The Kristian Harloff Show - Is Madame Web really THAT bad?!

Episode Date: February 17, 2024

Madame Web looks to be one of the biggest misses for the Sony Spider-verse. A new report has it doing even lower at the box office than expected. Is it eally that bad? What went wrong with this new version of Sony's attempt at a new franchise? In positive news, The Fantastic Four train is moving and we officially have a cast. Who will play Dr. Doom? Deadpool and Wolverine set the record for a tariler as most watched. Is this a good sign for the fil to actually put Marvel and the MCU on the right track? Joker 2 is this year and Todd Philps gave us a hint on whne we will see the trailer. Rachel Brosnohan talks Lois Lane. This and more on this LIVE episode of Capes and Cowls with Kristian Harloff, Winston A. Marshall and Coy Jandreau! #deadpool3 #deadpoolandolverine #spiderman #madameweb #review #superman #dc #dcu #mcu #marvel OUR SPONSORS: FUM: Start the year off right with The Good Habit by going to http://www.TryFum.com/BIGTHING and getting the Journey pack today. Füm is giving listeners of the show 10% off when they use my code "BIGTHING" to help make starting The Good Habit that much easier. BLUE CHEW: BlueChew wants to help you have better sex! Discover your options at http://www.BlueChew.com. Chew it and do it! ROCKET MONEY: Stop wasting money on things you don't use. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to http://www.RocketMoney.com/BIGTHING ZBIOTICS: Go to http://www.zbiotics.com/BIGTHING to get 15% off your first order when you use BIGTHING at checkout. ZBiotics is backed with 100% money back guarantee so if you're unsatisfied for any reason, they'll refund your money, no questions asked. FUM: Start the year off right with The Good Habit by going to http://www.TryFum.com/BIGTHING and getting the Journey pack today. Füm is giving listeners of the show 10% off when they use my code "BIGTHING" to help make starting The Good Habit that much easier. PATREON: Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-... FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls...

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Ask for Dave Gillum. This is deja vu. Not for me. Well, no, not for you. For me. Yeah. Why? Well, we did this show yesterday.

And we had a lot of great topics. There's a few more topics that came up today. But what had happened was I was doing, you know, we have this new program that we've been using this pretty good. I don't need you stream yard right now when I'm doing live shows. And that might stop as well once I figure out how to use the new program with streaming, which shouldn't be too hard. However, I haven't done that yet. But the new program that people have been liking, people have been commenting on it and digging it. I have to put a setting to make sure that it doesn't do this echo sound.

So it did that. However, I adjusted the wrong one and didn't realize it until it was too late. Because Koi and I did the show and we could hear each other the whole time when we were talking. But what I didn't realize is that you guys couldn't hear me. So 45 minutes into the show, I noticed it. And I tried to Frankenstein it together. Sounded ridiculous. However, I did put it on Patreon.

And apparently everybody loves it on Patreon. So, I mean, it's, it literally is just Koi talking. Now, I know you're going to say, what's the difference? Stop it. Stop it. Koi had some fantastic points. He had some great points. There's a lot of fun.

It was a great conversation. So you can actually just hear all of Koi's points on the Patreon episode. They might not make a lot of sense as far as the context of what's he responding to. And then there's a few just like him going, yeah, uh-huh. And then he laughs and then it cuts into another point. It's a ridiculous episode and very fun to watching and watch it on Patreon. But luckily for us, Winston was available today. So I said, hey, why don't we just do a live episode?

So that's what we're going to do. So the live episode today we will cover. It looks like Madame Webb is going to be even more of a stinker at the box office than they thought it was initially going to be. Is it really that bad? Coy didn't even want to deal with it. Coy's camera just cut out and he left the stream. That's how bad.

You don't know I'm dealing anymore. He's left. So we'll see if we get him back. Joker 2 is coming out. And Todd Phillips talked about that. Fantastic 4. has a cast. Lois Lane, Rachel Brosnahan

is talking about the role. That's exciting. So we got a lot to talk about. That's just a few things. X-Men, 97, that that trailer dropped. Invincible dropped. I mean, there's tons of stuff, guys. Tons of stuff.

And because we're live, we're going to take questions from you guys. We always do the live show on Mondays, but we never really do a CAPE. Winston and I did a CAPES a couple weeks back, but the three of us never do it. So now is your chance to start throwing in questions. We are going to be here until the end, until we get the very last question. So start throwing them in now. Apple Podcasts, Spotify, anywhere podcasts are found. Make sure you do that.

Join the Patreon. You get more exclusive, silly episodes like we did last night, and we get certain goals when we hit them. So that's about it. Let's get to it. It's capes and cows. It's me. It's Winston. It's Coy, Jandro. The gang is together. Kind of. But yeah, we are. Here we go. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen two capes and cows the live edition it's myself it is winston it is coy jondro back again i think i put you over here there you go perfect i like it um coy i was just talking about him in the episode you got i got to send you the link for patron it's so ridiculous i'm really curious what it sounds like me monologuing with the occasional like muted interruption because the conversation was a dialogue and it was great and uh well half of it's available for you i tried i

I tried, as I was going through it, I'm like, you know, maybe I can cut together me. I can cut myself doing a new thing where I'm asking you the questions and kind of Frankenstining it together. And I'm like, this, it will take me by the time, it'll take me like 12 hours to do this. And I was, thank God, Winston, you were available to do this today. So we just do a full episode. But you didn't see. The biggest week of news, too.

It's like we got Deadpool, we got the Fantastic Four. We got X-Men. It's a lot. And then that's not the time to add it a Frost Nixon together. Look, it's, it's, I'll be honest. my fault, man. Like, I discovered last year with fantasy football that when a bunch of collusion tried to happen against

me from everybody else in the league, I unleashed my own Scarlet Witch like Brother Voodoo like powers, and I just reality warped stuff. So without meaning to, while I was on set yesterday, I screwed up all the audio and messed up the episode. So I had to be here for this week's episode. I wasn't going to let you talk about the fantastic forecasting.

I mean, that's bullshit. We've only been like, you know, waiting for an official confirmation six months of a cast we already knew. I don't know. I saw a strange comment that said, are you doing a full episode of Madam Webb? God, no. Why don't we do that? Madame Weeb. Yeah, no, someone said, why are you doing a full episode of Madame Webb?

Guys, we got to do that spoiler talk on Monday for the seven people. No, thank you. Who in the world said we were doing a full episode on Madam Webb? Take it easy. But we are going to talk about, because we're going to do the same thing we did yesterday, which was we started it off with one negative and then we got into a bunch of positives. Winston, did you wind up going to see this movie?

No, right? No, I am very excited, though. We've decided because we didn't have, I've been on set this week, so we're spending Valentine's Day tomorrow. We're doing it tomorrow. And we've already decided after we do all the fun stuff, we're going to go get high and watch Madame Webb

because it's terrible. But here's the unfortunate thing. It's not one of those movies, though. whether you're like, it's so bad, it's good. It's just, it's just dull. It's a dull movie. It's not, it's not one of those movies. You're like, wow, my God, I can't believe it's cats level bad.

People, I saw people saying like, cats are cats of the superhero movies. That's what I heard. It's not. It's just really, it's very poorly written. It's very poorly written. So the question I asked myself and asked you guys in this thumbnail and is it that bad. Yeah, it is that bad.

But it's not like, I didn't sit there going, oh, when is this going to end? Oh, my God. just like, when is something going to happen? That's really what it was. It's one of the most, I'd actually love to see the script because it's one of the most interesting uses of descriptive exposition from the character themselves

I've ever seen. It's like the audience isn't trusted with normal day-to-day knowledge, like, hello, I'm going to blah, blah, blah. And it's like them actively blah, blah, blah, whatever that is. And then dialogue of just like a conversation. And every time there's like an Easter

It's really interesting. There's, there's a lot of, like, references to Uncle Ben's future, but it all is so tongue in cheek. It just makes all the characters sound like they're having, like, a mild stroke. It's really weird as a, as a movie just as, like, a writing exercise. I'm, I'm not sure how it exists. And I'm usually pretty generous with loving everything. And I don't blame, uh, any one person, especially not the actresses, because I feel like they did what they could. But it's just such a failure to movie, even beyond the comment. book genre. It's not like a movie. It's like someone wrote a first draft of a play. Wait, wait, did you just go full Harry Styles? It's like a movie that you go to the cinema and you sit down and you watch it like a movie.

Yeah, no, it's, you know what it is. I was said it in the comments too. It's like, and we talked about this yesterday, Coy, is that why in the world, and I think I answered my own question yesterday, why you would hire the writers for Morbius to do this when you're trying to show. that you're really putting effort into this, and they have shown that they don't know this genre very well, and it's lazy writing, it's bad writing, dialogue's really bad. What it is to me, and the reference that I used, it's like when you have, when you're living in an apartment

and your laundry machine breaks down, and you're like, okay, look, I got to call the landlord here. This thing's not working. So he sends the repair guy out. And it's like, well, you could either keep fixing the same part over and over and over again and spending way more money than you would to just buy a new machine. And that's what these writers are. They're just the faulty part of a washing machine.

