The Kristian Harloff Show - JOKER: FOLIE A DEUX SPOILER DISCUSSION: Huge disappointment at the box office!

Episode Date: October 7, 2024

In this episode of The Kristian Harloff Show, Kristian Harloff and John Rocha dive deep into a full spoiler discussion of Joker: Folie à Deux. The highly anticipated sequel, starring Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga, had a lot of buzz, but the box office performance turned out to be a huge disappointment compared to early projections. What went wrong? Why didn't Todd Phillips' follow-up hit the same heights as the first Joker film? We break it all down—Joker 2, the Joker Folie à Deux ending, and everything in between. Is it really as bad as the numbers suggest, or is there more to the story? Join us as we cover all aspects of the movie: Joker 2 reviews, Joker Folie à Deux review, the Joker 2 ending, and what this means for DC's future. Don't miss this in-depth discussion! #Joker2 #JokerFolieADeux #JoaquinPhoenix #LadyGaga #ToddPhillips #JokerFolieADeuxReview #Joker2MovieReview #JokerFolieADeuxEnding #MovieReview #DC #dcu #thepenguin #thejoker #joker2 #review #mcu #marvel #comics OUR SPONSORS BILT: http://www.joinbilt.com/BIGTHING AG1: http://www.DRINKag1.com/BIGTHING HELLO TUSHY: 10% off your first bidet order at http://www.HelloTUSHY.com with promo code BIG THING

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Well, it looks like a lot of people were wrong about Joker Folly Adieu or what it was going to do at the box office. Didn't do well, guys, didn't do well at all. And I think there's a lot of people who saw it, people who discussed it. It hurt the box office overall. So not only are John Roker and I going to talk about that,

we're going to really talk about and dive into the spoilers in this movie. So we'll have a section if you haven't seen the movie already. If you're watching live, you're going to have to wait and come back because it's going to be a hearty part of the episode. But then we'll also break into why it failed, what happened, and that and more. We have some more stories and other things coming up. So let's get into it.

Happy Monday to all of you. It is the Christian Harlov Show. It's Monday, myself and John Roker. Here we go. Welcome back. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Monday. And thank you, by the way. We added a whole bunch of new members over the weekend. I noticed that this morning when I logged in.

So to all the new members of the channel, thank you. Let's get to it. It's myself. John Roker, what's up, John? How's your weekend? How's going, man? Good, good. Yeah, full of stuff, full of football, full of movies.

A good weekend overall. How about you? Pretty good. We celebrated my... A bunch of friends went out on Saturday for the... birthday celebration. Happy birthday, oh, thank you so much.

35. How does it feel? That's right. That's right. We had a really good time. It was fun. It was a nice time. It was just chill and it was good.

So my brother was in town. But then the poor guy, he's got to get back to Florida right into the thick of it right now. Yeah. He went back, huh? He did because of his animals and my dad and my mom and everything too. So he had to like, he's, he's, he's. He's got a lot of responsibilities. It's funny because my sister-in-law was like,

maybe we could stay. And then he's like, now we've got too much we've got to do right now. And then it was... Yeah, yeah. So anyway, so that's not fun. But we had a good time. Last night he cooked a sauce.

It was great. It was great. It was a good thing. But yeah, man, we'll talk about the Joker thing. We're going to get into spoilers and we'll do all that. And I will say, next last week, dude, nobody... Even though both Steph and Mike and Winston and Coy, they put in a hell of a fight, but they didn't touch the champ.

I think you were 132 or something, whatever it was, 131, 132. Whatever that was, unbeaten for that week. So we'll see if you can do it again here today to set the week. What did I tell you? I know. Once you actually started playing the game, it got dangerous. All right, here we go. let's get into this first story here john because it's going to be a lot of this stuff that we're

discussing with not only the um you know the box office and all that but it's it's the overall spoilers of the show which i think is the movie which i think is important to the conversation of why the movie ultimately just didn't do well so yes here is the story itself first let's talk about this and the joker sequel does more because box office. Brutal. To even compare, in comparison is

brutal. There's going to be some heads rolling at Warner Brothers pictures as Joker Folly a doo-doo following the film's disastrous domestic debut. The film was projected to take in

around $100, $120 million in mid-August. Those productions were getting lower and lower as we get closer to release. Early yesterday, those numbers suggested a 47 million star, but that was before the film pledged 45

percent from opening day on Saturday. Now, with the numbers in, the film is coming in with the domestic weekend debut of just 39 million. That's on par with the infamous Sony flop Morbius. It's also one of the lowest sequel openings in memory to a major franchise film based on a comic book and staggeringly lower than its predecessor, which debuted to 96.2 million. Internationally, the news is relatively similar. The film pulled in 81.1 million in overseas markets down considerably from the 140. 5 debut of the first film. Fingers are being pointed. One strong suggesting being the film should not have gone to Venice and just opened on its own with reviews held until release. Then it could have seen a bigger debut. Outside of this film, the Wild Robot was in second with 18.7 drop of 48%. Beetlejuice was third again, 10.3 million and has hit 400 million worldwide.

