The Kristian Harloff Show - Is Spider-Man No Way Home the BEST Spider-Man Movie? SPOILERS! | The Big Thing

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there we are. Oh, man. All right, look, I know some of you already, like, why did you put a spoiler review out on Saturday and not Monday? Because this is the Monday one. It's the spoiler conversation. I had a spoiler review that came out on Saturday.

And guess what? If you saw it, you watched the spoiler review, and if you didn't see it, you waited. But now it's a spoiler conversation because I knew I was going to have it. It was going to be me and Winston and Koi. And I've been looking forward to this conversation for a while. We did our rewatch series of the Spider-Man series.

And by the way, it's spoiler. So there you go. and man, did we expect, we did expect this, but this was the end game, as they said, of the entire Spider-Man franchise. This wasn't just the end game of, you know, Tom Hollins. This was all of them. And we're going to talk about all of that in just a little bit.

But I'm very excited to get into this. It's probably going to be a longer episode if I was going to guess. And there's so much to talk about. And if you didn't know already, if you're brand new to the channel, please subscribe. If you are brand new to it, then subscribe. If you have already part of the channel and you didn't know to hit those notification buttons, do that, please. Very, very important to do that. And the other thing, the big thing, it is on podcast form and it is very important.

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Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the big thing. It is going to be myself. It is going to be Winston. And it is going to be coy. If I could ever find the actual music to the damn episode, I'm going to get to it. I promise you. Here we go, ladies and gentlemen, it is the big thing. Let's get to it, everybody.

Come on. Look at. All right, everybody. What's up? Big thing. Spoilers. Spider-Man. No way home.

So many theories we put out on these shows over the last couple of weeks. Somebody right, somebody wrong. When I say wrong, I look at Poizantra. Hey, I swing for the fences, man. You were close. I was a few times. You were like, what? Spidey is going to be trapped in some Sony.

That's what you said. And you were close. It is the same conclusion. It's just a different method of getting there. And a completely different method. So what I wanted happened. It's just, I. would have written it differently and I'm happier this way. So like I got my Z, my X and Y was different.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's cool. Because the Z is what I wanted. And here we are. So we all Oh my God. I think it's my favorite. And I was just talking to Winston. When I walked out the first time, it was tied with Spider-Verse. The second time, I think it put it just over the edge. I think this is my favorite Spider-Man film of all time. It's, you know, I'm, I'm going to hold back and saying that yet because of the whole, you know, it's so fresh. And I had that problem. And I still might change because I needed to marinate. Yeah. But I've never felt this way.

It's got some special moments. It's got a lot of special moments. I have to say beyond a shadow of a doubt, and I think the reason why, I mean, there's, there's certain elements about Spider-Verse for me that are still just untouchable, but I haven't seen it a second time yet. I feel like I might. One of the things that I think was so special about this, you remember even some of the better Spider-Man films that we've talked about over this rewatch where we're like, here's

this flaw and here's that flaw. It's not to say that this film doesn't have. have flaws. But the things that really didn't stick the landing for us in some of these other films, even the best ones, completely did it. Like, for example, I mean, I guess we were talking about an amazing Spider-Man, how Uncle Ben's death doesn't have quite the same Geneseecois in it. And they acknowledge that immediately.

But killing Aunt May and the way you kill him and the funny. Spoiler, spoiler. I'm sorry. And the way you did it, I was like, oh, shit, I won't lie. I was very like, I don't know if you heard you heard you. You heard you. You heard you. You heard you.

And then afterwards, like, I muttered and I don't think you heard this. I was like, it's when my fist still coming, though. Because I literally was like, I was like, if you're going to kill it at May, that seems like the next natural conclusion. And what I'd like to do, though, too, similar to what I did on the, on the spoiler review on Saturday was I want to kind of take it from the beginning of the movie and kind of venture through it. Because I, there's so many expectations to this movie and we've had conversations. Will it, will it live up to those expectations? Oh. Go right.

Are you guys that answer? Are you not physically here? Are you driving right now? Actually, that wasn't actually Winston. That was Alex. Just like instead of Tom, it was Toby and shit. Also, I need to know. We'll get there.

I gotta save it. I got to hold it back. So I got some thoughts, as you might imagine. I'm sure you do. All right. So the movie itself starts off. What I loved about, I loved, they told you right away the tone of this movie in the opening with the voiceover.

of the, you're hearing Jake Gillen Hall. Yeah. Ratting him out, doing the whole thing. And then the fact that he's, that moment when they, when everybody finds out, it's like when you're sitting at home and you do something stupid. And then somebody starts tweeting out at you about it. Like, and imagine the whole world is tweeting. Yeah. At that moment.

And he's like, wait, you're spite of this. And he's a child. Yeah. He's a child. And so that moment to me really worked. I agree. I love that immediately MJ was the, one in peril because that's like it kind of represents the reality of he's he's up there like literally

funny line too about i thought you're dead like me not anymore yeah and like so mj's like the ground uh she's she's the one that would encounter the stuff first and i really love how there was an immediacy of like rescuing her and like saving her and like there was a there was an immediate spider man moment of the web swinging through new york which we talked about but it was with purpose like they were like hey we know you want a friendly neighborhood spider man we know this is a giant sinister six spider-verse movie but while we're here let's give you some web swing in new york let's give you some mj moments, let's give you those things that we know you want. And then the rest of the movie systematically goes through and delivers on friendly

neighborhood Spider-Man moments, but in the grandest scale possible. This did exactly what it needed to. I think one of the things that got me is like, I didn't think the film was going to stay at 100% as far as like the tomato meat or shit. But there was the very first negative review that came out that was like, you should spent time telling us more about the characters, my, my, my, and I was like, first of all, it's been 20 years. Second of all, if not even the 20 years, the last, what, five with the two films,

but third of all, the entire first act, if you were not aware of what the fuck was going on, connects you immediately to what's going on. Oh, did I say that for it? Yeah. I love that you don't even know. Yeah, it's just a part of you. You got to understand. It's being Southern and Black, bro.

I can't help it. That just flies off the handle. That's fair. Well, this movie, though, you know, when it starts out, and I was through the trailer, nervous, because I like the first two movies a lot. And I'm just having a conversation with Matt Nose. He's not a big fan of Far From Home, right? That movie gets better for me.

I know you felt the same way, too, as far as Nose did, right? Didn't you? No, no, no. I love it. It has gone down a little bit, but I still love it. I think this movie makes that one even better. Yes. And I liked Far From Home a lot, but what I am always,

the stuff that I have said that I don't love about Far From Home is the Ned stuff of the silly, you know, oh, Peter, when Peter people are in love and all that crap. And so I was worried going into this one. I'm like, oh,

they're going to do this, this Scooby-Doo, Hardy Boys thing. And I'm going to, and they're going to be in a really nice moment and then they're going to ruin it with them. Oh, we got to put the kids together.

The kids worked in this movie. Oh, man. They worked because of the bond, the bond that they, that they have all together. There was some, I said it, 90% of the humor worked.

10% didn't. That's a great ratio. That's a rare ratio. That's a rare ratio of any film. Yeah, It's good. And, you know, you take as many jokes as you can, but there's, it's even, I guess maybe because I've seen it, there were too many trailers for this movie, first of all, way too many,

TV trailers, everything too, because. Oh, I stopped watching TV stars. Because the dude, dude, dude, dude. Like, that whole thing, like it was a, which one was it? The opening when, the very opening when, when MJ's on. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was a cute moment. It was cute enough because it's the pace in which everything is happening.

Yeah. It's 100 miles an hour from how he's swinging from, from, Like through the sewer everything like no no no no like okay no more swinging no okay down no no no don't leave me up here don't let's go in the sewer let's never go back down there again let's do regular swing like yeah yeah but i but i again i guess that's why for me i was so befuddled by people that were like there's no character development because because that is that by itself tells you exactly how peter is because he's like oh i'm so sorry i'm so sorry and mary chain be like oh my god like it it was so much so fast connection he even says

I'm the most famous person in the world right now. And I'm still broke. And I'm still broke. And it's trying to figure out how to make. That's a fear of mine. It's like how to make. We work on the internet. That's real.

That's just what we got. It's a fear. It's like it's like how do I make all of this work? And then obviously there's this scene, the major scene where he's there with. This was the part that I was that I still wasn't all the way on board with yet. Like, because Tom Holland, major movie store already. Yeah. Next, next stratosphere.

Oh, this performance is a showcase. This is his best. that he's ever done. But it wasn't his performance as much it was a character choice that I was like, I don't know about this. So he's bombarded by all of this attention. Yeah. And for so long he's been trying to hide his identity.

And now the whole world knows. And it's this and it's really like traumatizing after what just happened with Jileneal. Right. So he gets there and he's trying to, and it's like this sitcom moment with Happy and May. Yeah. And I didn't understand why Happy and May had to, why they were breaking up and fighting. That was never really explained.

Because, because in the last movie, because Happy, like, wanted it more and she was, like, trying to break it off at the Feast Center and far from home.

Really? They were trying to break it off? Yeah. No, she broke it off because they, so the same way that Ned came back with Betty, which the other thing about that, I don't know if you knew,

I'm sure you knew this, that Ned and Betty were married in the comics. Yeah. So that's why they kind of had that thing. And a divorce happens because of the whole Hobgoblin shit. Yeah, because that's enough time to it.

Yeah, No, I get it. After a plane ride? I get it. I get it. But that was the whole thing is that, is that happy fell in love with May and May was like, oh, dude, you too much. Like, we, we, we.

He wanted something and she was like, this was supposed to be. This was a summer fling. Yeah, and then this one, she says fling again as a callback. So that was all set up. All right. So that, then, then fine. If I go back and watch that, I don't know. Fine, and I have less of a problem with that.

But the problem, I think that when they, when they're sitting around and he's revealing it, even though it's a funny bet. Yeah. And he's just like points in hell. helicopters are outside. I just didn't feel like the urgency of guys. I wanted to see him more like, shut up you. Like they were fighting more and trying to get back together. I got to, I really got to tell you something more so that it was. So that's also a call back to the last movie where he was trying to not talk about stuff by talking about their relationship. Remember it with the answer? I know, but this is different.

This is different. This is this is your entire life crashing on you right now. And I think his escapeism is trying to focus on other people at Spider-Man. He's trying to make sure other people are good. This is, this is probably the only complaints you're going to really but but but but and I get that I think the other thing about it though remember they didn't walk in and he's like bust in the front door like help me he's standing there naked because he's trying to take the costume off so it's so it's and again funny bits but but but I think that's why he couldn't immediately get it out and he was more concerned about trying to hide it because he was like he was like it's not it was not it's not something for me that like like it's not

something for me that's going to take my enjoyment out of it when I was right it's just if you compare it to the stupid thing with nis it's not it's not something that you compare it to the stupid thing with Ned and Betty on the plane, which I think is ridiculous and dumb as opposed to this. This is cute. This is funny. There's some good bits. And it's really probably one of the few complaints you're going to hear me talk about this movie at all. That's fair.

Because that happens and it's needed. And then there's the Matt Murdoch. Oh, which. So quickly. I got to, I got to, it was super fast. I didn't think it was coming this fast. But I got to talk about this. Because the only thing to me that almost didn't work because he's obviously, he's like peak human

condition. he's not a super strength or anything like that. Obviously his reflexes are there. The fact that he caught a brick at maximum velocity barehanded, that was the only thing. He's a very good lawyer. No, no, no, no. No, no. You're not good.

That was a funny line. But I was like, bro, put your stick up, like, fucking, like, hit it with the no. That's two. Oh, no. Yeah, I was, I heard that one. I heard that one. A little spice on it. I felt little.

It had some spice. I was the only thing that I was like, bro, you're not super, super strength, like super standard. Yeah, but I feel like with Daredevil, the way he. He's been able, he's a physical, like his fists or like he uses his cell. His hand's going to be able to endure some stuff. Brick full speed, bruh. I mean, it's a human throwing a brick, a human catching a brick.

I think he's got it. Oh, right. See, that didn't bother me. Yeah, doesn't bother me. Because I don't know enough about the character to know whether he can do it or not. And the fact that he can still do all these. His reflexes can. He could definitely stop it.

Either way, it didn't bother me. The fact that he was there and the introduction to it. Yeah. This was an introduction to the character for the only reason to say. It's in the MECU. He's in the MCU, which I'm all good for it. You didn't need him in the movie. He wasn't necessary to the plot.

It was just to let everybody know, hey, guess what? And if you've just watched Hawkeye, guess who's bad? Now it all ties back in. And now it ties back in. If only that had been a surprise. Yeah. I mean, look, well, yep, it happened. Oh, does it?

