The Kristian Harloff Show - Is Guardians of The Galaxy 3 the best Guardians movie yet? SPOILERS!

Episode Date: May 8, 2023

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I'm ready. You're ready. Let's do it. Welcome back, everybody. It is Big Thing, special edition, Capes and Cowles, Monday. why is it Monday? Because we're doing a spoiler discussion for Guardians, man.

We're excited about it. It's me. It's Coy and Winston A. Marshall, everybody. All right. So, guys, we had an opportunity to go over the non-spoiler a little while ago. Now, here we are in the spoiler. All of us feel the same. Great movie.

Yeah. Overall. I love how this movie starts. I love the fact that they jump right into it. and they give you the big bombastic scene, but it makes sense. You know, it's not just like, oh, we need a big action scene,

but they have it. They set up right where you were. If you watched the Christmas special, you get where they are. They throw in the little things about Quill and Mantis being sister and brother, but even if you didn't watch it, it's like,

you maybe ask that question, oh, when did they reveal that? Who cares? It's all set up inside of where they are, nowhere, and Star Lord is, the only thing is that Starwood, when did he start drinking? Because he wasn't drinking like that during a Christmas special, was he?

He was a little, like, I think because it was a Christmas special. But as far as his energy, it was the same energy of just being a mess. It makes sense. Yeah, it made a lot of sense of why he is. And I like it. And I also like because once Warlock comes in there, Warlock, right? Yeah, Adam Warlock. Once he comes in there and he looks devastating when he first comes in.

And he's having all these things. The fights were so intense. that was shot. We're so great. There's the battle that he, Groot, we didn't talk about it enough in the non-spoiler. Grout's like Chubaka in this one. Grut is, this is the best Groot that I've seen. I know it's a different Groot than the

first movie, but it's so great. I called so many things with Groot, which was really fun. Jumping ahead a little bit when they go to visit the high evolutionary and they're like, no weapons. And I'm like, so they're just not even going to scan Groot. So Grut's got every weapon in the book in there, doesn't he right now? Which was

amazing, because I then all of a sudden, I fortunately was so jacked in. I forgot about the trailer and how all of a sudden the multi-arms with him and all the guns. I'm glad they didn't remember that either, yeah. But Groot was so good in this, and because he's also, and this goes to the credit of where he was in the first one, where he was a much older Groot, and then it wasn't, and that's not him in the second one, it's his son, and he's a teenager, and you see him in various different versions. This is, like, what, college age?

Like, maybe, like, mid to late 20s? I think, yeah, I think he's, like, mid to late 20s. now and you could feel it because and he's so loyal and it's like he he really is Han solo to I mean excuse me Chewbac to Chris Pratt's solo in this and it works brilliantly and that fight that he has with warlock is so good and it ultimately plays back into the end when when warlock looks at me he goes why and I love the relationship he's got with Gamora the whole time of Gamora's like you don't understand what he's saying and he just and then she finally you you see it and I love that you see it in her eyes that she finally understands but she doesn't have to go oh I understand you now

you just know. And I thought that Zoe Saldana did a fantastic job of playing a Gamora that was not the Gamoira that we're familiar with in the previous two. But it's similar attributes where you can see they could be timeline Gimor. It's hard to play a character that's not the exact same that feels authentic to the character itself. And I really think the paternal nature of the second film was mirrored beautifully and the maternal nature of her take in this film.

Because, you know, the first film feels like it's about the loss of his mother and him being like, you know, lost in general. Second film is obviously a father's son story and a lot of coping. And I know that Chris Pratt had said that like that helped him cope and James Gunn wrote it for that perspective. But what I really loved is that there's an element of Gomorrah that was so maternal towards baby Groot that she's now not that Gomorrah in three. But I think her frustration is this draw to want to connect to Groot because something in her like connects to this creature. And then I love the frustration she had with not understanding of him. And then that light that lit her eyes when she got what he was saying.

Yeah, it was amazing. Beautiful. Yeah. I think my biggest takeaway from this that just really lit me up is for Rocket really not being in the movie a lot. I mean, he is, obviously, but we're getting a lot of his past story. So we're seeing him as like a young kid. Yeah, he's in a very creative way. Yeah.

And so to have him essentially come out of his coma more or less. And while the anger is clearly in him, that anger we've seen in the first two movies has, so gone away. He is, he is, like, because we even see it, you actually skipped a spot where you said where we start off, we start off with him in the cage as a regular raccoon and the hand comes in to grab him, and then he is lost

in thoughts. He is just like constantly listening to music and he seems like something is really eating away at him. Right, as he's walking through, he's not the angry one anymore where he walks through and it's Quill going, running after him. And it's a great point because as he walks through there, through that moment and Quill starts yelling at him

about, why are using this? You're stupid raccoon or whatever and he's like I told you not a raccoon he's not Matt he just has any and he knows and they all know that Quill's going through something right now and I also like the recognition from Quill going had I not be such a drunk slob than I would have been I would have been on it a little

more but I love and this happens throughout the movie it happens in the beginning and it happens masterfully at the very end of it but where the guardians when World Lock comes into attack they all just like wake up out of their slumber whatever they're doing jokes they're cracking and they're ready to scrap and that happens at the very

end and and when they finally take out the high evolutionary when they what like that was such a great moment but we'll get into it later but still i i love the fact that like because for me the one thing that's always gone through my head is like they all kind of have their own like power set and things that they're able to do but i always just thought to myself i was like what does rocket like actually do his little ass like yeah he shoots a gun and everything but but that's the thing and they really get into that his his his specifically his ability to invent and invent like MacGyver. Yeah.

Like out of like I have a paper clip. And I need that arm. A bottle cap and a pillow. Right. Oh, I just made a nuclear bomb. Right. Yeah. What?

Tenacity plus that intelligence. And it's not pattern based. It's inventive, which I love that they leaned into because there's different types of intelligence. Like he's a one of one mind in a very specific way, which is a superpower. But it's also his tenacity to seek out those things to persevere. And then the loyalty you've seen him grow from the first film of like the end of their family.

But by the, by the end of this film. it's another level. And like you said, with the action, I love that they all know how to listen to each other in that hallway scene where you see every one of them reacting in real time. I mean, let's just talk about that scene for, first of all. One of the greatest scenes in this movie,

I thought, was that hallway scene. And when the music starts playing for No Sleep Till Brooklyn, right? It's one of my favorite Beastie Boy songs. And when that song was playing, I was like, there are a lot of songs in movies that are overused. And this song was just used in Mario, three, four weeks ago. So it starts playing and I'm like, okay, all right, let's see.