Transformers 1 was 4th with 5.4 and Speak No Evil was 32.6. Lions Gate is continuing their streak of box office bus. White Bird debuted in seventh place, 1.53, while Francis Ford Coppola's Megalopolis is tracking for just $1 million in its second weekend. That's not too bad considering the first weekend at four. It's not that. And it's not the least in, at least it didn't drop into the, you know, the hundreds. So let's discuss. Let's start with this story with the Joker, because this is almost catastrophic, wouldn't you say?

Oh, yeah, 100%. I mean, I'm sure they had all kinds of plans. for this one. And to have it come off this way, I mean, this is such a, this is flash level of disappointment and shock and just utterly like going like, what the hell happened here? And how could they make so many colossal mistakes with this film to have it turn out the way it turned out? And even more so compared to the first one.

Like it makes the first one even more of an anomaly than it already was. was, which is fascinating when you look at this kind of thing. And now there's videos coming out where people are posting lip reading subtitles to interactions that Gaga and Joaquin Phoenix added Venice. And there were reports coming out that Hawkeen apparently dragged Todd Phillips halfway halfway through the screening, dragged him out of the theater to berate him for the film, basically saying that the film wasn't good and he knew it wasn't good. and so there's apparently all kinds of drama around that.

So, man, this is like, it's such a colossal mess up by Warner Brothers. At a time when they've been shaking already, Christian, with a lot of their decisions, you know? Well, yeah, it's when you, the problem is when you're coming off of this major success, Oscar winning performance from Joaquin Phoenix. Yeah. It made a billion, didn't it, or close to it? Yeah, a billion.

Yeah, made over a billion dollars. And, you know, I think that what happened, and this is where we're going to get into spoilers for people who haven't seen the movie, who haven't seen the movie. I think that the studio gave notes. I think that the people got too loud in other people's ears about how you're glorifying this guy and making this guy a, you know. And they went, you know what? Okay, well, we don't want it to do that. So what we're going to do this time, we're going to make Arthur. we're going to first of all we'll total negate the end of the movie when he kills the doctor

yeah it's the whole point of the movie it kills brutally that lets you know that one of two things one he is just so far gone he is joker now ain't no coming back how they're going to figure this out in the second movie if they have one that's for one or it's all going on in this guy's mind he doesn't know what the hell's happening right so both of those now you get to and they don't even address it so the second part of the latter might still been the option but they don't address it and it doesn't seem like that's the case because they pretty much admit that he has he did all the other murders he killed his mom he killed the he killed the people on the train he killed the denierre he killed the co-working so that's all of that but now he has stepped back from being the joker

and he's arthur again and it's like we saw that movie and i and the way i said this in on capes and was that it's like what they did with John Boyega in from the Force Awakens into last Jedi the Force Awakens he's he's he's scared he's gonna go he's gonna go into I'm I'm I'm done with being scared I'm gonna fight you Kyla Rand and now when the next movie comes I'm there for Ray and I'm gonna be a badass and then they just turn him back into who he was in the first in the beginning of the so seven they've done the same thing here and that was one of the things among others what do you think think about those points yeah I think you're 100% right Christian the colossal mistake

here made not connecting the character arc from the first movie into the second movie. And look, they had an opportunity. The whole scene with him and Steve Coogan is the opportunity to connect the tissues and connect the storylines, whether, and say, wait, how did you get to this point? How did you go from a guy who was enjoying murdering all these people? You brutally killed this doctor. And now you're in this place where you're questioning if the Joker is an alternate person. personality, you're a, you're a bipolar person possibly, or you have schizophrenia. How did we get to

hear, right? And you have a lawyer the whole time was just saying the society has messed him up and he's got mental issues. But that isn't strong enough. And to me, it's very similar to multiverse of madness. Wanda was already villainous in Wanda Vision with what she was doing by controlling people's minds and doing terrible things there against people's wills and stopping them from seeing their families and then you go into multiverse of madness and she's still the same villain it's like wait she learned the lesson at the end of one division why is she doing this all over again so to me it's a colossal mess up to make those kinds of mistakes with um storylines and with big name directors like todd phillips and sam ramy so it's frustrating when you see it it makes the audience

it makes them feel like the audience is dumb because it's like oh they won't care well of course they care and it's like well you know what we want to do we don't want to glorify this guy so we're gonna now put him back to where he was. You can't do that because that's not what you are going to cat-prade it. It's not what you did in the first movie. And then I'm going to jump right to the end of this thing. Because the ending was the stupidest part of the whole movie.

Because I wasn't hating the movie. There were some people who just hated it all the way through. I didn't because I didn't. Yeah, the music itself, there were sometimes music just didn't work. And it was distracting and it went on too long. There are other times like, okay, it's inside

of his head. he and this isn't even maybe it's not his idea he's just singing a song because he's in love he met this woman in this musical class it's their way of coping okay even though it's a bit silly that she lights the thing on fire and no one's paying attention to her go over there lighted on fire when she was apparently in there for arson or maybe she wasn't but if she'd put herself in there in the first play I'll let it go um because we we get to the end where for some reason she just he just decides he doesn't want to be joker anymore and he bail and he bailes on it it and then she decides that she doesn't like him anymore.