Does it? I said it happened. But I think that moment was one of those, like, Aunt May is cool with him being a superhero. I think she knew that, that, I think she knew about Matt. I, like, to me, I sense that that reflex wasn't a surprise to May or happy, which I dug. I feel like there was a knowledge of... You think they knew that he was there? I think the reason that, like, May hired him was like a certain...

Happy might have know. Yeah. I mean, Happy knows about all this crap. It feels like... Happy would, it would make sense. Only Peter seems surprised that that thing got caught. The way that, the way that happy acted the whole time, though, it seems like he didn't. Maybe...

I agree with you maybe on May. Because it's also like her, like, I have a superhero problem. I find a superhero lawyer. Like, you know, and have it like, my son, my nephew has this thing. Who do I get the guy that would understand that? And I'll tell you what, though, I'll push back against myself and say how it's not, I mean, anybody could have done, it didn't have to be Matt Murdoch. But the reason why the lawyer in general was important was to let us know, because I was also worried about, all right, so this whole thing is going to be about him now. They're going to put him on trial.

And they're going to say like he's, it's his thing. They're going to say he's guilty of the murder. Then we've got to go through a trial. And he's like, look, these charges aren't going to stick. Right. And he's, oh, great. It's like, well, not too great. Because this is the world that we live in today.

Right. It's about public opinion. Right. You're guilty first. And we needed a lawyer to tell us that. It's right. You're guilty first on Twitter before you're guilty. But I actually, I'm saying, it sounds like you loved it too.

But I love that because, A, like you said, we do not have to go through that entire. That entire, because I didn't want to do that. Too much. It would have been a three-hour movie. But like you said, it does speak to what it is going on. right now where you may not be in legal trouble but you are done. We're in trouble. Which we get right away. We don't want to get

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And you just watch him as he's looking on the side. And he's just like, yeah. So they apparently shot more stuff. So I'm really hoping that's in the DVD. There's more teacher stuff. Because I was hanging out with them after the premiere. Like I was hanging out with Handball and J.

And like it was. And that's what I wanted to see more of was like that those moments. Because you know, as at the premiere and I got to have those moments. I like one. I wanted to have the moments, whereas you're saying we didn't get. the the Spider-Man persecution and courtroom, I did want a little bit more, like maybe five more

minutes of Spider-Man on the run dealing with ramifications. And I get why we had to move because we had a sinister six to get to. But I could have used a little bit more school personally. Yeah, I was all right with it. I think it was a good setup because what it did for me was lead us into this next big story arc, which I can't agree with anyone who says it didn't have an arc or character. It's insane to me. It showed more about what really Peter cares about, right? And that's this connection, not only to MJ, but to his friends and the bond that have because all he wants to do, he just wants to give, he wants to be a normal kid, he wants to get the hell out, and he wants to go to school with his friends.

And the idea of, and you knew it, though, you knew the heartbreaking moment was coming. Like, he's not getting into all these schools. You know it, he's not going to get in because of this, this, what's going down. Well, see, the thing that was so weird to me, and this has always been a gripe for me with movies in general. I don't know about you guys when, when you got your letters. When I got in, it was a big ass packet. Oh, it's a different, yeah.

It's a no is this and a yes is this. Exactly. Not just a small envelope. That's like, go after yourself. You know when you get it in the mail. I caught that one. But well, Thanos also didn't exist in our life too.

Oh, that's true. In this reality, it's all one letter. So, so, yeah, it's a variant.

It's a variant, right? Letter variant. It's a variant. It's all digital. So the letter says you're in. Go to this link. Yes. So,

yeah, I think that moment in particular, again, why that review was insane to me was the fact that, that everything that he cared about personally, about science, about, like you said, his friends, that all being completely erased.

And you're getting that same moment that Toby got, which is going to tie later in the story of like, so what do I do? Am I Spider-Man or am I, I peer? And it gets brought up by Stranger. It's a white man in the movie. It's the entire theme. And it's the motivation because I was curious,

well, why is he going to Dr. Strange? just because they don't know, because everyone knows he's Spider-Man now? Like, what's the real motivation? The motivation is not that. It's because it's affecting his friends. Yeah. It's not him. He doesn't even come for himself?

No, and he tells the administration person it's not about him multiple times because he's a hero. Because in the trailer, in that trailer, you're like, okay, so he's just doing it because he doesn't want people to know. That's how he's going to deal with it. It's like, no, it's not that. It's because he doesn't, he's, he's not selfish. He cares enough about both of his pals that he doesn't want to screw it up.

And the story this is based off of he's so selfless that he's willing to sacrifice his love. for Aunt May because it's about not himself. So they did that really well in this where it's like not about Peter. He very much doesn't want to be about Peter. And I really dug the scene when they're talking about going to school and you know Ned's like a wicked crime which as a Bostonian I needed that moment.

But I really like that the whole thing was about he's going to continue this on as long as it doesn't hurt his friends. And they do that in really subtle ways. Like hey, we're going to live together and I'm going to do my thing as long as it doesn't... And I like that they're also bonding with him. And they're like of course. You're part of the crew. And then you have Flash who's trying to get involved now in Flash shows up like the and they give him the blonde hair.

Yeah. You know, and no sleep till Boston in my t-shirt. And it was, and it was funny that how that all that kind of played in because now he's accepting what I, and I also like the fact that because for so long he wants to be Spider-Man's best friend, but he hates Peter Parker.

Yeah. But the fact that he, he still, there's that great scene when he's trying to call him on the phone. He's talking to him like Peter Parker, but yet he still wants to be his best friend. Yeah. It was,

it was a very subtle and, and fun moment. Yeah. It was also that funny callback because two homecoming where he's like, I know, I know Spider-Man is. He's like, oh, do you? And he's like, what do you?

What do you call him, penis Parker? Yeah. As I would have, like, making fun of it. So it's funny to see that. But I love that, again, the tone here is, this is about Peter becoming a man and what man he's going to be. So even the fact that, like, I made the decision to be Spider-Man. You didn't.

You were just, so I'm not going to have you suffer for any of the things that I was involved in, no matter if you were with me from the start. Like, this is about me. And he tries multiple times to also be. to also be like, you're not coming with me. You're not doing it. It's just me. I'm going to handle it.

So before we get into, ultimately what is this, after that first part of it, and the way that's all beautifully set up of why he needs to go there. That's the reason why I really enjoy the beginning and the development of it because it's like, okay, now I know exactly why he needs to go there. But before he went there, he, what did he do? He was shaving his balls on a bathroom. I don't know if you guys knew that. So fresh, so clean.

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So he saves his best. balls and he goes on over to Dr. Strange. Yeah. This is one of the ones. I'm not sure if I want to call you out on it because I don't remember if you said it or not, but I think you did. Did you think that that Dr. Strange was the was the what if doctor Strange. I was sitting. I was saying I didn't think so.

I play both sides admittedly. I think they did that specifically the trailer because the wink didn't happen. If you remember in the trailer, they had him wink at it. And I think that was specifically to throw off people. And they did it exactly that week that what if came. They knew what they were doing. They knew what they were doing. And I felt just from the way that the what if played out as well,

it wasn't going to make sense for him to show up now because he is opted to watch over Kilmonger and Ultron fighting each other. So it would only happen if some major, and I think that as we'll get also to the end of the film, the post credit, it makes more sense having seen that post credit scene than it would for this film. Absolutely. And so he gets there and this was, to me,

one of the funnier scenes because of the payoff. Peter goes, tells him, hey, man, you got to do this for me. And he's like, I really like this kid. You can tell you. He doesn't have the same things. I really like this kid. Like what he's doing here. He's helped out so many different times.

We've been to space together. I'm going to throw him a bone. Hey, he has Bennett Wong. And I loved that whole thing of why he's not the Sorcerer Supreme. Yeah, the five-year flip-law. He's been gone for five years, you know, and that, that relationship that they have overall. Yeah. Does that happen? Does Wong become Sorcer Supreme at some point? There's like a one spinoff storyline where it happens, but it's not quite a what if, but it's adjacent or it's not the scope of what it is in the show.

That end, the other thing that was interesting to me, I'm fine with creative liberties and whatnot. It was just weird to just be like, oh, we're just going to put the same to sing-o-sing to a blizzard came through. I don't, there was no reason for it. It had nothing to do with the story. It just was a thing. It added a Christmas element, which I really enjoyed. I guess maybe that's what holly-jolly flavor. That was it. They needed a little winter in it. I was fine and I was fine with it. And I love that Wong was like, fine, but I'd leave me out of it.

And he takes off. He's like, okay, fine. So they do the spell, and he allows him to do this spell. And you can tell Wong's been lightning up, but he's been doing. I like that he makes reference to Shang Chi without making reference to Shang Chi. I like that they explained a giant reason for him gathering people in like a one line of dialogue. Yeah. Like him being sorcerer's pream, what he's doing, what he's been tasked with his higher responsibilities.

That was really clever. A thousand percent makes sense why he, even though, I mean, I guess they saw him in the fighting arena. As you're saying about gathering him, why he was there or not Dr. Strange. Strachian. Exactly. High responsibilities. And if he was blipped, you would need someone for those five years. And it would make sense that Wong, they very smartly made Wong

and not a sidekick. That was really problematic in the comics in the 70s. So they've done a really good. Not anymore. And it shows you how good he is. Oh, Ben-Iquant. He's so talented. So, anyway, then the whole movie really starts with the spell. And as the spell is going on, and Ellis was going to have and probably does have a problem with in the trailer,

how it's essentially the same thing that happens with Star Lord in Infinity War. When they have the gauntlet, they have it, and then Star Lord screws the whole thing up by getting mad, and they could have ended it right there, right? So he's like, this is the same thing. You just would have been quiet and not said anything, and this kid's going to screw up the, he's going to be the reason for this because he's going to screw up the whole.

That's the whole spell. He then sacrifices everything for the kid that's kind of doing it. but he's also a kid and the idea of, I liked it a lot because as he's sitting there and he's saying, oh, wait a minute, but everybody? He's like, can you just do MJ? And he's like, all right, fine. He's like, well, Ned.

Yeah. Okay, fine. Hey, may. All right, that's it. He's like, happy. And then he throws it like, no, I'm not happy. I'm pissed off. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, I'm happy.

And then that's the one that starts to break it. And it all made more sense at that point as, like, and then you know, okay, here it comes. Yeah. Yeah. And it totally worked for me because it was, true to the character of Spider-Man, is true to the character of Doctor Strange,

because he's like curmudgeonly, but not a bad guy. That gives us another excuse to have that happy name be. Like, it all very much works for me. And to me, it was a maturation of him willing to sacrifice all that at the end.

What happened? You just triggered something for me. Because do you remember, because we've already gone past this, but when they're all under arrest and whatnot, the photo of the photo of the photo of the moment? Oh my God, the bullet?

From Iron Man 3, the Iron Man 3, the Iron Man 3 era, which there was a nice throwback. But what's even better of that is that he goes, at least they used a good picture. Yes. Yes. Yeah, I love. There's a lot of one, two jokes in this. The one two jokes in this really works.

Really good. It's leveled out. That's the humor. People have been, like, normally. There's one particular commenter that I've actually really appreciated recently. And every time he writes, like, good review. Well, my question is, did the jokes land for you? I'm saying that.

And the jokes landed for me. There you go. They did. You know, that one definitely landed for sure. I also love that a lot of those are character building, unlike this reviewer's opinion. I really enjoyed when Aunt May and Zendaya both were like, remember don't take your lawyer. And that bonded them together.

The fact that Ned accidentally, like, just completely snitched on it. Yes. I know I do nothing. Which is all character buildings. Consistent to the character. Yes. He couldn't keep his mouth shut for the entire trilogy. So yes.

This reviewer is wrong. I do not mind. I do not mind when jokes are given out. I mind when they're just given out to everyone when it's not consistent. character and that didn't seem like the case to me. And there was the other thing that we'll get to that I, and I know that it was part of the comics that Ned becomes one of the sorcerers and stuff.

It's not. It's not the sorcery becomes hobgobb. That's what I was saying is like, I wasn't sure. Which is a great nod when the green goblin later on. And he's like, if there are other Ned leads, that to me was. And he says, don't worry.

I won't get. Or my best friend trying to murder me. But the green goblin scene where, we're goblins talking to Ned. And then Ned goes, I wonder if there's other Ned Leeds and looks it up. That is a moment for me where Ned Leeds steals a green goblin costume and dies it. And that's how it becomes a hobgown.

So in that scene, I was like, well, I just, it was very similar to me, where one of my biggest critiques where I've kind of come around to now, because I think they've developed a little bit more of her personality in Kate Bishop for Hawkeye, is that I just thought she was a little too accepting to jump into it all right away and just start kicking everyone's ass and everything.