But then even when it starts, though, I'm like, but he's using it in such a cool way already, how they're just like they're all finally all back together and they're going to start walking in and you know they're going to do something. So I'm all right, they're going to use it. How else are you going to use it, James? And he's like, shut up, stupid and eat your popcorn. And he just plays the music and just, it just is shot so well. And it's not cliche, that stupid shot that everybody uses it is.

Bleeding in the face. He doesn't use that. He does these different ways to maneuver the camera, structure it with the music, but everyone's doing something for a purpose. And no one's waiting to fight. There's none of that pacing yourself for the next person to jump in. It's a melee. And the fact that, and I think what was so cool about it and what made that fight scene work better than most, and it gave me end game vibes in that regard, you have such a large ensemble here. they all fight very differently.

And for the, not that they haven't done this previously, but this has felt the most, we have fully nailed how each one of these dudes or gals kicks ass. And it is drastically different. It's the fact that Nebula will take hardcore, like it would kill anybody else. Like her head gets bent all the way back

and she still pop, pop, pop, pop. Well, like, Mantis falls one time in this, in that cage and she lands on her neck. And I was like, how does she survive that? There was one time. I was like, how did, I was like, Oh, is that nebula? No, it was Mantis.

But speaking to Mantis and Drax. She's so strong. But Mantis and Drax were set up so well in that Christmas special of how they played off each other so well. And it's even a hundred times and how protective they are over each other. And we said in the non-spoiler review, just to reiterate, the reason why this movie also really worked for me is that everybody had something to do. We mentioned Groot that even though Groot had, like, he's gone through his emotional arc. He did his thing in the first movie. He's done, we've had shorts on him, but he still was able, you saw him maturing, you saw that he was the loyal, he was going to be there for Pratt.

And he was really there for, he was there for Star Lord. And he was able when he jumped out and did all that stuff. He was, he was there in that focus. That was, that was the arc that he needed to show that he was maturing. Nebula, who to me has had the biggest arc of almost any character so far. And the entire MCU. Yeah, well, maybe minus rocket inside of the Guardians thing. But because as they said in this, they even say it.

like this has always been Rocket's story. They say it at one point, but Nebula, I didn't like Nebula when I first saw. I was like, it seemed like Karen Gillian to me was doing kind of like a one-note thing. And then it was like, that was kind of the point. It was kind of the point in the first one. And then as you see, she starts to change in her humor, starts to play off in the stuff that she did with Tony Stark in Infinity War or even an end game. And she starts to get better. And she was incredible, that one line in the Christmas special is just out of control.

good. But she's the most evolved in this, because she's that protective mama in this. I think, and that was really well done with James Gunn with the writing, because if you think about it, the one thing that was harped on over and over and over again is that Danos stripped her

of all of her humanity. Right. There's a reason she was a one-note assassin is because he literally stripped her of everything that made her like a person. Right. And so what we were watching is essentially the deprogramming or the of her from being that into being a regular being again.

And so she's never going to get rid of that trauma and that scar tissue, but she has become, he's gotten her humidity back. She's got it back. And she's so, she has, she has quite a few emotional moments in this. Yeah. One, my favorite emotional moment is when she realizes Rockets a lot. And she's like, she just, it's very subtle. She's like, wait, Rocket?

And then he says something and she puts her hand over her mouth. And then the other moment is when she gives, drags his props at the end. Yeah. She's been yelling at him the whole time. I'm stupid. And I just thought about the funniest moment in the movie for me in a second. And I'll see if you guys can guess what it is. But I laughed every time.

But when she then realized and she tells him, she's like, no, I need you here. I need you to be here because I know what your purposes is. I saw what your purpose is. And she's the one that delivers that line. And it was so fitting. And it was so perfect. So I thought, I thought, Karen, Gillian, Gillian, right? Gillen, did such a great, great job in the perfection of this character.

and I love that she's running nowhere. Right. It's great. All right. So let me see if you guys can guess. What do you think I laughed at the most? Do you get any clue? Is it going to give it away?

It's too hard if I give it away. But it's, I just say there's something that was said. Okay. This might be too silly for you. Was it the whole, you think I'm stupid? There's every time that Drax called those kids morons. Every time. Because he did it so lovingly.

He goes, he's like, hello, moron. That's how I talked to Dagnino when I see him. That's like, he goes, he's like, all right, idiots and morons. And I love that he talks in that line of, she's like, why didn't you tell me the whole time that you could speak their language? Did you ever ask? Bro, that's one of my favorite moments from rush hour is the whole idea. It's like, excuse me, officer. I was just teaching him a technique.

How does it take the suspect? You speak English? You didn't ask if I speak English. Like, it's the same thing. People underestimate drag so much to me. that was probably I loved everybody's arc. His was probably my favorite,

especially to be like, dude, you're not Drax the Destroyer because he comes full circle. He was like, you're Drax to the dad. You were meant to be a family man. That was always your thing.

I loved, and it's a credit to Dave Batista has been getting better in everything that he was still right now, to me, his best performance that I've ever seen him in, knock at the cap.

I mean, is that it was called? Knock at the cap. best he's ever been he's getting better and better every time he was so good in this in this guardians because in number two as funny as I thought he was

I thought he was just there to be a joke juke jukebox he had something to do in this one he had something to do there wasn't a single arc wasted and I and I love that the landing of so in Marvel there's often that like they're going to use the name either as a punchline or an explanation like there's always that like

they're called blah blah blah and I don't know how And it's been right in front of me. Rocket is what they call him and all the guardians. I never thought we'd hear Rocket Raccoon aloud. So the fact that they played the long game from the first movie, him saying I'm not a raccoon, not a raccoon. And I love the double whammy of him not only accepting himself,

which is what all the movies are about. Each of them is about accepting yourself and finding that. And then they had the added layer of accepting yourself with the, I'm not a bad dog, say I'm a good dog. Because that's like everyone wants affirmation. So then to top the affirmation thing with an animal, because this movie is a feeling those things. Even learning the whistle.

Whistling and all that sense. Everything's just affirming. Yeah. But then to end it with Rocket seeing that moment as him seeing the next generation of raccoons to him. Like he's seeing those creatures, realizing he's seeing himself in these little creatures. He's having that full circle arc. But the last line he said to his love in heaven, an animal heaven was, I'm not a raccoon. And then in life he accepts he's a raccoon.

So you have the death literally of him pushing the last bit of himself away. You have that dying in front of his love. I love that. I also love that when she was like, but not yet. And then he goes back. But all of that, the acceptance, it was all there, right? It was like that it just, I mean, even Quill having to accept about his grandfather in the way that they set that up. And then that moment got me at the very end when he shows up and he's just like immediately recognized.

