The Kristian Harloff Show - Is the new DC Studios plan a good plan or still too confusing?

Episode Date: January 31, 2023

The major announcement from president of DC studios, James Gunn was given today. We are getting a new superman movie, a lanterns, TV, show, Batman, and robin, but with Robin as Batman's deranged, assassin son. This and much more was announced for the new plan for the DCU. Was it a good plan? Can it be a good plan? Is it still too confusing? Kristian Harloff and Mike Kalinowski discuss all of the news.  #DC #DCU #DCUniverse #Batman #Superman. BETTER HELP: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp: Visit http://www.BetterHelp.com/bigthing today to get 10% off your first month. ATHLETIC GREENS: http://www.athleticgreens.com/bigthing OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-big-thing-kh-channel?ref_id=27393 AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Cummage is a registered trademark of Cummins, Inc. Graham and Hemmy are registered trademarks of FCAUS LLC. Hey, everybody, what's going on? Special Big Thing episode here today on a Tuesday for the obvious reasons. D.C. has announced their slate over the next 10 films, I guess TV, comic books, animated, a lot of it. There's a clear-cut plan, although it's still very confusing, at least for me. I brought in Mike Kalinowski here to be on The Big Thing with me today, and we're going to talk about all the announcements to particular movies. opinions on it. I haven't talked to Mike yet about it all. I don't know how he's feeling about it.

There's certain characters. I've heard of booster gold, but I'll get a little more clarity from Mike on that and this this assassin Robin, apparently that's Bruce Wayne's kid. News to me, but apparently that's been a thing. So we'll also find that out. There's a lot. There's a lot to talk about, whether it's that Superman, Supergirl, a Wonder Woman prequel series, kind of, in this style of Game of Thrones, True Detective with the lanterns. If I was going to guess, I'm going to say that's the one Mike's most decided about. We're going to find out.

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So you can head over there, patreon.com slash the big thing show, this and more. On the show today, guys, I am excited to be here with, Kalinowski. Let's do it. It is the big thing. I am ready. You're ready? Good. Then let's do it. Welcome back, one and all, to the big thing. It's me. And this character. This guy. Mike Kalanowski. Sitting in Steff's seat. I got the good lighting. Well, it's actually kind of, I guess it would be, for a big thing, it would be Roxy's Seed or either ladies. Either ladies, or. Or, or Koi sits there too for a capes and cows. Oh, okay.

So whatever you want. Whichever, whichever I choose. Do this. It's driving crazy. Is that better? Can you hear me better? I feel like I'm soft. Do you hear me? No, you see the yellow? Well, you definitely soft.

Turn my volume off. I can't hear you. Here, try this. What is that? I don't know. Two, three. There we go. Now we're talking.

What a girl. Now we're talking. All right. Dude. Yeah. Yeah. So I called you up because I was like, I did a video this morning. And I hadn't seen the gun video yet when I put the announcement out, but the gun video was pretty much the same.

Came a little later than the announcement. Yeah, but not too much. What they did? did yesterday was that they had a bunch of press go and, um, I know. And they covered it and, and there was an embargo on it. And then once nine o'clock, then variety and everybody and their mother started dropping it. You know, it's not nothing leaked. Well, because they, they, they brought in the people that, you know, hey, keep your mouch up. Well, they, they, they brought in the, a certain amount of people that they wanted to be there. It was really small. Yeah. Um, so

nonetheless, they, they have it, it drops. I read it on variety on the report that I was, was read it. I think the, I got it right here. The, Holly Reporter, I think that's right. Yeah. So, I mean, so there's, I mean, there's a lot. There's a lot to discuss, to talk about. Yeah, buddy. The first part is what I'm, they announced, like, let's just get right into this part of it. And that's the, what was so bizarre to me was, well, look, they were still leaving the door open for Gallagadote, Ezra Miller, Zach Levi.

But that Caval guy, he's gone. No, no, no, he's, we're just clarifying. There's no chance he's coming back. What the hell is that all about? It's like, everybody else has an opportunity to come back. And then they bring out the new bad. The Batman that they have with Robin is going to be like an old Batman with a kid, but they're bringing in a young Superman.

What's happening? Okay, so I know a lot of people wanted, I got to do a clean slate. You got to do a clean slate. You know, that was their thing. You got to do a clean slate. That's, I think what a lot of people expected. I think it made sense. Coming up to this, you know, Cavill had that meeting.

He was out. I don't know if Good Doe, whatever. I think she just kind of got lumped in that, but I don't think she ever had that talk with them. No, they never said it. Gunn made it clear. Jenkins had had the talk, like, I'm done with Wonder Woman Three. I'm out. But, and then,

Moa did his, I'm still Aco Man, but there's other things playing in the D.C. world. So that was all nebulous. Ezra Miller's trying to, you know, fix himself with his image. That's all nebulous.

They said Pattinson is Patinson. We've talked with Matt Reeves. That's his thing over there. Yeah. Kev was only the one that was like, yeah, no, you're done. You're out. Right.

So it's. What did you do? Unless because, my only thought is that. Piss on someone's desk or something? Gun knew, okay, Superman is the lynchpin. He is the guy that restarts all of this. He's the focal point of the DC world. Yeah.

I need to start fresh with that. Okay, fine, but the whole thing, but what's the difference between saying, because then he also said in this report. Yeah. But that JJ Abrams, Superman movie, that thing's still in development as well. But why isn't there man still still in development?

And he did mention that anything that doesn't happen in his little thing, his pocket, is else worlds, which is imprinted in the DC. comics that are these stories. So why get rid of Caval? I don't know. That's something makes no sense.

I think, did you get this feeling when he's talking about we've got Chazam coming out? And it's in the corner of the DCU so it works. And Blue Beatles are going to be a great addition to the DCU. And Aquaman is Aquaman. And then we're going to start with this. But he never said that they're gone or I just feel like they're waiting for the flash to come out. He says it in that video that the flash resets everything. He said that in the video.

But then he's like, but Aquaman, comes out afterwards. So how does that work? So again, is this, because Aquaman was already shot, unless there's a ton of reshoots that they did that they made it like, okay, look, this is going to reset it and then, because Safran said this is a multiverse thing. Yeah. So if they then start to rewrite this Aquaman movie, if they rewrote it a little bit to where it fits into the DCU, well, then that would make sense. Sure. If this is a variant of Arthur. And if you look at what they did with the first Aquaman. That was its own story. That didn't really connect to what Snyder was doing yet

with the same actors, but it took liberties. You know, Mara appears after, which would have appeared in his Justice League. So it stood alone, made a billion dollars. So maybe they're like, you know, this is, I have a feeling they were talking. Saffron and Gun Kim was like, we need to completely reset, start over, ground, and WB's like, you know, we got the film called The Joker made a billion dollars.

We got Matt Ruey's Batman killing it. Our Aquaman made a billion dollars. We got four films coming out. Now you can't do it completely. reboot. You got to take a, you gotta be a little gray area with some of these things. He's like, well, what about Superman? Can I have Superman? Because I, we'll never know the story of what happened behind the closed doors with Hamada and all those people and everything you're saying still is, even if you did it.

Silly, do you say, silly? No, no. Everything you're saying, even, even if that's all accurate, right, is still confusing as hell. I, not disagreeing with you. Yeah, because they're like, think about it, like, where you have, all right, like, so Blue Beetle does fit into the DCU and then they announced this and we'll get into all the announcements of the stuff that they did announce but Amanda Waller yeah that's a variant of Amanda Waller or it actually plays into the other stuff like I guess things could be explained inside of the flash and you'll learn a little bit more as it starts to come about which you would hope but it they didn't answer a lot of how is this going to be not confusing because when they started saying like had they

announced because I was definitely I wanted a Cavill movie or another one but once they said he wasn't coming back. You go, okay, well, that sucks. They have a plan. And then, like, well, everybody except Henry Cavill. Like, well, how does, how does that work? That's like, that's weird. They're in a weird period. And listening, kind of watching the feedback on Twitter this morning, there are still people that are like, like, what we're saying, it's like, I don't know, what's still what's going on. I don't know who's my Superman. I don't know who's my Batman. You got three Batman's now. I think we're kind of in a wait and see period. I know this was done. I think for years, people were clamoring. They just wanted a plan. So I think God's like,

got a plan now. They got a plan. We're not going to give you all the answers right away because there's no fun in that. Essentially what they did, it looks like anyway, was what they were doing that was good for a while because they were such a mess for a bit. And then they said, okay, look, let's put out movies like Joker and the Suicide Squad and all these movies. And they just kind of had these side movies.

And it played in and you just had DC movies. And if you're a DC fan, you can just go in and say, okay, I just want to enjoy a good movie. I want to go watch the patents and Batman or Joker. And you can do that. And the connection was so. it was all over the place. They didn't know what to do with it yet.

So with this plan, it's like, no, no, no. If you want to tune into the connected universe, we got it. But if you want side adventures, you got it. I just think for the casual viewer, it's going to be a lot to try to keep up with because it's like, oh, wait. So if I tune into this, that's going to connect to that,

but that's not going to connect to that. And that's my Batman. That's not what the... Only thought is this. I have a feeling that Flash is going to happen, and he's going to be running through the speed force, and we're going to see all these... I think we'll see a shot of

Chris Reeve is Superman on Earth somewhere. I think we'll see John Wesley's ship as a young flash. And, you know, because they've established that's Earth 90. That's this. So the people will see this and the film will end with the definitive end. Either Ezra Miller's world leaves, it blows up, dies. They use the whole crisis thing. And this going forward will be the world.