But I think now she's, especially episode five by the time this airs, we've already seen it. She's a little bit more like, oh, I've tried so hard. I've always wanted to be Avenger to get into that.

One of the line explained it, but my grandmother says, I can use magic and portal start opening up. There's, I mean, Dr. Strange had to train. Right.

You know what I mean? Like Wong had to change. And he's just opening up portals and doing this stuff. And I was like, it's really for the big moment. Yeah. So I was forgiving of it.

Yeah. But that's the type of thing where it's just like, okay, he's just now, they need him to do something now too. and so he's he's magic. And then he gets recruited by Strange, but we'll get into that.

We'll get into it because we got to get into the actual, the moment before the highway scene, which changes the entire movie. Right. Which happened an hour before I expected it to. It happened a lot sooner than I thought. Like I thought the third act was going to happen in an hour and a half and instead the first act is a third act.

The second act is like a weird second act in a play. Like this was a five-act structure. This thing was something else. But by having it in that early, it shows you why it was. was necessary to show it in the trailer because if you don't show Molina and Defoe and these people, you can't tell anybody what this movie is about. Yeah.

Because they're whole, we didn't, I remember at one point, when we find out a detail about why they're there in general, we both at the same time, we're like, oh, all right, okay, now that makes sense. But before we get into this highway scene, another good character building thing was this thing that ultimately leads to the end of the movie. but at Zendaya coming up and saying, what did you try to do here? And he's like, well, I wanted to put this spell

where everybody was going to forget about me, not you guys, but it's just like, well, I like the plan, but consult with us, homie, you know, let us know what's going on. And he's like, and I mentioned this in my spoiler, this is why I think Tom Holland is such a great actor. And we've mentioned this. Every time we mention Braveheart, I mentioned that scene.

But the eyes, he doesn't really say much in that scene. Right. She tells him that she just wants to be involved in it. And he looks and he's just like, he's like a little smile or something to. He's just like, this is why I love this one. Yeah, there's so many moments of love on his face in this movie where it's just pure devotion. And he never says it. He doesn't have to.

Right. I would say that I know that he is a great actor. And I truly believe that, but I think this is the same thing that's potentially happening. There is a little extra umph, the same way that when you had Garfield dating Emma Stone. Because you are actually there. You see real chemistry. You can tell he's not having to pull it. Right.

He just loves the day. He just looks at her because he loves her. Right. Then he gets to go like, oof. You feel it. Yeah. He does a lot of things in this movie that were real emotion from love to grief to a lot of different things that he's just on a never.

That rage. To rage. There's so much he does in this movie. He's so Peter Parker in this movie. You know what's a bummer. What's a bummer is I was talking about it with Merle when we were on Big Thing. And we were talking about just in general Oscar movies. and Academy Awards and how it's very rare

the fantasy movies and comic movies. But he deserves it for this, dude. I agree. I think... This was as good as the impossible or whatever that. What incredible disaster movie was. Yeah, the impossible. He will not be nominated for this movie.

No. But he should be. Should he win it? No. He shouldn't beat Will Smith for this. I think Will Smith was doing a lot more. Or Spider-Man's Andrew Garfield. I think they should both get nominated.

I also think that the foe should get nominated. To be honest with you. We'll get there. We'll get there. Let's hold. That was going to be a highlight. I was like, Defoe

Defoe changed my perception of Osborne, his Osborne dramatically. But so then that leads to the highway scene because he knows at that point, okay, I got to take care of my friends here. I don't give a shit if I get in or not.

The fact that Edith is down, that was that was super. Yeah, right, right, they did. Yeah, we haven't,

we've touched on it, but I want to say very clearly, this movie read every single flaw we had with the MCU Spider-Man and went, hey, how do we do that in story and evolve? Example.

It made Spider-Man not reliance on the spider suit. It made him reliance on spider-powers. It made him reliance on Spider-Sense in a new way. Oh, I love the spiders-sets a different way. It involved science in a way that was actually integral to the character, not Stark science, science, science, it removed him from the Avengers because he had to do things in his own way. And it made Peter Parker responsible for his own responsibilities is kind of redundant, but

he was responsible at all times instead of being like, oh, someone's going to catch me. Right. So it was the Spider-Man movie we all wanted. This wasn't Tony Stark Jr. At any point. And they literally made that joke. There was an Iron Man Jr.

cover. So I felt like the screenwriters literally read the message board. So the last three years, we're like, let's write the movie that faces this. But in a different way than the Rise of Skywalker did. Agreed. Yeah. Oh, a thousand percent.

And it did it where it felt less of like, we hear you. It felt more of like, oh, really? Yeah. We can do both. At this point, let it fly. Oh, really? Really? You had a problem with IMA, Jr.?

Yeah, we're going to call you out on it. And it did that with, I mean, we'll talk about it in the third act, but it did it in such a way that it improved all seven Spider-Man films in a way that felt like, oh, we're going to make all of them your favorite Spider-Man. Yeah. And it really made the ultimate series. Well, that's why when John Watts said that it was the end game, when you see the movie, you go, ah.

Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Not for the three, but for all of them. And if you can like, end games great, and Infinity Wars great, and the first Avengers are great, because it makes B and C list characters A list. Yeah.

I didn't know you can make an A list character like Spider-Man, a plus list. Yeah. And that's why I think this might take Spider-Verse for me personally, because it's a character I already love. It's a character that I've enjoyed even the flaws and pros of other films, and it elevates a character that is already the greatest comic book character to me to another level. I can't wait until we finally get to the reveals because I really need to ask you some questions.

So in order to do that. We're going on the bridge. In order to do that, let's get back to the bridge. So get back to the bridge. And when they're on the bridge, you know, and he's, and this. And so Winston had pointed out. So that was the woman from Civil War, right? It was.

Remember, that was the son that got killed. She was at MIT. Did not catch that. I caught it right away. I was like, oh, she's back. And it clicked for me because I remember Tony being an MIT grad. He was giving back to all the MIT students. And she's the one that was like, my son got killed because of you because he was in

So of course she would have a problem with Spider-Man. Because of that. until she literally saw instead of, instead of Tony and the Avengers being like, you don't care about it, you're saving the day, but you're not caring about the 20, 30,000 people that died. I'll tell you what. What a way to element that moment that I love in the movies where it didn't,

and if you didn't pick up on it. And I didn't. Great. And I already loved it. It didn't take anything away. But now I love it more. It's why to me, it wasn't just, oh, you saved my life. Yeah.

It was, you are different. You are actively different than all these other superheroes from even the Socovia Corps. and you're a good kid. And it's about being a hero. It's about your friends. You don't want anything. And before that even happens, you know, then we hear the,

and you know from the trailer, he's like, oh, here it comes. So, and the fight was incredible. A lot of fun to watch me because it was classic Doc Doc versus Spider-Man in a very different way. Yeah. And you see, and you think your new fancy suit's going to save you, whatever, and he's going through this whole thing

and he's chasing after him. And the scene where he goes off the bridge and he comes back and she has that moment. It was a completely, it was a Marvel moment, where she's just like, and you, and she yells at him, and it's like, funny, but, you know, still is like, okay, so this part we're not going to try to take too serious. It's just kind of goofy. And then he puts, and then he takes him down, and this is the part I really loved, the separation between the Ramey movies and this was that you're playing with a different, Peter Parker,

with different technology here, buddy. So you got your buttwuffs. Yeah, so when he tries to go in and, and then Peter realizes, like, oh, I can, I can, I can, I can take over this guy's thing like that. And he takes over it. And the guy's like, what the hell's going on? Ramey's movie's over. And that felt like a comic book to me

and that when you go to other worlds in comic books, it's always like more advanced technology. And in this they always talk about like, oh, this world has magic. This movie is this technology. And I was like, oh, our world to 2000 would feel like it's got crazy technology and magic. And it was really weird in a reality moment,

in a matrix moment of like, to the 20-year-old self of the Sam Ramey universe, this would feel like exponentially better technology. I won't lie. I definitely had an Edith moment because obviously this is still Stark Tech doing this. So there was definitely a moment where I heard Tony almost like as like a Spidey Ghost being like, he was like, even in death I'm the hero.

I just saved you once again. So like it was great. It was great and it worked out really well. And then Spider-Man using science. I really enjoyed. And he brings him up on the bridge and then it's like, wait, oh, here he comes. Yeah. Again, quicker than I ever would have dreamed.

But the great line that they call back. to was when and it really resonated to me was when Doc Ock is like Norman and I'm like yeah of course he knows who he is he remembers all that stuff and and and and then when the end respected him at the same at the same time of course of course of course and all that so and watching it and then it disappeared into the into the well Doc Ock disappears into the prison yeah and then we find out more Dr. Strange lets him know and then you have that reveal of what's going on this is with the scene that you and I were like Oh, so everyone who knows that you're Peter Parker can come through.

We cut it off, we cut off the gate, but there's a bunch of people here who know Peter Parker in general. Yep. So, Spider-Man. So here's the only thing that maybe I miss something. When did Lizard and when did Sandman know that? And when did Electro know that? Because Norman and Doc Ock, because obviously he reveals it to Doc Ock and right before he decides to say that. Lizard knows it.

Lizard knows it from, remember when he sees the stupid camera and he says, that's right. It says property of Peter Parker. And then he stalks him. That's correct.

But when did Electro? Electro knows through Max. I mean, that's through Max through Harry. Because Harry tells him about, because of Gwen, because of Gwen and everything. Okay.

So when did Sam in now? That's the one that I know. Sam in because of my uncle. My uncle Peter. You killed my uncle. Oh, you're right. Look at you. Look at you.

I just watched these movies on rewatch. Bro. Now available on this very channel. Wow. I am really. Yeah, no, that was... And, like, with the speed, the expedience did too. Boom, boom, boom.

I piece together, too. Yeah. It took me, like, longer to put two together than you'd have three and ready with it. I was like, Samman, Sandman, Sandman, beautifully done. That was it. Wow.

Yeah. So let me finish the time. I guess we should get out of it. I mean back, I think. I already, well, I also did... Spoiler of you episode too. I already did my 45 minutes. Sit down.

That's it. You guys. But, yeah, so then the prison scene happens with all this happened. And then we said, okay, so everybody who's coming through now, great reveal of it, because now we know, what the story is. Yeah. That's it.

So they're going to send these people back. And then you start thinking, well, wait a minute, what does that mean then? Does that mean when they bring? Because you know at that point that Toby and Andrew coming.

Plus the fact, you just knew at this point how they were going to bring them in, not if anymore. And now at no point in the movie, because there were some people that were goofing, they're not going to show up. At no point in the movie that I think

they were not going to show up, right? After we explained what the spell became, you knew it. But what I was curious about was as far as timelines go, Would it be a cameo? Would it be? No, no, no. What version of them was coming in because if they, if, if Doc Doc clearly is coming in right

as that machine, because he says it, he's like, I had him and I was ready and I had the machine and then I'm here. And the same thing with Electra, right before the moments that they died, that's when they got there. So then I'm like, well, wait a minute. Does that mean that we're getting a 2012 version of Andrew? Are we getting it? But then it realized that it's very spider versy in how it was because.

that's explained later on, which we'll get to. Well, I think the other thing about it, too, you can, you can look at it in that regard is that if we're in, what, 2021 for this film? Yeah. That was Toby in 2021. That was Andrew in 2020. Well, no, no, not 2021. It's 2025 or something.

Because, remember. 2023. Flip. 2023. I'm kicking your ass today. You really are. I don't know what's going on. It's a showdown mode right here.

It's a Marvel Geek variant. Apparently, what the hell? You must have really love this film. I did. But I guess that was the whole thing for all of them since that's where they did because the sandman, that wasn't Sandman like, because remember he didn't die. He just went on. He just went off to, if I don't forget, then he just right off in the sunset. That was the only thing that out of all those questions that we just had that he said they came here before their moment of death.

He's the only one that didn't come there in a moment of death. They didn't really acknowledge that. But I think that that's the whole thing, though. It's because in 2023 in his universe, he's with his daughter. Remember, the only thing he says is I need to get back to my daughter right now. That's it. Which is also weird, though, because she'd be an adult. So it just depends on where, at what point, he, he, we don't know when he got pulled.

But based off of where the Spider-Men got pulled. No, but that's what I'm saying. No, but I think that's a different timeline. They're not connected. It's not a time-pulled. Because, remember, Doc, because Alfred Merlina got pulled. Because he was dead. I get that.

