Is DUNE PART TWO one of the greatest sci-fi films ever? SPOILER Discussion LIVE
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01:40PDSdebt.com slash Harloff and get your free assessment today.What's going on, everybody?Welcome back to the show.Happy Monday.And this is definitely going to be a happy Monday for everybody who's seen Dune Part 2because we're going to get into it.It's a spoiler heavy discussion.If we get to it, there's a couple other stories.
01:57But I think the majority of it is.going to be us kind of talking about and i think raven about dune part two and as i posed in thein the title of this is it one of the greatest science fiction movies of all time which are way tooearly to say you needed time to marinate what do you think we're going to talk about all of thatmyself and john roka here today so you're brand new to the channel you never been here beforehit that button man subscribe to the channel let's get talking let's talk about all this differentstuff we got a lot of things going on and we got out of the theater for kung fu panda tomorrow nightthat's going to be fun.
02:31But today it's all about Dune Part 2.It's about all the performances.We'll talk about how it is, just the grand scale of it.And I threw a suggestion of a wonderful supporter throughout the years, Ed Harrell,who had said, hey, man, listen, why don't you post the show over the weekend?Because it gives people more of an opportunity to start throwing in questions now.And that's exactly what I did, and that's exactly what you did.So we're taking your super chats.
02:55And at the end of the show, well, when we're done with our spoiler portion of the show,show. We'll get to your questions. And we'll start. So if you want to fire those in there,fire them in now. And then by the time we get to that portion, you can do throughout the entireshow, John and I will be here until the end of it. So that's it. That's the setup to the Juneto spoiler on the big thing. Apple Podcasts, Spotify, everywhere podcasts are found.Hi, man. Let's get to it. It's the big thing with me and John. Here we go. What's up?Welcome back. Here it is. The big thing. It's me. AndJohn Roka.
03:46That's right.John Roker is sending me text guys during the week,and he's telling me about bets we didn't make.And even if we had made it, he would have lost because he was saying it's going to make $120 million over the weekend.And I said, I hope you're right, but I think anywhere between 75 to 80 and domestically, it made around 80.So 81, whatever.So either way, doesn't bode well for you for Deadpool when that comes.around. Oh, no, don't even start, man, please. But anyway, but the movie did very, very well.
04:19Yeah. It crushed at the box office. I think it was like 180 overall for worldwide. Yeah,pretty incredible. And people keep wanting to go back and see it. It's been in my head. Have you seen ittwice yet? I'm going to see it today. As soon as we're done with the show, there's a 12 o'clock. So it's like 30minutes of preview. So if we're done in time, I'm going to roll over there. It's five minutes away,because we've got to do a live review tonight on the Outlaw Nation channel with the geek buddies. We'rehave fun talking about it there. So I'm excited to see it in the4X. So I want to go see it. There's like two people in the theatertoo. Because this weekend sold out everywhere. Oh, it wasn't
04:56sold out. Well, yeah, Monday. I could see Monday. Monday probably beless, but once you get to nighttime showings, I bet she's going to startpacking out a little bit more. And, you know, I think that the hardcore fans ofpeople that really wanted to see it saw it this weekend. And then the word of mouthpeople will start seeing the question is how big is the drop off going to be? You know,if it was 81, I bet you, I think it's going to have a healthy drop-off.So I'd say we're looking at like, you know, probably 45 for week two.Okay.
05:27I don't know.I think word of mouth is going to be strong for this one.I think a lot of people who are maybe hesitant are going to go see this thing more thanonce.And then we'll see what the drop-off is.I'm thinking 30 to 40, but again, I was wrong on 100.We're in the same range.We're in the same range for week.
05:43I think anyone between 35 to 45 is realistic.So I think, and if it keeps doing those little hits, it's just the question is, is it, as we said last week, is it going to get cannibalized by its own movie with Kong and Godzilla?Because you've got ghost busters, which could take a little bit off of it for sure.But it's the Warner Brothers movie, the big is the bigger spectacle, another one, which, I mean, I guess they had to because they have more releases coming out.It's just like, why would you put that in the same month as doing?I just don't understand the wait until April, the first week of April or something.Counter-programming, I guess, on their own stuff, maybe.Like I said, in December, they did the same thing, and it worked out for two out of three.
06:26And maybe it'll work out for two out of three here, but we'll see.I mean, and like you said, everyone who's going to see these movies with those three movies,they're going to see it opening weekend, a majority of them.So then it's just going to be about which ones have legs.And maybe all three of them do.We'll see.Wait a minute.Someone said Godzilla.
06:42is coming in April, not March?When did they move it?When did they move it?Yeah, it might be overseas there.Yeah, let me double check because that's not as of four days ago.It was the end of March.Let me see if that's true.Let's see.
07:02Kong versus Godzilla or Kong and Godzilla.March 29th, 2024.This person might be talking overseas.Yeah, it is.A small town.Yeah, it has not moved.It's still March 209.Yeah.
07:11So it's the end of the market.It's the end of the month for Kong and Godzilla.They kept it there.So anyway, this guy.I don't like that.BAM.Poor guy.Very well might be where he lives.
07:24Yeah, that's right.But no, here in the state that's coming out of the end of March.Anyway, so let's get into this thing, dude.We wanted to talk to about it since you saw it.I had seen it and then you saw, I think you saw like four hours later.Yes.Yes.Dune part two, it starts out.
07:42I mean, the second the thing starts out, you just know.And by the way, if you didn't already know from the title, this is a spoiler-heavy discussion.So if you're hearing you haven't seen Dune and, you know.Well, spoilers.The way that this thing is shot just to set you up, that it is purely a continuation of this entire story.It's not like 10 years later.If you watch this movie as one big, long movie, you won't even notice that it's, you know, it doesn't jump in time.it's just them moving with the fremen both jessica and paul and they're moving in the desert and then
08:17when the harkin and come after them and you really get to see because we've got set up in the first onewhen duncan was telling them how great of fighters they are right and you see it you see themas fighters in little snippets too you really see what they do in this scene and it's like whoabecause even Paul and Jessica, like, what the fuck is going on?Yeah, yeah.Well, I mean, like they're supposed to represent, you know, a native culture understandsits land more than anyone else and understands where to hide, how to move, how to takeadvantage of the environment.
08:50And you see that happening in the, in that fight sequence as well.Right.Sand and all of that, coming from the ground, all of that, pretty badass.But still, the fear of Paul, the idea of like, okay, what is Cheney doing?What is Jessica doing?They're still a little bit behind with the.Fremen because like you said, we're picking up right where we left off.So they haven't been with them for like years and years and years and they picked all this
09:13stuff.They're still figuring out how to work their fighting within the, their, the Fremen skillsas well.They're just moving.There's walking with them to get to the, to get to where they need to go.They almost get left behind, Christian, once the fight starts, because everyone's like,you stay here.Yeah.
09:28And then they all grow and take care of business.Yeah.Hold your own.Because if you either chose one, you're going to be, you should be okay.And then even when you have this whole thing with Stilgar, when he's, because theyfinally get to the cave and and still guard stillgar is essentially morphius by the way yeah i meanhe's morpheus i mean in the way that he believes in the prophecy no one else does he believes in ithe's got to keep i shouldn't say no one else does but he's got he's got to tell people yeah that
09:49he does and then um and i'm sure morpheus was based off of stillgar uh and when they're in thecave and then what are we going to do with the mother and he's like well i got an ideasee it's it's the same thing it's like if she survives and if if she's supposed to bethis guy is the messiah then the mother is going to live because she's part of the prophecyright so get him to the old witch let her drink the the worm snot and then let's see whathappens that it is exactly yeah it was it was like yeah that whole thing dude like that wholeI mean every little thing I saw um are um you know you know DJ Woolridge pretty well rightyeah most stupid questions that it is only stupid answer
10:30I've become pretty, you know, pretty good pals with DJ over the last couple of years.And but I do find myself in the opposite page with him a lot of times.And he was talking about pacing.He's like, look, it suffers from the same thing that the first is just some of the pacing is, I could say self-indulged.I'm like, I wrote back that picture of Will Farrell.It's like, I like you, man, but you're crazy.You're crazy.And it's like, what are you talking about?
10:57The pacing in this movie is everything.The pacing is because it keeps setting you up and setting you up and little nuggets here and there.And then when they do deliver on those big scenes, whether it's in the, I mean, again, just going back to that opening scene when they're picking the harkening's off and the silence of the harkening is just falling off the cliff.And then the big, and then the worms coming in and getting rid of the remnants.It's like all that.That's pacing in one aspect.And then you get the, well, this isn't just, we're not going to just feed you full of action.We're going to feed you with the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the.
11:30fanaticism of some religion.You know, we're going to, like the belief, the faith of religion as well.And it's like all these different things that kind of played into it.Yeah, I just think it's an absolute masterpiece.I really do.Yeah, it scratches your action, itch.And it also challenges your mind.And I like that about the film.
11:52It works on both levels.If you don't want to dive into the themes that they're talking about in the film with religiousfanaticism, with colonialism, all that stuff going around.you don't have to.The film works on its own straight up as an adventure film,as a thriller,and what have you,and as a film that has twists and turns for its main character,
12:10so that by the end,it's almost a tragic ending in a way.Totally is.It's much more bleak than people think that ending.But with DJ,I imagine it's because the film didn't 100% work for him,the pacing becomes noticeable.When a film works for you,
12:25you never notice the pacing,because in fact,that's why it works for you,because the pacing is good,is part of the elements of what worked for you.And I agree with you, I had no issues with the pacing.I mean, I felt like I was being taken all around.By the end, I'm like, oh, shit, I wish there was 15 more minutes of this ride, you know.
12:42Well, because I felt the world was, all the worlds were real.As you said, you're getting taken on these adventure every time when it is a ship.And the reason why I think a lot of people have been comparing it to the Game of Thrones,because it feels episodic, right?It feels like you're, you'll be with Paul and his mom and the Fremen for a bit for a while.And then you're with the Harkinans.You're on that planet.You're not even, you're, you're with the emperor's daughter, like, setting up the fact that, that fade is, it could potentially be the Messiah.
13:10And it couldn't be Paul.So, and then you set up that entire thing with the Harkening arena, which is just that could, that could have been self-indulgent.That could have been.And like, like, oh, what do you?You just show me how cool you can film stuff.It all made sense on how that was supposed to play.And that was the time to go to your pacing.issue. When I was sitting in the theater, I'm going, right now, I'm like, this movie's got to be
13:34two hours long so far. And I'm going, but there's so much more to tell. I'm like, it's gota three-hour movie. I'm like, it has to be. And I wanted it to be because you've heard me manytimes going, why are these movies so long? Like when they don't need to be. I was like, this movieneeded to be this long because of the story it was telling. Yeah, the scope of it and size ofthe story for sure. And you're right. The black and white sequence with the introduction ofWade Roth, I thought was great because it also weaved in the story about.how they've been using the Atradis family,how little they think of the Atradis family,
14:03by having these last three that are remaining,almost Gladiator-like,like we see at the end of Gladiator,get stabbed, get poisoned,so that it's an easier kill for Fadratha.And the twist to have the Lord Harkin in therenot drug one of the guys to show what he can really use.A nice twist within that story,
14:21or within that section of the story,which makes it super interesting to watch how that's all going to play out.You know, and I had said this as I was finishing,as I finished the second one and I did my out of the theater and I did my review on it,I said, I'm going to guarantee you that when you watch the first one now,not only does the first one elevate the second one,the second one elevates the first one beyond.Have you watched the first one since you watched yesterday?
14:43I watched it yesterday in the afternoon.We watched it just for fun.And I'm like, damn, this is so much more richer having seen the second one.Because that guy you're talking about that fought fade is in the ship with themwhen they're going to the planet before he gets,before he gets captured.And you see him, you see him in that scene.Oh, that's the guy.
