it's like, no, you don't throw rocks, but you don't know yet. And that's not just the Jonathan Major situation.

That's everything. That's social media. That is just common thing on social media. Like in a shmowdown, I saw it all of the time and people that we worked with. Someone got, someone either got in trouble or something. And they go after them. It's like, why? Because we're supposed to trust me.

And I'm supposed to trust me. And I'd come to it on taping and there was all this drama and I was like, what happened? It was just, it's insane. But I'm not just talking about in-house. I'm just talking about in general where I do, because I don't deal with all these personalities now, but it's like there's such like, and it's, maybe it's a generational thing. I have no idea, but it drives me crazy. It's just like, like you said, wait. And also, and then going back to the initial part of this conversation, discuss, have a conversation.

That's why we open up the comment section for us is that it doesn't, I never want this to be like, oh, everybody's so great. no but like if you don't agree with us please that that's the whole that's the part of it right it's like it's like well hey guys look I I know that you guys are talking about David Corrin Sweat I don't I've seen the guy act and I don't like what he did so far and I'm maybe it'll be better but I'm not I'm not into it so and Robert Pattinson we had a we had a very long discuss oh I was like I'm not about it for these reasons you said check this out and then let's see what happens and that was in person that was in person and then we talk but I mean it's so it's harder when you know for I'm I will say this

especially from the audience that watches this show, this channel in general, 95% of the comments and conversation that come in here are exactly what I'm talking about. People who are commenting in here, and like I said, people who don't agree and have other things, the only time that it hasn't been is,

it's only when I go to my spam folder, and I just delete, anyway, I don't read any of them. They just delete it. If it goes to spam, it's gone, because you don't win here. Like you can go and post it and go to Twitter I don't check Twitter anyway So you can go and you want to go nuts

You want to call all the names in the world It just doesn't It's so It definitely was different back then Like someone like there was other things That people still do And they try to like Use you as an example of like

Well that person is is working for Someone said to the other day I couldn't remember Am I show for Disney or am I show for DC Or do I hate everything because Kathleen Kennedy's in it Or I just like Or I don't like Marvel anymore It's like nobody

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Let's talk about Corinswet. All right. The new Superman says this. This is, first of all, this is from Dark Horizons. The article itself says, No Bigger Entertainment News will come out this week than the announcement of David Cornswet as Superman and Rachel Brosnahan as the next Lois Lane in James Guns. upcoming Superman legacy film at Warner Bros.

He's 6'4. Interesting. Corrin Sweat broke through a few years back with Ryan Murphy's Netflix series, Hollywood, and the politician before supporting turns in HBO's We Own This City and Pearl. It was around the time of promoting those Murphy shows in 2019. That Corrin Sweat's name first became linked with the role. At the time, it wasn't clear if Cavill would return, and the young actress Clark Kent-style look were often commented upon in the interviews and reviews.

While promoting Hollywood in 2019, the actor spoke with EW about comments that he had similar looks to Cavill. That old quote is doing the rounds again this week, thanks to variety, and the actor responded to the question with this answer. It came to my attention before the internet got a hold of me, but my pie in the sky ambition is definitely to play Superman. I would love to see someone do an upbeat throwback take on Superman. I love the Henry Cavill dark and gritty take,

but I'd love to see the next one be very bright and optimistic. Four years on, he's fulfilled that wish, by landing the role and doing so in a project, which Gunn has previously said, will lean towards the optimistic ideal of Super Bowl. Superman being who's an alien, but one of deep humanity, kindness, and compassion. And then also there was this thing that came out to, this was from 2020, can all be, said a Superman reboot. This is now making the rounds, by the way.

This is like a Nostradamus type tweet. A Superman Reboot starring David Cornswit as Superman and Rachel Brosnahan and Lois Lane. Let it be linked to Matt Reeves Batman franchise, not directly, just in the same universe. Well, I don't think that part of it is going to be, but this guy was able to call, we call the fact that that that was your cast and that was three years ago that that person called it so good on them. But it's

pretty awesome that Corinsfoot was talking 2019. Yeah, I love that. Four years ago. Yeah, but the fact that A, he wanted to do it and then B, that he wants to do like the upbeat version of it. And I think a lot of us want to see that. The funny thing is, I was talking about this yesterday, there's never been a massive, I mean, I shouldn't say never,

since Christopher Reeves, that Chris Reeve, it has not been a massive Superman hit. Now, Man of Steel did well. It did well. But at the time, people were like,

oh, it didn't do that big number we wanted to. It did well. It certainly made money. And Henry Cavill was beloved to Superman. But a big kind of, you know, mega blockbuster take over like,

oh man, that movie, because Man of Steel was like, there were people going, oh, yeah, it was, it did okay. It did fine. I remember talking about it on Shmo's and everything.

be like, yeah, it did, it did good. Yeah. But we haven't had a big block. We haven't had an Iron Man. We haven't had a, like, this year is his. And when I think of DC, it is Superman's image, but it's Batman movies. Like when I think of a big DC movie, it's Batman. And that's how they've been making their comics for a while.

