The Kristian Harloff Show - IS WARNER BROS KEEPING EZRA MILLER AS THE FLASH IN THE NEW DCU?! | CAPES AND COWLS

Episode Date: January 6, 2023

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Happy Friday, everybody. Nice to see you, capes and cows, big thing. We are back in studio, all of us. I am excited for it. And we got a good show here for us today, everybody. A lot of stuff. There's a lot of rumors. A lot of rumors.

Not only do we cover the story of the big thing yesterday that there's inside rumblings, that the flash might be as hyped up as a dark night. Say what? And inside of that, because the movie might be so good, the big report, as you saw on this title, is that there are major rumors that Ezra Miller might continue on as the flash.

Is that a good idea? Is that a bad idea? It's a discussion that we're going to have on the show today for short. Dave Patista, I thought he was friends with the Rock. Well, he took another shot at him inside of one of these comments. And it's very interesting. What's going on? He's supposed to be more of a dramatic actor.

He said saying goodbye to Drax, but on the way out, he slapped the Rock in the head with his ball bag. And then there's some secret war of rumors. We'll put the time codes if you in case you don't want to hear about. rumors, that's fine. But we, I'm curious about it more so because I want to know more about secret wars. I don't know enough about it. I want to hear some stuff from both Winston and Coy. Speaking of D.C., man, that wasn't D.C. that was Marvel. But speaking to D.C. from before, you've got James Gunn, who's also talking about Wonder Woman, some stuff there, what's going to

happen with Gal Gadot. If Edgadol, Miller sticking around, is Gal Gadot's sticking around so much? Speaking of D.C. again. Speaking of the Rock again. I told you guys, there's a report out there that said that the Rock did try to take over DC. Stop that. And it turns out that that's a major rumor and it could be true. So we'll talk about that as well. What happened? What went wrong? That and more on today's show. So if you haven't already done this, I'm really hoping that you've, Apple Podcast, Spotify, the numbers are growing on those platforms and we need you guys to help. So if you're a brand new viewer and you're like, what the hell are you talking about? I only watch on YouTube. Will you help out the show tremendously when you go to Apple Podcasts or something?

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of those shirts. That more on today's show, guys. Thank you so much. Can't wait to get into it, Winston and Coy. You ready? I'm ready. Everybody's ready. Sounds wonderful. Let's do it. Welcome back, one and all to the show that we do here. What praise. That's good, right? It's the show we do here. It's the show we do here. Is it lying? Coy, Winston. Hi. Hello, guys. Happy New Year. How was your breaks? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've been dying, man. I just sat at home. I learned to edit, though. I only got some editing skills.

You guys both were working on your channels. I like it a lot. I like it a lot. Check out both, both Koi Minson and got the YouTube channels, the single channels. You should go and check those out. Your walkout reactions are great, man.

Thank you. I appreciate it. It's been fun doing that. I need to go ahead and figure out how I get universal access. They got a lot of good stuff coming out this year. This year is so stacked. I did my 20, 23 most anticipated, and I tried to narrow it down to 23.

I succeeded, but I had 50 movies. I'm excited for this year. Like comfortably. I had a problem trying to pick my top five most anticipated. You did five? It's so hard. I did 10.

10. I did 10 and I forgot my number two most anticipated movie. While I was editing, I forgot my number two. And I put it in. June. Dune. I completely forgot about Dune. Mine's Guy Ritchie and Jake Jillan.

I'll do a movie together. Oh, okay. Well, Dune number one was my number one movie of that year. I know. Dune was my number one movie of that year. And I was like, for some reason I thought it was 2024. I don't know why. I think it's because it felt forever to go two years ago.

Yeah. Yeah. But now it's around the core. And I put. And I put it at, I didn't even have it in there. And people like, I thought you loved Dune. Where's Dune? And I'm like, and I would write back to everybody.

I'm an idiot. That's why. I completely forgot it. Especially post Elvis, which we, I didn't realize you loved Elvis as much as I did. I liked it. Yeah, I liked it a lot. It's in my top 10.

But I mean, the one, Blue Beat. Because Austin Butler's in Dune too. Well, but you're talking about best of. But I was talking about anticipated. Oh, yeah. I'm saying because of Elvis, I'm even more excited for Dune. Oh, right, right. I'm saying like, Dune was already up there.

But, sure, sure, sure. But it was up there for me just because of how great the first one was. But the only one that would drop down just a little bit. And I had a bias on top 10, my 10, and that was Blue Beetle, which will, and I really want to see it. It needs to be great. The test screens have been going great for it. But I have a bias because I'm friendly with Sholo, but I am excited for that film. But that's the one that probably would just drop to an honorable mention.

And then I push everything up. Yeah, because my top, and then my top three would be right now. number three would be Creed 3, number two would be June, and number one is Indiana Jones. Oh, okay. I could say that for you. That's Spider-Viris didn't make my cut. I know. Wow.

It was tough. It was tough. That's crazy. It was number 10, but now it's number 11. That's crazy. I know. That doesn't make sense. Yeah, but if you heard the list, I think it would.

I'll go back and watch it and then I'll call you and say, that doesn't make sense. I know. If Spider-vers is not being in the top 10, it would be in the top 10. It would probably be 10. It was, if I remember. remember it was part of the top five. I almost panicked because I had, I forgot about it. Yeah.

And then I remembered and I was like, ooh, something got to go. I need to relook at the list. It's the only franchise filming in my top three. I'll say Guardians is in there for me. Yeah. My top three. Guardians. Oh, top three.

Yeah, yeah. Mine, Spiderverse, the killer and then Oppenheimer. Okay. Oppenheimer was in there for me. The one that's in there for me that was in my top ten that I don't even know if it's coming out, but it was supposed to come out last year is Scorsesee's new movie. That's in my top. That's in my top ten.

That's what they say. It's coming in May. So it was like number five for me. But I had Guardians in my top 10. I had Ant Man in my top 10. I had the Flash in top 10. Flash was outside of flying. Flash's in my 20.

It's 20, sure. I guess just from the standpoint of like we don't know anything except like the drama and the test screenings are great. I did, you know. Yeah. So we can, I mean, I guess so. So. Well, yeah. Well, let's, everybody.

So if you brand, I know, look, we've got to. And I wanted to thank everybody because this show we've, we started, myself, Winston and Coy started doing shows together. last year in the beginning of last year or shoot 2021 now at this point and we were um we just started kind of doing a rewatch series we know we liked doing shows together and then we realized quickly that there were certain rewatches that we could do and people would want to tune in but obviously if you didn't want to watch the movie like I like watching these guys talk about stuff but that's not necessarily something I'm into so we'd move that to patreon but we created capes and cows it was something that we had always talked about for a while we created that um

last year we started doing it and I will say that it is quickly becoming one of the more viewed episodes of the big thing weekly and I thank you guys for that but one of the things that we're going to implement to all of the big thing episodes is um the format that we've been doing because we're always going to have a loose conversation I think that's what makes this channel this channel but the we're adding a little bit of a structure to it is essentially what we the three of us did on our best movies uh comic book movies list when we did our episode last week and we're going to take a list And we did this on the big thing episode. We did this on Monday.

We did this entire week and we're going to continue to do it because it seems like you guys are digging it. We have a list of topics. We are going to show whoever the panelists are in the cases of today. It's myself, Winston, and Coy, and we're going to have a list and we're going to go through those particular topics. And then we'll talk about them. Sometimes you won't get to all of the topics, but we're probably going to pick a lot of the ones that most people want to talk about. And we're going to start right now. And I'm going to start with this one.

It's all about this flash story, man, and it's kind of a tufer, because the first part of it is you get the test screenings, and we had already heard that this movie was really good. Everyone has been talking about how good this movie is. Now, the new rumor is that the flash, this is like they say studio executives are talking about how hyped up there. They're about as hyped up for this movie as The Dark Night, and it's all this buzz.

And sometimes I think that's here. you know, just people adding a little extra hype. I can say, and someone added this, there's from even the, there's kind of a little bit more goofiness in this movie. So I don't know if it's going to compare it to, like, say, the Dark Night, but I've just heard so many good things about this movie overall so far. And this is another report.

This report is that Ezra Miller may have a future as Barry Allen beyond the Flash, but Wonder Woman is looking like to be shelves. So there's a, there's a double, here, and this is going to add to a long conversation here. As much as I think we're going to try to get to all the other stories, I don't know anything is going to be a debate. I think we're all going to be on the same page here, but we'll find out. This is from comic book movie.

