The Kristian Harloff Show - Indiana Jones And The Dial Of Destiny SPOILER Discussion!

Episode Date: July 6, 2023

Join the site! http://www.thekristianharloff.com Indiana Jones and The dial of Destiny is out in theaters now and we have a spoiler heavy discussion about the film. Before we do, we talk Fourth of July and then we get into the disappointing box office for Indiana and how Kathleen Kennedy can survive the box office failure. But we dive into spoilers and then Roxy gives some TV picks. Join us on today's episode of The Big Thing!

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Roxy and I will talk a little bit more about it. We'll talk about the Indiana Jones kind of debacle. And then there's some other things going on, man, in the news. You've got some TV picks that Roxy will be talking about. I'm so curious if Roxy's going to bring you up Silo because everybody that I know is telling me to watch this show Silo, how great it is and it's the best show on TV right now. And yet I have not heard Roxy even peep about it.

But we'll see. Killers O'Flour Moon. I didn't check out the trailer yet, but I'm waiting. But I'm probably going to have to dive in there and check it out. I don't know. Fox was talking about Independence Day 2 and why it was such a stink bomb. And then we'll actually get into real aliens

because I went into this report. I don't know if you guys saw this thing that happened in Vegas in like April. The thing that happened with the aliens, it's like if you don't believe that this shit is going down, I don't know what to tell you. Then you're my wife because it's,

there's aliens among us and I'll talk about that. Have you guys heard about the story yet? This Vegas story? Okay, you wait to tell you. Sometimes I think I'm your wife because I don't fuck. I'm telling you, man. You got no idea what's about to happen in this show.

You have no idea what's about to happen. Oh, yeah, I guess. And following that, it was great transition. Benders and Comeabatch is coming back for Dr. Strange. So there's last of us part three story rumors that we'll talk about. And that's it. I mean, there's a lot to talk about, but it's going to be pretty crazy. Join us on the show today.

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It's me. It's Roxy, and it's a crazy man, Brett. Let's do it. What up, everybody? Welcome back. Big thing. Thursday. Now, I don't know if it's going to be good luck or bad luck that Brett's back.

But Roxy, last week, you and I together did around 30,000 views alone. I saw that. So I'm wondering if Brett's going to ruin it. Yeah. He's back. I ruined everything. No beard. No beard. Nice to have you back, Brett.

So you're in a mood today, huh? Oh, just fun. I'm excited to be back. I miss you guys a lot. No, I missed you too, buddy. It's nice to have you back. Roxy, did you miss Brett? It did. Nice. I think that's authentic. No, I did. I did, yeah. But I also like it all the ways.

Oh, uh-oh. Brad, hold back. Oh, oh. I like the hosting of the show with the ways. I love when Brett's here. I love doing it, the two of us. I love the three of us. I love when we do the two of us. I love the show.

I love the show. I love the show. How is New York, right? Tell us about it. New York City, the city that should actually sleep sometimes, I think. Sometimes why not? Did you party, Hardy? I didn't, I did some partying, but I also did a lot of working, and it was rainy a lot,

and there was a lot of swamp ass going on, but yeah, it was a long trip. It was a long trip. It's a lot. Yeah. I mean, I went, I went, first thing, I went. Grateful Dead concert, comedy. How was the Dead concert in New York? It was so good.

It was good. I heard they did Shake Down Street the night that you were there. I'm so fucking bummed. It was so great. I'm happy for you, but I'm sad for me. We got to win tickets to the San Fran final tour. Okay, how are we winning on? I don't know when it is.

What do you have to do? Take your pants off? Yeah, you take your pants off and show your wiences. You know, weans. I got told to show a little fucking class. Oh. So he comes in. Bless you, Rox.

That was a mousy. sneeze. So he comes in today and he goes, someone told me to show a little class. And I was like, when we were in New York, fans are coming up telling people show class. I was like, oh, but it wasn't a fan. No. Tell a person. No, tell the story. We're in Central Park. I was doing some man on the street stuff for this other show. I'm doing aboveboard TV. Bobboard. That was not disgusting. Yeah, anyway. And I'm trying to try to plug it. There's some stuff coming out. Oh, I'm telling you, I did some hilarious shit and I'm really proud of it. And I want to, I'll tell you when it comes out.

But anyway, I'm on, I've got this tiny little pink microphone. Did you see that thing I did? And I'm trying to get interviews from people. And I'm like, oh, check it out. Jazz Man, you want to do an interview? And he just turned his back to me. And I go, I guess Jazz Man doesn't want to do an interview. A guy playing a sax in the park.

And he goes, well, if you showed a little fucking class and tipped, maybe I'd be in your interview. Did that make it onto the actual thing? Oh, okay, great. Yeah. So we'll just blur his face out. There's a thing in New York where actually you can put anybody, like, if you're in public, you can be filmed. Right. Like, there's no, you don't have to get

released. It depends where you are. Hey, listen, you show up in the park and the, uh, look, the, the squirrels have fucking cameras, the, uh, the cops have them, the hot dog vendors have them. Because you don't even know, the hot dog vending, he takes a little break, take your, take his shit and

whatnot, and somebody comes in and does something to his to his water. You know, the next thing you know, it's a mutant lizard running around then taking over the city, we need Spider-Man. And Spider-Man's not real, but the lizard is, you know what is. He's got a, he's got a, flaffleaf. He's flaccid. It's weird that there are different laws in different states.

Yeah. No. No, really, no, I, and. It's just weird. Yeah, it is. It is. These two New Yorkers talking about lizard creatures. Roxy goes, I have to fix Roxy's shot.

Keep it on. I just think it's weird because, you know, like, in some states, you can record a phone call with one party consent. In some states, you can't. And in some states you can film somebody. Some states you can't. And you don't know where. In Massachusetts, you can have sex with somebody who's 16. Yeah.

I'm not suggesting. I know what you're saying. I'm just saying that's so bizarre. And then you drive over state lines and then you can't. Like, why it's in the whole country is the one nation? I don't know. It's under everybody. Yeah.

Yeah. Lots of stuff going on here today, guys. But yeah, we were in New York. We had a good time. There was a couple weeks ago, but still it was. I wish I was there. It was good. And I'll tell you this, two things. Both Brett's brother was mad at me, and I'm convinced that his wife doesn't like me.

In New York? In New York, his brother got mad at me, but I'm convinced in general that his wife doesn't like me. Why? It's like every time we invite them to things, they don't want to come. What happened? This is the Fourth of July thing? Fourth of July, they had RAROSCP, and say, we'll be here. And then we're going out of town.

No, this is what happened. And I knew I was going to get shit about this. I was going to go to. He didn't come at all. I was going to go to Nebraska. Let him, he can defend them. Right. And that trip got canceled, so then my wife made plans with our friends that we've been doing

Fourth of July with since my kids were babies. And actually before I... But you did say you weren't doing that this year. Yeah. Because you were going to. Right. And then she lined it all up and I'm like, oh, well, we were going to do the... Man, she said, I don't want to do that.

I don't like him. Well, no, it's the kids. The kids, they grew up with our friend's daughter. So it's like, I'm going to... It's like Ted Cruz over here. Do you want to go to a party with him? The bunch of strangers? The kids grew up with your friend's dog.

Kids, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I like that you followed that eventually. I like that it connected. It's my goddaughter. Yeah. I mean, like, yeah, we've been doing fourths since they were babies. I've been to those parties.

Yeah, yeah. You weren't invited this time, though. No. Brett doesn't invite me to this. Well, they're in Pasadena. That's nothing to do with anything. Pasadena is far. It's far.

It's rough. It changed the whole game plan. But no, it's not that. It's just, it's, again, you know, hey, you want to go to a party? with a bunch of strangers or hang out with your friend that you've known since you were a baby. To the kids. Yeah.