But what is, on the other hand, which I think James is going to do it, they said, he's like, this is going to be animation, live action, video. It is going to be the same actor. That's incredible. I love that. I love that they're like the plan itself that he announced that we'll talk about again momentarily is I like the plan. I think the plan is interesting.

I think there is a fair argument to be made in this two sides of it, right? The fair argument to me that these are, this is really James Guns. You look at the things that he announced. Oh, yeah. This is all James Gunn. So if you're not a James Gun fan, it's like if I like James Guns sensibilities, I like what he does. I like the type of stuff. But if it was like if Sam Ramey came out and did, and I, I respect Sam Ramee, but I'm not a big Sam Ramey fan. He's got his style. He's got a way. So Sam Ramey or

Tim Burton came out started. Tyco Wittiti. No, but I like Tyco Wattiti. I just put that, but if Tyco Wattiti came out, I'd be kind of like, I don't know about this. Anything, Marvel, Star Wars, you're right. So if Tyco Wattiti, who I like, right, but his style wise, I'd be nervous. It was like, well, here's a Tyco Watiti. Right. That's a great example, actually. So Tycoa Wattiti comes out and says, All right, Star Wars. He's taken over. He's the president now of the Star Wars slate. And here are the projects.

And they all sound Tycho Watiti focused. I would be nervous. So if I'm not a James Gunn fan and I was like, okay, great. So they have this. Because there was one project that I was like, oh my God, this is like straight up like. Future Commandos. I think that's what it was. The animated one?

Yeah, well, he's writing all those. That is James Gunn to a T. Yeah. So let's talk about some of these projects here. So the James Gunning comes out. And after they did this entire slate, you know, during the slate, during the video itself, he's, there you go. There's the creature commander. So I know nothing.

So you're pretty familiar with the creature commandos? Somewhat. Yeah. And again, so I'll say this. Like you had said, this is not my cup of tea in the world of D.C. Like, you know, they've done variations on this throughout the years. New 52 had a very good version of it. That's Rick Flagg, because people are saying it's Rick Flagg.

It's his dad or his grandfather. Does that connect into the suicide squad? That's what I mean. Because say what you will about whether you like his style. Like Gunn loves his actors and loves working with him. Like Michael Rooker. And Joel Kinnaman, you could tell. Because he picked and chose who he brought from the first Suicide Squad to this one.

He clearly loves Joel Kinnaman. And now here's Rick Flagg Sr. So this way it leaves, it doesn't, he died in Suicide Squad. But, you know, it still kind of keeps that character and the continuity of it. Like that's his son. It's not just re-rebooting Rick Flagg and sticking him 40 years. Right, so the Suicide Squad, I mean, I guess it's not really necessary to tell you whether or not. Right, it doesn't matter.

Because it's weird. Because it's weird and shit running around against the Nazis, which is interesting. But you, so you, this was just a comic, this particular thing? Well, it's been comics. There was a great, the DC animated films, they had what were called DC Showcase. And they were these 15-minute shorts that they included on the main film. And they did one. It was a kind of creature's command.

I don't think that was the name of it. But it was like, yeah, it was vampires, werewolves against Nazis. It was awesome. It sounds fun. Like, um, Moon Night? Overlord. Oh,

Overlord. Oh, it was amazing. This was like an animated overlord. So set in that, these are a little quirky, you had, I looked like Weasel in there.

So, I mean, the end there looked like the, Guns brother. Right, right, right, right, right, right, right. Okay, so, there's Mrs. Brider Frankenstein,

Frankenstein. This is right up Gunzalley. I mean, I think it's G. I think it's G. I think it's G. But either way, this is, this is right up Gunzallie.

Of course. This is him. The question is then it's going to be an animated show, and it'll be on, like, HBO Max, whatever it's on. Let me say this. Yeah, go ahead. About these characters.

And we'll get into the authority in a minute here. Authority is a little more popular, but those characters. Ten years ago, Gardens of the Galaxy, I grew up with Marvel Comics. Yeah. I could tell you, maybe a couple of the characters, I didn't read any of the comics. Now I love those characters.

They got video games, they got theme parks. Right. So with him taking that and going, just we'll get some fun with this, watch. And in 10 years, they're going to be. He said he already wrote the episode, which is interesting. He's got that talent. If there's something he likes, he's able to make it to the mainstream, it's not so

quirky. He's like, uh, that's that quirky crap. No, he likes the quirky. He likes the quirky, but he makes it palpitable. He does. Like Rocket Raccoon. He's got good, man. So here's like the difference I always talk about.

Like Michael Bay thinks he's hilarious. And he's not at all. He's like the most unfunny person like ever. He should just say to action. 100%. Stop trying to tell jokes, right? James comes a funny dude. Yeah.

I mean, like when you look at something like that, The Guardian Christmas special, that was hilarious. And then the, and the suicide squad, I, that's a, that's a very rewatchable movie for me. There is a, it was my favorite comic book movie that year. And that scene when he, when it's both Idrisel. Peacemaker and, and blood, and blood, go through that camp. Yeah. And the reveal at the end, without spoiling.

Holy shit, dude, I was sitting right there. I laughed so loud. I was like, I was, I was by myself. I didn't care. I was like losing it. And I was like, that's, that's, that. kind of stuff, but I do understand once again, where there is a fear from a lot of the DC fans, like, okay, maybe this show, maybe that calls for that. Yeah. But maybe there's other

stuff because there's talk about him. He mean, you wrote Superman. Like, I don't want to see a lot of jokes in Superman. Right. But also, look at you say with Bloodsport, with Idriselba. Like, he wasn't a joke in the movie. He was the serious character. He was. The Rick Flag with his death. That's some really great stuff. 100%. So I was with you when Gunn came aboard and he started writing everything. I'm like, I don't know if I want to see a James Gun Batman. Oh, I'm not there, by the way. I'm just saying I can see the concern. Absolutely. I see the concern. But I think he knows enough. And he had said he's like, I forgot the exact words he said about bringing the best writers that love these characters.

So I think he's going to find, I think there's things that speak to him because someone says like, well, he's in charge of DC. He's writing Superman. He's writing, you know, what's creature commandos? But I think if you get a creative that wants to tell stories in this sandbox, I bet he's had stories in his mind for years that he's now gets, like, what? I bet his, you know, he's sitting there 24 hours of day, just writing, throwing out ideas and loving it. I'll tell you,

one of the things that I really enjoyed about, or I really liked about the article that I read was when it went over the writer's room that they've been, that he involved. Yeah. Because it's something that I've been hoping and crossing my fingers for that Star Wars would do. And you kind of, there's like rumblings that Lindelof and Faloni and a few other people had been in a room,

but we don't know, right? And you're hoping. This is like a confirmation. There's writers from screenplays, not only from, not only from movie, comic book movies, but then you got the dude from The Martian, you got comic book writers. I don't know where I heard Drew Goddard's name thrown around. I don't know. I mean, you hear it all the time.

I don't know where I heard that, but I heard his name was thrown around that he's working. I think he was listed in that article. Okay, maybe it was in an article. Someone either mentioned this morning that he was involved, and I think that's such a great thing to have him involved. Isn't Goder part of the, isn't he the one who wrote The Martian? I thought, I didn't you do Godzilla? I don't know. Either way, I'm pretty sure you're right.

I like him, though. His, but it's the room that they put together. Yeah. He doesn't have to just do all this stuff by himself and Saffron. And so they announced this one. This is the, so this is the first kind of animated show. But when you, and the timelines of what's coming out first, like he had mentioned, you're going to get all the old school stuff first, the Flash, which would probably be the reboot.

You're going to get Shazam first. And wherever Shazam goes, then that leads into. the flash and then there's going to have to be something that kind of reboots it a bit and then you throw into Aquaman and whether or not they did reshoots or not with Aquaman, where they still have time to do it because the movie doesn't come out into December and they put some stuff in there to push us forward because let's not forget about Blue Beetle. But I just think Blue Beetle and Chazam are just so separate. I just feel it's...

You don't think that you don't think Blue Beetle fits into this new DC. I think it could, but I think it's not, I'm trying to think like... If you don't know, this is what concerns me. You're like as big of a hardcore DC fan than anyone I know. Right. And you watched that video from Gunn. And you still don't know what the hell. But I will say this. I was, you know, you try and as everyone's doing now, looking at everything he says.

And when he mentions the four films, he says, and Shazam has always kind of been this side pocket. Right. That's what he said. And the first one was, even though it was part of the Snyder era of DC films. They acknowledge it. They acknowledge it. You know, he comes in at the end and he's got the suit, but we don't see his face.

Right. So it was acknowledged. So. and I think that character and what they did with it, I don't know what you would do differently with it if they needed to reboot it eventually. So I think it kind of works. Blue Beetle, I think it's the same.