And he grabs them and holds them. And then let's just talk about the end. Because the end to me was a shock. the second credit scene. Second, the post-credit scene when... With his dad? Or with his grandfather? Because at the end it goes,

Star Lord will return. The legendary Star Lord will return. So that means that, you know, are we going to get a Star Lord movie? What does that mean? Because Chris Pratt, if you go back to those interviews, Gamora,

Zoe Soledana, this is it for me. I'm done. Batista, this is it for me. I'm done. James Gunn, this is it for me. I'm done. Chris Pratt never said that. Never heard that from Chris Pratt.

I would actually venture a guess, you may get a situation where you get a recasting of Gamora, I wouldn't be surprised if Batista's like, I'm not doing this again, but if he is like, I will do a cameo. I could see some of these characters be like, I will cameo. I'm not doing

this again. I'm not going to be in the full movie if you want me to pop up in a scene or something. Except for Chris. But I don't think, but I think that's why it said the legendary Starlord will return. It doesn't mean he's got to go off on different adventures. You could be on earth. He could be doing other stuff too. He could be involved with

the new cast. If they're smart, that's exactly what they do. Well, so this was going to be what I was going to tell, because there is a point in the books where this has happened where members of the Guardians have stayed on Earth to become Avengers. People from the Avengers have gone to become Guardian to the Galaxy. Happens all the time.

So that's very much a possibility. I was going to say where I think this actually does connect to the MCU during the non-spoiler was the first post-credit scene where Rocket is leading the new team, because once again, it's all kind of kids. You're once again getting at the whole idea of the next generation, them being the ones to defend everybody. I have a very strong feeling that as the Young Avengers stuff happened, at some point, the new Guardians are going to get involved too. See, the only thing, though, and this is why I think that it's tricky, because James Gunn has just been so synonymous with Guardians, right?

And they did Guardians without them in Infinity War and games, to which he made comments recently about Star Lord, said he wouldn't have played Star Lord that way. And the elevator scene kind of like acknowledging that where Chris Pratt has to be like describing the anger at Thanos. They kind of expositioned away that they're like, let's bandaid that thing that happened. Yeah, there was, he, he, because James Gunn is not, I don't think was a fan in the nicest way possible.

Of Star-Lor breaking down? On how they handled Star-Lord in infinity, how the Rousseau's handled them. I think that he would have handled him differently. So that being said, it has been used without him. I think doing a full Guardians movie with the new Guardians. I know you're not saying that,

but I'm just saying if they set that up in a way, having them show up and everything too, fine. They can't ever do a Guardians movie again. I think it also would have said the Guardians, the Galaxy will return.

It's a Star Lord. It's a Star Lord. It did not say guardians. He's specifically saying just the fact that they set them up in that scene, does that mean that we're going to see them again? I agree with you.

It's potentially, it sets it up possibly. But I think that they're, I think everybody's loop is kind of closed, you know? I also... No, no, my fault. this group, yes.

We're not... No, I know, but even the new group. It's like, it's like, I get, like, you'd have to set them all up again. You gotta do a movie with them. It's like... But why would you bring in, like, why would you want off, like, Adam Warlock, for example?

Again, considering how many stories he's got, all that kind of stuff, and this really is just another iteration of a team that we've seen before. So all I'm saying is that you may not get them the way that, like, maybe, who knows, maybe you write off Kraglin because it's like maybe Sean's not going to do anything

without his book. brother, but like, I can totally see Rocket coming back and leading like Adam Warlock and some of this stuff or whatever, or like Star Lord is helping the Avengers and like, I got somebody we can call and they call the new Guardians team in and they don't bring in the old cast, they bring in this group that we saw in the post credit. Right. I can see that all day and that is the only way that this connects, quote unquote, you know? Yeah.

I feel like the way they handled loss here was so buttoned up that I, so I love that they manipulated us. James Gunman to be the whole movie. There was like every 20 minutes a moment where you assume someone was going to die because it was the end of the trilogy. It was how things end. Death is the only way things. Instead, it was a more beautiful ending because people didn't have to die for there to be lost. Like in day-to-day life, your last loss is dying.

But you lose friends. Things change. The world evolves. And I think it's a much more on brand of the Guardian story that they disband in a way. And that's more heartbreaking. On their terms. Yeah. Yeah, because he's even Rocket at that one point

who's always been won in his family and everything to where he's just like, was that's it? The band's over and they're telling him to accept loss. Yeah. Accept it. But in a way that, but you're going to, but you're, and I love the whole thing when they're all like, you know, doing it and respecting that

they're giving him the credit for what he's ultimately going to be able to do. Gamora has her thing she's doing with Salone. The Gamora line, I bet we were fun broke me. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like I relived every breakup. I've lived that conversation, and it was beautiful. It was really, really good.

So they went, and then Stallone were just, it was great to see him. It was coming back. It would be big bear hug. It was phenomenal. The 80s beef between Stallone and Arnold has always fascinated me, and I know they're cool now, but Arnold was at my screening, and I was wondering the whole time,

like, I saw him before the movie, and every time Silver was on screen. But I kept thinking, like, 20 years ago, this would have been a problem. I could have done that. Yeah, I was like, what's it like for him to watch him on that screen? You look at him. He said the ravage.

He's not a badger. I come in there with doing, I could hold the raccoon, I could hold the tree. I could do it all. He's not even fighting. I just, I'll tell you the thing

that I think was the most fun for me fight-wise, because everybody got their own little steeds of how they were like handling their business in those fights. It was the same thing that happened for me in the Christmas special is how effing powerful

mantis is. So like the one when they're in the first science center and she's just out here being like, you got to dance. It was like, you got to cry. Underrated so far, you know, I hope it's not underrated. But, like, people weren't laughing as much in our screening as I was hoping they were.

The dude just dancing by himself. And the only one dodging everything? But he's just doing all the bullets. That was hilarious. She's still like this and he's dancing in the side. It was hilarious. And it was in a moment where, like, because I saw somebody, you know, one of the, Troll McGillicuddy 75 or whatever was like, oh, you got to watch the guardians do a dance off to beat the villains again?

And it was like, and this was like, this is how you use that particular thing. because I do think overall beating what's his face in the first movie with a dance. He could be consumed. I had to distract him, which is fine. But whatever. It's this.

They didn't do that at all. And I was glad that they didn't. But that scene, when they used it at the right time, because even that whole setup of, with the Nathan Philly and stuff and how they brought in, you know,

he was trying to charm the girl. She seemed like a douche to me. But the fact that it worked at the end. The landing of that was peak star lord. The landing of that when he was like, No, I just got to get in the system. And then he just took out everybody. That felt like the comic book.