Let's say again. It's like that's what Ted Cruz did. He blamed it on the kids. That's what you do. It was when they had to go, there was like the storm, whatever, and he took the kids away to, you shouldn't have been.

Oh, I was still. Yeah. Yeah. I blamed it all my kids. Don't be political. I didn't say anything about politics. No, my kids made me miss everything too. Yeah.

They did. Is that the reason why you weren't here? I wasn't here because of my kids. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, who knows how hammered you got last night.

Dierying and then Little Bobby was. Oh, little Bobby. Not well, you know, he was acting up. What's, any, any prospects from yesterday's? For kids? Yeah. No, no. Listen, yesterday.

You didn't judge on that little, uh, little tripod you were doing? You couldn't jump on one of those fellows or? My God. Your little pyramid. Oh, oh. It looked like some attractive gents. Oh, yeah, they're gorgeous. Those are my homies.

I love them. Oh, so tripod. tripod. I mean, I don't feel like, you couldn't get a little rifle tower with those two gents?

Oh. Something's wrong with you. Yeah. Yeah. I've been away from my wife for a few ways. It'll do it.

This is what happens when you, I, like, I think I'm, I'm like the girl that's always friends with all the guys and then they're all my friends.

That's tough. I don't, I don't, honestly, I've said it before. I do not get that. Because if you just said, like, hey, do you not want to be friends anymore? I guarantee, like, do you think it's something?

Yeah, but that's a problem. I think she's probably also because they're so locked in now to being friends. She doesn't see them that way. Like my, the guy's house was yesterday, one of them, you know, we grew up together back east. It's like forever, forever. And so we just don't look. It's like that sibling relationship. Like you can, you both admit you're both attractive, but it's not there.

I get it. I get it. Yeah. But that's a movie romance. That's like a... It doesn't work that way. Movies are fake, bro. This one guy...

You know... What if he took off his glasses? And then you'd be like, you've been right there in front of me. Some movies are fake. Some movies are real. Documentaries. I had two women last night ask me if I was a porn star. I was very honored by that question.

Yeah, because, you know, how do you answer when people say, what do you do? Yeah. What do you say? Well, yesterday, I actually did get that question. My mother-in-law was talking to... her friend, she's like, I have the hardest time telling people what you do. And she's telling her friend, I go, nobody knows. I walked away.

It's hard to answer. So, like, oftentimes I'll try not to sound arrogant and then I sound really pretentious. So I'll say something like, I'm on camera, and then I sound cagey. And then they're like, what do you mean? I'm like, oh, like, I'm talent. And that's the worst. Yeah. So what are you doing, showing your asshole?

Yeah, that's what it sounds like. but what am I supposed to say? Show my asshole. This is what you should have said. I show my asshole. That's the only answer, by the way. When next time someone says, what do you do? I show my asshole because it's so like vague.

Is it vague? I feel like it's very specific. Not necessarily. What are you showing? Maybe it's your inner asshole. Maybe it's like your actual asshole. You know, one really knows. Oh, you mean not a literal asshole.

Yeah, you don't know. Yeah. I show my asshole and then walk away. But don't say anything else. Yeah. I show my asshole and then turn and walk. away. Sometimes you can turn with a smile. Sometimes you can turn matter of fact.

Sometimes just give my... Right. True it into the camera. Show my asshole. Right. No, I was just on one yesterday. I was on... I've been... It was a bender. How'd you respond to that, though? Stick with the porn star stuff. Well, that was the end of it. Then they say, oh, are you in porn? And what you said?

No. Straight up asked you if you were in porn. Yeah, because I think it sounds weird when I say, I'm on camera, I'm talent. I sound like I'm like fucking hiding something. Not that porn star's need to hire. You understood the reason they asked. Yeah, and, and this has happened to me forever where I, the way I phrase it, I don't know how to, like, when I tell people like, I'm a host and an actress, it's like. Right. Who else? Who is it? Yeah, totally. So it's just like,

I don't even, most times I start with, I'm in the entertainment industry, and then they ask more questions, and it's like, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why, so they both asked how the porn story, I say, no, but thank you. Oh, that's fair. I don't think you would ask somebody that if you didn't, weren't complimenting them. Or didn't think that they could hang in porn. Right, totally. So I don't take it. I take it as I should.

No, they thought you took it. They definitely did. I found that kind of be a rude question a little bit. Because I mean, not that being a porn star is a bad thing, but like to just say that straight out, like, oh, are you in porn? Because, I mean, were they, or were they excited about asking? Like, they wanted to ask more, like, follow-up questions. Don't you think you would assume, so, Brett, you're at a bar.

Yeah. You ask somebody what they do. They say, I'm in the industry. And you say, what do you do? And they say, I'm on camera. And you say, what do you do? And they say, I'm talent. So you're, are you thinking that they're going to, are you going to be offended if they

jump to, are you in porn? Yeah. So it seemed like you were, you were skating around it. And therefore, they just went for it. I think so. Okay. I get that. Follow up questions.

Like, I'm sure they wanted to ask more and probably were disappointed when she said no. Yeah. Yeah. Because, you know, because maybe they wanted to ask. question. Maybe they wanted to get into the industry. Oh, I met this badass girl last night. I'm piecing it all together right now. She was in the Army.

Wow. You know, you never know when you meet people. No, sometimes people lie to you, so I don't know. She was on leave from the Army. She's going back. She was so dope, so cool. And she, like... Is she hitting on you? I think maybe?

100% of it, yeah. Which was exciting for me. I turned around and she was gone. She was gone, just like that. Yeah, just like that. That's a movie. She was really cute. Yeah.

Missing actions. Yeah. Totally. So you just got, you got shit housed. Yeah, I got fucking house because the thing about me is that I don't have kids or anybody to go home to. That you know of. That I know of.

So I'm always the person, if somebody else wants to stay out drinking longer, I'm always the one that they ask. So you're super fun in Vegas is what you're saying. I'm the best time everywhere because I love to go have a good time and I love to drink. Sure. Like I love to go out. Yeah. So it just ended up where it was like a 50 stop night.

I mean, like just kept going and kept going. We ended up at a pool hall. And I like, fuck with pool. I'm pretty decent. So let me tell you something. I'm listening to this. Yeah. Is that born you?

No, no, no. It just reminds me of like if we would have had this conversation years ago, I'd be like, yeah, absolutely. it just makes you realize that I hated everything you just said. Not for you. Not for you. Not for you. I'm kind of over it too, Christian, but what is my alternative? 100%.

I was playing in the same game. I'm just saying after comparing to what I did last night as compared to you. So much more fun. We had a barbecue here. We were hanging out. And it was like a nice 25, 30 person barbecue, right? Good conversations all the way around. By the end of it, it was, it was,

Riley, his wife, Winston, his girlfriend, me and my wife and my two kids, and we went to the park. And there was tons of people out in this field watching fireworks. First time that the kids really got a chance to see fireworks up that close. Riley took his fucking drone. And when I show you these pictures, I'll play some of it on the video of how close we were just watching it. He took his drone, and I want to get the footage, and flew it right next to where the fireworks were going off. The thing could have blown up. You hear us in the background

on the Instagram video that I posted out. And both my daughter and my wife were like, drone is going to blow up. He's, I can't imagine what this footage looks like. He took it that close.

