The Kristian Harloff Show - IS AVATAR: THE WAY OF WATER THE BEST MOVIE OF THE YEAR? (SPOILER DISCUSSION) | Big Thing

Episode Date: December 19, 2022

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Man, Avatar, too. Avatar the Way of Water. It came out. It's doing business. And we're going to talk about it on the show today. It's a spoiler-heavy review. I didn't even a review, really. It's going to be a spoiler-heavy discussion of Avatar the Way of Water.

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Let's get into it. It's Avatar. It's The Way of Water. It's a spoiler discussion. I'm ready. Are you ready? Oh, that's cool to know. Good.

Welcome back, everybody. Spoiler-heavy discussion. For what I think is one of the best movies of the year. I've got to be honest. Brett Sheridan's here to talk about it. Kay Mulligan is here to talk about it. We're all here to talk about it. Let's do it, everybody.

It's the big thing. All right, so, first and foremost, hi. Howdy, do you like that howdy? Howdy, but it's also just your immediate calling yourself out. Howdy. Howdy, everyone. Yep, I just said, howdy. Howdy-d-d-duddy-do dody-do. I hope my mic was muted because I was.

Otherwise, you hear me go. Yeah, that's all right. I always appreciate the laugh. It validates me somehow in my life. I like to do the Ernie. Let's get into this movie, everybody. Oh, man, oh, man, oh, man, oh, man. Isn't it good?

It's just such a good movie. It is so incredibly, I think, powerful. It is visually just stunning. I can't, yeah. Go ahead. Yeah, there's not another, I mean, I remember seeing the first Avatar in theaters with the 3D glasses and and I have the same reaction like at some point like oh the bridge of my nose hurts but other

than that I'm like wow you really are transported there was something I don't know if it's if this is standard with all theaters the sound shook the seats it was it just was we were in pandora for three hours it was like almost a buzzkill to leave the theater because you had to leave pandora it was so just like little flex of things floating and I'm like are Well, that's someone, someone to me in the reaction that I did. So, well, you said you felt that Black Panther was a little too long and could have been shaved off. The second one by like 15 minutes. Did you feel the same way about this one?

I didn't. They said, well, how come? And I said, well, because to be completely honest, it's one of those things that if you shaved off 15 minutes of it, would it hurt the movie? No. But the thing is, I'm sitting there in the theater watching it. And if I saw an alien pissing on a tree for five minutes, I just. I just want to watch the alien piss on the tree because I felt like Kate said, like I was in Pandora, just 3D IMAX, you're immersed in it.

You could just watch them, yeah, swimming around for an hour just because of just the, I was in awe of the underwater scenes and the creatures. I mean, I felt like you were there. I love the glowing ones. The glowing creatures in my favorite. Yeah. When I got home, my husband was like, why are you home so late? And I said, because the movie was three hours and told him, he's like,

effing hell. I'm like, no, actually, I am the first person that has a problem with movies that are too long, Irishman, anyone. Like, don't even get me down that path. That movie could have been one hour, and I would still be like, yeah. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

But this movie, I was like, part of it is just us watching them get adjusted to the water world. Like the middle portion of the movie is us just seeing them train on these animals. Is it necessary? No. Is it amazing? I'll push back on that. Yes.

I'll push back on that. I do think that was necessary. Because I think that the way that there was a lot of things that they, that James Cameron inside the writing of this, let you know about that just was so smart and so much where you're, you're watching the movie and you're going, okay, that's a question I probably would have had.

But now that you've set this up inside of that three hours, I get it. And for, like, one of those examples is like right off the beginning. I'm thinking to myself, but how are they going to do this whole movie for the majority of it where there's not going to be a lot of humans in it, I don't think? And they're going to be speaking Navi the whole time.

Are they going to do that? And then Jake Sully says with that, he goes, you know, I learned the Navi language pretty quick. And after a while, it just started to sound like English. That was a way for them to go, they're speaking Navi. You're just going to hear English. I thought it was so smart. And they played with that throughout the movie. Like when spiders like interpreting for them, he's talking, you know, that's the one time we go back to it.

But when they're in the water place, they're all talking Navi. We just hear English. Yeah. I guess what I mean by it's not necessary is just that like you can drop those little things and that will justify something that happens later, they could have done it. I just didn't, I didn't feel like any minute was superfluous. It was just like I didn't feel like any of it was too much.

And I am, I genuinely don't ever have that. No, I know. Well, it felt that way to me, the same that you're saying, like when, like that, that scene, so they, we know how great a warriors they are. Yeah. We know that inside of the way that they've mastered the forest and all these things. The only question I had, though, with all that, because Jake Sully and his crew, where they're like the William Wallace crew

that is like going to fight and and the humans are going to come after them and try to take them out, right? Because they want to take over that particular place. But now that Scully's on the run, why don't they just overtake the forest? It's a great question. That's the only thing I was thinking.

I was like because they know these, because Sully's, they've got him on the run and he's hiding. Yeah, wait a minute. Why are they coming after him? The one guy comes after him, obviously, for personal reasons. But like why did the Eni Falco version? But he's not even going after him necessarily for personal versions. He is after he's put on the mission, but his mission is snuff him out, get him out.

And Edie Falco, maybe they could even have a scene like he's on the run. Who cares? He's gone. Don't pursue it. I do feel like she disappeared from the movie suddenly. She only has that one scene and she's gone. But I don't know. And I'm, and sometimes I ask questions like this and I miss certain things.

So people are out there and they're like, well, there's a certain reason why. But again, it's like, maybe it was that. Maybe it was the fact that he wanted for that personal reason to go after him, but everything in the way that they set it up inside of that in the beginning with his kids. And I was worried about that. I was like, okay, they're going to kind of push him to the side. It's just going to be focused on the kids. We're going to just have this kid relationship.

They're going to build. They're going to force new characters down our throats and we're not going to care because they want to focus on something else. They did do that and I was cool with it. Yeah. Because they set up the kids wonderfully. Yeah. And Sully wasn't buried. And Zoe Saldano, she wasn't.

