The Kristian Harloff Show - JAMES GUNN IS GETTING ATTACKED FROM ALL FRONTS | DC | DCU | Big Thing

Episode Date: December 22, 2022

James Gunn and Peter Safran took over the DCU in November and it has been anything but easy. From annoucing Henry Cavill would not be returning as Superman, cancelling Wonder Woman 3 and a battle on Twitter with past DCEU stars, Gunn has had his work cut out for him. Where do they go? What will the plan be? This and The Rock addresses that Black Adam 2 not happening but Black Adam should return in the DCU. What does this all mean? Roxy has her TV picks on this Thursday episode of The Big thing! #DCU #jamesGunn #superman REXMD: Get 90% off RexMD with our exclusive link -http://www.RexMD.com/BIGTHING! #rexmdpod TRADE COFFEE: http://www.drinktrade.com/BIGTHING OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-big-thing-kh-channel?ref_id=27393 AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, everybody, happy Thursday, Thursday, Thursday. It's a great episode of Big Thing. We have a lot to talk about, man. There's so much stuff with whether it's Avatar. Is it performing at the box office the way they thought that it would? Can it still make the big money that we think that it could? James Gunn, man, this guy is going through it right now. So we're going to talk about James Gunn and everything that he's going through on DC.

Speaking of DC, The Rock, he's another one, going through it, talking about Black Adam and Black Adam 2 and the status of it and all that. There's so much, so much to talk about. And you look at 1923. That's a show that Roxy will definitely be talking about in her picks today for the television, what you should be watching. But the show in general is just doing extraordinary things with the ratings, and it costs a lot of money.

I don't think anybody is surprised at that, but I don't think Taylor Sheridan even knows what a lot of money is at this. point because he's probably sneezing it. The guy is literally programming Paramount Plus with everything he writes, even if he writes something on a napkin, it becomes a television show. And they're good television shows. So we'll talk about him and everything in general. And that's really, I mean, there's more to talk about.

We had a massive interview here on the channel on Tuesday. It's why we didn't have an episode on Wednesday. And it was with Diego Luna. We'll talk a little bit about that. And hopefully you guys have checked that out. So far on the channel, it's doing pretty well. I hope you guys can take a look. And that's really, that's the majority of it.

I think there's more stuff to talk about, but we can get into it. Patreon, if you haven't joined, I'm going to be adding a new tier. And I think Roxy will actually like this tier. And this is going to be in January. But I was talking to PLD about this tier. It's going to be a tier where I'm only going to open it up to five people. And it'll be, I'm essentially going to do a one-on-one interview with the people who sign up. And I'm going to ask them about their lives.

I'm going to ask them in general about things. The same way I would do about anybody that came on one-on-one, and I would give that person that footage. So that's going to be at a tier that opens up in January. It's going to be five of those that are available, but I'll be interviewing the same way I interviewed a Diego Luna or when I interviewed, you know, anybody, whether there's Cheney DeFries, anybody.

So it'll be a half an hour. So anyway, that's a Patreon. So the merch, Sith Council, show some class, big thing. Roxy, I knew when I put this on today, Roxy was going to be mad at me, and I didn't realize why I had done it. Look at this. Not even reping?

I don't, I couldn't find the big thing shirt. I know, I'm sorry. But anyway, all that is up there. So make sure you check that out. We're really growing on the podcast right now, man. Apple Podcasts, Spotify. Anywhere podcasts are found. Check it.

Check it out. Check this. Check that. Yeah. I don't know what's happening. All right, everybody, let's get into it. It's the big thing. Let's do it.

I'm choosing. Just say it. What do you? What are you? I think your mic's a little hot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It is.

Cheers. You can do the master one on there, and all of ours are a little. I don't give a shit anymore. Welcome back, everybody. I got me. I got Roxy. I got Brett. Look at that guy.

I got all of us. Oh, man. How cool was this? So cool. Diego Luna was in studio. The episode is up on the channel. right now. Brett took all these creepy photos from this side.

No, they're really good. It was awesome. Yeah, he was awesome. In general, got a chance to talk to him. It was a good 20, 25 minutes. And from what I was told,

I probably could have gone a little longer, but you're going to do. And I would like to thank Perry Nemeroff, who also shot here. And so Perry and I had come to talk after our live stream. And, well, actually a couple months ago, Mary Mouser and,

Clyder doesn't really have a studio anymore to shoot interviews and Perry's been doing virtual. So she was like, hey, do you mind, can I use your studio? And I was like, yeah, why don't we figure something else? So we figured something out. We had a nice little deal what we're going to do. So Perry and I'm going to be working together again with interviews. And Diego Luna was part of that agreement.

It was great to see Perry when she was in here. We got a chance to hang out. It was weird. She was working on the couch. And it just took me back to Collider. Yeah. where she was just to sit in the couch and walk up, it was Perry working.

She was, it was so comfortable. And again, kudos to Brett for really putting in a lot after everyone talked about how great the studio was. Like the reps were comfortable. They were sitting there. Brett was, you should have seen Brett's face.

He was so excited to see his, his, his, his, like, work, like, be put into use. So where did you put everybody? Yeah, Brett,

tell them. They were chilling, right? There was two reps and they were sitting, like, one in the yellow chair, one there. They are, like, on the couch?

Yeah, just, like, totally, you know, chill. I mean, We offered them coffee and stuff. We had water. It was just like, it felt legit.

And I looked around. And even Perry, like, when you went out to get Diego Luna, she was like, this is really, like, great job, great job. And that was just, I was. That's got to be a good feeling. It's amazing. Yeah. I mean, it looks.

And it's funny because when you, when everybody else isn't here and it's just he and I, we're always like, what do we need to do now? We're not, it's, I, what do you say? I'm going to guess the number of my head of where I think the studio is. And I think that we'll be on the same page. Where would you say it's added a number? Well, let me tell, I'm going to tell. Percentage was?

Yeah, I'm going to tell Roxy. Look away. I'm going to tell Roxy. You think, Brett, Brett, start singing like a nonsense song. Into the mic. Into the mic. All right. You ready, Brett?

91%. Oh, okay. I would say I agree. I would say I agree with that, but that's not where I thought you were going to go. I thought you were going to say 80. Well, yeah, it's, you're probably right. That's hopeful. Yeah.

Because there are so many little things you want to do. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 80's a good number. The accent lights that I've been messing with and then I reposition them. And then, you know, there's the automated thing where, you know, we'll be able to walk in and go, you know, Alexa, turn on, you know, just work lights, turn on studio lights and stuff like that. I think we should marble this table. We're going to get rid of this table. We got to get rid.

Cool. Yeah. I need a purchase. What do you need? I need a notepad. with a pen to take notes during your intros of the show. I have like 45 follow-up questions every single time. Oh.

First of all, yes, go ahead. I just am so curious how your brain works. I don't know. You were like, I interview a lot of people like Diego Luna and Sheneid Diffrey. Where it came from?

Because I wanted, so that's a great question. Love her. Where do that come from? Great question. Because I wanted to let people know inside of that tier that it's not just, you know, big celebrities, It's friends where you get someone like a Diego Luna.