If it takes place in Texas or New Mexico or in the comics take place, it could just be its own thing. I know, but then again, we're getting into, there's the rumor that Ted Cordes in that movie, which is, I heard Jason Sedakis name kind of, which would lead to booster gold,

which just got announced. Yeah, yeah. I just feel the films are, are not like Joker where it's just like, it doesn't touch anything. It's his own thing. Right. I think it's like, yeah,

that could exist with what we're going to tell this story going forward. It could exist. It could. We're not going to acknowledge you yet. Right. That's my point with the case. Because maybe they're waiting to see how well it goes.

Right. There's no clear cut definitive. This is what it is because if it doesn't play right, then they don't put themselves on the position. Even though we're never going to see it. Back girl. That included Michael Key. That was clearly established in the new DC Flash,

whatever they're doing. and that was going forward. That's what happened. That's not one of those pocket films. From what I heard about The Flash, it's a great point about Michael Keating. So what I heard about The Flash is that he is heavily featured in this movie and is amazing. Like he's not, from what I heard, he's not like a supporting character. He's a co-lead.

That's what I heard. And so like the same thing. And I end that he's fantastic in it, as always. Of course. But what does that mean? So like, let's say you're James Gunn. And you're going back and you're going, okay, look. So we have all these movies coming out.

And now everyone is talking about Michael Keaton again as Batman. You don't touch it? You leave it alone? Or does he play Batman with the young Robin in the new series? Now you're at the point where it's like, are you, you're gun the fan or gun the creative? Because as a fan, I think he looks and goes,

Michael Keaton started it all almost. I mean, right, and he's, in Batman. Yeah. I get to play with him. I get to have him.

But, and he always says, his bottom, he always says, the story is key. Yeah. Where do you go with the story? Like he's the mentor to the flash.

You just let me know, I'll be right over here. So I just think when they're talking about Batman or Robin and their young Damien, he's too old to be a father to a 13-year-old boy. Right. Right. So that doesn't work. Because then we're almost getting... That kid's not going to be 13.

I mean, Damien's borderline 10-ish. In the comics, they're not going to make him that young. No chance. I hope they do. I don't think they will. We'll find out. We're going to talk about that more. You're going to need a lot of energy to keep up with us.

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as Amanda Waller, but it does tie into the people. peacemaker, so that means, I guess, Peacemaker is part of the DCU because this is announced in the DCU slate. So I guess Peacemaker is part of it, but they're not doing season two of peacemaker, but some of the suicide squad, excuse me, some of the peacemaker squad will be in this. Like, this is, this is where Confucian 101. Okay. But he's behind the eight ball in the sense that, like, he went, they gave him carte blanche on

Suicide Squad. And then out of that, he had so much fun, he's like, this peacemaker's doing this. I love that show. And then suddenly, yeah, it's fantastic. Yeah. out there, you know. I love it. Some people like, oh, it took liberties.

And I'd be like, yeah, it cares. You know, who cares? But they did, there's like, oh, Superman's got a poop fetish. And it's like, if you don't understand the concept behind that, he's not, James guy's not crapping on Superman. He's, he's, this D-List character that's never met Superman. He's taking a shot at him. But now they're like, I think he's kind of like, ooh, I got to reboot D.C.

I just created that stuff. And I love it. I want to keep that with it. So if he's doing a reboot, all that should be gone. And Waller should be a new Waller. But it's not. Or is it? Is it a variant?

Not a variant. I mean, yeah. Variants in the, yeah. Whatever. Is it a different world? I don't think so. I think it's the same Waller.

The same events have happened. I could be completely wrong. That's what I mean. Completely wrong. I could be. This is why I think that as much as I like the plan of the, and an announcement of a Waller show is great. I think that's love.

But the question though is if you don't know or if you're not ready to announce exactly what the hell it is yet, did they, pun intended, do they jump the gun? Hey, there you go. Okay, I was just thinking about that when you said that word. I think this might have gotten rid of some of the confusion had we got this announcement a month that, the week after the Flash Lift theaters, then we get this video, this article, the press release. I think, but I think two months ago, he's like, yeah, January, by then January, you're going to know our plan. I think they were set to that. Well, but they have to, though, because you do, you do, because everyone wants it.

Connective universe. Not just that. I mean, you're right, but it's not just that. Because if you waited until, like you say, June, yeah. Well, then you're basically, you could have waited until July and waited for Comic-Con. You absolutely could have. You could have done that.

And maybe that's what you wait until. But the problem even with that is then you have to answer so many questions leading up to. And then you're casting your shows and it gets leaked. You're right. You're right. I mean, that's a good point. This stuff is in production, right? are pre-production.

They're going. Yeah. And they're going to be cast as soon. Superman, which we'll get into in a moment. Like that's, it's written. Yeah,

you're right. Then they got, like the announcements for the director's got to start coming out. And then it's just a pain in the ass. You lose, like, again, nothing leaked.

I mean, it was only, what, a day. A day. Yeah. Nothing leaked, though. Nothing. Right.

And then they did it right. It was great. And we all got it at the same time, you know. And that's, and so that's the thing that I just, there will be clarification on all of it. I think, I mean, even when it happens.

And the clarification might very well be that, hey, it's going to be confusing. And I just don't know. I do think that it would have been a lot easier. And I think that you're partially right, that if you've got moneymakers in Aquaman and Shazam and all this stuff, that it's like, well, that's why we're continuing to doing. But I think it would a lot easier to just go, all right, this is our new slate. This is what we're going after because we already announced, like the Batman and Joker, it was already announced. Yeah. So it's like that stuff, it came out, let it come out.

The Aquaman movie's going to come out. Flash is going to come out, and then it's over. Now, what could happen also is a little bit of a ruse. And I think this is also possible. They said they're leaving the door open for Ezra Miller to return. Zach Levi, Galgadot, right? The door can be open, but it doesn't mean anybody's at home when they walk through the door. You know what I mean?

It's like, because they want to sell tickets to the movie theater to let people know, hey, we're closing and they're never allowed to come back. Why am I going to see their movie? Because Cavill, he's not lined up for anything. Mamoa's lined up for Aquaman. Ezra Miller's got, Gallagodot's the only one that doesn't line up for anything. But they're lined up and it's like, okay, we don't want to tell everybody that it doesn't mean anything because I got a ticket sales. Just tell them the doors open.

I saw that the minute they announced gun with the slate and stuff, they're like, why am I going to go see the Flash now? Why am I going to go see Aquaman? Because they're going to be good movies that can be enjoyable. Those people are wanting everything to build to something else instead of just, you know. But I get it. I do understand it. I can't discredit that. Because it is a kind of like, so Gunn, the first thing he came out there.

We got four great movies coming out. Right. Four great films and this and this and this. So he, you know. But what's he going to say? Even if they're, even if they're, of course. Oh, of course. But you did see the change in him when he started talking about the stuff that he helped create.

Of course. He came alive. He's excited about it. Right. This is him talking about four films that he had nothing to do with. That's the, that's the role of the president. Of course. He's got to play that.

He's got to play that now to where he's got to, he's, and you got to make money for it. Because when those make money. make money, he's going to run into a bit of an issue if they start making a lot of money and then people want them back and then he's got to figure out how to play him in there because I don't think, I think it's a detriment to him. If he's working on this plan and he's got this whole plan that he's announced and then Aquaman 3 they want to make. And he's like, well, but it doesn't really, it doesn't really fit into what we're doing. But it's another side project. Here's the thing. If the films are good, everyone's going into these four films coming up, skeptical.

If the films are good, like Black Adam, it went gangbusters first weekend because everyone was excited. We saw the film. It's kind of like, oh, right. Very good. If Blue Beat of Shazam is great, it's going to make money. If Flash is great, it's going to make money. But also, on the other hand, it leads to the point of like, let's say Flash is gangbusters. Keaton's fantastic.

I want more of it. So the next time I'm going to see Flash, it's going to be a different actor and I'm not getting Keene ever again. This is, so I'm like. Absolutely. What do that? It's, that's what I mean. It's just so confusing because your hands are tied because you have to promote your film. You have to try to get people in the theater to watch that film because it's going to benefit.

But there's also that party that's going, okay, I hope it just does good enough to go, okay, well, to stand alone. And then it, he does say in that video, though, that it's going to, that it's going to change things inside of the DCU. So something will affect it. At least that's what, that's what you, that's what you would assume the one character that could and should do it is the flash. And makes sense to do it. is the flash to explain the rules. Yeah. That movie, and that's what could potentially get people in the theater even more because they're going to go, this explains the rules.

Because right now, we don't know what the rules are. And then, but we do know the rules. And there's not much, as far as the way of reshoots are going. Yeah. I've heard of cameos being either added or drop. Right. They're not changing the plot of this film. Of the Flash, right.

Right. And it's been pretty much done for a very long time. And people are saying it's brilliant. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm like, they always did know, though, the pre-gun, they always knew with the flash, we've got to clear this up. Yeah. We've got Keaton. We've got Affleck who wants to say he's gone, but now he had so much fun shooting this.

You know, I think they knew this will clean up what we've got. It could work. Yeah. All right. So then you got the Mandar-Waller TV series. And they're connecting TV. They're doing all that. And this, like, you put Viola Davis in a TV show, live action show.

I mean, you got my attention. I mean, she's a phenomenal actress. The character's interesting. And the world could be interesting also, and it sets up a good era in TV. Yeah, I enjoyed that. Now, this is the one. This is, this is, this is the one. This is, this is Superman, and it is a, it's, it's a, it's a film that comes out of Superman legacy.