15:03I'm like, all right.There's that moment.There's little things.She, Jessica even says to, um, what's the, the grandmother or whatever.It's whatever.Yeah, yeah, yeah.She says to her after she tests Paul and Paul survives with the box.She says, Jessica says, we've been, we've been crossing bloodlines for years.
15:21Yes.And like, when you pick, when you go back now, if you've seen the second one, you're like, shit.Like, because Paul is hark and.in he's a trade he's part of the benny jesuit he's so he's he's got that's exactly what she said we'vebeen crossing these bloodlines for a reason yeah so and it because he he was crossed was where fadewasn't fade's just pure he're as far as we know awesome butler is next level in this movie dudei mean listen make fun of all the accent and all he can't get rid of and nonsense make fun of all youwant i think he looks i think he was fantastic here and seeing that new trailer for the bike riders
15:56Looks like he's just going now moving past Elvis completely and embracing this path.You know, there's some actors that get the shot, then they fumble the ball, don't quite pick the right projects.And there are some actors that understand the right projects and get called to be in him and really step up to the plate.And he has done it here, and I imagine he'll do so in white writers as well.Yeah, I thought the three standouts to me were Zendaya, Austin Butler, and then obviously Timothy Shalamey, who.yeah yeah shalimee is in is a movie star i mean the guy's a movie star and he like because when you firsti remember it's the first one and people were like oh this guy's not gonna be able to be paultrades and be a realistic leader bullshit like because because you a different actor with that
16:40scowl and you're like because look i am i'm a big leonard decaprio fan now right when he wascoming up i was like all he does is scream i'm like and it's not an intimidating scream it's likeit's like it's like slack kid yeah it's like whiny but but now but now but nownow he's since departed. I'm like,I'm a massive Leo fan, but it took him a while to grow into it.With Salome, I'm like, no, that scowl, you could have played that.I'm like, that kid with the hood on. I'm like, where's that Jedi Sith turn been?I'm like, where's that been? And I saw somebody I was writing, because I had said,
17:12it was the best kind of Sith heel turn, dark side turn, and people like that, not people.One guy was like, that's not, that wasn't a dark side turn. There is no bad or good.I'm like, what are he talking about?He became exactly what he said he was worried about.I can't go to the south side of this thing because this is what's going to happen.He was like, he saw it was like the Dr. Strange moment where it's like, I see all thesealternate things, but there's only one way out of this thing.And he went and he just, he became the thing that he didn't want to be.
17:41And he takes the emperorship.He takes the emperorship.Yep.It's like he's gone, he's gone rogue, guys.Yeah, he's dark side.That's what's saying.It's a much more depressing finale than people think.and that's why they kind of have a shot of who is coming next from Jessica's loins
17:58and what her role is going to be in the next one.But I agree with you.To me,I compare DiCaprio and Chalome.Because Chalomey has spoken about how DeCaprio has been a mentor of hisand kind of guiding him through this land of Hollywood and stuff.Decaprio is Tom Brady and Chalemay is Patrick Mahomes.That's essentially it.
18:16A guy who comes in who seems to be way more mature beyond his years,get the game way beyond his years,and immediately understands what to do in these situations.And so he's been successful at a much earlier time in his career than Decaprey.Although Decaprey did get nominated for Gilbert Grape.I'm with Christian like, yes, he's good an aviator.Yes, he's good in these other films.But it isn't until departed that he actually makes that jump.
18:40And you're like, okay, holy shit, this guy.Yeah, everything since then.Everything since then, I'm just like, his stuff is must watch for me now.Exactly.Okay, I didn't dislike him, but I was just like, I don't believe this guy when he'strying to be intimidating or right but now he's one of the greats right and shallamay is like yousaid i step up to where he is just kind of fine i mean look at this kid he already had all themovies that he's been in when whether it's the call me by your name is the one that really i think
19:07that that's what it was that one uh that one that one that one was the first one you're like who's thatwho's that kid and then he was i mean he was ready where greta gurwig and in little womenthings from that.But Wonka last year,but he made $500 million.Yeah.Or more.I think six or something,
19:26whatever it's made.And then you're going to get this one.He's been in kind of back to back,big movies,and he is a bona fide movie star.And you saw what he brought to Paul Atreides.And it was like,and I say this with, as you guys know,
19:42like I've been,hey,I've just,I've been harder on Star Wars recentlybecause I just don't feel likethey have, they don't have this kind of vision at all, right?And when you look at even, even when you go back to the prequels,and we've always talked about how Anakin's turn, when you look at,
19:57he's just like, the purpose of why he goes,but then out of nowhere, it's just like, okay, now I'm Darth Vader.Where you see Paul Atreis is fighting these urges.He's fighting this whole thing to where, and his mother is pushing him.His mother is almost like the emperor to where she's like,you got to do this, you got to go there.And she leads him to drink, you know,Once he drinks the blue, it's over.
20:20Right.And then Shawnee is, and this is why I thought there's one look at the very end after he beats Fade.And she looks over, it was Zendaya that is.And she's just like, well, this is everything we talked about.And that ain't the guy anymore.Right.I'm out.There's a tragedy in that.
20:39Right.And she's the one that won't bend the knee.She won't bow down to him.She won't do anything because her connection to him is different than everyone else's connection to him.She has seen him struggle against this impulse.And once he gives into it, she realizes, all right, the man I loved is no longer there anymore.He is going to walk his own path and I am going to walk my own path.There wasn't a crying, breaking down, tragedy.
21:01No, she's like, I get it because I'm a hard edge, badass bitch.And I can't be part of this anymore.I'm getting the fuck out of here.So I thought that was awesome.Which is awesome.But, you know, what this is the thing is that it shows that there are times, at least in my opinion,And there are times when the creator of the movie does something different than the book.Oh, yeah, 100%.
21:22And it works because in the book, Johnny goes, okay, I guess I'm just going to be, I'll be the side lady.Right.And she doesn't walk away.She stays with him.And she stays loyal to him.And I think for the narrative that Denise set up, this was more fitting.100%.It worked in the book from what I, from what I,
21:46again, from a lot of the stuff that I was reading about, but like this, but the continuation of it,obviously for one of the most beloved sci-fi novels of all time, I think that I startedwatch, I also started watching the David Lynch movie.Oh, God.Yeah, and I just, well, more so, it's not fair.It's not fair to compare them from the 1984 movie to its kind of technology and everything.It's different directors, too.Lynch is a different.
22:14Very different.But I was looking more so like what story elements they took, right?And certainly, I mean, they show the emperor right up top in the 84 version.I like that they teased it.And what walking, like, because they didn't, and you and I talked about this, they didn't over walking him.It was perfect.I'm going to walk in.Yeah, it was just enough because he wasn't like, well, who?
22:36It's like, because the problem is this.So many people get right.It's a worm.Get it.It's so many.Who placed your daughter?Florence.sure and it's but that's the thing is everybody has an impression of walking yeah sure
22:51and the problem is that now when you see him you don't see the great actor you see theimpression yeah yeah yeah and it's not fair to him he's which is which is why i did thesuper bowl commercial i thought which was great yeah right yeah he was also really great in um in uhwas it succession not succession uh what's the one what's the one from uh ben stiller the one i loveoh yeah um severance yeah yeah thank you um he was great in severance yeah he was great inBut anyway, he's really, the emperor, he, it's, the emperor is not supposed to, because, you know, you think of the emperor right away and you think of, okay, you're going to get a, you're going to get a Palpatine, you're going to get all these types of just really evil thing. And he's just manipulative is what he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.He just, he, he's the quench for power and what he's got to do and the things that he's been trying to maneuver with the Harkinens.And I love what they did with Batista.
23:41Yeah.He's just a big screaming bully.Yeah.He's not, he's not that tough.I mean, Brolin whoops his ass, you know, at the end.And then he's, he runs away from Paul because he scared out of his mind.Fates slaps the shit out of him.So it's, and fade.
23:55Yeah, there's so much to talk about, but you can, you can pick one of the things you want to.I love it.Yeah, I do enjoy the emperor.if you guys get a chance to watch the cast on Jimmy Fallon,Austin Butler does a great Christopher Walken impressionbecause he was nervous about doing SNL and walk untilyou got to do it. Just read the Q-Card's, you're fine.And so just a simple advice and it's great,
24:17and he does a great impression of him.So you understand there was a lot of respect for him, right?And I agree with you.The perfect amount, as we texted about, perfect amount of walk-upbecause when you got someone like Florence Pugh,you don't need to put a lot of walking in there.You need to let her take the leadin this particular area of the story.
24:31and I thought she did a great job with it.And at the end, he's defiant as fuck, right?Like at the end, he's like, yeah, I did it.I fucked your dad over.Let's go.And he takes care of business with fate.And it's Florence who seeks mercy from Paul for her, for the emperor.And so you see that connection.
24:47So I love the way that they we've weaved all of that in to see what we're going to get here in the future going forward with Florence in the next installment, which will be a lot of fun.Which I've named it five different times every time I talk about it.It is Messiah, not prophecy.not legacy. It's Messiah.Dude, isn't this also incredible, Christian,like when you watch us, you and I, you know,you're younger than me, but like,we see now there's a new crop
25:11of these really exciting, fun, young actorsthat are really bringing an incredible amount of talentand weight and, dare I say, Gravitas,to their performances here consistently,whether it's a franchise film or an independent small film,Florence Pugh, Anya, Taylor Joy, Timothy Shalame,Austin Butler,There are so many of these actors that are going through here now.
25:34It's like exciting now again.Yeah, it is.And I think that and that's where, and when you look at some,look at Zendaya, right?Like she's got that movie challenges coming out.And that,that movie, because of Dune now,we'll have more excitement on it.
25:48She already had it from,I didn't watch Euphoria,but everyone, like, loved that.And I thought,you know what's funny about her is that when she was in the,the first Spider-Man when I saw her.Right.And I was like,
25:59this is just kind of like an emothey're trying to make her just, oh, I'm toocool MJ type thing. I'm like, I don'tknow. And then it's the second movie that I'm like,oh, wait. Yeah. That's,she's, she is putting such ashield up for this girl.And you see that because of the performance, like, oh,
26:17I like her. And then the last one,even more so. But she's, thismovie was the one that I was just like,yeah, this is another superstar here.Yeah. And I can't, I'm actuallyway more excited for challengers.The trailer looks really good.I'm way more excited now because I keep seeing what she is capable more every time
26:36she puts in a performance.But the chemistry between her, I saw some people saying they didn't think the chemistrywas there and I was like, I don't know what they're watching.I thought it was so, like, because there's these moments like when they're in the cave.And like it's, we've all been there.Anybody in relationship has been there.You're in this and you're, whether it's your, you're doubting yourself for a second or youget into a conversation.
26:57There's like this brief little argument to where she says,says to him, she's like, well, you're not for a minute. And he's like, well, wait a minute. And he's like, well, you are. But like, you know, they have this conversation. It's like, she realizes what she says real quick. And she's got that kind of thing up. And then she's like, I love this guy. And I love this guy. And I'm worried. It's like, you get all of that. And it's even why Denis Blenho kind of backtracked on his dialogue comments. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. Because he's master of dialogue. He's a master. And when he said that, he's just like, I hate dialogue. You're saying it in kind of like a joking manner. And you know, there's like, you can'tsay anything, especially whenyou're one of these big movies coming outwhen people are going to dissect every little word you say.But like the dialogue in this movie isChef's Kiss, man. Yeah, agreed, man.There's so much that you get invested with these
27:41characters because of how the dialogue is laid outand how itforeshadows and then shows youthe twists and turns that are going to happen with thesecharacters. I mean, you know, Rebecca Fergusonwas stellar in this movie.I know she's killing it all the time.We didn't talk about her yet, really. And everyone
27:59wants to find out who this co-star is, butdon't forget that this is an actuallyincredibly great actresswho has this confidence toher, and it's great that she told that storybecause this is a person who has been on a journeyhere for when she was starting out,had a kind of a situation for her that was really tough,
28:15but now you see that no one wouldfuck with Rebecca now, and she's very calmand speaking her truth and speaking her piece,and having her play this character that you really like her,but then you see these twists and turns.You're like half cheering for her, and you're half afraid of her,which I like that as a character.Half afraid of her.