And it's like get rid of that washing machine because it ain't working. Buy a brand new one. And then it'll be pretty good if you get the right washing machine. I just, I think the part that's like really sad is like I'm never advocating for someone to like lose their job or anything like that. No, get another job. But I, but I, based off of what you're talking about, I'm sure you also saw this online too where somebody pulled their

credit history and so you're talking about writers that wrote Dracula untold Last Witch Hunter, Gods of Egypt, the Power Rangers reboot, Morbius and now this. So it's very clear you're not good at your job. The Power Rangers was their

citizen Kane because that movie wasn't that bad. It wasn't that bad but it just didn't slap at the box office. They clearly did not do what they needed to do. And could have been any number of things that did that, but it clearly just didn't hit. And so when you throw it in with everything else,

at what point does somebody need to go? That's the studio, because you know what it is? I've been there before. I've sat in the offices where they've done this before. Who do we hire? Well, we hire the guys that can go really fast, and that can turn around scripts like that,

that they're not that expensive, and they can work. And they have good relationship with the studio. So, like, hey, can you guys do this? Sure. Boom, here you go. And it's like, great, let's shoot it. And it's like, because they don't

cost a lot of money probably or not reasonable enough. They can turn things around quick and that's why writers get hired when they can move like that and they can toss things out but you're exactly right. But look at the receipts. They're not good receipts. They're terrible. And what's interesting is

it clearly didn't need to be set when it was. So it also kind of feels like it was a first draft in the sense of we decided to make this the early 2000s like was it written then and they just sat on it for 20 years? Because there was no, I mean, there was a Beyonce poster

and the use of toxic. Otherwise, and those things can be today. I just, it was a really odd choice to be this is 2003. It didn't tie into any, any Spider-Man. It didn't, like, it wouldn't have worked for Tom because he'd have been 13 instead of 15. It didn't work for Andrew

because it doesn't time up with his chronology of the original Amazing Spider-Rand. So, it's just a lot of odd choices like that that felt like someone wrote in ink that should have written in pencil. Like, some of the concepts are, interesting, like the idea of a spider sense that goes so far that it can be kind of prophetic and that would lead to someone trying to prevent something and then, you know, like the butterfly

effective things. That could be an interesting way to do a final destination story with superheroes, but they didn't do that. It just kind of like things just kept happening on screen and none of the things happening on screen were either that interesting or that super heroic. There's a lot more time of girls talking about not very interesting things even to the people on screen. Like there's a lot of scenes that feel like they're the scenes between scenes. And I felt bad for the actresses because they were doing what they could with dialogue, but what do you do with talking about nothing? Yeah, I know.

It's true. And look, there's so many things that were wrong about this. And the performances, like, we talked about this with the directing. There's a lot of times where you can say, okay, look, and I brought up yesterday, Gavin Hood, who Gavin Hood was a. director, back in like 2000, I think it was five, 2006, he worked on a film called SOTC, which if you haven't seen it, it is a brilliant little film. And because of that film, he was getting a lot of buzz around the studios. So Fox hired him to do X-Men Wolverine,

X-Men Origins, right? So when you hear that, you go, ooh, right? And from everything that I heard, he was bullied in a way that, like, make, what I mean by that is do your, this is the movie that you're going to do. You got to make this movie. You don't have a lot of experience You got to listen to us, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then a big, that stinker came out. And I don't even know what he's been doing lately. I haven't heard a lot of it. He had a lot of promise, right? Now, the reverse of that, sometimes I think we will just right away go, oh, well, the studio must have bullied them or the studio must have done this.

I don't know if that's the case with this movie, because there's some things that happened in this movie that are just bad directing. There's one, there's one particular scene where quick spoilers, guys, for Madame Webb, you've been warned. I can't even do this. Right. So they have, they're like one of the, the villain, which is one of the worst villains ever, he's chasing the girls and Madame Webb in the subway. And he's got them right there. They're right there.

His whole goal is to get these girls because they're going to get them in the future. They're right there. So what does he do? He starts beating up the cops. They're right there. And then he's so then when he does do that, and he's beating up the cops. One of the girls looks and goes,

it's so stupid. And it's like, why did you put that shot in there? Why is that in there? This is, that's just one of many different instances. And the whole movie's weirdly ADR. Like,

I think that the, I've never seen a villain have more ADR in a movie. I've literally like never seen it where there isn't a scene of him talking, I don't think. Like, I don't think there's a single scene

where his lips lined up with his speech. And then there's also added in ADR where they add in mustache twirling lines of like, I'm blah, blah, blah, that's what I'm paying you for. And then it's like, they cut to a way and they go, paying you a lot of money. And it's, and it's just really odd choices where I don't know if there's a tone to this film. And one of the things I was really excited about from the trailers, it felt like the tone of a movie that was like a late 90s, or least 2000s blockbuster pick. Like, this went straight to DVD. It's going to be a fun,

like, you know, bad time. And I really liked the tone of 2000s blockbuster movies. But this wasn't that. It just was a hodgepodge of tones that felt like it was put together in a blender. And then at no point, was there any closure or any validation or any, I don't, I didn't feel. And that's not acceptable. Well, you're not going to get a lot of validation in this movie at all because it's losing grip on the box office during its second day in the theaters. And it says, this is from comic book movie. It may struggle to even make $20 million this opening weekend. Madam Webb is proving to be powerless at the box office during its six day opening. And if the latest figures are to be believed, it might not even make 20 million by the

time the weekend's over. After an underwhelming $6.5 million on opening day, things went from bad to worse for Madam Webb on Thursday. According to deadline, Sony Pictures latest Marvel movie webbed up a similarly disappointing $2.15 million during its second day in theaters. Wow, that's bad. 64% drop on day two, and that doesn't bode well for a six-day opening. In fact, the trade is even unsure if Madam Webb will even make 20 million by the time the weekend's over. It's almost halfway there, with 8.2, but word of mouth is dire, and it seems that most moviegoers are going to see Bob Marley one love instead. As they should. What's that?

As they should. As they should, as compared to the two of them, for sure. Sony Pictures appears to have given up on promoting the movie as the official Madam Web account on X. Hasn't posted anything since February 13th. Wow. That's crazy. Aside from a few reposts,

the main account has stayed silent since February 6th. With the studio saying, fuck it. Still, the studio expects a $27 million holiday opening weekend, and we guess we'll ultimately end up on a good $5 million beneath that. Even if Madam Webb somehow exceeds expectations, though, it'll still be $12 million beneath Morbius three days in 2020. And then Sony's going to keep a close eye on how Venom 3 and craving the 100 perform later this year,

should they also fail? Then it would be time for the studio to go back to their drawing board and start over with its Marvel offerings before the brand is damaged beyond repair, if it isn't already. While everyone seems to agree that Madam Webb sucks, that's bad. It slipped to 14% now on Rotten Tomatoes, making it one of the worst reviewed comic book movies ever.

At least there are some fans out there asking the important questions. I don't know. Dude. The worst part is that I was online yesterday, and I was like, I don't open up Facebook very often. I go just to check to see if there's events. And I see a homie of mine, a good homie of mine. He's like, y'all, you got to get out in the theaters.

Your boys officially the MCU. You got to go see my damn web. I say, bitch, what? I feel really bad because I want my homie to do well. But I was like, first of all, you're not in the MCU. You are very far from the MCU. And second of all, just don't, I know you're excited. You're in a feature film in theaters.

Don't talk about this. I know. It's just so. Even the studio's like, forget it. Forget it. I can't believe their own Twitter is like, nah. We don't have time to retweet. Good for them.

At this point, good for them. They know that it stinks. Move on, moving on. But I'll say it like, and someone mentioned in the comments just now, and I was going to bring up the same point. How often are the critics and the audience on the same page? Like on Rotten Tomatoes, it's usually always the audience score is always, you know, 30, 40% higher. And I just what I actually do think it is that.

still because I think it's like 54% from the audience when it's normally like wow it's bad that it's really bad so and it's it's terrible because like you said Winston you never root for anybody to to fail but it's like it just shows and it goes back to the whole conversation I had with Roxy yesterday Sony does not have a grip on how to do these movies the executives just don't know how to do it they in all honesty and what that is I understand why they haven't let go when you when you have all of these Spider-Man movies did in collaboration with the MCU pulling the money they did and the last one pulling damn near two billion like i get it i understand why you're not trying to loosen the grip on

that but there is a point at which why don't you do what you do best at this point and keep focusing on the animation side of this because what you've done there is incredible and then you can continue to collab with disney but just leave this alone like at this point because they won't they won't no they won't they won't and i i i i say this craven's not going to be good No. Like at this, with this track record. Well,

I like Venom. I think the Venom movies are an absolute blast. I give Spider-Verse a lot of credit because it's a Lord Miller join that's a separate entity altogether. But excluding Spider-Verse because I think those are two

of the best comic movies of all time. I like Venom one and two. I definitely think this was worse than Morbius, but I do think Craven's trailer gave me hope. And it's an R-rated movie from a director that's got a lot of credit.

I think Aaron Taylor Johnson's Craven is not Madam Webb. Like, I think there might not be Spider-Ver's, but it's not Adam Webb. Yeah. So there's a, I hope. I hope.