And the original apparently there was another ending where she killed him on it. And they shot this where... No way that happened. Yeah, no way. And so she was singing up the stairs and she became the one that that would have caused people to lose their minds in general. But then he goes and he goes back to Arkham and then this guy that they've been setting up, the whole freaking movie, who's that guy, enough close up on him, that he kills him in

the hallway. And then he's sitting on the foot. It was so stupid. He's just staring at him like this. He! And then he cuts the Heath Ledger thing into his mouth. And he starts laughing like, oh, well, that's the real Joker. Pardon my French, but fuck you.

Yeah, yeah. And please, please, for the love of God, miss me with this nonsense that it's a commentary on. Yes, he alludes to it being a commentary on celebrity culture and on movements and on fallible leaders of movements. because look, he didn't seek to become a leader of the movie. He stumbled into it at the end of the Joker, for sure. But like you said, Christian, him killing that doctor is him accepting the movement, accepting where he's going. So this idea that now it's all too heavy, it's all too much.

I don't want to be Joker anymore. It's not for me. And he never really was. He never really was. He never really was. Right, right. And Lee or Harley, whatever you want to call her for this movie, who is severely underwritten, all of a sudden turns her back on.

him and just like it's just so i get what todd was trying to go for and i get what these people are fabricating in their mind happened in the movie but it didn't the execution is where it failed and that's where you don't you walk away from this going well no you didn't really make that strong of a point you thought you were going to make and yeah the the overuse of the musical stuff it was i liked it initially and then it just became a crutch it was a gimmick it was a gimmick after a little little bit. And I think that what it felt like to me after a while, I said, oh, they got roped into doing a sequel because they made so much money. They didn't want to do it. The locks were too loud on the door. And then they told him, do what you want to do. And Joaquin says, just kill me this time.

Just kill me off sometime. Right, right. He doesn't care enough about the character. I mean, as far as like the, I don't want to say about the character in general, because I will say, I think for what he put into it, he, he wasn't half-assing the performance. The performance is great. I just think that what they did with the story in the overall is yes it is the first movie is radically different from the joker that you know but they got there in a way that was kind of unique crazy disturbing and it was like yeah okay fine you want to kill him off you want to do something but you get it but this is this guy has transcended into this lunatic by the end of the first one like that's who people are going to see in that sequel because you want to go how does he get out does she is get does she make him escape but the whole thing then it's just the truanty I'll tell you my favorite scene in the whole movie though you want to guess it at one scene puddles Gary puddles those puddles is pretty good that's a good scene but no the scene for me was the dream sequence when he was in and I might have been a musical number two when he was in the courtroom and he's just malleting people with the and it because to me I was like okay fine you want

to be in the musical you want to see kind of him the him getting to that point where he is that's the guy that we saw in the first one and look he doesn't have to win as I said Because I think that that's the misconception. It's like, well, you just want a lunatic to do this? He doesn't have to win. He just needs to be the same character that was set up in the first movie and be like, well, we got too many notes. And this time the studio doesn't want it to be the bad guy wins.

So because the bad guy does kind of win. If you look at the new Joker, he still wins. And poor Arthur is just such a sad sack anyway that he just is laying there and, you know, doesn't have the girl of his dreams anymore. And he just, I don't understand what his point was. anymore. Well, that's the thing. And I think you hit on it a few minutes. I'm sorry, I haven't talked about it yet, but I think you're 100% right. And I said this in my non-spoiler review. It almost feels like an apology for the first movie. It is frustrating. Not because we

want in cells to win. Don't be ignorant. It's more a matter of the fact that you set up the joker to be this thing. And guess what? This thing actually exists in the world. How do you deal with this thing? How do you fight this thing? How do you counter this? thing. And to me, that's where the, the magic of the second movie could have really existed in is the ugly, uncomfortable truth that there are millions of people like this. And so for you to present him as this flaccid guy who's questioning who he is and somehow trying to redeem him in some fucked up way and by and then end up killing him as if he's had some sort of redemption because he's accepted what he's done, I thought was ridiculous,

absolutely ridiculous and undercut. You almost make fun of everybody who liked the first movie. Why kowtow to those people who completely misread the first movie and cried about it being an in-so-wet dream? He is a criminal throughout the movie. Yeah, exactly. In the same way that Jordan Belfort, and it's the same thing.

Tony and Brano, too. These are criminals. Michael Corleone, these are fucking criminals. Just because they're presented with charm, doesn't mean they're not still criminals. and to the people who get sucked up into loving them, you don't have to cater to the people who love them in spite of their criminal.

It says if you're making a story that everyone responds to and you look and when I see the movie, which I loved that movie, right? The first one. And I look at it and I go, that is a really troubled, disturbed, bad dude who did some, you know, he came in a play. There are other people out there

who have been put in situations that were challenged and all these things and they decided they went a better route and they took, you know, they didn't take the maniacal easy way out. They went, they had to figure it out. This guy snapped, lost his mind with this. And you're like, wow, that is how a madman was created. In the same way that when you're watching a Netflix dock on one of these lunatics,

you don't go, ooh, that's something I want to do. You go, wow, how did that per, like, look at even the Vince McMahon stuff that we'll talk about, which is a different thing. You watch what Vince McMahon is doing. You don't go, you know, the reason why people are watching that is that because, oh, I want to be just like Vince. Now, there are people like that, by the way. There are people out there going, oh, look what he did.