But he got pulled in 2004, whereas Goblin got pulled in 2002, right? As Toby looks like he got pulled, you know, 20 years later because he looked at But that's my point. I think that that's the Sandman that got pulled in 2023. That's what I'm saying is that based off the fact that since Toby. It wasn't explained. No, no, I agree with you. I think,

but I think if they had explained it also with Toby and Andrew, that would have been enough to explain it for Sam it. But they never explained it. We just know it based off of their songs. They don't know if they know it, though. They talk about like the things that happened to them after. And it looked like a long span of time. Right.

Right. That's what I mean by we know it because they give us examples of what they've been dealing with since they've gone. Because he said, I want to get back to my daughter, but he also wanted to get back to his daughter in the ring. And also, he might not age because he's sand now. That was my thought. Who knows? Either, either way. We haven't gotten there yet. We've got to talk about one of the most visually stunning scenes in perhaps the entire MCU. Spider-Man fighting Doctor Strange was the most. It was amazing. It was amazing. And that comes after all the other reveals here.

So when we get to, we get to this whole thing, the setup of it. And he's like, okay, so basically what you need to do now is you need to use this thing. you need to find, I'll find some people, you find some people, put them in the prison, then we're going to send them back. Yeah. So, and this was, and oh, and we forgot about the Scooby-Doo moment, right, when they're all talking to him. So we do this, ish. Yeah.

So that to me, even though it only gets a great bit. Yeah. It played better with the curse than it did on TV. And also played better in context with Zendaya getting to actually do her work. It did. Because it worked off Zendaya. It did not work off the void of the trailer. Yeah.

That joke does not land if one person's like. So he goes and they do it. And they get it. And then. And that's why, again, the hearty, I like that he does it on his own. They're watching from the side. They're there together. They're not trying to take him on the adventure with them, but they can do it from the side.

Love that. So he goes in there and then that's when we start to figure out, we're going to get Samman and Alexer here. Yeah, that's Sam Man scene. So the Sandman scene I love because it does take the essence of what Thomas Hayden Church brought to that character and why we always said, we wish he would have just been the guy in general because he had the most depth in Spider-Man 3 at all. And he's trying to help Peter.

Yeah. He's trying to help him out. And then the fact that he got there in general, you know, that he was there to help out. Electro, in the beginning, I had an issue with because to me, this is what it felt like, and I don't know if it's true or not, just how it felt. It comes in, he's blue, and then he turns into the Electro, more of the traditional look that he's got, but he's not Max anymore.

He's Jamie Fox. Yeah. And he's cracking jokes like Jamie Fox. He's just, and I get it. You transfer it over here now, and now you're cooler. You feel this power. You like it. But my problem was this.

and I said this to you in the screen. It felt to me like Jamie Fox was like, I'll come back, but I don't want to play the character like that anymore. I want to play him a little bit more cool. I almost guarantee that. I went back and I just wanted to see, knowing that it was death moments, I just went back and looked very quickly

at the final fight scenes for people. So I don't know if you remember, by the time that he actually meets the hairy in Amazing, he has become Jamie Fox. The transition happened. So early on, he's super nerdy. He's like, well, wow. Yeah, it did feel.

in that movie that I was like, this happened quickly. So I do remember there being like a very Jamie Fox conclusion. So by the, exactly. So by the time that final battle happened, he had become Jamie Fox. Which is fine as far as the look. It was, it was less about the look for me

and more about the attitude. But I'm saying the attitude is there. If you go back, remember he's getting, anyone cracking jokes at King of God. I promise you, he was getting tortured by the dude at Oscorp. He was more like this. And he was more like, he was more like sinister. And he was, he was Jamie Fox and just cracking jokes.

So for me, he was like a seven out of ten, Jamie Fox and amazing. This was a 10 out of 10 Jamie Fox. I wouldn't have minded a couple scenes of transition into like him getting more confident with power. Like just like a 7 to a 10 like a 3. I didn't mind him getting there. I just wish he would have got there. Sure. Sure, sure. But I think that he

Because I do agree with what you said about the end, but I do think that was not quite full Jamie. No. It would have been nice to see a little bit of a tick. But I love, I did love where he, he, because I was like, okay, if they do this the entire movie, then it's just going to be Jamie Fox. But I think that he gets out of that pretty quick. Yeah, I agree. Once his motivation comes to try to get that stark power thing

and try to, he goes back to more maniacal comic villain. His addiction to it, because he never really wants to go back. No, he cares about the power. He's convinced about it from the whole way through.

So he's got to be, you know, he's very reluctant when, when that whole box is. Also, I really appreciate the fact that we got, you know,

Doc Ock, who's got the crazy because of the, the leg still. We've got Green Goblin who we immediately wonder what his motivations are. Is that a thing?

Electro doesn't know that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. And I'll tell you why, because at the, end of it, the end of this film, remember, Andrew comes down and pulls his mask and goes, you're white? I thought, I thought Spider-Man would be black, so he didn't know. Does, doesn't know he didn't know his, knew his face, could still say, he knew his name is

Peter Parker. Okay. Which is the way the spell works. Yeah. All matters is a spell. Yeah, it doesn't necessarily know to know he looks like. Peter Parker might be a bad. I just thought I caught you, bro, because I was like, no, because that was a massive moment.

Because if Harry says, Peter Parker has been revoked, the manager challenge has been thrown out. I'm sorry about this route. Points go to Christian Harloff. But I also think that that joke was very funny. That was a Jamie Fox joke that was probably. No, no, no, no. That was a Miles Morales joke.

That was a Miles Morales. That was not at all. That was a doubt. But not that part of it. But just that first line of I always thought you were, because then he said, you're making reference to Miles. But that's what I'm saying, though.

That electro that we saw is the same electro that Miles fights, the full blue. So I'm saying, so knowing that, just being from the. that universe. That was more of a comic nod to the fact that the Spider-Man I fight his miles. But either way, Electro gets put into that and they had this whole

thing where Doc Ock is trying to figure out, oh, and there is that line that we didn't really mention before that I still think it doesn't work very well. It's my least favorite jokes. It's like, your name is Dr. Octo Octavius, whatever, too. It's pretty lame. Well, they lean into like, I love the one that lands better that is the same joke

is you got to be careful where you're falling. Hilaria. That was like one of the best lines in the Spider-Man movies, period. But I do feel like they tried to give each one that line except Sandman. Like each villain got a self-deprecating. We're a comic villain line. Autos just didn't land as well as the brilliance of the falling line. Yes.

Who had the falling line again? Jamie Fox. Oh, yes. You got to be careful where to fall, I guess. I fell in a bunch of electric eels and I fell in a super collider or whatever. Because you got sideways Thomas Aden Church dryness. Juxtapose Jamie Fox like horrible bosses. Got to be careful.

Speaking of him, though, Sandman, What I thought they played very well is that he doesn't, and he says it as much. I don't trust anybody because every time he tries to do something right. Yeah, and he got betrayed again. So he thought where Peter was, he gets put in that prison.

And it's just like, and then Jamie Fox even says to him. You chose the wrong time. As I was saying, my little mini rant was each villain lands mid arc from where they left off, which is so genius because it's a movie about second chances. And the movie's about giving second chances to an almost sinister six. We've got four different villains getting.

second chances and then self-actualizing or not. You've got a villain that was wanting power, getting power. You've got a villain that was wanting control, getting control. You've got all these things landing while you're juggling all this stuff. So the character arcs that people don't feel like landed, I think they missed the point. Yeah, well, if you're going to make a bet on which villain was the one that really was going to deliver, a lot of people would say maybe Doc Ock. But.

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See draftkings.com slash sportsbook for full terms and conditions. All right. Yo, Coy, you want to hear how evil Christian is? You got it. You send me a birthday text me. a heavy birthday man and I was like oh thanks bro I appreciate that I'm like I'm in Vegas right now I was like do you want me to place a bet for you he's like oh that's nice to you uh yeah I might have you go pace a hundred dollar bet that the giants beat the

cowboys just that you have to say it out loud and I was like I was full of full awareness that they're probably going to lose just for that just to make did you do it or did you didn't you didn't tell me to text the bag I wanted to oh that's brutal you would have told me to pull the trigger I would have done it you know why because they're going to win now because I didn't because you didn't do it yes it's like the tony soprano scene when he's and he's in going through that mush. So your soul gets to win. You get to win here because of your team.

It's true. And you get to know that. Whatever. Speaking of winning as a villain. Yeah. Good transition. Look, Defoe crushes it, you know. Oh, my God.

Willem Defoe is one of my favorite actors, for sure. He's a great actor. He always brings it. And as we talked about on the rewatch series, and by the way, if you didn't know about our rewatch series, all the Spider-Man movies is a playlist. After you're done with this one, you can go back and look at our entire rewatch series. Willem Defoe is because of the Ramey tone, right?

He's always like, ha ha, and every, in every scene, that's gone. Yeah, he's still, he's still big, he's still big. But he's scary. And it's like, and it's like this craziness that's going on in his head because it's also that part of Norman Osborne that you felt when he, to Tobin McGuire Spider-Man, that he was like comforting and treating him like his son. That was there. Which is, which is why when we first see him over at feast with Aunt May and he's like, oh, please help. I'm like, still in the dance. I literally was like, nah, bro, I remember where we left you, you did that.

that right before you threw the glider into Peter, like, or you attempted to. This is, this is a sham. I didn't believe it. And then, and this was what was so brilliant by Defoe and Watts to do this. They then spent the next 30 minutes to an hour, suckering you in and sucker, you're like, okay, maybe we're good. Maybe we're good. I bought it, man. He really is okay. We're good. Oh my God, here it is. And we'll get to the reveal of how they, they figured that out because that was genius. And it was terrifying. But, The idea of him, he's like, I'm somewhat of a brilliant scientist myself. Like, oh, callback line.

Such a great callback. The callback. Didn't you want, though, back to formula? Oh, that was the one line I was missing. I was waiting. To keep name dropping. When I was interviewing Wilm de Fo at the premiere, I did. Oh my God, this bitch.

I mentioned, I mentioned that line. It was before I saw the movie. I know I mentioned the something of science of myself line. I was like, you're actually one of the first memes, blah, blah, something of science to myself. And he smirks at me with the green goblin smirk. And not. only now do I know why he smirked, but also like to have the green goblin smirking,

because it wasn't Willem to faux smirking. It was the green goblin smirking. So there's footage of me going like, like I actually got the chill and I now know he, he was setting up for my interview. That moment happens on camera. And it's for all of us. It was such a nice moment. And he does it. And he comes in, it's just working together with him. And, and I love the idea that the Doc Ock that we know. And we're not really talking enough about Alfred Molina, who's such a brilliant actor, but how he played it very similar to what he took off in 2002 and why people love that performance so much in everybody, no matter if you think it's overrated or if you think it's the best superhero movie all time. There's no one that doesn't say that Alfred Molina isn't

great, and he carries that over here. I think what Watts did and what Faggie did and all these actors, I think they, when they offered them to do this and they were like, this is what we want to do, they, like you said, the same way they read the comments about how do we change the rest of this Holland series to make it better, I think they said, okay, what were And it's like, Alfred, I don't think you need to change anything, bro. I think you're fine. I think, you know, Defoe, I think the craziness is good, but it was too can't. How do we keep the craziness and tone down the camp?

And they went through each character. Well, you can tell the direction. You directs him because it. I'm so excited for it in Fantastic Four now. Yeah. Well, because of John Watts. Yeah, dude. John Watts is going.

Yeah. Well, Willam Defoe is a brilliant actor. And you can tell he took the direction that Sam Ramee gave him. Yeah. And that was the tone of the moment. movie. It fit the movie. This fits this movie. This fits this movie, right? From what

we're doing here. Because if he would have done that completely over the top, because even when he's talking to him, and by the way, they pulled off what the Last Jedi couldn't, and that's why you smash the helmet. He smashes the helmet, and the reason why he smashes the helmet is the same motivation. They didn't want to keep Adam

driver's face covered for the whole movie. Yeah. And they didn't want to keep Willem to foe in that thing the whole entire time. And it doesn't fit the tone of this. You know, Doesn't fit the tone of it. Plus the fact they can put the hoodie up make them look more like the old school character. I was glad you recognized it. Come on, man.

I was just making sure, buddy. All of them almost died knew Peter Parker. I mean, come on it right now. You got a point. But the fact that you were able to get closer to the original costume, I thought was great.

And also, it's suckered us in. Remember, it's suckered a sin because as an audience member, we're like, you're crazy. Yeah. You are, you are putting on us. You're putting.

That was the hint. That was the hint. he stole the donuts. That was enough to let you know he's still psychodormant. It was still there, right? It was still there when he was able to do it. And so, and there was that nice moment to where,

and it also sets up more about M. And May, which is like, we got to help people here. Yeah. Can't do it. Oh my God, Aunt May and this.