And she wasn't buried. They just were doing certain things. And they were trying to adjust inside of this new culture. And the relationship building, and we've seen that story before where the younger kid is the one who is trying to go out and do it, not listening. And the older son was the one who's doing everything right. And then eventually has to do that.

We've seen, there's been, that's why I said in my initial reaction. There's some repeating bits of things we've seen in the past, similar to the first one. But I mean, I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. Brett, what did you think? Well, I just wanted to clarify for you. E.D. Falco was there to show you that really cool robot thing where she could drink coffee.

Oh, yes. That was great. That was great. That I loved. For some pretty, I was just like, that is so cool. I want one of those. But what did you think overall? Overall, I loved it.

I will say in the beginning, I was in awe of everything, but also I was a little bit of like, okay, this has got to pick up for me. Yeah, yeah, because. and maybe it was also because I wanted them to tell me more things. I should have done a rewatch, you know. Oh, okay. I was trying to remember it. I was probably in my head going like, okay, what was the deal with this one and that way? You know, and then is how did solely become like, is he frozen somewhere?

That's something I was thinking at one point. No, no. He's just a full on. He turned, at the end of the first movie, he basically transferred his soul into that avatar. That's what I thought. Just like the military guys doing. this movie that's right so they were but the military differently though because the military guys had that that that bond and i love that spin to it by those wondering how they were going to bring

sully back and they just had and even bringing back giovanni rabisi and that scene was great too but they had like chips implanted in them so they took all of the memories all the memories and they were implanted sully had his full being his soul like that like where that's not really that's not really what i'm not sully did i say what did i say sally again yeah yeah but not Sully. Shoot, what was the... The Gorney. No, what's the main...

I'm talking about the chip for the main villain. Yeah. His name is Captain. Captain Slash Head. No, I'll get it in a second. Captain Bad Guy. But it's played by Stephen Lang. So that's what I meant, by the way.

So Stephen... What an asshole. Yeah, right. Stephen Lehu, he totally has Corch. It's a Corridge and his crew. Oh, yeah, Corridge. Yeah. Corridge and his crew, they have the chips put in them.

Their bodies are gone. In the real world. He died. So Porch dies at the end of the first one. So that's why the difference spread between, like, between Sully and him is, that is silly. How is he going to bring porridge back? Because Corrach is that that's not, they even say it.

They even, they even said it to the Edie Falco says or is that's not your son. Yeah. It's not your son. Yeah. Because it's not. It's just, it's a avatar who has the memories. The memory. That's Sully. He just took his, he just transferred his consciousness and his soul into another body.

So that's the difference. And then Sigourney Weaver. It was the other question is how they're going to bring Sigourney Weaver back. And I thought the way they did that was brilliant. It's her daughter. Yeah. And that was just the little snippet of that is I look forward to seeing more of that story in the next one of which I can't think of the little girl's name. I know.

But all these names are not. Yeah. They're not. Keary. Keary. Yeah. And Sigourney Weaver did a great job and they probably did some stuff. It was fantastic.

They probably did some stuff with her voice and whatever. Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. but playing a young kid I thought Suguni we were Yeah fantastic brilliantly and I love what they did there And I love how they mentioned like how

The five fingers because of the kind of half Half human half Yeah And that was great on how they played that And I think that with Kiri And the way that she's connected And I loved how they set up that thing Of well we don't know who the father is yet

Yeah But that's why we want you to watch the next couple movies Yeah And I think that's what this movie did brilliantly Where were you on the first one? You love the first one? I think, I remember loving the first one. I will say to Brett's point about like going back to rewatch,

you don't, they actually sort of guide you and like, there was probably a moment where if I stopped this movie, I would have been like, I can't quite explain things. But I don't feel like if you're somebody who's like, I remember watching the first, I remember loving the first, do I have to rewatch the first to understand this movie? The answer is no, I think. No, you could figure it out.

Yeah, I did not rewatch it. And ultimately, more and more things make sense. They show enough stuff, you know. I rewatched it and I watched it in very, if you watched it for the first time about a month, two months ago. Oh, yeah. So it was pretty fresh from my brain. Yeah.

But I just remember feeling like, oh, this is, we've turned a corner in cinema. Like with that movie. Oh, easily. Like, whoa. Well, but the reason I asked that, too, is what I've noticed is I think all three of us here were pretty much, we're fans of the first one and enjoy the theatrical experience of it. There are a lot of people who didn't like the first one. And then after the movie became really popular. And then there were some people who saw the movie, I think, in wherever it was, maybe it was on, on, on, on, on, on,

streaming or wherever they they don't get the same kind of I don't know theatrical experience and experience that a lot of other people did so I'm seeing a lot of people who didn't like the first one who saw a screening of it love this one and I think what it did I think of like Winston and like Roka right both of those guys did or just didn't care for the first one that much they both want to go back to Pandora like tomorrow yeah both and not only want to rewatch this one again they want to where does the story go and that's what James Cameron has done masterfully he's created a, he's, he's talked about making a franchise out of this thing. And people like, I don't know if anyone who's going to care about Avatar.

I think everyone's going to care about it after this movie. Yeah. And please just do it faster this time. Yeah, do it. If you could, yeah, right. If you could just get that technology. It'll be 106 years old by the time. Yeah.

I mean. I think now that they have the technology kind of settled, I think we're going to start kind of kicking in the full gear of the third one. But, you know, we can go into some specific moments. Brett, what was it with you that really, that stood out. some of the main moments in the film. Well, the ability, and I think I was talking to you about this, of, you know, the story making you want to these humans to die.

Right, yeah. Like, you're rooting. Yeah, I shot him in the head. And you're like, whoa, how do I feel about that? But the way they villainize them so much because of the killing of the whale, if they're called whales, that stuff killed me. Took-took. Oh, that whole scene.