So we were watching, we stayed until like 11 o'clock. Took a rumble blanket. Take a rumble blanket. They're not even a sponsor today. They're not even sponsored today, but we took the rumpled blanket and we laid on the ground,

and it was just so relaxing. Were these LA official fireworks or no? I think so, yeah. I think so because it was like the show started like nine o'clock and we were just watching it and it was it was awesome and it was just like to me that was like the most chill July 4th but I go back to when I was playing in your game and I was like I wanted to be out until two in the morning what you're doing though is what I want to be doing but you don't want to be doing it until you've got the right person yeah it's just like but at the same thing guys and it's the same

thing guys and girls are so different like you had so much fun I had so much fun right I could have had the same at your age I could have the same night you did. Same experience, having that much fun, but would have been a bust for me had I not gone home with someone. Really? Yeah, because to me it's like guys and girls are just, I mean, in that,

I'm not saying that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying. You know, you know, you know, to you, you didn't need to go to go to anybody, but you had a good time with your friend. You left around. I'm like, shit. Yep. Yep. And, uh, yeah. We were always chasing tail. Yep. And, uh, yeah. Speaking of chasing tail. Yeah, go ahead. Uh, our sponsor today,

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So the thing is that How do you feel about all this Indiana Jones So when you said that the intro I was like what is he talking about? It's eating shit It's a movie cost $300 million to make I mean I'll tell you What the box office is on it right now

as of the holiday weekend or whatever. It doesn't help that it's like go see the movie Thursday, Friday, Saturday, go back to work on Monday, then go see it on Tuesday, and then go back to work. It's like Indiana Jones, and I think on Monday did $12 million. So overall right now, this is as we're taping this on Wednesday, it costs $300 million to make. It's made $130 million. Without the marketing. Without the marketing.

So it probably has to. to make about close to 500 at least to break even. At least. That's very bad. That's very bad. And it's going to be as bad as the Flash. Here are my thoughts. Go ahead.

I didn't dig this movie like you guys did. Oh, no, I felt attacked by your post. Yeah, it's true. The older guy. I didn't say that, but my older guy, I said, my friends who are men who are older love this. I wouldn't say love, but I'd say enjoy. Even my brother, I'm not calling him old.

He's two years old. Right. My brother, he enjoyed it. He enjoyed it. Yeah. And I, it was okay. This is too long. So it's having a hard time making my, they can't even show it enough because it's so

fucking long. And it doesn't have good press around it right now. Agreed. And it costs 300 million dollars to make. And kind of when you give me that figure, I watch this movie and I'm like wondering what cost $300 million. The end. The end alone costs way too much money.

People, if you watch yesterday's show, they're going to be bored with me saying this, but so you know where I'm coming from. The Indiana Jones movies in general have always had big swing, mystical things happen in every one of them. Oh, that end. I thought you meant that like... Not at the very, very, but like, the kind of

climax of the story. Yeah, yeah, I get it. And in the... Indiana Jones is the Last Crusade. There's a mystical thing that happens where they... Indies, got to go through these things where he's got to, the little games if you will, or he's got to... Dependent of man.

Dependent a man must pass, and he's got to jump over. The pendant of man must pass from the through. But these little things that are happening that he's got to do. That basically little quizzes, or he's going to die, but he's got to do it. It's like, you know, in 1989, probably cost money, but not enough to where it's on set, practical.

And then he walks into the cave, and there's this old night. It's been there for a thousand years, or whatever the hell he's been. And the music swells, and he's like, he chose poorly. It's not a big, huge, over-the-top CGI fest. It's just a powerful moment that worked. And they threw at least $50 million, at least into this ending scene, which is crazy town.

Of the new one. Of the new one. Crazy town that they did this. And it was like, and so that the second. And it's most people's least favorite part of the movie. It's definitely mine. It's just like to spend all that money on something that nobody's talking about like, oh my God, you have to see it for this moment.

That's brutal. That's brutal. This is a, hopefully this is a lesson to Hollywood, though, because they're seeing what's happening with the Flash. We're seeing what's happening with the flash. They're seeing what's happening in movies right now. And the budgets on these movies is just ridiculous. They're so ridiculous.

No, they won't learn. They won't learn. Because the reason why, I was talking to Lonzo Dorale about this, because it's the greed behind it. How come you never knows who I am? Happened again? Like every time I'm high. Really? I don't get it.

I gotta make a better impression on him. What do I do? I'll send him this clip. Okay. I'm gonna send him this clip. I just like him and want him to know me. I love Alonzo. I remember when I see him.

He's the only person that I get sad if I don't talk to him at a screening. He was sitting behind you at Mission Impossible and I was sitting in front of you. And I turned up and I waved and he just nothing back. I want to go. And this is not me to out him about like. I just want him to laugh. And I'm sure he does. Again, he's just, he's very focused on, you know, watching a movie doing his thing.

And he's, I, because he wrote his holiday book also. I want to go to, like, one of their Christmas parties. Like, he's just someone that, I just feel like he's like someone you want to be around on Christmas. Yes. But he's so, he's so great. Step one. Get him to notice.

Get notice you first. But where did that come from? Where were we were talking about? How did I start a little bit of all that? You said that you were talking about why the movies won't make a different. Yes. So why the movies won't make money and he said it too is because the The problem is that instead of, and we were both on the same page, that they should scale down on budget, put in a lower budget like a, you look at like John Wick, right?

John Wick is like 125, 130, whatever it cost to make the last one. And it made like $400 million overall. That's a big, massive profit. But then you look at something like Black Adam, which made $500 million or whatever it did, but it costs like $300 or $250 to make plus the marketing, so it barely broke even or whatever it did. So it wasn't worth the swing. because these studios, what they do is because they were so tied up in the Marvel craze

during like 20, when they were really, every superhero movie was making like a billion dollars, right? And they're so caught up in the fact that and even Fast and Furious was making a billion, and Jurassic World made a billion.

They're like, if we put in this money and then we can make a billion dollars, the industry is not working like that right now at all. And they're, because the Lord of Avatar just did it and Mario just did it. Yeah, but it's not, How much money did Mario cost to make? I mentioned that $200 million.

How much money did the Super Mario Brothers? That is a question. I think it probably did cost $200 million. Let's say, Super Mario Brothers. You think it's less than 200 mil? Yes. I think it's $200 million. I say $150 million is the budget.

Wow. $100 million. Good job. They made a billion dollars. Wow. That's my point. That is my point. And across the Spiderverse, like $120 to make.

Yeah, but you've been hearing about all that. Yeah. I know the stuff behind it, but whatever it might... What? I haven't talked about movies and television in a week and a half. I know. I don't know what you're taught. What's the stuff about that?

The VFX artists were... It's the thing you sent me. The VFX artists have just been like... You sent it. Not across the Spider-Verst, but he sent me something about the Flash, where there's this guy on Instagram that was basically... I worked on it, and they... The studios basically, they overworked the VFX,

but they don't give a shit about the movie. They care about... All right, we have X amount of shots. that we need to, that we need to make happen, and they send out the bids to the company, and the VFX company is because we can get it done these many shots with this budget in this amount of time. They get the job. And that's what they do to these companies. And then because of it, the VFX artists are run into the ground because of it. And that's what has been happening. And one of the main reasons is because they go for these $300 million

budgets when it's like scale the fuck back. Yeah. I'm shocked at the Mario, movie was only 100 mil. That's great. I mean, not only. Joker was like 70 mil or something, right? Made a billion dollars. Yeah, but those are smaller budgets for big budget movies now. Yeah. Like, and that's what you should do.

Because the problem is what they do is they think, oh, we throw, let's throw a little extra money in it and not worry about the story itself and the characters itself. Because if they threw more story and stuff like that into it, like, oh, people are, they don't trust the audience's attention span. And I understand in the TikTok age, I get it. but you've got to, like, it is, like, I'm an Indiana Jones fanatic. You know that. Stan.

Yes. I would have fired whoever brought in this movie cost $300 million to make. Yes. That's crazy. What about, didn't everything everywhere all at once? Wasn't it like $35 million to make or something? Right. That's exactly.

I just don't understand how you can make a movie like that for that budget, and then you need a $300 million budget for an Indiana Jones movie. Like, we all saw that movie and saw what it looked like. Yeah. It's just, did you see it? Yeah. Yeah. No, and I didn't, and I honestly, I didn't feel that.