The way they make Feast a character, the way they make Aunt May, the reason, I mean, we get to the moment, the sad moment, but the way they make Aunt May, his beating heart of compassion,

like we hadn't had with a lack of Uncle Ben. Yeah. What they do here, again, going back to my, systematically fixing things is they give us an Uncle Ben for this universe that we've already met so we care so much more.

And it makes us retroactively love all the beats with Marissa Tomey and other movies. Because she's always been compassionate, always been caring. This is the first time we get full scenes of it. So much of it. And it basically is the reason why he then says because he is still this,

that anger isn't there. I just watched West Side Story both of them twice. Yeah. I don't know if you've seen it recently or the movie. The whole point of the movie, is that Maria and Tony are so in love and they're just, everyone else is consumed by hatred. They're consumed by this anger.

And they aren't, right? They just want to get the hell out of it and they just want to be in love. By the time that, spoiler, for people who haven't seen it, by the time Tony dies, Maria now has that anger. And she picks up the gun and she's like, I can hate now so I can kill too.

I can do that also. Yeah. And that's ultimately what happens to Peter in this. He's consumed by love throughout the whole entire movie and he's consumed by it. So when he's trying to help, it's all legit. And then that moment, such a great moment when they finally, as they're doing the experiments in the apartment,

the Happy's apartment, and they're going to work on everybody. And Alfa Malina is the first one. And they cure him, and he can say, thank you, my boy. And he looks at him. And then he's also, then he looks at Norman. He's like, Norman. We're back.

And then this is the whole point of Electro. Well, Electro, he doesn't want to do it. He's doing it. He's going along with everybody else. He keeps staring out. He's like, I don't, I don't know if I want to do this. And it's Sandman who goes, just, chill out.

Yeah. Just, I think it's, dude, the Samman or is it, or I'm pretty sure with Saman. Saman, because he's the voice of like, Saman's like, chill out. Just do it. Just relax. And we're going to figure this all out. And look, it worked on him. And then it plays into that moment.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I'm leaving everything out, but it's okay. We skipped the Doctor Strange moment. I did that in my, in my, in my spoiler review too. Yeah. So that, there's a five minute sequence in this, which this is a spoiler talk. Very important.

Very important. That is probably the best visual representation of Dr. I have ever seen. I love Scott Derrickson. He's a fantastic director, but I feel like the Doctor Strange movie had to do so much. We didn't get sequences like this.

This sequence ends with science. It ends with Peter Parker using science against magic and beating Dr. Strange. But like he uses the Peter Parker brain to take out the most powerful sorcerer, maybe Wong is right now, but you know what I'm saying?

And he does it in a way that's, only inside, I think about it's be real. But he does it in a way that is playful. He does it in a way that entire sequence is both, of them fighting, which always happens in comic books.

Every comic book is like, instead of teaming up, they're going to fight first, then team up. We got that entire sequence. And these are two creations from Steve Ditko and Stanley from the same year. These characters have been tied together in their own interesting way. And now in the true ultimate Spider-Man movie, for my money, they get to interact in a way that is so authentic both their characters and elevates both of them in the MCU. Dude, the best moment was watching that fight with Christian where he knocks him out of his body. And he was like, Christian

at first thought it was really campy That like, no, dude, that's the spider sense And it's dope I thought you were like, what the hell? No, no, no, no, no, okay, okay. But it's the fact that the spider sent didn't it starts trying to do two hands? No, I said that's hilarious.

Because he's like, the idea, you did point it, you like, look at the spider sense, you could see it. You can see the lines. No, no, no, I love them. Oh, okay. My bad, I thought you said that part was campy. No, no, no.

The second time I watched it, so it's like a five second scene, but the first second, he's like using one hand And then the last time he tries to do both and Spider-Man does this like swoopy move that is literally from the comic books. Like, and it was the one time I was like, oh, that's why I has to be CGI guys sometimes.

Yeah, he does this kind of so dope. It was such a great Spider-Man moment also because he then says he goes, that was really cool, just don't do it ever again. Yes, yeah, yeah. And him swimming gleefully back into his body. Like, it's so Spider-Man. So that whole Dr. Schraming sequence,

like, to me, that could have been the movie. And I'm glad it wasn't because this was amazing. But I did see like, oh, this is what this could have been. And it could have been advertising. Yes. And that was why when you see in the trailer, like the inception part, you know,

all the buildings, and he goes, where are we? He's like, we're in the mirror dimension. And like, great, great explanation of it.

Makes so much more sense to. And then him trying to play it out going, oh, this is just a blah, blah, blah. That's it. I don't remember the works. I'm not a science.

Yeah. So then he, you know, and then, yes, we left that out. So we get back to now, back to the apartment.

When they're doing more science. When it all goes down, right? And then there's, it's, so it's Doc, Norman, so we think, and Peter, and the spider sense goes off. And it's the first J. Jonah Jameson comes in.

So we think, wait a minute. Wasn't it? I thought it was from Jonah, but it was, we're watching the take of Electro. Like his thing's about to go off. Yeah, they're all there.

They're all there. They're all there. They're in a side room. Got it, got, got, got, got, got, got. But we also. Because the great comedy scene with Jaby and him.

And he's like, I'm a, I'm like, I'm, cause he's like, one question. Are those your Legos? Oh, yeah. That all seen is,

That was worth the getting to the Jamie stealth quickly because I needed that moment. It was. And then the lizard is in the van. Doesn't want to do anything. The lizard's another one. He's not. He wants nothing to do it. He wants to make everybody a lizard.

He made that very clear. Multiple times. That was funny. He's like, I could make you so much better. Like, why, make me a lizard? Yes. It was good. It was so much fun.

It was really good. And they had that like the whatever's going on in the van at one point. I think people walked by. They go, what's going on in there? Yeah. With the lizard. And then J. Jonah Jameson. The Forest Hills Movers

written over with Feast was so like my heart, my spidey heart. Well, Jay Jonah Jameson comes in and now he's, and this is the whole thing. He's been trying for the whole time, try to really expose Peter, expose the whole thing. While you're bringing up Jay Jonah Jameson, the thing we didn't talk about with him is the fact

that he is some smuck in his basement. Oh, the green screen. And then he's got the full studio once he actually drops that. But that was amazing. That reveal when they pulled out and I was like, oh, he's a YouTuber. Like I was like, oh, I've done this. This is rough, JJ. It's a very, very different from what we've seen in the past.

But he goes there and he's got his crew with them and they're just ready to set him out because they know something's going to happen. They know they're going to be able to expose this kid finally. So we get to it. And then the spider sense goes off. And as an audience member, you're like, what's he sensing? Yeah. What is it? And then he's looking at it because what they did so brilliantly is he's, because even Willem Defoe was looking around.

Like, what are you hearing? Yeah. And then you're like, what's he here? What's happening? And then he's like, something is wrong. something is off and he's just moving around looking and then and he hits the one to the phone and then you finally hear that laugh that beautiful you just know it and that speech that he gives and you understand while fighting him honestly I know you love the doctor strange uh the doctor strange

yeah and it was brilliant yeah to me this was the even before the last fight this was the fight of the movie for me just because physicality but not only the physicality it's not only the physicality it was bone-chilling. Yeah. Because then there's points where, like, Defoe is slamming him through floors. When he,

when Spite is the jump off the wall, ricochet, and he's punching him in the face and he's gobbling laughing in your face. But even before that, even, before it pops off, it's that speech that he gives right before they start fighting,

where he's just like, he knows what he's going to do. And then that's how he's able to convince both Jimi and Electro and Elicto. He rallies the troops. And he's just like, you know, what does he say?

Something along the lines of like, we're kings or whatever. God's. God's. Whatever it is. And then Jamie's like, nope, I'm out. And then even Saman's like, and you're like, oh, no.

And that's straight up ultimate Spider-Man, by the way. His outfit, the speech, every, and he also, he's the one that gathers to Sinister 6 in the ultimate universe. They just didn't. It's so, it was so great. So, and then the fight happens. And he's kicking his ass the whole way through. He's trying to figure a way out of it.

And everybody's kind of taken off. And now Jay Jonah Jameson gets his footage. He's able to do it. The lizard goes out. And you're like, oh, this is where it all goes down, right? You know, you know it from the trailers alone, stuff you're going to see. And then we get to the moment, right? Yeah.

So the fight's happening. He's just, he's getting choked out. It's over. And May comes in. And so we just watched Matrix recently. And again, people who have not seen the third Matrix is a spoiler for you. So there's a scene at the end of the Matrix, the third movie. And as Neo and Trinity are together, there's like a quick crash and a quick shot.

If you pause it, you will see Trinity get impaled. But it's quick. Yeah. Same thing here. Yeah, I noticed her my second watch. I was looking for it. So when the glider comes in. I didn't see her get impaled.

I just saw her. She got hit. Get hit. And I was like, that's a nut. She got tossed by the glenity got impaled. But you still see that she got hit hard enough that you know it's going to be a problem. Which is why.

Because at first, I was like. I bought her acting the first. I bought it at first to it. I was like, but that doesn't make logical sense. That thing was going like, she must be dead because that thing was going like 60 miles per hour.

I knew it was over like there was going to be some kind of. I just didn't know when it was coming, but I knew there was going to be a blood reveal. Yeah. Like whether it was like a blood drop started to come from where she was talking or ultimately what happened to where he goes and he just sees it's over. But she's just trying to be that calm presence. She always has been for him.

Yeah. And it's just this is where the acting and everything kind of really comes from Tom Holland is what he does here. He just makes you feel it. There's two. There's another scene I'm going to talk about in a moment. But this particular scene, what he's able to do in the emotion. And then Favreau coming in and he look at,

And he's looking at Favro. Favre knows. He doesn't have the same. Yeah. He just knows, like, right then and there. And that it's tragic. And the way that top, like, we've seen death scenes a million times over if you watch enough movies. There's something that this kid does.

And the way he's like, come on, cut it out. Cut it out. Let's, let's do. Come on. It almost reminds me like, Simba. You know, it's just like, come on. We can, may, cut it out. And it's just, it's all he has.

There is no band we find out. They really, at least not. And at the, at the first. I'll admit, and it's skipping ahead, but in the first watch, I was really bothered by the tombstone not being Aunt May and Uncle Ben. I was really bothered by May Parker not having a Ben Parker tombstone next to it. Oh, I wasn't. Because there isn't. And my brain was like, ooh, that's, that's disrespectful. Then I was like, no, no, we had an entire scene about Uncle Ben not being a factor. The second, the second brain had to go like, quiet now and my movie brain. But it was great because the second watch, I was able to go, oh, this is this universe. Enjoy this take. Because the second she says with great power comes great responsibility, that's, told me there is no Ben in this. And that beautifully worked for me. Because, and then it's referenced by both Toby and Andrew who's like, oh, for us, it was Ben that said that. And I love that later we get Andrews saying Gwen, because that does change the Marchion dynamic, which is we'll get there. But like, yeah, but I, the death of Aunt May is, I think the reason this might beat Spider-Verse

for me is because I love Spider-Verse in that it does so many things to get the character right. Yeah. But I've never cried during a Spider-Man movie. And I've never felt what I felt in the comics for the loss of Spider-Man until this one. Yeah. It's. It's. I got close with Gwen. It has more time than, to be fair to Spider-Verse. It has more time to do that to you. And it also has a lot more movies to do that to you because of all the, it's the seventh or eighth movie, not first. That's what it has.

That's what it has over Spider-Verse. Spider-Verst is standing as alone as just a single movie. Of course, I'm agreeing with you that I think out of the both of these movies, this is the one I'll probably go. I love Spider-Verse, but I'll go back and want to watch this more. But that's just because it has more stuff. Is it out at the end? It is. It is today.

It is today. But I'm like thinking about it. I'm like, if I could fit a single seat. Like I know it's sold out. I'm like, it's good, man. I want more. And then that's the,

I plan on going on Saturday and Sunday and just finding time to do that. But, but yeah, I, Christian heard me. Like I was, I was trying to stifle it, but I couldn't.

Like I was, I was a mess. I heard you. I don't know where, if, I probably see, I can hold that stuff in because I'm cold. I'm dead inside.

But, New York. We get it. But I, but I don't know if you could tell where it got me, when it got me. But there was one particular moment that I'll get into in a little bit. But there was, this was the thing.

He's out. He's done. This sets us up. Yeah. This is the big setup because now he's gone. And now that Peter Parker that we've known that tries to help everybody and he's trying to figure it out, who wanted to save, who took the whole box away just to make sure. Because he did not want these characters to die. He didn't want to send them back knowing he could have fixed them.

That's gone. He's now just pure anger and rage because he feels that he's once again responsible. Dude, this moment for me, I think why it hit me so hard. My best friend out of college, his mom had been fighting cancer. She beat it six times. This is her seventh bout with cancer. And a doctor messed up and gave her the wrong dosage. So then that was she had a massive heart attack and then that was it.