And she needs to freeze. It's also a big personality in our space. Totally. She was the first person you thought of? Because I remember. She's always the first person, I think. I remember when I was doing those 101 interviews and I had a bunch of like celebrities on and I was like, I remember thinking to myself back at Collider going, well, I want

to change it up a little bit, not just do celebrities. I want to also do people inside of this space that the audience knows as the personalities. And she was the first one that I did. So that's probably, that's probably where. Yeah, that's probably where. I went it. It was a good one. It was great.

Yeah, it was great. She was, it was long. But, like, I have since decided to not do that anymore, like, friend-wise. I don't, it's,

that's why I'm doing it for Patreon, like to, and to know and to meet new people inside of that and ask questions about them. And what I really want to do, I want to do, I was going to do it for, like, a Christmas present, but I'll probably wait.

I want to get, I want to do one with my dad and my mom. Not for public release, for me. Like, yeah, I did that with my, uh, Pupo. Did you? Yeah. But then I did publicly release it because it was so interesting about the war.

Yeah, which I understand. But I, I want, I want it for me and I want it for my kids. I want to ask, I want to do like a two, three hour podcast with them both and ask them about things that I don't even know about their lives, you know, and things that maybe I did know, but I forgot. And I always have it. And that way the kids will always have it. So, and just to interview my dad, my dad, once you get him speaking, like, when you first meet him, you, you think like, he's, he's like, he's just like, oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. but who's your dad, Tom, then, you know. But then you start going like,

he's your daddy. I got kids. At least I think. Anyway. Oh my God, do you think he has kids? Who knows with that guy? Probably not. But, I mean, not that they can prove.

No, I always, not to be extremely morbid, but one of the things I always tell people when they talk to me about their parents is that the one thing that I wish I did was ask less questions about me, like, what do you want for my life? And what do you see me doing and ask more questions about them? Right. Or specifically about my mom, because that's the kind of stuff when somebody's gone, you can't make it up in your head. Right. You can predict what they would have wanted for you.

You can't know what their second grade teacher was like. Right. That's stuff you cannot figure out without them. But you can't beat yourself up over that either. Oh, completely. When you get older, that's when your brain matures to where you can think that kind of stuff. I just like that idea because I think that so often with our parents, it just because of the nature of how a parent you ask questions about you.

You know, like, or even when I would call them, be like, what did I, what was I like when I was a kid? It's like, who gives a shit? What were you like when you were? Yeah, right, right. Yeah, that's ultimately what I want to do. And that's why I thought of it this morning because we had the one tier that we had on Patreon was like, you could do a podcast with me for an hour. But I was like, and I did that with somebody.

It was fun. But I was like, yeah, but wouldn't. to be more interesting if like I got to know these people in an in the one-on-one style interview because I always put them when I put them on the channel a lot of the one-on-ones even with people like like big celebrities they don't always do very well yeah right and it's just I but I love doing them and I love talking to people so I thought that would be an interesting tier why do you want to not do with friends anymore what happened um I just don't well one of the reasons for having it on actual YouTube is that the honest answer is it doesn't doesn't

pull and I need and like this is a different time in my life where like this is as much as like it's fun that's the one reason I had a dinner with my with Andrew freed last night or you know our buddy who did who does um I mean everything basically yeah everything uh chef's table he's doing the new show with Dan Levy coming out um what's the new Dan Levy show he's a scripted or non-scripted it's on uh it's on it's on HBO max it's uh shoot put me on the spot and I forgot the name of it but uh Wow, Andrew, he doesn't even know your show. This is so awkward. I knew Dan Levy was in it.

But I was talking to Andrew. Like last night, I was just being in a better spot doing the stuff that I really like doing, like how fun Brett, how much fun Brett and I had, like, riding the high off that. Not just the fact that we got a big, we got a big name in here, but like we put a lot of work into this. And we were trying. And everything revolves around the, like, the algorithm and the idea.

Like, I still, I, for the, it's a business. It's a business. For the life of me, for the life of me, I cannot figure out clipouts, right? But clipouts back in Collider were massive for us. Clipouts would be you'd put a clipout, like if I would have put some of the clipouts that I put out for Diego's interview on Collider back in the day, they would have done big numbers. I used to clipouts on the big thing, clipouts, they ate shit. I did clipouts on Diego yesterday, ate shit.

On shorts or legit? No, clipouts. Because shorts, I'm still doing it. Shorts are different. Shorts I'm finding success on TikTok. I'm finding success on Instagram. Financially, they just don't work. Not yet.

But I wanted to do, and also not a big subscriber driver yet, unless you, I mean, in a different way. If you pop on shorts for YouTube, it helps you out for your other short form content. Yeah,

I was talking to Greg about that, and he was telling me, like, because World Girls does a ton of shorts and I gained us subscribers. Yeah. It doubled us, but it doesn't help us. our long form. Not yet. It does help our short form. But apparently in January, they're

switching to algorithm. January and February, apparently you're going to be able to get paid on shorts more too. Because if you, because if you do like Chris Van Fleet. I saw that. Unbelievable. So Chris Van Fleet has like eight million views on like this video that he has with John Sina. Eight million views. Anything you mean what, 67 cents or something? Oh wow. Yeah. Yeah. And if and if that would have been a minute and a half or two minute video on YouTube that would not uploaded as a short, he would have made a significant amount on ad sense. But so they're changing that up in February, but it's just the clipouts. I was like, okay, I'm going to do clipouts because I think people will want to see parts of

the interview. The interview itself did pretty well. Good. But like the clipouts, I'm like, I don't know if people are seeing it. I don't know if people maybe watch the interview, but it really isn't just about the subscribers that saw because you hope that the subscribers will watch the whole interview. It's the people who are searching for certain things. See Diego Luna pop up.

Like other people like, like can't be this clipouts. on his shows, and they do fucking great. Like they, and, and the algorithm favors those things. Are you consistent? With short, with clip house? No, not as much. And I think that's probably, absolutely could be it. I've been more consistent with short, with, uh, shorts now.

And they've been getting better. But like, if I was ranking the short form content of how it does the best, it's right now, strangely enough when I started doing short form, it was, Instagram was number one. And then, um, Facebook was two, TikTok was three and then, or, or, uh, are, YouTube was straight and then TikTok was for it. Now, TikTok's probably number one because I've been doing consistently. I posted my freaking avatar review.

I thought it was going to get like, I don't know, 5,000 views. It's got 786,000. I've no idea how that algorithm works. Yeah, it's crazy. This is probably an off-air conversation, but Christian, why aren't you have an intern? Well, right now, so. He does. Well, so first of all, Brett helps out tremendously around the studio.

Absolutely. I mean, but as far as I have, I have. people helping out with short form content. Yeah, but we're coming up on January, which means a new semester. Kids get school credit for it. You have a lot to offer somebody. You should have an intern. Well, so two reasons.

One, a lot of times you paid internships and my budget just isn't there yet. No, they're not. They get school credit. I know, but I know, but I just don't, I don't like not paying people. That's part one. Part two is, it's my. Think about what they're getting out of them. I know.

I guess I would have to know. And then if they're great, then you have to. hire them afterwards. They're going to be swimming and farts. Yeah. I think I'd have to know the person too. I'd have to know them. Interview them. I know but it's my this, the difference is that it's, this is my residence. Yeah. And I really have to know completely. Completely. You could also have, with the new culture, people don't even come in. You could have somebody across the country doing clipouts for you. You could have, you could be doing. Oh, sure, sure, sure. I can't me. The PLD helps out tremendously. I wouldn't, he's not, he's not an intern. He works. He works for me. Yeah, but like, but for

certain. Are you applying for the job? No. No. Oh. I can't get school credit. Oh, man. It's something to think about. It's something to think about.