And the movie is not a origin story, which I think is very smart. You don't do an origin story, but Superman is my, and I don't know if you know this, not. Superman is my favorite comic book character out of every color. I don't know that. Really? Marvel, D.C., everyone. From everybody. Okay.

And it started because of my dad taking me to the Christopher Reed movies. And it's a lot of people. The best. Superman 2 is still my favorite comic book movie of all time. Really? Yeah. Okay. And I understand, do I think it is the best as far as made?

Yeah. No. But it's my favorite because of the nostalgia feel, the belief that I had that that was the kind of Superman. I always wanted, even when he had his pitfalls and the things that he had and the fight back and the fight with Zod and Non in the city, like all that stuff. but Superman has always been the... Roxy Striott. Do you have Bain for her chant? Is that what that is?

It's everybody's. So... You know, that came from the corruption. But anyway, the point is that the... Superman in general, after Superman 3 had come out and... Watching 3 again, there's still some good stuff in 3.

Yeah, but it's pretty... I mean, it's tough. But then I'm a big fan of the Man of Steel movie. I really enjoy it. I love it. And I think that I thought that Henry Cavill got a bum rap, never had a chance to do it. You know, it's funny as I'm going to release this short today. And I didn't realize it.

Do you know that Joe Mangonell was pretty much cast as Superman? Wait, what? Back and when? Like 20, it was Zach Snyder. He wasn't a lot of- Joe Mangano. Oh, I'm thinking, Joe Montania. No, Joe Mangano.

But he was working on True Blood, so they wouldn't let him out. So I have that clip. Yeah, I have that clip. I'm going to put it out. And I forgot that we had it on an old interview. I was like, I got to put that out today. Wait a minute.

What was he just, what were you guys just talk with him? You and Rock, was it? You and Rocks? You just posted a clip of him. Oh, what was it? You guys were talking.

Which one? Oh, come on. Do Arnold one? No, no. It was an actor who missed out and he didn't want to do a show or he did. Oh, that was, that was, no, that was in him. Just posted it. You just post it.

That was Michael Ironside. Yeah, that was it. Okay. Very, very different looking actors. Never mind. One's in his late 60s. Yeah, you know. One's built like a brick shouts.

Yeah, you know. That's right. So anyway, yeah, so Superman, this is announced. Now, this is where all the confusion comes in, though, because you have this, you have this Superman movie that Gunn is writing. Now, this is, again, as I've just advocated that, I really like James Gunn's style. I think there's a lot that he does. That's really good.

Peter Safran is trying to get him to direct it. I don't want that to happen. I would rather, for a lot of different reasons. Okay. A lot of different reasons, not just for the fact that I don't want to hear everybody going, oh, Superman, what's Superman? He's going to crack jokes in the middle of his thing. That's part one.

Part two, and not that I think that's going to happen. But part two is, like, the guy is writing all this other stuff. He's taking care of everything else. Let's not have him direct one of the biggest movies coming out to. And I understand where they probably feel a little more comfortable in doing that. But find someone else and let him oversee it. Let him give us thoughts. And this is going to be, this movie is everything.

Because he even says it's everything. It starts it. It's also the movie that got me at Joe's Pizza from Corey because I told them, I told them there was no world where this movie was coming out in 2014. No world. Winston was, Wait. Winston was guessing that it was potentially.

2020. 2024, what I say, 2014? Yeah. Yeah, 2020. No way it's coming out in a year. No, no. They announce it. 2025.

But I'm just saying, they bet against you? They bet against me. They're done money. Winston said it, remember, it's like two months ago. But Winston had said that it's possible a July. at 2024. I said, you're out of your mind. And then Corey was like, I think, I think December 2024. And I said, no way.

Coy said, it's a little more believable. A two year. It was possible. That's a possible. That's a possible. But a reach. And I said, 2025 realistically makes the most sense when you think about they don't even have the guy cast. Yeah. They got to cast and they got to get a director. They got to do, they got to shoot the movie. They got to previs. They got to do everything else. Four movies in 2022. Yeah. No, 2022. I'm sorry. Four movies,

2023. But that was, and that's only... There's nothing in 2024. Yet, we'll remember, though. The TV stuff will be out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember, the only reason there's so many movies in 20203 is because everything got pushed back. Yeah, like Shazam, Aquaman.

We were all supposed to have seen all of them by now. The Beetle was supposed to come out this year, but everything else was supposed to come out. All right. Easy. Jesus. She'll have ex-voss. Two-piece combo over there. You want some of this?

You little bastard. But anyway, so, yeah, but they have, uh, but they have, uh, They have this movie coming out now in 2025, and it's going to kick everything off. And you'll already know the Superman at that point. The hype will be through the roof with this. We'll have a story kind of telling. Now, when did the lanterns come out? Does that come out in 24?

I didn't pay attention to dates. I think this is the only one that they were. Okay. So that's definitely said was coming out of a specific date. Well, 2025 is also Reeves as Batman. That's, that's. Chapter 2 it's called now. Yeah.

That was 2025. Right. But this is the first DCU film. Right. And it is going to. Yeah, gods and monsters. Well, gods and monsters is no, that's the name of the slate. Right.

Right. But he's the first part of the slate. But I think we'll get creature commandos way before this. I think so too. Again, it doesn't tie to the, you know. Yeah, I think that he said from the way it made it seem like the lanterns and all those other shows were coming out first leading into the big movie, which would make sense. Oh.

You can produce TV faster because you have this entire art. but you can still, while the shows are airing, you can edit and be piecing together in post-production in the other episodes. But it all leads up to Superman. Now, Superman's been out there. He's doing this thing. And what I liked,

it was the only movie out of all of them that were announced that seemed like, even though it takes place in a cynical world, you have this beacon of hope in Superman. Right? And like he's, he is happiness. He's, you know, hope. He's all that,

the thing that we knew about Superman in a world like today, which I think is an interesting concept, right? Yeah, very important. Yeah. So do you like this approach for where they're going to go, Superman? Yeah, I was a little trepidation at first when they mentioned the younger Superman. I was like, oh, we don't need the origin again. Right.

But then I look at Calvill Manistiel. He was younger. Yeah. And it's still worth. Yeah, I think, I would assume they're going to go like in late 20s. But it's very interesting that they used that one image and then Gunn had tweeted out. He was doing some research that they're using All-Star Superman as kind of like the template. This is a Grant Morrison run.

that is kind of the quintessential if you say if someone's like, I don't know anything about Superman, read this book. Right. And that kind of gives you Superman at his core what he is. So that's a great sign

that they're using that as inspiration. Well, that's what I think is another thing that people aren't talking about enough is that this isn't, a lot of times when the comic book movies have failed is when it was running, it was ran by the suits

who just go, oh yeah, there are certain elements that are great about that. Do that, put that in there. I can't do that, scratch it. This is a guy who reads it. reads all these things, reads his comics, and has the comic book writers in the room to adapt the stuff that he loves. That's a big win for comic book fans.

I mean, it's a really big win, and I think that he's going to be doing that. I'm not as familiar with this particular run, but like you guys are, but this is something that I think will work, but I got to get past the confusion part of it, right? It's like the idea of getting another Superman movie finally is exciting, and it is the move to make.

I think everybody, if you really put it together, it's the first one that kicks off because the other smart, move about that is that you're going to follow it up with other characters who aren't as well known or aren't as they aren't like the top three you know Batman wonder woman Superman um and so this is the question is god bless the whoever they cast i think you cast an unknown you have to cast i think most of these shows should be unknowns the the name sells themselves depends on it man it's just super girl i love i love aflac and i love them in the role but he brought so much baggage to Sure.

And not baggage. I don't mean baggage in a bad way. I know what you mean. It's like you, it's, that's Ben Affleck. Decades. That's Ben Affleck as Batman.

You just get, like look at Chris Hemsworth. I didn't know who hell he was before. He's just got that chemistry. Hugh Jackman. Yeah. No one knew who he was. Right.

Now he's Wolverine for what? Right. 25 years and people are clamoring from back. It's a good call. Give him he's unknown the chance. It depends. But we do need to do the same way that you did for those that you mentioned, you have to put people inside of that movie,

some stars inside of the movie somewhere. Sure. You cast your Perry White is a famous actor. Whatever it might be. You're, you know, your Lex Luther. Yeah.

Right. Big name. Which I think could work better. And, but an unknown for Superman works for sure. Oh my God does. But we'll see. I mean,

there's going to be a lot of pressure on this kid. Whoever they, yeah, we'll be a kid because he means like his early 20s. And he's going to be Superman in everything. Right. Animation. Right.