And it was the same thing for him where his mom was the thing that kept him in check and it kept him together. And after that, I mean, he's doing great now. but at the time he was a ball of rage for years because that that was the one thing. So it really affected me because I remember we had just graduated. We had moved in and I remember the phone call he got. And I remember like he was in shock. He punched like through a door. And like I didn't know what to say to him.

And it drained me because she was like a surrogate mother to me too. So that's why this took me out so hard. And it was done so because the same language Tom was. using of like, like, let me complain, like, come on. Yeah.

Same thing. He was like, no, what are you talking about? Right. She just, she was just going in for a routine.

She just denial. And that's one of the reasons why a particular scene hit me a different way, was that when this happened, he goes off. And now we get to our moment.

Because now you have MJ and Ned just want to find their friend. Yeah. They know how hurt he is. They know they can feel it. They just want to be there for their friend. So at this point, we've kind of,

I think, figured out that Ned could do the magic at one point. He was just a sparky hand thing when they were. Oh, right, right. He did a couple of those things. So, and now, now we get to the part. We've already addressed it.

He's opening up portals, whatever, but he's like, I just wish we could find Peter Parker. And, like, oh, do that again. Yeah. I just wish we could find Peter Parker. And then you see that figure in the back. Oh, Winston, I called it. Winston called it.

And a part of me was like, nice call him. Part of us was like, why don't you just let me enjoy that? My man, it's because, it's because Andrew, just his height and the shape of his head. Yeah. Oh, so specific. All three of them

differently. Yeah. But it got me excited when you said it because he's like, and I'm like, oh, you're right. So I,

I had a, Garfield, dog. I don't know, like you did my, my, my, my, I saw it my manager, my manager's phone went off, right as the portal open.

And he lit up and I was like, if you take your fucking phone out right, I'm gonna fucking kill you. I literally like, that's four. That was real. Those were, those were reserved. I did.

The impact. The impact is important. But I literally had the same thing. I was like, this is the most important moment of my life. If you ruin this for me right now, and I, like, I don't know that I've ever felt

that big of a swelling of emotion in a movie since, like, I mean, the Thor landing in, end game, cap wielding the shield and endgame, like those moments, but this was tied to my childhood.

Like, this was such a, my entire life led to this. So different from how, because this was why people didn't know when there was rumored to how these two guys were going to be in the movie.

Yeah. How long? Is it going to be like a cameo thing? It's going to be, and thank God I was right. There was no freaking spider ham in this movie. But anyway. I love Spider-Hamp, but it's not for this movie.

That's Peter Porker, totally different, man. But the idea was how they were going to make this work? At the point when they got here, they had already set up things so great that it made sense of how these guys were going to work into this movie if they did it the right way, and they do it the right way. So he comes in, and this scene,

you talk about the humor in this movie combined with the emotional moments, and Garfield comes in, reveals his face. It's a great, It's like, it's very, it's remind me of wrestling also, too. It's just like, we haven't seen one of the old school kind of wrestlers in a long time. Oh my God. Stone cold.

Yeah. He's both. He's back. Oh my God. It's Garfield. It's Garfield. You know, and he does. And he comes back in and he does his moment.

But then he's like, you're not Peter Parker. He's like, I kind of am. And he's just like, you know, prove it. And he does this. He's like, that doesn't prove anything. No, no. But first he goes, this doesn't prove anything. Yeah.

Yeah. This is plenty. crawl. And it's that classic Garfield Spider-Man that we got that he, to this day, out of the three of them, he still has the best wit. I stand by it. This is probably where you want to get your questions in about my thoughts on certain trio. Well, we haven't, we haven't revealed him yet. Okay. In the next five minutes. I'm going to ask. I will say with this Garfield reveal, as soon as he showed up, I was like, this is a Spider-Man. And I just stayed that way for the next hour and a half. Like, as soon as he showed up, I was like, I now know the truth. But they, you know what they did though, quite even though, even though that's obviously. A funny bit, but the thing is, they made it so that everybody can have a spider-man. Oh, 100%. Anyone can wear the mask.

Anyone can watch that. Yeah, and they made it. Here's your three. These are the three. Yeah. They all count now. And they're all different. And that's what I like about them.

Yeah. It's not that they got to see them. But like, you know, it's different either now because like I said before, now, when you go back and you watch the Ramey ones, you watch, they all tie into this movie. Now it's brilliant. It's a brilliant move. It all ties in. Dude, they literally all got.

like, you know, stars in Mario, bro. Like all of a sudden, if even if, even if you were like, I'm about to die right here, all, like all of the bad movies, got a massive level up. They are, they are, they are, this is not. Like the Dark World, where they made it like, oh, look can we fix. Now, now it occurs. Yeah, this is not a three movie set. This is an eight movie set.

Yeah. Completely is because of all the references that come in. Will you be lost if you haven't seen the movies? No. But if you have seen all of them after doing that rewatch that we did. So much more relevant. I agree. I agree.

I would say you at least need to watch the two Tom Hollins. I stood all of them. My, but I, but you, you mean, you mean, you did not get lost.

You need to at least see the two Tom Hollins. Of course. But it's better if you watch everything. My premiere date, the girl I brought, hadn't seen anything since Spider-Man 2. She didn't see Spider-Man 3. She hadn't seen Amazing 1.

Hadn't seen Amazing 2. Hadn't seen Tom. Had that land for. Loved it. Yeah. Okay, there you go. So I'm the rare exception of I literally was like, As soon as the credits were like,

what was that for you? She said that, was that for the movie or something else? I'm going to just give Christian MVP of the day. Whoa. I'm just like, he's on alpha brain or something. I'm just like giving like I just kids.

Go ahead and take me out. Yeah, man. He just, that wasn't finish me, bro. That was it. Because Christian did it. Just just good. That was a beautiful organic web fluid reference.

I want to say in. I want to say in. Come on, Winston, you're on the clock. Oh, there it is, yeah. You're on the clock. Oh, man, all right. We'd like to trade our first round draft joke. You get 10% off of Draft King.

Hadn't seen most of the movies, but is a comic nerd and loves the comics and loves the world. So she was like she actually was able to love Tom Holland immediately. And now I want her to watch Homecoming and Far From Home to see her experience of it because she got to, she immediately understood Garfield's whole thing because he's got that like to me the reason Garfield's my favorite is when he puts on the Spider-Man suit it's still the same neurotic thing it's just defensive humor but when

he's Spider-Man he's self-deprecating and he's self-effacing and to me Spider-Man if you stay too similar in and out of the suit it's not the character and I feel like Tom it's really ironic to me everyone's like Andrew Garfield was too cool I'm like no he was a defense mechanism he was skateboarding to try to be

comfortable he was doing all these things that weren't cool it was dismissive and then Tom to me is cool. Like Tom is like, but this is the other difference though. This is why you can say that in every single, this is what they did so well for all these movies. Even if you feel that Peter Parker is too cool, right?

That's how he is in that universe. Right. It's all subjective. And it's like, you know, well, he's a little too angry and in the Ramian universe. That's how he behaved in that universe.

And like, and they set that up. It's all accurate. And it's not, people are like, oh, but that's just, that's easy to say you can say about any character.

No, no, no, any other movie. It's set up in this movie. The multiverse is real for this. Here's the other brilliance. And again, you don't have to watch this, but it helps explain this. If you have seen Loki, it also sets that up because all the Loki's there is a specific element of Loki that is true to all of them. But Alligator Loki is different than Selvi is different than our Loki. Oh, I had a question for both of you guys. Wait, both of you guys, I don't know and I feel like it's

no, but the thing that Ned has, well, not, not, not, not Nellie. Spider-Man? Yes, that he gives him to shoot back in. Is that an Eternals thing? No, that's definitely a, I see where you're getting that because of this type of like anography, but it's definitely like a doctor strange. Doctor's just did a spell. I figured.

It just looked like something that the eternal's worth. But, all right, so back to the moment. So we have, so Garfield is there and he's cleaning cobblower. The grandma. Oh, man. All this stuff is like, she says, can you get up this since you made a, can you go up there and clean up the cobwebs since you're up there. And he's like, oh.

And I love how that, his respect for his elder. is what makes him do it. He's not going to let some child tell him to crawl around. But a grandma says, can you clean this up for me? He's like, respect for it. And then it's like,

okay, well, that's not, we need to find him. So just keep trying it until you do it. The second they say that, you know what's coming next. And then Andrew making that face of like, we need the real Peter Parker and Andrew like,

and like to me that felt like what he heard for years. Andrew Garfield was told that. Asked Spider-Man for years. But what's interesting about this is the fact that like, knowing that is it because Ned and MJ said that's not, that's not Peter Parker, that that's why they start flinging at each other because they fight for half a second.

Yes, because when he comes in, he's like, that's not my, that's not our friend. And he's like, oh, that's not your, and they start shooting at each. It's like a Western defense mechanism. And what I really thought was great. And we get to the funniest line of the whole movie in a second. But when they're fighting and then Toby is not in a costume,

I'm like, oh, maybe he doesn't want to put on the costume. It plays to the future when he, what does he call him? He calls him a youth pastor. He calls him a youth pastor. That was after they left the high school. Yeah, that was later. Yeah, that was later.

Are you going to suit up for battle? You're going to walk around like a cool youth pastor? That was amazing. And so any of that. And so we get back to that thing where they have to figure it out. You've got to figure out what's going on. And then they all work together and figure out we're going to help your friend. He's like, well, where would you go?

For me, it was the Empire State Building. For me, it was the Chrysler Building. It was a better view. I bet you love that part. It was. Everything, when they were going, like that chemistry right away that they had, you're like, oh, this is going to be fun. Yeah. They set this up already.

This is going to be fun. Just wait until they get Tom involved. Let's go see your friend. So this is the moment to me that really got me, the one I started to choke up up because there is a moment. And I don't know. And you clearly from the story you just told you have felt this. I don't know if anybody has felt the loss of somebody or real grief. there is a feeling that you don't really want to have somebody feel you.

I hope that everybody is going to feel it one time in their life, maybe more. But there is, it's just an undescribable feeling. So when Tom Holland is on that roof and he is just overtaken by it, I right away went back to when my brother passed away. Like I felt it right away. It was that same feeling because that is what that guy brought out. Like I was like, that's real grief that he feels right now. I don't know where he went.

Yeah. The actor, I don't know where he went to feel that, but he's, I've been there. Yeah. And he's doing it. And then this just wonderfully sweet moment of the three of them, they don't say hugging. It's this hug. And I got to tell you, I'm never, I'm, Ned's not my favorite character. I think he's a good character.

He's just not my favorite. He's just a little annoying to me sometimes. What he's doing and the way he's just holding on to his friend. I focused in on him when I saw him because he just had this big bear hug. And then obviously the three of them together, it was such a great moment. And they didn't have to do anything yet with our two guys until they did. Yeah. And they go, well, there's people here to see it.

There's two people. And he's like, people, what are you talking about? That silhouette shot of two Spider-Men on the thing. And we kept getting those moments of like pure comic iconography. But this was this was so weighted in sorrow. And I think that one of the things I've been missing from the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies is, yes, we lost Iron Man, so they're sorrow there. Yes, we've lost this.

They're sorrow there. But like there's a depth of grief in this scene that feels so like Spider-Man is about loss. And he tell, yeah, they tell them that. So to see this scene with two Spider-Man in silhouette, which is Spider-Man can be a really dark characters. We've got that image. Then we've got grief-ridden, Tom. It is the most Spider-Man I've felt in a live.

action movie. It is because, and they all relate to it, basically saying, we've been there, dude. Like, for me, it was Uncle Ben. And I remember thinking, and he said, well, it was Uncle Ben for him, too, but he's like, Gwen Stacy. Yeah, I think, and that, because I think what they did for the perfect setup for that, and it was actually something, you text us a couple, like, while I was in Vegas, so I just couldn't respond. Oh, that scene with the death. The scene of him just standing outside, continuously outside of Gwen's, it's not obviously that Peter doesn't care about Uncle Ben in the, but that one just true, because in the comics, too, it truly defines him. In the Silver Age comics, and Honestly, it actually defines comic books in a really big way.

Amazing Spider-Man 122 when Gwen Stacy died was so big for comic books. Comic books went from the silver to the bronze age within six months and actually changed size. Comic books were an eighth of an inch on the top and a quarter inch wider, physically bigger in the silver age of comic books. The death of Gwen Stacy was in my opinion so big that it changed comic books. So I would say, yeah, Uncle Ben, giant, impactful. The reason we have Spider-Man is great power, great responsibility. but Uncle Ben was the beginning of the journey of grief. And I would say that when Stacey, we don't have married.