Yes. Someone asked wasn't the last live Spider-Man movie of box office hit. Yeah, but that wasn't Sony. That was, that was Marvel. It was Marvel. I know Sony gets a lot of the stuff, but it's,

it's an MCU movie. That's why. The last Spider-Man, No Way home, sure, Sony got money for it, but it wasn't, it wasn't,

their, their executives weren't running the charge, because clearly when they are running the charge, you get Michael Keaton in a post-credit scene, that makes no sense at all. And you get these things, then this is the conversation that Koi and I had briefly yesterday was that when it comes to what Koi likes about Venom and Venom 2

is what a lot of people liked about those movies is that it almost felt like a late 90 superhero movie. And that is what they did well box office wise. So they're going to do that. But the problem is the magic wasn't, oh, we're going to make like a kind of cool late 90s movie type thing. It was that the studio executives are making, decisions like late 90s studio executives before the comic book movie genre changed.

And only Tom Hardy knows how to act in that environment. That's right. I think that's the difference. Like, you know what I mean? Like, there is a fun there because once he got in that lobster tank, I was like, oh, Hardy gets it. And Michelle Williams gets it.

And that's why those are unique movies to, I think, the space. But I think Aaron Taylor Johnson might get it. I'm still, I'm hopeful. I mean, he's been in it already in a number of comic book films. So he's at least familiar with the space. Like, I mean, this is Dakota's first outing here. And good for her for being in interviews recently being like, I would totally do a sequel. I'm like, are you sure?

Like, I mean, that's a choice. What does she care for the pair? I mean, she doesn't care. She didn't even, they asked her, Josh Harwitz asked her about like the Spider-Man movies. And he's going, he's like, can you name the three Tom Holland? Spider-Man, here he comes. It was hilarious. It was hilarious.

He's back again. I shouldn't give two shits about this, about this genre. I didn't care. And clearly. And goblit of spider. No, and they didn't care, but they didn't ask her to care. That's the problem also. They didn't ask her to care.

They didn't, hey, listen, we're going to make a movie and we're going to put, it's going to be Andrew Garfield, Spider-Man, so we're going to start doing the math. Oh, no, you know what? Now we're going to make a Tom Holliday. He's more popular. Okay, let's do it. Oh, wait a minute. The math doesn't add up.

We've got to change everything else. So I also don't know where they would have gone in the movie. No. Like watching the movie. I don't know where that would have occurred. No one knows. Why did it have to be from 73 to 2003. made no sense. Ben Parker, why is he even in this movie?

Makes no sense. It's not related. Why's Ben Parker in it? And they never, yeah, I mean, Winston will see it. It doesn't, it doesn't pay off in a way that felt good. Anyway. So, yeah, so the question, Coy, I ask you, by definition, is the movie that bad? By definition, yes, I'd say worse than Morbius. Agreed. Moving on. So I will, I mean, there's so many other stories that it just, you could, that are covered all over the place with this thing. But I just don't know if it's really worth it to talk about.

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if you're ready to get them. I need to prep. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about this, guys, because this is, this is, we've been talking about it forever. And now it's time. Fantastic Four. The cast has been revealed.

We've got Pedro Pescal as Reed Richards. Vanessa Kirby is playing, um, Sue Storm. Evan, Edmund, I was, it was this second, Baccarach. Is that how you say it? I think so. Baccarrock. Emma Moss Bacrock. And then, um, Joseph Quinn.

for Johnny. So this, these room, we've been talking about Fantastic for forever. You know, Jeff Snyder announced Joseph Quinn and Vanessa Kirby, like back in July or August or something of last year. Corey, you said something about the Joseph Quinn was supposed to be on a Comic Con and then he can't. He was supposed to be a MegaCon with me this last, I did the Stranger Things panel and he he canceled about a month out and that was to me confirmation. I mean, it was definitely me taking a leap. But as soon as he canceled, I was like, oh, he's either filming or can't talk about things he's currently doing. I wouldn't be doing cons if I was human torts. That kind of validated

the rumor a little bit for me. Because MegaCon is the biggest East Coast cons. When he dropped out, it was like, ah, bigger work. It makes sense. This can, I mean, it's one of these things where, Winston, you know, we're talking about, like, well, what do you think of the cast? Everybody asked you this question because it's like one of the worst kept secrets, like, ever.

Everybody knew that this was the cast. I mean, it was, it wasn't only just said Jeff Snyder. Then, like, the, you know, all the major trades were also saying it. So it's a good cast. It is, and that's actually why I really loved how they decided to announce it. I thought you took a more artistic approach to it instead of doing a big con release and all that, which is going to cost you a lot of money to get the stars down there to pay them to do that, to make sure you get the stage time, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

I thought that this was a clever and fun way to essentially just confirm the worst kept secret in Hollywood for the last like half a year. And it did it for Valentine's Day. And I think that Koi made a good point also is that they also want to make sure because they had Deadpool, they had this, they had all these things kind of come out for them to go, hey, that man and web thing, that's not us. This is what we do. I think the optics on Marvel right now are so sullied to a point that isn't fair to the actual brand. If you look at the top 10 global releases of last year, three of them are comic book films. But because it isn't all gold, everyone is looking at the negatives because that's the, because that's the top. that's conversation.

Human, the human brain patterning is like fight or flight. Like, oh, something went wrong. I have to attach to that to solve the problem. Like, oh,

I burnt my hand. Don't touch that. So we remember the bad things more than the positive things. So even though there have been positive things, Guardians 3, Spiderverse, there are a lot of negativity, you know,

plus the Twitter of it all hanging around the MCU. So I think it was really smart while there's so much negativity. And while we're so pattern based to be negative to go like, hey, that thing that came out this weekend, like look over here. Like, this is us doing.

and like some good stuff. It's, man, it's kind of a, you know, help you in one way. Like you said, Coy, screw you in another because like you said, what do you do? Do you fully go, we have nothing to do with this. But then like the goodwill you get from seeing beyond the spider verse or across the spiderverse, you know, you got to have to throw that out then. Then technically, even though it is MCU, then it is Tom Holland, do you kind of have to throw that out?

Like what do you, what do you do in the sense that you kind of want Sony to keep Marvel's name out, it's F and mouth. But at the same time, there have been some good stuff to come from them. So you know what I'm saying? Like, it's a weird thing where you don't want to fully distance. Yeah, but I do need to do it somewhat. Like, I mean, I'll,

I'll push back a little bit on that. I think that I don't disagree that the social media aspect of it all, as people are going to want to scream and yell no matter, no matter what, whether you're in a positive vibe or negative vibe. But I do think that there's merit to say that even though you had a few of those movies in the top 10, as you mentioned, Koi, doesn't take away the fact that there's just been a lot of subpar material, right? There's just been...

Oh, especially comparably. I'm not denying the... I'm just saying that people aren't talking about the positive. I'm just... Right. You're going to focus on the stuff that's not working, but I do also think that there's merit to the fact that more stuff is not working, the more stuff is. But there is... But you're right.

Where you look at some of the stuff, you're like, no, Guardians almost made a billion dollars. You know, these movies, they did very well, but the other thing with Guardians is like, Guardians as much as it's connected to the MCU, this one really wasn't. This one really wasn't connected to their plan of what they're new. It was connected to the previous two films, but it wasn't connected to their overall plan moving forward.

Like the new structure of where they're going, working that good. So Fantastic Four is one of those movies that I think is very important as is. Which also probably won't be connected that directly, at least for the first two thirds of it when they're in the 60s. That's, that's right. And I like, and I really like that they're doing that, by the way. It worked for Loki, man. I love that Loki felt like it was tied, but not beholden to the MCU.

I like that it was like phase one referential without being like burdened by glorious continuity. And look, and you've got to put them in that time period because also the other reason for that is because where were they? Where were they during the original phases? And so, Koi mentioned yesterday that were caught in the quantum realm. And that would make more sense to me where it's like, okay, let's have this adventure of them in the 1960s. that set them up in the 1960s. And then we can, well, where were they during the Thanos stuff? Oh, that's where they were.

Okay, that makes sense. And then they come back. And now they're, you know, the focus of both X-Men, focus on Fantastic Four. And then you get, Winston, as we've said many times over, see you later, quick. Many times over. We, that we were looking for All-Stars. I got you. Yeah.

And we, and the All-Stars are being, I mean, the farm system, the farm system, for you last week for you last week see ain't nobody comes from me no more man it's not it's not just me all right mason cats at the very least i was trying to prepare your studio from burning down what the hell he'd do he sound like he'd get a bowl of cereal no he's chasing cats he's past cats probably shit on the floors so oh my god but no i i hear you the only my only beef with the idea of they've been trapped in the quantum realm i feel like you got to find a different you got to find a different excuse here because i understand the quantum realm is like

its own universe but you're you're honestly going to tell me that if reed richards was down in the damn quantum realm that kang and or whoever down there would not have noticed that the fantastic four there i think that that isn't necessarily unless you're saying a situation where reed is running an experiment and they just pass through it really quickly like uh-oh we ended up in the future i don't think them being in the trapped in the quantum world works at all. So you're implying Kang was in any way good at his job? I'm implying that, yeah, because he was able to find Ant Man running around with his little drones in there.

You genuinely think that if Reed Richards, Mr. I be doing all sorts of science shit and has all sorts of energy that's going off and he's probably trying to figure out his own way to get the fuck out, that Kang wouldn't have found him, nah, bro, that don't work. That doesn't work. If we presented Kang in a way that he felt adequate, I would be on your side. but like the quantum realm was huge. It's huge. And Kang got trapped in there and doing nothing.

