The Kristian Harloff Show - Is ANDOR The Best Star Wars Since Empire Strikes Back?!

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

In today's video, Kristian Harloff dives into ANDOR (2025) Season 2 Episode 7-9, and we are immediately back in the gritty, grounded world of Star Wars. From the tense political drama to the simmering rebellion led by Cassian Andor, these three episode sets the tone for what could be one of Lucasfilm's boldest stories yet. Kristian reacts to all the major moments — the return of Mon Mothma, Diego Luna's powerhouse performance, and the implications of those surprising reveals (including that post-credit tease 👀). With Tony Gilroy back at the helm, it's clear this season is pulling no punches. 👊 Strap in — the rebellion is only getting started. #StarWars #AndorSeason2 #CassianAndor #DisneyPlus #Reaction #KristianHarloff #RogueOne #tonygilroy  TRADE COFFEE: Trade is exclusively offering our listeners 40% off your first order at https://www.drinktrade.com/KRISTIAN FACTOR: Get started at factormeals DOT com slash kristian50off and use code kristian50off to get 50 percent off plus FREE shipping on your first box. That's code kristian50off at https://www.factormeals.com/kristian5... for 50 percent off PLUS free shipping.

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And here we are. Here we are indeed. So we're going to be doing some stuff myself and Steph. And we are going to be talking about Andor. We are going to, is it Ander? We're going to talk about Andor. We're going to talk about the spoilers for this episode. So buckle up.

We're also going to talk about Bob Eiger saying the Thunderbolt is the plan. It was the plan the whole way through. And then Steph is going to be working on our lonesome to try to defeat Roxy once again today. And I feel like she's going to do it because Mike's not here. So we'll see if that's true or not. That's it, everybody. Let's get to the show. It's myself. It's Steph Sabra. Here is the show. Are you ready? Me too. All right. Let's pick it up. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the Christian

I love show today on this Thursday. Joining me as always, Steph Sabra's here. Hello, Steph. Hi. Happy Thursday. Happy Thursday to you. Isn't it nice to have the comfortable voice of Brett in the studio? Yes, I heard him and I was like, oh, no, is this fever dream? And it was real. It's real, God. We had some journey last night at the airport. I'll tell you this. I love airport stories. So this guy, he tells me, he's like, I'm coming in at like 10, 10, 15, right? Not his fault.

This flight gets in early. I was putting my little one to sleep. I wake, I, I, that's rare. That I was putting her to sleep. Oh, that a flight, no, no. You're parenting. No, they'll know that a flight gets in early these days. It's true.

And it got in early. And so he was like, I check my phone as I get out of her room and is like, Hey, are you in way? I'm like, nope. And so I, he's like, don't worry. I'm at the bar. I'm fine. So, okay, he was, he was very cool, calm and collected about it. And so as you know, um, Steph L-A-X is like Satan's asshole. Uh, and yes, yes, yes, yes, it is it's the worst. However, what I will give it over JFK is you go through term, you go to terminal one when you're driving to pick someone up. You pass terminal one. Where do you go? Terminal two. And then if you pass terminal two, you get to terminal three. You can go in a loop and you'll eventually, you get the seven, maybe you have to loop back again. That I give it. JFK, you make one right turn because, oh, you're supposed to go this? Where's the way of you're supposed to go?

It's a labyrinth. I made a right instead of left. I was back on the highway and 10 minutes, three minutes to 10 minutes. And then Brett's tracking my location the whole way through. It's like, three minutes, seven minutes, 12 minutes. There he goes. Probably like, oh, my God, you were like, he's like, this is. idiot. It's like when you're watching an Uber driver, not hit the right turn.

He understood what was going on because then as there's, there's arrivals and departures. So I'm like, okay, I found JetBlue. I got it. Oh, no. So I go now as arrivals and departures, arrivals are now cut off or you can't even, you can't even access arrivals. No. So like, wow, how are you supposed to pick anybody up? So there you go to departure and it's like a parking lot when I get up there. So Brett's like, I'll walk up. there. I'm like they're pushing us out up back on the highway right so there he is now waiting up there I get back now to get him completely empty nobody's there he's just there waving like this in the

same spot that I just was in pick them up got him I gave him a beer wife had some shepherd by took a nap for sleep and then came back and here we are my might you know what you want to hear some hilarious and this is you love you love maisie stories yeah maze he goes dad Brett coming into town this week I said yeah she's like like what'd you do she's like I'm hiding all my cereal she took she took her fruit loop Cheerios and hit it in her my god and it looks like a book but it's like underneath two bags it's hilarious kids are supposed to want to share but I totally feel them when they're like it's mine I like my my nephew does I he'll be like that's mine and I'm like yeah you're right that is yours

She does not, she does not want to be. Let's not blow past like a few things you mentioned. I wouldn't really, how was the, the, I need to know the energy in your car. Like, are you freaking out? Do you have, like, no, you're just like, whatever, this is the vibe. Well, was that without Brett in the car or with, without Brett in the car? I was getting frustrated. Not angry, but frustrated.

I was like, who built this? Who built this? David Bowie? Who built it. It was so, it's so. It's so stupid the way that it's built. It's like, and it's not easy. It's like you can't even barely see where they push you off to.

It was, I'm like, this is stupid that they, yeah, like, I hate LAX, but it is the inside. The problem with LAX is getting there and like it's like it just, it becomes the parking lot before you even getting into the airport. That's the problem with LAX. Right. But they're both, they both suck shit is the bottom line here. It's a, that's a bottom line. Second and last question.

I hear about Shepard's pie. I feel like in fairy tales. I didn't know that was like people really made that, including your wife. Oh, yeah. It's one of her go-to dishes. And people, people love it. Brett, Brett, uh, ranking on the, uh, on the shepherd's pie. I gave it a tree out a tree.

A tree out of tree. Like, like this. You got to see. You got to see what's going on here. Like this is like, I had this big stupid table that I hated so much. Yeah, like it like, it basically like pinned me against the wall. Like when I was for the longest time. like this long conference table that was here and you just be like this to try to get through

there's this little table that he set up both he and luke are going to be in heaven because they're going to set up the lights lightings get better the audience is going to be better oh good so good um anyway so let's uh let's discuss and talk about some things because that's what we're going to do here today step you're working again it's not too it's it's manageable what you're working with here today you're working with about 70 uh 76 i believe 76 Luke will go me okay let's go i think you just have you got five at the moment but 76 i think is a pretty good especially you mike not here it's so you might be in trouble if mike was here but he's not i think you can beat him we got this i think so all right let's talk about we're gonna we're gonna bring

up and or spoilers here guys so if you have not seen the last three episodes i highly recommend you beat it um and we're gonna have luke hasn't done it yet but he's going to he's working on a spoiler graphic, so I'll make sure that I can put that up there. There are, the one thing I said, there's no cows and there's no chickens. Cocks? Yeah, chickens, roosters, I guess. So we are going to make sure that you guys know when we're ending. We'll have a spoiler graphic eventually, but right now we're going to be talking about

and I told you, I warned you. Let's start with this. Steph, I know you too well. I know you too well. You love these episodes. I mean, really, of course. I was, I was instantly, because I had forgotten. I couldn't tell, I couldn't remember if you were talking about the finale or what,

what arc you were talking about. And as soon as they, I was like, this is it. And I almost was like, oh, this is it, right, Christian? But then I was like, I don't even need to text him because I'm going to see him. This is obviously it. I was just like, this word has never been used before as much, like, well, enthralled. I was enthralled. Like, so, so good.

It was so impactful. It just so deserving of the characters that they built in some of the endings that we got with some of the characters. It's like, I wasn't expecting it that way. I thought that things were going to happen a certain way and it happened completely different. and it was just all three episodes were incredible. Obviously, eight being a standout, but nine had some moments for me that were even more special. So it's like,

it's hard to say. It's like you have to view it as the arc as a whole, but it is one of the best. Like, yeah, it's like it's the best in recent memory. Obviously, it's barring the original trilogy,

but it just is like, I can't believe that that's the Star Wars we're getting. This is brilliant. the word is brilliant it's like people throw that word around all the time this word is relevant for this show this show is brilliant it is everything that i was talking about because anytime people were pushing back about saying you know things are like the other show's boring it's this and i'm like take it easy and wait until you get to seven eight nine because all of that stuff that happens in the first six is the lead up to this totally it's all relevant

to this and it's like well nothing's really happening it's like you haven't seen the show yet if like because like oh the slow stuff if you didn't get that stuff that led up to all the gorman stuff and all the buildup and all the things that were going on and all the cast of the characters that were that were leading up to trying to figure out what is happening and how this resistance was a freaking uh design by the empire and how brutal they are in order to do that and the stuff that happens i wish i had a camera on you during the serial and didger stuff when he when Oh my gosh. What was going through your mind during that?

I was like... Right. I was like clutch the pearls. This is high drama. And you just, I, because I feel like we're viewing things from like the Star Wars frame that we've been seeing, even though Andorra has separated itself in a lot of frames, I'm still like shocked by some of the character choices. Because I'm not expecting it. But then when you really think about it, you're like, serial is the definition. I just love that you just call them serial.