I think this is the chance for Superman to take that back. I honestly think this casting's great. I think Rachel Brosnahan's name is really strong. I love how strong they're leaning into the lowest lane of it. I said on Real Rejects and I got a ton of guff speaking to people being people. But I think that. Lois Lane is one of the most important casting decisions in all of D.C. Because Lois humanizes Clark, and Clark's humanity is tied to making that character.

Yeah, but, I mean, misogynist are allowed. But it's insane that I was like, it's important to cast well for Lois Lane because that might be the cornerstone of the most important character in the entire universe. And without that, Clark isn't Clark. And Bonpacent shaped his youth. It's love. It's largely important. And I think Rachel Brosnahan has that Pulitzer Prize winning language. She has that diction.

She can speak Amy Sherman Palladino. a writer of Miss Maisel. Like, she's the exact right call, and that's only going to elevate Cornswet. And the fact that he's 6-4 and she's 5-3... Is Miss Maisel writer part of Superman? No, but that language. I'm saying like, she speaks like Lowe's. And he's a foot and an inch taller than her? It's perfect. It's...

No, no, no, no. You don't need to apologize. You're on a roll, baby. I get excited. Yeah, you did get excited. I mean, you were spot on. I mean, they teased it a baby bit in the Snyder verse about, like, it's not always, you gotta save her. But if you go and look at any of the stories where he does like fully tilt,

injustice being one of those big examples, it was the combined loss of Lois, his future baby, and all of Metropolis, but it's specifically Lois, and the fact that he, like, killed Lois by his own hand because the Joker went too far, that breaks him. So if you do not have Lois,

like you said, it's his anchor to humanity. It's actually why I thought the take by Sasha in the flash and what they did, this idea of, why would I bother with humanity? What about the,

these people, the way they've treated me, the way they look at me, why would I care? And you, and essentially- Well, she needed something too inside of that. I mean, I don't want to give too many spoilers for the flash, but like, she needed something that ultimately made her go, oh, right, okay, I guess, because she knew nothing except pain. And I like that she also tied it into her heritage. There's a line about, well, you know, he doesn't represent us. And I'm not going to give too much way, but like, I also love that it was both a defense

offense and that really saved Shasha's supergirl. Like, we've talked a lot about how she didn't have a lot of screen time, and every time she did, it was huge. You can do so much with Superman getting hopefully, you know, multiple movies and building out and all these things. But making it optimistic and full of hope, I think is what we need now more than it reflecting. I always say like Superman should be what we aspire to but cannot reach instead of it reflecting our times. That's not Superman. Superman isn't amongst us.

It's also from the standpoint that by the nature of his abilities and everything else, it's extremely boring to just look at Superman just being all. powerful. Right. It has to be, and it's why I typically do not, like, I don't, I'm not super into Superman because I'm like, I don't find something necessarily to relate to, but those moments like All-Star Superman, for example, are those moments where it's like both A, because he's not, he has become more godlike in that, in that book, but he's also mortal as hell. Yeah. All of a sudden, time means something to him and now spending time with Lois, spending time with his loved ones, means, like, there's a little bit more. So the Superman stories, I always heard the quote,

a good Superman story is a story where it's about what Superman should do, not what Superman can do. It is specifically looking at, he has to deal with the trolley problem. Save Lois, save all the metropolis. It's, it's, they just murdered Paw Kent. Does he go full rage mode right now or does he go, no, that's not what I was taught? I'm better that, you know what I'm saying? Those are the stories that make him interesting.

Well, one thing, one of the things, like, I actually, I forget where you guys stand on it, but I actually really like Manist Steel. The one thing that Roxy argues against, a lot of people argue against, which I actually agree with, I understand why they did it at the time, and it's a different take on it. So I like when they spin off things differently sometimes. I think you need to have Paw Kent, if you're even going to mention it, you've got to have him die naturally. It's the whole point of Superman can't save everyone.

save everyone. Like, you know, I told, so my daughter, my five-year-old, I, she likes when I tell her, I'll tell her stories at night, but I tell them, like, you know, whether it's fables that, but they're from movies and shit, too. I've done it from, like, wrestling tales and everything, too, and I did the goonies once and last night. She goes, tell me a story from, like, movies. So I told this story of Superman last time.

And as I'm telling her, the story, I'm, like, telling her about, like, how Pac-Hen left. And, and I'm going, yeah, I didn't choose the one where he went out. out to the tractor and told him to stay back. He was like, no, he just, he went and Superman couldn't do anything about it. Yeah. Speaking of this, this is kind of the very, you want to hear an all moment, by the way. This is the show you the innocence of children, right? We, I took my daughter on this walk around the block.

