The Kristian Harloff Show - Is Shazam Fury Of The Gods a bad movie?! Spoiler Discussion

Episode Date: March 20, 2023

Sign up for the site: http://www.thekristianharloff.com Shazam Fury of The Gods is the latest DC Studios film and it stars Zac Levi, Helen Mirren and more. Is the movie any good? Did it work? It did poorly at the box office. Why is that? Does the James Gunn DC universe have anything to do with it? Is it a bad movie? Do people not care? We talk about the film at depth in this SPOILER HEAVY discussion of the film. Join Kristian, Winston and Coy. #shazam #DC #DCU #spoilers #furyofthegods  SUNDAY: http://www.getsunday.com/Bigthing MANSCAPED: http://www.manscaped.com/Bigthing Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-big-thing-kh-channel?ref_id=27393 FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg

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I got Coy and Winston, and we're ready to rock talking Shazam. All right. So as we said in our non-spoiler on, I think that we're all on the kind of same page. I enjoyed it, had some fun with it. you liked it, I think, the most out of the three of us, and you might have liked it a little less than I did. But we all agree that it was a fun movie, and the criticisms alone, I think, have...

I think we all share the same criticisms, even though, like, for me, the biggest thing that I had said was that the action is a little repetitive. The storylines are definitely repetitive. I think we've seen it so many different times, and I think it's one of the reasons. At this point, we'll know if it's done well.

My guess is that it didn't do that well. And if it didn't do that well, I think formulaic comic book movies should be a thing of the past, because people, there's so many of them, you have to make them different. And even if they're fun, kids have a lot of different things. I know this is geared towards kids.

Kids have a lot to watch. So the biggest criticism that I had that we can kind of get into on plot points here is that Zach Levi. I think that Zach Levi was, whether it's David F. Sandberg or the writers or whatever it was, they forgot that Billy Batson grew up.

And that he's 17 and 18, he's not 13 or 14 or whatever he is. anymore because exactly by acting like a kid from the beginning. Like when he's doing his meeting with them and he's talking to them and he's like, everything's a joke as far as like, look at, I'm an immature kid and there's, and he's, he's like almost like borderline obnoxious. He's supposed to be the second oldest person in that house. Right.

And he acts like the youngest. The fact that Darla still seems to be more mature than him doesn't make logical sense. And if Billy was like that, then I go, well, that's just how he is. Right. Billy's not like that. Asher doesn't play him at all. That way. So it's really hard for me because I see that flaw,

but I know that I also wouldn't have the glee and joy of the innocence of childhood without Zach playing it that way. Sure. I would have to just like change how the logic works or change how Billy's written when he's not Zach or something because I totally agree. You guys aren't wrong, but I wanted that innocence and childlike sensibility throughout, so it didn't bother me as much that bothered you?

Can you just do it? Couldn't you have just done it just told him, hey, let's just mature them up a little bit. You can still have him to be gleeful and everything too because Billy doesn't act that way. That's what I'm saying is like, I don't think Asher plays Billy gleeful at all. No, at all. But, like, that's the thing is you need Shazam to be gleeful.

You need that. So, like, I don't know what you do. I know what you do. You put Asher in the movie more. If you want to know why that keeps happening, is because since Zach is playing 95% of the movie, and this was my major gripe, is that Asher was not involved.

You did a Shazam movie without Billy Batson, more or less. And as you said, I think really well on Friday, is that it's like having a Batman movie without Bruce Wayne? Without Bruce Wayne, you can't do that because part of what makes Batman interesting is the fact that he has this other life to him. You know what I mean? And again, I mentioned this on Friday as well. Action movie stuff like that, that should manifest because you have no other way to express yourself.

That it's hit a fever pitch like in a musical where you have to sing. You have to go and fight this fight and all that kind of stuff. To have him there constantly, it's one thing when you're like, we're testing out all the powers. That makes logical sense because it's like, we need you in your superhero form. Can you shoot lightning? Can you teleport? Do you have matter display?