New details about DC Studios plan for the DCU have been revealed, and while executives now seem open to the idea of Ezra Miller sticking around as the Flash, Wonder Woman might be on ice for now. DC Studios, which is spearheaded by James Gunn and Peter Safran, has big plans for the new DCU. Those remain a mystery to us for the time being, but variety has shared a few interesting tidbits. All right, so this has come from a variety.

Apparently, Guns promised January reveal will consist of their three-year interconnected vision for the cinematic universe. An indication, Warner Brothers isn't looking to put the cart before the horse with this eight to 10-year plan that has been formulated. The last time they unveiled a DC slate, it didn't go so well. After all, announcing too big of a slate of movies is likely to backfire given past experience,

with the new team in charge. Apparently, Gun and Saffron's plan is a broad, but not blanket reset. In other words, it might not be the full-blown reboot we've been led to believe, even if Henry Cavill will no longer play Superman. However, the duo plans to explain these changes to the franchise, and it's hard to say, though, that the Flash might be the perfect opportunity to enact a soft reboot. Now, talking to the Scarlet Speatster, the trade, talking of the Scarlet Speetster, excuse me, the trade reveals that given that Miller has stayed out of trouble since since beginning mental health treatment in the summer, some executives are amenable to continuing with the actor

as the world's saving speedster. Many of you will be shocked to hear that, but the movie is said to be testing incredibly well. Gun and Saffron are said to have Warner Brothers Discovery full support with the decision they're making, including Patty Jenkins' Wonder Woman 3 story outline recently being vetoed. While that movie's status remains unclear, this report claims that the aforementioned three-year plan

won't include Wonder Woman at all. It's possible some DCEU actors and characters are being sidelined for this initial phase, though we can't help but think it will be confusing to have the same Wonder Woman eventually standing alongside a different Superman, the old Flash, and Jason Mamoa as Lobo rather than Aquaman. Until DC plans are revealed,

remain as confused about the DC's future as ever. Same. And I think that that's the first part of it. There's so much to discuss here. Yeah. So much. And let's start with the first part of it, and let's talk about the movie itself. So I talked about it yesterday on Big Thing.

And that says reports. We've heard already how good this movie is apparently, right? And now there's these reports that it's so good that they're even throwing out the the coveted, the Holy Grail of the Dark Night as comparison. Now I think that's horseshit. I don't think that that's necessarily the truth. I think there's always hype. But I do think that the movie, I've heard from somebody who has seen the movie,

who said it's incredible. It said it wasn't finished all the way when they saw it, but it said incredible. It said Michael Keaton is out of control. Keaton's going to be the one doing the press for this movie, by the way. Yeah. That's what you would do if you want to leave with this, because every other question is going to be about Ezra Miller's behavior. So, Corey, let's start with you on the movie gets pushed to June,

Muscietti directing this thing, and there's a lot of hype before. Are you buying the hype? Let's start there. Okay, so when you have a comic movie, the thing you say is Dark Night. It is Citizen Kane. It is the catchphrase. It is the thing you say. Whether or not it actually is as good as Dark Night or

to be seen because that's just such an easy hyperbole to throw out there. The executives in question, they're very vague about executives. This could be any number of people or like a person. I don't think James Gunn is willing to sacrifice what he's building to have this little bit of chaos involved in it, no matter how good the movie is. Because they need to end this universe completely if they're going to have any sort of... You're going right there. I'm going right there.

There's no way you can do that. No matter how good a movie is, if you want something clean, it doesn't make sense. So maybe if you want to keep Flash as an anomaly in the multiverse, maybe he can cameo, but you can't do this one flash. Like they said at the end of this article. Also, like, I love that there's calling him Lobo already. Already done with that. Winston, here's my biggest issue with this.

We're going to jump into this, right? My biggest issue is, let's say that these rumors or this report by variety is true. And that they say, you know what, this guy, that Ezra Miller has been going to therapy, has been taken care of themselves. So, the movie's good enough, it needs to lead into some other things, so we're going to keep them on as Flash. Now, let's say that's true.

That is, you are asking to throw a nuclear bomb into the fandom if you keep Ezra Miller and get rid of Galgadote and get rid of Henry Cavill. Henry Cavill, and the argument is, well, this movie could do really well. Acko man made a billion dollars. And Man of Steel, too, could have made an insane amount of money. But everybody wanted them back.

You got rid of Caval. you got like keeping Ezra Miller and getting rid of everyone else to that because Ezra Miller was the one we're like well they get rid of Eisen Miller it's not that big of a deal you know because it's like I don't know it's I thought Ezra Miller was really good in the Snyder cut that was the best performance that they've done so far right but not enough to make me go oh they'd better keep Ezra Miller it's like after seeing everything that Ezra Miller is done it's like cut your losses to keep Ezra Miller over cavil over good dope and and then just, well, yeah, but we're also going to bring him at his low boat.

You said it beforehand, and I want to get your thoughts on it. If you're going to reboot it, stick your balls in the water and reboot it. Reboot the whole thing. Especially knowing the one thing we kept talking about because this story was based off a flashpoint, you have your hard reset. You have it built in. This is your way out. And to act like Ezra Miller is like the greatest actor of all time,

is laughable. I don't think they're acting like that, though. I think it's because the movie's probably that good. Which is fine. And what makes you think that you can't go find another actor that can do that? That's my problem is it's, it looks like you're rewarding bad behavior. I'm glad that they're getting the help that they need.

But still. But that's wild. That is absolutely wild, especially when you have, what was that? I thought that came out of a coin. Not that short. The Java's agreed. The job was agreed with you.

They were totally agreeing with you. I thought, I was like, I was agreeing with you so enthusiastically. I was like, Ooudini, I was like, Oatini, help you. You literally have a situation where two of your stars of what is considered the Holy Trinity for D.C. Have never had an issue. Yeah. We're excellent at their roles and people wanted them back.

And you told them we're going completely different. Sorry, get out of here. But we're keeping us. We're going to keep Ezra, the one person who was in the news consistently. Yeah. Is it safe to say, I don't think this is true. I don't, I think these executives, I think this is to build hype for the film. I think it's, I would have been scared.

I see what you go. It's someone building hype for the film by saying things like Dark Night, by saying like, it's so good, we're going to keep Ezra. Like, it's to get the movie up. Because what was the first thing I said when the fifth charge came out on this show was, how are they going to market a film that's inevitably going to be canceled? say it's not canceled. Say it's going to get a sequel. Say it's going to still come out and they're doing just fine. Well, I think there's a lot of truth in that, but I think the other note is this. The other note is that what is everyone saying? Why am I going to support these movies with this DCU thing?

If the movies I'm going to see, it's like, they're just standalone movies and it doesn't really connect to anything to and you're waiting to reboot it. They're like, no, no, no, but this one does count. Right. And make them the golden child before press so they can do whatever press they're going to do. Right, because if you're sitting in that meeting and going, this movie's really good. It's like really good and we can get Keaton back and we can do all this stuff with Keaton. Let's keep them on or at least let's build the hype on it. Say that they're going to keep them.

It's all press, I think. And honestly, give Muscietti Superman now. Like, while the hype is high, have all of these announcements of how good the movie is and then you put Moosecetti on Superman. But why not build the hype and not let something like this get out? If you want to say that this is dark night good, if you want to, you know, Michael Keaton is phenomenal.

Focus on Michael Keaton. There is no reason who if that's the plan. I'll be like right over here if you can see it. Like if that's the plan is to hype all of this up. You know the one thing you could not let get out as like a rumor for your game plan to hype this? Is that Ezra might keep the role. Ezra's apparently in every frame of the film.

And apparently the film, like I have some friends that have seen it, too, they also agree that this is the best thing DC's done since, like, Dark Night. But they didn't compare it to Dark Night, but they say it's their favorite thing in 15 years. Now, but also it's not fair to put this in that. My God, has it been 15? Yeah, I don't like to think about it either, dude. Yeah, no, no.

It's 2023, bro. It is, 08 was Dark Night. It has been 15 years this year. Stay on Target. This July. Back to it, back, back to it. So, anyway, thank you. Batman Begins was two years before Dark Night.