But I think it would be tremendously helpful. And the good thing about them is that they're young. And they can be like, this is what's working with this demo. And you're like, what the fuck is that? You know that the email for this channel now is going to get a whole bunch of those because of you today. I'm so sorry. I mean, look, maybe we find somebody. That's how we found RB3.

Really? Really? RB3 wrote RB3. Do you know what RB3 did? RB3 wrote me when I was trying to. take all the old, because when we shot at the Toad Hop Studio, it was before YouTube, it was really posting a lot of long form stuff. So our episodes were not on YouTube.

They were on, like, this system that they had. And it wasn't, I think I couldn't put them on YouTube, but there was access to them on their website. So RB3 wrote to me, because I had mentioned it on some show. And RB3 goes, hey, and I think he was like 19 or something. Oh, yeah. And he's like, you know, I can take each of those episodes and I could send them to you. and if you want

and he did the whole library of of the three and I was like this guy's great so I remember when we were looking for another intern for for Shmose I remember saying we gotta we gotta talk to this guy man he's amazing and then he when he showed up

Ken always tells the story he had this he showed up in like a suit to Arbor yeah yeah that's right I can't picture him in a suit he can really style No for sure I just but it's not it's not his first thing he's got you know he's more of a director and he's more as you get that stuff but when we went to he he looked uh he looked slick when we went to the i took him to the to the black panther premiere and i was like man stylein next to rb3 that's so

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There's so much going on. There's so much going on. Are you looking at his Twitter every day? Not every day. Okay, I'm looking at his Twitter every day, Christian. But he's very active on Twitter. and I don't know if he should be anymore. And it's not because of anything he's saying.

I saw Mark And Draco tweet out yesterday. What are you saying? James Gunn, please, please, for the love of all of us, get off of Twitter. He just doesn't need to be on it anymore. He just doesn't, like, I agree with Mark. I don't, it has nothing to do. He's just very active and he likes to engage and stuff, and he likes to give answers, but he doesn't need to.

Here's a few things. So a few updates, this is from Dark Horizons. I think he's probably from Garth, if I was to guess, Garth Franklin, who writes a majority of stuff over there. Wow, that was so nerdy of you. What? I know who it was? Yeah.

This is from Dark Horizons. That's probably Garth. Well, no, the reason I say that he writes like 80% of their stuff. Honestly, he's probably Garth. It's probably Garth. Hey. But it called the G-Man up right now. The G.

The G. The G. More updates about the future of the D.C. universe have come in from DC Studios co-chief James Gunn. The news likely to calm the nerves of some Hollywood agents today. Whilst Henry Cavill won't be back as Superman, and we know Ben Affleck is done as Batman, the question remains. about the rest of the actors involved.

From Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman and Jason Moe's Aquaman to the various smaller characters of the prior films, including Gunn's own The Suicide Squad. The rumors recently sprang up suggesting that the only projects that Gunn previously helm would keep their casts while the rest would be overhauled for a clean slate. Gunn said on Twitter that the talk is nonsense. I keep seeing posts with this untrue theory.

We're not recasting everyone except the Suicide Squad. Gun had also issued a statement addressing fan concerns over the direction of the DC Universe as well as harassment that he and go-head Peter Saffron have received online. Saffron? I don't think Saffron's getting any, you know, he's not even active on Twitter. Everyone's going after gun. There's no fire Peter Saffron hashtag.

But anyway, one of the things Peter and I were aware of when we took the job as heads of DC studios was a certain minority of people online that could be well, uproarious, and unkind to say the least. Our choice for the DC, you are based upon what we believe is the best for the story and best for the DC characters who have been around for nearly 85 years. Perhaps these choices are great, perhaps not, but they are made with sincere hearts and integrity and always with the story in mind. No one loves to be harassed or called names,

but to be frank, we've been through significantly worse. The disrespectful outcry will never, ever affect our actions. We were aware that there would be a period of turbulence when we took this gig, and we knew we'd have sometimes to make difficult and not so obvious choices, especially in the wake of the fractious nature of what came before us. but this means little to us in comparison to our jobs as artists and custodians in helping to create a wide and wonderful future of DC.

Now before I get to that, because we're going to address all this, something else that popped up right afterwards was this thing that then happened with Ray Fisher, which I will say this, and we can talk about it a little bit. Like, well, the stuff that Ray Fisher went through with weed and all that stuff, like when he was, when he's out there talking about it, I was like, yeah, you know, this is like this is something he should be talking about. you should get to his side of the story and I never really, you know, responded on it because I thought he should fight his fight. I thought this was out of line. I did. I think that going after Gunn for, and especially the fact that he didn't have all the information. He's, why are you deleting your tweets? James Gunn has said many times over his, his auto deletes on his, on his Twitter. It deletes after a certain amount of months. He wasn't deleting just Ray Fisher's. We have a tweet that he did from the Shmowdown that will probably be deleted eventually as well, too. I just, this is my big problem with Twitter. I think that Ray Fisher had he reached out to James Gunn, they could have had a conversation. but I just is why I can't I hope I'm hoping every day that Twitter dies I'm hoping that it dies because it's

I fucking hate it roxy and I'll go right back into this for a second I fucking hate it I want it to go away so bad because of this it has ruined so many lives it has it has destroyed and not to say that there's not more apps that will do the same thing and they'll find other ways but it is the first way that people attack one another they go after each other they try to destroy one another they They don't, they don't, they don't, they never have conversations. This is people inside of our circle when we've seen with Dern Schmodeon stuff. It's like instead of having conversations with somebody, they go, oh yeah, well, I don't like what you said.

I'm gonna fucking try to ruin you right now. And they don't have conversations. They don't talk anymore. And the same thing here. It's like, have a conversation with the person. Talk. The app is legitimately how many people are able to get out news and information. And especially like outside of this country, it is so wildly valuable for people who

are unable to speak about what is going on in their countries. There's other apps. Hive, man. Yeah. Hives. But then it would be the exact same thing. I mean, I think that there are qualms with, I have qualms with Twitter for sure. However, in general, I think the positive outweighs the negative.

Significant. Yeah, I feel the exact opposite. I think it is a cesspool. I don't think any, I've never seen anybody get more hate on Twitter than me. It's still, I'm like, it's a garbage bag full of shit and piss, and it needs to go away. I can, I will, I will do such a happy. Happy dance when that fucking piece of shit is gone. I hate it so much.

And it won't go away. I know that it won't. It'll be there forever. So you're rooting for Elon. I'm rooting for it to be a disaster. Absolutely. Absolutely. When every time he does something stupid, I'll keep going.

Is he going to step down? No, he's not going to step down. Christian Harloff becomes the biggest Elon Musk. It's the idea. It's like maybe maybe this was his plan. Maybe this is his plan all along. It's just running to the ground. He shits that.

He shits that. on a Tuesday, by the way. Was it 40 billion? How was it? Whatever it was. He shits out on a Tuesday. Yeah, I think. Yeah.

And the guys worth like $600 billion. He shits out on a Tuesday. But either way, I hate it. I cannot, I cannot stand it. And no, I would not, I would not shed a tear if it goes away. It's a piece of shit. I, so people go, why don't you get off of it? Because I have to.