That makes sense. There's no reason for him to be around that much, especially from the standpoint of why is Kid Freddy in there constantly and you only see his superhero element once or twice. You know how I'd fix it? I'd have one line of dialogue in the therapist's office where it says I'm like acknowledging he's more comfortable as Shazam than is Billy because he feels like Billy has been let go whereas Shazam hasn't. Like the whole movie's about Billy.

feeling like everyone is throwing him away. Maybe Shazam doesn't feel that way. And that's why he's so childlike when he Shazam is because it's him being like, this is my freedom. This is my innocence. The problem is that you really have to like kind of think of, well, maybe that's why. Yeah. Yeah.

Just let it be the excuse for the writing. Tell us because that that, that is in the writing. And that's to let us know, like, oh, that's why he's acting that way. That's he's kind of regressing as you Shazam. But that's not in there because all the other kids that play. But like I said, like Megan Good, it plays. the character really, really well. Like, you know, like, yeah, she's probably like an 11, 12-year-old kid,

and I see that, like, the thing with the kitten on, the thing when she's where I'm... But I still would say, okay, I think that's just kind of like you... To believe that she's an adult. Like, it seemed... Adam Brody seemed 17. Adam. Adam was a perfect duo. And they're a month apart.

That's the problem to me that drives me crazy. Is Freddie still kept his childlike innocence? Right. But a 17-year-old child like innocent. Right. Whereas Asher is playing like someone in their mid-20s, which is fine, but then you need to match that with Shazam.

Yeah. And then so, and the story itself, it pushes towards Freddie because Freddie wants to be accepted, wants to have this, wants to go out on his own, which I like that story. I like that, that aspect of it. And he's going out and he's doing his own missions when, when Shazam's pretty much like, hey, you know, you listen, we're trying to do this thing all together. He's going out and then he meets Rachel Ziegler.

Like I said, this is the predictable thing. You know right away from the second she sets up and she goes, I have a sister. It's like, okay, well, she's related to them. And you know, and you know two things. One, you know that she's going to be not, she's going to be a god, you know that. And then you also know, because it's Rachel Ziegler and the way she's playing it immediately. She's not going to be bad.

You know she's going to be good immediately. But I did buy that she loved him and that she felt torn towards the sisters. I really enjoyed that they cast someone strong enough to both be, I'm a sister to these gods, and I love this mortal. And I bought when she was goddess up, and I bought when she was in high school in a really rare way. That's not an easy role to play. I know that you haven't seen the director's cut yet, but did you see Superman 2 at all? You've never seen Superman 2.

You've seen Superman 2. Wow. Caves and Cowles, Wark. is Superman. Anyway. So listen. Superman too. The show just got fired.

No, I just, you just guys won't, you guys won't know this. But for those people who are cultured enough to have watched Superman too, I will tell you, there, there are some moments in Superman in this movie that are very reminiscent to Superman to, when they're flying through the, the sky and they're coming into kind of go after both Lucy Lou and Helen Mirren. And I felt so much of the moment of Christopher Reeve as he's flying through to battle Zod and spoiler. Zod's in two? What?

Yeah. Michael Shannon's so young. And all of them. But either way, I like those moments and I like certain things that. But also, there were some that were a little, there were some CJA that was a little issue. I give that to any movie. That's this heavy in it. But you know what was an interesting thing?

Like they did the same thing that they did in the first one. Because remember in the first movie, the tone for the most part was. kind of light and there was some of the there's that really kind of scary board room reading thing they do that once in this movie me too and you know part because I thought when dude when the teacher jumps off the building kills himself yeah the

oh god it's so dark it's so dark Dieter just off himself and I thought Freddy played that brilliantly and the splat was dark it was they hurt it yeah I thought the opening didn't give it F dude it was genius that was a true comic book villain so the opening was a little dark when they introduced like the levels of it that moment was dark and then the third act I actually

enjoyed the creature design in this more than the first. That's the one thing I give this more than that. Because I thought the sins were fun, but like I wasn't invested in them. I thought having a chimera, having Greek God. Yeah, I like, I thought Helen Mirren. I thought the Yulah was hilarious to me. Yeah, I hated the Skittles thing and I'll tell you what. When they started it, when they started it, like that's clever.