I was just like gritting my teeth the whole time. You sons of a bitch. And they set that up again so well in like knowing because it's, it was what Cameron does so masterfully in this movie was as I mentioned before with these little pieces of dialogue that are sprinkled out with these amazing visuals that just gives so much more substance to the stuff. Like knowing how they mention like the idea of how smart these things, these creatures are and how much they're smart and so much more smarter because of their brain

and the idea of why they're hunting them because of what it does. and Howard powers up and E. Falco's line in the beginning of what we used to do, we used to take us years we're doing in like whatever it was, months or days, whatever it was. That little line of dialogue, when he then explains what that canister is, is like, oh, and then to Brett's point about how you want to just kill these guys when they go, well, what do you do with the rest of the body? And whatever, who cares, we don't need it. That's it.

And the other thing that I will say, which I understand, even though I love the first movie, I understood a lot of the criticism, like my brother, by the way, when he saw it, he was like, yeah, like, they're just really preachy, the first movie. I thought this movie clearly had the message, but I don't feel like it was overly preachy. This one felt more family-centered. I think like, I feel like the first destruction we see

is actually when the sky people are landing, and their rocket thing just like burns the forest. But like, that does not become too belabored. It's just like an image we see. They're now everybody's fleeing. Jake Sully and his wife were on a date night at the time, you know. Yeah. But I feel like this one, the heart of the story,

and I do feel like what you were saying is like there's like the kids. I do feel like there's an A story and a B story. And the A story is the kids and the B story is what's happening with the adults. That's kind of cool because like you see that on TV shows, but you don't necessarily see that with, you're sort of with the lead person all the time in a movie. It's balsy. Yeah.

Because those are your leads and that's who you created the relationship with in the first movie. And now you're taking a risk and hoping that the Sun story, It's just confidence in your writing. It's confidence in the story. And I think that this story had a pretty strong core. And as you said, it is absolutely a family story. And I think that's why, to me, it hit so much because there was that stuff of having this relationship.

And I love the way the kids, like they called him, sir. And they were trying to be like him. And they're trying to begin that opening scene. You got so much from it from the two kids who were trying to impress. And again, all right, well, that's the young kid who wants to do everything. And the older kid's like, nobody takes to blame for it. and he still gets a little bit of the, well, you're supposed to be watching,

you're the oldest, and then you have the youngest kid, which I have to say, one of my favorite moments in it is the youngest kid, I can't remember her name, who kept reminding me of my youngest. She reminded me of your youngest, too. Right?

Yeah, it was took. Took, yeah. Tool of the took. Can we say it at the same time? Is it a line that she says? Yes. One, two, three. I can't believe I'm tied up again.

Yeah, it's like, when that happened, I said, I can't believe our. I'm tied up again. Because that's what we're all thinking. Yeah. 100%. You're all thinking in that moment, you're going,

how many times are they going to catch this kid? And she says it and you're like, that's great. That's exactly what a kid would say also. But it's also a great sign of writing when you're going, okay, well, she got caught again. We've got to bring attention to him. We've got to bring attention to it. And she's the one that says it. She's the one that's going to say it.

And it's going to get a laugh in the theater. It probably got massive laughs in the theater because it just, it was like, it's just one of those moments where you go, okay. Yeah. but good. Yes. But good. And it's like, because it's exactly what you're thinking.

And like all those moments in the fact that the younger and that whole sequence, right, where they're trying so hard. And it's, you feel bad. And let's, let's talk about the youngest son. And. Oh, yeah. Youngest son is, uh, it's not Norm. No. It's Norm.

It's Norm. It's Norm. It's a Navi name. It's Cliff. It's Norm. It's Diane. No. Is it Loak?

Was it Loak? Was Spi. is Jack Champion. Flip Gail is Anon. Mateo was the oldest. Mateo was the oldest. Mateo, right?

Mateo or something? Shoot, we gotta get these names down. I know. Germain Clement was really was really good and he hit his accent wonderfully. I did not realize that was him. Yeah. I was like, who was Jimane Clement? He was the scientist.

So, flip, was it? He did a great job with that. Neatam? Is he him? Neatam? I don't know. Shoot. Tonwari. man, I'm bummed here because I don't know. I'll just say that, well, we'll say that the oldest son.

I knew. Maybe it was to. Well, the oldest son is, you know, set up as the warrior, as the great warrior, as the one that that, um, we can take it as a pause. Yeah. Can you take it? What's wrong? Lonnie's freaking out because. Well, Brett has to figure that out.

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And we're going to talk about the oldest son. Yes. Or the youngest son. Let's just talk about both sons. We might have already talked about them, but let's read hash. I thought that the kids were phenomenal in this. Yes. And as I mentioned, I was worried that they were going to do this thing where they essentially

did what I was worried about, which was. was let's push back. Sully, let's push back. Tiri, right? And let's just focus on the kids. But these are the people we got attached to. And they did that, and I was cool with it. But the kids were really what sold it.

Because the younger kid, as I was watching him, I'm going, all right, is he going to annoy me? Because I've seen this cat. I mean, this is what I was talking about repeating bits. We've seen this type of story before. The young kid who wants to impress the dabble, but won't listen to the rules. and then there's the older son who does listen to the rules,

and, you know, he ultimately winds up getting hurt or something, too, and it's the younger son that winds up forming the bond with the father because he did what was right. I've seen it a billion times. Yes. But it's execution. Yeah. And how do you execute it?

And are you emotionally attached to those people? And the answer to me was a resounding yes. Yes. Resounding yes for me as well. Yes. And also, you've never seen blue people do that before. That's right. That's key.

But did that get you, though, seriously, though? No, it definitely, yeah. Execution was great, and it wasn't like I was sitting there thinking, like, oh, I've seen this before, like you said. Because, I mean, yeah, it's like I'm joking about the blue thing, but I mean, this is a different world. And it's kind of shows that, like, yeah, even, you know, the Navi could struggle with this thing. It humanizes them in a way. And, yeah, I think it was very touching. And it comes to a very, very touching end.