What was cool about that, too, is talk about full circle, the person who would have done that in the past. Even with him being a thief, the person who had done that in the past would have been Rocket. So the fact that he's clearly picked up something from Rocket. And Rocket, in turn, is now obsessed with music in that Zoom, the way that it's very funny how they really work. They're picking up stuff in their family. You know what I'm saying? They bicker like a family. They stick up for each other like a family.

And, like, they try. Again, with Nebula, we've got to go find Star, Star, We got to find Star Lord. We got to find everybody. We got to find out where they are. And they're like, what do you mean? You're off the ship. And then even when he, the hilarious that both, how it keeps coming back, great plan, jump out of a window.

And how it gets brutal, man. Like a couple times of how they kill that dude, they slam him into the ground. And it's like an eerie scene. The scene when the, um, rip his face off. He looked like red skull. Yeah. And like how he should look. Yeah.

And it was, all of that was really brutal. The stuff with the kids and the cages was tough, you know? That and the animals too. Yeah. That was wild to me. I was, and this is where I was like, Gun was effing with us yet again. This is the third time that Star Lord

has almost died in space for freezing. The first time he goes to save Gamora. The second time, it's Yandu flying him out at the end, and Yandu ends up dying. And so the third time, his whole face puffing up. And it's all because him going after the Zoon, and I'm like, stop doing that. But I understand why he's doing it.

That's his last link to his mother. He can't let it. And then he gives it to Rocket, and that was such a moment when he got that first 2000 song. And I also love that the opening mirrors, the Guardians one opening, where he's walking,

you have a panning shot of him walking. And that's the same pace that Star Lord was going in in the first film. So Rocket literally taking on that attribute, but then at the end, the passing of the torch, the Zoon, that's kind of like the leadership thing. And that was just a weird,

like, emotionally connecting moment that I never would have expected when we started these movies would land as well. It really, really did. And I think that there's just something about, again, the connectivity of all of them together and how it played, like, Rocket needed to go back into that room to go after the high evolutionary. He needed to be, and when he goes to free all of the raccoons again, and he's got them all, and he's got tears in his eyes and everything, you knew that that hump was coming back in. And he does, and they're having this square off.

And what I loved about that moment, and I noticed it right away, as Rockets fighting him and going right after him, all the guardians start coming in, but they don't do this big reveal of like, here's a whip pan to show them coming in. They're just there. They're just there kicking the piss out of this guy. And they're hitting him and the punching him and they're going after. And it's like,

it was so great. It was, it was the, I agree with you. It was the surprise reveal of like, since the high evolutionary has mastered gravity, you're like, none of them are beating that. That's not going to happen.

But we got the, we got the tip of the hat early on that what Rocket has over the high evolutionary is that he made him so well. He's actually smart. He's more creative than him. And so the fact that his gravity boots by himself are more powerful than whatever tech he used to make him to be able to control gravity.

And he's like, I'm a cardiac guy. One pop shot and all of a sudden here comes Groot's slap to the face. Oh, it's amazing. What did you guys think about the Deadpool reference though? Which one? The one right now. Mint Mobile, guys. Do you guys know Mint Mobile?

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But, like, my thing was I had heard for so long about this character, how intent it was, and everyone was so excited to see him kind of coming into the MCU, and he's been rumored forever. Like, even back to, like, guardians coming into Guardians 2, if he was going to show up. And when they cast Will Poulter, because it was somebody else that was cast first, right? Didn't they cast somebody else? And then they cast Will Poulter?

I don't remember. Either way, I thought Will Poulter for how he was directed was fine, because he shows up and he's devastating, almost like this kind of Superman type of character, and he's fighting everybody, and then he shoots Rocket. He's their whole reason that Rocket, they're in this position in the first place.

But then he kind of turns into kind of like a goof. Like once you see him with the high evolutionary, and that's also established that, no, no, no, that's the boss. This guy's just kind of working for him. But he's just kind of like, the scene, even though as funny as it was, when he's like, show him we mean business,

and he just disintegrates the guy. It's hilarious. It was hilarious. And she, She's like, what are you doing? He's like, well, how else we're going to show him? We mean business? Like, don't kill him.

And, like, with all that, but he's just kind of, but he's not, but that also shows you can't take this guy very serious because he doesn't really get the job done ever. They try to explain it. And I do want to hear what Koya has to say about this. They try and explain it in the way of like, you made me take him out early. Right. Like, not only is he like what, supposedly what, like a week old or something like that, he did not finish developing. You pulled him out too soon. Yeah.

But you insisted because you needed to go and find the guy. already, but I don't think that that's enough of an of an excuse in the sense that it is so for me and what I have read of Adam Warlock, again, I have not read every book. So if someone wants to correct me and tell me, hey, that exists at some point, he's just, he's more serious to that. He kind of has it more together. He's one of the few that can actually wield the soul stuff. He's how he is when he first shows up. When he first shows up, he's pretty devastating. Both how he first shows up and how he ends when he saves, when he saves him, he seems to like he gets it together. Yeah, although that moment was funny,

though when they're all giving hugs any, well, when he comes in, when he comes in to give the hug, because he's like the awkward hug on the side because he just wants to be accepted to it. And I love that he has his butt out too. Like that's such a, like,

I don't know how to do this moment moment. Yeah, the fact that I was wondering if Gimora was going to like come over and just put like a hand of it, but I thought that was nice of her just kind of give like a smirk and walk the other way. And it worked,

but like, so I didn't have as much of an attachment to how, how true they were to Warlock because I didn't know enough about him. I just think that he was just kind of pushed to the side. he was just kind of there when he showed up like, oh yeah, that guy. Like, but Corey, go ahead.

So basically there's two versions of Adam Warlock. One is called the Magus and one is Adam Warlock. So I think they were playing with the Magus storyline more, which is a very intentionally brain dead, brainwashed, broken version. And I think they're playing the long game with Will Poulter to where you're going to have a character that's basically as strong as Captain Marvel. The arc can't start with them completely. because then you've just got the Captain Marvel problem, which is like, you're so overpowered. We can only use you ever so often. So I think the reason they introduce him as the Magus is if you've got all of the strength but none of the intelligence, you have to grow that way.

Is Magus always childlike and stupid, though? I think that's what they're doing with the, like that line you mentioned, the hatch too soon. He's not childlike and stupid. He's just ignorant. It's more fish out of water. And I think they did that here in a way that had to be in order to introduce him and endear him. And I think that he's going to get the long game. I assume this introduction means we are getting more Adam Warlock to grow into the one we know.