I get it. It is huge. But again, Kang was there and was able to scan to find Scott and Cassie and lock them up. Are there level? But it was also like seven blocks away. He scanned and found him in like, you know, next door. Okay.

He was in West Hollywood. He just popped by. Look, look, either way, either way, this thing is. Negative zone makes more sense. I think the negative zone is going to be the quantum realm. I think they're going to have. Those are such similar concepts. Let's, let's all agree.

Who cares? Because they're going to figure out a way to say, oh, yeah, that's why they weren't around. So at least they're going to do something. You know, they've been to the grocery store for 50 years. Great. So, but the other side of it is now it also looks like Galactus is going to be the one, is going to be the main villain. And then Dr.

Doom, they're saying it's going to be a post-credit scene. I think that you should at least set them up in the beginning. And we had this whole conversation yesterday, again, KENkoy where it like I saw this comment that came in and it was like I what I want to tell people here on the show is when it comes to my channel and I think people realize this now over the last two years that this channel has really been active is that we are always open for a conversation we're always open we don't ever I don't want people to agree with this all the time that's boring I want can I want real conversation and I also want people to be able to have

intelligent conversation and so if you like so if Winston Kemp says, oh, Al Jiamati is going to be Dr. Doom, right? And you go, God, Winston, you're busting Winston's balls like we do and saying, oh, really? But to call him, you're terrible, you don't know what you're doing, you suck, you're casting choices are the worst, you're gone. And that was one of the things that happened to me the other day. I was like talking about, I still, Henry Cavill, I think would be the perfect Dr. Doom, because I think that we'd go against typecasting, all these different things, and he's starting

to show an edge. And I was getting ready to have a conversation with this guy because I would have liked to see the guy go, hey, I don't really agree with that choice. I like the Killian Murphy choice better. And I'll tell you why because this, this and this. And I don't see Henry Cavill that way. Christian, once again, shows that his casting is terrible, but you're gone.

I'm not even going to engage the conversation anymore because it's not an intelligent conversation. It's just insulting to insult. And I think, like I said, I don't need you to agree with you. And if you think Henry's not a great choice, I'd love to hear your smart opinion on why that is. And I think that that's the conversation that we need to have. And also, Henry Kev will be a great doctor. Yeah.

I mean, look, man, people forget that the way that all of this works on top of that. We don't need to get on our soapbox or anything, but it's like being at the club. And if you're going to stand on the tables and break bottles and shove patrons, then the bouncer is going to throw your ass out. So like, I always say it's my, it's my store. If you walk into my store with your pants down, I'm going to throw you out. I'm going to throw you out. And it's like, free speech.

You can go free speech on your Twitter. Which is totally fine. Free speech. And I have the free will to throw you the fuck out my business. Free speech isn't freedom from consequence. That's what I'm saying. So anyway, so speaking to Dr. Doom, we all have our choices, right? The question would be now, when in, do we think that post-credit scene for sure,

or do we think that they should at least show the relationship between Reed and Doom in the beginning before it all goes south? I think we might get Doom as early as post-credit scene Deadpool. I think that the shot of Anilis in the trailer, leads, I personally think, to the end of time in a new way. I think we might head to Battleworld. And I think that the Secret Wars frame in that Deadpool trailer was a very iconic Deadpool, I mean, Dr. Doom moment. Like one of the most iconic Dr. Doom moments the last 20 years

is God and Burr Doom and it's in that issue. So I'm wondering if that's alluding to Battleworld and then Battleworld ties directly into Secret Wars. But in between Battleworld, we'd have the Doom arc where we'd have him maybe trapped in the 60s. Maybe he gets trapped in Battleworld. when the Fantastic Four gets trapped in the 60s. Maybe there's a time disparity where they're competing to get, you know,

the cosmic radiation solve and one gets trapped in the battle world. One gets trapped in the 60s. And I think there could be as early as Deadpool a reveal of who he is. Because I think Dr. Doom at this point is as big or bigger than the Fantastic Four, especially since we've known about them being cast so long. So it'd be a bigger moment if it happened in Deadpool. Winston? Yeah.

And, you know, I'm thinking, man, that like I could see, since we obviously know this is Deadpool kills the Fox universe essentially is what we're going at. I can totally see a situation where in that process with him working with the TVA, he goes to he goes to prune, uh, you know, doom and it ends up being a doom bot. And that's kind of how we then get our introduction and we maybe don't even necessarily get the face of who it is,

but maybe we figure it out via voice or something like that and that might be your introduction. I could see something like that. Yeah. Um, all right. Let's say you guys, whether you are in the live chat right now, whether you're watching on the replay,

what do you think about the Fantastic Forecast in general? What do you think about where the setting, Doom, everybody? What do you think? And do you think the Fantastic Four is going to be the one of the saving graces, but not the beginning of the saving graces, as we saw? Yeah, Corey. I want to, before we leave Fantastic Four, I do want to say that I think Eben Moss McCrach is maybe the best casting we've had

since Kamala Khan. Like what an immaculate choice to go with like those baby blues. I can hear him say it's clobber. in time or it's cousin in time, which is canon now up here. But like, I love him in the bear because he's so unlikably charming. Like there's a, there's a balance of charm and unlikability. And the gruffness of Ben Grimm is such an important part of him. At points, he's just so upset at Reed for cursing him. He's ruined his life. And I think there's something perfect about what we've seen from this actor as micro or as cousin or as these things. And I really love that everything about

Ben Grimm, I immediately go, oh, that totally works for this casting without it being typecasting. I wouldn't have thought of this separately. I was thinking, like, Holt McCallanley from Ironclough. I was thinking, you know, a different build. But as soon as they said it, I went, oh, that's genius. So I just wanted to get some love for that casting. Yeah, it's perfect. And I'm glad that you brought that back up.

And as I said that, I'm playing drums. I was playing drums back there. What is that? That's what I was trying to tell you. So here. yeah so while that's happening while it's happening i'll just meet myself it's amazing um okay so then the other thing as we mentioned fantastic for being the one to help the mcc this is the one literally calls himself marvel jesus in the trailer and in its first 24 hours after airing during the

super bowl the wolverine dead bull trailer was seen by 365 million people online and it makes it the most viewed trailer of all time it beat the 355 million who turned in for the first trailer for spider-man no way Now, this is another conversation that I had with Roka, I think, on either this Monday or last Monday. I am pretty confident that this movie is going to get, if not a billion dollars, close to a billion dollars. And these types of trailer reactions end because the trailer was not, it was good. It was a good trailer. So people were pretty excited about it overall. I think this movie is going to be one of their massive hits.

They need it right now. And they also need it to capitalize on, okay, what is the shape of this whole multiverse thing? and it clearly is that. Coy, what do you think? I think the marketing of Ryan Reynolds is also a huge factor in that billion dollars. I think maximum effort is the best marketing firm on the planet right now.

They've made me curious about Mint Mobile. They've made me, like, I love the gin he made. And like, he's very good at marketing to get me to try things. I'm not much of a gin guy. I'm a tequila whiskey guy, but I tried his gin. I think that, like, people that might not have been on board for another Deadpool

or people that might not have exposure to Deadpool are going to be in love with the unique marketing leading up to it. I mean, D23 was the week before they announced Wolverine and Deadpool. Clearly, Disney had one of them to announce it at D23 and then Ryan went, no, no, no, we're going to do it my way. And that made that incredibly memorable them to on the couch conversation that wouldn't have necessarily happened in D23. I also think him getting it on his YouTube page first is a huge sign of who's wearing the pants. Ryan Reynolds, YouTube is who debuted that trailer, not Disney, not Fox, not like it's literally Ryan going, no, no, no, no, we're doing

my way because I'm the best at this. So this feels like where Downey Jr. had more power with Ironman. You're not wrong because also remember D23, I'm sure he had a big hand in saying, we don't want to put our trailer at D23. That's what I'm saying. It was the week later. We don't want to announce anything. We don't want to announce anything. It's going to happen our way. And that's why I think him in marketing is going to be huge on top of it. Because yeah, this trailer was very right. Like there's moments in this trailer that I don't even know if they're as conscious as I'm reading. into them and that's the genius of Deadpool is like there's a white-gloved hand shaping Deadpool and spanking him like Mickey Mouse. There's a scene where you literally have him call himself Marvel Jesus,

but he's also playing around with the continuity of the TVA. And there's an image of Ryan Reynolds accepting his own Emmy as Deadpool in the frame. There's a Secret Wars cover shot that has a bottle of Mountain Dew that's tying into Stan Lee. So we get our own little Stan Lee came here. Like there's so many details that feel very Ryan Reynolds that I don't know, that we'd get otherwise. So I feel like the marketing is also going to be a huge. I think this clear as a billion, but I also think it's in part because the marketing has started five months early.

Yeah. Winston, what did you think of the trailer? I didn't really talk to you about it yet. You're on me, buddy. That's why. Like I said,

this construction is a wild. I totally get it. No, I thought that it was absolutely phenomenal. I genuinely can't wait for it. I'm trying to already look around and figure out what's going on. as far as his introduction to TVA,

certain elements that like do and don't make sense, but I remember he also got his quote unquote time turner that would snatch that at the end of the movie and started making changes and stuff like that, which is probably what has got the TVA looking for him in the first place since he decided to just do whatever the hell he wanted for a little bit. But I just,

I have so much faith in Ryan Reynolds, that I have no doubt in my mind that this not only will clear a billion, like I wouldn't be surprised if we're talking like a billion five. Like I think, I think, I don't know if it'll hit two, but I would not be surprised if it hits a billion five. It would be hard of rated R.