It's so Southern California of me. You love that. Surial is like. I make crazy have this serial. Surreal can't be serious right now. No, he's the saddest character I think I've ever viewed in Star Wars where he is the ultimate pawn. He is such a great representation of how the evil billionaires and powers that be and awful leaders will just take people and veil this story and this mystery.

And then for him for his moments to be like, she was nothing and or didn't even know my name. Who are you? Yeah. Who am I? Yeah. He was nobody. And that was nobody. bloody. He was just all he wanted his entire life and was to be relevant. And the whole thing, this is what, this is what I always loved about the books when I was reading them was that the ones with the empire, they made you care about the characters in the empire. They weren't just kind of like these, you know, black and white villains to where, well, they're the empire. So they're the bad guys. And yeah, they're the bad guys. But you get layers about who they are and what they're doing in general. And Cyril, his whole, his whole existence.

of how he's he was infiltrating and I was watching my in my reaction when I was watching the show I thought he was going to have the moment of when you know going undercover in that kind of Donnie Brasco moment you know of like of being starting to really relate to the cause of what's happening and ultimately he did right he felt he he he saw he was lied to by the woman that he loved and all this different things he ultimately just a pawn in a cog if you will and all of these things that were going on with him, it just that level of frustration when he and or the guy who just set all of this up and he has that fight and as you said, he doesn't know who the hell he is and is having this fight and or can tell this guy clearly doesn't like me for some reason. Yeah. Yeah. And then the other thing is the whole thing where the guy, the main um, the father figure of the resistance who's telling him, don't go to this thing. He's like he has a feeling for it. He's the one ultimately caps Cyril and he didn't even realize that Cyril was kind of having to come around. So it's really a tragic story of Cyril when you think about it.

Right. I wasn't expecting that to be the person who took out Cyril, but that made sense because I was like, he's taken everything from him. He was the ultimate snitch. And he didn't even know what he was doing. But to them, they're like, you probably knew exactly what you were doing. Like, how would you not have the knowledge? But yeah, he was just like a great interpretation of when a lot of people respect order.

They respect the laws. They respect justice in a system. But then they fall into this system and don't realize that the system that they pledged their entire life to isn't even about what they said they were about. So it was pretty tragic and really exemplary of people today, I think, who are, don't even realize. the umbrella that they're fighting under because it started as one thing and it's become something completely different. And to watch it evolve in these multiple arcs, the empire and the resistance is what I loved about this arc.

It's like you really see where they've come in the past two years, both of them with their plans. And this like realistic look at how both sides will have wins and losses. But their ultimate goal was they played the long game and it worked. And it was so, I was watching this interview with Tony Gilroy. And he's like, we knew we had to do something with Gorman. And we knew that it, Mon Mothma was going to have this speech. And then they just did a perfect job of knowing what they're doing and then just building the world around it. Well, it's hilarious about it.

We can get into it in a second because there's an article that's cereal I want to read. But there is something that's pretty funny where it just shows you, I've said it many times over. And it's proven in this episode. Floney will make every single person keep canon. If it's if it's rebels, you better keep canon or rebels. But what if it's canon to the books and the comics? Oh, I don't give a shit. You can change it.

And I will give you an example of that in a moment. But before we do that, Cyril and or star Kyle, Kyle Solar, he talks about his fate in Andor. Okay, so let me just want to do something a quick The good and bad news is like I said The better news is that the studio is being worked on the bad news I just don't have my setup like it normally is but Andor Season 2 provided to be a tough watch for a number of reasons

Episode 8 obviously and Kyle Solar has weighed in on the fate of his character Cyril Karn after obsessively hunting and or since the very first episode Cyril Karn finally got his hands on the Rebel pilot in season 2 episode 8 but a moment's hesitation end up costing him everything. Towards the end of Who Are You? Cyril learns the truth about the empire's evil plans for Gorman and stumbles through the protesters in a days before catching sight of Andor just as he's about to assassinate Deirdramuro.

Karn brutally attacks the man he views as his sworn enemy, ultimately managing to gain the upper hand when they're both knocked down by a nearby grenade blast. He was about to shoot the nemesis, the one he created in his mind at least. But Andor's question, who are you, causes him to hesitate. and he is shot dead by revolutionary leader Cairo Rylance. A sad end for a pathetic but fascinating character who realized far too late that he had dedicated himself to a regime built on lies and conquest.

He built up this totem of Cassian, this kind of voodoo doll, and the fact that he wasn't even a blip on Cassian's radar is crushing to him. He tells the Hollywood reporter. He's so desperate to be remembered and to make a difference. It is a cut too deep by that point. He's been betrayed by Deidre and the Emperor. empire and now his one true obsession doesn't even think he's worth remembering. He's heartbroken.

Despite witnessing the empire's massacre of innocent protesters, Soler doesn't believe Cyril would have defected to the rebellion ever if he had survived. I still don't think he would have joined the rebel side. I don't think he would have joined his side at all. I think he had been so traumatized by those last 10 minutes that he would just wander off somewhere to live alone. I think he's right. I think he's 100% right. Steph, what do you think about these comments overall?

Oh, yeah. I think that it's crazy seeing how important of a character he has become and like we're following his journey with the empires and he's such a good POV for that. But I think the same thing. He would have been so lost. I mean, maybe he would have gone back to his mom, who I'm obsessed with now, Catherine Hunter. I'm glad you like you, yeah. You are my queen. And Roxy made a great point that I think you could play.

play my grandma or mom. Do you see it? I feel like it's good as long as you bite me over for Christmas for sushi. Okay. Okay. I got you. I got you. Yeah.

So, Cyril would have been a lost puppy not knowing what to do. He would have never joined the rebellion unless he got like a first class trip to to see what it's like and see if there's organization, which there's not, they're trying to begin that step. of like having more set up organization of who's in power within the rebellion but no he's too OCD to be there right now no and it just there's so much evil going on like this is like

full on this I've said it a million times over so I saw this comment on my on one of the reaction videos that I did and so like I can't believe you haven't mentioned Nazi Germany I was like that's that's all this that's all I have been mentioning this this is straight up 1940s Europe. This is the this is this is showing how evil this is the most evil that the empire has ever been in anything in anything even outside the original trilogy because we have more time to to layer them out and to see what they did and to see like the calculated plan doesn't just make that it makes it you see the way that they put this all together and that deadra was the one who was the architect with Krennick and telling them that you had to do these things to set this up make them believe that they were actually having this cause and to watch all the death and destruction. the way they planted and they sacrificed their own people and the like the you know the reserves if you will um it was so tragic and so well done and it's like you know it makes me sad stuff this kind of star was will never be made again under the current regime it just won't happen it just won't happen we're going to get we're going to get you know cartoons in live action well it was really

great while it's lasted i'm really going to hold on to this season forever and revisit it. I said that today. I was like, I want to rewatch those episodes instantly. Like, it's given me the fuel that I once fell in love with Star Wars once again. And it's been, it is so, yeah, and that's funny that they

mentioned that you didn't bring up Nazi Germany, which was one of the first points you made when we started this season. So that's hysterical. Not only that, I think it points to current day. I think it points to any time a fascist regime has taken over. It's just really timely, but also timeless, because these are the issues that we face as humanity time and time again.

This team has managed to tell it in an extremely compelling story under the arc of what I think the Star Wars morals were built on. What I love is that this show is playing the end game. It just, it's the long game, I should say. It's playing long game. Like the way that it's set up from the very beginning and knows where it's going and through these breaks. the year and the thing so the way i'm gonna what i was talking about before with the canon stuff right

you have this mon mothma episode which plays into that speech that's happened in rebels because i was like okay well wait a minute we know that from rebels she goes because they're like oh cassian's gonna get her out of there i'm like well she's she can't go with cassian because that's gonna negate what happens in rebels like the they take her and they and she has the speech on the ship and shit is like what are they going to do is Floney's actually going to retcon some rebel stuff and of course he did there there was the thing with Cassian

he gets her out of their great absolutely great episode and we'll dive into that as well but then they say and I think they did it well with how they did it she's got to go on the ship she's got to do her thing there's someone else that's taken and I think the woman who actually brought her in rebels to the crew is mentioned as

well, I'm pretty sure. Anyway, but where they said, hey, do I have to stick to that in the comic, the thing that happens in the comics? I'm like, now what's the comics? I don't care. That was the K2SO stuff. And I knew it was going to happen. Brett did a freaking video of it about two years ago and we said it wasn't going to happen. And I will preface it by saying it shouldn't have happened because from what the story they were telling shouldn't, it just proves again that if you're if you were looking into getting into the books and the comics and all that stuff, because Kathleen Kennedy made a promise and said, yeah, everything connected is going to be canon.