We go. See the tree? No, no, not yet, we haven't done that one. We walked, I told that story on stage. It was great. It was like nine minute bit. I saw some tweets about it. Yeah, so we, so anyway, I was walking, we take this long walk, and we used to walk past

this gate where they were these two older dogs, little dogs like this big. And they've since left us, right? So now there's like a new little dog there. And so I was walking with my five-year-old and I said to us like, there's, you know, there's the little dog there too. I said, yeah, the older dogs aren't with us anymore.

And my daughter goes, are they extinct? Oh, that's precious. I said, yeah, yes, they're extinct, right? Jurassic Parked. Oh, my God. That's so cute. So cute. Can I ask you a question?

Because I haven't seen Manus Steel in a long time. Was it a situation? Was it a trolley problem situation or he just said don't say a trolley. He didn't want him to reveal that he was Superman. There was so many ways he was like a hurricane and then he's and the dog was out there too. He saved the dog I think. Yeah. Yeah.

So that's my problem. If you put him in a situation where Pauccan is like, don't worry about me, that's a bus full of kids. Go save the kids. Right. And him be like, no, I have that that works. Not sit there and watch me die. Right. That didn't work.

Don't reveal. Yeah. I mean that's, so I hope that they use. the, because it was always the most tragic, like the Christopher Reeve one, when he's like, oh no, like he knows. Yeah. And he just drops and he can't do anything. And keep him around

for more in the movie. I'd love Mom Paw Kent to make it through the first one. I think they can't. They're in the comments. They're around. Yeah, but that's that's if you're playing in Smallville for that long. He's going, no? There's a lot of him going home to reset. They're on the farm and he goes and like, I need to see them to find my

humanity again. They're like alive. When does he die? I mean, in some continuity, he's alive now. Superman? Yeah, like, deeply. Yeah, it's... So he goes back to Smallville to, like, check in. But you know the movies. Look, I don't care. It's just a matter. It's just a matter. Tell me a good story. Yeah, that's what I say. It's different to keep them alive.

That's a different take that you didn't even know about. So that'd be good for new audiences. Nonetheless, we have... We're going to have that Superman in 2025. We'll figure out whether the Comic-Con thing's happening or not. Probably... Today. Well, real-time. Yeah, today, I guess we'll find out for sure.

If Sag Strikes are probably not going to be there. If they don't, then Warner Brothers will probably be there, and you're probably going to get Lex Luthor there as well. Okay, final, let's call it right now. Who gets cast as Lex Luthor? Winston. I think they cut hold to break. He's talented.

I think he gets it. There's something specific. I'm thinking about his beast moments where he really loses it. I think he's going to tap into that. I think he gets Lex Lek's. I'm going to Scarsguard, Lex. I'm thinking Alexander Scarsguard, he's got the size. He's got the build.

He hasn't done the superhero thing really yet. And I think he'd be really well-suited for James Gunns sensibilities. I think you've got a good pick there, Coy, but I'm going to go at Winston. I'm going to say Nicholas Holt gets the break. So what do you guys think? Do you think Holt's going to get it? Do you think it's going to be Alexander Scars Guard? Because the only reason I think that Coy might have the edge here is because of the succession thing.

I think that's going to be weighing a lot of people's minds. But I'm still, I'm sticking with my guns and I'm going, Holt. What do you guys think? Go ahead and let me know. Staying with D.C. And we'll talk about it briefly. Let's talk about the Flash continuing to sniff farts. Nobody wants to see the Flash.

It is past its production budget, though. So there's that. A movie that the three of us really enjoyed. Doesn't seem like anybody else really did and nobody else really saw it. This is from Mark Cassidy over a comic book movie. It's a minor victory, but this movie will take any W that it can get at this stage.

It's so true. There's so many movies that are so much worse than this, this movie should have done better than it did, but it only sits at 91 million domestic. That's a stink bomb in a bottle, guys. 123 million from overseas territories it's about 250 million with estimated marketing costs about 150 million

the movie would have to gross twice its budget just to break even good luck analysis believed excuse me analysts believe that the Flash will struggle to hit 300 million by the end of its theatrical run it's got decent reviews 65% of Rotten Tomatoes and a focused effort to promote the feature

as one of the greatest superhero movies of all time that was the biggest mistake that was it was really big we'll get into that in second audiences just don't seem to be interested in Barry on story, a sign of things to come for Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom and Blue Beetle. Early word is that James Wan's sequel is not very positive. And while we've heard better things about Blue Beetle, he's a relatively obscure character. There's a lot right now.

I mean, I'll tell you what, and we'll get into this too. If I'm anybody doing a comic book movie right now, I'm nervous. If I'm Anthony Mackey, I'm terrified. You know, because this is a, and we'll talk about Mackey. I'm going to say. I'm terrified. He's got the biggest underwear in a film. Corrin Sweed is holding, is basically holding the new DCU on, him and Gunn.