It'd be hard of rated R. I know it will be, but I think when you're talking about potentially saving the MCU, which is not only the plot of the movie itself, but it, which is ironic. It almost makes you feel like they've been doing this all along just to give Deadpool even more credence to just tear it down as much as possible.

Like, you have to save the sacred timeline. I think when you put that, Ryan Reynolds's marketing and star power and all that, I think once the word is out that that marvel's back, if this movie really does hit the way that it looks like it will, and this is really Hugh Jackman's last ride type situation, I genuinely think it'll be able to do something like that,

to be honest with you, and do something unprecedented with a billion five on an R-rated movie. Yeah, I think that would be crazy. Well, speaking to Deadpool, though, did you guys see that this report, like people are thinking that, that Daniel Radcliffe was actually in the trailer?

Did you see this? Now you're muted. I'm telling you. Whatever happened with your sound. Exactly. All right, come back. We'll see you in a little bit. Can you?

No, you're great. The sound issues. I'm sorry. I can't turn the voodoo curse on. I can just turn it on. I'll tell you about this. This is the report that happened that Daniel Radcliffe, people were wondering if that was actually him in the scene.

So late back here was rumored that Harry Potter star, Daniel Radcliffe, had been cast in Marvel Studios, Deadpool 3, which we now is Deadpool and Wolverine. At the time, it was only reported that he'd been in a secret role, though there are rumors that he'd be playing a variant of Wolverine. These rumors were also due to, the fact that the 34-year-old was getting unusually buff Radcliffe repeatedly denied these reports claiming that he only got buffed because he's obsessed. The rumors persisted and now that we have a trailer for

Deadpool and Wolverine, the internet is certain that Radcliffe was shown at least once. So I'm going to pull a screen sheet and it's like from 120 and I'll show everybody kind of where everybody thinks that it is. And I ask you guys if you think, it does look like Wolverine for sure but the question is is it and it does look like a variant of wool but the question is is it actually Daniel Radcliffe is the other question there so

let's let's put this here's here's the picture and you guys tell me tell me what you think here is the picture of where they're who they're saying you can see it's like far in the back there I mean it looks enough like the back of his head.

Another sounds weird to say it looks like the back of his head, but I could, I could That's an old brain variant, but it's just the question, is it Radcliffe? Coy, you have sound? I do, maybe. Do I like, okay, so I think it's either Taryn Edgerton or Daniel

Radcliffe. He's a slighter build, but still a broad back, but a smaller build than Hugh Jackman. And I think that reveal of Patch is so much funnier if it's not Hugh and they're clearly in Madreport where Patch lives, patch is an alias of, of Wolverine that would be more fun to do

than necessarily just looking the same. So I personally think it's Radcliffe, but I think it could also be Taryn because they've joked about that before. Okay. Sticking with the X-Men, and then we're going to get to your questions. Like I said, I saw, there's a bunch of questions coming in here, and I see them all. Don't worry. We're going to get to every single one of them, and you can still throw the

questions in. This is, we rarely go live with capes and cows. There's over a thousand you guys watching right now. So if you have questions, you ever wanted to ask us any questions, now is the time to do it. We'll be here until the very last one. So let's get to this X-Men trailer, guys. This was X-Men 97 came out yesterday or yeah, came yesterday, right?

And it dropped. And I'm, I gave my thoughts on it as someone who didn't watch the series kind of growing up. I was very aware of it. And I thought it was a great trailer. And I thought I loved what they did with it, that they stuck with the, this is kind of the stuff that I wish they would do with just films in general when you go and you make a movie like, like Indiana Jones. when you're doing an Indiana Jones movie,

and instead of putting $300 million in Indiana Jones, make it look like the same movie that came out in 1981 with Raiders of the Lost Ark and make it look like that kind of film. And this is what this trailer did. It looks like it was made in 97. Yeah. No, I mean, it looks absolutely incredible. I immediately got transported back to, you know, childhood.

I think the one thing that's actually interesting is the animation at the end of X-Men, the animated series, the OG, got really bad. It got like overly gloss, and it's very ironic that they were obviously using that for like series finale and all that. And they've actually then leaned back into it now. However, they have taken away, they have done it in a way that you could take what looked like bad animation and actually improve the hell out of it and make it like really crisp and whatnot.

So there's little things all over this that I absolutely fell in love with. I think the thing that blew up on my side of the internet was the Gambit Wolverine combo. That new Cannonball Special remix. Exactly. And I was laughing because someone was like, why you ride him like that? I'm like, first of all, sir, welcome to my TED Talk. You just watch him charge up his claw so you can do infinitely more damage. But remember, gamut specifically controls kinetic energy.

So you notice how Wolverine got significantly faster after that because he very easily could have been given him a speed boost as well. So I'm not here for your nonsense. I'm here for the shenanigans that will be all sorts of like incredible combo moves, let alone we've known that Magneto was going to take over the X-Men. That was something. His hair is fantastic. Fantastic. It looks incredible. Fantastic hair.

Coy, you love this trailer also, yeah? I did. And I'm sorry, I'm going to say fastball special. Cannibal is another X-Men. But the moment where Cyclops says the iconic to me, my X-Men, was just so much comic love and lord to me.

Not only did it feel like the comic come to life, but it's a moment we haven't really had from Cyclops in so long. It's finally time to let Cyclops be a leader. It's good to see some respect on his name. I also think that of the adaptations of X-Men, this is the best storm. So I'm really excited to see this newly re-Mohawk storm, gets us here and more of that other leadership role. There's the blue and gold teams. I think they'll lean into.

So to me, this is one of the definitive takes on the X-Men. I'm curious how it ties into where they go as we get to live action, what storylines they start setting up here paying off. But I'm just glad to see this team back because I've missed the X-Men so much. Yeah. And people were pretty excited about it. So I'm going to ask you guys now, for those people who are familiar with the show and from the animated show, what do you think? Did you like it if he weren't familiar with it?

What do you think? Also, do you think that this is great for the X-Men in general? Because what I think that even though it's not the MCU can, and what it does is it starts to get the X-Men fresh back in everybody's mind. So make sure you comment, whether it's live or on the replay, for sure. All right, we're going to get to your questions now. I see a ton of them coming in there. And before I do, I saw a comment coming in. actually from one of you guys, which is amazing.

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being part of, you know, the live thing is that we get a chance to talk to everybody. And it's like, you see people, so one guy in the comments, like, I'm not paying to ask a question. No, I can't answer everybody's questions. A thousand people in here. So if you have a super chat and you want to be part of the conversation, you can, then that's what we do. It's a way to support the show. It's a way for you to do it. But again, we also, we see everybody kind of being part of it.

And we read all the comments afterwards, and I respond to as many afterwards. No one said, you have to. But does it take a stance, buddy. you'll be all right take a stand. It's all right. He can talk to himself. That's fine.

Just don't get it. It's like, what are you doing? Just don't, just don't, say that in your head. Say it in your head. Oh,

no, no, no, but that's the whole point everybody wants to talk. Renetta W. What's up? Fellows, love you guys.

What is going on with Sony? What the hell? Why can't they put as much effort in their live action like they do animated Spiderverse?

Corey, can you explain this? We actually, we talked about this yesterday, remember? Yeah, we did specifically. I think so, there's an oversight situation where I think Phil and Chris Lord Miller are such formative producers,

writers, and creators that they've got a lot more control over their corner of the universe. And I think in large part because it's animated, it didn't start in a way that a lot of people were counting on it as much, I think. So it gave them more power, more control, more ability to leverage their own thing. And then it did gangbusters, got an Oscar, got a lot of love, and now they have control over that corner of the universe. But I don't know that they would if it was live action and i don't know that the live action teams are ever going to have as much power as lord and miller do with their stuff so they'd already proven themselves at sony animation with clouded the chance of meatballs they obviously did great with uh the the machines millers and the

versus the machines they've proven themselves time and time again and they were already sony folk with twenty one and they're so passionate beyond the business that they're invested at all times i i just did the Oscar nomination panel with them. I sat down with the three directors and then the two of them. And we talked about the state of the industry like we do, like on capes and cows for 20 minutes for we ever went on stage. And they wanted to know what I thought of how things were with Joker and Batman 2 and the things coming out this year.

And then we did another 20 on just Spider-Man because they're so invested. And I don't know that anyone else is that passionate when they're not working as those two guys. They breathe this stuff and it shows. all right uh thank you for that one following up here a spannerie coin i'm a huge fan man i love you love for comics because you always started to dive into comics and i love it that just makes me happy man i appreciate that and all the comic corrects on tic-tok and twitter i'm trying to keep doing comic corrects between battling bigots there's the next one uh joey pedrus says loving the casting for legacy oh we didn't talk about that we should be that's i'm glad

that jory brought this up loving the casting for legacy so far who would you guys cast as ma and pa can don't think those have been cast yet. No, I haven't seen that yet, but what Rachel Brosnahan also, thank you for bringing this up, Rachel Brosnan brought up that she wants to really put the work in, obviously, and honor the Lois's that came before. There's very classic, I think she's going to be, I think she's got an opportunity to be, if she does what I think she's going to do, she got a chance to be the goat. I really think she's got that in her, man. I think she's, she's fantastic, and she's got that kind of sass that Lois needs, and she's got the humor that lowest needs in a certain, you know, not like telling yuck yucks, but, but, but the fact that

Lois is witty and Lois. Yeah, she's got, which she's a poster prize winning writer. She speaks thusly. I think she's going to be great, but, Ma and Pa, Kent, Winston, any ideas for that one? Paul Giamatti and Paul Giamati. Where are you going, Bob? I'm going to him playing almost like a clumps where he plays both Ma and Paul. I would love that.