But it's like clearly Skittles sponsored this movie. But I thought they were spoofing the Coca-Cola, what's it called ad with those awful sisters? What's this? Oh, they'll give you the. Hep C1 when they were trying to do the police reform? Yeah, I thought that one. To me, to me that was moving.

Yeah. Maybe, maybe. Because then I was like, oh, you're making a commercial, you're making your money, and you're making fun of the pop culture. If it turns out that Skittles didn't sponsor it, then there's no way it didn't. Because even when she goes, Taste the Rainbow, I'm like, and then the one almost F-Bomb Taster Room was hilarious to me. I thought that was genius.

When she's riding unicorn and she goes like Tast the Ram and Mother sold. Like that's so fun. But all that stuff was, I mean, fun. like I said in the non-spoiler. To me, the first one, the foster parents were fantastic. Yeah. They are regulated to watching the news in this. And then at the very end, they're like, well, we need them to do something.

Oh, yeah, they bought the house. How? They don't tell you that. Okay. Because they said that they're maxing out on this money and they don't have it, but they bought the house. How did they buy the house? Yeah, I need a lot of dialogue of like, we've been doing doubles. Yeah.

We figured out a way to buy the house. Yeah. And then it's like, oh, yeah, and the house is burnt down. But I'm cool with it because we're going to go fight. We're going to go fight trolls and stuff. What? It's like they had nothing to do. But the family coming into their room, I thought, paid off a lot of the family stuff.

Like that moment to me was enough. And I'm not complaining about it. But who wears that in bed? And that guy is lucky. Oh my God. For a long time. My wife ain't wearing that. And she's fully made up.

But you know what that is then? My dude locking it down. Oh, yeah. We got all these keys. We just pay for it. We got to make sure. That's still important. That's still important.

I got two kids. My wife looks gorgeous when she's, wakes up without makeup. But if my wife decides she wants to wear a, looking like Myrtle going to sleep, you know, I'm like, I get it. You've been with two kids. They've got,

and they've got kids from all age ranges, and she's shooting like she's in Victoria's secret. And I'm going, hey, listen, man, you do what you got to do. He's making sure that part of the family is in the house. Maybe she's taking it in there's selling the pictures, only fans. I don't know. It's a good market.

It's a good market. That's not, that's a great win. Everyone's happy. He's happy. But I also think that moment paid off the lack of them Because I did feel they were underutilized But that one scene I was like oh And it gave them something to do

Right, yeah, yeah And it gave the family a moment to be a family again as heroes Because the opening scene on the bridge I thought was a great use of both family and team And then I was worried that it wouldn't pay off With the foster parents And then that one scene I was like Oh, this is showing them as a team as a family

And then as a family unit So that's the thing I love with the first one is the sense of family So I think they nailed that And I like that they played that I like that they started with because they ended the movie With superheroes Billy decides to give it to it because it's his family and he wants to continue on. So now they're all working together.

Now what I realize is that it's Mary, right? Mary's the, she's the only one. She looks exactly the same both ways. Yeah, yeah. She doesn't age anymore. So didn't, don't they see her on the news? And don't the parents go.

That's what I mean. Thank you. That's what I mean. That was, when I told you like a logical fallacy aside, that was my big one because I was like, I guess her makeup changed, but that's clearly Mary Marry. Because here's the thing. I understand, like, if the rule is you're hitting peak, you're supposed to hit your peak body plus

superpowers. Right. And so at that point, She's in her, like, early to mid-20s. And she looks great all the way around. Right. But it's like, she didn't even wearing Superman glasses. Like, Clark came to something.