25 million, by the way. It's just crazy. I think everybody should have seen it with, yeah, John Williams in an orchestra. Because you kind of forget about everything when you're, it was my first premiere. It was my first, you know, been like, I was in a zone. No, no, the Indiana Jones. Yeah, John Williams was performing everywhere all of a one. I thought you asked me if I liked that one.

No, I haven't seen everywhere all at once. And I'm bummed that I haven't seen it in the theater because I know that that would have been a... Yeah, I just, I think it's wild. It looks amazing. Some people maybe don't like the story or whatever. I loved it, obviously, but I just think it looks incredible. It looks like a Marvel movie. And a $25 million budget, I don't get it.

But it could have gone to shit, too. I mean, like... It could have, but 25... And they didn't know what kind of wide release it was going to get. But yeah, I mean, I just wish it would have... back on us I always talk about Terminator Man like the new like I hope that the problem was with James Cameron is

if because apparently James Cameron has a new take on Terminator that he would do it when he would have the time to do it because he's going to be working in Terminator for the next 10 years whatever Avatar I mean Avatar excuse me um he um his take would probably be big again because look at his budgets

with Avatar I just want to see like the old school Terminator one vibe where it's like ill or like pray I keep using pray as an example and go to like a $60 million budget for Terminator and focus on the story and focus on like, you know,

don't worry about the big... It's a Indiana Jones thing. It's like the end of it. They build up this thing like, well, we don't trust enough of how we feel. So here's this big ending. Yeah.

And here's this big... It's a crazy... Like, I don't love the ending at all. So this is the beginning. I do it. But people love the end ending. The last scene is fantastic. And that's...

That's the heart of... That's what makes you leave with. That's what you leave with. That's probably cheapest season. Yeah. Yes. And that was the heart of this whole thing. And that was the way to end it.

But yeah, I totally agree. Like, you could have just... I mean, it was more about it. Here's this guy. He's on, he's at the end of it, you know? I'll tell you what we're going to do. We're going to call an Audible here. And I'm probably going to wind up doing a...

I'm probably going to lead with this and put it as a thumbnail now that I think about it. Okay. My face is going to, no matter what it is. This is going to be my thumbnail face. Oh, that's nice. I don't think it will be. Oh. Because, let's say, you change your thumbnail face right now.

We'll look into it. You're looking into the camera. Okay. I'm going to do this. I'll actually put this on the thumbnail. So was this. I'm going to tell you what it is. Okay, that's, stay like that.

Stay like that. And I'll tell you what the topic is going to be now. Ready? Indiana Jones in the Dial of Destiny's Spoiler Review episode. Hmm. There you go. Okay. So that's Roxy's thumbnail.

All right. That's how you feel. So, I feel it's, so basically, for people who haven't seen the movie now, you know. Now you're known. I'm saying, how you're doing? Now you know. Gonna do spoilers. Hey, hey.

I saw a whip. I touched my lip. And I know I'm going to have some quips about the movie. Now you know. We're going to talk movies, not a TV show. It's time to talk about old ass in the. And Phoebe Wallabrid, who everybody loved this kid and I know. All right.

Oh, they didn't. Oh, the audience did not. Really? I did. I did. I did. I did. I really like her.

I think she reminds me of martini. Do you remember martini? Yeah, you told me. I think we talked about that. That's why. I think, so I think she is a great job. Yeah, she did. She's a great actress.

I think she's a bit of an asshole, her character. It's just not her fault. No, no, no, it's not. The criticism that I agree with is that she is kind of, a turd for a while and then out of nowhere. Absolutely the writing. She did what she's supposed to do. She's a turd for a lot of it.

And then it's like, hey, don't be a turd anymore. Okay. There's no really reason behind it. But anyway, the point is we'll get into this now. So for those people who are, like, people are asking me to do a spoiler review of Indiana Jones, and I was like, I don't know, I was going to watch it. So I was like, you know what?

Let's do it big thing. See if anybody watches it. So we'll do spoiler review. This is it. So you can do time codes also. So let's get into it. not enough boobs. Yeah.

Do you know what I said to Brett, by the way, too? I said, hey, do you mind? Because I remember, thank God I remember doing this. I was like, do you mind if we did a spoiler review of Indiana Jones undialed destiny today? What do you think my reaction? I don't know, but your daughter is spraying this window with some. Which one is it? A little one?

No. Is it the older one? What she's spraying it with? I don't know. She came running and then saw it and then ran. Makes sense. Let's tell you what. Stop it.

This is what I deal with. Sorry. Okay, what was your response? Do you don't remember it? No, I just kind of was like, wasn't quite,

didn't register, and I just kind of looked at him like, yeah, I was like, do you mind if we do a spoiler review? I'm like, why would he mind? And, oh,

he thinks I didn't see it. And I'm like, I went to the premiere with you. Oh, totally forgot that you saw it. Yeah. Yeah. And I was thinking that you guys,

both had seen it. I had not. I knew that you had seen it, but I forgot that Brett had seen it, and then I realized that that's just... Very not memorable date. Apparently, you don't put out. I don't remember anything. So, but anyway, let's get into the spoilers. Overall, the beginning of the movie

to me, what I loved about it was, like, going into this movie, you got to remember, I'm going, are we getting Crystal Skull here again? I was like, probably not because it's mangled. So I'm okay here. And we didn't get Crystal. Not at all. To me, this is way better than Justice Skull. Some people disagree. I think it is

way beyond. It's the fourth best Indiana Jones movie, in my opinion. But go in there, and this moment starts, and the moment itself, the writing itself, the way that it's shot, the music, all of it. It's about as Indiana Jones as you get. Absolutely. Really cool

conceptually. However, the de-aging whips you out of it. Unbelievably distracting. It's like such a cool moment and everything that's happening and you just get right into it. I'm like, oh, this is an Indiana Jones movie and then every time I see his face in the movie whatever it is I'm like

it's jarring oh my god it feels like a it felt like a YouTube video agreed and it's like a video game and it's like and there are times that like when he's standing still and you just have him where he's just either standing still or sitting and he can just hold on his face you're like okay I see where they're going oh wait he turned he turned it looks it's not real it's not real and I just in my head going I didn't do you Steve fake why didn't they use deep fake why didn't he use deep fake Part one, part two. Do you think that they don't think that the audience cares or notices? What do you think is the actual?

I think it goes back to what we're just talking about with the VFX. There's so much that they can do and how much they can work on. There's probably one team that's working on this. And then, yeah, I think it's the older generation of producers. They'll be fine with that. They'll understand. There's only so much we can do. It's like, you guys just fucking did Mark Hamel in Bobafet and it looked great.

Why didn't she use deep fake? That's part one. Part two. When are they going to learn, whether it's, Indiana Jones or Robert De Niro and the Irishman, these guys are 80 years old. They sound and move like they're 80 years old. It's like, oh, come on, let's get off the train. You're like, that sounds like, if you're going to use AI, use AI, use AI, use the AI voice.

Use a young Harrison Ford voice. If you're going to go all in with the tech, go all in. Don't half ass it. Why did they even have flashbacks in this? I thought it was necessary. You did? I did. As much as they did?

Yes, I thought it was necessary because I think, I think that because I think because you were so taken aback from the de-aging. It set up the dial. I mean, that's the whole. I kind of wish I would rather him have sat down and told the story to set it up. Like young Indiana Jones style? Like, yeah, for a two-second moment and just get it done with because. Well, they've always done flashbacks.

They did that with River Phoenix. Absolutely. But it added to the length of this movie significantly and didn't look good. It's hard to argue with the didn't look good part of it because Or the added length to it. It added like 25 minutes to this movie. That didn't bother me because it felt, because I was like, I feel because I know what they're going for and I feel the indie that I loved portion of it.

I feel that. It was an homage to the old Spielberg stuff, but it was just jarring. And I immediately said to myself, okay, you got to accept this. Right. You know, and then just, yeah, it was hard, but it was like, okay, you got to accept this. Let's just watch the action sequences. And I thought the action sequences were fun. Yeah.