Because I use it. And I'll use it. And I'll use it. But I'm just saying, I'll use it every day. And I'll use it every day to get my stuff out. But, like, the fact that, like, I've seen. Other things you use every day that you don't like. I mean, that's probably the main one, to be honest, because, like, Instagram I enjoy.

I think it works. It works well. The other ones work well. I don't see, like, there are ways. People are still mean to each other, but there's just something about it. Like, people try to destroy each other on there, like, destroy each other. And it's like, it's disgustingly toxic at times. It's horrible.

And I'm talking about more so, like, even people, like, people we know, like, people won't just have a conversation. Like, hey, you got an issue with me? Let's talk. Let's have a conversation on the phone. Let's have a no, no, no, I'm tweeting after you. I'm going after you. I'm going, I'm going to tweet you because I can.

It's like, what are you doing? But I'm conflicted about this Ray Fisher gun situation. I am. Did you, you looked at the tweets? I looked at the tweets and I said, but and Gunn had apologized for what he, because I guess what happened was that, and you can correct me from wrong, but I think that what the situation was that who, it was Alan Tutic, who had kind of said, this is not the Joss Whedon that I know or something along the lines to,

and Gunn liked it, right? And then Gunn looked at it and said, look, I didn't know the full. situation. I shouldn't like the tweet. I apologize. And then Ray tweeted at him and said, James Gum, why did you like this tweet? Yeah. And then he apologized for it. And he realized, he said, well, I didn't, I didn't look into it enough and I apologized for it. And then Ray then looked at it and said, oh, you deleted it. So you must not.

Ray then tweeted, thank you James Scott. Right. I'm saying it now. But saying then then looking at, he said, thank you James for for, for him. But now, instead of reaching out to him and saying, hey, why did you delete that tweet? And him going, well, I have auto deletes. And then he would understand it. He goes and What do you have understood it? I think some people have issues. Okay, I really, really like James Gunn, and I really, really like Ray Fisher. I don't know either.

I don't mind Ray Fisher at all, yeah. I don't know either of them personally. I have interviewed Ray, we did an hour sit down with him on DC movie news, and he was lovely, but obviously I don't know him as a person whatsoever. And his, so I can't pretend to know the details of the situation as he spoke about. 100%. If you don't know the details, don't speak on it. However, that's what we do on these shows.

We speculate and we talk about what we think is going on. I love how Roxy does damage control before making a statement that might get hate from people. That's from you having years and years of people tagging. You're like, okay, this is just my opinion. Well, still, she still gets stuff for the Snyder cut four years later. Unbelievable. And it's a bummer. I wish I had done my makeup better that day.

Like if you're going to play that footage over and over again, it does not exist. Could we have had a better angle? Could it have been cuter? Like, I'm going to go everywhere. Can I look like it? I'm so bummed. And I'm making this face. I really look like a cringe in that thing.

But what I was saying is that I do feel like at this point, Ray is so disappoint. I can't speak for him. It seems as if he is so fucking disappointed in the way that Warner Brothers and D.C. has handled this. And while you are saying, of course Ray could have reached out to James Gunn, has James Gunn not reached out to Ray Fisher after taking over D.C.? Well, I mean, he probably, look, look. One of these things is that you think about everything. Because you can say both, right?

Yeah, but there's so much, but maybe it was on his agenda, but he's doing so much right now. Absolutely, and I'm not blaming James Gunn. I'm just saying that it is a two-way street, and James Gunn, knowing every person who has any grasp on DC knows that Ray Fisher has been tweeting out A over E for three years, however long it's been. If I'm James Gunn, you know coming into this,

Ray Fisher's going to say something. You know he has thoughts on this. Yeah, but he's coming after, but he was going after him because of a deleted tweet that he didn't delete. It was an auto tweet that he said on his thing. I think that some people would say that's the same thing. Obviously, James Gunn has auto deletes because of what happened to him with Disney, which I completely understand.

I have, and I have zero issue with having auto deletes. I probably should set up auto deletes. Things don't age well. Sometimes you say something and you're like, ah, fuck, that wasn't cute, whatever. Totally get it. But I think that Ray Fisher right now, he's owed apologies he's never received. I'm not talking about specifically from James Gunn, but now James Gunn is the figurehead there

and has never reached out to him yet. Now, that doesn't mean that they can't have a good relationship. And as you saw, when James Gunn did previously say, I'm sorry, Ray, I shouldn't have liked that. Ray said, thank you. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Even so, which I don't, maybe he should have reached out, but it still doesn't mean, it's just this,

it's still this generation in general. Not just Ray Fisher, everybody. I'm with you. They're tweeting it instead of texting and tweet. And it's like, it's like, hey, listen, James doesn't mention anything about me yet. I made this pretty publicly clear. You know, like, I'm going to call my agent.

I'm going to call my manager and let them know, or I'm going to send an email. Get me, I got to talk to this guy because it's weighing on me. And I got to find out. Why was that tweet deleted? Like, what's going on here? Can I get some information? Instead goes to Twitter. And that's what everybody does.

Everybody, they go to Twitter. Hey, I'm going to really fuck somebody up. I'm going to Twitter. And it's like, it's bullshit. And it's like, and I'm also with you. I don't know anything about that situation. So from what it seems like, he got fucked over bad. And I think it's terrible and it's terrible.

And I've always said, I don't really, like, I feel he should get justice for it. They should find out they should work. The guy's, what they did with him, he's like one of the standouts in the Snyder cut, like a standout. He's so good that story. And I wish that they would find a way to work with him.

But I just, and it's not really about Ray Fisher in general. It's just, it's just such a reflection of what people do where they want to go after somebody and I'm going to get you on Twitter. And I fucking hate you. I hope it goes away. I hate it. It sucks. And nothing for nothing.

I obviously, I have years of Twitter history. I've never once had a qualm with somebody and taken it to Twitter first. No, I know you, but you're a minority. And same with you. So I'm not here looking at what Ray did and saying, that was the best method. Great job. You're getting what you want. But you understand why he's upset.

I do. I think he's just fucking like, I get it. I understand that he's upset. I understand that. I'm just more so in the fact that like, like you said, for me, If I got an issue of somebody, I'm calling them. If I have an issue of somebody and I want to get to the bottom of something, I talk to them. Because I can't go.

And even DMs and you can't talk to someone, have a conversation with someone because all that's going to do is fester up inside of you and you're just going to fucking hate that person or you're going to hate someone in general and you're just going to do stuff. And it's also not good business-wise. It's just not good business-wise in general. And I'm not speaking- Oh, business-wise, I think he's really put himself in a not great position. But I think he knows that. I'm not even speaking specifically on. him. I'm speaking about specifically in general because I think that Ray Fisher decided to fight the

and that's what he's going all in on the fight. And some people are supporting that and him will hire him. Right. And I think he'll work and he'll get other stuff. And he should. He's a really good actor. And I think that and I don't, I don't have an issue with him at all, to be honest. And I think that I don't, I don't know enough about the situation to talk about that particular thing. I just think he's more that what he did in this particular circumstance is a representation of what I dislike about Twitter, what I dislike about social media. So that's, that's where that came from. And James Gunn responded to that and inside of that story, again, to get to that, back to Gunn. Ray Fisher came to many people's attention for his betrayal, superhero, cyborg.