He's the face of it and Gunn, like, not as many people are going to know. On his back. Very broad. On his very broad. Six foot four shoulders. 100%. And that's, you know, he's going to be really, he's got a little bit more to hold there with, James Gunn because James Gunn's going to put everything he's got into this thing.

So that's one thing. But as far as the flash goes, man, like they tried everything that they could to really promoted it and understanding that, okay, this is the scenario we talked about months ago. you've got James Gunn Saffron are coming in and then you got Zoloft who deserves Zoloft right now and he says hey I know you guys are going to have your plan

you're going to announce your plan we're good to go but we got a couple movies in the can that we got to sell we got to try to make money on these things no matter what so whatever we can do let's do it and I believe that and rightfully so that Gunn loves Mooshietti I love Muscietti yeah I think we she did a really good job director, minus the CGI

and the way that he handled the CGI what he talked about. That was on purpose. Stop that. That's part one. But this thing that they started doing of the greatest superhero movie ever told or ever made, that James Gunn,

don't say that. Even if you feel that, don't say it. You can't say that right now because if it doesn't, it hurts your validity as the freaking DCU. Because I like the movie. You guys like the movie a lot, but a lot of people don't. So if you're trying to sell your new DCU to these people who don't like him,

they're going, wait a minute, this guy thought that this is the best superhuman over Dark Night? Yeah. Over his own create. You don't bring up Marvel while talking about DC, but over your own creations, which I would argue all three of the Guardians are better than the Flashman. Yeah, it was a bad, it was a bad thing to say. It's one thing. Tom Cruise goes out and says it.

Who cares? Fine. That's great. Tom Cruise out. It's like, oh, look, so-and-so's on the trail and they took a picture with that celebrity and he kissed the baby and they all that had fun. Great. But you're the head of D.C. right now, you can't do that. And look, I think this is why sometimes he means he's amazing on social media.

Other times it's like, you can't do that. You, the best adage in business, obviously if you can, if you can make a promise for something, something on ridiculous heights as far as like whatever. and they can actually deliver, that's the biggest win you could ever have. But there's a reason why the saying is you under-promise and over-delivered. By saying this was the greatest superhero movie of all time, I went in with this mentality. This is about to be flawless, because now I'm making comparisons to Dark Night,

to Endgame in Infinity War. And you start screening it two months early, and so many people see it. And that also heard it because those people thought it was unfinished. And then by the time it came out, it was like, oh, that unfinished CGI was just the CGI. That messed me up, too. That wasn't my problem, though.

that is an issue. It was you spent two to three months giving free screenings to the people that would have been there day one. And so they've gone to three or four screenings. They may go another time, but how much money did you cut off? That's not as much as you think.

Do you know how many screenings were running? Yeah, they did a lot of them. But it's like it's, I mean, even let's say it was, and this is a big number. Let's say it was $5 million of all the screenings. Let's say it was $5. You think it was only about that? Because from what I,

what I was seeing across the country with these screenings is that they were running anywhere from like one to 10 depending on the city a week, which is insane. I'd like to see how many in general, but like, yeah, that doesn't, it, it doesn't add as many, as much box office loss as you think. The only reason why it does is that you needed the die hard to go see it. To go see it. And not necessarily. And those people who loved it to spread the word about it after.

buying a ticket. I mean, I mean, I get it. If you even want to do that for a week. I think marketing, you're probably right. I think money wise, though, like, I don't think it, I mean, I guess it's kind of goes hand in hand, but yeah, I don't think it really took the box office out as that much. I hope this was an experiment, so the DCU is different. I hope they played around with Flash they could learn these lessons. I hope Superman doesn't start playing two months before. Like, I hope these are going to mean, like lessons learned from the experiment of ending a universe. 100%. This is, this is, this is them going, we have this stuff that we need. Got to get it out. God, it's like, it's like, I got a lot of T-shirts right now.

I got a lot of big thing T-shirts right now, and I want to sell them. Yeah. But not everyone's buying them. So, like, the thing is, like, when I take them. It's the greatest T-shirt of all time. It's right. What I did? It's the greatest T-shirt of all time.

I've never had a shirt this good. It is comfortable. But I got a lot. And I'm going to have it. It's like, what do I got to try to sell these? I love the shirts. I love the shirts. You got to get them out.

You got to find whatever you can to get the mouth there and sell them. Are you going to lose money on it? Or you take the hit. Right. Well, especially when you've got, when you've got, like Winston said, though, you've done three movies, you've four movies that the suicide squad, these other ones, too. I think the suicide squad is better than the Flash. I think, like, there's so many different movies that I think are better. I don't know why he would say that. And I'd like to see his actual quote in general, but that's what everyone's been saying. But either way, this movie is, there's a lot of movies out there. And we've gone over this a million times over of why we think and this. But we don't do it. But there's a lot of movies out there that are. bad that I've done way better than this. I'm gonna beat the drum though every single time. Stop making these

movies for so much money and stop it. Unless you can guarantee, stop it. 250, 300 million. Indiana Jones cost almost $300 million to make. That movie is going to lose money. This one. It's going to lose money. No. 300 million. No, no, no, no. Because I've done some reviews. It's a fun popcorn movie.