Oh, I don't know if that is anywhere. Oh, the outfit. The outfit just blinds me. I have no idea who you are. This person. But I did enjoy the joke about that that they kind of did with the Diane, with the Wonder Woman thing. But then they didn't do it for the Shazamily.

That's clearly just them. And that's what I was talking about, you brought it up. So there's two things with the Wonder Woman thing. The first part of it is they showed it. They showed Wonder Woman all over TV ads. No, they didn't. Oh, yes. I don't see it, but I'm avoiding it.

I don't watch TV traditionally like that anymore because most of it will be like I'll have Peacock or I'll have Paramount Plus. So then like the ads they show Ted not to be the TV teaser TV ads were they were marketing with her. That's insane. That was the stupid thing ever. They're scared. They're scared. They're scared. They're scared the same way that they, because what they saw was when the Rock started talking about Henry Cavill, ticket sales went up.

And it didn't, they still barely broke even or even if they did break even. But it went up. I think that's, they're willing to take a loss. Absolutely marketing on that because they're like, who cares as long as we can get people in the theater because we're tracking so bad. Because the joke playing off the first one is G. And that's the thing.

If you had left God, I was actually upset. This was my major, major gripe outside of astronaut being in it, really, was the DeiSX, Deis X Machina that was Wonder Woman at the end. And the reason why is,

I thought the joke was hysterical. With the wizard at the beginning. That was. Because I was wondering, are they going to show her? Are they going to show her? Right. Because I kept kind of... I kept it to the same thing.

It's so good. I thought it was like they took the cavil joke to the next level and then for it to be the wizard to be... Jammer Hunter. He's great. He's great. He's better in this than he was in the first one. But for you to then bring her back, if it had been like something like really quick and again, I think you don't show her face. I think I understand why you do it and you finally give us what everybody's like, oh, just kind up a little bit.

I think it was worth to have it. I think it was good. I like to see her. I like seeing her, but there's two. Here's my major issues with it. One for the tease of the idea, we know we're never getting this, potentially her in it ever again or it's not going to really pay off to anything. My biggest issue is the Avengers conversation.

Yeah. And what I mean by that is. Post credit? No. What we always used to have in the Avengers movies before the Avengers was, where are they all the time? Right. And it's like, well, we don't know where they are because they couldn't be there to film. She's there to film?

Then why wasn't she helping? Yeah. If she's that close. Now, I'll give you, I'll give you if they're not in the movie, then like they're off doing other things. They weren't around. Okay, fine. That's fine.

But even in Peacemaker, when they all show up at the end, it's like at the very, where was she? She's like, oh, I was, I'm able to help you out and make sure that he's not dead. And plus the, the emotional thing of Billy would have hit me more, but I knew he wasn't dead. But that was,

there was a moment I thought he died. Well, but that's the universe is ending. But that's, well, exactly. But that's also my problem is that Udaeus, Deus X Machinad, a very emotional. emotional beat where like if you would just let Billy actually sacrifice himself something like that and then if maybe you had done something similar to um god what was at the end of what bvs where you just had the little pebbles yeah that's enough to be

like oh shit is there a way we can do so but to just immediately i had just been like oh well they yeah i but i do if wonder woman came in the post credit i know but i do understand why you can't do that though yeah because this is marketed, for the most part, this is marketed towards kids. And kids are going to walk out of that movie. We're going to dive into that story and go, well, that was good. Listen, it sucks that he died, but it was emotional and it paid off. And when I was surprised when he actually killed them all. But they're not going to do that for this movie, especially when they know,

they know that this movie's not going to do well. They know they... But if I was 12, this movie would be my favorite thing. Like, this movie reminded me a pagemaster. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, this was late 80s, early 90s, adventure movies. This is a very fun movie for kids. This is a very fun movie.

be for kids. Like, you know what would have done? You know what would have been a great way to do it? If you're going to bring Wonder Woman in like that, and I understand you want to end on like some super crazy light tone again because of kids, the way you do it is like, I think we have one way that we might be able to save it. And then the very end, you're just like, say his name. And you just hear one more, like, Wonder Woman can hold it and just be like, but the flirting was cute. That's why they wanted. They wanted to pay off. And it's probably exactly, Levi going, hey, can I have a little bit. Can I have a ghost credit. That would have been hilarious. It's like, Now that he's back and you could just...