I think this is from Garth also, let me say. Yeah, this is Garth. Oh, G-Man. Yeah, yeah, the G-Man. After Ray Fisher came to many people's attention for his portrayal of superhero, Cyborg, and Zach Snyder's Justice League, along with his fearlessness for calling up members of the old Warner Brothers Pictures regime on social media. With many of the executives, Fisher called out, now gone from the company, Excuse me. In the wake of the discovery buyout, he recently set his sights on the most public face of DC studios,

most public face of DC Studios, filmmaker James Gunn. Gun took to Twitter to address the backlash he's received from the fans over the decisions that he and Peter Safron are making in regards to DC Universe. In the wake of that, Fisher responded by recalling a tweet, I don't know why I got short of breath all of a sudden, where Gunn seemingly showed support for Josh Whedon, after Fisher accused Whedon of creating a toxic work environment on the set of Justice League. Fisher says in a tweet posted yesterday, the way James Gunn uses fake grace on Twitter is funny. Him going to bat for weed in,

pseudo-apologizing for it, and then deleting it immediately before taking his DC job is not. Reviewing to apologize for toxic behavior seems to be a job requirement for WB and D.C. That's kind of what I meant. Like, there was no conversation. He just, like, had he done a little research on it, maybe he would have found out about the auto-deletes. He wasn't deleting that because he got the job at D.C.

Fisher included his, screenshots, one in which Gunn apologizes to him for liking a tweet that defended Whedon and another that showed the tweet had now been deleted. Fisher has been reminded by fans that in the wake of guns firing from Guardians over the past offensive tweets, Gunn now has an auto-delete feature on his Twitter account where older tweets get eliminated. Gunn has also replied to Fisher explaining, saying, all my tweets automatically delete every few months, right?

It has nothing to do with my tweets to you. Fisher has been most recently shooting Snyder's two-part Rebel Moon. Good. Feature at Netflix and earlier this year made his Broadway debut. in a stage adaptation of August Wilson's a panelist. Like I said, I like Ray Fisher. I think that he is a, I think he's a good actor. I think he'll be around for a little bit.

For a while, I think that my particular beef is what we just talked about. The year in agreement with. It's just like, just talk to people. The Alan Tudick tweet, which is not what this is about, though, is also like equally is more problematic because this is one of my issues with Twitter is like, just because you don't have the same experience as somebody else. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And like especially as Ray Fisher is specifically speaking on race, he's specifically speaking on race for Alan Dutick to be like, I can't picture this. He's sticking up for his friend, which he shouldn't be doing at a time like that. Because you're right, he doesn't know the same way we're talking about it. We don't know the details. And we're also not a black man. who has gone through these circumstances and gone through these things that we don't have that experience and he certainly doesn't as a close white man.

Totally. Friend of Josh Sweden. So I agree. He shouldn't, he shouldn't have tweeted that out either. Yeah, it's just you don't know. Like there was a guest and I. Again, tweets. Get rid of them.

It's crazy. There was a guest that we, uh, that I specifically brought into a show that we used to do a while ago. Uh, and was very friendly with and had zero back. experiences with. It came out like a few months after that that he was blasted. There was 14 women who said that he had sexually assaulted them and like he don't even know whom time out. Not yet. So it was like everywhere and people kept tagging me being like, what about you? What about you? What about you? And I was very. Do that happen you mean? And I was so weary to speak on

my experience because I had a great experience with him. But I don't even want to, I didn't want to even put that out in the world because that has nothing to do with these other women. There's nothing to do with them. Right. And it's just like same. So I had on, for like a couple examples, like one, I had on Jason Mitchell, which there's a bunch of stuff that happened with him afterwards. I had on Blake Jenner, which I didn't know anything. Like the recent, I don't, and the other thing is I don't pay attention enough to a lot of the stories that are going out to.

That's not taking away from anything that happened. There's so many stories. There's so many stories now that it happened. And like I was going to, I was reposting one-on-one interviews not too long ago. And I was like, well, which one should I, should I post? And I posted all the ones that I had. And I put him, Blake generous name on there. And they're like, don't you dare put that on there.

Don't you, aren't you sensitive? I don't know what the fuck is happening. I didn't do the research. I'm like, oh, shit. I didn't know. And like, I did the thing on like, because Busey the other day, like, where I said, because I was, this was the, this, the joke was this. The joke was that, you know, because Elon Musk said, I got, I had this poll. And I, and by, and by the end of it, should I stay as CEO in Twitter?

And if not, I will step down, I'll buy it by the poll. And I said, here's my vote for the next CEO of Twitter. And I put a picture of Garik Bucy. And I said, on it, I'm like, if it is yes, and people will retweet this, I will tell Mr. Bucy that he is indeed the CEO of Twitter. And people are like, well, didn't you know that he assaulted somebody at a Comic Con? I'm like, no. I just know that it's Gary Busey and he's a fucking lunatic.

And I wasn't serious anyway. And that you could put the most horrendous person in the world in there. That was the joke. It's putting the most horrendous person that you could find in there and do it. But again, it's also why I was like, I don't even bother. And as much as I complain about it all the time, it's like the Twitter. I'm like, just don't even try to crack jokes because people no matter what you're going to do, they're going to try to get you.

Everybody's trying to try to get you. But that's the good part about Twitter is the cracking jokes. Yeah, but then someone tries to get you. I know. This James Gunn situation, I put out what I thought was a very funny tweet. I think on a thousand likes. Some people agree with me. Very, very popular.

And it was like, you know, Warner Brothers is the worst X that you could have in this situation. They want you back and get you back. Whatever. Yeah, whatever. It was no judge. If anything, I am a WB girl. You know that.

Unless it's the center. You don't think it exists. That's not exist. They really got you for that. It got me. But I just like really was making a joke. No judgment. I think that James Gunner.

right now is truly doing what he thinks is right for this the future of dc why would he do it if he didn't uh actually getting just completely ditching that and coming back to what he's doing for a second hysterical though last big thing we're talking and you were like could keep superman cut the rest of them and he's like could cut superman and keep the rest of them yeah but that's not what it seems so that's that's that i'm glad that you went in that direction because that's that's ultimately what we should we should talk about here and probably what the the whole um now it's for me to jump in. So you should jump in. But, Superman. Go to the verbiage of the actual thing. I was kind of confused on the suicide squad part of it.

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It's good. I did. I've done a couple different Hanukkah parties. Nice. I've lit the candles every night. Yeah. Some people wish me happy Hanukkah. I did.

I know you sent me a text. I didn't know that was a thing. You didn't know Hanukkah was a thing? No, I didn't know you. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. I don't know.

I don't know anything. He's just terrible friend. I'm a terrible friend. I didn't know. Wow. Have you wished me Merry Christmas? No. So offensive.

It was super. Tweet at him. Tweet at him. Destroy him. I would see me one second. Yeah, tweet him. Ruin his life. I'll fire him.

I'll fire you right now. Christian because he's like, hey, how's on it? He doesn't know what goes on. Check your Twitter. No. I know. But I know that people are celebrating. Like that's nice.