Right. And that's what you sign up to. So it's going to be interesting. It's the one that it sets the whole tone. because I'll tell you what, this will be like the, what's that, what was that monster's freaking universe

that they had? Remember that Monsters University of the universe? Oh my God, that was a wet fart. And I'll tell you that, if this movie bombs, yeah. This is,

let's put it like this. Let's put this out there in the universe to give this guy who gets this role a chance. Because look at Brandon Ralph. He came into a, singer said, we're making a spiritual sequel

to Reeves to Superman. And seeing the, Robert Meyer, Brianette did this great. He did the behind the scenes for Superman. It was like two-hour documentary. Seeing what this guy went through to train and, you know, emulate Christopher. And then the movie didn't do well. People crapped on him. And now 10 years later, people love him. Yeah. It's like Anakin. And they saw him in crisis and they saw him in the suit. Like, oh, get him to do Superman now. So let's not wait for these actors 10 years to show them how good they were. Let's

when they get there, get behind them and go, you know what? We've learned our less from the hidden Christians and the brand of Routes of the World. world. Let's give this actor the chance. Remember, though, generations grow up. You're right. You're right. I mean, because the people who are given Hayden Christensen the big standing applause are the ones who grew up with him when he was 10 years. when they were 10 years old watching. But,

which is warranted and fair and that's, it takes time. But look, I like Rainer Routh when he was in the... I like Superman Returns. I really do. I don't like the ending of it. I like the... Well, there's a lot that he's creepy as hell in that movie. You know, staring out of a window and stuff. I get it. And I like Kate Bosworth, but I didn't

think she was a good choice for Lois. But that's another question. who's going to be lowest, who's going to do all this. So there's a lot of, there's a lot coming up there, but it's the big movie for them for sure. For sure. And that's going to be, that's going to be the first one out the gate. And then they got this live action show. Now, whether or not this comes out after or before. Is this, no, was I right?

Is this one you're looking forward to the most? Well, so last night, I was sitting there and I said, you know what? I'm going to do my top five hopes for what this were going to get announced. And I got four out of my five. Okay. I wanted to have a movie called The Green Lantern. Yeah. And it was going to be a trilogy.

One set in the 30s with Alan Scott, the first one. One set during the space race in the 60s with Hal Jordan, and then a current day with John Stewart. And then at the final film, they all come together to face parallax, whatever the big bad guy is. So we're getting Green Lanterns, we're getting John and Hal. I love that, that the fact that we're not just doing John, not just doing Hal. But I had always said, I thought a Green Lantern were great if they did like a training day.

An older mentor, taking a young rookie on the, but in the galaxy, out of the world. space scumbags everywhere. So they're setting it on Earth, but I think they work so good. You've got this veteran teaching this young kid. And what they used a lot, and many times both the announcement and in the report, was the reference to True Detective,

which I love because they said that Berlante's version, I guess, they were going to do was a big space opera. Yeah, that was, they had different lantons from different time periods as well. Right. So, yeah. So space hop. Ambitious, I think they were.

Yeah, I get it. Like space opera, you're always going to make me go, huh? Because I'm always interested in it. But the scaled down true detective, this is what I'm saying, like in the beginning of this episode, what we're talking about is, confusion aside, the plan sounds cool. Like the plan sounds interesting. Like the references and knowing how to pitch something to people who are interested, like,

look, you like true detective, that's where we're going with this. And it can get a little kind of darker and a little crazy. So I did my video and I said how that there seems to be a lot of stuff that's kind of darker inside of this entire thing. and someone's like, well, Snyder did dark. Snyder did dark. No one's taken away from Snyder on dark. But if you compare it to the actual, the entire thing, you had Snyder's verse and then write the next movie was Shazam.

And then you had these other. So it's like, no, no one's talking about shitting on Snyder. People are just looking for excuse to bitch. It's like, that's not, I like Snyder's stuff. But that was, but where I'm talking about the overall entire theme is like this kind of darker shit going on. Yeah, and I think I saw some people like, what the detectives? A couple guys in green little rings all lit up.

doing a detective story. This is like, I don't think it's going to be them solving. Joe Smith got murdered by some gangbanger. It's going to be an alien body. Like men in black, but, but not as dead on the streets,

this alien body on earth. And it's like, how the hell did this happen? Like alienation. I remember like, yes. Right, like alien nation.

Yeah, like James Conn. But it's stuff that the cops can't, like, what the hell is this? And I mean, the Green Lantern core are they're cops. That's what they are.

And it's like the cops. And it's pretty great. Yeah, it's pretty great. Yeah, it can push it a little bit. Yeah, you can push it a little bit and put it together. And so that's why I'm curious if this is a 2024-2020-5 show. Like what comes at first? Because what they said in this show was that this show discovers

what the overall first fades, I guess, of the gods and monsters is. Right. That's what he said. So if that's the case, is that before Superman leading into Superman? Then that would be 20-24. The best thing to think about this,

and I just hit on this. For DC, the big seven, DC characters were always looked at as the gods. Whereas Marvel were Where they were us Everyday people In extraordinary situations DC and that's why DC

Maybe not have resonated with a lot of people Because it's us watching The superheroes The gods So we know the gods are So the monsters are the evil in this world And it's these two forces Kind of how we meet them

And I think that's a fascinating To Alex Ross One of the kind of greatest Kind of DC guys of all time His art and iconic images We always see it's always Alex Ross They're the gods And to know that that's

the inspiration for it, you know. Yeah, and so that, I would assume, I think it makes sense that this would come out in 2024. And like you said, TV can be much, like we talk on Sith Council constantly about the TV and how it seems like it's always, what, that's here already? Right, right. Because they just shot it. They just shot it.

They're coming out. So it's easy to get. I would say the time you start your writing to the time you can get in the air within a year. Right. Right. If you put this together, if you put this show together now and you, and you, and you, you, You cast it. You get the directors, you have everything around,

and you start shooting in, I don't know, let's say, August. Let's go with a little bit. Let's say, you start shooting in August of 2023. You can have this show in the air by September of 2024. Think about it. Think about back of the day pilot season. You're casting in May.

So you're writing in January, casting in May. It's on the air for September. 100%. Absolutely. And these are a little more tech heavy. Yeah. This just goes into what, again, what's the plan, right? Yeah.

is because what I got in that video from gun was that the overall what this is about really plays into the movies and the overall theme. That would make sense leading in then to Superman, as opposed to Superman coming out first, and then this comes out after it's ready. So I don't know, we'll find a little bit more. And didn't he say about the lanterns, or maybe it was Swamp Thing,

where what's happening here will affect. That's Swamp Thing. Yeah, because he said that it's outside, but there's still stuff going on. So that one, that one, we don't know. Again, was that the official image or did you pull that up? No, that was from, that wasn't from his video. Okay, because that is the current.

Yeah. Anything on the bottom there with the, with a little. So that was the current Earth Year 1, or Earth, Earth One series. It was stand-alones. The concept behind those where it was, they did a Superman, they did Batman, Wonder Woman, Lantern, Teen Titans. Those were books, they came out as trade paper backs and said, okay, you don't need to know D.C. continuity. these are stories set on this Earth 1. Yeah.

And they're great stories. A lot of Reeves' Batman took inspiration from the Batman, Earth 1, 2, and 3. So those are, that's the fact that he's using that some really good stuff. All right, so then moving on, and then here's this one. Okay, this one. So this one you're familiar with. Oh, no. You're not a story with it.

Well, I know what it is. I'm not a fan of it. Oh, wow. Okay. I could not get into this. All right, so gun is. This is, this to me, was the swing at the fence like, I would have never in a million years guess this is what he was he's through the moon on this one i know and this is not only a tv this is

not a tv this is a movie so this is the second movie that's going to be coming out after superman so they say and this is the authority and it's basically what he said was that and maybe you know i can't i can't i don't know i don't know here's i didn't like them this is this is what i read on it right so he said they're a bunch of superhero who believe that the world's could be cleaned up but they want to do it in their own way right so what i got from that he's like you never seen superheroes like this and I automatically went to like the boys. That's exactly what I was always like. The two leads are gay, so it's a gay couple, which is kind of cool.

And that's what I knew about the time. It just didn't resonate with me ever, you know. But what I love about that announcement is the fact that, like we said earlier, the Gardens of the Galaxy, I couldn't care less pre-2013 about those characters. And I love them now. So to know what he could do with this and open it up to the larger world, I think that's fantastic. Again, I don't,

I love that he took a swing at that. But this is, he is taking swings and he can introduce this new characters and we've seen what were he able to do so far. Yeah. But this is also, I'm going to play devil's advocate also that if I'm a DC fan, I'm going,

this guy's just making the stuff that he wants to make. Okay. He's not, he's not taking into consideration what maybe everybody will like. He just wants to make the stuff. And there's, but then again, on the flip side of that,

I think that I would, I encourage the fact that somebody, If somebody's that passionate about it and think that they can tell a story because it resonated with them and they want to get it out in the world and say, hey, I'm going to put this person on. I'm going to do this. I'm going to show you what's really interesting about this. Maybe you didn't respond to it when you read it. I'm going to show you stuff that was great.

I remember saying it. I remember 2013. I was telling me it was like, Gardens of Galaxy, this could be the MCU's first bomb. This could be the bomb. Like, no one's going to like this movie. I was saying that. And I was just like, this movie's incredible. Yeah.

Like, I would have loved a scene instead of this, like, a justice. League Europe or Justice League International, these kind of quirky characters, setting weird, it's comedy, it's funny. That would have been my go-to if you're doing a James Gunn in the D.C. But he didn't, he went, but that authority has a massive fan base. Yeah, but not, but not, no, not Superman level, no. It's got a fan base inside of maybe the comic book world. It was like, I don't know, nobody else knew what the hell this thing was.

