The Kristian Harloff Show - Is Coleman Domingo the new MCU KANG?

Episode Date: January 5, 2024

Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow On today's show we explore the rumor of Coleman Domingo possible taking over the roleof Kang in the MCU. Jonathan Majors played the role and was let go by Marvel. Now the Walking Dead, Color Purple star is said to be taking over. Is it a good choice? Speaking of Marvel, Echo comes out very soon. The critics were sent the screeners and the embargo lifts a day or two before release. Worry some? Staying with Echo, the events of the Netflix series Daredevil is apparently canon and the new teaser with Kingpin's origins seem to lock that down. Steven Yeun excited The Thunderbolts as The Sentry. Originally the report seemed to suggest it was scheduling. A new response by Yeun might hint otherwise? Join Kristian Harloff, Winston A. Marshall and Coy Jandreau on this episode of Big Thing Capes and Cowls! #mcu #marvel #echo #kingpin #jonathanmajors #kang #casting #thunderbolts  SUPPORT THE SHOW HERE: TRADE COFFEE: http://www.drinktrade.com/BIGTHING ROCKETMONEY: http://www.RocketMoney.com/THING OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-... FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls...

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to The Big Thing. It's capes and cowls. A lot of stuff in the news and the world of comic book movies, man, and TV shows. Echoes right around the corner. It's coming out soon. Is it a problem that the embargo is dropping like a day before in social embargo too? It always makes me nervous.

I don't know how my co-hosts feel about it. We might have a new Kang. Rumors are spiking up. But what we don't have is a Stephen Yoon. He's gone. He left. No more Marvel for him. What does that mean? We'll talk about that.

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Caps and Cows. Christian Harlov. Coy, Jondro, Winston, A. Marshall. We're here, guys. Nice to have. Have you all. Happy New Year Ho's. Yeah, for real.

That's what my mom said to me, too. That's how she signs. Have you here host. Say, Mom, are you saying, are you calling me a Ho? She said, no, Santa Claus. Oh, ho-ho-ho. I'm so glad we can pseudo-cust now. We can?

We can? Oh, I didn't know that. S-word. Oh, okay. We were saying like the S-word every now and again, and I just call everybody a ho. Ho. I feel like ho in the first few minutes is fine. Yeah.

Ho-ho. YouTube let us know. That was for Santa. That's all that was. It's a season. It is New Year's, isn't it? I don't know. Who cares?

We got a lot of stuff to talk about, guys. Let's just jump into this rumor, because there was a rumor. Well, first of all, how was your Christmases? You don't do Christmas until next week. I do it next week. I mean, I did a Zoom Christmas. We wait until January because it's hell of cheaper. Like flights and presents and stuff.

We do. Because we're not like Jesus people. Oh, so like all facets of your life, you're always late. Yeah, yeah. 1101 today. 1101. That's fire. Oh, talk, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

Excuse me, 11.02. I will correct myself. I texted at 1101. I was sat in 1102. I was, I'm here at 1102 sat. No,

we do Christmas funeral because my mom runs a movie theater. So Christmas Day is always bummed. And then we save like six and a bunch of place. No. It was not. Well, look what was playing. Like a walk out of the first aquaband. It's one of our stories today too.

There's some records that are being set. I think it's because I saw you guys after Christmas before New Year's. I feel like I've seen you like you're the only people I saw in that in that week. Yeah, that's right. That's true. because we did a show. So you kept saying this. I was like,

I think I've seen you all. But like it was, it was last year. So there was something about it where it feels like that was weeks ago. Time is disorienting right now. But it was literally a week. But because that weird,

once you hit Christmas, I saw a meme that was like from December 1st to December, like 25th. It's like, oh man, holiday season, blah, blah, December 26th through January 1st. Like,

what day is it? And the first being on a Monday was really weird because some people started like emailing me and I was like, it's the first. Do not do this. actually loved it because of YouTube stats yeah okay now I can yeah you got 31 days he just like let's that's true I started filming an editing I'm actually using my channel

for the first time I did like a top list and editing is hard to recommend you yeah it's dude I hate I hate editing so I literally I did a I did a recap I think I told you I was doing a recap of for breakfast AM news so all like these jokes and stuff for stuff I didn't get to do earlier in the year or wrapping up stuff my God, it's so much worse when you have to do so much. Like, it's one thing when it's like a two-minute video. It's another when it's like a solid. Hold on.

Hold me play the violin. Yeah, everybody's like, why do you your own channel? Because this. Because we hate it. Nobody told you to have a shitty computer. It takes five hours to edit everything. I don't have anything. No, it's beautiful.

The editing was never a problem. It was how far as editing. It was going through the OBS. Input. It was kidding things into the computer. Don't have that problem. Set up now. All right.

And you guys under that problem anymore because now you can, watch this without any glitch of LaRusque. It looks great, too. I looked at the footage from last week. It's such a different, like, I didn't realize the actual where it was storing it was causing so much of a difference in video quality. I thought it was in the cameras.

Well, no, no, the settings were, the settings were turned down because of that, right? But what I mean? No, for the computer, the computer just was an older computer just couldn't handle the picture of it. Game Changer. But now it's, this is a much better. We're on Blu-ray now. I know. It would not anymore. Those are gone. The only thing I got to fix is

what? That's a story. Best buy. Best buy. And that's the beginning of the end. Let's stay on target here. Stay on Target. It's going on first. First story. So there's a rumor that was going around over the last week or so, and comic book

movie is covering it. Josh Wilding, rumor has it that euphoria, color of purple star, Coleman Domingo is being lined up to take over the role of Kang in the MCU. Now there's also a 22, excuse me, 2020 interview that is resurfaced in which he has expressed interest in playing a Marvel villain. earlier this week, a rumor found its way online suggesting that Fear the Walking Dead Star Coleman Domingo is the frontrunner to replace Jonathan Majors as Kang the Conqueror. The Loki Star was fired from parole after being found guilty on account of intentional assault

in the third degree and aggravated harassment in the second degree by a New York jury. Now, a resurfaced interview from 2022 has gone viral in which Domingo expressed his desire to play a villain in the MCU. He says, when it comes to Marvel and DC, I'm like, I think I'm ready now. I'm worked out, fit. I think I want to play a villain. I just want to be the villain. I don't want to be the good guy.