So something happens in the comics, something happens in the books. It's relevant to what happens in the TV shows and in the movies. And then they decided, well, as long as it doesn't interfere with anything. So you can go and buy it, but that's why you're buying it. We don't care. and that's exactly what happened. K2SO and Or do not meet like that in the comics. They did a whole spin-off comic book.

It's not how they meet. It's not how it happens at all. It's completely different. It was completely retconned. Because like I said, Boney's out of it doesn't pay attention to those things, the books in the comics. But the shows, especially his show, he's never retconning.

But like I said, I think that they handled the K2SO thing, the way that they did it. Excellent. I loved the way they did it. I love the fact that there was like a Terminator coming after and seeing how devastating he was and how they reprogram him. It's great. So what did you think about that moment in general? I thought that moment was really awesome.

I remember that when you and Brett talked about that. So I was like, what was it actually? And I totally forgot. So it ended up being really well done to me. They were so scary when all of them came out. and just like threw people across the way and like smash them, broke them. That was Terminator scary. I've never been more afraid of droids before.

They were really, they were scary, devastating and showed how important it was to bring him onto the team. But to go back to the Mon Mothma stuff, you know, they had this conversation, Tony Gilroyd, he said, do I have to stick to this effing speech and or showrunner on minimizing Star Wars rebels in season two. Tony Gilroy has commented on making a big change to the Star Wars canon with the show's latest episode, even though that meant minimizing what we've seen in Rebels. In episode nine of Andor season two, welcome to the rebellion. Mon Mothman delivers a rousing speech to the Senate in that she challenges the empire's account of what happened on Gorman and concludes by declaring, The monster who will come for us all soon enough is Emperor Palpatine. Cassie and Andor

helps her escape the ISB agents out to silence her, and Mon heads to Yavin for to join the rest of Rebellion. It's a credible hour of television, but somewhat contradicts Star Wars canon. In the animated Star Wars, Rebels' Wants'on makes a different speech and broadcast it across the galaxy as she's transported to the Rebel Stronghold by Gold Squadron. Talking to EW, Gilroy says that he and Dan Gilroy felt constrained by having to adhere to Rebels versions of events. We are hijacking Canon, he admits. And Cannon, she's rescued by the Gold Squadron, and the speech that they gave in the cartoon, which is a Canon show, is on that ship. And Danny's like, do I have to stick to this effing speech? Rather than disresolved,

regarding the show's inspiring message from on. They figured that if Cassian left her at his old safe house, Luthan, could arrange her transport with Gold Squadron, meaning she delivered a second speech after the first. Gilroy is aware that Andor has lessen the impact of the Star Wars Rebels scene in really sneaky way. We're minimizing what they did in Rebels, but we're keeping it consistent.

We're just saying you don't really know the whole story of what happened. Jen Neva Rai says it's a speech. She's been working for the rebellion deeply and intrastically, and she's been vital to the rebellion. But that is the moment that she crosses that Rubicon and she crosses it with Cassie. I felt beautiful that it is with him given where we go in Rogue 1. But it's that there's no turning back at that point. There is no going back.

For those of you who missed it, there's the speech, yada yada. So like they didn't decadonize it, but they just, he said it may sort of like made it a little less relevant because it's not the first time it happens, which I have no issue with. And most people, if you're watching that show and you didn't watch. Rebels aren't going to give a shit, right? But that episode stuff is so intense and how that works and the thing that Bail shows you and how great is Benjamin Brad as Bail? So great. So great.

I feel like he encompasses his aura perfectly. I thought he did a really, really great job of just fitting right in into place. And just really why this episode was so incredible to me is because we know the fate of Mon Mothma and Cassian, but I was still like questioning what's going to happen up until the very end. And then, but yeah, I was really glad that they had that moment together. These are our two most important characters moving forward for what the resistance actually

started on. So for them to meet in this culmination and him getting her out of there and how cool he's become, like he's so smooth with it. with the driver he's like what's the driver's name he's like oh cool he's like he's like bop that was so cool i love how she played it yeah but it's consistent to where we see him in that first scene in rogue one like that's who he is right yes yes like he's becoming that row he instantly knows what he at yeah he's a very unique character he's slowly become one of my favorites in star wars and just as a character in general because we've seen his

growth and it he draws of he walks a super fine line since the beginning of road one where we see him instantly kill that guy where you're like are you bad but no he's just has a very good sense of what he needs to do at that moment in that second for the greater cause right and it's also and look and he's and say what you want about his relationship with luthan right luthan kind of put that in him too and whatever it's about the cause and that conversation he had with bix and then And that's the other thing that I want to, well, you and I will end our conversation on and or with the big stuff. But Mike, someone's asking where Mike was. And Mike had to work today, but Mike really wanted to talk about this episode.

And this was Mike, Mike's thoughts. He texted us. And he said, I thought it was some of the best Star Wars that we've ever gotten since the original trilogy. I am so curious to see what some of these diehard Star Wars fans say when you try to critique Star Wars and they were respond with, well, it's always just been for kids. there is no world in which they can say this series is for kids yeah this is not for kids and i'm telling unfortunately what i hope happens though stuff i really hope that they look at the kind of response that this goes because this is the kind of conversation as i told you that we were going to get and this is the same type of conversation this is the first time that star wars television

has had the similar conversations that a stranger things has or that a house of the dragon or game of Thrones has like this is the kind of this is the first time really that you're like did you see that episode oh my god i can't believe they went there i can those three episodes it's it was that kind of television star wars has not had that even with mandolian they've had some good moments well maybe the luke moment the luke moment was a was a big huge moment obviously so but that was a because you know luke skywalker but that that not just moments though an episode of just great well-written well-layered television it has not happened i hope that they look at this and say, there's two scenarios what's going to happen.

Scenario one, which I think is unlikely, they look at it and they go, wow, people are really responding to this. Maybe we should kind of dive into this a little bit more and do the 45 to an hour long episodes and get a little bit more serious with Star Wars. Let's do that. Or my ego's too big. My shows are better. And I'm going to show you why. More, more, more fun, fun, fun, blast, blast, last dialogue. Monster, oh, look at me. Oh, everything relates back to the animated. show. Oh, Darth Mall is a show again. That's where I think we're going to go. But where do you think? Do you think there's a chance that they're going to, they're going to switch this up? I think there might be a chance that not that they're not going to do what you just described.

I think they are and I think there's a place for that. I think that they there's a chance that they might have, you know, one show a year or one movie a year that is a, but to a place. more adult theme has more adult themes within it but but there is a chance that they don't and this is the last we see of kind of someone like tony gilroy being able to tell his own version of a star war story that would be sad totally oh well mike's here in spirit because step just froze so is she going to disappear like thanos again let's see step get up and and come back we'll see if She freezes like Thanos. Or disappears like Thanos.

Wow. This is a long freeze. He's this frozen. Okay, listen. I keep going back to that. Oh, can you see me? Oh, you froze for a good minute. I know, I know.

I can't believe I'm here again. Yeah, you're back. Okay, I'm back. Okay. Okay. Am I back? You back, baby. You back.

Woo! Okay. I just, I wouldn't have thought that this would be better. Not better. I like this more than The Last of Us, and I'm obsessed with The Last of Us. I think The Last of Us is so incredible. It should be nominated and that's kind of what I expect from a Mac series and what I expect from The Last of Us. And it's just exciting that there's a Star Wars show that I think that I'm having even more fun with.

Totally agree. It's, I would like to see what happens overall. Oh, look at Brett. There you go. Look at that. Oh, hi, Brett. Thanks. So, we are excited to continue talking about this, ending it with this.

Bix, Bix went by-bye. I like that they didn't kill her off. I still, as I said, Why didn't he go search for her? I was like, because of the big galaxy and they don't know where the hell she went. I was like, good point. So she's gone. The thing is, though, what we do, what we do, well, I'll be, I'll be careful with what I say.

But I'm glad that she, I'm glad that she took off. And it makes me realize you don't have to kill everybody, you know. I know. You said now, okay. I'm like half and half because I'm glad she didn't have to die, which is what I thought had to have happened just based off Rogue One. and where and or is as a character, but I am glad that she didn't die, and I thought that was very creative,

and a way that gave her more agency in her position within, like, like she decided this was her role to play for the galaxy, and it's better, hopefully, to get what they want. Her parting words with him were beautiful. Um,

I'm just like, how are you, how, I'm just curious how it's going to lead into her. one yeah we'll have to talk about it next week because i don't want let's have the conversation next week but but she just did some great stuff and i understand why she did what she did she realized how again how important he was and what you think we didn't really get into the first episode about the force healer and how that played into it yeah i love that i thought that was

really interesting especially because we've seen it in clone wars i think people were first being like really put on to it in rise of skywalker I think that's when Ray uses it and people are like, oh, they can force heal. So I really love the use of different, because there's still going to be able, there's still going to be people who exist within the galaxy forever with a connection to the force, whether or not it's the age of Jedi or not. So I thought that was really smart just to kind of set that tone. And I, but then I was a little confused, but I think we've always asked our question,

the question like what is Cassian's role? Is there more to do with it than what we think? Or is he just the small guy who can make a huge impact in the galaxy? Yeah. Well, we know, you know, we know from Rogue One the impact that he does have. So look, we talked a lot about Andor season two. I'm so excited to hear your thoughts. I've already been seeing a lot of them in the live chat. I hope to see it on the replay. And I hope that you're checking out the Clips Channel. We are Getting close to getting to 10,000 subscribers. I just put all of the clips from yesterday's interview with Lewis Pullman from Thunderbolts. And, you know, AKA Bob, AKA Century.