No, I, honestly. I'm just trying to think of who gives the energy. It would never happen because people are going to be like, stat changing races and stuff, even though Clark has adopted. I honestly think the energy that Octavia Spencer gives would have been really like as fun kind of as a ma. But I think Julianne Moore, to be honest with you,

after seeing her in May December, I thought she would be a great ma. A ma'am can't, to be honest with you. I don't know about Pa off the top of my head, though. Yeah, yeah, great truth. I'm going to go for Pa, I'm going to go Brennan Frazier. Because, oh, I think the paternalness doesn't get shown a lot and he was on with Superman

so I love that like bit of love for the lore and then I'm gonna go Carla Gagino for Mock Kent. Both both good. I would have said that if he wasn't ready cast in Greenlander probably would have made Nathan Fillion as Paul Kent. But that's interesting. It'd probably be somebody that he knows.

It'd be hilarious if it's Stallone because he's buddy was still on. 80 year old Paw Kent. Yeah, what are you doing? Yeah, tractor. A tractor. Hey, you know, dark flying tuna. All right, let's see.

Next one here. Jay Blink, they didn't do Power Rangers final draft. Oh, interesting. Okay, so they worked on the script, someone else brushed it up, and maybe that's why it's their finest work. It's still their finest work. And I didn't mind that movie.

I didn't mind that movie. I haven't seen it, but I've heard only good things. No, no, it's pretty good. It's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. René Reyes, have you all watched the Jonathan Majors interview about his side of the story?

If so, what are your thoughts? You know what? I did not watch that follow-up. Did you guys watch it? Winston, do you see it? And what are your thoughts on it overall? That good, huh? Here's the problem. He's like cut away.

He's a way to Winston laughing. There were two issues here. The first was to have, of all people, ABC, aka Disney, be the ones to do the interview. It literally felt, and I made a joke about this earlier, it felt like he was doing a job exit interview for them, like live for the rest of the world. But the fact that he opens up, just like,

kind of crying and it didn't feel like he's crying because he's actually upset. It felt like he was crying because he was acting. It was one of those things that I was like, it felt almost like it would have been better if he had just not. Yeah, it felt like a performance. If you did not do anything. But remember, didn't he do something like before the trial started? Wasn't it like there was like a fight that was happening?

Yes, yes. And then he like, he read up, he's like, hey, no, we don't have. He broke it up. It was like, it was recording it. And it was like, it's like, dude. It's still dressed like a civil rights leader Be like hey, right There's a better way ladies

We ain't got to do this I think you're so much I got a theory about that Go ahead So that was clearly a Hollywood high school And I think because of the proximity Of Hollywood high school to end and out I think dude was just having his double double

And literally looked at dress up You think that was real? I do because of which high school it was Literally if you've ever eaten it in and out People are fighting in Hollywood high school all the time Like the camera work everything All of it Someone was filming with an open laptop.

I think it's hilarious. This is why it felt stage as fuck, because on top of that, this man can't keep Coretta Scott King's name out his fucking mouth. Did he say it again? Did he say it again in that question? In the interview, he goes, he goes, well, in the interview he goes,

so yeah, you know, like, what's it like with, with Megan Goody's said, she's incredible, she's a rock. She's like my Coretta. She just, oh, I don't know what I would do without her. She's just, you know, like he really, this man really thinks that he's more Luther King. genuinely. And it's kind of crazy to me to keep seeing him do that.

There you go. There's your thoughts on it. Gallagos is the good Gallagos. Hey, fellas. The Sonyverse going the way of the dark universe, Snyderverse, uh, 2011 DC verse. Yes, Greenlander was the start by Venom three released. Cheers. I mean, I do think, dude, that they need, they just need, as we said earlier, they need new people in that position in the same way that I've made it clear that I think that, and it looks like Kathleen Kennedy has done that. with like putting pheloni more in charge of the creative head over there Sony needs that they need

somebody who they don't need all the executives who don't know this world he would make make it lord and miller let lord and miller start being in charge of the live action verse put that i don't think they want to have to i mean i think they would do a great job but i think that would limit them for making any their own stuff like i dump a a truck load of money in their backyard in the same way you did James Gunn and the same way you did Fige and I think they'll be all right with us. I mean, I would love to see that because I love the characters and I love those guys and I just don't

know if they want to only live in that space forever. All right. Gallagos, follow up. Folks complained about the hours of TV to catch up before the Marvels, but they don't complain about the same for Deadpool and X-Men 97. Why? Well, let's see.

So when you talk about for Deadpool, I mean, that's the two movies beforehand, right? So two movies. first of all, a full series as far as two movies is different. Well, it's also conceptually all the X-Men movies, which is like six films. Because all the X-Men are getting their send-off.

So I feel like it's going to be like eight movies. Oh, right. Yeah. Well, it's way more than that. You got, throw in, do you already met, did you already mention Daredevil and I'm losing my mind? Oh, no, no. Yeah. Fox in general. And both of the Fantastic Four movies. And like, you literally have to go down the entire Fox universe

line of movies because it'll probably all be relevant. I wouldn't even be surprised. if they go ahead and sneak um uh oh my god uh tyler tyler hitch back in there because i know he's trying to also rebuild up his star power after john carter which i didn't think it was a bad movie but it obviously bombed i wouldn't even be surprised if they throw him in there live chat would you be interested in us doing some uh fox rewatches like we used to because uh live chat let us know because i'd be curious i haven't watched fantastic four in years in a long we should do something we talked actually we did i'm glad you brought that because we talked about that for sure um but

I don't know director's cut coo leo for life i love that subplot but gal the other thing dude is that and the honest answer is because there's more excitement behind both those other projects there's just more excitement for it so when you look at the marbles and it's like if you're not excited about it and then you're like well i have to do all this other work to get there but if you're excited about the movie is like oh i took to like coy said let's go rewatch some of this stuff if it's going to pan out because i'm excited about deadpool three if you're not and nostalgia is such a strong driving force like nostalgia is a hell of the drug in 20 years of nostalgia versus, oh, that thing that just came out, I'm kind of invested in. Right. So I just don't think people were that excited about the morals. Gilberto Padilla going to watch Madam Webb just to see how bad it is. Good luck. Good luck to you.

It's just like I said, it's just, it's just dull. Mild Man and Comic Nerd. Thank you, Mild Man of Comic. Very kind of you. Hey, guys, do you think that they can remake this movie and use the correct story and characters like Ezekiel and Morton with Spider-Man and give it a horrible, vibe like in the comic when i read the comics always felt like a horror movie yet it seemed like it could go in that direction if they knew what they were doing but i think that what's gonna it's

never going to happen because sony's just not going to let it out of their um i guess pun intended web right because they're gonna do um they're gonna do they're gonna hold on to this ip man because they need to they don't have anything else what would be best is if somehow mc u could get involved in it and could the mc u could get their property back and then that's when you'd start to see this stuff but no i don't think because and now unfortunately the name is so tainted because of this movie it's going to be a long time before they bring these characters back do you guys disagree no i'm right there with you i think you there is you need to distance yourself from it for a while and i and i think that like even if they do get the green light for it you might see madame web like someone

somewhere in like a kind of a secret war situation if you are like if you're if you're taking that whole kind of secret wars element that they did at the i'm sure you remember this quite at the end of the spider man 90s cartoon and he was kind of leading his own he was the one kind of in charge of the heroes versus the villains and all that like if that's what you're going for um i could see her maybe making an appearance in that way but you you have to keep distance from this if this movie is going to continue to go with the way that it's going then you can't yeah they're going to put a lot of space between this and that. And I think the Ezekiel stuff, they also made him a full-on villain.

Like, in Madame Web, you is just a bad guy. Ezekiel is a conflicted figure in the comic books, which allows for more nuance and more hard elements because it's not just mustache twirling. I love your Mark Bagley art. You clearly know the comic books. That sort of nuance isn't allowed in this writing style. Like, and that's not going to work. Yeah, unfortunately.

Gallagos, here's another five thanks, man. Please do more live shows. Always great to catch you all here. So, you know, we normally tape on Thursdays, and one of the reasons that we do Thursday is also is make sure patrons get capes and cows early because patrons always get it either 24 hours or 12 hours earlier. So that's one of the reasons. There is talk about potentially doing live in the next six, seven months on Fridays, but we're discussing it. But right now it's going to be, it's going to be the way it is for patrons and stuff too. Okay, next one, Carlton Rudder.

That's up, man. First capes and Cal Super Chat. Thank you very much. Superman Legacy and Fantastic Four come out two weeks apart in July 2025. Who do you think will win the box office war? Well, I think that Fantastic Four will move, not because they're scared of Superman, but I think because they just, it looks like they're just starting to get filming now. There was some delays and stuff from the strikes.