Well, and I did not see the, so there's, before we were introduced to the, I already forget the two, The big, the big whale. The big whale. The big whale. He'll get it. He'll get it. He'll go big whale. That he sort of became, he was our introduction to those whales.

Yes, he was. And like the two outcasts. The two outcasts find each other. And I feel like, yes, sure, that could be a trope that's overused. But it did not feel like that in that way. And I thought like, oh, this is so cool. Like, it almost feels a little bit like Mirabelle, like finding her powers in Enkonto. It's like he's found like his thing.

He's found the thing. that he's good at and it's a little free willy-ish in that way. Yeah. Like, right? Like, what's what I mean? There's been a ton of those things. And that's what I mentioned even in my non-spoiler review, that even for the critics,

the first one who said it felt like Fereng Gully or dances with walls or all that stuff. Yeah, sure, I get it. But I mean, Star Wars has those types of feel like movies that have been plucked from the past. There's tons of movies that have feel like movies that have been plucked from the past. It's a matter of how do you feel that they did it originally. And if you had an issue with how they did it originally in the first one, then that's, that's your, prerogative, right?

But in this one, as Brett said, I didn't really notice it. If you start to analyze it, I've seen that before in this movie, in that movie, but I didn't care because I was so locked in. And it also was because you're so locked into Pandora. Yes.

Being in Pandora and being like, I did not care that I was, like you could have made that movie four hours, and I would have sat there and watched every second of it because I just am so just locked into that world. And the emotion that they put together. And you look, look,

the emotional, moments is what we could talk about for sure here. And I think some of the key emotional moments for me, I think the obvious one is the one that we touched on that we can just kind of, again, go into depth. And that's the loss of the older son. Yeah. Because of what he does and he goes through and he's, and he's able to save them. And he's able to save them and he gets them and he gets them off.

And then they get caught again, which is the laugh, what we just talked about with what took going on. I can't believe him tied up again. But he got, he got, he thought he got him all out. He's like, well, we got to go back and we got to get, we got to get, what's his face? Spider. Yeah. He's like, all right.

Yeah, we got to go. fine and the second that happens you should have kind of put it together like somebody ain't making it out of this yeah um because they have to go back again because he had rescued them he said i did it and i got you again and so they go back and when he get and and even and a first when he got shot do you do you because yeah you didn't really know until he was in the water and you saw the blood i'm kind of like that yeah because i like the idea of because a lot of times you'll see and and which is not a wrong choice a lot of times you'll see it and you'll see He's like, oh, you're, uh-oh, that's bad.

But it's so subtle, he's just like, I got, I got hit. And when he gets hit, you're going, uh-oh. This could be, this could be an issue. Okay, you were going to say something? No, I was just going to say, I think that the, um, I think I did notice it happen. Like, he's sort of like, the way he hits the water, but then they have to go under the boat to, like, get out. And obviously then, like, when they get to the island. But the thing that was so emotional for me was actually not, like,

There was two things, and you and I talked about this privately, but the scream, the mom lets out. Oh, yeah. When she's with him. Oh, yeah. And it's this gutter-roll. I mean, it's the only thing I can, it's like I eat. Zoe's so done, it's fantastic in that scene.

And that, like, that's the sound of mother makes when she's in labor or when her kid dies. Like those, there's like the two ways you can access that sound, I feel like. I hope, well, so for Golden Globes, by the way, one of the reasons why I'm glad we tape this, we have a second taping here. It was nominated for Best Picture in Golden Globes. It should be. I hope that carries over to the Oscar, but I hope,

and there wasn't any recognition for performance because I still don't think the Oscars and Golden Globes recognize performance capture as much as they should yet. But, like, Zoe Zaldana, I've always liked. I always thought she was really good. I love Karen Gardians, like on a lot of stuff, but she was so good in that scene. And so, I mean, as parents in general,

all of us were rocked by that scene, right? But there's something about what Kate just said, the way that she, it didn't feel forced. It felt like, oh, that's someone in pain. And then how she brings that to the fight.

Oh, yeah. She was going to kill Spider, by the way. She absolutely, I have no doubts. That was not a bluff. She was going to kill him.

That's, I mean, it's crazy that the way her eyes, and I know that maybe they could have, CGI, could have, whatever, but like,

the way that her eyes look when she gets back onto that ship. Well, that's why I push back on anime, that's an animated film. It's not. It's not. It's a performance.

So, How could it be animated? Spiders, like, you know, walking around. Right. But, yeah, I mean, it's, she's, you can just, I mean, she's going to, she's going to, yeah. And it's like, again, only the kind of, only the kind of pissed that a mom could be. She's fueled on anger. Yeah.

That's all that's keeping her up is anger and hatred. Yeah. Is motion capture, does that not capture facial expressions? Does that not care? So it's different. Motion capture and performance capture are very different in the same way that people don't realize that like deep fake and de-aging are. different technologies, right?

People always say motion capture, and even directors sometimes don't even realize it. Oh, it's motion capture. It's like Andy Circus was the one going, no, performance captures. Because motion capture is essentially taking the design, making it, creating the face and where the performance capture is taking the actual performance of the eyes and the faces.

That's why Sigourney Weaver, the girl, the daughter looks exactly like Corny Weaver. This is performance capture. Yeah, yeah. You look at the way that, even the way that they shot it from behind the scenes footed from the first one. And there's a, there's a great video of Zoe Saldana.

She's, like, drinking, like, an animated Pandora leaf, right? But then they're dropping, like, actual, from a water bottle, the actual water is hitting her face. So she's reacting to it, and it's, like, the way that they do it is great. But, you know, in this movie, they actually had them underwater. Like, legit, had them underwater. Like, had to hold their breath. Like, Kate Winslet was this video of her, like, holding her breath.