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Okay. So let's get into these post-credit scenes also. We'll dive into some more stuff with the movie, but the post-credit scenes were like really a bummer because they were good. And you look at them going, well, this isn't, there's nothing going to happen. It still plays into the thing. Even though the first scene is really good, I'm still going like, why is he? acting like this. It's like, how old is this kid? He's like, he's so stunted in his age, and he's out there shooting cans or whatever in the back. Like, again, like, remember in big?

Like, when he's 13, 14 years old, I could see that. But they show up there and both, and both the crew from Peacemaker show up to him and they're like, hey, we want to recruit. And it was, I thought it was hilarious bit. He's like, the justice. He's like, yes, society. Isn't that a little confusing? Because he says what we all think is confusing. I do it all the time. And I thought it was a great moment. So what does this mean? What do you think this means? I mean, we have been alluded to that Peacemaker isn't going anywhere. No, I don't know.

No, no, no, no, no. Now they say it is. Oh, what did that happen? I thought recently, I thought recently they said that it is done. I thought James Gunn said Peacemaker Season 2 is safe. It's safe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought you said that it was gone.

No, no, no, I'm saying it's going anywhere. Correct. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yes. Oh, I think you meant that it's, that it's, yeah, no, no, no, I meant that it's, that it's, yeah. So, so to that and we're getting a Waller show at some point. So clearly that is continuing. Yeah.

And that's part of the DCU. Right. And Justice Society is Wallers. So if she has a show and it's, you know what I mean? So like Justice Society is in Black Adam. Yes. And Waller has a show. I know.

It's weird. But Black Adam's not continuing. I just, I thought knowing that and then you keep that in because you could easily pull that. But you keep that in because you've made the decision, okay, this is going to exist somewhere. Like you were saying it previously, this might be the end of the solo ventures of Shazam and, you know, the Shazam family. but like at least acknowledging that Billy and Shazam will be around in some form or fashion one way or the other. And I think that that's essentially what that was alluding to. I feel like the bigger question then becomes that last post-credit scene with Dr. Zavanna and, what is it, Mr. Mind.

We got to remember. Yeah. We had to look it up. But Dr. Savannah and Mr. Mind, this idea of like it felt very, hey, I heard you, you don't like Spider-Man. I don't like Spider-Man too either. Right, right. But, you know, I'm a scorpion. You're a Voltramian.

Why don't we make a sinister seat? I don't know where that voice came from all of a sudden. But like that's what this felt like to me is the promise of like, we're going to really get this show. I don't know. I got to stop doing it. I don't know why I keep doing it. I'm not sure why your Mr. Mind is very specifically.

No, no, I'm doing the Scorpion voice. That was, that was your Scorpion. That was her. Oh, that was her. That was her boy from, yeah, yeah, yeah. That said, I liked that post-credit scene as a mustache twirling like this is preposterous. And it answered a lot of the like this post-credit scene never got paid off. And then the Justice Society, we clearly had just met Black Adam.

So if you can't have the rock show up, that's the way to tie it in. The Waller thing makes it confusing. But I do think with the rolling reboot, we can have these characters. And honestly, this movie I enjoyed so much, I want a rolling reboot more than the hard reboot. I had wanted a hard, get rid of everything. If you don't have half, if you don't keep cavil, get rid of it. But I had a lot of fun with this. I'm okay if they can work it, but can they?

Yeah, but not, but the whole thing, I bet you that, what they said was you can see it in the meeting, whereas Zazel's like, look, this thing's not tracking great, but if it winds up doing well enough, and we can make it, and you guys want to do an else world's thing within Gunn's Saffron, probably, obvious Saffron probably pretty attached to it, obviously for obvious reasons.