I actually want to do some really nasty, dirty work. This must have been before he did color purple. The response to Domingo, potentially playing Kang, has been overwhelmingly positive. If Marvel Studios is truly committed to the villain being this saga's big bad, then it's hard to think of anyone better to pit Earth's mightiest heroes against in Avengers Five and Avengers Secret Wars. Okay. So let's start off with the first part is, Winston, how true do you think this actually is?

That he might be taking over? Yeah. You know, it's interesting because there's been a lot of back and forth because you have seen people really complain about Kang. You know what I mean? And it feels like I don't, I personally do not want to walk away from it because Kang, as I know him throughout all of, you know, publication and whatnot, is actually incredibly fast. fascinating and has some of the most interesting storylines. The only other villain is Doom, but I'm not trying to shoehorn Doom in because this didn't work. I want that to be its own thing.

And if he comes in by way of whatever plan they had, that's fine. If you just need to do cleanup, then do cleanup. And I don't hate this casting if that's the route that you're going. There's a number of actors who I think could do a really great job. and Coleman Domingo I think is great. So I think this is true. I think about it the same way I did about every Mr. Fantastic casting, every Dr. Doom casting, every Wolverine casting.

I, cool. Thanks for the rumor. Don't care until you have some real news. Sure. This one, though, has to move faster, though. Of course. Because if they're going to get back to work. If they're going to do it and they're going to continue it,

they've got to let people know. They got to know because what I think, Coy, I think that, you know, that whole, that variety of article that you love so much. But inside of that article, they did say, that there was this meeting that happened. We all agree that that meeting definitely happened. I mean, Kevin Feigis, as much that meeting has happened. I think inside of that meeting, this conversation was definitely brought up.

And I think that what they also probably said within that was, okay, so let's say we have to let John to the majors go. We keep Kang and we cast Kang because we're going to go down this road with Kang that ultimately gets us to hear. Because even that one rumor that was going on about the screenwriter that said he was, leaving at one point because they were focusing on Kang and then he was going to leave but then that rumor was the bunk that they said they're sticking with Kang and like what are they going to do. And then the director left. I feel like nobody's talking about that.

We talked about all this stuff. All this stuff. But the question is I think that this is where I think you said it too where the smoke there's fire. Yeah, yeah yeah. I think the meeting happened obviously. They do every year they meet and I think they had contingency plans. I don't know how likely

it is they will keep Kang this early like as in the next movie, the next big movie. You know, you've got three movies leading up to Kang Dynasty, if you don't count Deadpool. So you've got a lot of work to do replanting this seed. I could see Kang coming back in Secret Wars. I could see Kang not coming back at all, but I don't know if it's likely to have Avengers 5 be King Dynasty anymore. I don't know if it makes sense to you've, you've kind of wrapped his story up in Loki. If you're going to introduce Kang again, do you introduce him in a post-credit scene in Cap 4? Do you introduce him in something leading up to King Dynasty? You just bring him back. I don't

think you bring him back as a new actor in Kang Dynasty. That seems very short-sighted. So the time for post-credit scene somewhere. But you kind of did that with Brolin. Like he asked, well, he appeared in Garland. He got, well, no, no, no, because remember you had the old dude that originally, who never

ended up playing the part. You had Brolin make a very small appearance in Guardians just to kind of set up Ronan being like, FU, Thanos, I'm doing my thing. But then otherwise, you pretty much did not get Thanos until Infinity. But it was through multiple appearances in small doses.

I'm worried that they won't do any small doses. Then suddenly be like, hey, I'm the new guy. That's my concern. I'm saying you need at least some post-credit scenes, at least some setup leading to. I would assume so. But that had to be now. So this would have to be a decision already made

that we're just pretending to not know. So like Deadpool or something. Deadpool is shooting. That could work. But you could also do a reshoot. Post-credit scene at the premiere. Tomorrow. You also, you know what I also think will probably happen?

And they don't maybe in the same way that you just kind of had Deadpool killed, Deadpool, off-screen, at the end of Deadpool 2. You have a situation where it's like, if you even want to explain away the casting or whatever's happening, since Deadpool is already supposedly

killing the Marvel Universe, be like, oh, I don't think I killed him, but he looks out of weird. Some stupid... But don't even have to necessarily do that because of the multiverse. Of course. You know what I mean? You could just... Because the audience at this point, the audience that really knows, the audience that really knows about everything

going on, they're going to go, oh, okay. In the same way, like, look, there have been casting before that someone couldn't play the role. They played it again and at first you go, that's weird. And then you go, oh, it depends on how low- Like you- As long as they're good. Don Chiedel, guys. Yeah, it's a perfect example. You know, so Don Chiedel is similar

at first you look and you go, oh, okay, Don Chieel's not Terrence Howard, but that's fine. It's Don Chito. And so Domingo Coleman, another reason why I think that it is absolutely going to happen is because Disney is very

predictable and Marvel and Lucas so I'm very predictable and who's hot right now. And there's a lot of buzz around him right now. I have heard this guy's name more than the last two months than I had in the years prior. He's got that one movie. I can't remember the name of it that came out that was getting buzz on on Oscar stuff. And then you have the color purple that he did as well too. He's really good in that.

So he is a big, he's one of those names inside people are going, who's the next guy? I do think he's, I think majors is more associated with Kang than Howard ever was with War Machine or anything, though. I do think there is an element. 100%. And I think there's something they're going to have to fight against is like how specific the different versions of Kang were

to Major's performance. He wasn't just going through the motions. He was doing incredible work in different ways. Yeah. I think that's going to be hard for him. However, Ant Man quantumania. Yeah. Not beloved and didn't,

and did okay. Sure. Iron Man 1 was massive. Sure, sure. That's huge. He's on TV. So it's like, and it's and it was, and I'm talking mainstream.