I can be powerful like that too. And they're just as effed up as them. So, but it doesn't take away. You set up the movie. You gave us this movie. We responded to it the way we were going to respond to it. And then you said, no, it feels like, and someone said in the comment section, and I agree. This feels like the studio said, we have to do it different this time.

Yeah. Mistake. Look, and the $40 million opening says you effed up. Yeah. And think about this also. Christian, if you had gone the route of him accepting being this thing and being this maniac and psychopath and sociopath, then the scene with puddles carries so much more weight. Yes.

Because puddles, in essence, says to him, you have become the thing that you hated. You have now allowed yourself in a desperate bid to reclaim your life and have power. you have now become the thing that you hated. Now you are the one who is hurting other people. You are the one who is stepping on other people who are trying to just live in their life. You are now the bully. You are now the angry movement destroying people

and hurting people. Is this what you want to represent? Then that back and forth would have so much more. If it was the opening, if it was the opening of the movie, if you have one or two scenes, that's the musical number. Then you're like, oh, it's not known to say it's a musical. you'd go, there were two crazy numbers. Like, even the opening, I didn't mind.

Like, when he, with the animation, when he did that, because they didn't even go back to that shadow thing. They didn't even go, they just kind of visited once. I said, oh, is that what the movie's going to be? But if they started it out with that puddle scene, that's the first scene, and then the thing blows off, and then he's got to be figuring out how to be the Joker on the street doing this version of it.

And what you could do if you were Warner Brothers is say, all right, you know what we can't have, is he just can't be the only one that is in the front. We've got to have someone that either takes him out. We've got to have somebody good to root for this time. That's a different conversation. If you're going to have someone good to root for this time and someone who's

ultimately maybe challenged, maybe like a Donnie Brasco type character. You know, a guy who's who is absolutely challenged and a guy who is not totally a good guy and gets sucked into it, has to take down the joke or whatever it might be.

That's the stupid version of it. But there's so many ways that you could have done it that you didn't hurt it. And by the way, there's a revised number that just came out for the opening. 37.8 is what it did. That is a people, they said in the article, people are going to have to pay for this

in Warner Brothers. Yeah, and you could have even set up if you really, look, if you really want to destroy the N-cell thing, you could have had Harley be the hero of the movie. And have her, because remember,

The thing is that she possibly checked herself into Arkham, and maybe she did it because she wanted to destroy Joker for what he had done. Maybe someone he had killed, something, the riots had killed her family. So in essence, she blames him for what happened. Right. So she's in there to maneuver and manipulate herself into a position to kill him. So when she kills him at the end with that's entertainment, that could have carried so much more weight, which was one of the possible alternate endings.

That would have carried even more weight. But of course, the men would have lost their minds that a strong woman killed their in-cell hero, some man, rather. But I think that could have been a much more interesting complex film that asked questions of you and ask questions of our society like the first one did. Yeah, I think they just, and if you're going to do it this way, this goes, this is very similar to our conversation about the accolent, where you're going to say, if you have a. a certain, you know, where, like, and this is, and I actually think the Acolyte had more of a case to say, well, we know who we're going after for this show, who our audiences. And then it's on the executives to say, well, okay, fine, we're giving you $40 million instead of $230 million, right? But this, like, well, who's your audience?

The same audience as last time? Bullshit. That's, it isn't. And then, well, how much do you need this time, Todd? $200 million. Who's making these decisions? Plus the fact, and it said it in the article, which I agree. Screening it in Venice was a big mistake. Oh, yeah.

Huge mistake. Like, this is one of those things where they screened it first at Venice, got bad buzzed. And then what they did is they screened it. Because I was talking about this the other day. Warner Brothers has done this thing now where they put, and I don't necessarily, even though we're on the other side of it, I kind of understand the argument of they put more value in the influencer and fan screen. first before people who are, you know, the traditional press, if you will, right?

Right, right. Right. So even yourself, you went and you're not the only person to do this. There's tons of people who wanted to get their reactions out first. They went and saw a fan screening because the press. Yeah. Yeah. There was only 15 people in my fan screening when I went, an IMAX.

In fan screening. And then, but what backfired is the fans went, P.U. Yes. And they wanted, and Beetlejuice was the opposite. They got the fans in there to see it first, and the fans went, this is great. And then the critics will, no, no, it's none. They just shut up, critics. But this time, everybody agreed, $37 million opening.