I mean, there was... Old school sound effects and all that. And I mean, yeah, of course, it was like, oh, no, his head's going to get smushed between the train and a rock. You know, it was all the stuff, right. You know, the hat getting pushed down. And, you know, so, yeah, I had fun with that. But I think, like you said, if you did the deep fake on it, it would have been 100% better. Well, Mike also said yesterday on yesterday's show is that if you're going to do an old nostalgic movie like this, shoot it like an old nostalgic movie.

Like the modern day filmmaking portion of how they tried to do it with a lot of the filmmaking isms, you know, the certain ways that they almost tried to shoot like a Marvel movie or DC movie a couple times throughout this movie with the over amount of CGI and all that. And not just for the deaging which if you're going to go that route is necessary, obviously. But like just certain things that they were doing. It's like, no, scale it back. Go old school and cut out $100 million, $100 and even $200 million. If someone was this movie, it cost $200 million. I just like, whoa.

But anyway, so they set up the dial of destiny stuff. They de-age Mad Nicholson as well, which I thought looked better than indie. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. I guess. Too distracting for you. He was distracting, but also I think that Matt Nicholson was wasted in this movie. I don't understand why they didn't.

I sound more negative than I actually mean because this movie was totally okay to me. It was not horrible. It was absolutely serviceable, but it's like. But the potential was there and they didn't utilize it. Yeah, like, why didn't he have to have emo hair the whole time, man? Like, why? I don't understand that. And then, like, also, I think it was super lazy writing.

We know he's bad because he's a Nazi. All Nazis are bad. However, we didn't actually watch him do much bad shit, except for, like, kind of sit there and be menacing. And it's like. Right. And I also want to know how he survived that fall off the train. And we don't even address it.

At all. Like, he wasn't, like, it would have been one thing if he was, like, hobbling and moving. Like, he was fine. No, his face. should have been dented. If he hit that thing with that speed. Dead, first of all. Yeah, dead.

Second of all, the way, not only he didn't hit at that speed, landing on the way that he did. I wanted to see if take, like, his glasses, shades off, and there'd be, like, something notched out. If you're going to go old school bond type stuff of what this was all supposed to be in the first place. But that's my point. You see, like, the kind of Marvel superhero kind of stuff

where it's like, you know, people, I mean, the villain in Raiders burns his hand, and he's got that scar at the, He's got that scar at the end of it. It's like that old school kind of serialized 1930s type stuff. But nonetheless, they set it up, they get there. And then we fast forward and we see Indy kind of where he is. And this is a criticism that a lot of people had that I don't share.

And that's like they didn't want to see. I think they kind of have PTSD from like what happened to Luke, right? Like Luke's kind of an old grouchy man. Indy's retiring and just. I like that. I liked that as well. I thought to me it made more sense that Indy would because it was like an old athlete that just wasn't in the game anymore.

and then since then has just not really had much to do. And it was endearing to me because Indy was never about it for the fame and fortune. So it shows that if you are in it for just getting these artifacts and trying to get them in a museum and stuff, you are going to be an old poor professor. You're not going to be. And I like that they added kind of sadness of what we ultimately find out happened to Mutt and we find out, you know,

because I would have liked Karen Allen to be in more of it. And now, again, that we're doing spoiler. The last scene is the best part of the entire movie. Tear to my eye. It's powerful. It works. It's great.

Why wasn't she in more of it? I think because they probably, if you asked Mangold, the answer to that question, I don't want to mean to speak for James Mangold, but what I would guess is that because that moment was so powerful because you didn't see her at all

by the time you get there. It's like, there is something also to be said. I think there's a way to say it that you don't come off as, you know, mouth-breedy, but I think that there is something to be said about, I wish that Indy would have kind of come to that conclusion on his own that he needed to come back instead of getting punched in the face. Completely.

By, you know, the new hero, whether it's a woman or a man who gives a shit. At that point, I was just glad he came back, though, because there's one moment where, honestly, I thought we were going to leave him there. But it didn't make sense. That was my problem. He has always been, Indiana Jones has always been, Don't fuck with history. Make sure that things are put together.

Yeah, I want to get it in the museum. But it's like honor this shit. Don't look at it, Mary. And he's talking about the arc. I'm going to stay here and fuck up time. No. He wouldn't do that. And it's clearly to get her to be redeemed to make sure she gets them back.

And plus, how the hell do they lug his fucking ass back up? You know, to, so it was, it was, as you said, a little lazy. It was like, that's why I didn't like the ending because I'm like, all right, they go back through time. and then it's just like, here's that guy, the, what's his face? His buddy? Archimedes. Archimedes, yeah.

He's supposed to be the knight from Last Crusade in this. And like that whole thing where it's like, the reveal, because they clear the way they were revealing how brilliant he was and all this. And again, it was presented in this Marvel way. He's also Loki the villain of the movie.

I mean, what the hell? He invented this dial only to bring people back to this wartime to try to say, like, what the fuck? I don't know if that was necessary. I mean, he was trying to figure out of it. Well, because the problem was also the reveal. It only came back to there.

Did you know right away, though, once the watch was there, that Archimedes was, that you knew right away that that, that was going to be when they went in. Time travel was going to happen. Well, it was time travel, but also like, oh, well, that watch is clearly from one of our, the people that are going back, and it was, what's his face. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, all of that, like, the ending I was not a fan of. But I was, I was a fan of. But I was a fan of. the chasing scenes and those indie moments, that's stuff with Bandaris, the water stuff was awesome. The water stuff was awesome. The ocean stuff.

Oh, yeah, yeah, I like that too. The ocean stuff was awesome. And I like the reading of the, like, when Phoebe Waller Bridges' character is like, what that means is this and translating and all that stuff, I thought that totally worked. Well, that was the thing, the two pushbacks that, I guess, pushing back and agreeing at the same time, was that people were like, oh, well,

Indy was never overshadowed by a woman. I'm like, well, did you see Raiders? It was a lost lost arc. I mean, Marion and Allison Dutty in the, yes Brett, duty, in the third movie and and Karen Allen again in the fourth movie, there's always been a strong

woman who's been like right there with him to kind of get him on his, get him on his shit. He's always been, but there, but the pushback also was that sometimes it did, I don't think that the movie completely pushed in a perspective that was just her, but I think sometimes he got a little overshadowed. Like there was a couple

times I felt like, oh, they're pushing him back a little bit and then he Then he jumped back into the frame. But it was like there was a couple times that they were doing that, but the argument could be Harrison Ford's 80 years old, and he can't carry the movie himself. You know, that's maybe the problem, then don't do another indie movie. How did you guys feel about the little kid?

I thought he's fine. He thought he's fine. I think they tried to use him for like a short-guns. Short-round. Short-round type thing. And he was fine. Yeah. I mean, I forgot there was a kid in it.

I was like, wait, little kid. So he was one of the main characters and didn't add anything to the whole movie for me. So it wasn't necessary. I don't think you need them. I don't think you needed them. Just because for me, one of the main problems of this is how long it is, because it feels so long. Right. Didn't have that problem with Mission Impossible.

Do have that problem with this. Where I'm sitting there thinking how much longer. Right. And there was so much to cut and the whole character I thought could be cut. Did you immediately think with Phoebe that it was going to be kind of, I thought it was going to go a changing of the guard kind of she was going to be the new Indy. That's what I thought. That's what the rumor was. I'm glad they didn't go that

route though. I'm glad they didn't go that route. I would have preferred that maybe than making her the, you know, the strong female lead like the villain right off the bat. But she wasn't a villain though. She was like, but there was things that she had that some, I didn't understand her anger issues towards Indy is what I didn't understand. Like I understood her anger issues towards her dad, but because Indy wasn't around It didn't make sense.