I'm not talking with through the, through the audience. The mainstream media, even if you saw quantum mania it was in here and then it was right out. Yeah, if they're coming as they sequel to quantum mania because it's just a movie audience, they're in better shape than they are if you actually are invested in character.

That's what it is. What's something do you think? I mean, yeah, I'm on the same page. I guess the only reason why I feel like maybe you explain it one way or the other is it is because, and you again, I guess you could ignore it, them showing the entire council of Kang, like the multiversal Kangs.

And it literally is infinite Jonathan Mesa. or screaming and acting a goddamn fool. It feels like you kind of have to explain it one way or the other. I don't know. I don't think you do. I really don't. I think because you can say there's one, you know, look, it's infinite universes. So all of those Kangs that you saw, there was one of them that didn't look like him.

There's one of them. Sure, but that's the thing. That story is not just we're following this one Kang to conquer. It really is dealing with all of those canes. I know, but dude, it's, it really, the mainstream, again, mainstream audience, they're not going to care. And honestly, we won't either. We'll say one thing.

You'll probably bring up a point. I bet you all the time about Don't you don't know, but I'm saying you'll bring up one point about the, you're like, okay, they didn't really cover that that much. And they didn't really explain it. That was a bummer. But you know what I really did like? That's what's going to happen. What I will say is I appreciate that y'all pointed out to me that there was, I'm here, it's me deal with it. That line of dialogue was great.

I never associated that, ever. Like it didn't, especially, and I think the big difference is when stuff like that happens. a lot of times there's like a kind of a wink nod to the camera or whatever and that didn't really happen. You just said it as he was walking in. But you're not, he's never like directly addressing the audience, which makes sense. It's not the type of format of movie where you break the fourth wall. No. But I say all that to say, like it would have, it's funny.

That might have been one of the few things that could have bumped She-Hulk up a little bit is to have a little tongue-in-cheek about that as much as she breaks the fourth wall being like, you know. Well, they had Norton line in there, which is great. What is she? I forget what she said. When they literally say like, I'm a totally different guy now. And they look at the camera. I'm like, they literally are the most aggressive fourth wall break in that one. Yeah, it was. But I don't know.

It's just one of those things to me. Like, you know what it is? And maybe that's why I got so bent under shape with Territz Howard and Don Chedel. And now I'm going to get bent out of the shape about this if they don't address it. Is that old adage of not all black guys look alike. And so it's this idea of just, we're just going to be like, oh, you're going to send a change. It doesn't matter. But even one of my favorite movies of all time is, uh,

is Major League, the first one. And in the second one, Wesley Snips was a big star. You wasn't going to do the second one. They put Omar Eps in it. They never addressed anything. Yeah. Omar Eps is now William May's Hayes. They should have just made a different player.

They should have a different player altogether. It's such a weird choice to be like, but you guys know you change team, man. Like again, I'm fine. Just give me an in-can and anything just to be like, oh, yeah, that's his cousin. That's Willie May's. That's Billy Hayes. Yeah. It's just not that Billy Hayes.

And that would have been great and another great joke. But instead, it's like, you guys know that's Omar F's, right? I know. But either way, I do think this is going to happen, to be honest. And it goes back into our conversation that we had last week, and that was, you know, the whole thing with Tachala and the recasting and everything. And this is different, completely different. But it also is a matter of they, if they have this story, that is crafted out. And they actually planned out a whole thing where it is going to be detrimental to them if they don't recast.

Well, then you've got to recast. And this isn't going to be one, I think that people, there will be, because the internet pitches about everything. So there will be a portion of the internet They'll be like, I can't believe you recast them, blah, blah, blah, blah, I'm not going to see your movie ever again And they won't see the movie and then other people will and the mainstream audience will either go see it because it's a good trailer or they won't So I don't know I ask you guys, what do you think? Do you think that Domingo Coleman will be cast as Kang? Do you think they should recast? Do you think they shouldn't? What say you? My last point on this is the only thing I was trying to make clear in my argument is that if this is the cast

Then I think it's already done That's my point. If all the rumors are true, then this already happens. It's recast, period, not recasting, if this is true. I agree. And I also think leaks sometimes happen for a reason, and they want to get, like, the public opinion. And the public opinion has been very positive. So I think there's another reason why it's definitely going to go forward.

Okay, let's get to the next one. Thunderbolt's Stephen Ewan reveals why he dropped out of the movie and he still hopes to play a Marvel character. I haven't read this article. And I'm going to guarantee you its schedule. Here it is. Josh Wilding, a little over 24 hours after the news broke that he'd pull out of playing the Century and the Thunderbolts, Stephen Yoon has revealed the reason why and confirms he's still interested in joining the MCU. Earlier this week, a rumor started doing the rounds on X, claiming that Stephen Youen had dropped out of Marvel Studios' upcoming Thunderbolts movie.

A few hours later, trades confirmed the actor's departure, citing scheduling issues as the main reason. Variety has now spoken with the Walking Dead alum, leading to Yunnan. confirming last year's strike played a role in his decision to pass on playing the MCU centric. I think for me, time passing and things shifting kind of pulled me out of it, he said. But Jake Schreier, I know is going to do an incredible job. I want to do a Marvel movie. It took lots of drafts on email to make sure that I conveyed the sincerity of how sorry I was to have to back out. As for which Marvel role he'd like to tackle next, Yun said, I think it's too early to say that. I probably pissed off too many people leaving, so I'm just going to say,

thank you for having me. I have some ideas, but I heard if you put it out there, you'll never get it, so I'll just keep it close to my chest. The whole situation is a little strange, and it does sound like the actor pulled out at the last minute. After all, it wasn't that long ago that Robert Kirkman mentioned conversations with you in which he revealed he'd been in for a costume fitting. Was it really a case of scheduling issues, or did the Beef Star have cold feet about signing several years of his life away to a brand that's been plagued by claims of superhero fatigue? It's also possible he wasn't keen on the latest revisions made to the screenplay. Then again, it may well be that there are other projects which are bigger priority to him.