Oops. And what's crazy is that Joaquin should absolutely be in consideration. I'm digging how you're saying his name today, by the way. Joaquin. Joaquin should absolutely be in consideration for a best actor nomination. Really? Incredible throughout the movie. The movie itself maybe wasn't great, but he himself, he himself.

his performance. I mean, first of all, getting so emaciated, he's on Christian Bale machinist level. It was insane. But then the way he navigates the journey that they're telling, whether the journey works or not overall, ultimately for what had happened in the previous movie, that's a separate conversation we had. But the performance, I think, is incredible. And I see some people going like, Gaga should get nominated. It's an underwritten role. It wasn't enough for her to do, I think, to be nominated, but certainly Joaquin was incredible throughout the movie in the interactions

and the things he did in the film that I thought were... He was good. He was good. And he, like, I never felt like anybody in the movie was phoning it in, right? No, no. No. And, you know, and then the other scene is that I just I think was excessive and not necessary was when

the guards take him into the bathroom and they hint that it's a kind of an assault, but it's like, why do you want to make it feel like Shawshank all of a sudden? like, you know, what? And then the whole, Brendan Gleason was singing when the Saints come marching in the whole time. And then I guess it's the whole thing is that they turn it around on him at the end.

They start singing it. But even it's like little things like that that drive me crazy. Like there's one scene where Joaquin jumps up on the table after one of the trials and he's still in Joker mode and he jumps up on the tables. The guards don't do anything to him. They let him do it. And then another guy jumps up and they go after him and they go get off that table. And another guy comes like, get off the table.

Meanwhile, Waukeen's just standing there. I was like, why don't you get the guy that started jumping on the table? It's like little things like that. Where I'm like, what are we doing? It's like I didn't understand. I didn't understand how this movie could have been so good. And a broken record, John, you make this movie for $60 or $70 million. Oh, 100%.

That's it. 100%. Yeah. Even Catherine Kina, right, Christian? She was good. But what's the point? What's the point of that role? Yes.

Why did she take the case? What's the interest in here? Why is she trying to? And then once he fires her, why doesn't, like, if all you were leading up to was her being fired by the Joker in the court, what was the point of all that? And the judge is going to let the Joker get away with all this stuff. That's the thing that it becomes like just too much suspension of disbelief when you're watching it.

And again, I want to go back to this because I can see some. people probably because I can't see the comments but I've seen people say oh it's a commentary about how a society treats the mentally ill and how prison systems aren't set up to help that yes we all fucking know that yeah I don't think there's many people fighting for this movie though yeah I don't think there's many people fighting for this movie I think that there are people who are going to make some kind of argument for it but I don't think there's a lot of people fighting for it because it seems like most people are this like what you guys do you had it's like it's like they

had it and then they just dropped the ball it's like it's like it's like it's like the Mets. The Mets had the Phillies. Dead to Rights last night. Hey! Didn't do it. Todd Phillips got to answer some questions on this one. And I wonder if those questions would be like, hey, we had an idea of what we wanted to do. I got a lot of notes

from Warner Brothers. So I changed some stuff up. But I do think more so what it was is that this is what happens when a movie makes a billion dollars. They say, well, the director knows what he's doing. Star knows what he's doing. Here you go. Here's your 200 million dollars. Go do it. Bring us back a billion

dollars and him and wakine go this is the last one we're doing we got paid we make a billion dollars great good for us if not not going to hurt you at all wakene not going to hurt lady gaga it might hurt Todd phillips and might hurt him on this one this i think this big of a loss might hurt him because he was coming off of a big big win on that on that billion dollars but the thing at least if it would have just cracked even but this is going to be a big loss john well i mean if you look at Todd phillips uh resume he's not really good with sequel. Terrible with sequels. So maybe next time, Todd, don't do the sequel.

Hand it off to another director while you executive produce it and let them bring it to life. I mean, it would have been really interesting to do Joker 2 with a different director and see where they would have taken it and taken this character. But maybe walking wouldn't have come back if it wasn't under Todd's. I think that's what he said. To an Oscar and whatever. So yeah, but still, yeah, don't do any more sequels, Todd. That being said, I'll say this, man.

I think, you know, directors fail all the time. Certainly if you make a billion dollars great. I mean, Ridley, look at Ridley's. I mean, it's hit or miss with Ridley all the time. People love Ridley's got so much. So it's a matter of like, okay, what are you going to do next? How are you going to? Bounce back?

Kind of redeem yourself. So we'll see. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, this business is they love you when they love you and they hate you when they hate you. And it's always, and I say this because I'm not even there anymore, but what Hollywood is a, what have you, done for me lately town it is that's always been like that so it's like oh yeah but look what he did a couple years ago yeah but look what he did with joker too and now and now he's got to climb back out

of the hole they do give you a chance to if you do two of them you're in big trouble i don't understand how what's his name rupert uh who is i was getting confused everett and wyatt right the the the one who did uh yeah just did crow well that guy how he keeps getting work i have no idea that guy keeps getting more he isn't at it yeah you and i have directed more hits than him come on on stage at least we got so but i some people just yeah rupert sanders a scene is rubit sanders is that did the crow snow white no white okay and the ghost in the show one that was white right so that that movie it doesn't matter what it was washed it was washed was washed with poop because it was it was terrible and everything else is terrible um it's it's it and so you

He's just good in the room, I guess. Yeah, maybe. Who knows? Another movie cost $80 million. This is stupid. But the Crow, the Joker, all these are movies that are just not performing. And I can't believe it because we all thought, I mean, Joker was one of my most highly anticipated. There was a great trailer.