28:32She's terrifying.She's terrifying in this movie because you know what's funny about it?You always really talked about this.And maybe I read it wrong.Maybe I read it wrong, but I could have sworn.When they're in the cave at one, right afterwards,and Jessica doesn't really know, she's kind of lost before she goes and drink something.And Paul's the one who says, we got to make them believe that I'm the Messiah.
28:55Right.He tells her, because we got to make them believe that on the one, whether he believes it or not.He says, we've got to make her believe.And then from there on, then she starts to do it and say, and he's like, you're doing it through fear.You're doing whatever you're doing it through because once both of them, once they drink that thing, she's the first one to go.She's the first one to go to the.She starts like the way that she absolutely does it.And she's not like slapping anybody around, but she's manipulating and she's doing it.
29:19And she's pushing the right, she's pushing the right candidate.I mean, it's not a, it's not a false profit.This guy is, this guy is the good.but like they got to make some sacrifices in order to get it done yeah and i love and even the endingdude like when they when they all show up and i'm like okay how long is this going to be kind of draggedout from this fight it's like not long at all they come in a wreck shop it's so it's so goodyeah that's what it feels like the film itself is a two-hander with jessica and paul on thein having similar journeys within their own respective storylines yeah right because remember she was
29:56i think she was like part of the harem for paul atradie's fatherand then has the baby with him,which is Paul.And so we see that.And so she's climbing out of being underneath the queen motherand taking her spot, in essence,by the end of the second film,and same thing with him.
30:13He's kind of stumbling, figuring himself out.By the end of the film,he has reached this higher level.So both of them are on their respective journeys.Hers is,she's very clear about what she's doing.He is a bit not sure.And then by the end,
30:26they're both standing atop the pyramidin power. Can I bring up a personal moment with you that I could have I felt I could feel theemotion going through you when I watched it. Sure. When you when you combine the first movie whenPaul's father says to him you know you'll find your way. Yeah. And then he has the sand and he goes,I found my way. Oh man. Right. It was that what am I right? Well, you like yeah. Oh yeah. I went like this.I was like a 10 year old way. Motherfucker. Yeah. And I was like this perfect.It was so good. There's so many other moments that we're going to keep talking about.So as I mentioned in the beginning of the show, make sure that you put your questions in there.
31:06We've seen so many of them come in.So we're going to get to all of them.We'll make sure that we get to them and get all your questions we want to hear them.They don't have to be about June.You guys want to ask other things.That's fine.But if you want to talk about June, there's things that we miss.I obviously want you guys to bring those moments up.
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33:26What for me, I got to do it the right way.I got to make sure that I have my battery recharge.And I also got to make sure that what I'm doing for work, I do the same thing.I just like, take a break.And I've talked about it many times in the show Roxy Stryer has benefited many, many ways from BetterHelp.And so has a few people in my family.And I would tell you, for your social sweet spot in general, go to BetterHelp.Visit BetterHelp.com slash big thing today.
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34:17And, you know, having gone through therapy myself and seen the value of therapy,I can't recommend it enough.And we all need it.Break the stigma.We all need it.It's important.There's no shame in it.And you never know what you can find out about yourself when you kind of open it up a little bit and work through some of the issues.
34:37And you might find more success in your life.And isn't that what we all want really in our world?It's 100% right.You know, I wanted to jump to another moment that we can talk, even if we covered it right, John,I would talk about like our favorite, like some of the favorite moments that we have.And one of my favorite moments,and I think it's a lot of people's favorite moments,is that when you have that moment in the first movie
35:00when the grandmother, again, I forget what they call her,but she's got Paul's hand in the box,and she's like, he's like, how dare you use the voice on me?And she looks at him, right?And she's like, there's something about this kid.And then when she calls over to him at the end,and he goes, silence!And she's like, whoa!
35:20It's like, you ain't messing with this kid anymore.Nice try.I think you box and show it up your ass.Because that moment, you're like, wow, this is next level stuff.And I love the way Fade looks at him, by the way, too.Because Fade beats the older, our trade, Trades guy, right?Yeah.What's his face?
35:42Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.He beats all.Yeah, right, exactly.And then, of course, takes Cara Batista, pushes him out of the way, takes his spot.Yeah, but it's like, when he beats that first guy and he says, you fought well, you know,to the guy. And then whenhe fights with this kind of maniacthing where it's just all about the fight, it's all
36:00about the thing. Because when Paul isbeating up the baron, yeah,yeah. You say he doesn't give a shit.Faith just in the back going, all right, nice job. Yeah, get him out of the way.It helps me out. Yeah, I'm good.He's like what? Just like the empire.No one's trying to stop Vader fromforce choking people. Okay, I get to move up. Great.
36:21I move up oror um moff tarkin you know i get to move up fine you know it's like it's like what uh what brolinsays in the beginning you don't know harkins they're brutal right that's like that whole thing likewhere he's you you see them even when he's like yeah i'll i'll fight you and he's a cousin that's interestingdidn't see that coming it's like let's do it and then that bad because i'll tell you i didn't knowthe book in right right so i all i knew is that people were going this is the empire strikes backof June.And I'm like, holy shit, Paul could lose this fight.
36:53Right. Because when they're talking about what they, I'm like, I don't think he'sgoing to lose, but I could see it. And then when he gets stabbed, I'm like, holy shit,is he going to die? I'm like, no, they're not going to do that. You're not going to kill him.Right. And he doesn't, but I wouldn't have been surprised. Yeah. Yeah. The way that they shotthat whole thing. Um, yeah, so that's, those are some of the moments to pop out to me. How aboutyourself? Yeah, absolutely. I love those moments, um, as well.I love the, when she drinks the spirit, the goo, whatever,you say the worm mucus or whatever, when she drink it the first time and where she goes
37:27and the visions that we see, all that stuff, I really enjoy as a director,watching what he can create as an alternate reality in a person's mind and perception of what they're seeing.I love those scenes.As we talked about the battle sequence there introducing Fade Ratha, I thought that was great.And then the fight scenes at the massive battle fight, or sorry, massive battle sequence at the end,that was excellent as scope-wiseexcellent to see all of that happening which Ithoroughly enjoyed so yeah those are
37:56some of my favorite scenes for sure and then the CheneyPaul stuff those quieter moments when they're havingconversations about their future conversationsDick Cheney's in the movie? The Dick Cheney exactlyChonney don't shoot me in the faceand then I like that Chanihad her friend righther friend there who was like questioning her
38:16and questioning the situation and then shesacrifices herself to allow them to be able to lead.I thought that was a great.They didn't do a little. They didn't do a backstory.You got it. She's connected. She cares.And she sacrificed herself like a warrior at the end, which I thought was great.It's funny because you look at something like, I don't want to pile on the movie,but you look at something like, what was it?
38:37Captain Marvel.No.When there was like that.The Marvels.Right.Sorry.The Marvel.So when I think there was like there's a, there's one of the villains in there that you just like,
38:47who is.who is that?I don't even know who that.Was that the movie?Was it the Marvel's?No, there's one particular,I can't remember what it was.There's one movie that they,
38:56you're supposed to care about this villain or something.It gets in a,shit,what movie was it?I can't remember it was,but there's some villain that popped in recently.And I'm like,I'm like,
39:07why am I supposed to care about that person?I don't even know who that is.Is it?Oh, it was Aquaman.It was Aquaman 2.Oh,okay.Aquaman 2 was,
39:14and like,they set up this,this villain.of this woman she's in it for like,she's one of the,the bad guys. Yeah. You're like, who is that?Yeah, they don't even tell you who she is.Like she's running the ship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:27Who is that? And then there's none of that in this movie.In this movie, it's like even the side characters, oh, that's who that is.Okay. Like you said, the friend, it's like,to set up enough moments that when you're like, oh, okay,well, there's a reason why, because it takes her a second.And there's that whole great moment.And, you know, with the fremen when they're given Paul his name.you know and and he's and he's he's standing on the line and he's going through and they're hugging him
39:52it's like all that build up and watching them fight and watching like this is there's just so much toit and like you cannot that's why i can't when people say what movie do you like better one or twothis is one movie i mean i this isn't this isn't two movies it's just like it's like it's likeyou can call it part one and part two but it's like first half second half it's what it is i thinkhe shot them in his mind as one movie. Yeah. And then like took the break, obviously in between so they couldedit and put the first part out. But I think he shot them all as one movie in his mind. Kind of likeTarantino with Kill Bill. That's all one movie in Tarantino's mind. It was why it came in and cut it up and made it a part oneone and part two. But in essence, he shot it like one movie. It's one book. It's one book. It's one
40:36book. It's in the same way that like, I don't know, Harry Potter the last, the deathly, was itIt's one book.It's like one and two.It's just,it's,you just can't put out a six hour movie unless you're Martin Scraisezzi,you know,but it's like this is,
40:53it's a six,it's a six hour film and I,I'm going to,when this comes out on digital or whatever,I'm going to watch it.I'm going to block off six hours of my day.I was going to sit on my couch and I'm going to watch the whole damn thing in oneshot because it's,
41:11like the first one just keeps getting better and better for me and so much for so that my wholefamily's saying you're obsessed with this movie stop it um i was trying to get my wife to watch itand i was like okay i'm in bed watching the other night and she watched the first of it and was likeokay you want to watch it again with me and then my daughter which she loves timothy shallomay it's likei want to watch it too and then i said to my wife last night this is this you're going to likewhere this goes but it doesn't end well for dune um i said to my wife i go i'm pretty muchgiving up on dune you're not going to watch because i hate that movie really i'mI'm not going to watch. I hate that movie. And I said, what do you want to watch? She's like,
41:44I want to watch the first roadhouse. And I go, perfect. It's like, forgiven. Forgiven.Forgiven. And we started watching the first. She watched the trailer for the Jill and Hall one after we watched the first,we're going to finish up the original. Yeah.Tomorrow, tonight. But I showed her after we watched the first 45 minutes or whatever it was of Roadhouse,we watched the new trailer. She's like, I hate that trailer.What? Because she's like, why are they trying to redo the 80s? You.can't redo the 80s. She's a bigprotector of the 80s. And so
42:15Fair points. I respect that actually.Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway.So there's, yeah, dude,I'm trying to think, like, there's just so muchthat, you know, inside of this thing of where,I mean, how great was Javier Bardem?I was, I mean, I was watchinga, you did a thing on, I think it was
42:32GQ, one of those YouTube videos were like, you know, they do the Google,where they go, well, Javier Bar Dam, this or that.Such an avable, sweet, funguy who gets it and respects and loves and is humble about his abilities.And then when you see him in a role like this,because I mean,as you saw in No Country for All Men,can be quite chilling when he's playing a villain.
42:52But playing a character like this is so interesting for himbecause this natural vulnerability that he has comes throughand the way he cares about Paul,the way he sees Paul in a certain way.And everything Paul does is seen through the prism of,well, he's the chosen one.So therefore, this is the way it's supposed to be.And even when things fall apart, oh, it was supposed to go that way.
43:11And so to see someone of this powerful character surrender himself to Paul,I think it was such a smart choice to cast him and what he was able to bring to the role.As it goes along in the second movie here, I thought it was great to see.Everyone's talking about Austin Butler, but Bardam and Jessica, both of them,Bardem and Rebecca Ferguson deserve a lot of conversation as well.Roland, too.Yeah, brolin.Yeah, all the performances, man, like they were really, really great.