Production has been delayed on Thunderbolt so many times that even the cast is making fun of the situation now. Yun wanting to move on is not outside the Rumble possibility. All right. So I think I might be wrong. Yeah, it sounds like he, I mean, Italy, maybe he's being diplomatic. I mean, not really. Diplomatic to me would be, you have scheduling issues. I just couldn't do it scheduling it.

He's like, no, just things were, you know, the strike and time had passed. And without saying it, he's like, and I just felt like I don't want to do it anymore. He's like, because you're not going to piss people off. You're not going to piss people. He said, he said, I pissed people off by dropping out so early. But he didn't say, I had another priority. I had another thing. For example, um...

Hold the quote back up again? Am I smoking crack? Did we read the same thing? I think for me, time passing. and things shifting kind of pulled me out of it. Time passing. But I know he's going to do a job. I want to do a Marvel movie.

He took a lot of drafts. And then he said, I think it's too early to say that as far as him returning and what role he wants to do. I probably pissed off too many people by leaving. Wow. So I don't know what would you hear. I'm saying I want to do a Marvel movie is the diplomatic part.

I was speaking to because it doesn't sound like it wants to the movie. He wants to do, I mean, the rest of the quote. Yeah. That was the diplomatic part. That's what I'm saying is a diplomatic. 100%.

But, you know, a real diplomatic. moment would be like, yep, it was scheduling. I had this thing that came up and I the strike pushed everything towards it. That's what, I mean, yes, when I was on the show with Steph the other day, I said that's what it is. There's nothing more than that. It doesn't seem

that way. It seems like he... It seems like he left, which is not what I had assumed either. This quote says more than I expected. Yeah, it seems like maybe he was like, this script stinks. We know they're reshooting most of it. I'm going to be, I mean, when you evolved in it, it does seem like a sinking ship. Like, I don't know, I mean, to say that it's dead as silly.

With Deadpool and everything else, it could be lifted right back up, and he could be like, and Thunderbolts could come out really good. But it seems like he was like, now I want out. I don't want to be involved in it. And that total change, 180 for me from the other day. I said, no, of course it's scheduling, but it doesn't seem like it. It seems like he wanted out of it. I mean, now that I took a second to reread that quote, like, yeah, I'm on the same page with you guys.

And that's, I'll be honest with you when I had heard it originally, because I didn't even think scheduling. I genuinely thought, especially because I had seen the rumors about he had been for the costume fitting and everything that like he got really massively turned off by it and my thought immediately went to look at the disarray that the MCU has been in for the last like year and some change and so and especially for it to really stumble this year because you don't count into this across the spider verse because that's Sony yeah guardians you kind of can't count that because that's that's It's a wrap-up.

So the two things that are currently happening... Guardian hasn't even seemed like it was connected to the MCU at this point. It didn't really. Other than the fact that we're like, we know Gamora died and this is a replacement of Gmora. Other than that, like, I mean, you had quantum media, Loki, and... The Marvels. And so one of those was good. And it was on a different medium.

And what if? And then what if? Which was also good, but really, what if you put in the same category almost as Guardians at this point? now that we've kind of gotten that acknowledgement that, like, yeah, it exists within the same verse, but it's kind of its own thing. We're not going to connect it. They might now, based off of how things ended, but I doubt they will. So that being said, your two connectors, because Loki, even though also connected, is kind of in its own little island somewhere, sort of, until we know what happens with King.

Your two projects are Quantumania and Marvels, and he's in for a movie, not for a show. So you put both of those things in there, and it's kind of like, do I want it? do this? And that's crazy because that's the complete polar opposite of what this was a couple years ago. I also think specifically his casting was received really negatively by a lot of the internet. It's also true. Was it?

Oh, yeah. Because I mean, Century is the Aryan dream. So there's a lot of people that like him for the wrong reason. So I think there's a lot of kickback for a smaller statured Asian guy playing in Adonis. You know, this guy looks like Fabio. I see. So a lot of people are like, why would you cast? And like if you've seen B for anything he's done, he's a super talented actor, but he doesn't

read like a stoic Superman. So I was really curious about the casting because I was like, okay, I don't love the character of Century. I've never been connected to him that much. I was curious because a lot of times the MCU does a really good job of making me see things in the character in a new way that I was like, oh, it seems like a homeowner look. Yeah, but I could connect to the character in a new way and then I can retroactively like the character.

So I was like, oh, Stephen Young's a really talented guy. Maybe they'll show me something in Century. I don't see. but then when the audience went, like, this isn't the century we want, I'm sure Stephen Young went, okay, I'm not, how do I play the character I was going to do,

and get the Scarlet Johansson treatment or the, or like recently Brie Larson is like, do you want me to do this? I imagine he was getting a Brayson treatment. Yeah, right. For being a black storm trooper, which is so silly. Which is a fact that people are bitching it.

Right, right. It's a faceless, just drone. And anyway, pull the image back up of further that you had for the article, and you can see that that is century. That right there, you know what I'm saying? The only reason I would have seen them putting Stephen Yoon in that role is actually not to be Sentry, is to be void. So what Sentry has is a split personality thing going on where all of that goodness that's in him and all of that power,

he literally completely flips into complete evil. Like one of the most evil things you've ever seen in your entire life, it pulls fear to people. Based off of the anger and shit I saw from him in beef, I could buy him as void. Okay. But I can't buy him as Sentry. So that's another thing, too. We talked about this kind of, again, with Steph the other day, with the director Chinoy's comments, about, you know, Star Wars and everything too, and just the kind of debate it sparked online again.