Now, the question is this, though, once again. And it's not a question. It's a statement. It's a statement that this movie, if Superman, the Superman movie bombs, this movie never sees a lie today. I'm trying to live in a world to think of what happens if that Superman movie does bomb.

It's over. It's over. That movie, it's dark universe. It's dark universe all over again. It doesn't matter how good those TV shows were. If that Superman movie bombs right out the gate and loses money from one of us, it's over. Would you, I mean, because you think the fans are going to,

if it depends. I'm a different side, but it depends. I'm not the guy to ask that. I'm not the guy to ask that because my, My fandom love of DC You're going to see it no matter what because you're rooting for it Because you're rooting for it, yes

I'm going to say this. I use this analogy a lot And I used it back in 2016 On DC movie news I said this stuff to us It's like our sports Yeah, right DC is my team

Right Sports, you know If you're big football guy Baseball guy No matter what happens With your team You stand by your team Yeah

You have a couple bad years Your quarterback sucks And they picked up some great Big three agents right now Your coach sucks Right Your owners trade Whatever they hate it

Right You might not You might even close to Super Bowl for four or five years. Right. You stand by your team. 100%. You get a Wonder Woman 84.

You stand by your team because you know you believe in them. And even when they're not good, they got the talent. They just need the organization. Even when they're not good, you still love them. Right. Because they have the talent. So that's where I am with D. But right now you're in a good spot.

I am. It's a great spot. You got a new owner. You know, you got a lot of new. Not a new blood on the team. New heavy hitters and they're bringing in Superman. They're bringing in this rookie hot shot quarterback. They just built a new stadium for them?

100%. But if the team blows it on game one. You know, and it's a big game. People are going to go, because there's a lot of money put in that game in that first game. So it is. It's very interesting.

I love it. Like you said, it's our sports. It is. But the thing is, like, you know, when you have Superman, people will say, like,

now if it's a good, now, now look, wait, wait, hold on a second. The other thing that I will say, though, it really depends on the marketing

and everything behind it, and it'll be different this time with gun in the driver's seat. But the Suicide Squad is an example. That movie was fantastic. Yeah, it was. It ate dog shit.

at the theater. And that's also pandemic-wise and all that other stuff too, but it ate it. And so that would be a harder decision. If I'm, if I'm, you know, Zazloff and I'm looking at it going, well, this movie didn't do very well, but it's awesome. It's awesome. So I don't know what the hell to do. Maybe it's our marketing approach, whatever, too. This is an, I believe in this movie. Now, if he sees and it stinks, and everyone else says it stinks, then you're in trouble. It stinks. It stinks. It's interesting because we talk about this and Sith Council with the fan base, where it's splinter because you see it. There's a good portion of the fan base that are like,

it's not Snyder. I'm not going to see it. Of course. James Gunn is shit. Right. All this is shit. Right. And she's like,

but that's a, we look in the microcos of everything. That's a small, devoted group. Right. Comes to box office. Good movie's a good movie. If you make a good Superman movie,

I think, I think audience are clamoring. I agree. And that's why the casting is so important. That's why the trailers will be so important. That's why I mean, it'll, there's a lot of hype. It's going to be a lot of hype.

So, all right. So, but this, this movie, though, man, this, the, if Superman does well, then the authority is in a, of the Galaxy type position. I see what you're saying. It's like, people are clamoring for the next thing in this. Yeah. Because it sets it up to say, okay, we have enough confidence inside of this, what Superman did. And now this plays into that and it, and it led us into this movie, then people are going to

want to see it. I'll say this. That's a movie you cast with big names, stars. Some. Because you can't. I think half and half. Yeah, you can't sell it on the name a lot. You can't sell it.

Agreed. Agreed. You get, holy crap, he looks awesome. He's a gay superhero. Hell yeah. You need a couple people inside of that particular role. All right. So that's still in the movie verse.

And then we move in and we get to TV again. And now Paradise Lost, again, saying it, saying the right things to me. And I mentioned in my videos, I always have to mention Ninth's old Republic. I was like, I'm just wishing it one day someone's going to go, we're making a Knights of Old Republic. TV show and it's going to be in the vein of Game of Thrones. And what does James Gun do? He said, this is going to be like Game of Thrones.

And you got, you know, the Amazon's sticking knives through people's necks and seeing how this whole thing came to be. Now, I don't know what that image is from. You don't know the camera? No, every image that we've thrown up so far that he's used, I know what it's from. That one, I don't know what it's from. Okay. Well, so I'm, I apologize and hang up the deep credit on that one. All good, though, but nonetheless, this is a, this prequel series that does not have Diana in it.

But in a met. mention that. Like it's very specific that that's what they chose. They didn't tell, it's not like, I don't think, it doesn't seem like current day, them mascara. No, no, no, they said it. It's how, it's the origin of it. Right. Okay. So that was a very, it's the whole gal, non, we don't know what's going on. They're protecting themselves here. And she came out. It's like, we've got some great things coming for Wonder Woman with me. Yeah, because that's the whole thing. Like what if they call it, you know, whatever this flash sets up that anybody could show up, whether it's, again, I know Variant is Marvel, but they, at the end of this show, Galgadote is revealed as Wonder Woman at the very end of it or whatever it might be. Who knows?

But that's not even the important part. The important part is that it's setting up this particular world first, and it's setting up Themiskela for the DCU in general. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is what it's doing because the mythology and all that. And once again, it's not going to have the, I don't think it's going to have the PG-13 gloves on this entire phase, this entire slate doesn't seem like it's got kid gloves on. It seems like it's got varying degrees of rating. It seems like you can go R with somebody. You can go more, even if it's a PG-13, a hard PG-13 like Matt Reeves Batman, you know, for a lot of this stuff.

And I think that that's what is so intriguing to me, like a Game of Thrones, Temeskilla, that was Temeskilla. what's Tamaskilla? Themiscares. Temascares, excuse me. Tamascarra, that to me is very intriguing. Yeah. So. And I don't want to say adult.

That's a, because that's, that's to mean that, oh, kids can't like. More mature. I think they, I think more, more mature. Yeah, I think kids can get it as well. I don't, for this? No, I don't think that is. I mean, the smoker, island full of women. You have some fun, like, you know, explore those themes.

It's going to be, it's going to be pretty. This one I'm excited for. but especially because again, I like the smart choice of making a TV show expansion. There's just something I just, maybe you asked me, I don't know if someone was like, did you think gal's gone? And it was tough because at the time

it was kind of like the pins were lining up and everyone was getting knocked down. I don't know because there's such a love of her in that role. Yeah, I know, but that's why I, hearing myself say it, the wrath. Hearing myself say it before, though, I think it's starting to come more clear this might be the thing.

go out and make the announcement. Say that the door's open. And if one day we decide to use them and we can use them, then we will. Just say the doors open. He just knew he could not do that with his Superman, because this is going to be the start of everything. I have to have a clean slate.

Yeah, I know. But maybe because they came out and said that whole thing with Henry, I would have just said the doors open for everybody. Because then... Yeah, because there's else worlds. The else worlds. I get it. The doors open for everybody.

Now it's like, when is it open? I don't know. The door's not open right now. But it'll be open for everybody. when it's time and it's not really ever open it's like that's fine and just say it's open and you know one day maybe we'll make a thing maybe that also keeps the certain groups that want certain versions of these characters to be vocal I don't know um so that so this tv show comes out and look again this is a lot of stuff and this one here we go is this the one right so it's interesting

because everyone's asking if it's either going to be dick grason or who's the other one um nightwing right what dick dick grayson is who's the other one don't i'm jason todd is jason todd jason todd so uh those Tim Drake is Robin. No, Jason Todd is the one I was thinking of. But I had never heard of this character. I didn't even know about me. He was a man. No, I didn't even know he had his son.

He's a bastard. Is he? Yeah. So tell me about him. Okay, so back in the 80s, there was, I think it was called birth of the demon. He's been around for a while. Well, no. It was a story of Bruce Wayne and Talia Al-Gul.

Okay. El-Wing, having a kid. Oh, he's a child, he was a kid? Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah. He's the grandson of the demon. Okay.

So, but Tally is pregnant at the end, gives the kid up for adoption. And Bruce never knows he's a kid. So it's kind of taught as like, that happened in a story that they told we don't really. So then Grant Morrison, which he keeps referencing, brought Damien back. He's like, you know, Taylor shows up. This is your son, Damien.

He's been trained as assassin for 10 years. So good luck with him. And it's phenomenal. That's really good. And he was such a, suck of prick. Like, you hate, everyone hated him. As a kid. As a kid.

Everyone hated him. Not just as, like, the way he was written. Just like, this kid sucks. This character sucks. But they did such a good job with the father and the son. Because Bruce has never been a dad. He was always kind of like a surrogate father to Tim Drake and Dick Grayson, all these guys. But he was never a father.

And he was a terrible father to those guys. So, but Grayson, so this is his blood. And Grayson's dead at this point. I don't think so. Oh, really? I think they're all alive. You think so? I'll bet they're all alive.

They're all off living worlds. Like Bruce was a terrible father. I fucked up in the head from this. This who I am. I think this is his chance. Like, I got to raise this kid. This is my blood. And I think we'll have the other Robbins in it.