It's not a billion dollar movie, not even remotely close. No, you got, I mean, especially not with, look, this is the other thing that people don't understand. And we were just talking about loud people and how loud comments and everything too. Loud people affect box office. I'm telling you there right now. They do. People like, don't give them, don't give them that much power.

They do. It's the same reason, guess what? Bud Lion ain't the number one beer anymore. It, it's, whether it's, whether, we're not talking right or wrong. We're talking business. Loud people make, it's too. So it's like the other thing, the loud people are making stink about this movie as well. and when there's a big stink around the movie,

people are going to go, and not rightfully so, people are going to make us think about it and go, I'm not seeing it on principle, and they very well might have liked it. It was the first movie that I didn't expect that from that happened to scale. Like, I honestly watched it and left it going,

like, I'm excited to talk about a movie that won't be problematic. And I'd had no, I literally had no idea until I started to speak. I didn't know. I didn't know that, like, Phoebe Wallbridge had any sort of, like, aggression towards her until I was like,

I enjoyed the movie, didn't even mention her in my review. And like, the loud people, that I would not have expected about this movie, like a woman left the kitchen, so they were very upset. And I was like, she doesn't even do anything that's like out of left field.

I think it also is tying into, and I don't think this is right on this particular thing. I think it's also ties into Kathleen Kennedy right now. It's like Kathleen Kennedy has a, I think that there's a right way, very similar where we was talking about, to analyze whether or not you think, if you're a sports fan again, right?

That's right. People are going to love this. But you don't like what the coach is doing, because you don't like the lineup that the coach is running, you don't like the plays that the coach is calling, you don't like what the coach is doing. As a sports fan, you have every right to say that, and you have every right to say,

well, I don't like the way the coach is running things right now, and I think that the coach has done this often. I think it's time for the coach to go. Wish the coach luck, hope the coach manages another team. That's fair. When you start just, I don't like the coach, why? Because the coach is a woman. Oh.

But what about everything else? Just wants to put women on the team. but but what else and like that's the balance of like you know and and those people are out there as well too and that's what shocked me is that I'm in Jones I did not expect that from listen I'm on that first team it's time for Kathleen Kennedy to go

she's not she's not a good fit for Lucasfilm anymore that's my but it's not because she's a woman it's because she's not making good decisions as far as overall in my opinion with certain creative choices in my opinion it has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman or putting women in movies Like, you should, you kind of, hey, guys, guess what?

Without women, we ain't here, guys. You know that? You can't just go, hey, I formed. And there's more of them than us. It's like, but either way, it's like there's, it goes back to exactly we were talking about. The loud. Express your opinion in a way that is not just like, She got to go, because she got a female agenda.

No, just say, you can say, I don't like Kathleen Kennedy's creative choices. I think she has to go. And I don't like the new movie because it felt to me this. All right, so if I told you guys this, if I said to this, all right. So I'm not, I don't like, Indiana Jones to me was working. And then the only problem is I think that they, and I don't feel this way, but I'm just saying, this is the case. I feel like they overshadowed Indy with this new character. and to me

where this whole arc of where this character was going to go was overshadowed by his goddaughter and it didn't work for me so I chose so I didn't like it you'd be like okay

would you think that I hate Again nuanced like that's a conversation It's a fair opinion you felt it was overshadowed and I think that the people who are hating it that have seen it

that have seen it that are saying it in a negative way might feel that way that I just expressed it. And it's just like, it just, yeah, it's just, Do you think another factor of the box office is how much spectacle this year is because of the delays? Like this year is extra stacked.

We talked to the beginning of year, how every week is something huge. I'm wondering if whether or not it's superhero, whether Mission Impossible doesn't do as well, Indiana Jones doesn't do as well, certain things don't do as well because everything's so spectacular. Yeah, Fast X. Yeah.

But that's the thing. Because like, I'm not even talking my Bluebeal concerns, my Alchemine concerns. I'm just saying like, spectacle movies because I know for a fact I had a better time walking out of Blackberry because of the spectacle of everything else. I needed something like BlackBerry. It's also streaming, man. It's also, yeah, streaming is killing. It's just, you know, there's, there are certain movies that people really want to see plus, and I just had this conversation yesterday,

when you want to go if you're, if for, for family, right? So you guys, it's like you go and going out on a date and you take, it's still, it's, it's a date night. If you're going to the movies and you're going out, you're taking a lady, you're taking your, you're saving you know, they're out to a date. It's a date night. And it's going to cost you a little bit because it's a date, right? Family add in a little bit more, depending on how big your family is. If I'm going to taking my wife and my two kids, that's about 80, 80 bucks with everything, everything included, maybe more, depending on what it is, depending on how hungry I am and everything else.