I felt like stuff had gotten cut out of that because when she then like locks him in with the people that it feels like you're going to kill him, it was like oh my God, are you the worst person on the planet? Why did you do that? Well, that was my point before is that like, and then she realizes she shouldn't be doing that anymore, but it's

just kind of like a realization that comes out of nowhere. I just think it's totally legitimate to not like her character, but to think that Phoebe Waller Bridge didn't do a great job and this feels asinine. She did exactly what she was asked to do. And I keep seeing all these posts Like she's horrible, she's horrible. And I'm just like, what are you guys talking about?

You have a problem with the script. You're a problem with that character. She was, she nailed this role. I think that that's what they don't realize. Yeah. She did such a good job of being an asshole. Yeah, that you hated her. I mean, she would because, and then the problem was because of the writing,

when they, she's such an asshole in the beginning of the movie that by the time they're like, no, no, no, no, she's not an asshole anymore. And you're like, well, she's still an asshole on me. Yeah, yeah. And you leave the movie blaming it on on Phoebe Waller Bridge, which you shouldn't. because she does a great job of it. But it's, again, Indy doesn't want to leave, and so she punches him in the head and gets him back.

You're like, there's no other way they could have done that. Would it been too tropey, though, if she was introduced in a way that, like, was like, oh, she's there to help him to find this. They both want to get it. But then she gets the greed eyes or whatever, and then kind of. Well, it's like what happened with, again, Brett don't live,

Allison Doody. And the third one is like the way that they tricked you with, she's part of it. She's a good guy and then she turns on Indy. but the reverse of that, right? That she's working against him and then she kind of, they start working together.

And again, to reiterate the point, make it smaller, make it more clever, make it those things and scale it back to like a $150 million movie. If, you know, and those... Because then it would have cut even just now, right? Yeah.

It would be... Because what did you tell me it was at $150? It was at $150 right now. And it probably, yeah, it would be at $150. It would make it production budget back right now. And plus if it was shorter, and it was a scaled back movie. And it had... And you probably would have had, depending on how it was done,

if you got lucky and it was more critically received by fans and buzz. And put the giant guy in there a lot more. Let's talk about those guys. So the thugs. The thugs. Mads-Micholson's thugs. One of the guys is a guy who's been around a lot. The really blonde...

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Norwegian something they called him. But he's been around. for a bit. He's a little bit of a cliched villain in this one. He's just kind of killing everybody in sight. But he was fine. But the big guy, it was so cartoony. And again, maybe that was the direction of Mangol, which is so bizarre, because Mango's such a great director. There was a point where he like grabs her and it was so over, like, do he legit says. This actually didn't bother me.

And I know this is a huge criticism for most people. But to me, at this point, the movie, this fit the tone of this movie. Those are scoofy enough that it just fit. There's like the one thing if anybody ever uses this, a movie. It takes me out of it because it's like the Mortal Kombat thing. He legit says to the kid, Hey, get over here! And I'm like, what? Is that real?

He legit says, hey, get over here! And the kid is brutal. The kid locks the guy up. The guy was trying to protect him, too. He wasn't trying to kill him. And he just locks him. He goes, you're going to drown now, you big dumb idiot. I do kind of feel, this is such a not how they wanted us feel, but I kind of felt bad for him.

Me too. I was like, oh, he's... You killed him. You just murdered that guy. Like, he wasn't trying to kill you. He was following orders. He was following orders and he had, and he could have killed you. Yeah.

But the kid killed him. And like that guy was, and he was, if they, they should have done that with the other guy. Yeah, because he was such a dick. He was killing people left and right. And the big guy might have been doing it too, but I don't really remember. I remember the other guy shooting people in cold blood. He was clearly going rogue a lot. Yes.

You know, so he was, he was an evil kind of Nazi dude where I guess like, so is the other one. by proxy. But you didn't see it. But you didn't see it. The other guy, if he locks, if the older, excuse me,

if the menacing maniac guy, like smacks the kid around and goes one more time, and I'm going to put your brains on the thing. And then the kid kills him. You go, well, fuck you, buddy. But in this version, it was just like,

wow, this kid is unfazed by just murdering. And the kid just gets in a plane and decides he's going to, you know, and he's fly it up that he's done flying lessons or whatever to. He said he's never flown a plane before. Or something, whatever.

Yeah, and he's flying the plane. And the guy's asleep behind him. Right. Well, the ending is why it gets more goofy. But still. Why you're driving my plane? Right. Well, people are going to be asked to know that too.

Well, you know, you guys have these criticisms. Not you, but what did you like about it? Like I said, if you compare it to like Crystal Skoll, to me, Harrison Ford is locked into playing Indiana Jones. For sure, he's not phoning this in. No, no. Which was really nice to see. He cares a lot about this character. And you can feel it.

You can feel it in that. And you can feel the chemistry. chemistry he has. And the Antonio Mandaris I saw some people like, oh, what a wasted character. I love what they do. It's like, Drew Barrymore and Scream. They had him in the movie. He adds a lot when he's in it. You know, they have this relationship to him and Inde clearly have like this past. And then he dies and it's like,

and it means, and I loved this moment. I love the moment where Phoebe Waller Bridges, again, being an asshole on the boat, and she's like, oh, this is this, what you mean? And he goes, my friend just died. Yeah. And it's like, that was real. Like, I hate movies when they're like, oh, I had this great relationship. They don't even acknowledge it.

Like Willow. No, that was. There's this scene. I'm going to spoil Willow now because, I don't think I probably have, yeah. There's a scene in Willow that drove me crazy. Here's this, there's this, did you watch this show? No, I watched the first episode. I couldn't do it.

Yeah, I don't blame you. So there's this old man who was like, clearly had been spending time with these kids forever since the day they were born. And he takes him on the mission with them for a little bit and he's talking about. He's kind of like the, almost seems like he's like the Gandalfer and these kids. He's snotty fucking kids. And he's talking to them. He's like, you got to make sure you do this.

And then he gets killed right in front of him. They don't mention this fucking guy once after. They just let him drop dead. There's not a tear that shed. Nothing. I'm so with you. This was one of my favorite indie moments, too, when he turns to her. Because you realize these things affect him.

She's being a total, for lack of every word, she's being a bitch. And she sees it, though, though. Yeah, and she does. And I like that, too. There's a growth moment for her, and I thought that that really worked. But I also love Antonio Benderas, and I'm never going to be upset with him being on screen. No. But I loved that moment.

So it's moments like that that I really dug. It's moments like when, and even when she like locks him in the cage and stuff too, like you did see that old school indie come out where he's got to knock in the book cages over and all that. And it's like in, I wish he would have been a little bit more pained having to break all that shit. Yeah, that was too. Me too. I'm so, I'm not joking. Yeah.

That bothered me too. I'm like, but these are all the artifacts. And you're just like, why don't you care right now? I would like to see him get so mad about that. It could have just been as much as a... Yeah, right, right, right. I thought that was so weird. It's so not his character.

That's bizarre. It's like little moments like you say. It's not a line, a facial expression. How does, how mangled, you know that. You know that. It's just little things like that. Had they added just that, just a little bit of that. But that's why I think that I had so many more criticisms inside of,

of the character of Indiana Jones and Crystal Skull, because I, and Harrison Ford, will tell you different. But it just didn't feel like he felt like Harrison Ford to me in that movie. In this one, he felt like Indy. He just felt like an old grouchy indie that was running around trying to do some stuff, trying to retire, can't. And I love the moment with Sala when Sala's like one more adventure indie.

And he's like, and I think though, by the way, that if Jonathan Reese Davis would have been 15, 20 years younger, he would have been in that position maybe where the kid was, flying the plane and doing that stuff too. but like, you need that third person to be able to do that because... Yeah, we needed a character. You needed a character. I just don't know if that kid was the character because, you know,

and then they try to give them more to do or be stronger than the criticisms that they got in Short Round in the past, right? Which I still, watching Temple of Doom, short round is still a very strong character when you see what he does. And also for the time, totally different. Yeah, totally.