Doesn't that scare you, though, that the long game, though, from a character James Gunn introduced is not going to be in the long game with James Gunn? It worries me only in that I think Will Polter was cast for James Gunn's vision, and I hope that he gets to, like, plant a seed. Or Will Polter gets enough clout in his performance that he gets to shape that. Yeah. Yeah, I totally get that. And I know about Magus, and I know that. but that's why I was just like, it's specifically, Drax is ignorant.

Right. But Drax is still an adult. Sure. He literally felt like a child. And again, I get the idea of you hatched him too soon. And maybe that's what they were trying to use as he speaks to do that. But right,

but I guess just for me, I think of vision. Vision was born literally yesterday and is still really smart, but is ignorant to the ways of the world. I'm not saying make him robotic. I'm not saying like you have to make him drive. I'm just saying there was a level of him straight up. acting like he's a five-year-old.

He also didn't give a crap on his mom died, too. He didn't care. He just tried. Right, but he didn't even brought it. He didn't seem very emotionally broken up about it. Yeah, I mean, if you're a childy, right? I don't disagree.

Adam Warlock is the only thing that, like, I'd give this a 4-8, 4-9, it would be a five. And like, like, it's that good, but the Adamor-Rlock stuff didn't all land for me. What do you think about Zubilee-Zoo? The, uh, the, uh, the animal people. Oh, the little, like, furry guy? No, no, yeah.

Zubly-Zoo was a, was a, was a, was a show. It was this kid show back in the day, and they were all animal people. And like all those people. Oh, like the counter earth people? Zip. Zip. That was those are kids. But like, yeah, but like the, but yeah, I thought that scene, even though I, I know there's just so much you have to show in a trailer.

I get it. But I just, there's so much stuff. Like they showed that whole scene with the ball in the face. And I was like, oh, I wish I didn't see that. Part of the reason why I wish they hadn't done that too is because you had just come from them breaking into the science facility. Right. and we kept being teased, someone's probably going to die. I saw Drax get shot, and I was like, no, because Drax has to throw the ball.

Right. So he's not going to die here, but something's going to happen. Yeah, I thought that they did really well in the trailer, though, was when they show, and I think it was a nice team. This is why guns are really smart. Guns are really smart, and I'm sure he had a lot to do with me. A lot of times the trailers, people will do the trailer, but someone at gun's stature will have a lot of say of what's in the trailer. but Gunn's really smart because he's like, now leave that scream with Chris Pratt in there.

And the carrying him out drunk? Good God was that genius. Because they're going to think their Rockets dead. Yeah. That's what they're going to think. So keep the scream in there and let them complain that, oh, they're showing us clearly Rockets going to die. That was intentional.

And it was done very, very, it was very smart. I didn't mind that that scream was in there because I was expecting it. And I'm going, is they going to show he's going to die? But then after he like, after they went through all this and the way they, I was like, they're not going to kill him now. There's just no, there's no way they're going to let him die now. But it was still, putting that scream in there was really smart.

That's when I thought they were all going to die. When Rocket came back and then they were on the exploding ship, I was like, they're killing all the guardians. Like I, since he came back, I thought it was all or nothing. No, no, I thought it was going to be a situation where they were going to ultimately end up sacrificing themselves to save. All of them? Yeah. You think they were going to end that for that way with kids? It was, well, when you, when you throw in the train.

and you throw how emotionally drawn in this was and you throw in the fact that they kept making mistakes of like, okay, we got out, but why are you on the ship? I thought it was ultimately going to be like, this dude is so strong. It's going to be a situation. We got to go down with the ship to take him out. The only time that I thought maybe was the Starlord space thing.

I said maybe. Then they might kill Star Lord, yeah. Yeah, because I was like, well, but the same reason that I think that he's going to be sticking around in new more movies is like he hasn't talked much about, is this the end or not for him. So maybe he was holding it in. And then his face exploded.

at one point and I'm like, oh, that's brutal. But then at that same point, I go, well, wait a minute, where's Gamora? It's the first thing I thought. I was like, is Gomorrah going to save him? And then I was like, and then I thought right, like, seconds before, I'm like, where's Warlock? Yeah.

But that's why I knew it was going to be Warlock, other than the fact that he's shown he can fly through space without any issue, was because you just had the situation with Groot saving him. Like, why did you do it? And he said, he says because everyone deserves a second change. Yeah, right. I was like, they're going to do this right now

because we're not going to see these characters. again, maybe ever, but for a long time. It worked together, and it was about them all coming together and all helping each other out. And like, Mantis and Nebula and Drax have that wonderful moment with the kids. You know, Camorra has a great moment with Star Lord, as you just mentioned beforehand.

The moment with both James Gunn's brother and, and, Cosmo. Cosmo, so, so good, the way that they play all that stuff. Called that, though. When he finally figured out the arrow, I was like, the only, only way that the good dog thing is going to come is Cosmo's going to save him. And right when he missed with the arrow and I was like, oh, he's about to, it's like, what, a dog?

He goes, nah, she a good dog. I was like, oh, and you know, a moment was really funny that as much as we said, you know, there's a lot of warlock stuff. So the warlock comedy stuff did work, even though you don't like the characters. One of the funniest moments, subtle moments was when he's kicking everyone's ass in the beginning and they shoot the whistle out of him and hits him in the head. He goes, who threw something out of me? You are a child.

You are a toddler. It's hilarious. That was a good way to blend both of it. And then the idea of when Rocket gets shot, it's like, it's serious, you know? And then pushing, and then having that, I wasn't sure, like I like Nathan Phileon, right? I do.

But when you put him in there, I was like, it's just kind of like fan service to put Nathan Philly in there because he's supposed to he's been in, you know, he voiced one of the characters before you, like something in second guard. And the first one of the big, one of the big beast that catches. Yeah, right, right, right. And I was like, you know,

and people always want to kind of seem in this. Like, how's this going to work? And it worked well because it was that classic James Gunn, Guardian's humor of like, I feel he is, this guy's an idiot too. That was my favorite part. Is him over here being like, I got, I got, and he kept bringing it up. And he kept coming back with any excuse he had to make fun of that, dude. He's like, just as strangers.

Like, yeah, no, idiots. I thought you meant something else. It really really worked for me because of the, like, usually repetitive jokes don't land for me. Like family guys stuff. I'm like, but like this repetition landed. It's so funny. It worked.