And I think also actors are getting tired of being in the middle of it. Yeah, that's what I think. I think he didn't want to bring a Larson lifestyle. I think they're tired of being in the middle of it. I think that there is the intention of, no one disagrees at this table that, Giving everyone an opportunity and diversity is a good thing. But we've also agreed all three of us here many times in this, that you can't force it because it diminishes it.

If you throw in the fact that he literally was just in the middle of a bunch of internet beef because of beef, I can guarantee. With the writer of beef in this movie, too. I think that he might have with beef. So one of the actors in beef. An actor's one of the showrunners. No, no, no, no, no. So one of the actors, it was a friend of Ali Wong. and Stephen Yun's he did like a podcast years ago and something resurfaced where he said some

pretty like kind of stuff that he had said on a podcast and he was like oh I was joking and blah blah blah and all that and people were like no bro like you're not that's not cool like you can't whatever and and when Stephen Yun and Ali Wong then defended him and being like you know he's not that guy anymore or whatever they they people doubled and tripled down being like you guys are disgusting like how dare you all that kind of stuff right so if you throw that in with so he doesn't want to go down that path again and he's again saw the Breed Larson Boyega treatment. He's like, I don't want any of that. And it's, and it is a lifestyle. Like, you don't commit to, like, two years of filming.

No, you commit to, like, one, you have a 10-year, maybe contract. But you also have cons the rest of your life and expectations of, and I think that, like, cons are a really beautiful thing. I think that a con culture is the opposite of the internet. It's a celebration versus a, yeah, like, but even like regional things and like, little appearances. It's the opposite of the internet. It's people going to celebrate stuff instead of this cesspool, which is dragging everything down. That's the point. But he didn't get to see that. He only saw the internet. But this stuff, when you think about it as like when you're a kid,

Star Wars and superheroes, it's supposed to be fun. It has, and I made this point many, many times over for some reason or another, politics back in like 2016, right, really blended into the movie space. Very much so. And there's as much, you might as well be watching CNN or Fox News when you're talking about some of this stuff sometimes because it feels like that. and there's this kind of rift in between. And if you're an actor, like, why in the world do I want to be involved with this?

Well, here's the money. It's like, yeah, but this guy is in high demand. He's in high demand. So he can say, yeah, you know what, I can take that check for seven years, but I got to deal with the mental stuff of every five seconds saying, I'm not a blonde hair, blue-eyed guys. Or I can take three projects and be done with that money. I'm done with it.

The fact that he already got the smoke when the casting happened, but the minute he announced he was, or the rumor came out that he was out, People were like, who they should have done it anyway, why you need an ancient century. It instantly went to that. So I do not blame him for backing out. I kind of feel for him. And it is a bit of black and white thinking on my part to say,

it's because of the blonde blue-add character and all that stuff, but that does seem to be the loudest contingent of the people mad at it. It's certainly part of the soup. So I'm saying, I'm acknowledging that is probably, it would affect me. If I was an actor cast in a role,

I would go like, well, like you know what I mean? Why did all of a sudden I just hear it to be or not to be? That is the question, whether it is no lure in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows or... Because you just watched What If? Maybe, maybe. But I literally was just thinking about Hamlet, and I guarantee you he was sitting at this house to be like, yo, ma, do I do I do this? And I suffer through the nonsense or do I, which Hamlet at that time was talking about killing himself?

He's like, do I just kill this project? Am I out? And I'm out. Well, think about it. Again, you're Stephen Union. You're on this show, Beef, which is super popular. You're getting offers all of the time. You're going to be in the new Bong Joon-Ho film.

It's called Mickey 17, the Pattinson movie with that one graphic they show all the time. But you're going to be in all this stuff. And you probably have now, when you're hot, you ride it, right? You ride the wave. And he's probably like, look, I could do this, but I got a lot of offers. I could do other stuff right now. Yeah. We have it out because it's been so long.

They keep pushing stuff back. The strike gave us an out. Get me out of this thing. And they're like, you sure? He's like, get me out. I'm really curious what 2025 looks like for this. world because 2024 is this like okay let's take a breath let's look around deadpool's coming out joker two's coming out not nothing that like you know ties too deeply joke i mean deadpool's gonna

tie penguin it doesn't feel like yeah penguin stuff that feels like okay it's different yeah i i'm excited to hell for penguin but i i'm really curious what it looks like when we come back to this inundation you know what i mean because 2025 is stacked with this stuff for everything for everything like what's that going to feel like after a year will dust have settled will we be like i want this i miss it will we'll be like, okay, it's over. So I'm really curious who gets cast, not in the next year, but who gets cast in the next wave after that. Do people want it again?

What if he just shows up in the DCU? Stephen Young? Dude, I'd be, he's talented as hell. I'd be so happy. Literally, like, just, yeah, no, no, no, I'm out, bro. And then all of a sudden, he'd be like, hey, what's good? I'm rob a bitch. But maybe it's a better role for what he wants to do.

Maybe he, that's, that's the whole thing. I think Faggy just, like, throws down a whole truckload of money and then sentry, century, century cap. They're in a, that whole, I think. Can you imagine? I still hold a out. You still got to hit him with that. Like, you need more of the Chris Hemsworth when I first got into the N.C.

You look. Yeah, no, you want that Adonisie dude. But Henry Cavill, like I'm saying, all the people mad about, like, him leaving a Superman role. It's also, I think the thing that's so poignant about, and this is weird, because you know that I am the last person to really push any sort of specific. you need to fit the exact T casting. I am very let the best, whatever. In this case, the only reason why I think it's so interesting, the thing about Sentry,

with him being the picturesque, blonde-haired, blue-eyed, flowing flabial locks, the commentary on his inversion. Turn into the darkest thing that exists in the universe. But that's why I don't think it can be two actors. That's why when you had said Stephen Young, as one half of it, I was worried because I don't know if that would... That's not what I meant. Oh, I thought you were saying like they cast him to play. I meant if you're looking at it and you're going,

I need you to do two things. Yeah. I need you to be able to, like they go and get, they go and get a wide receiver for football. And they go, I need you to be able to actually go on the line and catch balls. Just lost,

yeah, I like that. He's like, I'm going to give you a sports metaphor. I'm like, okay, this is my vague stater. I'm like,

yeah, this is going well for you. Yeah, I totally grasp what you're saying. I agree. All right. You're explaining like tax code to me. Let's,

let's try this again. Let's try this again. Let's do this one more time. You get hired to do a job, and then let me go, Koi, I'm going to need you to be able to move boxes, or do you be able to drive a car? And you go, shit, man, I have a bad back. I can't lift the boxes, but I can drive the car, right? In this case, Stephen You can definitely drive the car, but it can't lift the boxes. So that's all I'm saying is that he expertly would have played void just based off of what I've seen him do in that dark evil sphere.