I will remember now. It's like Christmas in terms of you can send, you can send people text for eight different days. Yeah. So that part's not like Christmas. Because you only send texts on Christmas Eve or Christmas Eve or Christmas. Christmas Day, right? You don't do the like 25 days of Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. So you could say it at any point. But yeah, I think it's really nice. If you guys are at home and you have any Jewish friends, I think it's really nice to send them a Happy Hanukkah text because we, this country does not acknowledge Hanukkah and we work through the entire holiday, which is totally fine. It's not our biggest holiday, but the least that people can do is say, like, happy Hanukkah. Because imagine if you're going to work on Christmas and nobody acknowledges it's Christmas and you're like, do I exist? Happy age, right?

Yeah, sure. Give me that H. Yeah. Give me that H. Hey. So speaking of, give me. How's your C.H? Yeah, give me. Let's go back to the story first and then I want to give these TV picks.

So. Okay. The phrasing on it was confusing to me, Christian. When he says like, except the suicide. So that's the, it's the way that he worded it that was very interesting, right? He said, the rumor was that, as you said, that everyone was like, okay, well, look, you're getting rid of all of these DC characters that came essentially in the Snyderverse, but you're keeping the suicides. squad. That's that's the, that's the big, the rumor and Matt Reeves Batman, right? Because there was a rumor that he was going to put Matt Reeves Batman in the DCU and he debunked that.

He said, no. And then like, okay, well, then it looks like everybody's going to go except the suicide squad. He's like, no, that's not the case. Not everyone's going to go accept the suicide squad. He didn't say the suicide squad are being recast also. He just said, that's not true that everyone else. So the question then remains, does that mean that there are certain characters that will remain? Could it be and Mamoa that stays as Aquaman. Could it be Zach Levi that stays as Shazam? Could Galcudad still return? So you saw the Rock's comment?

You saw the Rock put out a statement? That's what I was going to... Should we read that first before we get into this? Yeah, because that gives me questions about what you're saying right now. So let's see, because I haven't seen the full thing, but let's talk about Black Adam and then the Rock had something that came out. He's another one that's been just like on the defense the whole entire time recently talking about certain things.

And I've seen... But if you're going to address things on Twitter, this is kind of how to do it. Yeah, his status has been all over the place recently, though. Where is... Let's see, I just saw this whole thing. So Johnson responds... It should be in here somewhere.

Oh, there it is. Issues a statement on Black Adam 2. And this is from... I don't know if you know it. Garth Franklin wrote this one. I told you, right? The GM man. Oh!

He writes, like, I mean, they should give him stake. If he doesn't have... If he doesn't have a piece... Probably Garth. Of Dark Horizons. should. He literally writes every article for them. He's got a own Dark Horizon. This site's been up forever.

This is where Ellis... Did he take Garth on the show? We should. He doesn't know who we are. The GM man. The GM man. All right, listen. The GM man writes this. The hierarchy of power in the DC universe has certainly changed.

Garth Franklin's going to start getting tweets from our fans with the G-Man. He's going to the hell's calling me GM. The hierarchy of power in the DC universe has certainly changed, but maybe not in the way that actor Dwayne Johnson intended. The Rock has issued a C. statement about his future DC anti-hero Black Adam following a meeting with DC Studios co-chief James Gunn. The wrestler-turned actor spent 15 years trying to get a film adaptation of the Black Adam comic made and finally achieved that this year. Now, in a lengthy post, Johnson says the first Black

Adam film will not be the first chapter of storytelling. He confirms any plans for a direct sequel have been halted and will not be moving forward anytime soon. Okay. So however, Johnson adds that DC and his production company seven bucks have agreed to continue exploring the most valuable ways that Black Adam can be utilized in future DC multiverse chapters. That leaves the door opens for Johnson's potential

screen return down the line, but when is anyone's guess. It's certainly a long walk back from Johnson's previously touted plans to develop several DC universe titles, including a potential Black Adam versus Cavill Superman film. Statement reads as follows. My passionate friends, I wanted to give you

a long-away to Black Adam update regarding the character's future in the new DC universe. James Gun and I connected, and Black Adam will not be in their first chapter of storytelling. However, DC and Seven Bucks have agreed to continue exploring the most valuable ways Black Adam can be utilized in future DC multiverse chapters. James and I have known each other for years and have always rooted for each other to succeed.

It's no different now, and I will always root for DC and Marvel to win and win big. You guys know me, and I have very thick skin, and you can always count on me to be direct with my words. The comments come as Gunn himself has also shot down reports of a potential recasting of Wonder Woman, responding on Instagram via digital spite of fan commenting about saying, I'm not sure where you're getting that we booted gal. Gun has responded to this statement release saying,

Love the Rock, and I'm always excited to see what he and seven bucks do next. Can't wait to collaborate soon. We expect to hear more about the future of the DC universe as early as next month. Okay, so there's so much. And it's so wildly confusing, but not to anyone's fault. Because there's so much that they can say right now and there's so much that they cannot say right now. And also they've admitted, which I appreciate, they don't know everything yet. Right.

They haven't made all the decisions. They're making their plans. So what it seems like after a statement like this, because there were so many questions and one of the questions being, well, if it's not going to be a complete reboot, right, then who stays? right because if it is because once because we as you said last week we said well look if they get rid of henry cavil then they're going to get rid of everybody because it seems like henry cavil is the one that everyone wants back yeah and that's the guy they cut now one of the things that they could say is this the big plan is to eventually get to a world's finest and that's like

the big kind of like you know the big movie that they want to get with batman and superman and all that and in order to do that leading up to a place now henry cavil is 40 years old right And they want to do like a 10-year plan. He'd be a 50-year-old Superman. Now, let's not say he couldn't do it because you even look at like Robert Danny Jr. Who started a 40 at Iron Man and maybe a little even older. But from what James Gunn had said, they wanted to explore Superman's earlier life. Now, I wish that Cavill would have stayed because I wanted to see what he could do.

But I don't say, oh, man, I'm not watching this now because I want to, because I'm curious what the plans are. Now, they can make this movie and I could hate it. And I could say they should have just kept Cavill. What movie are you talking about? The Superman, whatever the new Super. Whatever Super. Whatever the way they did in Smallville. Give me an old Superman.

Give me an old Superman. No, but they got gun and guns and guns riding it, right? And I think that's the thing. I want to judge it after I see it. I want to look at it and see it. Like, I don't want to just judge it because I was very, I was bummed that Cavill's not coming back. I was bummed.

But I said, all right, let's see. I don't think that the hashtags of getting rid of people and this. You don't know what they've, they're doing yet. It's like if you vote somebody into, you voted for somebody to come into, and people are going to go, well, I didn't vote for James Gunn, but I'm just using the analogy. But public perception was very strong. It was when he came in.

And so he comes in and it's like if whatever the, whatever the, let's say, person of power that comes into any government, right? And whether it's a governor, a president, a mayor, whoever it is. Let's see what they ran on these certain things. platforms of what they were going to do. Well, what are they going to do? And within not even a month of their range, you're like, get out of them.

They had no chance to do anything yet. And it's just, again, Twitter. Twitter, Twitter was the, you look at the majority of the stuff that guns getting. Where's it coming from? Twitter. Yeah, because that's where people have a voice. I think there's a difference between you being disappointed

and people being disappointed, which is understandable people like Henry Cavill and they wanted to see the Superman and people being entitled. Yeah, sure, sure. It's really gross to feel like you sitting at home on your couch are owed a Henry Cavill Superman movie.

That's fucking weird. Right, right. That's fucking weird. You can be disappointed. Yeah, of course. You could sit there and think, wow, if I was James gone, I think I would have probably tried to make it work.