Oh, my God. And, like, and you look at the two movies that really embraced that and did that this year. And I think they're the two best movies of the year. this movie and Top Gun Maverick putting these people up into jets, like for real. This is, it's, there's a reason why you get the types of performances that you do. But there's, it's just, there's a lot of subtle things in this movie, and there's a lot of things that just worked because of the relationship. And the, the, the character, is not Kitty, or what's, who's the, uh, Sigourney Weaver's

character? Yes. Yes. Keri. Keri, thank you. But she, so she play, and I thought that that, Sigourney Weaver, with what she did in that role and believable that she was a kid i thought was fantastic also i just have maybe missed the memo and i apologize if i said it in our first uh pass at this so gornie weaver's a dime

my god she looks good she looks so good i'm like that is a hot piece and she's just tough as hell too i mean she's she's an an icon she doesn't look like she's like played with her face too much either No, at all. She was just, I'm like, oh. So what I said. Kate, you know how much I love me some Julia Roberts? Yes. Like I was watching her and then watching Sigourney Weaver, and I had mentioned this too.

It's just like, these are just women, granted, they have money. Yeah. But these are just women who just have just aged naturally. Yes. Done their thing. Yes. Look beautiful. Yes.

And like just, and besides it, just are just, Sigourney Weaver is just a tough SOB. Yeah. And she's so good in this role because she's got to play both roles. And there's that role. Where both Kyrie and meets her mom, and she's essentially acting with herself. Yeah, and she's like the fact that Kyrie is connected to it, and as we mentioned previous, we don't know who the father is.

I love that idea. We'll probably find that out a lot later in other movies. And then there's more news that came out that Avatar 5, we're in 2, by the way, Avatar 5 is going back to Earth. Right? And they're going to go to Earth and they're going to do some stuff at Earth. But it's like leading up to it, and this is what I said. I think that you leave this going, because I think all three of us were fans of the

the first one. Yes. So what I think this movie... Which I didn't realize was a kind of a minority in that, like, I don't know about minority. Or I mean, I didn't realize how many people didn't like it. Yeah. But I also feel a lot of those people were people that saw it not in the theater when it came out later. And it's kind of the way that I think that people, when they see the first Matrix, like, I've introduced Matrix to the kids. And they liked it, you know, but not in the way that I was like, oh, man, because they've seen that kind of emotion thing before. They don't appreciate how ahead of a time it was, how different it was, that story and the way that they combine things. Yeah, absolutely. But I think an Avatar is one of those, whoops, excuse me, don't do that again.

What I think Avatar does very well is it is, there are certain movies that are theatrical experiences and but you could also enjoy them outside of it. Sure. Like Dune for me, right? Yeah. I think Dune should have been in a theatrical experience for me. I wasn't ready to go theater back then, so I didn't see it. I probably would have liked to see it. Yeah.

I really appreciated it when I watched it, how I watched it. What I've enjoyed it more in the theater? Maybe, but I still loved it, so I don't know. Yeah. What I've enjoyed it more in the theater, I think needs to be seen in the theater. because I don't think it has the same impact. And as well, that says something about the story, that I legit feel like I'm, sitting on another planet.

Yes. Like, and it's coming out, it's not, and the 3D's not gimmicky. Nope. No. It's like,

and the frame rate, as I mentioned, the frame rate was something I was really nervous about because the frame rate for, um, for Hobbit bothered me. And the frame rate,

when I saw these scenes at D23, I was like, I don't know if I'm going to be able to handle a whole movie. It didn't bother me at all because it became part of the experience. Yeah. You believe that like this technology exists. That's, that's where I slipped into them.

Like, yeah, you know, this is pretty cool. technology we have these days. Become an avatar and all your memories get me put inside of somebody. Right. No, you're right.

It's like, it's, oh, yeah, no, I remember when they created that. They never created it. There's robots running around. You're like, oh, yeah, I remember that. Edie Falco is in this movie for like 63 seconds. Yes. It's a great 63 seconds. It's a great 63 seconds.

She shows up in the very beginning and then she shows up when they're torturing Spider. Yeah. What do we feel about, how do we feel about Spider? By the way, I don't know. Again, I don't know if we brought this up or not. I like Eminem. Is that Eminem?

So it's funny, like, it was funny because sometimes, sometimes I loved him. Sometimes he bothered me. Yeah. But I don't know if it was the character. I don't think it was the character. Like something, sometimes he bugged me. But then I, because I found myself going, why are these guys saying, bro doing this to him? I'm like, but they're not.

They're talking in their language. I'm just hearing that the same way Sully hears it. And I go, okay, it was such a brilliant move by that. I love that. Do you know what's funny? I think part of the reason why Spider maybe was like, I'm sort of like, because he wasn't a nov. I don't know.

there was some part of me that was like, that's the outsider. Which like, but wait, that's the me. And it's funny. I don't know. Like today while I was driving here, I saw the avatar billboard, and I was like suddenly so jealous that there were people that were still going to get to see it for the first time. And like, those diving creatures, like I felt the motion. Yeah, of course.

Like I dove with them. I had to hold my breath with them. But Spider, back to Spider, I just sort of feel like he feels like such an imposter. Yeah. Don't you think? Oh, I feel like when I see Spider, I feel like every time Kate slams into the table. It's the mic's spoon.

It's good. Call attention to it. We're back into the theater. But Spider is, Spider is, he is, no, he, he, I think he's crucial, obviously, too, because this is why I kind of have to ask you guys. And I don't know if Kate, you probably remember more than I do if we talked about it, but like when he saves his dad. Oh.

It's not even his dad. And I love that. I love that they both. We talk about that part. We talk about the dad. Yeah. I love that they both acknowledge that. Yes.

We understand. Yes. I understand that that's not my son. It doesn't take away from the fact that I had the memories of this kid and that I attached to him. And that I really, and it shows, it brings a more human side to Stephen Lang's character. Yeah. It brings a more human side to go, okay, this cold, callous killer actually cares about

something. Same way like Thanos did when he, when he, with, well, I want to ruin her for Kay. I just found out today she hasn't seen it. But, like, Thanos's relationship with Gamora. Like, you understand it more. You understand, like, that this guy actually. cares about something. And that's why, and, and Zoe Saldana knows that.