The reason, Night can exist is off of the Batman, begin shoulders. That movie was the support system for Dark Night. There's no version of that Black Knight, uh, Black Knight. I was looking at you and I was letting me get racist. Uh, but there's no reason the Dark Night, uh, there's no reason the Dark Night can't do that moment. You see?

You see? I was waiting for you to call me out. That's what you want people to know after that. I was like, you're subscribed. I'm like, Wistis going to call me out and then he did it and then I did it. And now it's screwed twice over. That's it. Christian's gone. I'm to cancel first show in here.

So we've been talking about how you take a bad situation to make it worse. And we throw to the subscribe channel. You take this channel, go, huh? And you're both of them. Guys, so, so he goes, I'll see you on the black night. Oops, subscribe to the channel. I just been cast as the flash. I, uh, I, I, I just,

well, he's the black night. You just took everything out. Just take it out. Just take it all out. Welcome to the big thing. Throw some class, you, your mother F. Jesus. Oh, my God.

So, you, I don't even know where I was going on. Where you getting? Nice try. Nice try. So, hard reboot, bro. Hard night. Say it's like the dark night going. Oh, I don't think it's survivable to have anything,

have that high of praise come out. How did you, how did you do one of our favorite family guy gigs ever. It's like, so what's your, what is your, your future business plan in the next five years? Don't say doing your wife. Don't say doing your wife. Doing your, son. The problem was my brain leapt to you retaliating because that's usually your thing is I say something dumb and you call me out on it. So I tried to preemptively call you out on it and then I was just worse. So that was the, that was the comment from White Fool. Hey, uh, yep. So, uh, that's the only clip that's going to air. That's it. That's the, it's nice knowing you.

Oh my God. I needed that. Stay on target. Ezra Miller's PR team immediately. That's true. Ezra's like, thanks, boy. Seems like a good time to announce his last two.

Those are all of a sudden like, I'll threaten the KKK, but what the hell? It's not so bad. Let's try to get back into it. So, no, but the idea of it, though, if you look at what Warner Brothers really has to do, as we said, we don't envy their position.

right? Because they have this massive hit if they think. Yeah. That's coming on in June. I mean, they trust in it enough that's coming out in June. You've got a great director like Andy Michietti doing it. I just think it is a, but we haven't, this is what you and I talked about before we went on Airwinson. And that's, it's so hard to say if the choice is right or wrong without seeing the movie.

because even though everything in us is saying if it is this is the, it's the wrong choice. Because I think for fandom in general, you can't, you can't win this. Because, but I'm saying if it's, but if we all see it. And we go, oh, I really want to see where that goes next. Do we say that? Because, you know, you know what I mean? Like, if you're sitting there. But if Christian Bail did something and the dark night came out, would they give him

Dark Night Rises? Did he? Did he? He wouldn't end up the whole, that whole ramp was right. Oh, but yeah, that's not. That was the harmony. No, I know, I know, I know. But that was in between the Dark Night trilogy?

Yeah, it was right before the third one came out. Yes, El-Maconne. That's the difference. It was coming to an end. So, like, what are you going to do? No, no, no, no. But there wasn't then. I'm not, first of all.

No, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying the scandal around it. No, no, no, but I'm saying the timing was this is coming to an end. He did that. You're not going to throw out the end of the trilogy. Of course. Of course. No, no, no, no, I know.

I was just saying there was scandal. But I'm saying like the scope, not even, not even, not even. Dad, but the scope of, there's a lot of it's just this phone is connected. The Bluetooth connected. Oh, I see. And I have turned off the sound, but the sound said F you. It sounded like. That's hilarious.

The dark night. That's amazing. The timing on that was really good. Good comedic timing, someone calling. Yeah, it was right, as we were talking about Dark Night Rises. Do you think there's anything that you would be able to hear? hear anyone in PR say that would make you feel comfortable with Ezra doing more of the movies. See, here's the thing.

As far as any sort of rebounding and recovery and truly changing, if I remember correctly, Ezra went to seek help. It's been four months. None of that happens overnight. I look back at Robert Downey Jr. And everything that he went through and the fact, years. because the big thing is, it's this, no pun intended, the big thing is when you look at like New Year's resolutions, for example,

everybody's in the gym that first month. Yeah, it's whether you're there in March. Are you there in March? Are you there in September? Are you there in December? Next January, are you adding to it? Are you there so you don't get a slap on the wrist and keep your millions of dollars? Yeah, why are you at the gym?

Right. And that's my point with this. If we go down the line and we see, actual change out of Ezra Miller. In years. That's a different conversation. Right. Because I'm with you.

More so than ever on that. Because like if you, if I still think the choice should be made, we got to reboot it. Thank you, Asra Ferri. It's a great movie piece. And then guess what? Three years from now really has cleaned up the rack. I mean, wow. Wow.

We got a new movie that we want to work on you with. Come on in. Let's have some meeting. Also, it's a multiversal saga, so it could even be the same character in three years. Audiences understand now. If you can have these conversations now, then reboot the universe. I can't imagine a world where they don't have a Wonder Woman. That was also an interesting part of that article.

But if you do have a Flash, I don't see a world where you can't also have them come back as Flash in five years. I also love the character of the Flash, but let's again be honest here. The Holy Trilogy of DC is Superman W. Wonder Woman Batman. And I can't see the lead female character in a universe not being a spotlight. Who do you put in her place? People love Galgadoote. They love Galgadoot and they love the character of Wonder Woman.

What is, yeah, it's, I would say this. I even though I was pretty bummed when they got rid of Cavill, I stood back and I said, I get it, I get it. When Patty Jenkins was left, I said, that kind of stinks. She put a lot of, I didn't love the second one, but she put a lot hard on that first one. She should have had an opportunity to throw one. But I get it when they said that Mamoa might be playing Lobo instead. I said, it's made a billion dollars, but I get it.

I don't get this. I don't get this. If you're going to do all of that that I just mentioned and I don't understand that. You are also giving so much ammunition to the trolls and the Snyder cut people and everybody that already doesn't F with what Saffron and Gunner doing. If there is any validity to this, you are, you just handed them a bazooka. Yeah, you're pooping in the living room and going, hey, tech, I guess I'll have to clean this up later.

Yeah, and it's not, it's not good to have, it has to be clean. Otherwise, it doesn't work. And what they have the opportunity to do, and how I would move flash to the end is have that clean slate and start over. That's the only way people are going to rationalize Godot leaving. The only way people are going to rationalize Caval leaving. Like the article, it's just, it's really interesting and all over the place to be like, executive said, blah, blah, blah.

It's just, we will know this month, right? Like, it's so soon. It's very soon. And here's the other, I think, problem that comes to it. I think I don't know enough about it. I remember reading something. Maybe you guys know. But I had heard that Gunn and Miller were fairly close before all of this.

Like, they were friendly at least. So that also plays a problem. If it's like, well, what, you weren't friendly with, with Cavill. So he's gone, but you were friendly with Momoa. So now he's coming back as Lobo. It's like you take care of your friends or like, what are you doing here? And I don't know what the case is. I do know that James Gunn, and I think this is very similar to like Adam Sandler,

he does take care of his friends, right? He absolutely, which is great. He does it. But this is a tougher situation when you're running the whole show. When you're directing movies and things too, that's one thing. You put your buddies in. I know that he's also, he's done a lot for friends. He's done a lot for friends, whether it's cameos and movies and things,

and I think it's very admirable. when it comes to things like this, this to me would be a massive mistake. Again, but I haven't seen the movie. That's the problem. I haven't seen the movie. And we're not going to see the movie till June, but we're going to know this month with the plaintiffs.

That's what's tricky is. We're going to know in the next three weeks. What's going on with the universe for the next three years? We won't know about this movie till June. So they're in a tricky spot of having to market a film that's coming out in six months, which we've already got a trailer for Spider-Verse. We've already got a trailer for Barbie.

This is coming. No, that's what I'm saying is Barbie is July. Yeah. Oppenheim is July. Those movies are seven months away. The way the marketing thing works now, the machine needs to be fed for eight months. So what I'm saying is you're marketing a film

about to come out sooner than those films while dealing with this new universe starting. I don't envy anyone in that position. I wonder, I genuinely wonder, based off of how much they've said how good this movie is, I wonder, I know you're saying that they're trying to hype this up as much as they can.