But you're not. And you're not in the room. You're not in the room. You're not having the conversations as heavy. You don't see what he's seeing. The guy has made so much money on guardians. And you guys like him. And you like his work.

Most of the most of you, and you, me, whoever. But this is what I thought was interesting. So this is where I'm a little confused on those words that he said that we're not recasting everyone except the suicide squad. So Black Adam, the Rock, he just said that they're going to work together to see if there can be where the black atom fits in the multiverse. It's essentially what he said.

He said, utilize in future DC multiverse chapters. I wonder if that is what Gunn is referring to when he's saying we're not recasting everybody. They have no intention on recasting a black atom. They're going to use him. They're just not going to bring in the character black Adam unless it's in the multiverse.

And put it, well, I mean, and there's also the other side of it too where like I look at the Patty Jenkins story, right? And the Patty Jenkins story was, and I don't know where it ultimately. Ultimately Landik's there were so many different rumors there was too, but the way that I got it was that eventually they have a plan of what they want to do with Wonder Woman.

The plan that Patty Jenkins was writing was part of the old regime and everything too, and they presented this doesn't actually fit in. And she didn't feel like she wanted to go that particular route. So she's moving on from it. In no report, in any of those reports, it did it say that they were killing Wonder Woman off altogether. And in no reports did it ever say that Gal Gadot was not cast. Henry Cavill had a meeting where he was clearly told they're not moving forward and he posted about it and that was at Galgadoadot has not done that. Ben Affleck has not done that. This article said that Affleck was out though.

This report said that the Affleck scene from Aquaman was cut. That's what it said because they had, because remember Mammao posted that that says Ben's back and he's coming back. Totally, but G-Man just said no athlete. Right. Right, which I think that, because I think the reason why is, is that they want to be less confusing with it. I can understand that what they want to do, and they don't want to get people's hopes up with Ben Affleck's Batman, but they want to, but Gunn has also said, we want Ben to direct a DC project. So, just trying to get all the old guys out. That's what it is.

I don't, yeah, go ahead. I bet everybody, I mean, not that, you know, they're all working in other gigs, a lot of these people, so they're not shaking in their boots. But as soon as you hear Caval's gone, everybody in that property is kind of like, okay. What do we do? You took Superman? And I'm wondering how some of the even smaller characters are like, okay, are they going to just totally?

Totally. Imagine being Ezra Miller right now. Ezra's like, oh, is Henry Cavill been a complete saint to you guys? Yeah. Yeah. You cut him?

That's going to be the biggest thing now because. They have to cut as you know. They have to. They have to. They cannot keep them. You, or you look like a toad. Now,

and I think that Gunn and Miller were friendly. So if he, he, if James Gunn does not cut Ezra Miller, that's going to be an issue. Yeah. You got to get rid of Ezra Miller. James Gunn is pretty, he has his finger on the pulse. I don't see a world in which James Gunn moves forward with Barry Allen as a character. I think he's going to go with Wally West if he is creating a Justice League.

And so I think that it's not, it's going to be a non-issue because he's not recasting Ezra Miller. He's using a different character. And I think that's what he's talking about. I'm not recasting. I think he's being very choosy with his words. Canby brought this up on. on his show, and I agree 100%.

You know who gets screwed the most out of that Flash movie? Ooh, what's your name? Clemon, Clarcy. Andy Mochietti, the director. Why? Puts all this effort into it. They were waiting forever to get

the Flash movie off of the ground. And the D.P. And the Gaffer. Yeah, but Mochiet, but remember, though, anybody who worked on the movie, absolutely. But Muscietti in general, because they took so long to try to get this movie

off the ground. And he finally did it. And if you listen to all of the rumors about this film, it's supposedly incredible. So if he made this great flashpoint and people don't go see it because of one, Ezra Miller.

I think everybody's going to see it. I don't think Andy's going to get screwed at all. Well, in the long one you mean, you think you have and do more stuff? I hope that that's true and I hope that the movie delivers. I just think that, you know, for there are some people going,

well, how does this play in? And how, will any of these movies, whether it's Shazam, will any of this play in to the DCU? It's interesting. But anyway, like I said, I didn't know what the hell we were going to, like how much of it we were going to cover.

And we clearly did the whole show basically on it. And I think that it's, it makes sense because it's just a, there's just so much. And this is an ongoing thing that we're going to be talking about on this show and other shows for sure. But before we move on, everybody, I wanted to tell you guys about Roxy's TV show segment, man. This is massive. This 1923. Now, before Roxy even gets into 1923, it's broken records. It has, it, it's big budget on it, obviously.

But Roxy, tell me about 1923. So 1923 had its premiere. I obviously am a massive fan of Yellowstone and of Taylor's work in general. It at the very least always looks incredible, like these vast, sprawling landscapes that you just could stare at until you die. I saw the pilot for this. It's interesting. It's interesting in a way that, like, I'm actually not sure how it all ties together yet. There's multiple different stories going on in this pilot that one of them is so gruesome and violent.

I watched it. Oh, okay. You know what I'm talking about that. With the hands. Yes. Okay. And the squirrel. What's that?

It's the hands and the squirrel. The hands in the squirrel. Yes, yes. Yeah, minus the squirrel part totally. that I think that this this show has legs it is building I think it's going to be excellent but for a pilot

I think they are asking a lot of their audience to be like there's a lot for you to get invested in and also it's going to make you a little queasy. Yeah but they did the job I'll tell you that because it was the highest rated by far the highest rated premiere

Paramount Plus has had and Tulsa King did great it far exes Well, it's got two massive stars. Yeah, absolutely. And this is the point that I made the other day was that the difference where, and we've talked about it on this show, on Collider, many times, the movie star today does not sell the tickets in the theater, right?

There's very few. Like, even Mission Impossible, that brand, Tom Cruise, absolutely, and even Top Gun, but it was Top Gun, and it was the brand itself, and it was Mission Impossible that sells that. Tom Cruise still a movie star. He didn't even get it. nominated for a globe for that. Which is silly.

But Tom Cruz, though, when you, it used to be back in the day where, well, Tom Cruise is going to, new Tom Cruise movies coming out. I'm going to go see it. The new Will Smith movies coming out. I'm going to go see it. Like, that stuff doesn't happen that much anymore. And even The Rock, who was the supposed to be like the big, they didn't carry too much over in Black Adam.

My point with all of that is this. The movie star, however, can sell a TV show on streaming. Because it will make you watch it. Because you're already subscribed to it. Yeah. If you're already subscribed to it and maybe you're not, but you, you, But that's the one that you were on the fence about Paramount Plus, but you love Harrison Ford.

You love Helen Mirren. That's how I got Sadie to watch it. Sadie had no idea what it was, but she didn't watch Yellowstone. She didn't watch 1880s. No, three, whatever. Either what, she didn't watch any of that stuff. It also, it's not just the star, it's the creators. Now on TV, people casually will be like, oh, I love JJ Abrams shows.

Or, oh, I love Damon Lendlough. Oh, I love Taylor Sheridan. And they're franchising Yellowstone. And they're franchising Elstone. That's part of it. And when you put in more like this, because I've watched. So apparently, because I was with you, I didn't watch, I stopped trying to watch Yellowstone because it was in 75 different places.