There's a lot of good stuff on there if you hopefully go check that out. But put your thoughts in there, comment, tell me what you think about and or. And before we get to our next topic, which we're going to do, we want to, oh, by the way, Steph, before we even move on. Did you hear that Mike's comments to the fans that didn't like Andor? That's what he did. Exactly. All right.

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had this huge bag of coffee i wanted to show it off and have it anyway um yeah i mentioned i had lewis pullman on you saw you i forget you said you saw thunderbolts yeah um no i haven't seen it okay no we're seeing it this weekend we're a week behind everything well you'll love you'll love you'll love louis pullman and he was and he was he was great he was very easy to talk to the interviews up there now one of things I hope some I hope people cover this because I keep seeing people going well you audition for Spider-Man that's what I had heard too you audition for Spider-Man I asked him I said so when you audition for Spider-Man he goes I never auditioned for Spider-Man I said oh he said I auditioned

for Craven and said and I said and I said Spider-Man adjacent and people are like oh well you he had audition for Spider-Man is like nope so I hope people pick that up because that's not what I meant anyways great guy really like talking to him that interview is on the channel I hope that everybody either checked it out or does check it out. It was yesterday's episode and it's doing fairly well. You can have all those, by the way, if you want to have like eight. Is that enough? You can probably work out. Guess. You bring it over here. You want to show them? I have, I have so much magic mind.

I continue to get magic mind. I'm giving Brett a bag of magic mind. Look at that. Oh, my gosh. How good is a camera looking right now for Steph? Really good. Okay, Brett. I'm mewing. Yeah. crushing it. I love the beard. Yeah, right? Okay.

A bag of magic, mine, that's gold. Yeah, I just give him a big bag, that's how I'm paying him. That's great. All right, let's get to this. Let's talk about Iger's new strategy. Thunderbolt is Marvel's new strategy. It is. Hold on.

Holy shit, that's terrible. All right. Let's see. No, that's not. There you. Good Lord. Disney CEO, Bob Eger, says that Marvel Studio Thunderbolts is the, I got to stop that. This is the prime example of Disney's new quality over quantity approach when it comes to Marvel Fair.

Speaking with the Wall Street analysts about the studio's quarterly results, Iger says that the solid results for the first three months of this year by the studio, a result of the Mouse House's new approach with the fewer works and more separation between film and TV. This time last year, he said Marvel's plan to reduce output and focus more on quality with the plans to reduce their output to around two TV series a year instead of four and reduced their film output from two or three. The aim is essentially for fewer projects, fewer flops, well, no shit. Turning each of the launches into more of an event. He said in our zeal to flood out streaming platform with more content, we turn to all over. our creative engines, including Marvel and had them produce a lot more. We've also learned over time

that quantity does not necessarily beget quality. Frankly, we've all admitted to ourselves that we lost a little focus by making too much. By consolidating a bit and having Marvel focus much more on their films, we believe it will result in better quality. And I think the first and best example of that is Thunderbolts. In terms of the overall Disney slate, he says he has a lot of confidence in it, saying it's as strong as any slate that I've seen in a long time. Well, in 2019, I think was our best year, the strongest I've seen since then. That slate includes Lilo and Stitch, Elio, the Fantastic Four First Steps, Tron Ares,

Utopia 2, Avatar, Fire and Ash this year, and then Avengers Doomsday, the Mandalorian and Grogo in the live-action Moana next year. Stephanie, hear these comments by Bob Eiger. What do you make them? Yeah, I mean, I think that focusing on quality rather than quantity, is the way a lot of studios are going.

It was just the natural ebb and flow, I think of inventing streaming, having streaming just progressively grow into the biggest thing ever, and then having the pandemic and the strike. And people are just, so they just overloaded on streaming, and now it did hurt their movie model. So I think that it's exciting that Thunderbolts is being so well received.

I wish they could have done, had that same energy with Captain America. It would have been nice to start the year like that. But that's okay. I'm just excited that they're back on track. I think it's cool for everyone who works at Marvel and like all the people involved, the studios and trying so hard to make these stories work.

I'm glad they're working now. It is and it is good to see it. And I think that if you look at it, I think the Captain America side of it was in the transition between what they're doing now. I also don't understand. You know what I realize that too? And you have to look at this way.

This is not an insult because you and I are considered YouTubers and people on the internet and things. I just think a lot of people that do this don't really understand how the business works. And I saw some videos and things that you're like, oh, man, Thunderbolts and made a little less than Captain America. That's a big box office disappointment. Oh, man, it's failed. What are they going to do now? Captain American can say that about because regardless of what they say, that budget was balloons to $350, $400, $400.

I don't give a sure what anybody says. It was a balloon budget, and it also, it cost a lot of money overall. And first week was big. And it was not, and the first week was the week that people came in, not big, it was a good weekend that they wanted. It was the second weekend that dropped off completely. And there was no word of mouth about it. It was like, it was either, it's fine or it was terrible, right?

That's not the case with this. They already changed the name of, for the market. of this movie and they're already looking at a smaller drop from what they said on the second week. It made the 75 that it was projected to originally. That's what it was projected to do. So it was on par. That's how, you know, because people said, oh, it didn't do better or 85, it's a failure. You don't understand how the business works.

Now, I'm not telling you that if week two, if there's a huge drop, and I've said this many times over, If week two turns out to be a 75% drop and it's, and it eats shit in week two, well, then you can start saying that. You can start saying that. But you don't understand the business. If you say, oh, man, it beat Captain America. It beat it.

It's a failure. You don't understand how the business works. Right. Second week is key. It could very well be a failure. If it doesn't pick up, it has like a 75% drop, could be a failure. but right now it looks like it's it looks like it's tracking to do pretty well yeah yeah i feel like the word of mouth with it has been really good and to me that really matters almost more than

anything these days with getting to the theater people just want to know like oh is it a movie i should go see so that we can talk about and that i need to talk about it now okay then i'll go and then sometimes take some weeks to trickle in especially when marvel is kind of revamping its it's it's loyalty I'm excited to see what it does this week and I hope it does really good. I do too. You're going to see it. So we're excited to see what I'm one of them. Yeah, I'm scared to see what you think about it.

So I got to ask you guys, what are your thoughts on Iger's comments? Because for me, I didn't really kind of address it to be honestly. Iger's comments, it's like, yes, of course. You know what? Not this time. Not this time. Stupid thing. Not that time.

I turned it off stuff before it could. That was a very old school ring. And that was an ad. So I like what he did. I like what he's talking about. I like how he's saying it. You know, it's like it makes sense. I wish Roker was on the show because I'll bring it up to him on Monday because I saw his tweet and I don't agree with it.

He's like, oh, of course he's saying that now. Of course he's saying that now. It's the fact that it's doing well, everyone loves it. Of course he's championing it now. And I understand what he was saying. But I still think that there was a reason why this, we were talking about this movie could be a high quality movie in the way that they're approaching it. And it seems like, I don't know if it's a lot of studios, but it seems like Disney right now,

it has gotten the note, cut your budgets. Now, Avengers is going to be astronomical. We know astronomical. We know that. But the rest of the movies, they're scaling down on budgets. And I think it makes a lot of sense. Yeah. But I like, I like this comments.