Yeah. But I don't necessarily see the century side of it. Like it just didn't click for me both in the look and in just. Look, the other side of this whole thing is that I always use the mainstream audience portion of it, right? Until, like you clearly, as we were reading this atop, I don't know the whole century was. I don't give me shit. Who cast the fucking minion in it? I don't care.

But it's like, I don't care. But clearly, there's a large amount that. do, and that can be very loud in your ears when you're someone who just wants to work. Yeah. And it's so I get it. But look, I ask you guys, what do you think about all this? Do you think Stephen Yun left because of what we were talking about here today? Was it something totally different?

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It's coming out soon, I think, next week. We got the screeners for it. And there was, like, the embargo is like, I don't know, it's like, I think like a day or two before it drops, both social media and the review. I think the social media is like the day, is like two days before it drops on Netflix and there's like a day before.

Yeah, the full review, I think is a day before, yeah. That makes me really nervous. Because normally, normally what happens is, look, I love this trailer. I love the trailer. I haven't watched anything else. I know there have been other trailers that have come out. I haven't touched it because I just want to go in and I want to see it. I'm going to watch.

And I am, by the way, going to do the six episodes. So I'm going to do all six. I'm going to do reactions to all of them. And other reviews too. But you guys can watch along with me if you like. I'll have those up as soon as they come out. But when I saw that, because remember, we had a conversation months ago,

I had gotten an email from somebody who goes, this Echo show is probably not going to even air. I remember that. And there were conversations. And then there were reports because I didn't report on it. And then like a month later,

there were like reports on it that actually said the same exact thing as this person said. And then be like, oh, wow, it's really serious trouble. And then the announcement was like, oh, they're going to drop it all in January all in one shot

and you're like, that never happens with Marvel. They don't do the Netflix model. They want to do the water cooler stuff every week, so maybe they'll drop two, but they never drop them all. So you're like, uh-oh, and then the trailer drops. And you're like, whoa, where did that come from?

And that was part of the Marvel's dead, Marvel's back, Marvel's dead, like swing, swing, swing, and Echo was on the Marvel's alive conversation, surprising all of us by how much, like universally I think everybody loved that trailer. This goes back to the like, Okay, the concern is set back in. I'm concerned again because it's like if they have confidence in this show, if it's as good as the trailer looks.

As the trailer looks, why don't you drop it two weeks before and get the buzz going on a show that because before the trailer, not only for all the stuff we just mentioned, who really wanted an echo show? It was like, she was cool enough character, but not enough where everybody was like, we need an echo series. It's like no one was saying that. And then the reason why they do it is has that Netflix feel, which, that serious feel that Marvel just doesn't have anymore. And it's not this goofy She-Hulk stuff. It's like this really serious, like people are getting blasted in that. You're like, whoa, what is this? It's the first R-rated TV show they've released.

And it's on Hulu as well, which is the first. Right. So why in the world is this embargo? Does that make you nervous? I'm of two minds about it because I think on one hand, all the TVMA, Hulu simultaneously. release and the trailer is all very positive and maybe they want to ride that positivity and they're worried about review bombing because it's another and again this is conceptual but

the marvels I didn't enjoy as much as I wanted to but there was a lot of people that were already mad before it came out that were ready to be mad right whether they like it all the time and that's going to happen maybe they're worried about the same thing with a female led show with a badass woman and they're like we don't want those reviews coming out because of the positivity off the trailer That's my lemonade from the lemons. My lemons is obviously we're not, we were able to cut a great three minutes of this, and here you go. And that's my concern.

I haven't seen it. But I do think there is a contingent of audiences, like we were talking briefly before we aired, that, you know, the Star Wars conversation has gotten so angry, sight unseen. It's really delicate. So maybe they didn't want to have anyone have the opportunity to say anything because of the subject. Yeah, but if your show's good, you want buzz. You do want buzz. Because the thing is that you don't, because those people are going to. like you said, they're going to scream no matter what.

You want to get it out to people who are passionate about the Marvel stuff and that are looking for a win. I wish we had it and could talk about it right now. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. And it's like if it was great, but if you know, if you put that out there and we're, and we're the same way that we,

you and I worry about the Marvels, they're going to be like, uh-oh, so maybe they hold it. Winston, what do you think? You think this is an issue or no? Conventional wisdom says they gave us a little more leash for secret invasion and it completely just ate dog shit. And I think that they are,

especially if you're trying to turn a new leaf in the new year. Their PR is doing a lot of work. And especially knowing that, like, hey, Deadpool is going to be our only movie outing this year. Only movie. Only movie this year. Two shows.

Three animated. And you know that that's also the foray into more serious-toned projects and R and mature-rated projects. I think you're doing two things. I think you're one testing the waters because remember we started seeing Hulu content appearing on Disney Plus. So you're having this idea of they're already trying to figure out how do they repair the model now

since they've kind of put themselves in a little bit of an issue where I'm very curious with the Disney Plus subscribers looks like right now because that may have gone down. Right. Especially if you've been having too many people be like, I don't know, man. Like Star Wars Aight and, you know, and Marvel's been eyed and the kids have other things they can watch another platforms, like maybe we bounce. I think you put all that together and that a good trailer could make you think that a bad project is a good one. Too many signs point to this is not going to be good. More lemonade?