But apparently it's all on Peacock is what I was told. So I'm probably- Not the new episodes. And you new episodes are on Paramount Plus. Yeah, it's weird. But either way, you can watch it. Actually, they're done. They're on Paramount app.

App. All right. Well, either way, you got to find it somehow. But the other, and the other show I didn't watch with St. Elliot. it. But this was the one I'm going to watch week to week. Do you like it? I love it. I thought it was great. And I think that that's the other point that I made. This is why every streaming service should go week to week. Oh, you have to. You need to have the water cooler conversation. I do think that there is merit in dropping three episodes or two episodes at once and then week to week get people in. Agreed. But if you just drop everything at once now, it doesn't stick with me the same way.

No, it's everybody. It's gone because the thing is you could put out the, like look at Stranger Things, right? Stranger Things was this particular season was almost set up like massive movies, right, the way that they were set up. But they, and it was in the conversation for longer than most drops for sure. And also because they did it in chunks. But if you put Stranger Things out week to week, that show is going to be talked about all year. The other day, yesterday. I was at an entertainment space in L.A.

and there was a big billboard that was rotating, and it was like, Stranger Things going down as one of the best shows of all time. And I was seeing that, looking at it, thinking like, I don't even hear anybody talking about it being one of the best shows of this year anymore.

Because it's out of that. Because it's out of the conversation. When you bring it up, you go, oh, yeah, it was a phenomenal season. But, like, you're not talking about it. You're talking about these other shows that, like, are going week to week. And, like, I've forgotten about Stranger Thing.

And it's going to be in my top. two or three of the year for sure. But I forgot about it. So I was going through my list. I'm like, I'm like, oh, this, because I just watched severance. And I think that severance is something you watch week to week. Although I, I binged it because I would, I had just missed it.

That's on you though. That's on me. But either way. So I think that that is beneficial to 1923. But we, we digress. I'm looking forward to more of this. Yeah, me too. And I'm curious kind of how everything merges.

Same. All right. So the next one. I was shocked when I saw this on my Netflix Q. So I don't typically watch my next guest, David Letterman, show for no reason other than there's just a lot of interview shows. But he had Zelensky on. And not only did he have Zelensky on, he went to Kiev to interview in an underground train station with a live audience in Ukraine. He had to take like a 16-hour train, a flight, a bus.

He had to like really, and you watch him travel there. This interview is wild. If you have any interest in what Zelensky's day-to-day life looks like, like he goes through what he's doing as what he's doing to protect Ukraine and what he's doing with his family and what he and also has... How long is the interview, Syrahawks? Like an hour and 15 or something, maybe a little longer than that. And also they go to this like comedy club because Zelensky's also a stand-up.

Yeah. Not anymore, but he's a comedian. And so they're watching stand-up. Zelensky's cracking jokes with him, but like jokes about war. Fascinating. Fascinating. So you're highly recommended. If you watch interviews at all or you care about what's going on in Ukraine

or you're interested in his life, this is like must-watch TV. I haven't heard anybody watching it or talking about it. It's a great interview. I watched a lot of them. Not this one particularly, but I've seen, but I know his like the style he's doing with this. It's different than, you know, he has more time to like really get deep with people. and stuff.

And yeah, the Kim Kardashian one was quite interesting. Wow. Oh, I didn't check it out. Yeah, you should see it. All right,

let's see. Next one. I wanted to put this on because, again, what we were just talking about with Stranger Things, shows that kind of come and go and people don't talk about it.

This show is called The Great. I don't know many people watching it, but I do know that Brett is one of them. And as I'm just thinking about the shows that I'm looking forward to next year, this show should be coming out early onish in 2023. Nicholas Hole, L. Fanning,

two incredible performance. Everybody on the show is a great actor, but this show is, if you're looking for something fucking hysterical, this show is hysterical. Like one of the best comedies that's on, and I think because it's a period piece, people are kind of deterred by this.

But I checked out that show Dickinson and nothing against Dickinson, but everybody raved about that show, and nobody talked about this show, and this show is, to me, significantly better. Okay, so that's a great. That's on Hulu. Yeah, it's on Hulu.

All right. Excellent. Next one. So you guys know I've been on a stand-up comedy tear, and Samarelle is somebody who is on my radar. He's on my TikTok all the time, probably because I'm on Jewish TikTok, so he's always popping up.

So I decided when Netflix recommended same time tomorrow to me, which is his special to check it out from this year. It's really, really funny. I'm only recommend, I'm watching so much stand-up for no reason other than I need to laugh right now. I'm only recommending to you guys the ones that, like, make me laugh out loud really good it's very tight he's up and coming i feel like people don't know him as much and if you're looking for somebody who he's poignant but he's not like too

political it's like kind of just funny funny yeah did you watch uh sebastian's yet no my hearing so good okay all right i hear it was excellent yeah i watched the beginning of it was pretty good okay well check this one out and i'll check out sebastian's that's the right show no what is this tomorrow you said tomorrow i didn't yeah something there's Tomorrow. Is this like what you did Wednesday? It said tomorrow. No, same time tomorrow.

What is? Okay, Brett. Brett, let me tell me about tomorrow. What is about tomorrow? Brett's watch this one. Tomorrow it's kind of, it's a spy thriller.

This is obviously it's a foreign show. Right. Cosplayers with a Matrix? Yeah, yeah. But you don't want to, I would say definitely sub, not dubbed on this one. Okay.

And it's really, the twists in this, you don't see coming. Oh, right. And, uh, Stallone cameo, apparently. Yeah, Stone cameo, which is, but then him, like, and he, again, you have to, you have to sub him. Okay. Because you know, you can't understand it.

But what's the, what's the whole thing about the, the elephant and the Cheetah? What's that all about? Wow. You know, that one I'll say, that I want to spoil that one. All right, fine. All right. Let's go. Next one.

I told you guys to watch this and now the whole thing has dropped. Too Hot to Handle is, like, the best. thing we could do in 2022 is make television like this. TV that is hot people who cannot fuck. All right. That's this show. It is just the dumbest premise ever.

And it makes for the best tension. And some of them actually end up falling in love and it's wild. Like I can't I can't believe somebody sat down and was like okay, we're going to make a show. Just everybody's super hot. We're going to tell them they're going there to bone.

Once they get there, they can't bone. And then they get money if they don't bone. And then the kids are so horny that they're like, but we must bone. I don't care. Every time you have sex, you lose $10,000. Can you smash off in the bathroom? No, they, it is recording every.

No, no, no, no, can you. No, can't do any of that. Oh, that's a problem. Nothing. Can't nothing. That's a problem. Oh, yeah, that's a problem. It's a problem for all of them.

Yeah. All of them. Okay, well, that's a problem. And then when any of them do hook up and lose money for everybody else, They get like berated. I mean, people are like, how dare you? Stupid asshole. Yeah, yeah.

All right. So let's see. So we got Paramount. Paramount? Yeah, perfect. 1923. You got two hot to handle. Samarrel, same time tomorrow.

Great. And my next guest with David Letterman, and of course. And of course. Tomorrow. Tomorrow. Yeah, so make sure. What's the tagline on tomorrow? Oh, why?

Why put off today what you can get done tomorrow? That's right. That's right. You know, and I show up and say, hey, you wouldn't be in the money. It was a wizard, the zebra and the elephant. You're a wizard, Harry. What? All right.

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