Yeah. Terry knows that. She's like, okay, and that's why she's willing. She plays, it's not a bluff. She's willing to go there. And Spider saves him at the end. And you're like, for the story, and you're following the story. And you're going, no, what are you doing?

Let him, Jake took him out finally. But then you go, I kind of get it. He saved you. You're saving his life back. You don't have a father figure. You don't have a father figure. You know it's not really your dad. but you've never had that before.

And I also love, because I thought they were going that Annik and Skywalker route with him, where he's going to, they capture. I thought, yes. They capture Spider. He's going to turn on his friends because he's going to see the human way. He's really human, and all the humans are bad. So he's going to be bad too. And they didn't go that route.

And I love that because he said, because even when he's doing the translation to the other people, and he does not want to be doing that. He feels, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He feels miserable about it. This is the stuff that I loved about Spider. and then he's pissed off. And then the end scene when he's like, come with me.

And he just looks at him and goes, he hisses at him and jumps back in the water. I was like, that's perfect. It doesn't mean that he's not going to go down that route down the line. But he didn't do it in this movie and it wasn't telegraphed. I'm going to disagree that I didn't quite. I kind of felt like this is just so we can bring him back. You think he's going to be bad in the next one?

No, like I think that him saving him is just so we can bring back that character again. Probably partial. I don't disagree with that. But I didn't. I don't know. I could have done with that. Let's say I could have done without that part. And it gone to a different story or something and not have him involved. But you don't think that that ties into the whole fact that he has been left behind. He's had no, he was left behind because he couldn't, he even says you can't put babies in cry off and dumb ass, right? And he's like, so he's, and he's forming a relationship with his dad. He's forming this thing. He knows his dad actually care for him. He knows that his dad saved him for a reason, even though it's not technically his father, but he knows. And so he sees him down there dead. And he just. was saved. If someone just saved your life. I got it.

If someone just saved your life, and even though you knew it was the, you know, that it was going to cause problems. It makes, it makes sense in that regard, but also like, it's the betrayal kind of in a way

to the people that have brought him in. That's why he was so pained by it. And I guess maybe that's why what makes it good is that it's just, it irked me, but also I got it. Well, that's what I'm saying.

Yeah. Well, one of those people also had a knife to his chest and was legit going to kill him and then sliced him. So also, I don't know. I feel like my loyalty would feel like if the, like, and she never liked him part of that family. That's right.

The mom never wanted her kids to play with him. I know she said at the beginning. Yeah, wasn't she, I think because she knew because of where he came from, because that whole scene, by the way, when they go back to the original scene where it all went down. Oh, yeah. That was awesome.

Like, and he's sitting there looking at his own body. Yes. And the fact that he, when the guy's having the conversation, when Stephen Lang, as a human form is having the conversation with them, I was like, have you getting this? It means because I didn't make it out. And bringing those guys back in the way that they did, what could have been lazy, I thought was creative. And you had to keep him alive.

You had to keep them alive because he can't keep killing them off and then bringing them back. And then it gets lazy. But it's like how they're going to survive or who's going to be the bad guy. I liked how they brought Giovanni Ribisi back in that one little scene that he had. So, yeah, man, I think that they have an opportunity. Where do they go next with it, though? Because they went to the water. Yeah.

They go in the air, like in the higher tree. Or, I mean, they're already in the trees for fallouts. That doesn't make sense. Well, and also, I mean, it just seems like they are, they have been welcomed into the water community now. So, like, maybe the next, I don't know. Stay there. It's a great. Yeah, they're part of the community.

Like, they maybe don't have to keep running. The real question is, like, who's going to be the antagonist the next time around? Well, it's probably him. It is quidditch, pitch. What's his name? Quiddish. Quiddish. Quaritch.

Quarich. But it will be, it will be quarch, though. I think that, you know, he's going to probably build up another round of, I don't know, I don't know how many of his people survive but near do wells i think it did they're near do well jeremy clemen as you mentioned was great you didn't realize it was him oh yeah but the other guy that was i thought was going to turn into a really cartoony douche was the one hunting the whales you know the way i hated him so much but he wasn't but he was just like he was the guy you wanted to roopps right off waiting for him did something

brutal to happen to him and and he did the actor did a great job in that because as we mentioned as i remember we mentioned um how it's just such a disgusting thing that they kill these really intelligent creatures for that much of the thing that could power up in entire. I mean, it's, that's the type of message that that is reality based that wasn't beating you over the head that makes you go, well, that definitely happens. That definitely happens here. Yep. Like that type of thing. And it's like, whether it's elephants with the tusks and things of, you know, oil and this, you know, all this type of stuff, seals and things that happened.

It's just like little things, and that's just the animal based of it. The other way it just, it was, it was done, it was done very well, I thought, the way of the woke is what they should have called.

Come on. I'm sure somebody already has. Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure. But I will say that guy was actually nuanced, too, because if you know anybody who's a hunter,

and obviously hunters use the entire animal, but there was like, that guy thought the animals were beautiful, isn't it amazing? And how she's going to pull this. Like, there's like a reverendant. they have for the thing that they're killing.

Right. And I felt like, I don't know. Like, not that that made that guy good, but that felt like a real person who's like, like, you know, we use these whales for blubber. And like, aren't they magnificent? Right. All right.

Got it. Yeah. Yeah. And that's also, again, when Quaric was like, he's like, it's going to piss everybody off. He was like, I don't know. Yeah. And it's like, like, drawing them out and doing that.

And even the idea of the, and I love the loyalty of all the water people where they're torturing them. burning their villages, everything, and they're not saying. They're not saying shit. I would absolutely fold. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You're like, Jake Sully, he's with the lady that's pregnant.

It was right. Nothing. They didn't do anything. And even like that scene again, going back when Spider was like, I'm sorry. And then the woman looks over, she's like, tell them stop. Yeah. And just like, like, that was like heartbreaking. Yeah.

But the two, and again, I'm mentioning the two that really got me was the whale and the baby holding off to the side. Because, you know, and again, because of the. because of the establishment of the relationship between Kate Winslet and that whale. That's why you cared even more so because there's that conversation where she's like, how's your son? How's your baby? How's your baby?