If even that decision of Ezra might stay, if that's like a Zazlov like pushing, make money at all cost, if this is this good, I don't care what you're saying, he's not going, or they're not going. If that's the one thing he's demanding. If that's the one thing, it's like, look, Man is still didn't do it. I know there's talks of it, but Manist still didn't do it and you've pitched as a Superman.

Get rid of Henry. Galgado did a great job in the first Wonder Woman, but the second one didn't really slap. Occamand bid a billion, let's keep him, but he wants to be Lobo. But he wants to be lobo, but then also just how that's, I don't think Zazloff's going to have a conversation. No, he's not. But that's his way of keeping him in house, I'm saying.

Yeah, I know. We also don't know if Aquaman 2 is Wonder Woman 2. But I see where you're going with this. But if Zazloff was going to do that, then he would, I would assume, do the same with Mamoa. Because if it's about money. That's a billion. That's a billion dollars that it's made so far.

That it's just like why, just because what you're basically saying is that, well, yeah, I don't know. James and Peter, I know that you think that we should get rid of them, but it's going to make a lot of money. If I was him, I go, and you should also keep Mamoa because that movie made a billion. million dollars. So we don't know that Mamoa is getting axed by the way too. We still have

we haven't as often heard that either. But it may have in the same way that we've seen some of these decisions with HBO Max and all this other stuff, it may have been a situation of this is testing so high, I don't care what happens. Ezra stays. And it's fresher. I mean, that's under his tenure, which is different.

And it's maybe also due to the fact that Zazlov was pretty instrumental in making sure that Ezra Miller got help and putting that together that it's like, well, I set this whole deal up to make sure that Miller was... And maybe the Cavill thing became personal

because of, you know, the Black Adam not doing as well as they wanted and then Rock wanting to like be in that position of power. Like maybe it was one... Like maybe Cavill got screwed by circumstance as well. That's actually a decent segue. You know what I mean? Yeah, well, I got you.

I got you and I got into the Black Adam story. All right, that's what you want to do. You want to go... Yeah, I mean, obviously, I got a bias toward. one that's going to have to come later. But let's do this one. But let's do that while we're here. So as we mentioned up Tom, we had been saying it on this show for a little bit

that we had, we were, when they were looking at someone to take over D.C., the because they thought, yeah, because they thought that Dwayne Johnson, you know, that he was going to do Black Adam. He was making this big push. I had said, Coy had said, Winston had said

that maybe he's making a move to actually run D.C. And I can't even tell you the amount of comments that was like, no, no, no, no, he's not trying to do. He just wants to be produced. He's one of the hell about, no, there's a different report out there. Jack. And I'll tell you, I'll tell you, here's the report.

Black Adams stars Dwayne Johnson, excuse me, star Dwayne Johnson reportedly made a play to take charge of D.C. And here's where it went wrong. It seems that Dwayne Johnson's idea of the hierarchy of power changing in the D.C. universe was for him to be in charge. But a new report details how the Black Adam star ultimately ran afoul of Warner Brothers. All right, here comes the T. as DC studios bosses James Gunn and Peter Saffron gear up to reveal their plan for the new DCEU Variety

Variety really is like the spotlight of on the DC story. Variety has shared new details about Black Adam Star, Dwayne Johnson's failed bid for control over the DC EU. Shortly after the Warner Brothers Discovery merger wrapped up back in April, the Rock Approach CEO David Zazzol for the vision for the DC, excuse me, DC Universe revolving around. Guess who? Black Adam. Ted's Adams franchise would have expanded while we have finally gotten a man of steel

sequel with Endgame being a Superman versus Black Adam showdown. Johnson's ex-brother-in-law Hiram Garcia and producer Bo Flynn were part of this brain trust looking to spearhead a new DC universe, but the former pro-wresters actions didn't go down well. Going around former DC films boss, Walter Hermata, ruffled a lot of feathers, though that's also how Johnson managed to bring Henry Cabell back as Superman. New Warner Brothers Pictures co-heads Michael DeLucah and Pam Abdi approved that despite prior plans in 2018 to find a new actor to play The Man of Tomorrow. Black Adam was later released to negative reviews and 391 million worldwide box office hall of a budget of over 235. This hurt Johnson's already worsening a relationship with the studio

after he had pushed for producing credit on DC League of Super Pets only to do little to promote it. Believe it or not, another issue was the Rock's insisting that a tequila bar featuring his brand be part of Black Adam's New York premiere despite the movie being PG-13. His demands increased and the returns just weren't there. One insider tells the trade. Johnson said the hierarchy of power in the DC universe would change with Black Adam and seem to take great delight in taking credit for Campbell's return while fielding questions about possibly taking charge of DC as he promoted the movie. Hollywood isn't WWE though and moves that benefited his wrestling career. clearly didn't fly in the movie business. Now his time as Black Adam has reached his end,

has Gunn and Saffron plot a new feature for this shared world that won't include the Rock or Cavill's Man of Tomorrow. I thought that that wasn't the case. I thought they had said, well, I mean, again, who knows at this point, what's true and what's not? But I remember when they said that the Rock had tweeted out something along the lines that Black Adam, too, wasn't going to happen,

but they were still talking to Gunn. He was another one that, I guess, with Ezra Miller that could potentially stay on. But again, it's a who knows. But, Corey, actually, let me start with you here on this one. So this is something we were talking about a big thing yesterday.

Dwayne Johnson is one of the more beloved kind of movie stars. He was one of the most popular wrestlers of all time. Most people when you talk about the Rock, they speak very highly of it. Work ethic, all this. This is a small scratch on his legacy because I think that what he's done, and right now people go, there's a major scratch.

Right now because he's in the thick of it. It's a storm. It might be his biggest one. It's absolutely his biggest one. There's no doubt about it. But when you see things like this, and what people also don't realize on what's not fair a lot of the times,

when they say, well, he was asking for the tequila bar. He was asking for this. And it might be true. He also has lawyers. He also has agents. They may have been doing that. I've been on that side of it where people are going, you know,

in a negotiation, they're going, well, we should ask for this. We should ask for that. I'm like, I don't know. It's the worst. It's the worst. Especially because depending on what your overall aim is, the reason why you hire those agents, those managers,

is to do the dirty work so you don't have to. Right. And I remember a similar contract negotiation for something I was up for where my agent was like, we should go for this. My manager's like, no, we're going for this, this, this, this. And I'm like, I'm sitting back here and I'm like, I trust y'all because you do this for a living. But that seems aggressive.

Right. And so I wouldn't be surprised if maybe you're right about that, if that wasn't Dwayne doing it, the only thing I think that's interesting is, while he is, as beloved as he is, he also is that alpha where we've seen that kind of behavior from him. 100%. He's also got the kind of poll that if they said, hey, we should ask for this. He's like, no. And like, forget it. We won't ask for that then.

So that's the difference, though, where. And he wants to build up his company. Right. And he wants to do that. But it's like, that's such a small thing that. The overall thing, though, is that he made this push for D.C. And he went, he really put all of his chips in and he lost. Yeah.

And it was on Blackout. Black Adam makes a billion dollars. He's got a different argument to make. We said this a long time ago. Well, we were watching while you were reading it, which was wild. So the Black Adam box office is officially over. It hit the same amount or just slightly below, I think. We're slightly under 2011's Green Lantern.

It did worse than Green Lantern. And that was 2011 money. That means it did. Because tickets are more now, inflation, everything. The dollar is less. So that's substantial if it did less than that. That's revered regarded as the... Do you think this hurts the Rock's legacy at all?

It is, I think it's like anybody else's legacy. Is it going to erase everything that the Rock has done and all the success? Absolutely not. But when you look at somebody's overall career life and you go, what was the one thing they didn't handle very well? I think this will be the only thing that we think of that the Rock did not handle very well. I think this is Jordan playing baseball. I think this is like, you know, we still see Jordan is the greatest.

I mean, I think he was the greatest basketball player of all time, but I remember him playing baseball. I think that the rock is an incredible entrepreneur and an incredible businessman and an incredible human. Like, I like The Rock, the Man, but I think that he was doing really well in so many different ways. There had to be a moment where he fell. It was just he's at such a giant place.