But yeah, it's... The score was every time I heard that. Every time that we did, I was like, yeah, let's go. And there's some cool moments on train things like that. I like the little car. Chase. Yeah. Yeah.

And again, the sound effects, things, the stuff that felt like indie moments. There were some stuff that the humor work. There was that, again, that thing of just like where they were making indie feel like the annoying old man to like, get out of your old man. I know what I'm doing here. And I think that that's why people were getting mad with the character. They think they were getting mad at Phoebe Waller Bridge, but the character is a shithead. It really is for a while.

She's a little bit like Fleabag. Yeah, and I think that's why they... I think so. But that's what she was hired to do, clearly. Clearly. So it's, this is... And look, I still stand by it. I love James Mangold.

I can't wait to see his Star Wars movie. Logan is one of the best to me, superhero movies that have been, has been created in a very long time. And end, using that movie as an example. That's what's so crazy about this. James Mangold is the fucking king of taking a smaller budget and doing something. I know. Logan was like, Logan was like, I don't even think Logan was $100 million. If I had shown you this movie, Indiana Jones movie, and I had said to

you, okay, you don't know who the director is, guess who it is? I wouldn't have guessed it was him. Yeah, who, no. No. No, no, because it's no matter what you have guessed. Um, if I had said it's either Mangold or Michael Bay, would you have said Michael Bay? No, no, no, because there's no substance to Michael Bay movie. There was some substance with this. If I had said Spielberg or Mangold, would you have said I would have said it was someone who's trying to make a Spielberg movie. Okay. I didn't know. Logan came to my head for some reason

because I was thinking of getting back to like the basics and just the character and addressing that and that's what immediately came to my head. I didn't know that he directed both these but that was the, that's this could have just been all action, heart

and and closing up of a story without all the bullshit and it would have a wonderful, wonderful. Like if it just go back to the first film, just something like that. Practical. Logan costs $97 million to make. There was a smaller, kind of more practical.

And you'd look at Ford versus Ferrari. That's what I thought we were getting when we were getting Mangled. Because I love Mangled. Mangal's probably my favorite director right now and still is. Like, I'm not one of these people who's like, well, he made a shit movie. Sorry, I don't think a shit movie, but he made a movie I didn't love. You have no idea whether this was studio him. This is true.

This is true. 100% studio interference. All the way through, maybe. So before we get the TV, and again, I just, I feel bad for the audience sometimes because I know it gets exhausting, but it's a conversation that needs to be, to be had. And I've talked about it, so I'll let you talk about it. How does Kathleen Kennedy survive this? What do you actually mean?

Like, how does she not get fired right now? Because don't you think this is now, if you have all these director problems, if you haven't gotten a Star Wars movie off the ground since 2019, you've lost directors here, left and right. The Star Wars movie series the TV shows have been half and a half. And the audience... She's still on a major net positive, though.

Yes and no. Financially. Yes and no. In where like my argument was always against the people who said this, but there is still merit to it. Force Awakens makes almost two billion dollars, whatever it made, right? Last Jedi makes less.

Force Awakens makes less. And I'm with you. It's still made a billion. but it's still made less and less and less and traditionally sequels are supposed to make more than the last. So the argument still holds up, you still put money in the bank account. Solo is a bomb, but I blame that on Eiger.

But this one is really the first big disappointment that's not Star Wars, not everything else, and she doesn't have public opinion with her at all. No, not at all. At all. She was trending all over the weekend, and it's like, you think

she's going to survive through the Ray movie? Yes. Yeah? I do. I think just like, we're too far into it. That's been set.

I'm not saying that's what I think should happen, but I think that is what will happen. What do you think should happen? I would like to see her gracefully step away. To be honest. Just because at this point, like I've talked to you about many times, PR is not her thing.

And I think that would be a really nice look. I think it's a smart move to do. But I don't think it's happening. I don't think so either. I think her and Iger, they have a good relationship, and I think I'm going to stick with her. But I do think now at this point, it's on Iger. Because, like, when you've got that much in front of you, it's like, and I said it the other day, it's like, it has nothing to do with not liking someone because they're man, woman, whoever it is. It's a matter of saying the coach is not the right coach for the team.

But who knows if Iager is standing by her because these are decisions that he's made, right? He wasn't there. Kind of for like a couple months. When they put forward Indiana Jones to let's do it. Who knows if he said $300 million is the budget for this movie? Well, I think that they put it together. Basically what happens is that they'll come together and go, okay, we do this. Here's a script that we want.

In order to do it, we're going to need this, this, and this. And then they basically say to Kathleen Kennedy, we're clocking this into around like $2.50 plus reshoots. Probably going to close to three. All right, I'll take it to Bob. Or whichever Bob it was, Chaypec or whatever it was. I just think that Iger might not be able to point to her, like, this was your problem. When we don't know what he is approved of.

You're not wrong. But I still think, though, he is the one now to say, you know, I need someone else who's going to bring me budgets that if I do approve it, they're not asking questions like that. Whose fault is this? It needs to be like, who was responsible for this? You know, and it's like that's, and you've got to pay attention to social media to. You have to. Because now it's not, it used to be, like in 2017, it used to be the majority of people going just like the hateful people who just wanted her out because, right? It's not that.

Now they have things to point to, a lot of things to point to. That's why I would just love, though, for her not to get five. I just want her to be like. To walk out. Yes, into the sunset and be like, there's so many other pastures, so many places for me to go. People would be lucky to have me on to. It just would be nice. That's Iger also, though.

That's Iger giving her that opportunity to do that too. So I say, look, let's just say that you're deciding now to kind of, people will smell it if it happens within the next month. It's like, well, Indy just ate a pile of garbage and then you're going to walk off and they let you do that. But imagine if she took ownership of that. I know, but I'm just saying PR-wise. If I was her publicist right now, I think I would say we miscalculated some things. And I think that at this point, there's a lot of places that I'm really passionate about going. And I have a lot of great experience in this area.

And this didn't work. And this one didn't work. The next one will. I learned from my mistakes. And I'm so happy to move forward. I would be like, get it, Kathleen. You got a better chance. I know.

The keys to the castle. No, I know. But you ask what I wish. I know. You're right. Either way, it's going to be a very interesting turn of events. What do you guys think? What's going to happen there, too?

And keep it classy if you can in the comments too. I know we're all on the same page here, a lot of us anyway. Even Roxy, myself, Brett, we're all on the same page. It's time for a new coach. But the question is, do you think we're going to get the new coach? You think they're going to still see if the coach has a couple more championships left with Ray and the Mangal movie coming out with Star Wars and all that. So go ahead. Give me your comments.

Now we're going to close the show out with some TV. Rock's Silo? No. Yeah. But you know what? Everybody's telling me to watch this. And the reason, you guys all told me to watch jury duty, so it's on my list this week. So Siler will be my next week.

Okay, so what do we got first? Jury duty. Okay, you guys know the premise of this show? Did you watch it? I haven't yet. I've heard a lot of great things about it. This is so up your guys out. It's so great.

Her James Morrison's awesome. Yeah, he's amazing in it because he is not, like, I feel like a lot of actors try to save face sometimes, and he is willing to look like an asshole. Jackass. And it is so great. So the premise for those of you guys who don't know is on, um, Freevy, which is an Amazon streamer. So it's free with commercials.

And they told everybody they were shooting this documentary about being on jury duty. And then they cast all actors except for this one guy. And this one guy thinks he's genuinely doing a documentary on jury duty. And then James Marsden is on the jury and there's other people. Does he recognize Marsden? Not at first. And then James Marsden's like, the notebook, Sonic. I mean, James Morrison is so great in this.

Everybody is so excellent in this. The guy responded to a Craigslist ad for this, like to be in this jury duty doc. And he is so endearing. James Morrison said, I'll only do this if we never are intentionally trying to make this guy look like an asshole. Like, he's not supposed to be the butt of the joke.