But it's, it really, it's, you got to choose. You got to choose. Which one you're seeing that month? So Wicked Art, Wicked Art, by the way, who I bring up to, who did the comic book for us. He's got a family, and he goes to movies, and it's a big event for them. But there's movies that come out. And June was an interesting,

because you had Spider-Verse. You had Transformers. You got The Flash, and you got Indy. And all movies that he and his family wanted to see, but they got to choose, because those are four nights that, like, we're in, again, going back to that bubble, we're in the bubble.

So we're going to be fortunate enough that we get to see all these things. I didn't have A-list growing up. I had to pick. I remember having to pick. remember my family, we couldn't afford to see every movie. We couldn't afford to see like every other movie. It was picking the movie of the summer, maybe three movies in the summer. So I definitely identify with that. I'm curious about actual, I don't consider it supercare fatigue. We talked about

mediocrity fatigue. I do consider spectacle fatigue another factor. I mean, beyond myocry to mountains, I mean, I just the type of movie. I think that mediocrity actually plays into that spectacle thing as well too, because like I said, I enjoyed Indiana Jones. Do I think it's the best Indiana Jones movie? No, do I think it is in Indiana Jones feel more so than the last one, absolutely. Yeah, I agree. But I do think that it is, I think it's mediocre. I don't think it's like, I think it's good,

but maybe a little over mediocre, but it's good, it's not great. And it's, and I don't like the ending. So maybe I would put it in mediocre. Flash is a really good movie and I feel like the ending, after seeing a second time, the ending's like, it's okay, the ending, but it's, to me it's a very, I actually really like the Flash, but I can see where people go, it's kind of mediocre overall in general. Transformers was, was fun to watch, but mediocre.

Across the Spiderverse was very good. Guardians and across the Spiderverse are... But to me, the ones that have stood out are the Blackberry. Yeah. Air. Air. Like, but those movies aren't going to do well in the theater. Right. They're going to do well on Amazon.

But I'll tell you why, though. And this is, this is that whole thing. You, you have had too many suits. You've had too many... I have two. I only bought two of them. Ha-ha. You've had too many suits.

greedy, like, just like money guys, deciding that they needed to be the ones that they're making a lot of these calls. And obviously you run the pocketbooks, but look at how many of these superhero movies that still had spectacle, didn't have to go that hard in the paint and really focused on what was important.

And then people gravitated towards that. Remember also that... By the first $100 million. Yeah, but remember also that the Flash was set in, like, 2016, is when they first announced it or 2017. So by the time they... I mean, that first trailer came out in like 2020 or 2021.

So that was a different one because it was already in... Same thing with Aquaman, too. They put it in the... They put it in the... To go when they didn't really know what their direction was. But I agree with you. I think all these movies are too big. Like, there's no world where Indiana Jones

should have been $300 million. There's no world. And even if it was the greatest movie ever, because it is playing towards a generation... This is playing towards really my generation Who has families that might not go to the theater. A little under, but you got to win the audience back. Putting a 300, that is a colossal error to make that movie 300 million dollars.

Colossal. Because I think it'll break even or even if it makes some money. It's not going to make so much like, oh, massive hit. I don't care how good Mangold is. And Mangold's great. But, like, yeah, that is a massive error. All these movies are two, two. I understand my mission impossible was as big as it was.

And it's so funny because, like I said, I just hold my mission impossible movies with a high standard. I was thinking when I do my Mission Impossible ranking, I'm going to make my next slide also my action franchise ranking for context because I need to explain to people that. But people need to realize that it being where it is in my mission still puts it higher than most action movies.

I know. But it's so hard to quantify that. It's such a spectacle. But I'll say about this without getting to review a mission and we'll move on to another story. But you saw the latest fast. Yeah. There was literally a scene.

Yeah, front fast. I kept thinking about that. That is in mission. It's the same scene. And they had the premiere literally three blocks away from where they had the fast boomer where I was. I went to the fast premiere in Rome. And then like I saw it. I was like,

oh, no. And then I saw the movie. I was like, oh, boy. It's the same exact scene. It felt like a fast and furious thing.