But I'll ask the audience what they thought of the comments. digging it not digging it what say you put your thoughts in there i got to know got to know if you like what he said if you don't like what he said um again we're on apple podcast we're on spotify we're on the clips channel on the live stream all that okay this is going to be an interesting one i'm interested stuff to get your thoughts on this because you know um that that harry Potter. Now, this is if we had Mike on the show, it'd be interesting to see what he thinks. But so J.K. Rowling has addressed the calls to fire Papa Sidu from the Harry Potter Max TV series. She addressed these. And this is the news story here. J.K. Cow Rowling has addressed calls to fire Papa

Sudu from the series. And fans have launched a campaign to remove Papa Sidu from the upcoming Max Harry Potter series due to his past public support for trans rights and they want JK Rally to join the movement. Mark Julian writes, fans of the iconic Harry Potter franchise are on the brink of a new chapter as Warner Brothers Discovery officially greenlights a live action TV series based on J.K. Relling's seven beloved novels set to debut on Max, the ambitious project is planned to span several years with each season devoted to faithfully adapting one book from the original saga. Unlike the film adaptations, the series will take full advantage of television's extended format, offering a deeper, more immersive dive into the intricate plots and magical world

that Rowland created. A release date has not been confirmed. Casey Blois, chairman and CEO of HBO and Max content, has emphasized the studio's commitment to authenticity and storytelling true to the source material. This new Max original series will dive deep into each of the iconic books that fans have cherished for years. Boyce said during the announcement with a devoted creative team will finally be able to explore the depth and detail of these beloved stories through the long-form storytelling,

that television makes possible. While excitement for the TV show is starting to build, one fan worry is centered around the involvement of the creator of the franchise. Despite growing anticipation for the Harry Potter TV series, some fans worry about J.K. Rowling's executive producer role due to her controversial stance on transgender rights. However, she's taking a somewhat surprisingly tolerant approach

in her response to fan cries for Papa Asidu, the actor who portrays Snape in the upcoming Max series, to be fired over his previous support of transgender rights. On social media, Rowling stated, I don't have the power to sack an actor from the series, and I wouldn't exercise it if I did. I don't believe in taking away people's jobs or livelihoods because they hold legally protected beliefs that differ from mine. Some fans are reportedly more upset by Papa Sidu, who's a black actor, portraying a traditionally Caucasian character from the books. They are allegedly attempting to leverage J.K. Rowling's views on trans rights to have the author call for his removal, but Rowling seems to be disregarding this.

in addition to Snape, the Max series will star yada, yada, yada, we'll all know that. All right, Steph. So I know that when we have these conversations and, you know, Mike usually will lay into J.K. Rowling. To me, she says the right thing. She said the right thing. No, it's actually hysterical that the fans are worse than J.K., who has become a true villain. That is crazy that she's seem she's like oh oh I'm not like I'm not a racist I just I just am a turf I don't think that you should be fired that's crazy I think she but I think she said the same thing

though too here what she said right where I think that everybody should look at this as well and this is this to me is an internet thing more than just specific to this topic she said I don't believe in taking away people's jobs and having people fired because of having opposing views. I echo those stances. I echo that. I think that it is in everybody's right that if you do not like her stance and the way that she talks about the subject and the things that she has said, you have every right to say, well, I do not and I will not support the stuff that she's

in tomorrow. Who's in it? I'm not going to watch the show. You have every right to do that. you do not have a right to say she should be she should leave the show she should be fired she should do this it's an opposing point of view from yours it's opposing point of view from a lot of the stuff she said a lot of opposing view for mine opposing view from steps opposing view for mics i do not believe she should be removed i don't know that she's fired and i'll be honest i like it i think that her stance and things that she said are um a lot of different

things that she has said has been irresponsible. I think that to a lot of people obviously hurtful. I disagree with you. I don't think she's a villain. I don't think she's a villain. I think she holds her thoughts and I think she has very different

conservative, way conservative points of views. And I think that there's a different, I think people throw around, and I not speak specifically to you, but I think a lot of times people throw around evil, people throw around those things. Like, evil is like Jeffrey Epstein. That's that's evil, right? Jeffrey Dahmer, evil. Why don't mean Jeffrey's evil? Evil.

Right. Um, but like, I think you could go into a whole different conversation with this, but I think she's 100% right when she says, the guy doesn't have the same point of view as I do. Why, why am I going to fire him? I think that a lot of people are up in arms that he is, that he's black. I think that's what it is. I've said this many times. over. If he's a good actor for this role, who cares? Who cares? So, I don't know. Thoughts on all that. Yeah, I think that I, I, the reason why I've become calling J.K. a villain is because she has such power and she has so much range and she has completely, she's done this fear mongering campaign. And me as a woman, I have never in my life been a, of a trans woman or have lost something because of a trans woman. So for her to instill this fear over a percent of the population that is so, so minimal and just wants to exist and so much so that the UK has now started

interjecting more laws, taking away trans rights. So she is inflicting harm onto others. And it's not physical, but, you know, word of mouth, like we've been talking about really matter. So to me, that makes her a villain because you're harming people who are completely innocent and just want to exist. But what I don't, but I agree in the sense, I don't think she should be forced to be off Harry Potter. That's she created it. I do, is there an irony in the fact that she created a story that has made people feel seen and protected and that good wins over evil? And now they feel like the person who created that

doesn't stand for anything that she wrote. I get them being like, can you not? But yeah, you can't force. That's her work. Yeah. And by the way, someone said she's not a killer, but she's still her words to have harm and hurt. That's exactly how I opened my thing.

That's exactly what Melissa. That's exactly what I said to open. I said she has caused pain. She has been sensitive. She has said things a thousand percent. But I just feel like, you know, that's what sometimes. And again, not to use, Melissa. But there are times that people don't.

here the other side of it. It's like like there's always this there's this really deep conversation that I had one time with with Ryan sat right. Let me ask you a question, Stefan. This is the same question that I would that I asked Ryan. So if there was somebody in general that from all of their life and the people that they were around was said was a good person, really good things, always helping people and then that person committed a heinous heinous crime

murder of let's say this is a horrendous crime you'd have to know the situation more I think to get a full breakdown of this but is it possible that because that person did one of the most evil acts ever

is that person that person's soul is that person in general is that person an evil person or is that a very evil act that that person did in that moment and will always be an evil act and we'll be always remembered for that and will be tainted for that forever um but is it possible for someone who was an evil to just do an evil act and then that is the person's you know the how you always remember them oh yeah yes i think it's absolutely there's a difference between an evil act and an evil person And I think the latter being way more rare than an evil act.

Because everybody has the ability if push comes to shove, if you're oppressed enough, if you're abused enough, or whatever it got you there, you could do, you know, like if you mess with my family, I could probably go places that I didn't know exist. So, yeah, I do think it's possible for sure. Yeah, it just depends on what it was. But there's difference also what we're saying, right? It's like you that or an act of revenge, an act of temporary insanity and things of that nature. It's a longer conversation in general.

It's a deeper conversation that we usually get on in these shows. But nonetheless, I'm so curious to hear what people are going to say about this one. Put your thoughts in there. Let us know. Comment, everything else you got to say about it. What say you? All right. Steph, now it's time.

It's the moment of truth. So actually, from what I found out, from Luke, 78 is the number that we're looking for here. 78. Okay. And currently, at the moment, I'm going to give you your number. You are looking at 24. Okay.

It's a good start to get into. And 58 minutes is what we've done thus far. Now we are going to get to the beginning of the stream. And we start with Go Pal, who says, looking forward to hearing your and our thoughts, once I get out from this under this. under this work week from hell. Here's some support in the meantime.

We're excited to see you back, go pal, when you do come back. Yes. And I'm also excited to hear your thoughts on the indoor once that does. And it's Thursday, so the week's almost over. That's true. You got to watch it. Did you watch the most recent episode of the studio? No, I'm behind this week.

I need to. I heard, I hear a little clip that was pretty good. And it's got a, yeah, it looks pretty funny. QM-E-S-MD support for Steph in the National Brain Tumor Society. 100%. Thank you. Thank you. Yes.

Yes, please. Jacob Black, has Sam seen Indiana Jones? I'd love to see her reactions on those movies, especially the original three. She's seen them, but it's like these movies where I've, because I asked her about Indiana Jones. She doesn't remember them. So if we did watch them, I obviously would not put first time watching up top because it wouldn't be.

She saw them when she was kids. But I had the conversation with her. about Star Wars and she goes I said what do you know about Star Wars she goes I know Luke's father from everything that she's seen in you know pop culture obviously she's been around the sea she's like and yeah yeah and I remember when I was a kid that my parents took me to see return of the Jedi which is the only Star Wars movie she ever saw and she remembers the little bears that's all she remembers oh my gosh nothing that's so cool exciting it is so we're going to watch she she does not want to see any star wars

damn she does not want to watch stories but but that star wars and harry potter she's never seen because harry potty only her kids were into harry potter so she never watched it oh my gosh i'm so jealous yeah that one we're going to watch soon gold searcher the clone wars is actually best star wars not as that and empire step back or a and or a world searcher i appreciate your opinion i disagree with you more than i disagreed at anyone in the last week um Because that's that to me. I like the Clone Wars a lot. It's good.

I love the Clone Wars. Not better than Empire Strikes Back or and or, in my opinion. In my opinion as well. Yeah, Mike Joyce. Was I the only one expecting some of the protesters to see if immolate in front of the monument? Hmm. I don't know what that means, Mike. I figured that would start everything off.

Was I the only one to expect some of the protesters to see if immolate in front of the monument? I think we missed. I think something happened to your hand in the middle of that typing. Okay. Mike, let me know what that word was because can you make what that is stuff? Brett, you're trying to figure the puzzle out? You got it? All right, read it slower.

Was I the only one expecting some? I'll read like Gary Busey. Was I the only one they did some of the protesters to see if him in a Malay in front of the monument, I figured that would start everything off. No idea. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Mike. Yeah, it's a shame that they're only doing two seasons.

This could have been Lucas's Game of Thrones. Easily could have done five seasons with each season one year. Agreed. I hope that they do, Steph, don't you think that they can do this kind of series with the old republic? Yes, I would live for that. And definitely there was a part of me that saw Yavin and how it's progressed in the past year. And I would have been very cool to see the building of that.