And they're having conversations and it didn't feel stupid. No. Okay. This is great. This is great. You understood why. And then she told because, and that's a scene as well too. Kate, because, and I love that they did this, where they show up to the water for the first time.

and you have Jake and Tyrion they all show up and the chieftain comes in and he's like okay I got I got respect for you I know what you've done before everyone knows the legend of Jake Sully we're cool you can come in and then mom goes hold on yeah and she's just like you're doing this you're doing that actually this one's I had like not even a full breed whatever and then Tiri gets pissed off and it's like but I loved Kate Winson's character yeah because she wasn't an a-hole from the start she was hesitant. Yeah.

But that's how Tiri is too. Absolutely. Tiri's like, I don't want my kids playing with, oh, Nateri, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want my kids playing with the spider kid. Right. That's the same thing. This mom's like, no, no, no, thank you.

Absolutely. We're good. Yeah. And then, but then she's the one that, at the end, she's accepting to, and she's running around killing people with a baby in her. I know. Which is incredible. I was like her naps during pregnancy look a lot different than mine.

The Tiri's go-to move is the arrow-righted. through the chest through the glass. She does that. It's every time, it never gets old. She can do it a thousand times in a movie. It never gets old. Right through the glass. And it's amazing that a film can make you go,

yes, when it's a human. They've made them so evil. Well, but that, and that's why I like what they did with Spider. They kept the nerdy, geeky guy alive because it's funny. Smets had talked to me the other day, and he's like, hey, I'm going to see, I'm a retard. Just tell me this.

I'm guessing that all of the humans, the good humans, die in the very beginning. Right or wrong? Wrong. They don't kill that guy. It's that guy, though, when they call him in to help when Keri gets hurt. Yes, when she is the seizure. She's a stroke.

Yeah, yeah. The seizure. And it's that alarming them to saying, oh, we've been tracking them. They come in and that's where they are. By the way, I thought we were going to, you know, Chekhov's gun. If you see a gun in the first act, it's going to go off in the third. I thought that her, I thought Kerry's stroke. was going to come back.

Like I thought she was going to be the one we ended up losing or something. It doesn't quite circle back, not in a bad way, but like, and I knew that part of what it was indicating to, is that like she shouldn't connect to. And she showed that she could. And then she showed that she could because then at the end she, she ends up, that's sort of like how she ends up saving. Yeah. Well, that's what I, well, because it's almost like she, she like, Neo's it.

She because it's like very similar to Neo. She just wasn't ready yet. Yeah. That's what I took more so of her actually having a seizure. I don't think it was. I just think that the power was overwhelming and she's a little girl and she didn't understand it yet. And I think that she discovered it. When it was like the moment that she needed it.

Yeah. She was almost like a deity at one point when she comes back in and she's talking. And when she's talking, she's in that Titanic scene. You know, when the water's coming down, there's a lot of nods to Titanic in this, which I really like. But then they. The Kate Winslet. Yeah. She was in the movie.

She was, yes. That's right. You know, the character's name was actually Rose? Rose. And I saw a rose in Pandora. I saw a rose. There was a rose. I saw a rose.

It was a red. Yes, there was a ship. Had to give her a little time. She's connected to everything. You just get like one thing. All the other ones, they get one. She's got every. Well, the biggest Easter egg that no one picked up was there's water.

There's water. It's a very similar to Titanic. And it's not the way of the water. It's just of water. Yes. The way of water. The way of water. The way of water.

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Before we wrap up, overall thoughts, though, Kate, on this film, what you really enjoyed about it, and where it stands on your list this year and in general? Number one. It's my favorite movie of the year. Number one.

I did. And I loved Top Gun Maverick. And I actually believe that somebody actually pulled that maneuver. I'm like, I think they actually did that. I think they pulled that maneuver. But no, I, for me, the immersive, I can't think of another film that I felt like I was part of, that I had nothing to do with the way that this was just, it. feels, I don't know, just the way in which we exist in the world.

As I said, like, somehow I, like, felt the motion of diving in and out of the water, holding the breath, like, made me panicky. It was just, I just feel like it was stunning. It was new. And that new does not mean good. Like, new technology does not always mean, but this, for whatever reason, this for me was it. And as a mom, this movie just hit all of those spots. You know, the end of Philadelphia,

You used from the end of Philadelphia. They're showing, so Tom Hanks' character has just passed. He's won the thing. He's just passed. And then they have all of these home videos playing with him. The end of this movie did the same thing to me that the end of Philadelphia did. When they're showing the little boy, they go back to the tree. The pants go back to the tree and then they see the kid.

Yeah. I love, but I love that moment. I absolutely do. And I'm done now. Now I'm a mess at that point. You know what I liked about it too? It wasn't just a dream. He actually, like, that's what shows you about that planet is that he actually was there to see his essence,

to see him, to be there with him to understand that he sees the younger version of him. He sees the older version of him. That was brutal as far as emotionally brutal, but beautiful. And Natiri doesn't have her own moment with the sun. She just witnesses Jakes, which I thought was so incredible too. Because we know as parents, like we each of us relate to each of our kids in a different way than our spouse stuff and like the most important person to reconnect with him in that beyond world or whatever was the dad i don't know i just thought it was so beautiful it like it pulled all of the

heartstrings for me brett so you got a chance to you because you've been wanted this is the one movie like because brett was like i get if we get a screening please please please please and he really he really wanted to see this he had an opportunity to see it overall thoughts on the film what you loved what you really really uh what are you didn't like what you're expecting to see in the next one. What stood out the most, what you took away from it? I can't say like, oh, I've seen tons of films these years. So I'm going to come, I'm going to go with the fact that, yes, I've been waiting since I saw this in the theater with my wife to see this. And yeah, I know that we don't have to like root hard for James Cameron. He's not some of the car.