43:35And I think that.Yeah, well, you're talking about with.Javier Bardem is the same thing that I thought Lawrence Fishburn brought to Morpheus, right?It's like it's the belief.It's the belief in something so strong that you'll just, it elevates you and it elevates your purpose.And because of the belief, I know the difference is in, in the matrix, you kind of see where it kind of tests them a couple different times where he doesn't know if it's going to like, and all the thing that Stilgar has ever, ever doubts.Well, and that's what allows him to become what he becomes.comes. So in a way, it's a commentary on how religious fanaticism can blow up in your face when
44:15everything this person you've chosen to be the Messiah does is seen through the prison that that'swhat's supposed to happen rather than having doubts about this person. And you can't have doubtswhen you're a religious fanatic because that questions your entire makeup as a person and yourconstruct. And so a lot of people refuse to question these things and just go along with it.So I like that that was a kind of a subtle undercurrent playing all of it. So when we got to thatfinale you're like oh fuck yeah and how everybody it was actually very funny in this movie too yes yeslike so there's a lot of stuff with with the prophecy itself and just like you know as written aswritten as written as he's so humble he's so humble it was it was yeah it's like of course of course
44:55he would say that of course you would say and then it's like and everyone else around him going yeahyeah it was so it like you said this is a great commentary on it but like and then zendaya and her friendin the background are they're going to believewhat they want to believe. Right, right.Of course, they're going to matter what, it doesn't matter what they, what they say.And it's like, it was such a great commentary in general, and just to watch how that allplayed out. And I just, it just goes back to what Shalame does, though, man, because he doesn't,he does not want to go. He doesn't want to go. He knows what's going to happen. As long as he
45:26stays there, right, but they, that's when fade comes in, they push him out. It's like,they push him to his destiny. And it's like, you know, it's so funny when you look back.at it whereas I fabe would just would have stayed and like no then the emperor brother probablystayed in power right but pushed them out and that's uh and that's ultimately the way it went downbut like i that's there's so many different moments i just want to go back and watch me even when theyshowed so when winston and i went to see dune the original in the theater in i max i had neverseen it in the theater so i went and saw it in the theater about a month two months ago wheneverit was they actually showed um the scene when paul learns to ride the worm oh yeah that's a
46:08Great scene, man.Great scene.And it was also a good time for me this time when I had to pay to run out because I had already seen it.But I got back fast now.But either way, that scene, they showed that, which is also going to allow me to talk about the sound in this movie.Oh, yeah.I've been listening to the score on loop.The music in this is just Hans Zimmer.
46:34You're talking about magicians with Dini.I mean, Hans Zimmer, it's just like, you can, as a composer, you can run into the same problem of, well, that's essentially what you did for this, your last five movies.It sounds exactly the same.He made it seem so linked into Dune and that world, like, you know, whether it was that woman, the, ha, yeah.And then the other stuff that they do throughout, like this is some really soft music.It's just great.I 100% agree with you.And I know people might have said about this, but people need to start talking about him in the same breath as John Williams.
47:18I mean, if you're not doing that already, Hans has made just as many memorable scores for just as many memorable movies as John has.And I think that it's no disrespect.John is 91.John's been doing so many things.People still want him to do more scores.I totally respect it.but Hans has been doing incredible stuff.He's the guy right now.
47:39He's the guy right now.Yeah.Him and Giacino are the one too right now.And I think they're incredible.And of course, the guy who did Joker is coming in.Ludwig's starting to make some moves.Yeah, yeah, yeah, fair points.So, you know, I'm just saying Hans is, he's always delivering.
47:54I've never not liked any of his scores for anything he's ever done.Yeah.And I like that he understands the assignment for these epic, massive type of movies.But he can bring both the subtle stuff,but also the massive stuff over the top.And so I love that.To me, those two are the top two right now in the history of film, in my opinion.I know there's Edward, sorry, whatever, in the past there.
48:15But like, for me, those two are the guys.There's tons of people that we could talk about.It could be a full tour of shows on that.But so I think that's the majority of stuff that we wanted to cover for John and I,because there's a lot of chats that you guys have in there about Dune.So we're not going to be done talking about Dune by a long shot.But that's the majority of stuff that we wanted to.to discuss and I'm sure if we did miss things like I said throw in your questions
48:38I saw a bunch of the super chats coming in we're gonna we're gonna answer all of them soif you have questions about doing there's things you wanted to hear us talk about that we didn'tget to throw it in there and then some other stuff and speaking of some other news thatdropped I wanted to talk about this thing Paul Dano um with that he's talking aboutsuperhero fatigue right and that seems to be like anybody who's in a superhero moviepeople ask us that question right and so I think he had a great answer I loveVarious people have weighed in on, this is Dark Horizons, by the way,various people have weighed in on the issue of superhero fatigue,
49:08with Chris Evans, the most recent one,giving his brief take on the difficulty of doing a good comic adaptation.Recently, Paul Dano, who portrayed the Ridler,was asked by the Independent about his take.He seems to acknowledge that it is real and something of a welcome wake-up callto the industry, but is hopeful someone will come along and give the genre new life.So listen to this quote.Okay.
49:27It's an interesting moment where everybody has to go like,Okay, what now? Hopefully from that, somebody either breathes new life into comic book movies or something else blossoms, which is not superheroes. I'm sure there will be some good ones yet to come, but I think it's kind of a welcome moment. He has the issue with superhero films is part of a larger industry wide hole. He said it's a larger thing. As soon as the word content came into what we do, making movies or TV, it meant quantity over quality, which I think was a misstep. And I certainly don't need that as a viewer.or an artist. Dano adds that he sees the Batman as one of those real films, and it's all abouthaving a great script. There are enough comic book movies where you just know what you're going to get.Reading the script for the Batman, you knew it was a real film. Every sentence, that's just Matt Reeves.He's been echoing a lot of stuff that we say on this show, and I agree with it 100%. It's about quality,and he's also very smart to then go, well, yeah, but look, the thing that I'm doing is great.Yeah, exactly.
50:30as he as he should, the thing that I did.But, but yeah, it's, it's, he's, I think he's 100% right.I think he's 100% right.It's just, it's in a, like anything, like Westerns were in a, we're in a thing,and horror was in a thing, and sci-fi was in a thing.Everything gets itself into a thing.The question is, how can you maneuver out of it?And he's so right.
50:52That's one of my biggest complaints is when I see a comic movie, I'm like,here we go, the paint by numbers thing, and what's going to happen,how it's going to go, they're going to over CGI this,it's going to be a big,popcorn go look at the big things blowing up and he just get bored with you numb of it umloved his comments on yeah i thought it was 100% right and uh i i agree now i do want to destroy thefallacy here that quality over quantity people are that that implies less movies because just becausewe get less doesn't mean we'll get better it's not correlative in that way shape where even if you
51:22take all this time to make a movie it doesn't necessarily mean the movie's going to turn out to begreat but quality he regardless of quantity yeah i thinkis a much more important point of view to have.Agreed.And I agree with what he's saying.Like, we need to take a moment,or the creatives rather need to take a momentand take a look and see,
51:39okay, what is the public want?What is the public pining for?But also, it doesn't helpwhen legitimately bad superhero movies come outand people create these false narrativesabout why they failed or didn't do wellat the box office.And that just gives creatives
51:58who have a lesser approach to qualitymore validity to go to the medium level,to go to the lesser than leveland think they don't have to work as hard for itbecause people are going to come out and patronize it.And I think that's the dangerous part of it as wellwhen you're looking at superhero fatigue.If people keep telling you every superhero film
52:16that comes out is great,then that's going to lead to the fatiguebecause that's not fucking realistic.Yeah, yeah.All right, so you guys, put your comments in there,tell us what you think about that particular comment by Dano.What do you think?And whether you're watching live or whether you're watching on the replay, put your thoughts in there.
52:32And then I think lastly, the one that I definitely want to talk about here, this is an interesting story here.And they said that, did you hear about this?I did over the weekend, yes.So they're saying that Depp is wanted back for the next Pirates.A new report at Daniel R.P.K indicates that Disney is very interested in having Johnny Depp back as Captain Sparrow for a six film in the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise.One key part of the report, however, says that Deft's involvement will be in a supporting role and not the main lead.If true, it marks a shift at Disney who stayed away from Depp in recent years after firing him from the franchise.Depp hasn't expressed much interest in returning to a role and vowed never to work with Disney again after them.
53:12Then again, sorry.Then producer Jerry Bruckheimer surprised everyone in late 2022 telling the franchise that he was, I can't talk right now,telling the associate pressed he was working on a potential debt return to the franchise that wasfollowed by news of Chernobyl and the last of us show creator craig mason masoncoming in on board to write the original pirates franchise with ted elliott mason teases thepitch they gave to disney was the one they thought was just too weird but the studio wanted itdepp hasn't appeared in a major studio film since fantastic beast um this is the right play yeahthis is the right play um and it's the right play for a lot of different reasons i think that if
53:52there are time like look mill gipson's doing stuff right there are a lot of other people that aredoing stuff and it doesn't mean and if you don't like johnny debt it just means don't buy theticket yeah that's what it means um the franchise needs it was built on captain jack sparrowand they tried to put other projects together without them and nobody cared and it would and theythey were they would have had another flop on their hands if they would have went in the directionsthat they were going to go in havingHaving him be in the movie also allows you to say he's back.He's going to have a supporting role.
54:29And then if it goes well, probably going to have another movie with him.Right.If it does well.I think it's a good play.I think it's the smart play.It's the way to build your franchise back if you still want this franchise.Look, read all the articles you want.None of us were in those rooms.
54:48None of us were in those situations.and to me, I look at it as the toxic relationship that went bad for both people.And that's it.And that's what I look at it as.Whatever you want to believe, whatever side you want to believe, that's absolutely your point of view,just as my right to believe what I want to believe or what I think happened to you.And having been in a few toxic relationships, I know that that is something that you'renot proud of, your behavior you're not proud of, and stuff can go wrong because you're pushing
55:14each other's buttons in bad ways.But this situation here with part of the...the Caribbean, he issynonymous with Pirates of the Caribbean.While he's still walking the earth,you've got to put him in it in someway, shape, or form, because peoplelove him as this character.
55:31And you've got to build a quality film around.People are like, Margot Robbie, Margo Robbie,listen, let me show you the box officereturns of the last five Margo Robbiefilms before Barbie. It's not positive.So don't give me this, that people are going to be goingcrazy for Margo Robbie asthis new change in the pirates.
55:47You need him to be anelement of it. I love this idea. I think it's great. Right. Um, and so he made a good point.He's still in the ride and Disney one by the life. Yeah, exactly. Because they know.Because they know. And people look forward to that part of the ride. He's still doing the makea wish stuff. He's still showing up to these to these clinics and dressing up as Johnny Depp to amusethese kids who have cancer. So like, there's a lot here that that character has resonance for.Yeah. I just hope they treat him better than they treated him in D23 a couple of years ago whenthey ushered him off the stage. I was so mad about that. Wasn't that Comic Con? No, no, it was
56:19It's D23. I remember distinctly because he came out eating grapes and whoever was in charge of Disney at the time.Yeah, yeah.It was like, okay, Johnny, that's going. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?You know, as an executive?You think you're more important than this guy?Okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, a lot of things are changing in general.So we'll see if that's the case. How do you guys feel about it?Do you think it's going to be the move? Is it going to happen?
56:39What say you guys? And speaking to what say you guys, you guys put in a ton of questions, man,and speaking of yesterday and all the way through today.So we're going to get to all of them.And before I do, I do want to say, I'm very excited to tell you guys both.Vessi.So, John, I got these new shoes.And they have like, it's like rain wear.It's really, really, it's incredible.
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01:01:34So now it's time to get your questions, guys.You guys have asked a ton of them.We got a lot of them.So here we go.Here we go.So we're going to start with Ryan's Horizon.It says, I love this movie so much.I have been looping the soundtrack all the weekend.