And kind of like them getting there, landing there, deciding their plan, how they're going to like make their rankings. Who are the rest of these people involved? But I respect what they're doing. And it still was fine. I hear you. But I think it is a little bit if they were going to make this their Game of Thrones, us knowing the outcome. like the reason why not the reason but a huge pull of the Game of Thrones was who's going to end up on we know how this so it's like you take that away that's why i want to see them do like a differently

i really what i'm hoping happens is that james mangold starts such a great chain reaction from his movie in that time period that they start exploring that era and start doing more like you know serious shows for adults so i hope yeah my choice do you think we could see bix in mandolorean or Orsoka, no world. No world. And I wouldn't want her. Um, no, yeah. I thought there was a part of me that was like, is there any chance in which she could be pregnant? And then we get an andorbix baby later in, but I, I don't think so, but I don't think a Mandalorian or Asoka. Crystal 2.0, I shed actual tears for Cheryl. Great storytelling. Yeah, they make you, they made you care about him. he was a sad sack sure super sad yeah 24 right now step 24 can you take out roxy this week

keep going yep Dennis Hoffman and or is the best spy drama sincerely since the americans that moment with didger and cyril made me so sad for him brilliant patient storytelling that's what i hope people will understand even let me ask people let me ask people that question if you have been in this comment section over the course of the last couple of weeks talking about how you may be like and that's why I'm curious like I wish Mike was here because I could ask them the same question

if you didn't like the last three or thought the last three were slow do you understand of how their relevance and how important those first six episodes were to lead to this you do not if you just started with this these three episodes like for people I hope nobody writes

and I haven't seen this comment yet but like well this is the kind of this is the stuff they should have opened with you wouldn't have had the same impact you would not have the same impact So I'm curious. Good head stuff. No, not at all.

We needed to build out an entire new people, the Gorman people. Like, we didn't know anything about them, who they were, how they function. So that's a whole area to take on. There's probably, if that's the criticism, I can kind of agree with the fact that I would have liked to see more and or in the beginning, the same amount that we're getting now. but it didn't end up matterings. It just gave it more impact that he had been doing all of these missions and then you get him now. Right. Sean McCabe, what's up, Sean?

Andrew has been an amazing television. Can't wait for the finale. Christian, thank you for the three months of awesomeness. Thank you, Sean. Support for Steph. You're amazing. Finally, congratulations to Pope Rio. Yeah, first American Pope, Steph.

Yeah, I know. That's interesting. He wasn't even on some of the front. It's so fascinating. That conclave just came out. And I feel like I have a way better. understanding of how this works or else I would have had literally no idea you're not wrong I it's funny because I saw it today it's actually when at the gym they were playing and I looked up and

I was like oh I know the whole process on how they actually did they had to vote it didn't take as long as it did in conclave right but yeah it was he was one he wasn't even a front runner so I was like oh man to be a fly in the room no how did he get up there candles were broad right Yeah, 100%. Daniel Breen, I love episode 7 through 9, but I do wish the release schedule was weekly. I think it is a better impact for me because you have time to digest it at all.

Had I not seen the season, I would have agreed with you, but the way that these episodes are structured, I don't think weekly would have worked for this show. I just don't, as Steph said, these three episodes play like one big movie, and you can't make the episodes three hours long. unless you're doing stranger things type stuff but i i i yeah i i don't i don't i don't agree with you on

that one daniel normally normally i am on the same page but not for this one stuff did you do you think maybe you might be on the opposite page would you like to see these uh weekly no i think the the way this works is perfect because they they aren't built to end with a week in between like some of them Some of them, sure, it's like you got so much so you could have marinated on a week. But some of them, it's like clearly that's the setup. Right. Well, Nate, you should have Star Wars theory on to debate and or he's the top Star Wars guy on YouTube and he hates it. He stopped covering it.

Thanks for all your content. Well, I mean, look, but if somebody doesn't like and doesn't want to cover, look, I, I didn't, I didn't hate skeleton crew, but I didn't cover it. Because I was, I was like, this show just isn't for me. And I bailed on it, right? And I said the same thing. What I won't do is say to someone, if somebody said, that's funny, Roxy, who has not been into the show, just literally just texted me and said,

seven was incredible, eight was pretty good too. And I said, yeah, that's what I mean. It's like that lead up. So I'm looking forward to having a conversation with her. Yeah. So, but going back, like, what I won't do is say, well, you don't like it. You don't understand Star Wars then.

It's like, it's the same thing that the person, that one person I saw that video, the guy drove me nuts. And he said like, what are you guys complaining about having good Star Wars? And you said you won't watch a skeleton crew. Then you guys aren't real Star Wars fans. It's like, stick it up your ass. It's like, you know, you can't say that.

And the same way, you don't like Andor. You don't like Andor. And it's not for you. You want more of the, you know, the lightsabers and the Pew Pugh, then that's what you like. That's what you like. And that's fine. For me, I just think the show is brilliant. I think it's the best show so far.

But people can like what they like. and don't like what they don't like. For sure. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. So, okay, next one after that. Thank you to everybody here.

Mirror domains. I get choked up about episode eight. How do you top that now? I told you, like, look, these three episodes are my favorite. I've changed my stance and I think that I'm going to rank them. I go these three in my number, the arcs, there's four arcs. This is my first favorite arc. These three we just saw.

Next week's are my second favorite. are okay that's good then last weeks were my third and then the first three my last yeah the whichever one had the screaming uh early early early early rebellion forces that were confused going back and forth screaming at each other yeah that was my least favorite yes yes that was number two it was that the first okay okay so that that i mean it wasn't bad to me just wasn't my favorite jacob fleck hope the darth malle show gets pretty dark i think it could i think he's got a shot too like like same what were as a producer on the show too and there's you can be hard to find someone that understands star wars the way that he does he really really does um josh vascovich the amount of times

i said oh holy shit during episodes eight and nine yeah same i would say i'm so upset though that you didn't have hammer on you, Steph. I know. I know. I was like, yeah. Let's see, Mirjam. Steph, I totally agree with you. Both and or and Last of Us are awesome and magnificent shows. So good. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. But I'm so sad that we're, we're like, it feels like we're revving up the relationships and Last of us and we're kind of losing our main relationship, all of the romantic relationships, I think, ended by now, right? Yeah, yeah. Because there's Cyril and

Dedra, there's Bixen, Andor, and Mon Moth, my guess, if you consider with her husband. And the ladies, and the other guy got, and the other one got whacked last week, remember? Yeah, oh, yeah. So that's the end of romance. Yeah, Kate Herbert. How was Andor and K2

intro different in the comic? He goes on, like, some of mission with these twins, these alien twins, and they find them in some lab or something. I can't remember what it was, but it's nothing like this. It has nothing to do with the Gorman Massacre at all. I think it actually makes more sense this way, to be honest. I think it plays better this way.

So yeah. Raff's UK Rafton. Ander shows me there still is magic in Star Wars. This is what I try to tell people all the time. There is more magic in any franchise that you think is dead and that you don't think is working anymore. There's always more magic in it. I always use Terminator as the example.

There's always more magic in it depending on who is doing it. Look at Karate Kid. Look at Kobra Kai. Right. Everyone, everyone said, what are they doing? They're making a karate kid series? What are they doing? They're going to ruin it even more.

And then because the guys knew it was their Star Wars, they brought love to it and they made it work. Tony Gilroy had a very different approach to Star Wars. And I think Star Wars needs different now. I cannot stand. And Mike said that in his text. The same one, well, that's not what Star Wars is. Star Wars doesn't do that.

Maybe it's time to kind of pivot a little bit. It's okay to pivot. Pivot a little bit. Pivot. Pivot. Yeah. What do you think? Yeah, I completely agree with that statement.

I think, and I felt the same way, Raffs. I was like, oh my gosh. Like, Star Wars is back. It was so, each week has been even more. exciting where I just am so so excited to watch the episode as soon as it drops right same um okay let's see Michael Baldwin what if Star Wars movies are classic and Disney Plus is adult that makes sense that makes total sense because you can't do a show like this or movie like this on a 200 million dollar budget the people who have spoken loud

about how boring it is and this and that they're going to make up for ticket sales and that could hurt you you have to make a movie like this 70 to 100 million dollars right like that's how you're going to have to do this type of star wars movie in order to do it because star wars the IP will get you in the door but you got to do it smaller but tv shows i think they all should be adult but guess what not going to happen now with uh not what dave doing the show ain't going to happen and and Imagine if Dave Filoni actually looked at it and said, and people are really responding to the end or way more than any one of the shows that I produced, way more than any show that I did.

People are actually looking at this as like real television. The writing is really solid. People really like this. Maybe I should make Asoka too. Maybe I should bring in some writers to help me. Instead of writing all the scripts myself, maybe I should bring in some writers to help that can craft, you know, screenplays.