They cut a great trailer out of that first one. It was top five for me. Yeah. Yeah. And so what did they do overall with this? Because if you look at it, like I said, I went and I wanted. And I was because I had heard I went and I did see it at the press screening so I'm already coming off of like I saw your thing. I saw everybody something like really okay. Let's see and I'm watching it and I'm like look I don't know

This movie's fine so far and I said to myself it depends on how it ends if this movie ends real strong Then they have a chance to make it all kind of interweave and then boom hit you at the end Strong ending maybe it's a strong film was not a strong ending it was a terrible ending made the and it made everything else that much worse it was like Rocky fighting Tommy Morrison in the street instead of the ring fight it yeah yeah you guys died Lily Lily loved the first movie my she loved Joker the first movie stuff was really interesting and what the commentary it was making so she was excited to see this one and like you Christian the first two parts of the movie we were kind of curious and interested in seeing where it's going to lead to and then

that third part happens and by the end we're both looking at each other she looks at me as the credits are going and she goes, are you sitting here because you think there's a post credit scene? There's no post credit scene, babe. This is the ending. And you got to deal with it. And we walked out. So yeah. Totally right. Yeah, because there's nothing to it. It was like, no, we did. We did what we did. This is our movie. Take it or leave it. And people left it. People left it. 37 million for an opening weekend for that. That's, yeah, people are going to get in trouble for that one. And rightfully so. It's like the decisions need to be. Because this is a different thing, though because I will say this even though it's

$200 million, which I think is too much. I understand when a movie makes a billion dollars and they go, hey, last one made a billion, people love it. They're going to do a lot of the same thing. And let's go for. Yeah, of course. I get it. I still think it's

a mistake, but I get it more so than just something out of the gate giving $200 million for because they're going to get the first one to a billion, but it's the same conversation of these other movies that hit $2 billion, or hit a billion before 2020. It's a different time. It's a different time.

Christian, after Dune Part 2 and after Godzilla, which overperformed, right? Challenders underperformed, Furiosa underperformed, the Watchers underperformed, Horizon underperformed, Twisters was a surprise hit, trap underperformed, blink twice isn't doing well, Beaterjuice did well, and then you have Joker fully ado, which has fallen apart. So, like,

this is a tough year for Warner Brothers. Was Twisters Warner Bros? Yeah. Really? It was distributed. Oh, it's international distribution only. Sorry, it's co-production with Universal Pictures, but it's listed under that. Right.

So even, right, the one, like, modest hit that they have. Isn't even there. Yeah, they've had some loss. They've had some losses this time around. And I think it's decisions and maybe it changes differently. And maybe this is one of the reasons they're putting. So, like, this is why they should not get involved. Just let Gun do his thing.

And if it does, if his first movie doesn't work, then try to get involved. But they already talking about Zoloft getting involved by saying, hey man, we like Pattinson. Put him in there. Put him in there. It's like, oh, no. We want to see more Pattinson, but not if Gunn doesn't think he should be the DCU Batman. I don't know.

And that was the other thing is that they, at one point, they were, you know, I remember after the first Joker came, I was wondering if this could combine into a connected universe and the thing it's like no this is this is obviously the last time we'll ever see walking Phoenix obviously uh last there was there was spin off talk of gaga as harley quint that will never happen and has nothing to do with her i thought she was i thought she was great in the role yeah i thought she was great but underwritten role she did fine i know wasn't any you though saying like the roles that she's taking their agents is just there's she a bad agents man i'm just can i'm concerned because she is she is getting really good as an actress

People like, oh, she's great. No, Star is born. She's still figuring it out as an actor. And you're watching it as an actor, watching an actor. You can see the beats. Regardless if you're good or not, if you're remotely decent at being an actor, you can see the beats. But then when she got to House of Gucci, which also underperformed, by the way, was a disappointment, you see her growing more confident.

This is a film where she understood how to play the really quiet moments. and she was able to go through multiple emotions in scenes in micro ways that show you she is becoming a very good actress. Of course, she could bring emotion to her music, but to the screen, as Madonna will tell you, is a whole different thing. And I thought she has become really great. It's just a shame that these two really high-profile films,

How Suguchi and Joker, have both underperformed, which to me featured damn good performances from her. Yeah, I don't think she should be judged on it. I mean, it is also. It is also one of those, and I think that the catch-22 is that, as we've talked about many times over, that there's not really a lot of actors that put butts in seats in the way that they did years ago, right? It elevates, it helps a movie. They're like, well, who's in it? Oh, so-and-so's in it.