I think that they'll move, but I don't think it's going to, if they did go head to head, well, what comes out first? Is it Superman first? and then fantastic. It gets a two-week lead. I mean, that's a hard question. And that's really going to, the answer of who's going to win is,

I'm going to give a safe answer, and it just depends on quality. It depends on quality. Because they're both big IPs. If Superman is better than Fantastic 4th, than Superman. It's going to be a lot of July, because the week before all that's Jurassic World 7.

So it's going to be like July 3rd or 4th is Jurassic World. And then Superman the 11th and then the 25th is this. I don't know. where else Fantastic Four can go. It's already been pushed so long. I don't see it as a winter movie. So if it stays, that's just a $3 billion July. I honestly, after what,

I know that they weren't, the movies had nothing to do with each other, but after seeing what we saw with Barbenheimer and then with their talks that they're now about to start reprinting the Marvel DC crossovers, why you wouldn't necessarily say, you know what, F it. Let's actually lean on each other right now

and like make it a fantastic legacy. or like or like or super four or whatever you want to make your little mashup and let the two of them have it be the battle of the two i honestly think that anybody that likes superhero films especially if they're both good will be there for both and you'll be in there you know dress like the thing with the superman emblem on you and stuff like i think that that would be the way to go personally and i would be there for Jurassic super four and watch all three in a day after seeing them i think that'd be great we'll say uh mild manner comic nerd is madame web better or worse than the Clooney Batman movie.

Also, who wins in a fight? Omni Man or Homelander. Thanks, guys. I'll let you guys answer that second part. The first part is, do I think it's better or worse, different? Because what's more boring, Madam Webb? You can't call Batman and Robin boring. It's not boring.

It's just terrible. And it's goofy. And it is, we did rewatch. It is fun to rewatch, especially that's where we got the, I wish I knew line out of that. So that alone is pretty perfect. Um, so that there's some funny stuff in them. That, that, that movie is it's so bad. It's good movie.

This movie is boring. So, but what's a better movie? Like, oh, like, you know, there is the, if, which one could you maneuver into an actual film if you had better dialogue and other things to do? Madam Webb probably. You could probably maneuver it into, if you, if you got rid of those writers and you put an actual race, this is the story we want to tell. Can we actually get some real people who care about this thing and maneuver this

particular story that we have now? with these actors. I think you have a better shot with that. As opposed to what they wanted to do with that Joel Schumacher, it wasn't his fault. But that wasn't, that wasn't his fault. That was not the director's fault. The director was told to say, make toys come to life. That's what he was told to do. I'm going to go Homelander. Oh, not even close. It's Omni Man. Dude, you got to remember, you've got to remember the Viltermites are sitting here murdering each other left and right. And you have multiple

situations where Omni Man has been able to take on people within his weight class. whereas Homeland, who is challenged Homelander? Not a single, not a single person. And the minute you started getting somebody like Soldier Boy that was on a comparable level of strength, he was like, oh, I'm a bitch. There's a reason why for that, and I don't

want to spoil it. There's a reason why. There was more mental stuff going on with that battle too, though. I can't speak enough for Omni Man. Which is, which is fine, but it's literally when you think about how Omneman is essentially Zod, but they've had their powers

forever. You know what I'm saying? It's not like I just got to Earth or whatever. I honestly think that Omni Man would wipe the floor with it. I think just strength, I agree with you, but I think Homelander's way more manipulative and he would find ways to break Omnaman. So like I, I get that Omni Man's manipulative, but I'm giving Homelander a bit more callous tacticalness. Oh, they're both Amazon, so maybe it'll happen. Tommy M. DaW. Coy, any news on AOS characters returning? What's that? Oh, Agents of Shield? I, you know, there's a rumor every other week.

I actually was not that big of an agents of shield guy. The tone was a little to network TV sitcomy for me. Winston likes it, and I found it a little cloying. Yeah. And it just like a lot of shows, it had a lot of good and a lot of bad. But I think that you definitely want to bring Daisy back at the can. I thought that the actress's name is escaping me at this exact moment. Oh my God.

Chloe Bennett. Chloe Bennett. Chloe Bennett. She's been rooming forever to come back. And she's kind of teased some stuff herself and whatnot. So I genuinely hope that they at least bring her back. I think you could probably miss everybody else. But I think that she would be a nice addition to have Quake brought in the fold. All right.

Nightfall more. Big thing is the promo code for Blue Chew discount is just so hilarious. I had to get it. Great. It's good marketing. I love everything you do, Christian. Thank you. P.S. aliens are real.

Well, I think we're going to get some more. stuff. We get some more conversation, man, every Tuesday. We had a great conversation on Tuesday with Steve Bassett. Riley and I sat down with him in studios. The first UFO lobbyist in Washington ever, and he is going to be sitting down. He talks to some of the stuff he says will blow your mind. So that's Tuesday. Oh, I almost forgot. As far as that Omneman homewander fight, there's actually a very

popular, very, very popular channel here on YouTube called Death Battle. And they actually broke this down. And they broke down exactly why. homeowner mops the floor I mean my Omnayam wipes the floor with Homewander. All right. Ryan Clem Barnes,

the MCU has lost my trust. Antman was my favorite sub-franchise and Quantumania ruined it by not having Luis and treating the characters as functions of a greater Marvel story I don't care about. I happen to, look, I stick by the fact that I like the idea

that they did a science fiction thing. And I think that the last, I don't know, last three quarters, Oh, last quarter of that movie is really not good. And the ending is ridiculous. But I like the science fiction place they went with it. But I don't disagree with you that by going in such a different direction from what the first two movies were,

that's jarring to the audience that was already fans of it. So, okay, as we continue to go down. Thank you for that, by the way. We have mild mannered again. For you, Winston, Paul Jimati is doctor. cock. Not bad. I have.

I got some am. Not bad. Well, okay, did you guys see the thing I tweeted at you about that, that particular panel where, oh, what's up, Spider-Kitty? That particular panel where Doom was about to go save the world and Reed calls in, he goes, hey, man, I just want to wish you good luck. What do you mean luck? I don't need luck.

I'm Doom. It's going to work. He's like, yeah, it'll probably work. What do you mean, probably? I'm goddamn Doom. Like, just that, the one thing that I'm, that is sticking in my head, because that panel does speak to kind of what I'm talking about. And I was teasing about Gianmani, but like there is something sort of there. I would want somebody. You need to be able to have somebody that is

such a genius. It is so arrogant that it ends up becoming comical at times when it like, nobody's actually messing with you. All right. This is at Predoneski. When Wolverine shows up at the end of the trailer, there's a Secret Wars comic on the ground with Dr. Doom on the cover. Is there? Did you see that? Coy? Yeah. Yeah. I was talking about earlier. That's a secret wars number five from the Jonathan Hickman run the more recent Cesar Ors. And that's the one with Emperor God Doom, which is why I think he might show up in a post-credit scene there. And that's the one with the, there's literally a bottle of that soda Stan Lee gets poisoned with in the first Hulk with Ed Norton on top of the Secret Wars comment.

I see the questions that are still coming in. Thank you guys. Really appreciate it. And like I said, we'll be here until the last one is answered. So Gallagost, Winston, yell at your neighbor, not my eff in tempo. Great movie. Great movie. Okay, let's see, nightfall noir again.

Thank you, everybody. Pedro, great actor, not for Reid, feels forced to me. I can understand that. We've talked about that many times. It just depends. Look, he's a great actor. We want to see the chemistry with him and Vanessa Kirby, and I don't know if you ever get the real story as far as why he was cast.

Maybe it's because you've got a great audition. Maybe it was because of the rumors. Who knows? Either way, it's not going to hurt the movie. It'll help the movie. The guy's a great actor. So, okay, as we, I think that we have one more maybe. Hold on a second.

Let me say. Oh, no, we got two more. So Paige Chaudry, hello, do you all think that Shang-Chi could come back? Where is he? That's a great question. He has a torn. Yeah, he's healing. That's not now that I, now that I, like, heard about that because I think you mentioned that last week, Koi.

Yeah, yeah. He was in a charity thing on crutches. And I was like, oh, well, that would do it. now knowing that, I guarantee you they were probably like, well, shit. And they just put him on the back burner. Yeah, but he was already on the back burner. He was on the back. But I could see if they were going to find ways to try and shoehorn him in,

whether it be like an appearance or whatever, they were like, put him on the bench again. Unless they, unless, you know, he's sitting there talking with Wong about something like in a room. You know, you could do something like that. Oh, Christian, he's Derek Rose.

I really hope he's not like full on Derek Rose. And it was just the, oh, no. Maybe. I don't know. So who knows where he is? Marimuth haunts. Best thing that you three can say about Madam Webb, fair enough. Dakota Johnson is, I think, a good actress, even in general.