I've been doing this for a while. And maybe I'll do. And what if I made Asoka? season two like this, but that won't happen. I just, I am curious where he's at creatively because as a creator, I think you do, you definitely have to make a decision of depending where you're working and stuff, but what, who am I making this for? And I'm curious what his answer is like, is it for the kid, like, is it just like,

oh, the kids, the newer generations getting introduced? Or, you know, is there a part of him like Gilroy, who is like clearly trying to make lasting content that is for critics alike to fans? Agreed. Haskell. Hey, Christian, hey, Steph. How about those nicks? Oh, man. BDB wins 20 in the third.

I put a dollar wager on DK at 7-1 odds when they were down 18. Here's five of it. Thank you so much, Haskell, for that. And yeah, it was so funny because I talked, I had put a bet on the first, the first game, one. And then I told my buddy, it was like, I go, I was going to put a significant amount on game two. And I was like, am I just getting greedy here? There's no way they're going to be able to take Boston out in game two in Boston after beating them in Boston in game one. And then they did by one.

I was like, holy crap. I'm glad that I didn't. But at the same time, I was like, oh, are you paying attention to any of this stuff? A little bit. I watched the most of the highlights. So I'll do like the 20 minute highlights of the main games. I, but the part that got me more than the game is the Knicks fans.

What? You guys are crazy. You are, oh my God, Knicks fans are insane. I saw this poor woman in the arena. Security Guard trying for her life to get this group of about a hundred lasting Knicks fans that would not leave.

And she's like, please get out. And they're like, no. You don't just get how big this? This is huge. These are defending champions that we have a 2-0 lead going back to the garden. Like everyone can. I saw some ridiculous woman on Instagram who was a Celtics like influencer. And she's like, get your brooms out.

Get your brooms out. Because it's going to be a sweep. Where's your follow up video? And I hope and I really do hope that if the Knicks do sweep, there's no world that it'll happen. But if they do, I really do hope that someone splices together. It's going to be a sweep and they go, you were right. Sweeping Boston is probably going to be next to impossible. But I think they could win. If they went, if they go up, if they go up three by on Saturday,

holy, beating, they were heavy underdogs. Yeah. Johnny Venerable. While Mando, season one, two, remains my favorite. I understand the importance of supporting Andor I want to see this quality done for Jedi Sith Underworld Stories. That is what we're talking about, Steph. Like, the next show, if they do a show like this and this quality,

should be in the fantastical, should be the infused with more of the Pew Pugh and lightsabers and everything to. And by the way, I love that stuff too, but if it's the only thing you want to see it, I think you should want to, like Johnny says, you should want to see stuff like this. And you shouldn't just dive into the pop. of what they did with the Andorra. That was that story. You should do a more serious story with the Jedi and the Sith, right? Yeah, completely. I, I, I'm obsessed with Jedi Sith and then underworld stories. I'm definitely not in the camp of like, only focus on the politics. It just is there has to be something that does. And so making that the architects of the, um, the empire that we see beginning in and a new hope is brilliant. And that's why it's, this is. This is. why it's working for the show.

But in the next series, yeah, I would love to see this level of depth in the writing and the characters be with the fantastical and with the way more of the force and with like bringing back that like old Yoda talk. Imagine they actually would have wrote scripts for the Obi-1 series. Yeah. Like instead of, hey, we love that Benny Hill video.

Let's do a Benny Hill series. The worst. But like imagine if they would have done like this type of quality for Obi-One. Like that's the type of stuff like that you can really dive deep. Like that show called for that. That's the show that called for that. I understand if Asoka doesn't necessarily call for that.

I get it. But that show that show from the deep from the depression and everything that Obi-Wan's going through and all that show called for this kind of treatment, not flee chasing a kid in the woods with a bunch of aliens going like, this. It was absolutely ridiculous. Mike Joyce, Steph, I know you're going to show up for the opening night of clown in a cornfield tonight, right? Do you hate clowns? No, I will, I mean, what? Yeah, I don't love clowns, but this sounds like one of those really, really scary movies. Is this just like you're stuck in a cornfield and a clown is killing people? Probably sounds like I mean, oh my gosh, Mike.

I feel like you nailed it. Noah C. Thank you. Just putting in a book there, Noah. appreciate it. Okay. 32 right now, Steph with about 40 minutes left to go. Can you catch Roxy? We shall see. Noah C.

Did you all see the Star Wars Tales of the underworld? If so, your thoughts, especially given massage history. Yeah. I'm similar to to skeleton crew. I don't have an interest anymore. How about yourself?

Did you watch it? I haven't watched it yet. We almost put it on after, but I just, it got too late. So I'm going to watch it. I'll definitely watch it because I like Tales of the Jedi. And Taylor. I didn't even watch Tales of Incarra.

Okay, I saw it was good too. Yeah, so I'll probably check this out this week. I'm just tired of the, it's just the same. It's the same character's time period over and over and over again. I'm like, I get it. I'm glad people are enjoying it though if they did. But no, I have no interest in seeing. Okay.

Next one after that is Mirjam, loved, Motha speech she jenovirale is crushing this she's so good yes she's so good uh this is armada i was a bit iffy on and or four through six based on its pace but seven nine made it impactful for sure that's my point hopefully matt can get the rock on the show for smashing machine that would be awesome and we'd have to i'd probably have to go through try to see we can get them through boss but that would be great if we can get him but i got to get um but i got to get matt matt is the most humble human being in the world and he doesn't he doesn't he doesn't he likes to just do his thing and he'll ask you know say hey you want to do my podcast there somebody doesn't like you know he if he doesn't really know them or anything

too he doesn't want he doesn't want to make it seem like you know he's bothering people and he's not because he's people love to talk to him but he's just like that he's he really is the best i was talking to um somebody the other day we're talking about him he's he's a he's a he's a great human being he really is um i hope that we can get the rock on the show it'd be great i'm sure the rock would be awesome great mike joy's i meant i meant i meant i I thought they were going to set themselves on fire. Like some protesters have gone to protest war. I figured that's what the Molotov cocktail were.

Oh, I see. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't have been surprised if they would have done that in this show. Like the places that they went in this show were pretty, pretty ballsy. Yeah, definitely. That would have been pretty crazy, but I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have been shocked. Yeah. Armada, will mall have the same animation as. Clone Wars and Rebels, I'm sure.

And it should. It's consistent. It's in the same, it's the same thing. I'm sure it would. Yeah. I like Clone Wars animation. Yeah.

Viz Wizard. We need an Andor level show about Operation Cinder post episode 6. So much on Tap story there. Operation Cinder was Palpatine's Postchamus planned to burn loyal words and worlds and erase the empire with him. Yeah. So what I mean?

like let's let's play into that kind of stuff too but copy this please please someone go are you seeing everybody and how much they love this like let's do more stuff like this i hope i really hope but go ahead stuff yeah that would be cool i didn't even know about this so that would be there's so much within it you always think like oh what can they tell but you forget that we only see the biggest parts of an explosion but there's so much that leads into it yes exactly um okay next one dancing dog 60 did rogue one do well box office wise yeah i made a billion dollars um yeah i mean i want to i want to know exactly how much but it um pretty sure it made one point would it make let's say it made you all no just just over a billion dollars yeah it was it was like they had

that was when they were firing like box office wise they were firing at all so It was Force Awakens, a billion dollars. This, billion dollars. Last Jedi, billion dollars. And even, didn't episode nine? Did episode nine make? I think so. I think everything, all of them made, those ones did.

Let's see. What the hell was the last one called? They always forget. The hell was it called? Rise of Skywalker. Yeah. Why is the Skywalker made? Yeah.

Made a little bit more than Rogue One. Yeah. All of those minus Solo. Solo was the only one that didn't make a billion dollar. Okay. So next one after that. And we get Jonathan Rodriguez. Both side of our stupid and dumb in politics sides are hypocrites and believes in one thing and do another.

I only just want a good movie TV to escape from my reality, not to be lectured and preachy real life politics. I agree. I love how they ended up. I agree and disagree at the same time. Because I think about people, it's like when things are preachy and it feels like that's all it is is preachy and it's beating you over the head. I've said this a million times over. There are so many movies that have messages.

The question is, is it subtle? How does it play? Does it feel like it's part of the world? Andrew to me feels like part of the world of what's going on there. Like Star Wars, the original Star Wars movies had politics and had themes and had messages. and was based off of real world events and all that stuff too. So it just, is it subtle?

But Steph, yeah, I, that's the best. I'm going to end. I love the confidence. Agree? I,

I, yeah, what you're talking about is the quality of writing, whether you might know it or not, because as a writer, you're taught and you realize after reading hundreds of scripts that every single script, script has a point of view.