And they're going, let's see. And that's why they mark it with Wonder Woman. That's why they do all these things. And when it doesn't pay off, they're going, I don't know. We know, we like working with Zach. We like doing this stuff. Maybe we just kind of put them in and do this stuff. But I do think it's ultimately confusing.

I was with you. I think they should have just rebooted the whole damn thing. I think it's just too confusing. But I think that the reason why they said we're keeping the door open and doing all this stuff is because of the opportunity for profit for some of these movies and by like the Flash is going to do handover investors. It's going to do really, really long.

I don't think Alka Man is though. And I don't think they're leaning into Blue Beetle enough. I would even make the argument if you're going to do post-credit scenes, knowing what you're about to do with Flashman. We obviously don't know quite yet what's going to happen in that storyline. A post-credit scene should have had some sort of type. of that. It should have been like, if it is some little thing without giving any flash stuff away where it's like the timeline alters in some way, that to me would have made more sense.

It should have done a reshoot on it or something because it's not even getting rid of that scene, but getting rid of the one Mark Strong because the one Mark Strong scene, as fun as it was with the Caterpillar. It only ties into it. It only ties into the third movie. Yeah. It ties into like him coming, he's alive and he's in this cell and he's going to go back and it's like now it's like, okay, you can bring him back again. It's like, who cares? I love Mark Strong. You really like that scene. Here's how you wed the two ideas of having the Flash be involved and having Mark Strong and whatnot with Mr. Mine.

Have a situation where that scene plays out. And then all of a sudden you just see like speed force essentially ripple effect. And like they disappear out of existence mid-conversation. Wait, what just happened? Like Venom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Have them ripple out. And then we're like, wait, what?

Right. And either you hear the Flash music or you see the Speed Force Lightning or something. I'm telling you, this movie, this movie as much as, People don't want to say it. This movie, unfortunately, is a throwaway film. It's a throwaway film. But it's a fun one versus Quantumania, which shouldn't have been. 100%.

Well, the difference is, I think, though, quantumania is in the throwaway movie because it can, because it still tells the story of what's happening, you know, with, because Kang is really introduced in that. But when you end Quantumania, there's no effect on the MCU. Oh, I don't disagree with you. So that's why I throw away accidentally. But he's, but there's still enough of Kang where you learn him a little bit more, so you can, you can say, this.

has nothing to do with anything. And it is a fun movie, and I think it is way more fun than Quantumania, for sure. But it's a throwaway movie because it's not going to do very well. And the difference is even though Quantumania probably is barely going to break even, if it does. It's still, it doesn't hurt the MCU. And it doesn't. I thought it did already. Didn't it hit 800 finally?

Am I? Am I smoking? I think it's like five. I think it's like low low. I don't think that movie's going to approach eight personally, but I could be wrong. While you're looking that up, I do want to say that I think they really nailed the This Needs to Feel Different than other superhero movies while the story was generic. The tone was really unique.

Oh, yeah, it's not even at four. Holy man, that is terrifying. Let's see, let me see if it's actually what the number is. That was February 27th. Yeah, that's why I'm saying. Oh, okay. Right now it's at 450. Okay, so that's what I'm approaching five.

And the, let me see what the budget is. Quantumania Budget, Quantummania. I'm guessing it's at least two. Yeah, which is. It should be four to clear. 200, yeah. It's 200. So it's made 50 profit.

Well, no. Yeah, well, let's say. So 200, you're probably looking at close to 350 budget with marketing. Oh, yeah, I was going to say four would be clean. So, yeah, but. So you just started turning. I think they probably just around that, even if you say, even if you just say that it's 200 for marketing, even if you say, so they barely, they just broke even. So, but still, that's not great considering all the other stuff.