I hadn't thought of this, so you just said it. But we just had what if come out day, day, day, day, day, day. What if there's a bunch of spoilers at the end and they want to keep it under wraps for have it all in one day? This is the first time they've released everything in one day. I mean, I love your positive. The counter to that is they already announced that this is the Spotlight series, so it doesn't really have much to do with MCU anyway.

So that couldn't be it. Yeah, I just, I mean, maybe they're playing around the release models, but yeah, it doesn't bode well for the embargo. I don't deny. I hope it turns out that we, the conversation I want to have after we all watch it, I want to be like, why in the world did they release this like two weeks ago? This is amazing. This show was awesome. The fact that they, and

I also want to hear myself go, why in the world did they dump it all? This is a much talk, this is a water cooler show that you should be talking about every week leading into, because if that is the case, that is also a problem that Marvel's going to have,

because then it's like, the decision making is bad. If the decision making is the show did not come out how we wanted to do, we made a good trailer out of it, dump all of it, let's get to Deadpool, I understand the strategy, sucks, they're going to, you know, it's going to add into all the Marvel's in trouble, Marvel's in trouble,

and let's just get it out of the way and get to Deadpool. So I get it. What I don't get is it's a good show, dump it all, run away let's get back to to goofy silly jokes if they're gonna do that though like if it is actually good I again think this is them trying to see what models work better for them and it's not that you don't want the water cooler moments but you're already looking at like what Disney plus I just got an email that Disney plus Hulu bundle whatever I have just went up yeah so you're again how do we how do we deal with this in a way of what what about the model needs

to change. Okay, but you're talking about dumping all, that's the one thing, dumping all at once. Sure, sure. But it still doesn't answer the embargo issue. The embargo question. That's the other. But that was the one that I had said previously. The fact that the embargo is up, what, tonight?

No, the embargo, the embargo doesn't go up tonight. Armago comes out the day before the show comes out. So I thought the show came out tomorrow. No, tomorrow being today. Next week. It's next week. Okay. Yeah. All right.

We got the show today. No, no, I get that. Okay. I'm trying to talk in Friday, not like it's Thursday. Sure, sure. But yes, I get you. So I say all that to say is, again, that is a sign that it's bad. But if we're under the guys that maybe that was just a weird thing they did this particular time,

then they're just trying to figure it out. On top of the fact that maybe they're trying to specifically figure out, what do we do with stuff that we're not sure about. Yeah. And maybe, you know, because their tone is so different from the other stuff that they did. That's my hope. My hope is that they're just so used to doing this silly, like, you know, cotton candy nonsense they've been doing for the last, like, two, three years.

that they're like, oh, this is, our audience isn't going to like this really serious stuff. Dump it all. And then it turns out it's awesome. I also think you don't hire Justin and Aaron for Daredevil unless you're going to go serious. So that's a good sign. Like, you don't mean? Like you don't get the guys that did Loki to do that if they're going to go goofy. So I gives me hope they're going to be more echo trailer tuned since we haven't seen Echo yet.

You know what I'm really curious about as much as we're all probably, because of this, we're all going to watch the first episode today for sure. I can, I can almost see it. what is that text thread between the three of us And after this conversation, literally, what's it going to look like? Or is it going to be like, why didn't they release this? It's going to be like an oof?

Is it going to be like, what's it going to be? What I'm worried about is, remember, they only gave us what the two, was it two episodes or three episodes of secret? It was four. It was two. Oh, Secret invasion. I thought it was two. Yeah, two because I liked the first to a lot.

Right. I watched it and I was like, that it's five. Yeah, and I went to interview with the director and I was like, you know, look at that strategy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do that strategy. Yeah. Because I was so excited.

And then all of a sudden I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait. But that also makes me nervous. If they gave you all, if they gave you like, you know, they gave us three, not six. Let's give them. Let's give them, let them really two good ones. Yeah. Yeah. And let the critics talk about that.

And then, for weeks. For weeks. For weeks. And I, because secret invasion, it was like two or three weeks before. Strike. No, I did. Interview the director. It was right before the strike.

And it was the week before the strike. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Because I wouldn't have done an interview. I was like, I could have, but I wouldn't have.

Oh, no, no, no, no, you couldn't have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was still the week before the strike because I remember they were like, that's why it's early. And I was like, okay. That's one of the things. Is it three or, is it five episodes or six?

Echo. Six. Is it six? I think it's six. Some reason I thought it was five. You might be right, but I thought it was six. Okay.

We'll find out soon. Either way, is this an issue or making too big of a deal out of it? Do you think no, it's just, it's January. They're putting the thing out. They have confidence in it. Let's just say, very curious to hear what the audience says.

Make sure that you comment sticking with Echo. All right, so look, this actually dropped while we were talking about all this stuff, and we've got a confirmation that it is indeed five episodes, not six. Corey was right on that one. But this is a new teaser that just dropped for Echo. Again, another awesome trailer. But it confirms that the events in Netflix's Daredevil are canon, at least in this series, right? So Marvel Studios has released another teaser promo for Echo, and it appears to leave little doubt that the events of Netflix's Daredevil are canon.

Marvel Studios shared the teaser, and Kingpin Returns promo includes footage and dialogue from the first season of Daredevil as Black and White flashbacks revisit the howering origin of Wilson Fisk. We see the young Kingpin after he killed his father. We get a glimpse of Daredevil in the action. Brad Winterbaum recently suggested that the Netflix show would be canon on the secret timeline, but this appears to, to be a clear indication that Marvel Studios will be doing more than simply cherry-picking certain plot lines. Now, okay, so I'm so confused

in so many different ways now. From everything we just talked about in that conversation, that trailer was amazing. Why in the world would need to know? It looks, and it looks really good. Why in the world would you not put that out? The other thing is, it is canon. Well, the Netflix series is canon

to this show. Right. because it's a spotlight series, we don't necessarily, although it is connected to Hawkeye. And Hawkeye. Yeah. I'm crazy 10-4 hat theory.