When you fall, it's that big. Like, giants fall big. So he was doing ballers and producing it and playing a character like he did in ballers. Of course he's going to want to run a business like this. Of course he thinks that he could be the first actor that can become like the guy that does this. Because everything in his life had led to a,

lot of yeses because he's worked his butt off from seven bucks to where he is and the man's ambitious so why would you not shoot for that like i completely see why he did it it's just you're gonna fail huge when every shot you take is huge yeah it's just but unfortunately the shot i think the way that he went about taking some of these shots were probably not handled the best i think he like they even described it as w wm mentality i don't think it's w every type of business combined isn't the movie business i think it's part wbrewe it's part producing part all these things he knows it's the way that he's done something even one of the main things that you give him credit for is and we've always, I always brought it up and I always remember

even when, when Roka went on, we sent him for a Collider to, I think it was the first Jumangi. And I was like, you know, one of the things that really get into with him is that he works so much and he has this, he, you can't imagine how much he works, not just because he's healthy, but like he's able to, how does he do it? And I said, the reason why he, you might want to ask him is because the way that wrestling works, it's like a circus and they're on the road all the time and they're moving. You have to train yourself. You can. they'd go on one path where you can go into a dark spot or you can find a way to maneuver that lifestyle and he clearly did that.

Did he implement that with movies? And he did. And I think that he does take a lot of the stuff that made him successful and sometimes because there's a lot of backdoor politics and wrestling. There's a lot. Like this whole thing that he did when he went around Hamada's back and everything. There's a lot of stuff. Well, you know what?

If I can't get it done with this guy, I'm going to the guy himself. And there are certain politics that are different. I think that's what they're saying as far as he may have made have gone thinking because he's also his business partner, Brian Goitz is also a head writer, was the head writer at W.D.B. Fair, a long time guy. I worked with an awesome guy. And, but they both come from that world. He was, he was Vince's like right-hand man, Brian. Also producing and having power in TV and film is different than show running an entire empire. And like, you know, we're looking at what James Guns going through versus what Kevin Feigey goes through.

These are different jobs. So maybe if it had gone differently, like we said, a billion dollars to be a different conversation. But what worries me is the rock. is very, very good at succeeding. I'm worried that this is such a big dent. Like, I hope he takes it well as a man, like a person. I'm not worried about that as much. I'll say, I'm worried about the guy. See, like, the, like, Dwayne himself, because he's hit so many things.

I feel he's this guy. He's been like a little sad in his Instagram, but I've never seen him like that. Yeah, I know. It's huge. Because he took a loss. Yeah. And I think, but he's, because he's an athlete. You know, and it's also, he's one of these guys.

He's like, when you, when you go for the big game, he went for the championship and he lost. 15 years of this territory. That's a long time. But he's kind of go like this. But the question is, does it hurt his next film? That's the question. Well, so there's two things. I think one, just from listening to a lot of his story and stuff like that.

I don't know if you guys watch his show Young Rock. I watched like the first like season and it. It's like pretty good show. But talking about how the whole beginning of his life was L's on L's on Hells. It was, you know, breaking his leg in college. And then failing as an NFL player and eventually getting to the, this space. It took a lot of L's so he didn't win in WWE when he first got there

either. He didn't do that either. His first movie they all hated it. They weren't bangers. Rocky Maya Villa is how he debuted because they brought him out as this baby face and he came out and they started singing Rocky sucks. And like and it destroyed him and they gave him the kind of championship and all this stuff and it lost all that weight for Southland Tales

to try to be like seen as a normal actor not a giant guy and then Southland Tales did what it did. As much as I enjoyed Richard Kelly's work. It wasn't for everybody. So he's dealt with Ells before but you're right. He's been on an unprecedented run of nothing but W since that the whole, you know, I feel like, and correct me from wrong here, he really turned that corner when the rivalry between him and Stone Cold started.

From that point forward, he became Rocky, eventually the people's champ, eventually goes on to start doing movies. He was over already. He was already over with the fans because he had a really good run with the nation. And he had a, but as a villain, right? And they really liked him as the stuff that he said, because he started to be able to do what the rock does, using his personality, using his humor,

using that charisma as a bad guy. But if you're a good enough heel and you're a likable heel, then you become a really likable baby face. And it was the rivalry that he had with like mankind and these other things that he had that really started to build them up. He had good matches with Triple H. But then he had, but it was the rivalry with Stone Cold that had this kind of overall just massive,

everybody would watch. It's like casual people watch it. And it sold WrestleMania matches. And they had legendary WrestleMania matches, is the WrestleMania 15, WrestleMania 17, all these different matches, but then his big one,

again, where he was, he was already there, but it even catapulted him even higher is when he fought Hulk Hogan, because there was like two different eras, two eras clashing, and it was a major match.

But it's, it's the idea of that, because you would even then look at him then coming into movies. He was in blockbusters or, like, giant family films, but those were also flops. Something, like,

like, that Disney deal. Right, so like he comes into the mummy returns, and that's a major blockbuster, but the one thing people are, like churning on is the fact that like the CGI for him as a scorpion game was trash and then the scorpion king comes out and that's not good and then the tooth fairy comes out and that's not good right but then eventually hits a stride

where all of a sudden you get walking tall walking tall so good you you know I'm jumping ahead now just because like not everything's coming to mind but then all of a sudden he's a part of the fast franchise vitalizes the whole franchise well they were calling they were calling them franchise Viagra for a little bit. Right. So if he's franchise Viagra for so long and he's leading all these things, I just worry about the human being that takes so many wins. And I'm sure he's survived losses, but you're on a run like, say, Connor McGregor.

Connor had to lose a lot in private, but once he was in public, UFC, he had that incredible run. Sure. Once he lost to Khabi, that man never was the same. Ronda Rousey. Ronda Rousey's another great example. Once he lost a Kabeb, even though he beat Cowboy, when he lost again, it's, his Instagram is sad.

Like he's got a, it's the fighter spirit. And I get it. The only thing that I will say about that stuff that's a little different, I know that that is all performing in one way or another, straight fights have a very different mentality on your ego. Sure, sure. Yeah, I'm not denying that. And I would, because the other L in this immediate era you might think about for the Rock

is what's been going on with the XFL. And that wasn't his fault. That would the pandemic ruined all those plans that they had for that. And whether or not it's still coming back, there were talks that it was. But who knows. But a lot of times when you take an L to this scale, it changes you as a person. So I'm just worried fundamentally. But every time he has, though, and this is where I give him credit,

and I think he'll be fine, and which is why I think this will be maybe the biggest tarnish, but it will not tarnish his legacy, is every time that happens, the rock takes it and shriending evolves. And I think this is a situation. You look at the XFL, you look at trying to go with D.C. This is an idea now of instead of him being the performer of being the head honcho, and it failed twice, I think now we see a situation the next time this conversation, the next time this comes up that he evolves

and it actually works the way he wants. And that's the hope. I just, I mean, much like Connor McGregor, I just hope dude's good. I'm just worried about the human. Here's the thing, though, too. When they love you, they love you, when they don't, they don't. And this is the other thing. When they, if he puts out his next movie and it does well, no one will be talking about this again. However, if it does bad, and they're going to lump it in. It's just how it works.

But all right, so one of those things. Something already filmed or his next decision is huge. It's true. But you said he's been, a little down. Yeah. I think that he needs some athletic greens to pipe himself back up. I think that'll be, I think that'll help him out a lot. I think it's, it's absolutely something that has helped me out. It's helped my quality of life in general. And I know that for everybody who's been here taking it, they've loved it. And I know that you guys have been out there taking. It's really great because our next partner is athletic greens. And I take AG1 by athletic greens. I take it

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Oh, man. How about, you know, it's, you want to stay there? I don't want to say. Go ahead. Because I love me some Dave Batista. So apparently Dave Batista was recently being interviewed. I didn't read the whole story quite yet. But there was some talks that he's talking about

what he wants to do with his career because obviously Drax is coming to an end. He was just in Glass Onion. Yep. He did, what, Army of the Dead, you know, a little while ago. But there are talks in a recent interview. He was saying that he wants to be a respected actor instead of the next rock,

which, Holy God that if you want to talk about a shot across the bow That is That is something else man Look Before we even get into the story I mean

The one thing I will say The Rock is damn sure a performer But I've never looked at any of the performances The Rock didn't go Man that's gonna win an Oscar one Right you know what I'm saying So I am very curious about this story And specifically what got said

All right well let's get into the story itself Dave Batista who would We talked about this little bit on Big Thing yesterday. The part that we covered was that he pretty much confirmed that no more DRAX. And I think that everybody said no more DRAX, no more Guardians. I mean, a lot of, we already heard from Zoe, Saldana, who said, it's over. And I think once Gunn left, they're very loyal to him. And Batista is very loyal to Gun.