But it also, as opposed to a. lot of things again in my opinion guardians too it was placed in at the right moment like there and as i mentioned and rewatching guardians too like their their emotional moments definitely hit in guardians too but the emotional moments in this movie to me was far exceeded anything that i've seen in and to me this is the best this is the best marvel movie i've seen in a while i have to i have to watch it again but i would say either since no way home or even end game you know because I think there's a lot of stuff that I love about No Way Home. It's a great movie, and there's a lot of emotional moments in that movie.

But I don't know, man. This movie was pretty special, and I think it's also because I've always liked Spider-Man. Yeah, it's hard to separate that. But Guardians, I not have always loved. Right, so it's even more special. Like, I loved this movie. Yeah, I loved it, too. I'll tell you probably the other reason why it's hitting you a little differently.

With Spider-Man, again, there's a gimmick involved. That's 20 years. Right, because of different actors and stuff that are in it. So you're bringing it a lot in. It doesn't make it not a good movie, but there's stuff there. Same thing with Endgame. It's like a cheap pop in wrestling. Yeah.

And same thing with Infinity War and Endgame. It's not that they're not good movies and it's not that those emotional beats don't hit, but you're talking again a 10-year, 20-plus movie. It's a season finale. Versus this while also being a season finale, also wrapping up a trilogy, because it's on a smaller scale and it's more contained, you're a little more jacked in than the grand scope of we have all hundred superheroes as the Avengers fighting. us right now. It's the end of a three movie arc as opposed to

20 years of Spider-Man or whatever. All these movies connected to MCU. You know, it's a very valid point. And I think that it's just a, I don't know, it's just, I think that, and I've also every project now recently of James Gunn that I've been seen with his writing, like his sense of humor is fantastic. His sense of music is wonderful. Like I, like to me, the Suicide Squad was one of my favorite, if not my favorite comic movie of the year that that year was it was so good i loved peacemaker and i liked how he can

balance down and this is why i think dc fans should start to have a lot of hope pun intended that it's like it's one of these things where he can go into that full rated r zone in the suicide squad keep that zone for peacemaker scale it down to here for guardians oh by the way in the guardians one of the lines even i even looked at my 11 year old daughter yeah And I was just like, and I was when the Camorres or Nebula was trying to figure out the car door. And he's like, push the button. And she said, you're pushing the keyhole. Push that one.

And then he's like, she said, what do now? Open the. In the car. Hilarious. So good. I saw a news report today about that, about Chris Pratt, you know, makes history for Marvel. Is that the first F bomb in MCU? Apparently the first F bomb was supposed.

supposed to be Downey Jr. It was supposed to be the final moment in end game right before the snap. It was originally supposed to be Thanos and then snap. It was avoided the whole thing with person. Let's take it again.

Let me do this. Where is it? Okay. Okay. Hold on me, go. Okay, so originally you got that whole buildup to end game and right at the end. The original line, apparently it was supposed to be Downey Jr. Puck up the

and he goes, And that was that it was supposed to be. Perfect. It was the Bill Burr cut just now. Even better. But yeah. Stupid ass car. I like the way it landed,

but I also think that would have been a beautiful first half bomb. But that was the other thing that I needed is I need all of the guardians at one point to be stupid. I don't think you did that with Rocket because obviously this was a little too emotional for him to do that. But everybody else, that was Nebula's dumb moment because she has one. Remember in the second one, the whole thing is like,

hungry, give me the root. It's not ripe yet. Everyone tells her it's not ripe yet. It's not ripe yet. They keep taking it. it from her. Then she captures Rocket and she goes, yeah, I'll show you what to do. It's not right

yet. Like, so the car moment was that for her. It was. And she, and even like oh, in another great moment from Drak, so Potee was just so good in this movie. But like when what is, what's he eating? No, what's he eating? Oh, the Zardnuts? Oh, there's none left. He's just done left. He's so good. He's really, really good. And the Zardnuts landing from the

joke that almost worked for me in Infinity War, like the Paws joke. Those were the Zard Nuts. So I love that we landed the Zard Nuts joke. He did. it though he acknowledged it on the couch he goes because remember that couch that couch bit was hilarious and he's like Drax I can see you he's just

he's shaped off long minute it doesn't make sense well because and that was the type of balance to me in the typical James gun setting that like it was let's focus what's the actual intent to talk to the Zubilee Zoo people and find out like you know what's happening

and all that but let's throw some jokes in there and the jokes fit at the time because it's it's drags being drags and it worked. But I will say, kind of spinning this into, I don't want to, and I'm, and I've already talked about how he's changed his tone and he will, I don't want to see that kind of humor in Superman. I really don't. I don't think we're going to. I don't think so either, but I don't. This is a testament to his evolution. If you look at his work over the last 10 years, he's only gotten better. Right. And you look at the directing of Warlock. That's Superman flying, man.

There's so much beautiful action there. If you look at his, his sentimentality and tone, I think that the way he's described Superman this week or yesterday, even he said, as of recording, He said he wants someone that, like, you want to hug. Like, all of that sentimentality, I think, is going to play. And then I also think the way he's approaching, like you just said, that PG-13 line, we're going to get a Superman that's unique to the space. Exactly. That's going to be Superman.

So I think, honestly, DC fan should be doing Victory Labs. I don't know how you would make that humor work in Superman. I can't even, because in order for that humor. But that's what I'm doing. But no, not even, like, yes, he's kind of a goofball, but he's not involved. He's not, right, and he's not involved enough with Superman. Right. Whereas, like, Peacemaker, it makes sense because peacemaker's an idiot.

And so, but I mean less about not just the, not just like the kind of adult humor, but I mean more so about like people are in the middle of talking about something. And then there's a, there's a thing that they're focused on. And then it goes into this kind of joking thing. Because he does that. He does that in peacemaker. He does it in suicide. But those characters make sense to do that. I know.

That's what I'm saying. That's why I don't want to see it. No, no, no. I get you. I'm just saying I don't even know how he would broach that. Because what character in that universe would ever be that way, unless you're going to do the whole. And now that I've watched Superman, I hated that element of those movies was the Otis. I was like, and Lex Luthor's an idiot too?

Otis. Otis. I went Otisburg. Yeah. Otisberg? Otisberg! I love Otis. Of course you do.

Of course. Ned Beattie, man. Otisberg. Gene Hackman's so good in that. He doesn't want him to take his cape, Miss Luther. All right, what do we miss? Anything else that we miss? Oh, High Evolutionary.

We didn't talk about him at all. No, we haven't talked about him enough at all. Yeah, that's right. We have to talk about it. He was, that's right, because we just had shot the non-spoiler. So High Evolutionary was a great villain. I mean, a great villain showed his kind of insanity. And like I said in the non-spoiler, and Winston made a good point.