Well, they even say that. And they say that whole thing, said, Gwen was my MJ's what he says. And then he's like, well, it was for me, it was Uncle Ben. Because Toby even makes reference to, well, yeah, MJ and I, we worked it out. And I get everything's going good. Which, you know, you see, and this is some of what we got to get into the Toby conversation, because this version of Peter Parker, this is a guy that is in his 40s and is now like just, he's past all that anger and the selfishness

and the things that we had the problem with. That's what was so cool, is watching a, like, a 40s Spider-Man, watching like a late 20s, early 30s Spider-Man, and then this kid, and like the three, like they mentioned later, I always wanted brothers, this idea that these three. And that's what did it for you, huh?

Yeah, it was, to me, it was that they, once we've established a relationship between the three of them, they're brothers. And they're related in a way, you know, is where it's the young, it's the older brother. And it was so relevant to the Spider-Man stuff Because if you listen to any stuff that you have,

like whether you have grievances about Toby or not, Andrew Garfield has always said that the second that he got the role, Toby was very supportive of him, told him, do your thing. And then Andrew Garfield did the same thing to Tom. So now the fact that the three of them are basically doing that same thing and making reference to the way that they did it

and to their movies. And even when Toby cracks himself, when he's, look, this is what I had to bring up because, well, but wait, I might have to stay. I want to stay in the scene, though, before we go to that. So when they're basically telling them, because Andrew has that emotional, tell him about Gwen Stacy and then Toby talking about Uncle Ben and saying, we just, I know you have to rage and you want to take him out,

but we got to do this together. And it's that moment of, okay, now we know these guys are going to work together. Yeah. Yeah. And that scene for me was not just impacting for Tom Spider-Man. it was impacting for all the movies and for the mythos of Spider-Man. Like it gave us every bit of those movies landing who Spider-Man is retroactively and going forward. So to me, that did what, you know, in-game did in and fixing continuity issues, but in a 24-year span.

Crazy. It's insane what they accomplished. And they go to the, and they start making this. And that's when we now transition to them now having to work together in the lab and do all that. Great lines, great back and forth. We got the point. Watching all of the point. The point when he says Peter.

Everybody keeps saying that there's one later with them when they're on the roof. There's another one too. Sure. But I thought this was the one. That was the one. Who? Yeah. Yeah.

And they did it. They didn't have to do it by the trash cans. They did it in the lap. But the one, the line that I want, there's a few things that I wanted to see that I was bummed that we didn't see. Like I wanted to see Toby look at JJ and go, he looks the same now than he did. That would have been fun. But what I really love that I said, they have to make reference.

I think we see this in the rewatch. They have to make reference that these guys. that these guys are shooting. And they came up twice. Grow. Where does it come? You just make it? Do you do it?

Does it ever come out anywhere else? You ever have any issues? And Toby's delivery. Oh man. This is the best I've ever liked to. And he's just here. That's ready to ask you. I've been wondering this whole time.

What was you? I asked Christian at the middle of the, at the middle of the screening, I was like, I wonder how Koi's going to feel about this because I honestly feel like this is a whole new bag. This is Toby McGuire. I think this is how.

other people have seen Toby McGuire Spider-Man that I was unable to see. I'm going to give full credit. He is on record not my favorite Spider-Man. This portrayal of Spider-Man by a 40-year-old, will now 50, but playing 40-year-old Spider-Man is the character I think that other people self. He's not 50.

He's not 50. He's not fitting. No, he's probably 48. I thought him in DiCaprio had just hit 50. 46. Oh. Okay. So either way, like, this mature Toby McGuire is exactly what I think I wanted out of the ones that when I rewatched, I felt less and of. So this character was great.

I think the two things there probably is, A, they're kind of making him play Anxie Teen and he really, like, since he was so far removed from it, I don't necessarily know if it worked. And B, again, we were complaining about not seeing the scientist. And the fact he's like, you know, I've been thinking about if I ever had another shot, I'm going to go make this anti-syram for him. I think I can really do it. And I was like, look at him out here doing chemistry. Immediately it was all the things I wanted at a Toby Spider-Man. And to this, so to this day, seeing all three of them side by side, and this was my only, one of my only concerns

going in because the rumors were loud. Three of them were in it. I was like, will it work that everyone will love them together because they play Spider-Man so differently. A part of me was worried that it'd be like, ooh, these Spider-Man mesh. But it was the opposite. They embraced chemistry. It was a meta.

It was very meta. The way that they approached it of the way that these guys played Spider-Man, the way that they were perceived the Spider-Man, the problems that some people had with all of the Spider-Man together and infused it in the storyline was brilliant. Yeah. It was brilliant the way that they did it because then it was like, and then we lead to that line of our, let's get into battle. Let's fight these guys.

And he's like, are you going to actually dress up or are you going to go as the cool youth pastor? It was, and, and Toby was never the guy that was like, that he was never a showboat. He was, he had grown so much from that Peter Parker had grown so much that he was just like, relax. And then even when they're busting his, not even busting his chops on the bridge, he thinks they are. When he's like, they'd go back to the. Yeah, the webbing thing. He's like, you guys making fun of me? And he's like, no, no, no, I'm legit.

Like, I really want to know. Like, they're not breaking each other's chops. that could have gotten old really quick. They're just playing with each other, but having fun, having conversations, very curious on how it all works, and it led to it, even Peter 1, Peter, 2, Peter 3. That got a little confusing, though, to figure out who was who. I loved Peter 3, though, because Andrew Garfield being the old Spider-Man that I see him as a self-deprecate, Peter 3, like, there was such a great moment.

I'm like, that's my guy. Yeah, no, it was because a lot of people have said that, though, even though we feel differently, and I think you would, too, a lot of people have, a lot of people have been like, I think Tom Holland's the first one. And that, no, exactly. And that a lot of, a lot of other people that are obsessed with the Ramey ones have said,

so I, that's almost the ranking at which people. And that's what it was so funny to me. And that's why Andrew's saying that almost two camera. And that being also his character. It was appropriate in our reality and this movie's reality and Tom's reality. Perfect. And what did they,

and they had that. The rhino joke was genius. Oh my God. What's the, what's the craziest villain you guys fought? Yeah. The black alien girl. I fought a guy in space.

Yeah. Yeah. Let's not lead out the Avengers. The Avengers. That was the best. I've always done this solo. I don't know what they do. Okay, I've been on the Avengers.

Like, you were the Avengers. And again, going back to the fact they weren't messing with them. Yeah, but they were like, and Toby made a joke. Toby made a joke about the Avengers that landed. That's so cool. It's like, no, no, no. It's like the Earth's mightiest defense.

He's like, we don't know what that is. Is that relevant right now? Like, Toby making jokes is the Spider-Man that I think, I honestly think this was the movie that everyone else saw the Sam Ramey movies as. And to me, this was the three of them at their best. All three of them gave their best Spider-Man performance. You know why all three of them were having a lot of fun. They were just having a time of their lives.

I guarantee you. Andrew's such a big fan of Tobia and Tom and vice versa. And I think both of them, like you said, like obviously Tom is excited because this is a big culmination and all that. But the other two, watching it and knowing how iconic this was going to be, they were like, let's just go do it. This is the biggest moment of our lives. Let's suit up. The backcracking. Oh, the backcracking.

And that being a reference to the C-Biscuit pain and the. the Spider-Man too and Andrew helping him and knowing exactly what that feels like because they're the aging Spider-Man like all of that was just so perfect. It's what I mean. It all played in because the way that they wrote it in was that if you really paid attention to everything that was going on with the casting of these guys and all this stuff, you'll get it. And if you didn't, it's just part of the plot. Look at three Spider-Men.

It's just part of the plot playing. So then they start fighting. They get the, you know, they get the fight between the villains. They're coming in. And then they start picking them off. doing all that and then here comes the goblin again yeah and the goblin coming in and the goblin now when he grabs and now because peter is this here's the main moment right he goes and he's about to get mj she falls goblin comes in swoops him out and then oh my god this was the moment but

i mean a lot of people had said i think that's garfield doing it but it's something you can predict it all day long but when actually seeing it the crowd erupted yeah because when he when he did it and it again showed you how great garfield is it was everything he he didn't say anything. Yeah. In his eyes, he's just like, it was sorrow. It was happiness. It was everything that he needed to do because it was a thing that has been haunting him for ever.

I'm really sorry because I went back into my black man talking about. I was just like, Redemption. I don't know if you heard of these. I definitely, as soon as he caught her and then landed and he started crying and said, Redemption. That moment in the world of me all.

Like I needed that moment so bad. I loved it so much. And then we get to the part where when Goblin and him are fighting on that, where that's sand, where the hell they're fighting? And the Captain America Shield thing that was really funny when they were like,

they're gonna deface the, yeah, another national monument. And then it falls off. Yeah, literally, Joe, Joe is saying,

and now Spider-Man's gonna deface another national monument is from the comics. Like that is directly as perfect. So they have this battle. They're fighting on the, on the sand and whatever it is. And,

and then Toby says, and a Toby, um, Tom says, I'm gonna kill you. Yeah. Good. He went full ever.

Oh, And the way they're fighting, the brutality. What I love about Spider-Man is that, like, he is so close to the edge at all times. Like, the reason I, I've always defended the Clone Saga, because to me, that's an existential crisis. It wasn't written that way, but I always saw the Clone Saga as, with great power comes great responsibility. What if you took that responsibility too far and kind of snapped and you needed an escape? And then you've got this guy that's running around blonde and happy. It's like a midlife crisis character.

It's Batman as well. It's the same thing where it's like, you have to draw the line in the sand somewhere and you have done the one thing that you can't do. And so like, like you said, watching that and the fact that I think it was brilliant, that Andrew was the one that had to catch MJ because I think that redemption,

I think Toby needed to be the one to stop him because he of all of them have seen that rage beyond anything. Oh, he also caught the glider that killed. It was the moment that he couldn't do with Goblin. Right. They all got the moment they couldn't do. He got to stop the glider.

He got to catch the- Oh, man. I thought he was gone. I was like, I think a lot of people did when he was, When he gets stabbed, then he falls. And then he plays references like, I've been stabbed.

Am I dying or is that real? He let the whole, he was so funny in this. Yeah, he let the whole audience know very quickly. Like, oh, is he dead?

Is he? No, I'm good. Yeah. And so when all that happens and all that plays, and then when Andrew throws him the thing and he takes him out and he comes back, the way that they played.

And then Doc Ock obviously coming in. Nobody was fooled, right? Yeah, nobody was fooled because it. But it makes sense of, his ego would be, though. Like, that played for my storyline. It worked to me that the villains were fooled. Right. It didn't work.

It didn't, if they were trying to fool us, that that was. I wasn't sure because, remember, the reason that... Their whole plan would be, would be crap, though. No, no, no, no. I know that. I'm saying the, oh, you thought that he was dead. No, no, no, no. I'm saying that there is no way that he was coming back a villain. But this is why I wasn't sure, because I don't know if you remember... Electro Zap him. You were afraid. Exactly. I had a moment of that.

So the reason in Spider-Man, too, he had that energy feedback that blew up the chip, and that's why the arms started talking to him. So when Electro Zap's up the hell out of him, I thought he'd well, they went, they went quick with it though. Yeah, I thought maybe and then they'd show the back of his neck or something, but I was very happy that it wasn't. Turns them all and it was great. So then obviously the redemption happens. Also, the lizard fighting Tobin McGuire Spider-Man made me so happy because that was supposed to happen for four years. Oh, right. Like when we saw him in the old Sam Ramey suit fighting the lizard, I was like, it was like a Dylan Baker moment. Like, finally, Lizard. That's why I want to go back and watch this movie again. But they pick the opposite.

And then things start breaking through and the wall screen and they show the silhouette of rhino and you used to. Craven. So you did see Craven? I saw Craven, Rhino and I think Scorpion. Okay. I thought I saw another Mysterio. I swore I saw the fishbow head. Oh, interesting.

Yeah, I can't wait to have like frame by frame of this beast. That was my other thing that I was curious though. Are we just assuming then that Mysterio dropping the bomb on all of this was the six of the Sinister six? Because we didn't get six. We got five. We got like four and a half. I'm really.

How that counts? He was fighting for a while. He was a villain for a bit. Yeah, I do wonder if down the line we need to maybe bring back the other Spider-Man to fight the Sinister Six or something. Like, now that we've met them, you know, will they do? Because I kept, I was very public like they won't do not Sinister Six. They won't have five and not do the Six. They didn't.