Great. But what's it about? That's usually the question. As it back in the day, well, the new Will Smith movie's coming out. The new Tom Cruise movie is coming out. The new, whoever is coming out. The new Julie Roberts movie is coming out. and people would just go see it because the new person,

because that person was a movie star. Well, now it's more about, you know, the thing that they're in. So I hope it's one of these things that doesn't happen where studios are like, well, the last couple things she was in, haven't performed very well, it's Lady Gogh. She's very, she's very good, she's very talented. And I thought the two of them were engaging. I just the whole time I was saying,

oh man, I wish this was a different story. Yeah, I wish this was a different story. So I don't know. Is there anything else, spoiler-wise, that we can really tab-me. We hit the ending. We hit like this stuff. I think the, as you, I think you, yeah, go ahead. I think the mistake of bringing Harvey Dent into the movie when you weren't going to do anything. Harvey Dent? You mean, an 18-year-old Harvey Dent? Who was that guy? Yeah. So it's such a mistake on so many levels. I mean, that's a big, big character. You don't just bring him in happenstance. And I just thought that was super frustrating tonight. give it again not give any backstory to harvey dent and why he is determined to take down the joker and make him pay for his crimes and look i get it simplistically he's a d a and it's his job yawn give me something interesting about this guy for why he's so fervently going after the joker is it to you know for his career is he trying is he being part of the system that's trying to destroy a mentally ill person like there's a lot more that could have been explored here again

with another notable character from the Batman universe that they just kind of brushed over. Well, look at the way they did it with Thomas Wayne in the first one, right? I thought they did that. It was interesting on how they did that with the hinting of he thinks that he's the kid, but he's not really his kid,

but he's so warped that he is. And just like, get the hell out of here. And like the way that they made all that play, that was like so sad and yet, you know, disturbing and you get to see young Bruce and all this stuff. And the way that the younger Albert,

which I think was great. And they played it. This almost seems so detached. They're like, we've got to make it seem like it. I will put Harvey dead in there. Well, okay, and you know what we're going to do sometimes? Sometimes we're going to call it Gotham, and sometimes we'll call it New York. Why?

Well, because. Oh, okay. Do you notice that? Sometimes they call it in New York and sometimes they call it Gotham. Well, what is it? Which one is it? I leaned over, and I was like, wait, what? What is it?

It's New York, it's Gotham. The people in New York. Oh, is it because Gotham's a part of New York, the state? Is that what it's supposed to be? When is that? when was that a thing? He's like, no, it's supposed to be a different... It's just disappointing, man.

It does get worse and worse the more you think about it. So, anyway, we've got more to talk about. I'm very curious of what you guys think about here with all your thoughts, spoilers, put him in the comments, put him in the live chat. John is already at 25 questions trying to hit his 132 from last week.

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Let's do it. I just, I get so bummed right now with the way that these things are working out for us because I want to have a story where I'm like, listen to that's great news. And this could have been that great news. This could have been that, oh, my God, they're finally doing it. But this is more of a skeptical thing. And I'm not going to speak for you. You might feel differently.

But we've got Ewan McGregor. was said that more Obi-Wan is being explored. So let's see what this is. I think this is at L.A. Comic-Con this week. Hey, there I am. Earlier this year, Ewan McGregor said he's up for more appearances as Jadenaite, Obi-Wan Kenobi following, reprising his role from the prequel trilogy in the series in 2022.

That series took place halfway approximately nine years before the events of the original Star Wars movie, which leaves plenty of time from McGregor's character to have interactions on and off Tatouine. In April, McGregor said there's been no phone calls to me from Locust Film or Disney saying, let's do another one before reiterating. It was designed as a limited series. That said, he added, I'm sure we'll do more.

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albeit still mostly positive. Time is on their side. McGregor, currently 53, comes nine years younger than Al-Qaeda was when he shot the original Star Wars. The news comes as Star Wars on Disney is rumored to be scaling back on one live-action series a year, with the second and final season of Andor expected to be that title in 2025 in the second season of Osco likely in 2026.

There's also a Landau project in development, So it's not clear when it might go forward. Okay. So what I will say, what I don't want to do is just lead with the fact of, sure, but we have the same team that's running this, so what's going to change differently, right? I want to go the optimistic route here. And I want to say, okay, you know what,

let's look at it maybe and let's say, and or has gotten different kind of responses than our other shows have been getting. There has been mentioned the people that wanted to see, a more and or like more mature, well-written series of Obi-1 that we didn't really do. Let's do that for the second one, and let's do it for Clone Wars. If they do that, if they get Hayden, they get him, and they do a little bit more, and they really combine that, they could really have something special

and redeem that season, and you hope for it. However, I do feel that Faloni is their own worst enemy when it comes to this, because I think he's just going to make another animated series come to life, which the animated series are great, but it doesn't play in live action. Yeah. What do you do? Like, do you ignore the Reva storyline? Do you ever come back for one or two?

There's no reason to. There's no reason to. I know, well, I know it isn't a reason. Yeah, I mean, to me, I, there's a lot of lessons I think they're learning from what had happened over the last few years. And I don't mean going the diversity route. It's more a matter of going the quality route. And so there's now a matter of like, okay, we see what's happening.

How do we fix this thing? That's what I hope is happening, these discussions behind the scenes, because they've taken too many Ls, no matter how much they try to lie to themselves. They've taken too many Ls here recently. So you've got to reevaluate things. I think another Canovi series would be a lot of fun, especially with the way that one ended with Quigon coming in. And so now we've got that as a possibility.