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Creed. That's right. this week, the world of Rocky and Creed expands into comics for the very first time. Creed, the next round, is a brand new comic book series from Boom Studios, MGM, and Michael B. Jordan's production company Outlier Society. The story takes place 10 years after the events of Creed 3. Adonis Creed is out of the ring, but not out of the game as he trains the next generation of champions. It's his daughter, Amara, now an amateur boxer with Bianca by their side as manager. If you saw Creed 3, you kind of saw them kind of teeing this.

up. But with Adonis and Bianca reluctant to pit their daughter against a more dangerous opponent, Amara feels like her career is at a standstill and she's hungry for more. She'll have to find another trainer, someone who's not afraid of defying Adonis, but still knows how to teach her to fight like a Creed. Who's up for the challenge of training a young boxer to become an ex-champion fighter? Creed 3's director, producer, and star Michael B. Jordan served as a creative director on this new original story. He joins Superstar co-writers Latoya Morgan of Into the Badlands and The Walking Dead and Jai Jameson, writer of Superman and Lois, alongside

artist Wilton Santos. This blockbuster new comic also features variant covers by a number of exciting artists, including Boss Lodging. Issue number one of Creed. The next round is available now at your local comic book store. Now, so when they announced this, by the way,

that they were doing Creed, and I saw that Boom was doing it, I was like, this is what we've been talking about. Yeah. This is why Boom's got that name of like, all right, let me check this out. And they got, this is a massive get for them because this is essentially because they're doing a TV show

and this was like the first line it reminds me like the Animatrix Yeah you know where they put out like the animated The game and all that and they kind of led up to the movies This is to me the first step in it It's the comic book to set it up 10 years later And then we don't know where the next movie is going to land Right the next movie could land 15 years into the future

You know whatever it might be It also as much as I don't love it It also gives you if you're Michael B. Jordan and out as far as where Rocky is because at that point, Rocky would probably be Gonsky, which again, I hope that they can patch things up, but we'll say. Either way, this comic was

great. You obi want him. She goes to find him and she's like, are you, Rocky? Rocky, that's your name, a long time. You're a long time. Hey, Polly. Oh, Polly, he's dead.

Force goes Polly's in the second one. I thought this was such an accurate vibe to the movies that you could hear Michael Jordan's voice. Reading it, I rarely hear, like, if Downey is Tony Stark to me as much as he is, I don't hear Tony when I read

a Iron Man comic, I don't. It's just not how I read comics. Ryan Reynolds, I do, because he's Deadpool to me. But when I was reading this, I was like, this is Michael Be Jordan's voice, and I love knowing Michael Be Jordan loves comics that he got to make something in this medium that feels so authentic to not only him, but he loves this franchise. He directed this debut.

So, like, this is boom doing what they do best, which is making a really good original, idea tying it into an IP and then letting creators flourish. And it's the best of all worlds. And I really, I was impressed the art. I was impressed the story. I was impressed the world building. It was, it was so well done. It was so, so well done. And you're right. You can hear since Michael B was creative director on this, you can hear him. You can see the little nuance stuff. I was telling Koi, it's the, it's the very minor things of like, hey, you want to do X,

X, Y, Z? I bet. Like, that seems really silly, but that is someone that genuinely knows the voice of this character, the culture they're in, all that kind of stuff, and it fully translates to the page, and Amara is flourishing as

a teenager, even in the first issue about living up to her father's legacy, but trying to stamp her own way and being very similar, and it is so good. And so you guys can check that out. It's available, and if you're a creed fan, man, yeah, it's special,

and booms onto something good. Coy, anything else you're reading? I'm really, actually, it just came out in a big collection. There's that book I think I told you guys about called Batman One Bad Day, and they're all different anthology stories. So it's if Batman was kind of in the wrong. So if the villains were like a little bit more right, because there's always that psychological study.

And I love every single one of these, but the beautiful thing about them is it's an anthology series where you don't have to read any other comics ever, and you'll even have to read all of them, but they just collected them into a box set. And like, there's this one with Razol Gould where he's basically like, I'm going to take out all the billionaires

ruining the planet and Batman's like you can't kill and so in taking out Rosal Ghul like the planet is screwed so who's more right and then like there's one with the Ridler where it's like the riddler being able to outsmart the world's great detective and they're all individual to each other but they're some of my favorite Batman stories ever and they just collected them it's called Batman One Bad Day

It's hardcover. Awesome So go and check those out for sure and once again thank you to our friends over at Boom Studios so funny when you said one bad day I'll always say The tree? No a collider When I was back. We're a Collider. Fernandez, who owned Collider, Mark Fernandez, there was the old Collider, the one that, before they moved into the warehouse one, the one we used to the old studio.

Yeah, yeah. The bathroom was terrible. It was like this one, there was no windows. It was like this one little closet. It was horrible. It was, we shared it with this other place that, the other guys who were renting it. And Fernandez and I walked into the bathroom one time, and this guy, I mean, whoever's just in there just really, polluted the place, right? So he walked in, and France, to this day, I quote it, and I laugh every time I think about it. I never heard anybody describe it. He goes, oh, somebody had a bad day.