And I understand that his insanity is kind of what led him to do all the screaming. I just thought that because of the performance was so solid that he didn't need to scream as much as he did. I get kind of why he did, but maybe he just kind of cut back. I think it's more of a James Gunn thing than anything else. I think it also led to, to be honest with you, if you don't have him be a tyrant, if you don't have him be not on the, like, anywhere, the, the mutiny makes no sense. He has to be at a stage. Abusive to his people, he's making no sense.

Abusive and yelling is different, though. No, no, no, I understand that. But to the point where they're like, he is not, it's not just abusive. He's not, he's completely unstable. Everyone is literally going to die. Right. You need to let it go. They're letting him.

You have to make him. Sure. But you're talking about when that one particular moment. Sure. He screams a lot, dude. You can count how many, how many? Sometimes he's just like, do you want any peanuts? No!

You don't need to scream there. But I thought overall, he was fantastic. He was a good villain because what we always say about villains in general, right? Does the villain believe in his cause and think that his cause is the right cause? And the answer is a resounding 100%. Yes. Like from starting his own civilizations, the fact that we found out that he's the one who created the...

Counter Earth? No, no, no. Not Counter Earth, but the main kind of... Oh, the Sovereign. Yeah. He created the sovereign. And then we get that kind of reveal

and that's where Warlock comes from and all that. And the reason why, and he has like this viciousness to him and especially now that we've no rocket ripped off his face, you know? And like there's this moment that he's got with Rocket for like a split second.

Like, oh, maybe he's kind when they're sitting outside and he's talking to a little rocket and he's having a conversation with him, you realize, well, that was short-lived. If it, if it helped, you at all. I know that we're bouncing a decent amount back and forth between the past and the future. I know what you're saying about the screaming. He only screams,

I want to say once or twice in the past, and it's once when he's clearly, it looks like he's drunk trying to find Rocket in the cage. And then another one when he's like, how did you know? Like, how did you know that that was the thing that fixed it? Because all of a sudden for him, the high evolutionary being the top of the food chain, being like, how did you do this?

And you're my creation. So that's the beginning of his instability. All the rest of it, it's always when people screw up. So when Adam Warlock didn't bring him back, when it's like, give me my property. Like, that's when he, like, if it helps, but I don't know. But I know, it's just, I understand why the rage was there. I just thought

that when he was, because I thought he was one of the best villains in a long time, it just was so much more effective to me when he was like menacing. And he was, it's like your dad when you're, you know, when you're driving in the car and you're screwing around in the back seat and he turns around and he goes,

I said, stop. Not Madam disappointed. Yes. I agree but to me the reason why that comes from Thanos is because Thanos is actually living in this state of pure confidence. This dude is so insecure that that's where, that's to me

why the screaming makes sense and I didn't bother me because I was like he is clearly so insecure because he thinks that he is perfect and this is not the case. I get it. I think it's going to be a, this is definitely going to be a me thing. I don't think there's going to be a lot of people that are complaining about that. Also from a filmmaking standpoint, you're cutting from

insane traumatic flashbacks to bombastic action, I think the yelling might have also been like you need to keep that energy. And I know that this feels way scarier, but I think you also need that external when you've got like explosions all around. Sure. There's a physicalness. I didn't mind like

85% of the screaming. It was the additional 15 that was like, it's like, because like when I started to predict when the screen was coming, that was when I was like, all right, he's going to scream right now. And he started screaming. I was like, I wish I can predict that. it because you want it to feel like it's just

naturally like coming out. Yeah, I guess the other part that maybe this is why I just jacked into it so much and the screaming never phased me is other than that insecurity, I have been in a nightmare boss scenario and he was always cussing out

his underlings and I've literally been at a point where like I was having panic attacks at work because his boss was so bad and you didn't know what the, because if you notice one of the times when someone had to deliver bad news they were like, oh, so is that hired? Right, because he knew a good. he's going to really go after them.

Yeah. Couldn't hold that in. Last bit about High Evolution, I want to say is that I love that they built an entire world to destroy it. And the intense trauma of that made Thanos is like the Thanos was right people. I love that they evolved that into someone like more cruel, more cold. And the way the High Evolutionary destroyed a whole planet was so dismissive. Oh, you didn't even hear.

And the way they didn't. I love that the film didn't. like they show people exploding dramatically as like a war and as their reaction but they didn't let you mourn them they had to go to the next thing and it was almost flippant too because then you're like I feel that like oh my God we're on to the next thing and I love the pacing and the third act like Marvel has

third act problems I think this is one of their strongest third acts I do too and I think especially like you know and again I know that it doesn't mean that they solved a big problem but can you know when you look at movies like Thor love and thunder and I know people are split on the multiverse

of Madness and Quantum Mania. And I think that we all agree that Black Panther, the second one was the most solid one that they've done in a while. But this one just felt the most like a phase one and two movie. The Marvel Magic was back. Yeah. That theater. The only reason I think that Wakanda forever throws us off and we've talked about this

is because, yes, the story was about Morning Chattowick, but you felt the loss of Chattel. Like something with that, that was missing. That was missing. Of course. It was only as much that they could do. That's, to me, that is what made the difference between a Wakanda Forever and this is that obviously you can't avoid death in real life. What are you going to do about that?

But everything was there. And so to be able to close it out, it kind of cooked a little bit different. And you're right. The magic was there because you felt like all the pieces were. They were all there. Yeah. And that all combines as well with just what James Gunn did. And James Gunn knew, James Gunn also knew, you know, whatever, how long he was negotiating, whatever it might be from the final edits.

He wanted to do this. And he did. He hit the shot. He walked off the Marvel court. Now he's on the DC court. And so. And we almost never got this movie. Like I forgot about that.

We literally almost never would have received this perfect piece of art. Because it was also much later. Because it was supposed to, if I'm not mistaken, it was supposed to be pretty much as end game was going to wrap up. It was supposed to be like the first thing that we get into for phase four. But because of the firing and then the. And then go to D.C. and then the suicide squad. I'm so glad it happened this way

because I think I needed this break. Reminder. Like, I feel like the magic of Marvel, I know we're acknowledging it's like the hurricane, but it's possible again. I can feel love. But it's possible, but it's also, as you said beforehand, too, we've spent so much time with these characters.

You've got to give us, and we were locked into these characters. The problem that they now face, who are we locked into in Marvel moving forward, right? I'm not saying that there's not possibilities, but there's no one that we're locked into right now, the same way that we were locked. I mean, we're not even locked into as much Dr. Strange as much as we were.