But this movie is not going to know this. I think this was $200 million budget or like $180. There's no way, because the first exam was way lower. There's no way that they... I think the first was 90. I think this is $1.25 for the first one's $100. So they added $25 more. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right. So, I mean, that's, that was smart to keep it at that. That was smart to keep it at that. So this needs to clear $250. About that, about, yeah, worldwide. They got a shot. They got a shot. But not if it's tracking it at $35 million, though.

$35 million. That's what I'm saying. If it hits $85 million, opening weekend domestically. It's because the drop-off is just going to, is going to massacre them. Because John Wicke is, because of everything that's coming afterwards.

The drop-off will massacre. Because Mario's going to do big numbers. Dungeons I hear is exceptional. I hear that. I hear that here D&D is insanely good. Love to hear that. And that's coming out the week after. Right afterwards.

Right. So like you've got John Wick into D&D into Mario. It's a lot. All right. So before we go, like I said, we talked about the Mark Strong thing. It's just kind of got, it's cute scene, going to go nowhere.

And then everything else, like Helen Mirren was so, was great. Helen Mirren, by the way, who I love so much because I've always loved, but 1923, I love the Fast and Furious reference that they throw to her for sure. But I think that what she did really well is to see as where I knew Rachel Ziegler was obviously good. Helen Mirren turning at the end and being the one, I thought was a nice little touch. And I thought it played it real well. And Lucy Lou was, I thought, made a lot of sense to be the one who's just like, no, screw them, you guys are losing sight of what we're here for.

And they're, I believe they're good. Helen Mirren's speech was so good. I was like, man, I'd be an upset God too. And she added a gravitas that allowed the sword and sandal stuff to work better than the Thor movies have. Favorite moment in the movie was when she was reading the tablet. Oh my God. And Steve, the Steve dictation of the pen. Oh, my God.

That was great. That was great. That was hilarious. Like the way that she dead pan wrote it, like she wouldn't know what the hell was more. And Jacksonville and Grazer. Jack Dylan Grazer is so funny. That bit was really funny. It was really good.

Dear, dear sisters. Good one, Steve. Yeah. Should we Should we delete this? No, Steve doesn't make mistakes. I'm hilarious. I love Steve every time he's on screen.

And then when Megan Good, little Megan Good pops up and Steve's in the car, I'm like, yeah, like I had so many exclaim moments that it is so worth the- Forgetting Freddy's name was a good bit. Like, Deem Anshu in this, like I was so happy every time. He was great. No, that's the thing. I'm not not, the only acting that I might look at and go,

it's just because Zach overcooked the age thing. Other than that, the acting across the board for me was very, very solid with everybody. But yeah, man, I will stand by it until I died. The one thing that really took me out of it is I need Billy to be in situations. It's a good point. It's a good point.

But look, there's really not much to say. The movie is that if you liked it, you liked it. If you didn't, you didn't. I thought it was a lot of fun. I did think the tone was pretty good, honestly, and I thought there were some really good jokes. But I can understand why, because of the formulaic nature of this movie, if it didn't do well, again, we were shooting this before we know the box office, if it didn't do well, I understand why. With all the competition, the idea that

there's so many superhero movies now and we've been, we're so deep into the genre, it doesn't surprise me. Plus the fact that if you are connected into this space and paying attention to the DC year, you're going, well, why does this matter if it doesn't matter? So, that being said, me and Winston and Coy will see you guys very, very soon. But before we do, Winston, we're going find you. I mean, at the swaggy blur on all the platforms, man. Got a lot of fun stuff on my YouTube and on my TikTok, and I'm streaming again over on Twitch.

Let's come hang out. Shoot the shit. Can find me on TikTok and Twitter and Instagram and YouTube, all at Coydjondro. And I do think this movie's refreshing. So I would recommend you check it out. I know it's not going to do as well as I want it to, but I hope it does well enough. All right, guys. So for that, thank you for joining us.

Make sure, once again, if you haven't already done it, get us to that road. We're almost there. But for myself from Winston and Coy, we're at. out of here. See you on the flip sign. Peace.