01:01:48I think it's one of Zimmer's best.Yeah, any particular soundtrack moments in the movie that stuck out.I want to get, I will tell you my, the two tracks that I've been listening to the most.Okay.Because I've been, I literally have been just, those are the two.I just keep going back and forth on them.There it is.The beginnings are such, beginnings are such delights, I think it's called.
01:02:08okay no whereas beginnings are such it's just like it's cut off from because it's such a long titlebeginnings are such delicious i don't know what the hell it's called it's beginning i don'tit's beginnings are such something okay yeah what's it come on what is it yeah delicate there you goperfect perfect and then the last one that i like is only i will remain those are the two that i'vebeen listening to a lot have you been listening to them yeah i've been listening to the soundtrack i lovethe soundtrack. I like the musicyou with the warrant when he's riding the worm.Just the way that the
01:02:42the way it increases in terms of speedand getting you into it. And then whenshe's when they're in the temple and they'redoing the things you're doing in the temple, that kind of quietsubtle thing of menaceand hopefulness at the same time.I think it's a fantastic sound cute for me.Would you say this is one of the greatest science fiction
01:02:59movies of all time? Oh, 100%really. It's in the top fiveright now. I got to see it again, but it'sI mean, I know it might berecency bias, but I'm, I'm going to be with you there.I think what they've done with it is just, it's,it's like, it's just one of those experiences that I,yeah, it was, it was a powerful, powerful, powerful experience watching it.
01:03:23Okay, Ralph, here he is.Corsner, Sicario, rival, Blade Runner, 249,Dune 1 and 2, Denny has entered Scorsese, Nolan, and Tarantino,level for me, Longo Cinema.Yeah, he's, he's in, he's in the, this, this is,furthered his is greatness.This has furthered his greatness.Yeah, I mean, we had a fun time on the recent episode of the Hot Mike.
01:03:42Jeff and I doing our De Neville and Weva Oscar segment.And so we're giving out best picture, best actor, best director,but all of us.And there's so many phenomenal films, although it's still early in his career,which is kind of crazy to think about how we're still early in his career.He's had some incredible bangers over the last 10 to 15 years.And even the smallest of like Emmett and his French stuff,which I haven't even seen yet.
01:04:06Right.And everybody says is phenomenal.So I've got to watch those as well.Well, you know what is about him though, too?Is that there are, as we've mentioned many times over it, when we were growing up,there was the movie star that would sell the ticket.You didn't matter.Like if Tom Cruise had a movie, Tom Cruise, you didn't know what the movie was.
01:04:20A new Tom Cruise movie, new Will Smith movie.Now that's the thing with like Nolan.I think he is now, like, you and myself and film fanatics were already like that with Deney,but like, but now he's crossing into after this movie.it's like well that guy that directed dune is doing a new movie all right yeah yeah yeah go see i'll go seethat he's he's entered that territory in the same way that nolan and and those guys have too soyeah um yeah absolutely and ralph follows it up why should i anticipate anything from lucas filmwhen i have dene and dune the prequel sequels and de plus look like child made i'm like dude well
01:04:57here's the difference the thing is what i think that star wars it needs a shift in how they do thingsbut you got to understand that Star Wars does have a component where it is me.It's a kid's thing too.It really is.And they can't go away from that totally.But they have so much of it that they should do both.And Andor was a shift in that.But from what I believe, I believe a lot of people in the creative side of it don't believe in Andor over there.
01:05:31And I think that that's a mistake.And I think they want to go more into the.the faster, stronger, more intense type stuff.And I think that this proves that you can do both.And I think that Star Wars does need something like this.And it needs something that's not going to hold too close to a philosophy that has changed.So I think it can still work.I also think you don't need to shit on Star Wars.
01:05:54I don't mean you.I mean, people are commenting on this.Like, why the fuck do I need?Like, no, don't you don't have to shit on Star Wars to enjoy doing.That's what I'm getting at.And it's two different.You're serving two different masters.Star Wars is completely different, as Christian said.
01:06:06You have to cater to the younger element.You have to cater to that because that's in the lifeblood and foundation of Star Wars.That is not the case with Dune.It's a completely different, much more mature approach to a sci-fi story.So they're serving different masters than Star Wars does.So you can't compare those two.You might compare quality.That's fair, but not intention.
01:06:25It's two different things.Yeah, I mean, but I think there's ways to change it up to where you can do something like this,but you don't have to do everything.See, Dune has the...Dune's one story inside of it,they're not doing a bunch of different errors and everything.They will.They're going to do the thing with the...
01:06:39Wake me up, obviously the Harkening series on Disney Plus or something.All that's a bit of the Harkins are probably pretty dark,but they've set up their initial thing where everything can be dark and more mature,where that's what the world of Dune will be.Star Wars can't do that.It's got to go into different things,but I think that you could do a series like this.You could do it and not be so scared of all.
01:07:00We need to sell toys.and I think that's a problem with that they're never going to get past.It's called it.ZB says young fans growing to old fans.You're right.And guess what happens to the young fans who become older fans?Young fans replace your ass as the young fans while you become older fans.That's the circle of life, my guy.
01:07:15And for a franchise to stay alive, they have to cater to both sides when they've been catering to both sides from the beginning.Well, we're sticking in the Star Wars conversation because Billy Atwood says, who's somebody you guys wish could write a Star Wars show?Me being such a big breaking bad, better call Saul fan.I'd love to see what Vince Gilligan could do, not to mention he wrote for X-Files as well.I mean, yeah, I mean, listen, if they said that Yelman was going to do a Star Wars show,I'd be down.I mean, I'd be down, of course.But I would have the same concern.
01:07:44Is they going to let them, are they going to let him do his thing?Like, speaking of Roadhouse, like Roadhouse, when the guy walks into Tell Dalton, he's like,I want you to clean my bar.He's like, I do it my way.I run the show.Like, that's what I want to.you got to give the the the the the the the the dalton treatment you can't say oh yeah but we needyou to do this no you got to let him do what what what's his face did uh Tony uh yeah exactly
01:08:10if you let him do that then yeah of course I think it would be a great a great choice so I meanI'm just going to steal your your suggestion and say I'd love to see that um but I I think my Ithink where I land with it right now is I really want to see um Disney sell Lucasville I don'twon't happen but I really I just don't think that I don't I don't think it's working I don'tthink it's working I don't think that I know and I and I'd like to say I think it needs newleadership I need whether it goes to Apple or whatever it means I think it I think the whole thingneeds a facelift you know I'm still going to watch and and hope and fingers but I don'tthink it's going to really get to the full potential of it could until they sell it and
01:08:48just re-gut the whole thing I don't think anyone's selling anything until it starts losing moneyagreed because they keep making the money you know what I'm so that's thetruth of the situation. I'd love to see Craig Armstrong from Succession get a shot at writingsome Star Wars top. That would be super interesting to see for me personally. Let's see. Next one.Ralph, good Ralph. Dune is the new braveheart for me. The scene of Paul and Chani talking on thesand, Dune, enemy of Wallace and Murren talking to Hill. Absolutely. It's got those moments for sure.Yeah, it's like, it's like anything else. It's got the, it is a big scale, epic.film and it does carry the weight of like what Braveheart does for sure 100% yeah um okay
01:09:33richard be gimmons what direction do you see dune messiah taking where does paul's storyultimate go i i have not i've i've taken my temptations and i put them to the side becausei keep going oh what happens in messiah i'm like i don't want to know yeah i don't want to knowi didn't know what happened in dune and i was better off on it i don't want to know because it yeahI just, I assume he's the bad guy now.I would assume.And, and how are they going to, and it's him running as the emperor because there's more booksafterwards.
01:10:03His children of June.Now, the question is how, when is Deney going to do the third one if he's going?I think that they're going to be, Warner Brothers is going to be pounding on his door now of like,you've, you've got to do the third one.I'm, it's going to be real curious, Christian, because we're in a time now where if youtalk shit about the white male, people get super fucking upset.And if you take Paul down this path that I, from what I understand he takes in the books,it could be a commentary on, you know, coming to power and what you do with that power and how
01:10:34you inflict that power on other people and on people who supported you getting into power.So it's going to be interesting how they walk that line to tell this story because he becomes,you know, not necessarily a good guy.So will that happen in this story or will they play the game like they did with the Chanicharacter?Right.Will they play it where they adjust some of the intentions, adjust some of the role,so that he learns the lessons of why his power goes too far and what he can take from that.
01:11:00And of course, Sonia Taylor Joy's role in all of this as well.We didn't even talk about her, right?I mean, it's such a minor role, but it's such a powerful role.Because the whole thing with her talking to her mother the whole time,how much like of a role she's going to have to play and how much longer.I don't even know, Messiah, I don't know the timeline or how long it is after the second one.I have no idea.I think it's 100, but I don't know.
01:11:24I don't think, I think that's children of June.That's 100.Oh, yeah, right.Yes.I think Messiah is closer to the timeline.Okay.And I could be wrong, but that's what I believe.McKenna box,
01:11:34do you believe that the emperor did not come off as powerful as he could have?He definitely was calculated,but I felt like demonstrating his power would have made the Fremen victory more impactful.Well, I think that he did demonstrate his power without seeing him.I think in that,he took the Harkinin'n in off of that plan.it to get him so furious and get him so pissed off and he set arcadies he sent uh the theatreides up to fail yeah he set him up to fail and i think that whole structure in general to all
01:12:04of that and built that ultimately creating his own demise without realizing it but by doing i think thatwas all calculated i think his personality per se when you saw him not as much and he's a littlecowering at the end of it but i think everything he did leading up to it was pretty calculated andand menacing.Yeah, I agreed, agreed.By the way, Messiah is 12 to 15 years after.Yeah, so not too far away.Mike Joyce.
01:12:32You know, real quick, before I bring that,you said 12 to 15 years.That gives Deni a little bit of time also.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.He can say, he doesn't need to rush because,you know, maybe you want Shalemae to get a little older,you know.You want him to get a little older.
01:12:47Was it a boyhood film?He's going to wait until he gets older now.No, but I mean,But seriously, like, look at, like, Daisy Ridley.There's another one, like, she's got that,when she comes back now as the wiser Jedi,I mean, it's going to be like almost 10 years since the last time we saw her.So you believe it a little bit more, as opposed to they would have done it two years.
01:13:05And she's supposed to be like, it's 10 or 15 years later.Right, right.Okay.So Mike Joyce, the scale of death and destruction the Holy War brings seems cartoonishly evil absurd to me.You think that Dini would scale it back?Oh, that's from the, I guess that's from the, from the new one?I can't speak on it because I don't know.I mean, all I'd say at this point, in the same way I say about James Cameron,
01:13:28trust in Denise.Trust and Denise.I agree.Right.Yeah.I don't know what this means.Do you prefer sheets, Lizzie's a Wawa.Is that something that would, are we?
01:13:36I think that's a, wawa is like one of those, um, uh, convenience stores, like an A&PM,all three of them.I don't know any one.I don't know anyone.Do you know any of them?I know, I know the Wawa.I don't know the other.There's John's answer.
01:13:49It's been a while since I.in the East Coast.Shea Markell. What's up, Shea?Shout out to Kristen, the Big Dog Roka.Saw Dune as a family outing this weekend.You guys were right.Outstanding film from prisoners to Sicario and now Dune toTop Dog Deney is my favorite director.
01:14:03I think a lot of people are going to be saying that and rightfully so.He's a baller, man.He really is.I mean, I can't wait.I'm excited to see it again.I'm excited to see it again.It's a three-hour movie.It's hard for me to want to go see a three-hour movie, but I'm like, I'm mad at myself
01:14:18that I haven't seen it for a second time already.Mike Joyce again, Christian, you got to see it again in a real IMAX screen.I know I will.I saw D2 in a real IMAX and again in an IMAX light theater and was far less impressive.Yeah, I will.I'm going to.I'm probably going to have to go to the Burbank one to go see it.Yeah.