There was no Sinister Six. Well, I wonder, because then everything starts to crack through. You're like, how are they going to figure this out? And then part of me was like, when they were doing, though, when it was cracking through and Dr. Strange was saying, all right, well, I don't know how to do this. And he said, well, can you make a spell now that basically says that they all forget that Peter Parker exists? Or can you do that? He's like, I can do that and it'll work. But like everybody will.

And I thought to myself, oh, just to ask him to do a couple of people. Yeah. But then we're right back to where we started. So I get it. And then he does. And he has a great moment with Mary Jane. And it reminded me of eternal sunshine and spotless mind. Yes.

Very much. Like when he's, when she's find me a Montau. Like find me a Montau. Yep. Save it, say it then. And this is to me, the outside of the, of all the Spider-Man stuff that we talked about, when he comes, when the spell is cast,

and he goes to find MJ, and he sees her happy, and he sees that band-aid. It doesn't hurt anymore. He goes, I can't do this to them. And it reminded me the Andrew Garfield stuff, where Dennis Leary was like, don't get them involved in this. Don't get her involved in this.

And he's like, I got to set you free. And Spider-Man does that often. And how heartbreaking was it with that scene with him and happy? Did you think Happy was going to be, like, Kind of like maybe, but I, but I think that was, that, that one hurt, but I think that that's what Peter needed. Yeah. Because I think that making the sacrifice to not bring his friends back in was a lot. And I think even though Happy doesn't know who he is, happy at his core for all of his faults is one of the best people in this entire universe.

Took out a lot of memories, though. That's spelled a lot of memories with Happy and Tony though, because Tony told, I mean, he still knows her Spider-Man. is. So Spider-Man was still there. So you're talking about the moments where we're like in the car driving him around and all of that. But imagine in your mind you're like, well, how did Tony get Spider-Man involved? And he's like, well, he's always been involved, but how? But that's the thing about like memory. Like that is how memory works? Like all the time, I'm like, how did that happen? Yeah, no, absolutely. But either way. So then it pretty much wraps and he's, and he has to embrace that he's Spider-Man. I love the J. Joan and Jameson part where they let us know about him. He's like, if he was so heroic, he'd take up his mask. He'd take off his mask. He'd like, we take off his mask. Also, the scene earlier, way earlier, when he's broken and he's standing in front of that giant Jonah yelling at him was such a beautiful comic moment. That was so. The rage and it was such a beautiful silhouette. So that's the entire movie. So then we get to the really one post scene.

We didn't talk about one of the best scenes in the movie. The goddamn new costume. Oh yeah. Hit me. Hit me. Okay. This, he made a costume. It isn't powered.

He's finally Spider-Man. He's not Iron Man Jr. in any way. He's finally relying on himself. It's just so shiny. I mean, it is very shy. But also, it was lit in a very shiny area and reflecting off the snow. But also, but also, oh, what I forgot my, I forgot my, I forgot the thing that I noticed too, but the, the, okay. You got our Sam Ramey spidey swinging moment.

I get that. So, here's the one thing that I don't think that. So remember, he was swinging and he swung by the tree. And I think I said this to you, uh, at the screener, but maybe I didn't. If you needed to know where everything was going on and we got sort of our sinister six, but he just doesn't make an appearance, but we got the reference. from earlier in the movie. That is the exact same tree

and the exact same kind of setup during Hawkeye, when Hawkeye is dealing with Kate. So technically, Kingpin. Kingpin was kind of floating around. He didn't do anything. There was also a line of dialogue in Hawkeye this week saying,

what was it? We got the Rogers musical in the movie, but we also got a statue of liberty. Yeah, she's talking about adding this shield. So they have that. The Rogers musical exists in the film and the tree. Those are the three things

that immediately let you know, okay, all of this. I dig that. I like that a lot. Happening at the same time. To me, that suit was as, like,

so Amazing Spider-Man too is I probably think my favorite suit. I'm going to need to see this one more. But this was very much like a mix of silver age, like that bright, vibrant blue, the stitching and it being handmade, homemade,

like now he's Spider-Man. He's in an apartment paying monthly cash. No one knows who he is. He's a adult now. He's an adult. This, to me, the end of this movie is Spider-Man's origin.

It took five movies. Now we have Spider-Man. And you're going to get that set. So the first post, Really the only post-credit scene Because Dr. Strange, I think it's a trailer. So the post-credit scene is Tom Hardy's drunk. And drunk out of his mind.

What I loved about is such a different type of villain, right? Because the thing is he's sitting there and he's not there to go. He doesn't care about going after him. He's either to get hammered. And they even learn to like, I go find this Peter Parker kid. He's like, well, we just got here. And they're disappearing. And leaving the simia up behind.

It's in your trilogy, man. It just, well, what it means is that, okay, we can have venom in this. We can have a new Venom. We can have the black suit. Venom is like the Phoenix saga. It's a trilogy. Stop making it one movie. The Phoenix saga, you need to love Scott and Gene.

You need to grow to the Phoenix. With Spider-Man, you need a black suit movie. You need to know Eddie Brock. You need to have Venom be a third act, third movie. So what you can do now is you introduce maybe you bring in Gwen Stacy. And Mary Jane doesn't know who Spider-Man is. He falls in love and then MJ comes back into the picture later. Maybe you bring in him going to college and he meets all new characters.

Maybe he meets his Kirk Connors. Maybe he's teacher there and you're like, oh, Kirk Connors. You bring in the black suit. You literally can do the Silver Age Spider-Man we've all been asking for in the MCU. Well, he's got to come back. Well, he's enmorbius, but he's not going to know Peter Parker. Right. That's right.

He's going to know Spider-Man, but he's not going to know why. He's so angry. It's true. Right. It's genius. You have the origin of Spider-Man. This is now, this was an origin movie, five movies in. So, Winston, any other call?

Sorry, give me one second. Yeah, because call on this particular thing because then I think for we, Dr. Strange, we're going to, this trailer's going to drop probably this week. I think Monday. Yeah, it'll drop. So we can dive more into that because I think that you do see the evil Doctor Strange from what if it is. You get a beautiful black, I mean, Scarlat Witch, like the new costume and her

conjuring and stuff. Yeah. All that. And it's more about the multiverse in general. She's on Mount Wendigar, which is dope. It also looks like she's not necessarily the villain, which I kind of like. I do too. I didn't want crazy woman is magic problems.

I think because the same way that Dr. Strange, unfortunately, has messed with some things and all that. But by the fact that we got the, the sorcerer Supreme Supreme. What were they calling them in what if? Taco Supreme. Yeah. Tchaq. CrunchRap Supreme.

Since CrunchRap Supreme makes an appearance, we know that like maybe Wanda's meddling has something to do with stuff and is bad, but she's not the antagonist here. It really is this evil Dr. Strained. It's also, if you know,

it's fun with knowing the comics that where she is clipping those plants is Mount Wanda Gore, which is like the source of magic in our planet. It's the closest threshold to like, a magic source. So I'm really curious if that comes into play. Well, they set up a lot for the rules in this movie that can pertain to that movie. But either way, guys, that was it.

That was our entire Spider-Man series. I think this is the best Spider-Man movie, especially now talking about it. I think Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse and Spider-Man No Way Home are both five-star films, which means there are more, to me, co-ed ratings, five-star Spider-Man movies than any other superhero. Because the only other five-star superhero movies for me is are Dark Night and Winter Soldier. I probably would, I'm going, I already know seeing it a second time. I'm going to feel that way.

I think talking it out has probably put it where it's gone over the edge for Spider-Verst me. It was four and a half my first watch. It was really close. I was four and a half

my first, but I haven't seen it a second time. I like the, uh, the shortness, the briefness of Spider-Verse that's still got the job done. Sure. But you let the same reason you want to see

Star Wars no longer as films or at least give it some time and let TV shows happen. You have an opportunity to breathe. And I think it is possible. when across the Spiderverse comes out that maybe I flip flop back if they do a good of enough job but for the time being since we really got to breathe and stuff I think this is my favorite spider.

So I want to hold on the ranking still. Yeah, and I held until I saw it a second time. I didn't adjust my list until the second view. Okay, I wish I had brought a piece of paper and written this down. I was very curious because we never did. That's why I want to hold on them. You're still going to hold. I think we hold because I still, I mean,

so when do we do it? I don't know. I got it. I did it because I got it at a homework assignment. I know what, all right, go ahead. You do it. You do yours, Koi, first, and then I'll put together mine. I didn't really put it together, but I'll put this.

So for people who are wondering, when we did the rewatch series, we said it's very similar when we did the Star Wars one, we said we're going to put together our favorite ones. So, all right, let's, let's do it. We'll put it. And let's go from, from worst to worst to first. Okay. At worst? Start at worst.

Worst or first. It's Spider-Man 3. Spider-Man. So you're going to go first? No, no, no, no. I thought, I thought you were just saying. one at a time. This is why I didn't want to do this on the year. Okay. We'll do it later. We're professional.

We'll do it later. That's fine. Okay. Yeah, I got mine. My worst is Spider-Man 3. My second worst is amazing Spider-Man 2. My third worst is Spider-Man far from home. Then we have Spider-Man 1, 2002. Okay. Then we have The Amazing Spider-Man. Then Spider-Man 2. Spider-Man homecoming. Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse. Spider-Man, No Way Home. Okay. Can I just look at this? The visuals.

Yeah, they got you. Then post your help. All right. Hold on. Screw ahead, Winston. Okay. So Spider-Man 3 is my worst, followed by Spider-Man 1, then Spider-Man far from home, then the-N-No, no, no, I'm wrong. Sorry, the Amazing Spider-Man, then Spider-Man far from home, then Amazing Spider-Man 2, then Spider-Man home-coming, then Spider-Man-2, then into the Spider-Verce, and then No-Way home.

So what did there? How many other total? one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. So I'm missing one here. So three, Ramey, three, three, three, three. I see where I missed it. Yeah, yeah, right. Okay, so here's, here is my list right now.

So there's 11 of them. So number 11 for me is nine of them? Nine of them? Nine of them? Did I say 11? Yes, you did. Very clearly. Nine.

Sorry, nine out of nine. So number nine, number nine is Spidey three. Number eight is Amazing Spider-Man 2. Seven is Amazing Spider-Man. Six is Spider-Man. Five is Spider-Man. Two, four is far from home. Three is Homecoming.

Two is Spider-verse. And then one is No Way Home. There we go. So that's it. We did it, guys. It'll probably evolve again. Yeah, I'll see next year. Did I tell you something hilarious here, Winston,

just before we sign off, on my review, my non-spoiler review, I saw it twice. And the guy, one guy goes, you're lying. You didn't see this movie? And I go, what? He's like, you didn't see it. You're not telling the truth. And I'm like, is that a clone of me? He's like, you didn't see it.

I'm like, okay. And then another guy was like, because I like Tyrone Magnus very well, very much. I know him. I know him. And he's, I've been, buddies from for a bet, but he's this fan is like, why if Tyrone Magnus didn't see it? How come you saw it? You didn't see it.

You didn't see it. Talking about No Way Home. talking and I didn't see it. I love that someone's like if this one human being hasn't seen it, you can't have. And you can controls the internet. It's hilarious. It's hilarious. You didn't see it? I'm like, I literally, when I did my TikTok spoiler for review, I posted a picture of me in the red carpet. I literally wrote receipts because I didn't want that exact things.

I literally spent one second going like. Talk review? Yeah. Oh, interesting. But anyway, listen, that was the, that was the review guys. We did it. It was a long one, but it was worth it. It is the, it is the review of Spider-Man, No Way Home. Now remember. Number one for all three of us worth noting. It was.

I mean, again, that's a big thing. Let's see. But, all right, so here's the thing. So besides that, this is, when we released this on, this is Monday, well, tomorrow, we got to review the Matrix coming out. So there's so much more. And then we're going to do, Koi and I will be doing an episode of big thing for,

spoiler heavy, very similar to this for Matrix next Monday. I'll have a spoiler review of Matrix coming up right after it drops, drops on Wednesday, I believe. So there's so much coming up here. And then I have, I haven't, I didn't tell Koi this. I have the full season of Cobur Kine that I'm watching now. Yeah. Yeah.

So I'll be reviewing that. Good for you. So there's so much in this channel. Please, if you didn't already, please, please, please, subscribe to the channel. Hit the notification. But I'll be going to the major career this weekend. So I'll make sure to name drop a lot for you. I'll make sure that me and Keanu have your chat, have some talks, talk about some Kevin Feige experiences. You need to do that. So anyway, guys, please, please, please. Thank you so much for everything that you done. Please comment the whole thing. Thank you guys again. Thank you to Winston and Corey for this whole entire series that we did. We got a lot more coming up. We appreciate you. And please comment and subscribe, podcasts, all that stuff. We love you guys.

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