But this is the other thing. So Guardians of the Galaxy Star Dave Batista found a great deal of success in the WWE. but despite becoming one of the company's biggest stars, the time eventually came for time for him to leave. Why? Well, despite being one of the company's top superstars, the man formerly known as Batista didn't believe he was being treated fairly. John Sina and I were both headlining shows.

Batista recalled an interview with GQ. I was the face of Smackdown. He was the face of Raw, but he was being used in WWE films and television commercials and magazines, and I was just headlining the shows. In fact, there was one point where he was off making a film, and I was headlining both sets of shows and the pay-per-views,

It was just a feeling of we're not getting equal opportunities here. So off to Hollywood, he went after choosing to leave WWE in 2010 following a series of failed negotiations. Admittingly, that acting wasn't the plan early on in his career, breaking into the mainstream became his goal, became his goal. But it didn't come easy. After Batista burned through the money he'd made in WWE, his house was foreclosed on, he sold his cars and bikes, and he said he lost everything. I had to start all over, he said, before realizing that directed DVD movies beckoned. At first anyway, before I left WWE, Stone Cold Steve Austin pulled me aside and said, you're going to get offers from horrible scripts.

The money will be tempting. Don't get caught into that trap. After starring in The Man with the Iron Fiss and Riddick, Batista's big break came when he was cast as Drax and Marvel Studios Gardens of the Galaxy. I had to pull over because I was crying so hard. He says of learning he'd landed the role after months of auditions and rumors. Bigger stars had beaten him to it. I turned right back around and walked into my house, shaking to tell my wife I had gotten the role,

and we were both staying in there freaking out. While superstardom soon followed, Batista is now looking to move on from playing the Marvel hero because he wants to be remembered as more than just a comic book character. With that in mind, don't expect the Army of the Dead and knock at the Cabin Star to embark on a career that will see him tackle the same string of action roles as Dwayne the Rock Johnson.

I never wanted to be the next rock. He says, I just want to be a good effing actor, respected actor. I know what he's trying to say here. Clearly, Batista doesn't believe Johnson is either one of those things. That's, come on, comic book movie. Clearly, Batista doesn't be. believe Johnson is either one of those things, though this isn't the first time he takes

some shots of this fellow pro wrestler. I don't know. There's a lot there. I think that what he's saying is he just never, and he probably could have chosen his words better. I think that he's basically just saying, I want to actually be a dramatic actor. I want to go into those types of roles and the Rock's doing what he's doing. And he should have said as much.

He said like the Rock's doing his thing and he's gone down that action road. That's not the path I want to go. And that, and that now hearing it in context, which is why. reading the story is just more important. It's very clear he's like, like he said, I don't want to be like the comic book actor or the action actor. It doesn't mean that he doesn't want to do action. But I'm sure what essentially what he's getting at is he's like,

if I'm going to do all that, I'm trying to be like Liam Neeson type. And like whenever you see an interview or if you've interviewed, have you talked to the Batista before? I know you were. I didn't know if you worked for the same. No, he was after my time. He's like so fascinating because he's so fascinating because he's so focused and he really wants to like he's one of the more engaging conversations because he's so

invested in the world and movie stars often like they're doing sound bites and they're getting out there he wants to dive in and he wants to focus he's got the energy like like matt smith has that thing like movie star or actor and usually you can put someone in a category i agree that he's an actor because he's so invested in the craft he's also so invested in humanity and there is a different flavor of work so i don't see this as as as much of a shot to the rock as they wanted to be that's better headline as it is like the rock is like the rock is is a movie star and there's nothing wrong with that and he wants to be an actor. I will say though this and this is another conversation we can throw it here.

Out of the actors that have, I mean, there's a bunch of wrestlers who have done it. From Hulk Hogan or Rottie Piper to so many different people there's, but there's only three that, unless I'm forgetting somebody, there's only three that have made it into mainstream and that are actually movie stars. They're all active right now. John Sina, Batista, and the Rock. Those are the three. There are a lot of other actors that have done. I mean, Andre the Giant was in, was in Princess Bride, and he was great,

and he was in a couple other movies too. Kevin Nash, Hulk H., they're all been in stuff, right? But those are the ones that are really kind of carried. I mean, Sasha Banks or Mercedes has been, was great in the Mandalorian, but she still got such. Wasn't a wrestler Sabretooth and in, in LaTrennerty? He passed away. Oh, he passed away.

The wrestler in, I think it was the wrestler. Was it? Tyler Maine or something like that. I think that was in the first X-Men. Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he passed away. Okay, but he was a wrestler, maybe wrong. Yes, yes, but not like a major one, but I mean, I should say like not like as big as these guys.

So the question posed is this. Out of the three, where would you rank him as far as acting ability? Not as far as Star power. There's no, the rock's the biggest. Star power of the rock is easily. There's no chance. If you're putting just straight acting ability, it's a tough question. It is a tough question.

And I think what is going to put a baby bit of bias because I think Sina finally had his coming out party last year, I think it probably goes Sina Batista Rock. I think I'm actually going to go Batista because of Blade Runner. His five minutes in Blade Runner is so captivating and it's so different. Like I've seen,

I think even with Sena's Peacemaker, which is incredible, and I finally got to see the range. I feel like I've seen more years of range with Batista, which gives me a little bit more, like, a perspective. But Sina and Peacemaker put him

on par with Batista this year. I've got the unpopular opinion where I think it's the rock because I've seen faster. I've seen walking tall, and these other things. I think that he chooses, I think you guys are absolutely right, that he chooses to do these more kind of bigger moneymaker things, but I think that he's got that kind of work. I think there were if he wanted to, he can really dive in.

I don't disagree with that. But Batista right now, I think has... You've seen more of it from Batista. I think he's got the most potential. I still think that there's something, like, people love what he did in Knives Out and Glass Hunting, and I thought he was good in it, for sure. There was sometimes it was okay. Sina won me over with peacemaker and the suicide squad. There's been time, and train wreck, he was good, but there's been time. Like, Bumblebee, I thought he was terrible. Also, like, his entire, like, straight to DVD career is rough.

That's what I mean. So, like, that's, but he's, but he was phenomenal in peacemaker. I mean, like, not just the comedic stuff, dramatic and other things, too. But I just, for some reason, I just think that if you put the, if the three of them were all in an acting class together, and you're going to, and you ask them to do a bunch of stuff, where are you going to go by the end of it?

You're going to say, I don't know, it looked like Duane Johnson was the one who was really kind of dove into and fired up. There's a reason why he was the peak out of the three of those guys in wrestling. He was the peak guy in there, too. See, I see Batista as doing really well with different directors like Dinian Blade Runner

and Ryan Johnson. I agree with this. Whereas maybe it's only James Gunn, Sina. Because I've seen Sena do really well with James Gunn. I think he's the third tier. I think he's the third tier now. Do you know what I mean? No, no, you guys are right.

And I would make an adjustment. I would say Batista, it's going to, I'm literally, that you guys have convinced me, but I'm going to, I'm going to go Batista rock, Sina. Yeah. I mean, again, I'm so curious for you guys out there.

Because Payne and Gain really showed the Rocksrange and, like, walking tall. And he's so good in Pan and Gain. There's a lot. There's a lot. Listen. So if you guys out there, we had this conversation briefly on Big Thing yesterday and we had it again here today. So you guys, put it out there, rank those three as far as acting ability, not Star Power. I think we all know the answer.

All right. Before we move on to another topic, I want to tell you how about this topic? Boom. That's right. Our friends over at Boom. They are back. We are very excited for this segment to be sponsored by Boom. And they got a new comic out, guys.

Mosley. That's right. That's right. We're going to talk about this right now. It's out this week from Boom Studios. It's the start of a brand new series. It's from author Rob Guillory, the iconic artist on Chu and artist Sam Lottfi on of Harley Quinn. It's the epic sci-fi.