01:14:35Or Universal Studios, right?Either one.I still got to drive to do it because the one near me is it's fake.It's fake IMAX.You saw it in real IMAX?I saw it in real Imax for the screening.Yeah, it was great down here in Burbank.I mean, same to you.
01:14:49They didn't show.They showed it a real big screen on the Warner Bros.They don't have IMAX.Armada,crossing my fingers for Dune,part one and two extended editions.He said they're not going to do it.Yeah.
01:15:01And he already said it because it was,what's the guy's name is Timothy Blake?Is that his name?The guy from Incredible Hulk.Oh, Tim Blake Nelson.Yes,Timne Nelson.He had a scene in June that got cut.
01:15:12And then he was like,I don't think that they're showing,they're going to do extended.But I didn't hear there's a lot of cut scenes from part one.I wish we got more action and more time with Paul after transformation in part two.To each their own, I think the pacing was just perfect.I really do.I think it's about as close to a perfect movie as you're going to get from one and two together.
01:15:30Yeah.My only dings in my review was that I wish we had more.And that's the thing about positivity.That's a positive.Yeah.Shea Markell again.I got to pay homage to Mr.Greg Fraser.
01:15:40Dude has had a hell of a run since 2021.The creator, the Batman of both dunes.He's, he really, it's, you know you're doing somethingright when you're walking out and you hear people going, who shot that, Deacons?Yeah.Like it's in you like, no, it wasn't Deacons.It was Fraser, but that's a compliment.Yeah.
01:15:58If people are confusing your work for Deacons, you're doing something right.100%.Invite Dennis Zen on.I love to have Dennis on.Dennis is my boy.I love Dennis.Dennis is very busy and it's hard for Dennis to get over here.He's making his own films.
01:16:11Yeah.Yeah, I can ask Dennis though, for sure.I love Dennis.Dennis is one of my favorite people in the world.He's a great guy.Armada, new Dune, free Rome,is being showcased today.That's awesome.
01:16:21But this gets me more excited, too, for that series about the Benny Jesuit.Yeah, yeah.I can't wait to see that.And that's like a thousand years before part one or something.Like that's like the setup to the whole thing.Yeah.Simon section.What's up, Simon?
01:16:35Saw Dune Part 2 really liked it.I wouldn't say it's the Empire Strikes Back of the Dune series,more of a fitting conclusion of part one.It's fair.And what I'm hearing are my Dune Messiah.Quote Luke in The Last Jedi, this is not going to go the way you think.Yeah.Do you know how much do you know about Messiah?
01:16:50I know that he turns...Oh, no, no, no, no, but...Okay, okay.You ask me the question.Here's what I'm just saying, how much do you know about it?Oh, sorry, sorry, for good point.Not what do you know, right?No.
01:16:59I know enough to understand what happens to his story and to wonder how Denise's going to make that work.That's what else is like.Okay.All right.So, Armada, so the rumor is true that Dune Prophecy is a mess.Um, June prophecy.That's, that's the, that's my movie.That's my movie.
01:17:16hope we all know we all know you like to make up movies as we saw on movie fights once upon atime got a long time i hope warner brothers makes more dune shows despite the rumors by the way christiandidn't tell us i was that he was in shogun is there someone that looks like me in shogun i guessthey're trying to say cosmo jarvis looks like you the main guy the main white dude oh really ihaven't seen the movie yet i don't i haven't seen it i'm gonna watch it's it's been every timei turn every time i go to turn on someone walks in my living room goes what do you watch i'llwatch something else i can't do itEvery time.
01:17:48Next one.Simon's section.I appreciate the scene where Paul volunteered to carrynear his body to the Freeman Barreligan.That was awesome.That was awesome.Also appeared that Jamitz was helping Paul in the afterlife.Yeah, did he become Dunes Obi-Wy-W-W-W-W-W-E-W-W.
01:18:03Yeah, that was great.And especially even when you go back and watch the beginning,the opening section of when Zendai is in part one,about everything that's gone down.zombies is the one who's he's you see him front and centerat the at the harkening yeah yeah you know even in the and thethey say harkin and wrong in um in the dune 84 they call him harconansso the whole time that the harkonins they call it i mean i don't know maybe maybe it is
01:18:34that type pronounced i don't know maybe maybe denise ain't wrong i have no idea i don'tknow mike joyce the beginning of dune two emphasizes the importance of the frementaking water from the dead and by the end of the film their burning bodiesYeah, I think that, I mean, they did show, is that, but I think there was, you remember that the whole thing gets blown up at the end.Well, the understanding is that they took the water from the bodies before they burnt them.Right.And so that's the understanding there.Because they showed you that scene earlier.
01:19:02They've already done it.Yeah.It's been already done it.Yeah.Carlton Rudder, Coppola, Scrazi, Spielberg, and Lucas for legendary 70s directors.When history looks back at 2024, who will be seen as the legendary directors?I mean, Nolan.Sure.
01:19:17I think Denise's going to be in there.Yeah.Let's see, who directed Madam Webb?No, I'm just kidding.I mean, you're jumping because you're,Legendary 70s.I mean, I would throw in Ridley, right?Because Ridley came in through the 80s and 90s.
01:19:30Ridley Scott's a legendary director 100%.Tarantino would be seen as a legendary directorwhen we're looking at that.Tarantino for sure.And then, yeah, I thinkyou have to keep going.Yeah, I have to keep looking to see.That's, Greta Gerwick might get in that.
01:19:44mix, seeing how she doesin the next few films. She's got too, I mean,she's a really good director, but legendarystatus, she's not there yet.Legendary? Isn't she a legendarydirector? She's done two? Do you thinkany of those four directors would have beenable to do what she did with Barbie? I mean, I didn't see
01:20:00she wasn't talented. I knowyou're not. But I'm saying she's legendaryin a different way. And I'm thinkingwe're talking about overall, doesshe have the potential? Sure.Absolutely.The Lady Bird, Little Women, and Barbie?That's a hell of the lineup to start off.
01:20:16But dude, it's like, let's go to, let's talk about wrestling.Sure.If somebody who's coming at this, would you, like, what Logan Paul has done so far in wrestling has been,we both agree, incredible.Would you call him legendary right now?No.He's had some great matches.He's had some matches that people could not pulled off in no way been able, the way he picks
01:20:37up things so fast, matches that he's had already at a young career.Yeah, yeah, yeah.But I don't think that's a great comparison.I think she's Charlotte Flare or Sasha Banks or Becky Lynch.That's what I think of Garewig right now.They've had longer careers.I think I don't think her career is long enough.I think she is potential.
01:20:56I think she has, if she does another movie the way that she like hit after hit after hit,then she's going to put herself in that position.But I think it's too young in the same way that I think Jordan Peel is fantastic.The question is who are we going to look back on?And I think, I feel like Gerwig and, yeah, Jordan Peel, those are two directors.I think when we're back by the time they're done with their careers, we will consider them legendary.Okay, but wait a minute.So, Shama on, where would you put, would you put Shama on as last?
01:21:22Too many misses.Right.Yes.Because Shaman, but, but however, if I, wait a minute, by your, by your standard, what you're saying right now, if I wouldhave asked you that question in 2001, then you would have probably said, no, he's going to be legendary.No, because I didn't like Unbreakable.And I thought the village was, I didn't like Unbreakable initially.right.
01:21:43So later on,I liked Unbreakablewhen I understoodwhat it was years later.People were tellingthe guy in next Spielbergand at that pointand then he had
01:21:52so all it takesis a couple of missesfor growing peelpeople goon or no.I don't think it's coming.I think that they bothhave really good instincts
01:22:03and I think likeI really love little women.I thought it was greatand I love Lady Birdand I appreciate what Barbielike as a filmwhat she accomplished.It just wasn't
01:22:13for me but like I think that the she she is going to be a legendary filmmaker today standardswhen it comes to like events because of what she did but the overall like legacy I don't know yet I don'tknow um Jordan's already had some issues with us and nope so true he's not necessarily a surethat's what I mean yeah Akuma Rex saw it an IMAX yesterday sat in my seat in awe the creditfull same masterpiece can't wait to watch parts one and two I audibly went wow Iwhen I was yeah for sure uh Felix watching an iMac 70 millimeter was an amazing experiencei am jealous of that i got i got to check that out right mad sinister McCall great show isalways Harloff have you ever walked out of a movie because it's stunk yeah also what jump scare
01:23:02has gotten you best in the theater there's a I don't I have to make it public again I'mgonna start making some of the old schmo's reviews public again but there's a the sex in the citytwo review um i was a part it was part yes part two was the shitty one yes part two um ellis and i walkedout of that one um it was like it was my one of my favorite stories ever i was watching it andhold on a second yeah i think solder we'll get to that let me just do something here umjust film me see john do you take talk about your experience real quick as i send this textHold on.Okay, sure.
01:23:38I walked out of a moviebecause it stunk.Yes,I've walked out of a few of them.I've never finishedBatman and Robin to this day.After they have the motorcycle scenewith Alicia Silverstone,
01:23:48I'm like,this is fucking stupid.And I walked out.And I've never gone back.I've never watched it.I've thought about doing a quote-unquotefirst time watchingof that movie on the channel,
01:23:57but haven't done it.I walked out of Turner and Hooch.I thought that was terrible.I would have walked out of the Snowman,the Fastbender film.If it wasn't for a review,we were doing a collider.I was dying watching
01:24:08that movie. And jump scares, I would say, I've had a couple of jump scares in the theater thathave stayed with me, certainly in it when that scene with the projector in the garage when hestarts to get big, I fucking jump to the top of the ceiling of the theater in that sequence therewith a jump scare. That scared the living hell out of me. Glenn Close, popping back up and fatalattraction scared the shit out of it. So yeah, those are the jumps. The Ellis and I, for the sex and thesay anything. There's a jump scare one I can't think of right now. But when I was, we were thereand we were up on this balcony and we're watching it. And Ellis like left to go to the bathroom orsomething too. And I was okay. And then I don't know where he was. And I don't ever check my phone in the
01:24:52theaters, but like, I'm like, where is this guy? And I look. And all it says is get out of there.Get out of there. Get out of there. Right. And I like that. That was it. Okay. So let's see. Next,next one here. Thank you for that one too. It was a good.memory of yes boy roka thanks for preaching shogun i'm hooked yeah i got to see it i got to watchi'm new episode tonight bro so what is is it three total or two total right now three would be the onetonight yes okay all right i'll watch them maderf uh don't you think they ruined the danger of the sandwormsfrom part one they're almost treated as pets i mean no because no because of the way that theyit shows you how it tells you in the first movie that the fremen have learned to adapt with them
01:25:36Yeah. And it just shows you that and it shows you more so of what like they're they'reterrifying and they they they'll they eat everybody and they use them as weapons. So no, I didn'tI didn't I didn't I think that the danger was there. They just learned how to controlthem. It's all about perception. The native cultures understand the animals of the land and how tocall upon them in certain situations. That's what you see there. But from the outside, they'restill terrifying as they suck up all the bodies. So yeah, I think they kept the dread for sure.Okay, great. Let's go tothis one the action is the juice great film good with the changes and dene gets the theme struggling
01:26:12to understand the alya choice one part of the lynch film people like is her why not havepsycho baby did twilight ruin it i don't know enough about it i think that maybe that maybeshe does more in the in the book does she actually gets born i don't i don't know enough about itbecause the alia's choice maybe she maybe she is born already at that point i don't know yeahnot sure so i i can't answer that one as much because i don't know enough about what actuallyhappens with her i only know that what i saw in the movie i think we won't be able to put it in contexttill we see messiah so yeah uh mesbby hello christian eroka do you think it was right or okayto help the frame and gain their freedom given their jihad causes billions of deaths um i mean it's
01:26:52tough to say it's tough to say and how i i think it was i think that that's what the choices areyou're going to have to struggle with at the end of what paul does in general because you're notnecessarily supposed to be like yay did it because in the way that he does it in general so i think you'remost to struggle with a ton of choices that are made throughout the entire film.Yeah, and I think it's the way this film portrays the Harkinanin, you don't care thatthere are billions of deaths with the Harkinin because they seem to be the representatives of theharcinen seem to be very ruthless and a murderous group of people.So, and treasonous, a group of people and traitorous.