So it's got a lot of heart to it. Yeah, it's like... Yeah, it's really, really good. It's a weird format. You've never seen anything like it. Well, that's not necessarily true, though, right? The Joe Shmo Show. you remember that show?

No. Yeah, so the Joe Shmo show was... But they made that poor guy. Is it you and Mark Ellis thing? No, no, no. Joe Shmo show was basically where they had this guy I think he was on a reality, like love show where everybody was... I think Kristen Wigg is one

of the contestants on it and like making it like a bachelor show but he but he is the only one in on it and to be completely... He's the only one in on it? Not in on it. Not in on. Excuse me. No, I don't remember this. And then the other one, which is the best one

in my... I haven't seen this. The one you're talking about. about, but the best one ever is Windy City Heat. Windy City Heat. A lot of people are saying that it has similarities. So Windy City Heat was Don Barris. And have you ever seen Winston? No, no. Dude, that is so up your alley.

I went to the premiere, right? It's a movie, though, isn't it? So Don Barris was working with this guy, Perry, who was the last name, he's known him for years. And you guys... Nemeroff. Yeah, but he's definitely not all there, right? and they have him think this whole entire time that his auditions and everything are legit

and he gets cast in this movie and he's the star of the movie and they're gonna make this movie around him and he's on set and they make the movie they go to the premiere like it's this whole thing like they and and he and so Dean Cook is like plays like one of the casting directors at one point and Bobcat Goldsway

is the director of the movie and of the fake movie and it is but it's not what you're saying. He is definitely the butt of the job. He's the one I've told. Remember I told the story about at the comedy store when the old blue hooker blew this guy on stage or two in the morning?

That's this guy that got blown. You remember that story. I've told you that story. This is this guy. So this maybe is similar to things that you've seen. It's unlike anything I've ever seen. And the jury duty angle of it, I think, is unlike what you've seen. And it sounds endearing, which is different.

Yeah, it is. It's just different. And I think it's really good. I think it's worth your time. and it's free for people. So get the free V app. I guess that's what Amazon's trying to do. Okay, I watched this show called Glamorous.

Have you guys heard of this at all? Absolutely not. This is a show that's on Netflix and it stars Kim Cottrell. Oh, I have heard this. That was a lie, yeah. And the first episode, I was like, gosh.

It's basically the... Why I'm gosh? Because it's the devil wears product, but not as high of a budget, not Merrill Street. And not as well written. It's very dramatic, very gossip girly. But it's...

The difference is... is that it is a, the assistant is gay. And like, there's a big window into the queer community that I actually think they do a really good job with. There's, like, a lot of drag shows and a lot of, like, about the queer community and makeup to that community, which is, makes it different than the Devro Woler's product.

I actually found myself loving the show by the end, which I was kind of surprised with. I have one left. And I think that if you're looking for something that it fills that kind of CW. type thing. Yeah, no, it's not for you guys, but it's really cute. It's sweet.

And, like, they also make the main character. He's very flawed, and you don't see that a lot in TV anymore, where the main character is the one who's, like, fucking up his love life. It's usually other people messing up. So I'm liking this, and I love Kim Patrol. I mean, too. She's coming on to this other show that. Oh, I know what it is.

Yeah, did I tell you guys about? I read about this, but go ahead. And just like that. So, and just like that, this Sex and City spin-off. They're back, baby. Kim control, we are three or four episodes in and Kim control is not on it yet. And then I looked it up and she's only going to be in the last episode. So I'm bummed about that.

Also, we're supposed to get a big love interest. Yeah, Aiden's supposed to come back and I haven't seen him yet. So I'm waiting on that. But overall, the show has its moments. If you love sex in the city, this is worth watching. Sometimes you just want to bang your head through a wall because it's like there's not that much sex anymore. and there's not that much relationship stuff. But do you think that's also because they're in their 60s?

No, because they killed off. Obviously, there's different issues with Mr. Big. But they killed them up before the issues. Yeah, I know. They killed them off because they were like, we want her to be able to go out and do her thing. And now we're not seeing her really do her thing. So I don't think that.

And then also Miranda's character, this is something that they did that I'm super bummed about. They put Miranda's character. She a lesbian now? So she broke up with her husband, who we love. I remember Steve. And it was so fucking mean. She cheats on it.

It was horrible what she did. To be with this non-binary person who comes from Grey's Anatomy, who I really liked on Grey's Anatomy. On this show, they're kind of an ass. And we're supposed to be rooting, I think, for them and Miranda. But it's like, Miranda just cheated on her husband, left her husband. Miranda was always an asshole. Yeah, she was. But now they've made the only non-binary character on the show.

Like, they want us to like them. I fucking don't. Like, they're mean. Well, it's funny because my wife is a massive sex in the city fan, clearly from how much knowledge I have on it. But it was... When you said Steve, I just got so happy. Yeah, I know. You came out with Aden, Steve.

But I'm telling you, the first two seasons of that show, Sex in the City, was geared towards men and women. And not just came in. Like, it was geared towards men and women because I remember watching the first two seasons of that going, oh, what they're doing here, I watched it in college. It's great. It's great. And then as they got towards the other seasons, it became, and rightfully so, it became more geared towards, I think, more women and the gay community, for sure. My wife loves that show, the first season.

Excuse me, the first series. Did she watch it just like that? So she started to, and she bailed on it because she didn't love it. But then, because she heard about the people come back, she's like, I'm going to go back and watch it because this was a good marketing tool, what they're doing. But I told her, because I had read about the Kim control thing, I go, She don't like Sarah Jessica Park. No.

But they probably unloaded a big truck of money. So just film a scene. And she said, they said, what did they give you? And she said, he asked me, what will it take? And I told him what it will take. And they gave it to me. Whatever the hell that was. It is a good marketing tool because it is why most people are back this season.

There are moments that make it so great. But then there's moments where I'm just like, you could just do this so much better. And I don't know why you guys aren't. And then also, you told me the bachelor that was on. So I watched. I don't know how good this season's going to be. The Bachelorette is really sweet. She's super sweet, but she's boring.

So sweet. Like her, really actually hope she finds love because super sweet. That doesn't usually make for a great show. No. When she was announced, hey, there's me. When she was announced, we said she's such a sweetheart and exactly what you just said, that I hope she finds love. Yeah, I hope she does.

But is this going to be interesting to watch? Now, I don't know. I haven't watched the whole thing. I don't know. My wife watches every season. Yep, I'll keep you guys posted on it. So she seems like she's into it so far. And the guys, it's always...

There's one guy on this and it was so my type that I actually feel like I need to find it. If you say the earrings guy, I'm throwing you out of this room. The guy with the two earrings. No, no, the guy who was like, did you watch? I watched last... The guy who was like, why is everybody so tall? Oh, no, no, that guy. That's the guy who kissed her for like an hour and a half, right?

No, no. I don't know. The tennis pro? Yeah, tennis pro. Yeah, the guy who kissed her for like... I love that guy. Yeah. Oh my God. Tennis Pro is my man.

I'm going to give you that one. He is so cute. The earrings guy? The 24-year-old earrings guy? Oh, awful. Yeah. A guy should be on Bachelor in Paradise when that's only reasons he's there. In the gold shorts.

It's only reason he's there. Tennis Pro, hit me up. All right, listen. It's the show. Thanks for joining us here today. I appreciate you. Thank you to Roxy Stryor. I mean, Roxy, where can they find you?

All things at Roxy Stryorkexie. Brett, where can they find you? They can cash me outside. How about that? That's perfect. And for everybody else, man, comments, likes, all that stuff, and find us on the audios. Leave those comments to help.

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But that's fine. I didn't see Roxy today. But hey, that's okay. I know that I'm going to be here. Anyway, I put my balls on the foot and I stepped on them because I am a big bomber.