It is the lifeline of a movie or a show is the POV. They are telling a point. They might not have gone into it with saying, I'm going to tell a story about oppression and how people become a revolution. But stories become that. And then there is a very strong POV and the best stories have an extremely strong POV. Whether or not you like the writing is its execution.

of the POB. So I agree and disagree with what you're saying. Joshua Gonzalez, good luck to the next Star Wars project to keep up. Yeah, what is the next? I mean, it's Mandelorian and Grogu, I think, is the next thing, right? That's the next, it's the movie. Now, I think so. But going back to the last person who put that in there about the movies, right? As long as the movie, as like Mandelaarian, do not be tricked. Mandeloreen and Grogo is going to be a.

two-hour long episode of the television show that was basically written. It was the entire next season condensed into a movie in the same way that they did with Moana, making it live action of this time. And you got John Pavro who's directing it, but it's going to be a fun return to the Star Wars world. It's not going to be as layered as this.

It won't be. It's the show, though, the next show that is going to have big shoes to fill. because if it's and I think it's Assoca season two is why I said that before I really hope phony reconsider and doesn't write all the scripts himself because it's it's too it's too ego driven and it's too um like I'm the only one that can write this no man you really can't your dialogue's not that great your storytelling's good you're a good storyteller but your dialogue's not that great and it comes off very cartoony um you really really need some help you need

some punch up. But I don't know, Steph, do you disagree? I, I, no, I don't disagree with the fact that I don't think Volone should write every single project that Star Wars does. I think that he should do the project that he feels very strongly

about, which seems like it's just writing, okay, he's not reading the other stuff. He's writing, he's writing the full season for Asoka, but I still think that's a bad idea. Yeah, that's tough because it's like, I don't know, like that's his baby, so I don't know how you get detach him from that but I always think with most big who are like visionaries they need help with dialogue a lot of people need punchups and dialogue even the best writers get punchups with

dialogue I think it's very important to have be able to be open to criticism so it will be nice if he does have a more collaborative room for season two I'm not saying take him off it I'm just saying, hey, you know what? Like, I'm not, he's not a seasoned screenwriter. It's like, hey, you know what I'm going to do? Let's bring everybody in here. Here's where I want this to go. This is what I like to see.

I need it punched up. I need better dialogue and stuff too. But this is the essence of what the scene is about. It's this, this, this and this. And he need, I think, you know, the problem that Lucas ran into, he's got a lot of yes men around him. I wonder if that's the same thing that's happening of phaloony. That's interesting.

Yeah. The vitamin dealer. I still am not going to get over the fact that I called him the vitamin dealer one time. The vitamin. Yes, the vitamin. What if and or it's successful and the lesson they learn isn't quality, but they don't want people that people don't want the force, lightsabers or deep lore.

And I hope that's not what the lesson is that they're going to take. And you never know. I don't think that's an unreasonable question to ask because this is the type of stuff that does happen in rooms in the same way that you look at what Lucas film did after solo bomb. They're like, no, no, no, no. people don't want to see standalone stories. They don't want to see Obi-One.

Let's make it a TV show instead. Let's not do that. That's the type of stuff that happened. That's old-school mentality in just how this business works. And it's the same thing that I said, no, it's not that. It's you got to make good stuff. And you got to make things that people are going to care about. And if you go more into the quality, into the lightsabers and all those different things,

I would love to see. I'm telling you, Tony Gilroy doing an old Republic show. I don't know if I would be happier. I really just don't know if I'd be happy with that. I know. It just never going to happen. Never going to. I don't want to say never, but it's as close to never as we can get.

You can say never. But look, you need about 40 more to Tyroxie right now. You're at 37. So, okay. Keep it up, guys. Half an hour left. Yeah, we need a big comeback. And we might be getting close to the end here, too.

Dancing Dogs 60. If you have the chance to choose between the evil and lesser of two evils, choose less evil. Duh, Obi-Wan Kenobi. Yeah, that's a great quote by Obi-Wan. Azura Wolf. My Star Wars has always been the pre-Disney Legends universe. That said, and or is the best non-Lucah Star Wars no contest.

As far as, like, you know, professionally written, real quality HBO Max-type television, How do you disagree with that? Right. Yeah. The third man three. What is she proposing? Yes. We need it back.

Steph, what I will tell you, though, is this going into, this is the same thing. You asked me beforehand, do these three follow up for this one. What I will tell everyone that is going into next week's episodes, do not watch these as the, don't watch episode 12 as if it is the series finale. Because it isn't. And or is, or Rogue 1 is the series finale. Like this is the issue. You're like, oh, man,

the episode 12 is like, I need to see more. Go watch Rogue 1. It is, it is literally, it is literally the series finale. So you have to, you have to watch it that way. You can't watch it like going, oh, that's the series finale. It's like, no, Rogue 1 is the series finale. Jacob Fleck, can't wait to rewatch Road 1 after Endorphin. Yes, you're going to.

Yeah, I'm going to do the same thing. All right, Steph, I've said this to you a billion times over, and then it's never been this way. But for now, this is the last one. Okay. Noah C. How long do you think it will be before Star Wars gets away from the normal Luke Palps timeline? They need a new regime.

When they get a new regime, that's when it's going to happen. and there's no new regime just yet. But again, like I said, my biggest fear is, and it seems to be pushing more towards this, it seems like they're going to give Filoni the ultimate chair when she leaves, and then you're just going to get the same old shit. That's the problem.

Dancing Dog 60. If you ever played the Sega Genesis Spider-Man game, the Batman level used to piss me the hell off. It took me forever to get past him. Jesus. I didn't even know that there's Batman was in Spider-Man. Yeah, what? I don't even know that.

That's great. I haven't even heard of this. I don't either. Okay, so right now, right now, we are at 39 and about the sign off. However, if I can even tell you how many times on the way to sign off, people throw in their questions and the next thing you know, Steph has won the week.

I don't know if that's going to happen now, but I'm going to give Steph a chance to, oh, there you go, Armada. Better pitch. GTA show or movie based on games. Grand Theft Auto show or a movie based on games. Oh, a show or a movie. For that, I think, I think movie. I think a movie for Grand Theft Auto would then a show. What do you think?

Okay, I've played Grand Theft Auto way back. In its original form, I don't know how it's evolved or changed. I've seen some of the commercials for this newest one coming out. But what is the, I don't remember a story at all. I just remember that you could just like do whatever you wanted basically. And you're just, you're stealing some stuff and getting away with it. Is there a, is there more, I saw in this trailer, there's more of a story happening.

That goes back to what I was saying before. You'd have to, you can't, it just can't be about a guy, you know, throwing people out of cars. I'm like randomly beating up strippers. It's like, what? There's got to be a score behind it. All right. So this is the last one for now.

Peter Kalenko, thank you, Peter. Episode 8 is soul crushing. I'm from Ukraine originally, and this whole false flag up to invading, destroying Gorman hits on a deep level. Yeah, the distress signal with the voice. For sure. Yes. Yeah, 100%.

As Steph said, stuff from today, stuff of yesterday year, it's all in there, for sure. Okay. Well, Steph, I'm going to give you. you a chance to sign off and in the time sign off maybe there's another one that comes in if not we will be back here tomorrow with Winston and Coy what do you got at steps abroad and hopefully I'll be launching my YouTube channel but I'm doing all my editing right now so that's what's taking me longer than I thought but I'll keep you guys updated okay but before we go there is another one one truth would you like a series with Mon Mothma as the lead called Bothens leading to the

return of the Jedi. I mean, I'd like them to, anything right now with her, it would be great. But I think that the same, it's, I'm just a broken record here. Who's writing it? You know, like who's, because you looked at what Genevieve O'Reilly did under the writing of Tony Gilroy and, um, and, um, his brother, right? You looked at them together and what they did. And that's, uh, they knew, they knew what they wanted from her. I just would like to see good writing. You know? Yeah. Armada. Black bag movie is now on Peacock. Reaction? No, no reaction to it because I just don't feel like that would perform. I do think, like, so Brett's here and we were talking about doing a reaction, and I might actually do one with him. We might, he and I might, and we're not

going to crack jokes on it, obviously. We're probably going to watch warfare, which is what I want to see. And I haven't seen that one yet. So warfare is one we're going to see. And then Minecraft comes out soon. I'll probably be watching that with either Tina or Brett. Yes, Brett specialty is not cracking jokes. So we'll see what happens. Nate, are you going to watch the OG trilogy after Rogue 1? I actually feel like that's how I'm going to watch it with Sam.

I think I'm going to show Sam Rogue 1 first and then episode 4, 5, and 6. Is she watching Indoor? No. Okay, I would be so curious what a person who hadn't seen Rogue 1. I know, but the person. problem is it's like i i just don't think i'd be able to get her to watch those on her own i know i know i get it yeah um but i agree with you dancing dog cissies pirating movies still a thing sure of course it is someone asked me about that they were like do you ever just like get your movies

online and i said i am too big of uh the theater is my love i could never no no no way peter do we know what Luthan and Mons relationship is or how they got involved in a rebellion together? I mean, yeah, you see that in season one. They kind of, you know, Mon's going through. In season one, she's like a politician who starts to kind of question things, and he's already been at it. And like, yeah, I don't want to, I don't want to ruin anything else because there's a lot that I can say about Luton, but I'll let you watch the rest before you do that.

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