Spider-Man, and we were locked into Spider-Man. And Ant-Man was around the same time as Guardians. And it's been around a while. And that didn't... That's what I'm saying is like, we were invested in Ant-Man. But like, this did all the things

that I wanted Ant-Man to do with no... If no one was going to die, there's a way to do it. I'll tell you part of the reason why, I think with Ant-Man, and we talked about this, you tried to introduce too much. I know like you learned a lot of new things in this film,

but the only real new characters, villains are always going to be new, is Warlock. We already got a tease of... Well, only grew... Evolutionary. Because villains are... Villains are pretty much always going to be new.

You got Cosmo at least a little bit already in this holiday special. So as long as you had that, you got a tip of the hat of that. You already knew all these characters, so like you didn't have to kind of like figured out, but we essentially had to get reintroduced to Cassie completely.

We had to get completely introduced to Hope, or not Hope, to Janet. Right. You're, you are, we already know that King is supposed to be the, for the long term. And if you didn't watch Loki, probably wouldn't know who the hell he was.

So that's a different type of villain because the villains, again, they tend to be the one-off, introduced for the thing, and they're out. Since we know King's going to kind of be around, you had to do that. There was too much trying to give me new information instead of focus on this. And that's the question. And that seems to be a lot of the stuff that they do. Plus,

you know, the, the balance from humor was, like, 80%, like, look at Shee Hulk, 80% humor, 20% plot. And then there's other, like, Thor, 90% humor, 10% plot, right? So now the balance, like, I thought this, this to me was a 50-50 balance. And maybe, actually, I would say 60, I would say even, shit. There we go. 70% I would say was more plot emotion with like 30% even though there was a lot of humor in it it wasn't the focus There was way more trauma than humor and it was like 70% trauma I agree with But the levity was always so like needed that it was a release

Yes I'll be honest with you I think that that you saying that that's why it worked I think if you had leaned even more into like say Jane and her cancer Yes right I think that that would have potentially maybe helped Ballard because because again when he did it at the end it was fine. Perhaps some god butchering. Right. You started so dark with this movie

because you start with Starlords are drunk, Rockets lost in his mindset, and then Rockets pretty much dead. You also need to age up the movies to the audience. We have had the 15 year anniversary of Marvel next month and therefore a lot of people that have been with these characters are grown. And so the movies should be grown

sometimes. And there's no reason to take shots of people. So if you're going to play, you know, a 13 year old in the first movie. Don't play a 13 year old in the second movie. All right, moving on. And that brings us to Adam Warlock again in that choice. I do think that, like, as much as I wanted to see the serious Adam Warlock, I don't think a serious Adam Orlock would have worked in this film because it would have been

that O.P. saving them all the time. It would have been someone in the know that could have scooped up Star Lord. Like, those things wouldn't have worked. And I think that James Gunn wanted to use him because he did plant him in the first one. Sure. The sovereign was set up to have him in this. How was he planted in the first one? There's a cocoon in the first film.

Oh, okay. There is. In the... In the first film, there's... In nowhere? Yeah. But see, that doesn't make any sense. Because then... The sovereign introduced, we don't know how long he has to cook.

Sovereign introduced in the second movie. No, no, no, the sovereign was the second movie. Maybe the cocoon's in the second movie. It's in the second because she even goes, I'll call him Atom. So, sorry, my timelines meant. But like, we have the long game where I think maybe he wanted to bring him in the first. Either way, James Gunnas wanted to do this. I think if he was the one we know from the comics,

it would have thrown off every. everything else so much that it would have been a bad idea. And it would have been hard for him to beat it. Right. But if you're going to do that, there's, I think a better explanation than we cracked it open early. What if that initial fight with the Guardians where he's whooping their ass, but like he ultimately gets beat if like it completely wipes his memory or something?

Like, you know what I'm saying? Give me a reason why like his personality genuinely doesn't make sense other than just like, eh, you made him a child. Like, I don't know. It just, it didn't, it wasn't a good of enough reason for him to act like that the entire time. If the fight put him beyond recognition and they had to reboot, I don't know. It just didn't work for me, but that's me.

But again, such, it seems like all three of us. We have one tiny thing. We have one little thing. Like, we all agree this is a really fantastic movie. Very curious to what you guys think, though. We're not assuming that everybody loved the movie. There are a bunch of our peers that we saw that didn't necessarily like the movie. Some people thought it was too dark.

Some people thought that the balance wasn't there. So where do you guys stand? weird did you like guardians three where does it stand as far as all three did you think it was a good time top 10 MCU both you it's it's it's hard for me to say because it's so um you know um I'm in the moment of it right now so it's like does it the recency bias I would say yes because I loved it okay like I'd have to go I don't have a lot of four nine so I was just wondering I need to recatalogue okay I don't I haven't taken the time to really sit and think on a lot of these movies because a lot of them I've seen once and never come back to,

and I think that that, not that that would affect it one way or the other, but I got to be like, okay, how does Winter Soldier, how does Civil War, how does the original Black Panther still play for me? And I do have to be, and like,

I love seeing movies with my, with my oldest, right? Because I, as I said, I watched the movies kind of through her eyes and stuff too, but it's like, I also, you know, when you're 11 years old, there's certain things.

Like we saw Aunt Man together, and like I said, when I came out of that reaction, I was like, not everybody's all of this movie. I still, I like the science fiction of it. I thought the end,

was messy and sloppy and all that stuff too but for her she was just like whoa the spectac love at all and then with that she was just yesterday when watching this or when we watched this movie she was just emotional she felt the stories and she really loved guardians it was a school night for her you know so like I was I had I had to do some that explains that you left so quick well I had to do some negotiating with the with the wife to get her there in the first place because it was a school night and she was way past her bedtime but she loves the guardians movies like she loves one and two and I was like I got to get her to this one I mean I got to get her to see it and and and she could start on her friends in school.

She saw that. She saw that. Early. I know. I know. So anyway, so that's our spoiler-heavy review of Guardiansions of the Galaxy, Volume 3. Very interested, once again, to hear everybody's thoughts. So make sure you check it out.

Look, speaking of checking it out, on June 24th, we're going to be in Stanford, Connecticut. It's going to be myself and Mark Ellis, Corey and Martin from Double-Tosted at the New York Comedy Club in Stanford. Connecticut, but on June 23rd, if you like Winston and Coy, and who doesn't? Come on out to Manhattan, June 23rd. Tickets are on sale for both shows at the Christianharlov.com. I get all these people, man, telling me East Coast, East Coast, you got to get to New York. You got to get to New York. When are you coming to New York? Well, we're coming to New York. So if you don't show up, you dead to me. So, anyway, let's say goodbye. First of all, Coy, where can they find you? All over the internet at Coy Johnro

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