I think they'll be. And then so this is. I think that's such. a good idea. Yeah. I want to see that. I'll say, that was my top pick. I was like, I want a Batman and Robin movie. I want a bat cave with a giant robot dinosaur, a giant penny. Yes. Well, if you're looking at timeline here, right? So Batman 2, the The Batman 2 comes out in 2025. Right. So Superman comes out in 2025. I think it's 26. I think this is 27. Really? Yeah, because I think we're getting, four years from now. Think about it. You got, you got this other one, this, not this one, but

this one. Yeah. This one, I think, comes out in 2020, um, six. And then this one comes out in 2027.

Oh, Jesus. That gives you enough time. That gives you two years to separate Patinson from a new Batman. Okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah,

I didn't think about that. Unless, you know, you maybe have him show up in, in another one of the movies or something, too. But it allows you to set this whole story up that then starts to play Superman and Batman starting to get involved.

And then, you know, you can close out the, the patents in Batman. Yeah, you're right. Unless you're doing a trilogy. I don't know. You think he's doing a trilogy?

Is he doing a trilogy? I don't know. I don't know. I hope there's not an end to that. I know Reeves only said three, but... Not sure. But this one... You're right, you're right.

But I don't know. Well, who knows of them right? It could be absolutely... They could start relation to... I don't think... I just don't think two years should be the plan yet. I think you just won? I think so.

I think that's probably this move. But we're getting TV shows, but we're not getting TV shows like Star Wars, where it's just like... It's Andor, but then we're hoping for a movie. This is all connected. Right. And the animation stuff, they can crank out fast, too. Yeah.

So, yeah, the one, the year. It's amazing because back in the day, that wasn't the game. I know. The one of a year, you're just kind of like, oh, God, it sucks when you think about. I was like, no, but if we've got great TV shows that are all connected, you're fine. And games, too, yeah. So then, so that one, this, this one is becoming pretty exciting for me. I just think of the potential, I think it's a potential, okay, we talk about this.

And I've said this. Like, God forbid if I see those. fall one more time off of Martha Wayne's neck. We've seen so many iterations of Batman, but if they're done well, but this is a version of Batman we have not seen. And I love the Batman, but this was very much set in the Nolan-ish,

early in his career, realistic take. This is not going to be that. I think this is going to be a kind of fantastical. Well, you have to, from considering gods and monsters. Yeah, I think this is him, you know, and it's going to be a Batman,

and Robin we've never seen, a dynamic we've never seen. This one's interesting. interesting to me. Then after that, now I think I missed, I missed SuperGall. Maybe that's after this, but Booster Gold. I've heard from Booster Gold from you and Johnny LaCosto and everybody wants to see Booster Gold. And the explanation of him made a lot of sense that, again, James Gunn type character where this, here's this guy from the future who's using future technology, make himself look like a superhero. Now, if Chris Pratt wasn't Star Lord, he would be a perfect.

Oh, 100%. But they're talking about what's his face, Glenn Powell, which I think, the top gun guy? Right, the top gun guy. The top gun guy? I think that Glenn Powell. He would be phenomenal. People talk about Glenn Powell for Hal Jordan. And I said, no, he played a very similar character in Maverick. And, well, he didn't play

a, but he played a pilot in devotion. Right. I was like, no, the guy's beyond that. Like, but Booster Gold would give him a chance to show his chops because he's good in, like, his rom-coms he does. Yeah. He's real good in that stuff. He's good. So I, Booster Gold, I didn't come with. Someone said that. And I was like, that's perfect. Yeah. I saw Ash Crosson, I

think posts about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, Glenn Powell will be amazing. But booster goal will be great. There's no way we don't get Blue Beetle with the two of them. They're the dynamic duo. So then that would make then Blue Beetle part of this DCU. Because that's what I'm saying.

There's rumors that Ted Cord is in the Blue Beetle movie. Ted Cord is his mentor. Okay. He was the original, he's not the original Blue Beetle. There was the, Dan Garrett was the first one. So is Blue Beetle essentially like Spider-Man? He's a legacy character. But is it Spider-Man, like, what I should say?

It's like, is it... Miles and Peter Parker. Yes. Yeah, right. But older and younger. Okay. Yeah. Got it, got it.

It's a great dynamic. Got it. But booster gold and blue beetle are like Abbotel and Costello. Of this, of, they're the, like, remember we talked about in Star Wars, the two stormtroopers that had just bumbled their way through these grand adventures? Yeah. Put the two of them in there like that. It could be, you know, yeah. All right, before we get to the Supergirl one, because I want to get to that and then we'll kind of close out.

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And if it helps you, please let us know. And they're phenomenal. I'm so glad that they are back. Rounding out, though, Mike, we got this Supergirl movie. Yeah. There's a sword in the back, look like Shira. But so I didn't, she was raised on a, as I said, that the comparison like Superman was that Superman was raised by nice parents on Earth,

and here she was on like a rock on Krypton. I think they said like a piece of krypton. Yeah. She was raised on that thing. So then she finds herself and this is the image that they chose. So once again... There's a more of a current run that he fell in love with. That's what I'm saying is that he's going,

he's definitely, he's going more towards the dark on a lot of this stuff. I'm curious with Supergirl because we have a Supergirl. And Sasha Callie, I think her name is in the Flash movie. Oh, in the Flash movie. Yeah, okay. Supergirl. Okay. You think that'll be her?

And the rumor was that that was going to be the new version of Superman in this whatever post-flash world. So it's not Sasha Kelly going forward, I don't think. Right. And the fact that they are doing a Supergirl movie speaks to me that, okay, he had an idea. Yeah. I would have thought they would have done more of like a Legion of Superhero, which is going to be the anime movie coming out soon. I don't, that's, this isn't, that's, like, the authority was a, uh, curveball out of left field.

This is a weird one to me. I'm like, yeah, it's interesting. He must have picked this because it fits in with what he's doing, but I don't know how. If it fits in it on what he's doing, well, tone wise, it definitely fits in what he's doing so far. It's like, you look at every single thing that they announced was that there, you have this, you have this, uh, world that is just kind of, people are, are shit. Yeah. And then the only one so far that seems that is trying to fight against that is Superman. Right.

Supergirl seems to be kind of bummed out and wanting to go and fight against the crap, but because she's pissed off. Batman's trying to deal with his lunatic son, right? You got the, what's the authority, which are a bunch of jerkoffs who want to kill all the rest of the jerkoffs. And, you know, Amanda Wall is not a good person. So, I mean, nobody's good so far in this whole thing. And there seems to be like a theme, you know, overall.

So I think it's an interesting choice for sure. And I also think one of the other reasons that you lead with it is because it's the first and the only ones, well, Amanda Waller, who is not a superhero per se, but it's a female-led show. Right. And then you got the, and again, another TV show with the, with the Amazon's TV show, there's no female-led movie yet, and here you go. Now, the question would be, if you're not getting Supergirl, there was no female-led movie.

They were like, well, why was Wonder Woman? Right. And instead they go, we're not going to do Wonder Woman yet, but we are going to do Supergirl, because we haven't done that yet. Yeah, I mean. Helen Slater will be revising the role. The only thing I'm saying is that we're going to have a supergirl that audiences might fall in love with in the flash. Yeah, I mean, look.

I don't know. That's the oddball that I can't think, like we talk confusion. Like, this is the one that confuse me. I'm like, all right. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's, look, again, there is a plan. And then the plan continues on because we're still, we're talking about 10 movies, potentially 10 years or 10 sets of whatever, the 10 year plan.

continuing on now and then you got Swamp Thing. Yeah. I love the old Swamp Thing movie with Heather Locklear, by the way. That was the second one, you know that right? I guess so. I guess so. Jesus. Gee, you want to talk about when I have to watch Inner Geekdom, what I had to deal with.

Did you have to watch that? Dude, it is. I'm not telling you how. It is terrible. It's terrible. The fat sidekick, the two kids, the black kid and the white kid. I haven't seen those were the best. But my God.

It's a bad movie, I know. The first Swamp thing is like, okay. Is the second one with Hella Ler Lovler? Yes. It is, the first one is shlocky, John Carpardy, like, West Craven. Like, it's just that vibey that they were in this, no budget crap in their swamp, you know,

but the second one is like, oh my God, it's fucking terrible. Didn't they do a TV show recently that was pretty good? Well, they've done several TV shows. No, but I remember it was a controversy, because it was like HBO Max's, yeah, Disney, DC, Oh, right, right, right, right.

When they let, like, Titans, due patrol and swamp thing, whatever, right. And it was great. That's what I heard, yeah. It was great. Mears, uh, God, Derek Mears was the swamp thing guy. Okay.

It was a great show. Like, everyone loved it. And then I remember either they cut the budget or they were to see all access, wasn't it? Yeah, whatever started off. But then it was like, I think it's when they started that for like the first year, and then they were going to move to HBO Max. But HBO Max didn't want it.

That's what it was. It was a, and they cut it without telling the cast and that was a debacle for that show. Right, right. That's what I'm saying. I remember that. But it was good. So they announced this and what I liked the announcement behind it was that was the horror behind it. Because remember, like, James Gunn, no stranger to horror, slither and other things that he's done.