I love Boom sci-fi stuff, man. They really dive into the sci-fi stuff. I love it. And it's a mini-series, and it follows Marvin Mosley, who's a jazz. who is fed up with the state of the world and how technology and artificial intelligence now control basically every aspect of human life. And this is happening more and more so. Well, maybe it's time now for Mosey to finally push back on those two big to fail tech

gods in the form of an encounter as a higher power and a holy hammer that's just begging to be used. Now, what's really cool about this series, it blends satire, it has action, it's got a lot of crazy visuals, and it's going to absolutely be one of the year's most unique sci-fi stories. So let's start with you, Winston. You got a chance. You were raving about him and you texted

and you're like, nobody's write me back. No, because essentially what I was saying is this story feels like if steel, not steel as in shack, I mean steel is just the character steel. What, irons. If you took steel and fused them with Ghost Rider and then took them and put them in the matrix.

This story is absolutely incredible. A story like it said about technology and AI going too far and everything like that and a dude that's had enough. And it is, again, we just read the first book. Mind blown. I was automatically hooked and I was like, okay, smash them. Dog, let's go. You know what's crazy about this whole thing too is that fact that we've gotten lucky.

Because a lot of times, and you can believe us or not, it's fine with me, But a lot of times when if you're like, okay, well, a comic book company wants to come in and sponsor a segment, you're like, okay, let's see how you go. There's going to be some hits. There's going to be some misses for sure. We have gotten lucky where every single thing so far has been like, because even stuff like for me, Power Rangers was after my time. But that stuff with the Power Rangers and TMNT and then they go ahead and spin it on your head and give you something like this. And just a lot of the different, and then it can go into horror and they go into thriller. We've talked about what they've done that has been so smart is this changing and the way that they really play into genre.

They almost play like a movie studio. Yeah. They really do. There's a reason they're so tied into the zeitgeist of pop culture beyond comic books because they know not only how to hire the best comic writers and artists, which they consistently do, but they know the stories that are cinematic and that will translate to people that don't read every single comic book. Like the reason, boom, I hosted full disclosure. I hosted their Hall H panel at Comic Con. There's a reason not only were they the first ever comic book on that stage because they're so plugged into pop culture,

but there's also a reason that they knew of me because I'd been yelling about them long before any of this. So it is a company that I was saying they're the most consistent, like, of any of the publishers right now. And then they make a book like this, which is the book Chew was one of the best indie books of, I'd say, the early 2000s. and it is so captivating and weird. And then the Harley Quinn title was like,

a thing that rejuvenated the character, rejuvenated the character. So for them to be like, oh, let's put those two people together, tell your own original stories, we're going to give you the freedom to do that. That's why they're thriving. They're trusting in their creators

while also knowing the pulse of what is popular. Like, you texted within half an hour of that email and like, I read it this morning and was like, I know it makes sense. So like the immediacy of the hype is because of the consistency in the style. I think the other thing that really got me is at the very end of the book,

and I know, you know, authors on comic books do this a decent amount of time, but Rob's, he wrote like a little insert at the end of, like, thanking the audience for picking up the book, being really sincere of like, this is how we keep the lights on. And, you know, I woke up and I thought to myself, like, you know, these gadgets and the rate that they're going is getting out of control. And so this is just a very personal story that I wanted to tell. Like, I built this world out with, you know, with the team.

And I was like, I respect it, dude. I genuinely do. You took the time to thank the fans like that, which is amazing. But then, as you will see when you read it, and you should all read it, this is the reason why you love Way of the Water so much. This is a thousand percent of story about a family man and how the world affecting you is going to change you based on how it's affecting your kids. Right. This whole thing for him is he.

He went into it, he went into a program, the main character Mosley, because he wanted to do something for his daughter. And it did not go the way he wanted and it shaped his life vision. And it is so interesting to see that, that I was instantly gripped. I'm not a dad, but like I was just like, this is that family story that gets to the core stuff that makes you hooked and you want to see where it goes. So once again, everybody. So, Corey, I know also before we move on from the same, is there anything in general that you've got for us this week?

Yeah, I actually was just checking that because I want to make sure. I got my, I got my, I got my, with letter of ratings and all these comics. I wanted to make sure the people knew that Ridler Year 1, number two, was out this week. Ridler Year 1 is actually Paul Dano writing his origin as an actor.

So he came up with an entire origin for his riddler from the series that he developed for the Batman. So he is writing a comic book and it's beautifully illustrated. It's got a great pace and tone. It's a neo-noir, and it's literally only an issue too. I think it's going to be four issues, maybe five, very accessible,

and a very dark-telling, of his Ridler's origin, highly recommend it. All right. So once again, we thank Boom Studios for sponsoring this one. And make sure you check out Mosley. All right, we'll close out. I got to do my one. I got to do my one.

You got your one. Because I got wrapped into the other one by default. I didn't pick mine. This will be the last one of the day. We're going to leave someone on the table. What do you got? I got Hugh Jackman talking Deadpool 3. It was so hard not to lead with this, but we got DC heavy.

I am so excited to not only see Deadpool 3. And I tweeted this morning because I was so excited. We're about to see a year of press where Hugh Jackman's charm is going to meet with Ryan Reynolds Sardonic Witt while mixed with the power of the marketing prowess that is maximum effort. We're about to see some of the best marketing

for movies of all time. We might have just gotten the title for the film, maybe, by way of a video discussing an Oscar campaign for a musical. Like the genius of the way this is all going to unfold. There's going to be so much layers and internet goodness. but I'll let you take it away. I'm so excited. No, it's cool. So let's see. This is, again, comic book movie.

In a video poking fun at Ryan Reynolds' first performance in Apple TV, spirited. Hugh Jackman appears to... Great movie, by the way. You know, we started it. Didn't finish. Hugh Jackman appears to reveal Deadpool 3's title, leading to a possible war of words with his co-star. Check it out. So ever since that Deadpool test footage leaked online during 2014,

San Diego Comic-Con, it's been clear that Ryan Reynolds is really great at marketing. That's become evident from the way he's promoted the many brands he's part of, though it extends to his Hollywood work as well, the news that Hugh Jackman will return in Deadpool 3, broken in the most unique way possible. Now, as he and Reynolds gear up to start shooting the Marvel Studios' sequel, Jackman has dropped the video pleading with Academy Voters

not to nominate his co-star for Best Original Song at the Oscars. That's for the Oscars work, and Apple TV spirited, of course. But what's the Wolverine's actor's issue here? Jackman says, it would make the next year of my life insufferable, he explains in the video below. I mean, I have to spend a year with him shooting Wolverine and Deadpool. Yes, it appears Jackman just dropped Deadpool 3's official title. Reynolds waste no time in responding, questioning the name, but seemingly confirming this was no mere mistake on Jackman's part,

giving how Deadpool 2 was referred to as the untitled Deadpool sequel. We can definitely see this movie getting two conflicting titles. Wolverine and Deadpool and Wolverine, once the marketing campaign. pain ramps up. For now, this is a name for the movie that is hard to find fault with. Wolverine getting top billed over the murk with the mouth kind of makes sense and is sure to be something Wade Wilson takes issue with while breaking the fourth wall. Deadpool 3 or Wolverine and Deadpool is currently said to be released in theaters on November 8th. Here's the actual audio from Jackman. Hey, everybody. It's 2023 and I really, really wanted to send out a positive message

at the beginning of the year, but recent events have made that impossible. Don't you be wrong. I loved it spirited. It's great movie. We had a blast, the entire family watched it. I love Will, I love Octavia. Obviously, I did The Greatest Showman with Benj and Justin. They're incredible and I loved their music. And Good Afternoon, by the way, the song Good Afternoon, I laughed the entire way through. It is absolutely brilliant. However, I just heard the Academy have shortlisted Good Afternoon in the Best Song category.

Now, Ryan Reynolds getting a nomination in the best song category would make the next year of my life insufferable. It would, I mean I have to spend a year with him shooting Wolverine in Deadpool and it, trust me, it would be impossible. to be a problem. I want to stop it there because I wanted to hear the way that he actually said it. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, see, and then Reynolds, the way Reynolds responds to also Wolverine and Deadpool, Bub. So I think this is a, I think it's a confirmation that this is what the titles are, whether or not he meant to do it or not.