Like, you know, it's not like, oh man, I hope James Cameron's movie doesn't fail because, you know. He's a wizard. But I mean, it, it was, it was very satisfying for me, to wait that long. And I had a chewy we were home moment when I got in there. And I felt, I'm like, oh, yes, we did it. We're back. Let's do this avatar thing. And I had a great time, especially being in the theater with Kate.

Yeah, and the emotional impact of that last thing I was with Kate on that is that was the most, that was an about time moment for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just like, especially with my stuff with my son and stuff, I was just like, oh, oh, God. And I held it back because I'm a man around Kate. I couldn't be. Listen, I wasn't. I was at one point when I was, it was,

I was, I was, I was by myself. And, and like, and I felt like, you know, the whale, the whale scene with the little baby, that got, that got a tear. That got the Denzel tear. And then, but then. The Denzel tear in glory. When the, when, yeah, well, in every movie.

In every movie. It's just the one tier that comes down. He's the king of it. But, but then there was the, and then obviously when the older son dies, I'm, I was sitting there going, getting my knee like this. And then that scene at the end, I got pretty emotional too.

So I thought that they did a great job. But sorry, Brett, go ahead. Oh, well, and what I want to see is, I mean, I want to see different tribes and things. I want to see, I mean, we got water, we got a tree, yeah. We got desert people or something. I mean, like, and I'm assuming that the fifth one, if that's the last one, is a culmination of all of them coming together in this kind of like, you know, world war against.

the bad human. Well, they said, though, that was the quote that I really liked, was that they're going to show the, the sides of the human on, humans on earth that are good and that are not, are not part of this crew that's trying to be the colonizers. The dirty hippies. The dirty hippies. Right, right, right.

So, look, for me, as we mentioned, I think that it's just a beautiful spectacle. I mean, that's a given. Everybody knew that it was going to look gorgeous. I don't think there was anybody who doubted James Cameron on visually how this thing was going to look. It was a matter of, did you really, think you were going to care for three hours and want to be back to a place that's been

really out of your mind since 2009. The answer to me was a resounding yes. And you just felt it immediately like, oh, I want to be here. And that the score brought you back. And like my favorite piece of Avatar music was they reused it. It was from the late James Horner who sadly passed away. But it's that song when the tragedy song was like, you know, it's like when when someone passes, done and it's like the same thing that

happen when the trees blew up in the first one and they use that again and it's so powerful the way they use it and obviously the main theme and the new music but there was just so much emotion in this there was so much um i mean i think family i think it's such an important that's why i think that it's going to make a lot of money um not only because it's good but because what james cameron did hear that was smart was he made it a family experience he made it somewhere even if somebody saw it with a friend and go i want to i gotta take my kids to see this i'm going to say it right now I'm going to take my oldest to see it over the weekend. Because I know she wants to see it.

And I know she's going to lose her mind when she sees it. So I think this will be repeat viewing. Kate said it earlier too. I want to see it again. I think a lot of people are going to want to see it again. And it's got no competition until February. It's got Ant Man in February. That's it.

Yeah, but even still, it has no, there's no other movie that's like this. I mean, it's like, I mean, there are obviously other movies that are out. But I'm like, there's no other movies that are going to be this immersive. No, there's no other experience. You want to say, I want to go back and I want to experience that again. Because it's not like just going, I think that I've seen people, I think that there's a stubborn thing. I've seen people that we know. They're just like, oh, I refuse to see Avatar too.

It just doesn't interest me. I'm like, I think you're taking away from an experience. I think you're missing out from an experience of just trying. And you could very well come out of that experience going, well, yeah, I took a shot and, you know, thought I'd listen and said, okay, we'll see what everybody was talking about. It still wasn't for me. But I think not trying this movie out, I think it's a mistake. I think it's a big mistake because I just think that there's just no other, as you said, there's no other movie like this, even when Ant Man comes out. Because I am very much looking forward to Ant Man, the second one.

Yeah. I love where they're going to be going now with Marvel. I've had a lot of Marvel in my life since 2009, right? Yeah. I've had a lot of Star Wars in my life. I've had a lot of DC in my life. I like the big different blockbuster. We don't get them anymore because we're overwhelmed by,

there's comic book movies and the other things, which is cool. Bring them all on. Yeah. But let's add in other stuff like this. Let's add like and Dune. Dune's coming back next year too. So that's another like so those types of movies coming back. I think it's a great thing.

John Wick's coming back, right? Was Dune this year? I can't remember. Dune was no. Dune was 20-21. It was 21. Yeah. I was going to say that would be a tough one, a tough call to make between.

I can't wait for Dune. Yeah. But if Dune was this year, would you put Avatar above Dune? Yeah. You would have. It's only, and it's what we just talked about. It's that theatrical experience. I just don't ever feel like that.

I remember feeling that when I saw it in 2009. And I watch it again, and I've seen it a few times on TV or whatever, streaming or Blu-ray, and I've appreciated it, and I've really liked it still. And I think as a movie, like, there's two ways to watch Avatar. You're watching in that theatrical, magical experience, and then you watch it as a movie. And I think it stands alone as a movie. Some people don't, the first one. This one definitely stands alone as I think I have to watch it on streaming.

But I want to go and I want to see this movie. I would see this movie as many times as possible. Like I was the only problem I was supposed to go to the screening last night. But I had to work, saw it already. And I was like, okay, you know what? And I want to take my daughter to see it because I want to see like the magic in her. She's, I don't think she's ever, she's never seen a movie like this in the theater. And I don't want to see much again.

and I do want to see this again. Like I, I think, well, who were talking about with Roxy or something like that? I was like, oh, you said, oh, you'd see it again. You'd see a three-hour movie? Yeah. And I think she would too now. You saw her tweet. I think she would too.

I'd like to, you know, we'll talk to her about it. And we probably already had this discussion if going into the future or the past. Anyway, look, that was our full discussion on it. We're probably going to have more discussions throughout the, throughout other big things shows and whatnot. But it's, this is, this is a, very, very special movie, I think. But I'd love to hear what you guys are going to think.

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