01:27:24So their deaths don't necessarily mean that much when you're watching.Plus, it's fiction.It's not real.Right.Miguel Zion.The Lassendaya look was like Kay's last glance at him and the Godfather.one yeah then paul's intention to wipe outeveryone is michael corleone ask
01:27:40yeah i mean there's definitely those someonesaid that it does it has that godfatherkind of feel to it doesn't it yeahyeah especially yeah it reallydoes when you look at whathow he's michael yeah for sureyeah yeah yeah shit i mean more you more you think about itGabe olivera a little overhyped
01:27:58with the same pacing the one it's sometimesfelt like i was watching the matrixbut this came firstso my wife said the other day wife was likeShe's like, oh, it's just like Star Wars.I'm like, this came first.This was before the Matrix.It was before Star Wars.
01:28:13It was before anything.A lot of the stuff they got from Frank Herbert.This came first.So it was in, yeah, it does, I didn't, I'm going to give you a big strong disagree, Gabe.Overhype, no, pacing was fantastic.I dug the one element of it.Three hours felt like four.I wish it was six.
01:28:34And also odd edits.couldn't disagree more. But hey,to eat your own. Yeah. And, and,you know, you've got to do a little bit of workon your end if you're going to bereviewing or commenting on these films, putthem in context. You know, you've got to know, when did thesource material come out? And you know, you can't
01:28:49change the source material fully, becausethen it becomes the matter of you're not reallyactually adapting the book. You're changing it completely.Right. Okay,next one. Mad, Sinister McAll,you can make any movie that you want.What do you make and want? I wouldmake an Avengers-like movie with horror icons
01:29:05to make them battle an action-start team.Well, I would make science fiction fantasy movie for sure.I mean, there's definitely ideas and things that I had with,with kind of built off the ideas of what we did,ultimately did with the He-Man thing that we had done,but there's other things that Riley and I had come up withand some other kind of comic book that I came up with years agothat I'd like to try. Yeah.
01:29:25Yeah.You?Revenge.High-end revenge film.That's what I would do.Something like, you know,it's just a revenge film that has a higher approaching quality to it.uh okay Chris minor June part two was fantastic and better than the first would you guys think of the rocks IG and smackdown promos I'm expecting end game portals to help out uh Cody in the night to main event I mean somebody people are thinking that uh that dust that Dustin might come out right maybe there's rumors about it for yeah which would make sense um the promo so the long one I didn't watch all of it but like it was on his Instagram so it's like yeah broker wrote me also he's like who's gonna watch this was like if you follow him on his Instagram he's like if you follow him on his Instagram he's like if you follow him on his Instagram he's
01:30:05then you're going to then you're going to follow us that you didn't put it on smackdown but then on smackdown he did the 45 minutes it was like 31 minutes it was insane it was fantastic and it's told the story in the way he interweaved and the stuff that he was saying of the crowd was so old school to really try to convince you that he wasn't going heal and what did i tell you i told you that night one they were going to do a team's match with uh with with with the two with all four of them and that's exactly what's going to happen and now i do think that they're going to beat codyand Seth, and I think that the bloodline rules are going to happen.What do you mean? Do you think bloodline's going to be in-Oh, I see, to set up the final fight? Yes, yes, yes, yes.Yeah, I think all, everything happens. So, yeah, yeah, yeah.21 minutes, ain't nobody got time for a 21-minute promo.Listen, here's the deal. I liked the 31-minute stuff on Smackdown so much better than thepromo, because I don't know. I love the rock. And I, you know, Chris likes to call me a
01:31:01turncoat with what I've done recently, but I'm kind of gotten a little sick ofthe act a little bit, but when he's working with the bloodline, it's much better.I mean, when Roman stopped him from saying, if you smell, I've never seen that in 20-someyears of watching the rock to see that happen or 30-some years watching the rock, that was a perfectmoment.Well, yeah, and when he acknowledges him, he takes off his glasses.It was great.And already this pruder thing, people are like, well, look at his thumb.
01:31:26He didn't go all the way up.Yeah, that's perfect.Yeah, so good.And then, yeah, and night two will be pretty incredible.So Carlton Rudder, Dune 2 is a cinematic masterpiece.There's nothing that Disney has done with Star Wars to rival or even come close to is an incredible movie.Again, I got to kind of couple with what John said where it's like you can't, you can't compare me.And I will agree with you that I think that Star Wars needs a massive change.
01:31:52But I will tell you that I think that the closest that they got was with Andor, but they're also doing that on television.So it's hard.I will agree with you that I don't think they've hit anything in scale to the movies yet or as much of investment to where I haven't been.transported to the world of Star Wars the way I wanted to be the way that I was in June.I agree with that.But I do think that they, like I said, I think that Star Wars needs a lot of change.I hate when people go, well, Star Wars is dead.It's not dead because even if it was, even if it was put to rest for 20 years, that
01:32:24means someone can go, hey, let's try Star Wars again.And it could work.So it's like, it's not dead.But I think that it's in trouble.And I think that it needs, I think it needs a facelift.Fair enough.Yeah.Okay, next.
01:32:37Yeah, I think Rogue One is on, yeah.Yeah.Rogan's pretty damn good.Yeah.Simon section, off topic.Christian, I'm halfway through Severance and I'm lost.And I missed my flight to Hawaii.John Shogun, that first app, no spoilers,
01:32:51that guy who was waiting while I hope he gets his karma,Black Rain, Old Boyst style, I don't care as long as it's slow.So you're, you're, oh, he's capitaling lost.Yeah.on purpose because I agree it does feel like lost once you finish the whole series though you'llfirst of all Simon thank you for that wonderful super chess very very kind of you um that's that'shilarious the what he did there he when you read into it he's lost and missed my flight to hawaiokay john shogun that first episode no spoiler is a guy yes i got to i got to see i got to see this
01:33:23got to see he was he's going he's going to be an interesting character keep going through the seriesi can't wait yeah i cannot wait so paul haman is the first announcedinductee to 2024 Hall of Fame.He's still working.It's such a crazy thing, man.I don't understand how that works. He still work.He's still working.He's ending the bloodline. He's going to retire.
01:33:42I don't know. He won't retire.He'll never retire.He can't. He's one of those guys.He's got, he's going to be like nine years old and his pass her out in the ring.Yeah, but I worry about him. Dude, have you seen it?He's putting on a lot of weight, man.I'm scared. Like, the heart attack thing is not far away.I know.
01:33:59He'll get older like that.Paul's like, Paul's is one of the guys that was very.He was very good to me there.Oh, that's good.I still keep in touch with him because he was very good to me.So I wish nothing but the best for Paul.Agreed.Tim Simp, given how well-received critically and financially, Dune 2 is,
01:34:17where do you hope to see Dune go in the future from adapting Dune Messiahto maybe setting up a new big IP franchise properly?Well, look, I want to see how that series goes.And I want to see if they do the series right.And I want to see if you care about a thousand years beforehand.Yeah.And then, you know, look, Dini has to do part three.If anybody else does it, I'm going to be bumped.
01:34:38Yeah.Gonna be bumped.So that's really, and what I want to see, Tim, is them not do what other franchises have done.And that jump the gun and start announcing 87 properties.It's like, oh, we're going to do Dune, 56, 7, 8, 9, 10.We're going to have Dune the new series.We're going to have Dune this.We're going to make a couple more series on HBO Max.
01:34:59It's like, no.Just focus on the series that you have right now, the Benny Jesuit,because that was announced already.And then when Deni does announce three, everyone will lose their minds.If Avatar can wait almost 13 years, whatever the hell it was,before it came out again and did box office numbers like it did,Dune can do the same thing.Yeah, I agree.
01:35:22Don't rush it.Or we'll be saying the same thing about Dune that we're saying about Star Wars.Yeah, it's true.Shane Arcan, nobody stops Vader from,force choking people.The outlet, John Roads.Good quote.UFC 810
01:35:37puts in a nice little...Matt Sarah also saw it,loved it.Yeah, talked to him over the weekend.Nathan winning. I wouldn'tsay Paul is bad. He's doing what he hasto do. I mean,yes, but it doesn't
01:35:51mean that doing what he has to do wasn't a choicethat ultimately he's becoming the thing that he didn'twant to be. The Holy War will happen regardless.He's following his path that leads to less suffering.I don't disagree with that, butdoesn't mean that he's not going to be, you know, he's, he's ruling with power.He's ruling with fear now.That's like there are, there's the choices that he had to do to get it done,
01:36:10but I think he broke bad.I do.You sounded like, this guy sounded like, um, that Javier Bardonn in the movie.Ball happened.Right.He was, you know, he was supposed to.He was supposed to.Tim Simmigan.
01:36:19Also with the Oscars coming up this weekend, all the, of all the Oppenheimer nominations,which nomination do you see as most likely to be upset by another film?Well, not director.He's going to get director.Yeah, he's going to director in Best Picture for sure.That's the only one that I think would be the one that could be upset maybe if it's like holdovers.But I don't see it happening.No.
01:36:47I don't know.Maybe those are the only ones that kind of seem like their locks.Everything else seems like could go either way, right?Is there any, I mean, well, I guess, you know, I mean, I guess Killiam Murphy could loseto make Mahdi, but is that really a big upset?It's been between the both of them the whole time.So it's an upset.I guess I, you know what?
01:37:08If, if Downey doesn't win, that would be a huge upset.Like, the only one that he would lose to is to me that I think would be the one I'd be like, okay, Ruffalo.I guess maybe score.Like if he lose, if Ludwig Gorinson loses score, that would be an upset to me.Yeah.Because the other four nominees don't come close to what Oppenheimer score is.I think that would be a big surprise future millionaire I like that I like the I like the visionso fellas finally saw Dune yesterday with my 15 year old son who really enjoyed it how far down the
01:37:39book series is planning to be made into movies right now they're just talking about Messiah yeahand I think that Warner brothers is probably going let's see how this one does let's keepDeny very happy let him talk about it in the interviews and and then let's unload a truck full ofmoney in his backyard once this thing does well so that's that's all it's just right now it's just a TV showand Messiah,unless you,do you know anything elseabout that,
01:38:01John?No,that's all,so far,that's all they're workingwith.That's all they're talkingabout.
01:38:05Nothing else has been in play.UFC 8-10,never knew Lucas borrowedthe Vader beingLuke's father twist from the Paul Harkin and reveal,also kind of like Ray being in a Palpatine.I don't,that's the thing.
01:38:18But because it was done so poorly,dude,it was done so poorly thateveryone feels that way,rightfully so.Right.If it was well written,yes,
01:38:28Yes.Set up in a way we're like, oh, shit.Yeah.Wow, he set that up from the get go.That way you'd be like, oh, it was a great twist.But it was written so poorly.Of course you go, because it was terrible the way they revealed that.So I don't mind it.
01:38:42I was never, I was never on board with the idea of like, well, she's in anybody.And I hated how everybody took their stance of like, I love that she's in anybody.I hated that.I agree.I hate that too.I hate that.We go to these movies to see special characters, special.Yeah.
01:38:56Yeah.I think she should have been Obi-Won's descendant.That I would have been fine with.Because that is showing you that they weren't paying attentionto the freaking shit that was set up before them.They had this whole thing where they could have set up the whole setteen stuffthat happened during the Clone Wars that Obi-Wan had this secret relationship.And Anna comes like, you mother, F, you did that, wow.