A lot of break down here. Okay. First of all, it's marketing. This is, I think, intentional because Ryan Reynolds, whether it's the way he's marketed, MENTMobil, the way he's marketed aviation, he literally has a production company. a marketing company that I would think two years in a row has won best marketing called maximum effort and so this I don't think is a mistake I think Hugh Jackman playing the the straight man and him being the is going to be the flavor of the movie and calling it Wolverine dead when they mentioned the article that gives you a lot to play with in marketing you can have it scratched out you can have Deadpool Wolverine you can play out this title and we've heard it's a buddy cop thing all of this sounds exactly like what it's going to be and this is the right way to do it I also just want to give credit to Marvel usually runs everything their way

and they usually put out, like, certain amount of content, certain times. There's usually certain things running. I think a huge reason that we didn't hear about Deadpool for a very long time was because this was Ryan making sure it was his control. He was doing it his way. D23 happened two weeks later we got the Deadpool 3 announcement. That is not a coincidence. They did not do it at D23 because Ryan wanted to do it his way with that amazing video.

I can almost guarantee you it's in his contract. He gets marketing rights. He gets control of the title. He gets all these things. I could see this as being him controlling this entire little pocket of that, world and that's the first time because the MCU and it's good timing because the MCU right now needs a little boost a little flavor. I think it might be time to relinquish control a bit. I think a lot of that might be true, but I also think that if you're Disney and you buy

Deadpool, you also got to be careful with how much power you give the star. I think that's why it took so long though. But I don't disagree with you that there's not some things inside of the contract. There's certain things. Now complete control, I don't think so. Well, not like not complete, but I would say marketing, they might have said like you can. We're going to trust you in The marketing site, because you've marketed the film well. Like, you know, and the thing is that the marketing alone has also been part of, I mean, obviously, the success, but it's also almost like a character inside of the movie of this part. The way that he markets, the way that he markets, the way that Deadpool comes out and markets it. Valentine's Day ads for the first one.

That's what I'm saying? So like, so if you're Marvel, why wouldn't you want that still? When it, when it's sold a lot of tickets without you. Yeah. That was the, that was the movie that was doing well. You didn't need the, the MCU machine. It was doing it on its own. Almost a billion each one and two.

So why fixed it was not broke was not broke? Yeah, I agree. And at that point. So Winston, what do you think? No, I mean, that was pretty much what I was going to say is just along those lines is yes. Faggy has to look at it and go since we've, this is now a part of this camp. There are certain things that have to hit, but otherwise go. Right.

Because everything else that you bought had problems at one point or another. There were definitely high points for Hugh Jackman and his Wolverine. I think Logan, X2 United. Sure. But then there were really bad lows. There was Apocalypse. There was Origins War Vering. And he was in that too. And he was in both of those. Deadpool was in origin.

Right, but I don't count that. No, of course. That was the whole reason that this was created because of that. Yeah. Right. Right. And the fact that there's even the assassination of the Deadpool. And I don't think it's a coincidence. I think that's coming in Deadpool 3. I think they're going to be killing other Deadpool, other things. Yeah, there's going to be multiversal stuff. I wouldn't be surprised.

But I think that's the whole thing. Fagie, where you have to give him full credit, he knows when something ain't broke, don't fix it. And when you have a good thing, let it multiply. And I think that was it. It was a, okay, yes, Ryan, you know what you're doing, you know the marketing, you know how to handle that, take it, make sure it fits this, otherwise play.

Because that's exactly what you need. If Deadpool already in Marvel, like just in the books, everybody's in the sandbox and he's standing outside and he jumps in and he jumps in and he jumps out. It's kind of the same thing. Let Ryan cook like that and make sure it fits enough, but then you go. You've got two movies that have made a lot of money. And as I said, you didn't need the MCU machine, but now you have the MCU machine. And there's got to be something in how it all plays into the phase.

He's also been talking to Miss Minutes on Twitter. Ryan Reynolds and Miss Minutes have been talking, which is going to be interesting because that does kind of lean into the time travel stuff that I think is going to come into play. I also think they're going to be using, much like they did in Deadpool 2, like certain X-Men and certain things. And I don't think this is going to be like the introduction to what the MCUs X-Men are, but I do think there's going to be

a lot of cleaning up continuity because it's the perfect device to clean up continuity is having Wolverine and Deadpool. So curious how this one's going to turn out, and I think it's going to do very well, obviously, but I think it, as far as title goes, we're both Wolverine and what is it going to land on? I think Wolverine and Deadpool, for sure.

I think it'd be so funny if Deadpool 3 is called Wolverine and Deadpool because it would drive Deadpool crazy and Wolverine is the bigger star, so it does track for. So there's two things that actually just popped into my mind about this. I think the name of the movie is Wolverine and Deadpool. I think by the end of it, though, similar to what happened with Falcon and the Winter Soldier

where it became Captain America in the Winter Soldier, I would not be surprised by the end of the movie. It becomes Deadpool and Warburne. And the reason why is, I would also not be surprised if this is a cleaning up of what everything is, if we get an introduction to who our next Wolverine is by the end of this movie, because you're going to end up multiverse, multiverse, whatever it is,

that you literally, really hands it off if, you know, you think the next Wolverine's going to be cast by that? He, it could already be done. They're going to shoot it. They're going to start shooting this year. Yeah, but I mean, I think they're pretty far into the X-Men casting. I think that they have got to have that and fantastic four and everything kind of pretty

set at this point. Close to it. Yeah, but you don't. Because you have to move. So that's the thing. You don't necessarily have to have the whole X-Men cast, but to have your Wolverine locked down and let that be the introduction and even the gimmick of Warverine to Deadpool, becoming Deadpool to Wolverine, I think.

It's a maybe, but it's one of those things that. As we're reading through all these reports and you look at it like variety, right? There's just people like Jeff Snyder who don't sleep and look for this stuff like if you, because you think we rich has already been cast. Yeah. You think like, you don't think that these reporters,

someone like a Snyder or would crack this code already? They think they were going to be able to keep it that quiet? Biggest pop star in the world was secretly in Eternals until some asshole leaked it at the premiere. I think the biggest movie started, like the biggest pop star was able to be secretly in a Marvel film. That's two giant fandom. I mean, that was a small...

It's a small role, but it was a post-credit scene. Sure, but that's still, I'm saying the scope of both those things. Yeah, and it was leaked after the movie came out. Right. Right. I mean, yeah, if they can keep it quiet, I mean, I prefer when people keep it quiet, because I want to be surprised in the theater. Yeah, I mean, Henry Cavill was, they shot that in September, the movie came out in October, but we heard Rumlings, we didn't improve. Well, but the Rock was promoting it. I mean, the Rock was promoting it with that post-credit.

But we didn't hear before them. Yeah, right. The other thing I would say, too, is if you notice this, this, you've always had leaks and stuff like that, it hasn't been this bad until recently. There were things about Infinity War and Endgame that were hidden very well from us, and that wasn't that long ago.

That's just a couple of years. So if there is something they really want to keep close to the chest, Marvel and Figey have done a good job of doing it. If they really, really want to, but I think a lot of that stuff, the reason is unconcential. the reason why it's also gotten bigger is because it's Marvel gotten bigger. I'd also argue X-Men and Fantastic Four are the biggest accounts to be. Biggest

casting announcements since Spider-Man. Agreed. Like, there's nothing bigger. That's my point. But that's why they be extra vigilant. The difference between, and I agree, Harry Stiles' point is valid because it's like he's a massive star, but the character itself wasn't a massive thing. But like, who's Doctor Doom? Who's, like,

those are things, especially you know, it turned to be a very big actor. I think we'll find out. I think we'll find out I mean, at Comic-Con, I think this year we're going to find out D.C. Slate, I think we're to find out... You know, I don't love Marvel's even going to need to lean into that with things like this already announced. Is Marvel... You know, this might be a conversation for another show, because I think we're probably going to get into it for a while. But DC versus Marvel at Comic-Con, 2003, who wins?

God, I want that. I know. It's a win for everybody, though. Oh, I thought you meant, like, a crossover. You just meant you're curious about which of the two studios were. Because there's always... for the presentation. DC hasn't been able to hang with Marvel on the presentation for quite a long time.

I think they had one year with a Batman v. Superman or something that did pretty well, but for the most part, they haven't really been able to, usually the presentation of Marvel that just had more because clearly there's been no plan and nothing to kind of hold together. This year with everything and was going to be in the big showman that he is, do they have a chance to really be the ones who shine? So what you're saying is,

will the clippers finally be able to pick on the Lakers? That's what it is. Well, I would say that, ignore the phrasing of phases as in to Marvel, but phases as in bigger. We're entering phase two of DC and we're entering phase two of Marvel with Fantastic Four and X-Men. So both of them are about to level up in a real way at the same time. This is the only time they can both have as big of presentations.

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