And this, and again, not that he's going to direct it, but that he's going to oversee it. And by doing it this way, and I think that it's going to be a, I'm going to guess and this is going to be like a straight up horror film. because... And it's a film or TV show. It's a movie. Yeah, this is a movie. Then I see this is, because there was a run, I think it started with the New 52,

where he was involved with what's called the Green, and that's like the earth itself. But it lends himself because he's always been involved in the Justice League dark. Right. So it lends them to those characters. Entrigan, Dead Man, Constantine, Zatana. So I think, you know, you got a guy in the swamp

that doesn't really talk about. You're going to have a great supporting cast in there. So I have a feeling. And you're not going to do something that the TV show did. Right. So the TV shows stayed away from that where our arcane mystic stuff.

So I think... Well, I think they're going to do a straight-up horror film because I think that he made it pretty clear James Gunn that how you're going to see different things, right? What he's got to do is he's got to differentiate himself from Marvel, right?

He has to, of course. And Marvel has done these things where, like, you look at Dr. Strange, too, which I didn't love. But there were me. There were certain horror elements in that that's kind of carried over from the Derrickson original take.

And Sam Ramey did some pretty kind of horror stuff with the Dead Strange and all this stuff. It was there. But the movie itself isn't, and even with Wanda, it was scary at times. And there were some pretty creepy things in that movie. You couldn't really classify it as a horror film, right? I feel like you're going to look at this more so, like, this is a horror film that just happens to have a common book character. That's my gut instinct on it for some reason. And I think that it's a smart move because it changes.

And it's like because, as you mentioned before, he said, look, this is a, is going to be like a standalone thing, but it's still going to connect. Yeah. So that way, if it is a horror movie and just horror fans go to see it and they don't put like a ton of money into it, but it's just enough to where they're going to try to do like the Blumhouse effect. Right. Put like a lower budget.

You know what I mean? They put a lower budget behind it and they get people in the theater to see it. And it comes out in like a February, March, it makes a shit ton of cash. It costs nothing to make. Right. And then it says, oh, by the way, there was a reference to this and it connects to that. Yeah. Remember that artifact that they found?

Watch that thing. Right. That's a smart move. And I think if they do it that way, like this movie should not cost a lot of money to make. It depends. It shouldn't. If this is your gateway into the Justice League dark stuff

that Del Toro was trying to do forever. I don't think it's as universal, and I think it's too much more. It's the same reason that you look at like Black Adam. Black Adam cost way too much money to make. It costs way too much money to make. And that's one of the main reasons that the movie made like $500 million. It's one thing to make a movie.

Even barely. It's one thing to make a movie about The Joker. It's another thing to make a movie about Black Adam. I know. He's a D-list. And the fact that, like... You think Swamp Thing is not... He's supposed to be with Shazam.

Like, the fact that they were actively fighting that. I'm with you, but Swamp Thing is, that's what I'm saying. Swamp Thing is niche, but that's why I'm like... That's why you put, if you do it in, that's why I say by approaching it in a hard, I think the horror way that they're doing is. But also, if you pump that film a couple later, and you get the people going from it, for DC you build that MCU train where it's just like, oh my God, I love what they're doing.

I got to see the next thing. What's next for them? Unless it is a straight up horror fan, you got to understand that not everybody is a horror fan. I'm not a horror fan. I'm not either. But sometimes, but if it has a good story and it plays well, then I respond to it. Yeah. And I think that I was using the conjuring as an example, right?

And I think that if they do it the right way, that's why I think the strategy behind it, if they are doing that strategy of, hey, we're going to make a swamping movie. We're going to do the Blumhouse effect to it. We're going to make it connect, but it's going to be. It's a way I always wanted Terminator, the new Terminator, to kind of be instead. Because they keep dumping hundreds of millions of dollars in Terminator. Nobody wants to see it. But if they went back to, like, the 1984 approach, it costs you not that much money to make. You know, a small little, you know, a sci-fi film.

You got an opportunity to build off the IP. And if you do that with the swamp thing and you take a loss on it because it's like, hey, look, the movie costs $40 million to $50 million to make. and it made 100. You also got to give them something, though, that the show didn't give. Like, you've got to... Yeah. It just can't be the swamp thing in the swamp, solving murder mysteries with some, you know, hillbilly cop. But I'll tell you, what's interesting is that, you know, we were able to full a full show and even do more.

We're going to have a week to talk more about it because he did give you a lot. He's just, like, like, we opened in the beginning of the show, it's very confusing still. And as much as I like the plan and the announcements, and I think that the movies, sound in the TV shows sound really interesting, I still don't know what the hell's going on with everything else. And it's still not very clear to me. That's the, that's the biggest criticism I have so far. He sold it as if he had a real good answer to it, but it wasn't. I mean, that's, that it's, it's like, wait, but who, what, then where, how, but the actual movies themselves, I think are interesting. I do understand the criticism if you're not a gun fan that it seems like it's, it's

scratching a lot of the stuff that he wants to do, but I think it's just prerogative, you know, It's his game plan. It's the coach if you use Mike's analogy. Yeah, they interviewed a lot of coaches. Yeah. And they liked his game plan the most. And he came in. He's like, this is what I love your team.

I love what your team stands for. And I think my plan can get us into the end. Yeah, I think we get that Super Bowl every single year. Yeah. Just back this plan. All right. Well, now it just really is up to you guys, man. This is a full episode on the bake thing.

We normally don't have episodes on Tuesday, but because of the big announcement, we decided to absolutely do it. Mike was nice enough to come on over. and drive over to talk with you guys. Out of all this stuff, first of all, do you think it's confusing? I mean, because even Mike is a bit confused on this stuff too. Do you guys, are you still confused?

You're like, no, no, I got a clear cut. It makes a lot of sense to me. Very curious to there. What out of all the projects do you think has the most potential? Do you agree that if Superman eats it, then the whole thing is toast and we're back to dark universe? I'm just like, so you thought about that. I'm thinking where we are right now.

Like what we know about the MCU going forward, phase five and six. I know what is coming. I'm confused. Fantastic Four, when's it coming? The mutants are going to be your X-Men. Right. But I trust them. Because I know at the end of it come four years from now

when I'm watching the Kang Dynasty, you know, and the Fantastic Four with X-Men. They've proven themselves so far. And everyone would lose my mind like I do with Endgame. So I just would say they got the plan. Everyone wanted a plan for D.C. They want to just want a plan. There's a plan.

Star Wars take notice. Now if they can get on more. That being said. Now, do you guys agree that Mike should probably be on Caps and California? Alex, because he talks more in this show than he did in five episodes of Sith Council. Get you. You should put me back on that camera right now. Because what you guys don't see at home is when I'm sitting there and that my chair over there, I see this.

Because I talk a lot and I don't like to talk. We've got three people on Sith Council and I can't, I've learned to not talk over you and Steph. I don't know if you've learned that. Well, I try. I try. You've gotten better. This is just you and me. Right.

You didn't cut me off as much as you do normally. So that's good. Because it's a conversation. It's like acting. What's the other kind? Did you know? Go ahead, Michael. Michael, how do you feel about this?

Because I was talking to you. It's two of us right here because I look at this eye and I look to that eye right there. I don't do this and I don't blink a lot. But look this eye to that eye. And that's why we had a conversation. I like that. Did you know that there's hidden footage of both. Oh shit.

There is of Michael, of Michael Kane and Gary Busey as Batman. Did you know that? I'll let me play it. I believe that the Joker has been communicating with trash can. downstairs in the basement. I'm going to go, Alfred. Can you go ahead and get my Batmobile ready? It's the one with the bagels has the front tire and back tire.

I can't tell if we're doing a scene or not. Now, did you know that if we're supposed to be having this scene together, people are not supposed to know it's supposed to be acting together. We're supposed to look and have, like we're having a rehearsal. Now, you just mumble-jumbled your mind, and I don't know what is going on in that fucking thing is yours. What? You seem, sir.

What? Sir, simultaneously, ice cubes, a rendering. That is what is happening inside of the inner lobes of my back tube. Not a lot of people know this, but I'm going to tell you something, Mr. Busey, and you can carry this on wherever you go.

Did you know that it takes a man in a tweed suit, five and a half seconds to fall from the top of Big Ben to the ground? Now, not a lot of people know that. I had a friend named... Now, you know what I'm talking out of my ass like that? That's what you sound like right now. I had a friend named Big Ben,

and one time he took a Doverman Pinscher, and he whipped him around by the tail, and he swung him around, Most people would think, hey, don't do that to the dog. The dog understood that it was his time to access the earth. And inside of that, he realized that pizza should be made from the outside of a Chucky mask. In the conversation, this is the turn. And I need to get to the prestige because I don't understand what the fuck you're talking about.

Try me on a roof of them. All right, everybody. Thank you. Twice. All right, everybody. Thank you for joining us on the show. Mike Kalinowski, myself. We'll see you back.

So I'm probably going to move Sith Council to Thursday and then tomorrow will be a big thing with me, Roxy and Brett, because we'll probably cover this a little bit more. And then we'll be back with some Star Wars stuff on Thursday, take a break, and then Capes and Cal's. Again, we'll be back talking about this for sure all week on it.

All right, once again, guys, thank you very much. Appreciate you. And thanks again to Mike, and we'll see you on the flip side. Peace. Oh, yeah, do me a favor. Before we even do that. If you haven't done this, go ahead and subscribe. Thank you so much.

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