Somebody had a bad day. It killed me. It kills me every single time. So one bad day coming out in stores. All right, let's do one more story, and we can call it a one good day. All right, let's talk about across the spider's, because see this, what's the new one called? Beyond the other. So that one was supposed to come out in 2024, at least March. And then there was a report, which is now defunct in BS that was coming out in 2026. That was from a website that is not accurate. So credible. Yeah.

But it is being pushed back and it's being pushed back until probably late 2024. Is that what it seems like? I think, what's all the drama? I wouldn't date it if I were them. It only puts you in a bad position. I think that I honestly would rather the MCU going forward. I know this isn't the MCU, but I think that them not going to this year's Comic-Con

hopefully sets a precedent of like, stop doing a five-year public slate, have a 10-year in-house slate. I would love if movie studios stopped dating movies so far out. I think it's not fair to the creators. I think it's not smart for the audience expectation. I think it's like binge culture

where like you're rushing through art. Like if you look at a movie, like the bear, the bear right now, I love. I'm watching it slowly because I love it. I don't want to put three years of people's work through in a day. I think movies need to slow down so they can get done right.

And there was all the drama about like, These animators are working seven days a week, 11 hours a day, and all these things. You don't want to go into a position where you're like, well, we put on a date in the calendar. Like that's, I don't think it's, I think it's smart to know in-house. Right. But announcing it puts you in pressure that's not smart. I hope they don't date it. It's a Sony thing, though, too.

But yeah, I agree with you. No, no, I'm on the same page. You got it. Like, I actually, you know, I really give Kalinowski credit where when they announced... Foolish. When they announced Cornswet and Brazzan, and then everybody was like, great. I just want a really good Superman. trilogy. He's like, whoa, why are we already thinking about a trilogy? Can I get one really

heartfelt put in the energy-ass movie? And that's what into the Spider-Verse felt like. And so the last thing that I want, because I felt the same way, even though they were essentially breaking into a part two or planning two more movies, it felt like even with all the stuff that's coming out that across the Spider-Verse had time and energy put into it, I want the same thing to stop telling us, like you said, I don't want to five-year slate. I want you to tell me what's going to happen in the next two years. We're going to do a Superman and a Batman movie. Get ready.

That's all I need. I will deal with the franchise after the fact. And I'm so glad James Gunton didn't date all those announcements. I'm so glad there's no implication of when it could even be. It's where you get me. It sounds that we want to do it. Yeah. And I think that's one of the things that again, Kathleen Kennedy I think did right with the, when they didn't

announce a slate. They announced time periods. And to me that was a very smart move to do. Like, all right, I got Winston and Coy, the new filmmakers are coming in here too. They've done a lot of great things. Hey guys, so we we'd love to work with you guys like what time period do you want to play in. That's great. Well, you know, we really like this idea of what we watch Mangled's movie and we want to play in that old Republic area area, but we want to do like a thousand years after it's interesting.

What's the take? We want to do the New Jedi Order. We want to do the old Republic. It's like, it's like, okay, that to me is as smart as opposed to saying, well, no, we have this movie coming out. That's why I think what was a bad move on our part is doing the whole. and I had someone reach out to me saying, I don't think that's, if I had, she said, I don't think that's what she meant. If I had a dollar for every time I heard, well, I don't think that's what she meant.

And a lot of times it's probably true, but she needs a PR person because she did the whole announcing of the three-year plan with the James, like doing it like James Bond. And we wanted to make these like events and wait, and then they announced they're doing two movies in one year. And how much more excited would we be for Blade

if we didn't have a date move five times? Like, I'm very excited for Blade because of Mahershala, and if Mahershula was the only thing I knew, and then, oh my God, a year later, Mia Gough, not new writer, new director, new, like, I think, I mean, obviously we're in the bubble, but the public announcements cause it to be worse.

So I would love if Kevin Faggie finishes out what he said he's going to do and then not make a big announcement and let us enjoy them two years at a time. And I think Phil Lord and Chris Miller should like, hey, guys, we're really excited for Beyond the Spider-Verse. We'll get it to you when it's done, like when it's ready. Don't tell me when.

And then, like, when it's, you know, a year out, give me a teaser. One of the things that made into the Spider-Verse so successful as like the jumping off point for all of this. I remember being very confused at the time because it got announced the same year that they were announcing far from home. Yeah.

And so I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Are we just about to get a Spider-Man movie? I was like, that looks really cool and that definitely is Miles. But like, okay, there was mystery behind it. Yeah. There is something about part of what I think is really putting a dagger into Hollywood right now.

You are not, you are so, hell bent on building anticipation, I think people forget part of anticipation is mystery. The mystery's gone. You're giving us too much information that really, like you said, should be back of house and we don't get it into you're practically ready to deliver.

That should be the end of it. All right. Well, this is the end of this. It is time to call it a day. We miss out some of the stories, but we did have a lot of great conversations. But before we do, I want to talk to both Winston and Coy, where can a good kids find you? Oh, good.

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