What if they're not sure where they're going to Daredevil and they're trying to see how this does? Like Netflix, I honestly think could be canon going forward, but I think it is. You're saying canon to the answer. Right.

This is where the multiverse is so freaking confusing at this point. But that actually might be the other thing that's interesting. I know that they, reported it's the sacred timeline but what if what we're actually seeing in that regard is just some other timeline that we're like

privy to. That's why I think the showrunner of the show said it was the sacred timeline. He said it? Yeah, not them. Okay, I thought that was just a report. No, no, that was showrunners said that. I think they should honestly accept that they're disparate timelines and have Secret Wars clean it up so it's not as confusing. But I do think going

forward with Daredevil as a season four canon is smarter. I do too. You just can give me look let's go away from all the other stuff that you did in the past Let's get away let's get away from the silly goofy cotton candy stuff as I mentioned before we did it We had fun with it. It was great Let's do 80 million 90 million dollar budget movies and let's make them hardcore Let's let's see if the if the audience can handle it Let's try to save some money but let's also try to give some quality and give it a shot to do something kind of over the top

And if people want to go back and want to watch well I want to watch something I'm watching my kids. Well, we got phase two and three and one and two, three you can watch with your kids. This one's a little bit more. We're going mature with it. I think you can have a balance of both like the comics do. I think Daredevil on Netflix wasn't hindering the lighthearted movies. I think as long as it's

not too... I know, but I'm saying just it needs a shift. No, it definitely needs a shift. But I think you could do like five dark to two light as opposed to five light to too dark. I think I just over the light. I think you're just over. But I get it. But I think there's a balance to be right now. There's no balance. Yeah. You're just in your sinister face. He is. He's in his

villainar. It's just I'm bored with it. I'm just bored with it. It's like, and it's not just Marvel. It's like in the DC stuff too. It's at the same stuff over it. It's like what besides like I mentioned a billion times like Blue Beetle like when you actually have the characters. That's intriguing.

Ms. Marvel. The family, the superhero stuff yawn. It just doesn't. And not because why are you watching superhero movies? Because I want to see something different. I want to see like this kind of stuff is to me is different. Like watching. The Marvel's. You said Miss Marvel. No, Miss Marvel. No, Miss Marvel. You were bored by the superhero movie.

Hero 7 and it's Marvel? It was just generic. It was the same stuff. It was her finding her powers and it was her charm and it was the family and it was sitting around the table and learning the culture and her learning about the actual the bracelet and that kind of stuff that was more fascinating than when it actually, the fights, it was like, whatever. It's just I've just seen it a million times.

It's like we're in this place that we've just seen this stuff so much because it's just been happening. Stop showing the pearls drop, man. Like we've seen Crime Alley. Right. Well, so that's the other thing that I think is very interesting. You mentioning just being bent, like done with certain stuff. So yes, part of what the DCAU became like a massive problem,

and that's why then like a Wonder Woman and Shazam was a breath of fresh air was how insanely serious it was all the freaking time. And if you live in a place where it is light outside, 20 hours a day, or it's dark outside, like 18 hours a day, you are desperate for the sun to go down or for the sun to come up. And you really, what makes us function as humans is being, these places where you get X amount of light, you get X amount of dark. I think we need

to find that balance and we haven't. So it doesn't feel like New Year's to me because it's still like 50, 70 degrees. L.A. doesn't have seasons. We just got into a winter. Yeah, and that's so disorienting. That's why Christian wants all darkness. Like you've had a lot of fluff. Like, you know what I mean? We've had a lot of summer. But as I keep

saying the things that the audience is getting tired of, but just to hammer down the point for people who haven't heard it is I'm just going to hold everything to the Godzilla minus one standard now. What a film, man. I still haven't seen it. You can make a Blockbuster movie and care about the characters and you can put, you can make it serious, you can make it, and people still be interested in it, and you don't have to throw in a musical number in the middle of it before. God knows why, you can do these things.

That's your standard for evil. Any movie you're like this musical planet. But I love musicals. No, I get it. It's just so totally weird. I get it. It's like, it's one thing when I go to see, like, Mean Girls is a musical on Broadway. Yeah.

So when they make it the movie, the musical. Oh, okay, this is just mean girls, but this color purple, the musical. Okay, I'm in. Yeah, I'm in. Hey, this is a super movie. We've never had a music over. They're on a musical singing planet. It's like that stupid, it's, at this point, yeah, it's like that stupid movie I saw

Night Swim, okay? It literally was Blumhouse sitting around going, hey, we've done everything. And we can make money out of anything. What do you want to do? I got, I got it. What? Let's do a haunted pool movie. What?

A haunted pool movie. But why? Because we can make it for $13 and we'll make $40 million on it. Put it out. That seems like, hey, we've done this. Let's do a musical plan. What you're missing in that pitch is that they are at the time skinny dipping in a pool or smoking that blunt and going, bro, this pool was haunted, though.

But the difference is inside of that pitch, they said, Let's make it for $13. Right. Not $250 million. Not know who our audience is. Throw in a musical number. Cats eating people. Let's do that.

And then go, why did I make money? It's like, so, like, stop doing that. Like, give me something different. That's my point. All right. We got to go because Koi was late. I stayed till after.

It's 1205. I even went to three extra minutes. I said an hour and we didn't do it. So thanks for joining us here today on the Koi is late. show. So Winston, where can I find you? You can find me at the Swaggy Blurred, man. My 2023 wrap-up should be out today because this is Friday.

So definitely check that out. It'll be on YouTube. YouTube, all slow roll it, but then TikTok and Instagram same thing at the Swaggy Blurred. You can see him out right now. Quay doesn't get a plug today. So 58 minutes. It's been 58 minutes. What's the minions from sophomores? Oh.

What? He's broken. Banana. Banana was late too. All right. Thank you. Coy Johnro at YouTube, TikTok. I got my ear in stuff coming up

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