And I think she's very attractive. I think there was a great outfit she wore at the premiere. So that's two things. Adam Scott is always nice to see. And I do think that out of the three girls in that one, I can't remember. shoot I can't remember the one isabella merced yes isabel she was the best she I thought she gave a very strong performance out of the three so there you go uh I'm gonna go with it's a movie uh my my friend is in it and uh you didn't even see it Sydney sweetie is hot there you go perfect I'm gonna go with uh Adam Scott is

a great inspired choice to inspire some of the dialogue he didn't get to deliver but was implied he did it's a good character casting choice in a movie of questionable ones and I think that it showed us honestly it showed me that Adam Scott can really be exceptional in anything it's like if Adam Scott was in the room I'd be like you know he gets

like there's something so good about him against all odds in the movie that Adam Scott Ryan Clem Barnes the only franchise I'll always show up for Star Wars Coy thank you for defending my favorite film The Last Jedi Coy not only defends it Koi likes to cause fights because of it in the way.

Empire, man. I think it's easily the best Star Wars films since that. Oh, you don't want to hear my thoughts. I like a movie that actually has something to say. And isn't just a color by color remake. I got something to say. All right. So Andrew Carnes, who do you think Gunn's first main Justice League team ends up being?

I mean, it's got to be the normal. It's got to be Wonder Woman, Superman, Batman, Greenland. So are we implying that in legacy that that's the Justice Society that they've cast essentially? Because we already have note that I guess he is kind of balancing between being Superman, being Clark, and kind of having his justice family one way or the other. So are we implying that that's the Justice Society maybe? I wouldn't, I would assume I wouldn't want to go that way because that would take away a lot of any history they can do. So I think this will be a Justice League.

But I don't think, I think Wonder Woman will join it. Okay. Andrew Carnes. Who do you think? You just said that one. I did that one. Sorry. Sorry,

moving down. Yeah, because I'm curious how they're going to do that and when they're going to announce. I mean, they've got time. You know, they've got a lot.

I hope they actually give the time. So, Jim, one, given the reaction to Dune 2 and the cast and the amount of the hype worldwide for this movie, I think it'll make $1 billion. It will be a must-seeing theaters.

I hope you're right. I have said that I don't think so, but basing it off the first movie, but first movie, was during a pandemic. The first movie was people going, what is this all about? I don't know. And then people watching it going, whoa, this is like incredible. And then Winston and I saw it again in IMAX. It's just it feels to me in the same way that I feel when I watch Avatar, like this is just something that needs to be seen in the theater. Like you just have to. And I had heard that it was incredible.

And now the reactions are kind of I'm going to see it on Tuesday. I can't wait. So a billion I still think it's tough. I still think it's tough because science fiction sometimes is tough to do that. But then you say avatar, you know, but I will, I'm going to say, I don't think it gets there, but I will hope that you are right and I am wrong. I think it'll hit 800. I hope it hits a billion. Me too. All right. Andrew Smith, can we get a Jeff Snyder verse? God help us all. Woo. I mean, I think we get it. I think we get it on Twitter. I'm pretty sure that's established and there's a premium version. Yeah, I would get his. There's already the Snyder cut. But I would get his newsletter, though.

There's his newsletter. That guy, I mean, he's firing on a whole other level right now with scoops. Nightfall noir, Kung Fu Panda 4 and Lord of the Rings animated movie this year. Those are also movies that could do very, very well, for sure. Those are really good movies. I mean, really... You know, originally I was concerned about it, but the more I'm hearing people really hype about Kung Fu Panda... Kung Fu Panda 4.

I don't know. It might pull like seven or eight. Yeah. Sometimes people just make things up. Someone said, well, my reaction for Barbie was the same as Madam Webb. No. I said that Barbie is a really well-made movie, and it's a good movie. It didn't land for me, but I can, but the directing is fantastic.

Greta Gerwig is amazing. The performances were out of control, incredible. The music was really good. I just didn't love it, but it's a really good movie. It's put together really well. That's not the same reaction as this stinks. It's bad writing. The executives don't get it.

So what are you talking about? don't stop making things up Renee Reyes Padme and Leia Marry one force stroke one go way way way way way so either either the the mom or the daughter you marry one and you kill the other

Jesus well it doesn't say Kelly just says force choke I'm assuming that you're going to force choke to the end there I don't didn't say that didn't say to the end you know you're right you're right I'm making assumptions if we're going to call people off of that so you so you can go kinky

with force choke I remember. Remember. So here's, I'm going to go kinky with it. And here's the thing. Because it doesn't say who's force choking who.

I'm going to say, I'll marry Padmae and let Leah force choke me. How about that? That answer? Yeah. You're not my dad. Weird.

All right, here we go. I think we got one more. This is a really nice one. Thank you. It's first-nate-rate. Wow. First-rate, Nate, is the best.

Thank you, man. Just started watching. watching one piece last night with my six-year-old and he didn't want to stop watching, but watch three straight and look forward to watching more. I love that show. I really do. I cannot wait for it to come back. Cannot wait for it.

Oh, we do it more. Sorry. I cannot wait for it to come back. Nate, yeah, man, that is a really great show. And I'm glad that your little one is watching it, too. It's,

have you guys, both of you guys haven't watched it yet, huh? Jeff Ward from AOS is in it, though. It's the Shields Jeff Ford's in One Piece. You didn't watch it, yeah, Winston? I can't believe. that you're not watching it. You would love that show. You would love that show. It's so good. I mean, I've said the same thing about you finishing invincible. So how about we do this?

I will go watch one piece and you go finish invincible and then when you can talk. I'll get to it. All right. So exactly. Matt 11. Pedro Vescal for Paw Kent. Here's not that big. Dirty Mother tells in Ray Feens is Dr. Doom. He just, I do Ray 15 years ago. Dude Yeah, yes, and I just realized this that it would actually make me really sad. It's really sad to say this. And again, I know people would lose their shit

because, oh, why you may, you know, race switching mom, ma'paw can't. But I honestly think if you would put Carl Weathers and Octavia Spencer as mom, Paul, that actually would have been a really endearing, like, couple of reasons. Yeah. Nightfall, more, less than a week from Bad Batch and Airbender.

I'm worried about, I'm worried about Airbender. because from what I heard from the regular fans now they've changed up the lore and they've changed up things that they didn't need to change up. Dude. But the fact that that you had Soka, who his, one of his main character arts is that he's

incredibly sexist and he just thinks that women can't do things and they're like, oh, we took that out because it's not, but he gets better. By the time the show is over, he has so much respect and it was like ladies are badass. People being scared and it's too. So that's part one. Part two, it's funny. Bad Batch has been sitting in my inbox

for about a week and a half, two weeks. I haven't touched it. I haven't touched it. And it's like, you know, people are getting, oh, man, Ah, Saj Ventris, she's in it. Yeah, right. She's supposed to be dead. It's supposed to be dead.

I saw it in the book. And now she's alive. Why? But I'm going to watch it. I'll see. And I hope that I'll be the first to say, oh, man. Because I like the second half of the last season. I just, bad batch to me just, I think that might be the last one, guys.

No, I like you. I'm wrong. Rene Reyes, do you think Palpatine will show up an acolyte? No, he's too young. I think he's too young, right? It's supposed to, well, it depends. Is it 50 years before or 100 years before? Some said 50, some say 100.

It's 100. He's too, he's too young. So I don't know. Baby Grogu's nemesis, baby Palpatine somehow returns. Yoda will. Yoda will be in it. Miguel says, Zion, 25% Howard Stark, over under 25% Howard Stark and Peggy will appear in Fantastic Four,

since it'll be set in the 60s. And you all think that Bandara's Galactus will show up. I definitely think Galactus is going to show up. I don't think it'll be Bandaris. I think it's going to be Javier Bardam. But I do, the Howard Stark, Peggy question is a great question. What do you guys?

Oh, yeah. I think that's, I think it's going to be Howard Stark, Peggy, and maybe even Hank Pimp. I think we might get a D.H. Michael Douglas, who always looks amazing. I think we're going to get some throwback stuff. That would be great. Andrew Carnes, in Xman Days,

the future past a top 10. comic book movie I say yes I just watched it recently it's pretty damn good it's really good really good I'd have to go and really look into it and you know put together my list and see which ones I think but I don't top ten list is tough I immediately think a dark night you know um I night Iron Man yeah and I get yeah I get nostalgic though do like when I start to put certain movies in there to me there's certain comic book movies that you guys remember as kids that like stand out to you Superman too is like an all-timer for me and you guys

I mean, the crow is in my top 10. A lot of people don't even talk about the pro. Right. So that was it, guys. You know, overall, well, do you think as far as do you, what would you say top 10 for you guys on those two movies on that movie? Days Food Pass was probably top 20. They changed a lot unnecessarily and they rushed a bit.

But I do love it. It's just probably top 20. I love it. I can't give that answer off the top of my head because we know how ad infinim number of comic book movies they are. But I would say I'm fond enough of it that I'll agree with Coy in top 20. but I would have to really look at it. All right.

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So please definitely do that. And I'm super excited, man, just in the fact that I've actually been working on a very personal project of mine right now. I've been in the studio cooking, and it will actually be the first time that I'm directing a film. So, you know, it's definitely something I'm super excited about. There'll be some more news about that as things continue to go on. But until then, I'll see you guys the next time. We're on Kip's Kow's. Koi, where can they find you and your cat, Spidey?

Spidea Cat will be here at my home. I'll be on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube at Koi Jondro. And I'm really, really excited for like we're about to kick off the year, I guess, you know, for me with Dune. so I'm really excited to be doing more reviews and more conversations and stuff like this. I feel like we're like right there on the edge. There's before, June and after noon and this year starts soon. All right, guys, you heard it.

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