01:39:14And then you had this descendants the whole time was raising,and you would have been revealed that.But Jay didn't pay attention to any of that stuff.Instead, brought back Palpatine.Ridiculous.I finished the 10 episodes of the dynastythe New England Patriots series on Apple TV Plus, and I guess I got the screeners.And the things they reveal about the behind the scenes, that's what I hope they do one day
01:39:36as a documentary series about this entire sequel trilogy.I want to hear from their mouths what really fucking happened.And as far as the reveal of, I mean, you can see, you watch one and two, you can seeso much of where Star Wars was inspired from.I mean, the voice is the force, you know, like the turn.I mean, because Paul is essentially Luke and Anakin in one.Okay.So this is Renee Reyes.
01:40:04What's Good Boys?Will there be a Dune Part 3 or will be a new title?I'm not familiar with the books.Yeah.So it'll be Messiah if they do it.They'll probably call it.I'm sure they'll call it Part 3 and be Dune Part 3 Messiah or they just call itDune Messiah.
01:40:17As long as they have June in the title.Yeah.Yeah.So, yeah, we've got to find.I'm wondering when they're going to announce it, though,the question. I wonder.I felt like the scores inDune-2 sounded similar to World Woman
01:40:30theme, is it just me? Wonder Woman theme.I know whatthey mean. The main theme of Wonder Womanhas that bit of, you know, with thewomenkind of going, ah, like that.Oh, right. Well. It's, I cansee that. It's got similarities. I wouldn't say too much, but
01:40:50it's got similarities. You don't think so, John? No,I mean, I think it's, it's adifferent sound to her voice versus what you get in Dune.And when you look at, you know, the fact that the freemen are based on, I mean,a culture, it's a different thing, whereas it's more Greek-based with Wonder Woman.So you've got different approaches to the music that you want to look at how they composethose songs, the score rather.Okay, next one, Francisco Lopez.
01:41:17Hey, guys, did you watch A.W. Revolution?The show was good, but the best thing was Sting's match.That was F-and-crazy.I'm happy to Sting. Thank you, Sting.I didn't watch Sting's match. Did you?I did not watch the match. I've watched some of the highlights and I've watched hisintro where they brought out his, I think it was his sons in different versions ofSting through the years, which I thought was fucking awesome.
01:41:36Okay, so I can't wait to find it. I was not going to pay for it.Those other matches look terrible, but I'll find some kind of, I'll find some way to watch it.That's what I'll say. Okay.Orange Grove 55. Haven't seen Dune 2 yet, so we'll have to revisit this stream after I watch.Just wanted to drop in with some love. That's very kind. Thank you.keep up the great work very very nice if you appreciate that yeah once you do check it out onceuh we covered a lot um Simon section Christian you you couldn't show a little class andrecognize that in the fight between Paul and his cousin that Elvis was playing sting
01:42:06it's hilarious yeah and it's hilarious if you didn't see the 84 version of apologize no no II remember um that's absolutely but I mean they don't even they just look like humans with badhaircuts in that is right sting with a leather fucking speedos yeah yeah it's pretty bad umThe Pharaoh vibes.Thank you.Thanks for putting me on the magic spoon.Amazing.I got a bundle of new flavors with the spoon.
01:42:28Love the fruity and waffle boxes so far.I ate it late night instead of other sweets.Cheers to start of a good habit.Cheers.What a wonderful thing to hear.I love it.And I've been talking about it,them forever.
01:42:39So I'm really,really happy that you got that you check that out and dug it.Like, have you tried it yet, John?Not yet.No.Oh, you got to jump on it for sure.Because I'm changing my eating habits as well at night.It's like based on our conversation a few weeks ago.
01:42:50Yeah.Got to make that change.Felix, Denise said in an interview at the premiere.He's currently writing the third.Good.Can't wait.Cann't wait.Al Wrencha.
01:43:01While I like Turning Red,I don't think we've had a great Disney animation movie since Enkanto and Rea.Great messages.You guys thoughts.I love both Enkanto and Ray.You know, I haven't seen all the Turning Red.My kids love it.But I haven't seen it, though.
01:43:13But I, yeah, I really dug the Enkanto a lot.Yeah.I thought Seoul was great.Oh yeah, soul wasn't bad.I love soul.I got probably,he came out of a bad time.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:43:29But Enkanto was a gorgeous,fucking great, man.I love that movie.Andrew Smith,remember my dad had passed awayseven years yesterday.I'm sorry, man.Yeah, condolences.
01:43:38Dune is one of those movies.He would have loved having been a huge movie,but I'm a book fan.Yeah, well,I mean, look,man,the same thing,what I would say is like,
01:43:44take that with you when you goand you see it againor you see it and just,yeah,and as I'm sure John can talk about better than me,But like, that's probably the same.That's why I brought that up earlier with John.Yeah, yeah.
01:43:56It's always tough when you see a movie and you're like,oh, my dad would have loved this.So, you know, he did.He saw it through you.Like, just believe that when you're in there.Yeah.The nerd Calvin, Paul versus Fade,was such good choreography, super refreshing.
01:44:10It was really good.That's one of the things I'm really looking forward to againwhen I go see it again is that fight.The fight was awesome.There was a lot of space yet.It felt like they were fighting in a phone booth.And I thought that was really well done.Benny David.
01:44:22Thoughts on 2005 King Kong.I think it's underrated.I agree.I love that movie.And I'll tell you the thing with that movie,that it's too long.They spend way too much on the island.The special effects were not ready yet at that time.
01:44:37And yeah,but the movie is,it's fairly emotional.And the score is really,really well done.And Annie Circus,again, does a great job in that.Yeah, I think Jack Black is miscast in the film.
01:44:48And I also think that Naomi,Naomi Watts wasn't the right choice. She's not a, in my opinion, not a classical beauty like JessicaLang or Fay-ray, which we've seen before. So for me, it didn't 100% work on that end. And this wholeice skating playing around, oh, that was ridiculous. There were a lot of bones here that could haveworked overall. So, but I just think Peter Jackson was exhausted when he did that way. Yeah,should have been two hours. We should have been two hours. We should have been two hours.Armaida. Is Soderberg legendary director status? Legendary? I say so. I say he'sgreat director. I wouldn't put him legendary. I think you and I have a different definition.
01:45:19of legendary. Yeah, mine's right. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not putting, I'm not puttingSodenberg in legendary. I'm not putting Greta Gerwig there yet. I'm not putting, I'm not putting,legendary. Really good. A legend. All right. Let's see. Mike Joyce, the woman seated next to meyesterday made her partner go up and get popcorn soda refills five times. What? What's the most you'veseen some of the, I mean, where was she pissing in a little urinal that she brought with her from home?Yeah, were they 80 year olds. I could buy it if they were 80 years. I don't, I, I, I,I can't answer that question because I don't really know if I try to not pay attention to people in the theaterYou know what I mean? But like I yeah, I don't notice I mean for me I notice when I'm getting up a lot I only got up once during Dune to pee
01:46:01I don't I don't get I don't go to full theaters man. Yeah, it's hardMet Bolt my buddy met Bull do you think kids don't get enough credit for not being able to appreciate movies targeted for general to older audiences? That's what we like you're he's right in the 80s and stuff like we like because my my daughter asked me yesterday how old were you when you?Or did you see rated R movies you were my age?And I'm like, I still rated R movies.And I was like, nine.You know, I remember seeing those movies that I saw and I appreciated them.I don't know if I understood all of them, but I appreciated them.That's a good point.
01:46:32It's a good question.Nothing's in a vacuum, guys.And nowadays, I think we are much more afraid as a society about any exposure of our kids toanything.Whereas back in the 80s, we were much more like, fuck it.I mean, Christian and I bet we used to go off on the afternoons and go off withour friends for like four or five hours.our parents didn't know where we were and then we come home for dinner that's kind of how it was now
01:46:53everybody's a hawk over everything where are you going who are you talking to what are you readingwhat are you watching and so naturally you're going to not be going to think kids can't handle it when theycan when they can um Simon section do you think that post indie that james mango can deliver aa deneval new level star wars old republic movie is it even being developed well it wasn't to beclear it wasn't an old republic movie it was it was supposed to be like the the start of theJedi and the Sith and all that stuffor more so the beginning of the first JediI think is what it was. Yeah,
01:47:25look, I'm not counting outMangold because he didn't deliver all the wayon Indies. Like, it'sa great filmmaker. So I wouldn'tlike, he's another one. Yeah.Great filmmaker. Made some great movies.Logan, Ford versusFerrari. Like, I mean,
01:47:41list goes on and on with that guy.Right? Yeah. Legendary? Not callinga legendary yet. Oh, I don't call him legendary.No. But you think, you think that hisyou think his resume isless or so than Reda Gerwig's right now?Yes, because I mean, do you know that Wolverine?How good was that Wolverine movie?
01:47:59I mean, you know.The Wolverine movie, the director's cut when you see it.Actually, his version of it?Like the Unrated sober tongue girl still in there?Then it's not good.But it's better.It's better.He's, I think he, Copland.
01:48:12I think he has a bigger resume.I think he's a way more experienced filmmakerthat would be more, would considerover Greta and yet I still don't puthim in. But she's done small andbig scale and been successful in girls.She's a very good director. I don'tI think it's too young to say
01:48:28she's not even what, 35, 40 years old.But again, the question was who are going to look back onand think is legendary?I think she will achieve legendary status.We'll see.Now, okay, let's keep going through.Okay, Hesuzus, Gutierrez,a lot of criticism towards Chani. I loved her character.
01:48:48I don't see that I don't know why I loved her character I thought she was great I have my suspicions but yes I think that's ridiculous anycriticism of Zendaya or Cheney as a character she's nonsense that's great the nerd cal if you don't react to the dune series I'm gonna die wellI'm definitely I'm gonna definitely review it whether or not I react I don't do well the reactions don't dieI know they don't do well ellipsis 10 hot take aniken is a cheaper version of paul atrade he shots fired notYou're not firing him at me.I think that I think that I said,I think that the turn was handled way better in June,to be honest with you.
01:49:25Listen,say what you want.I know there are people who defend that sequel trilogy.It's a,or prequel trilogy,it's a terrible Anakin turn.And if they'd done,written that better,
01:49:34I think we'd have felt that a little bit more when it happened.So,look,I have a deeper,as I've talked about it many times,I have a deeper appreciation for the prequels now,but I can also acknowledge that there's a lot of stuffthat's just not well written.
01:49:45The stories are there.Right.Stories are there.Without the Clone Wars, and that's the way it was intended, that turn is not as strong.Now, this I'm going to agree with.PTA and Fincher are legendary directors.That one I'll give you.I'll give you both of those.
01:49:58100%.Good call.Okay, let's see.Carlton Rudder.Will you be watching the Oscars on Sunday?John will be doing, or John, are you doing a live watch long?I'm in the UK and would love to join any live stream.I am not going to do a live stream.
01:50:12I'll probably do what I always do with the Oscars.I'll record them, and then I'll fast forward to the winners.I'm sitting three hours to hear people talk about how greatI guess what I'm using my platform now to talk about howpizza places shouldn't have too much sauce on the pizzaI'm done with it it's like tweet about itdon't tell me in your fucking speech why you don't want more sauce on pizzahe's fucking gay he's fucking gay I'm done it I'm done with the Oscars
01:50:38stream them all right let's see uh last oneellipsis oh no second the last one elipsis when ladyFenring tells Fade to put his hand in the in the box I thought wow that's directI'm like hunch a bar then I thought oh that box hilarious it's good that's goodso I guess John's definition of legendary is sex lies and videotapes agreed that's uh that's from the 90syeah that's this first one but no I mean there's so many good films that he's done fucking out of sightyeah all right well there you go Sean we did it thank you on big discussion here thank you to everybodywho joined us today. Thank you for all the questions
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