All right. But now you start messing around. around with Vader, right? And this is where it becomes dangerous. The fans certainly want to circle jerk and get excited about Obi-Wan seeing Vader again or having interactions, but now you start messing with something that is kind of precious to a lot of Star Wars fans, and that is the separation between Kenobi and Vader that led to what happens in a new hope. If you start to have them constantly seeing each other in different ways, I think there's going to be issues. And so the idea of bringing back christensen flashbacks certainly that's a lot of fun seeing it live

action what if they did a clone war series like they'd have to deage them obviously but well fine do that but then it's not a season two is it because then it's a completely different season well it wouldn't be he did I don't know if he necessarily said even a season two I think you just said bring him re-teaming them like yeah this is something of them teaming back and do and maybe if and look you could do a season two it's just if you just call it Obi-one it's like almost like an anthology thing that you're doing but it's still Obi-1 he could like kung fu where he's going into different yeah i i think that would be the better way to do it i mean

you listen to i mean where that's that the problem is they dropped the ball with vader they just they dropped the ball with him because the and this is even the original screenwriter from the the movie had said this the his whole basis of why he did the film and the story itself was the thing that i was saying back on jedi counsels like you can people like why would you have vader i remember arguing with Campi about this. Why would you have Bader in there? It makes no sense. I said it makes all the sense in the world because of the return of the Jedi. He says, Obi-Wan once felt as you did. And you never saw that. He's like, when did you see it? And Sith? No, you never saw it. You never saw him try to get him back. And even in the new series, he didn't really even see

to try him. That's what the whole basis should have been. No other inquisitors, nobody else. It's just this guy who is just tortured by the idea that his friend, his mentor, and he failed as a freaking mentor, and now he's got to guard this kid, and he's obsessed with guarding the kid, until he finds out that his friend is still alive. And in his head, he goes, wait a minute, not only I can reunite him with his kid, I can get him back, I can go and do this, I'm going to bring him back. They're still good in him. I can feel it.

And then he goes, and then he's more machine now than man. And it all makes sense, but they didn't do that. And I don't understand how they didn't do that. That's why I'm saying, I don't think Valoni's as good as everybody thinks he is. Because if he's the guy, if he's the guy, how does he not say, this is what we should do? If a stupid ass like me is thinking of that and other people are thinking that, come on, man. Like that's a no-brainer. You would have had people losing their minds in a story like that.

But I don't know why they need to change things up. And the same way, the Joker. Why did you change it up? Just go. It's what's working. Yeah. Sometimes being creatively bold is actually going with the thing that's, working and enjoying what's happening and taking the criticism from the really loud progressive

voices in the fandom because guess what it's working and that's a good thing for you as a business and you're creating content that millions and millions of people want to watch it yeah and the millions and it look it doesn't mean that there isn't legitimate criticism certainly i've been on that side of some of the stuff, but there's a way to do it that you understand the criticism, but then you work within what you've got and make it happen. Follone, bringing in Little Leia and bringing in Reva. I thought Reva was a good character, completely unnecessary in the Canova series. Little Leia was cool. I love the idea of it. Completely unnecessary in the Canoby series. This is about Obi-Wan and Vader. Give the fans what they want. Exist in that realm,

make it happen in that way. And I think people would have come out of that series, loving it so much more than they did. And I know there are some people who really love it, Laura Kelly on the, on the Star Wars shows, on our Star Wars shows, loves the Canobey series. But there is an opportunity to do so much more with these two guys battling. And then you'd hear from the progress, oh, great,

we've got to watch two white men battling out. Who cares? Those are the characters. Let them have, let this is what people want to see. And they've loved. And so give them what they want. And you can bring in new characters that aren't white. You could do Jedi.

You can do other things, but you have to make it center around the core of the story that people care about. Right. And I think that it just, like I said, I just don't know. I agree with that article and everybody else. You and McGregor, if he's going to come back, that's the one reason I go, okay, give him another shot because he's so damn good in it. I agree. He's so damn good in it. And he loves playing the role.

And if you can see him and Hayden Christians and together again, doing something together if it works. But I don't, but I don't, I'm with you, though. I think that they had their opportunity to redeem that story with Vader or continue it and make it seem as it goes into Jedi. And they blew it. So now you got to just do stuff where he's protecting Luke and make it the story where he's protecting Luke. I set you up and you blew it. A hundred percent. They did.

They absolutely. That was about as slam dunk as it gets. And where in the world, though, how do you justify? And I get it. And this was during COVID, by the way. But how do you justify that that series costs, what, $80 million or whatever it did? And then you get a $230, $230, $230 million stink bomb in the accolades? How do you justify that?

Yeah. Like this is a slam dunk where they should have done real locations and waited. waited for I don't know but either way hopefully they redesign things and they kind of maneuver around

like Marvel's been doing that but try to they've been trying to maneuver but I saw you tweet something out and then I saw an article of what you were talking about I seem to be on the same page as you

oh my God no but this one but let's let's let's read it okay Sam Ramey could potentially direct Dr. Strange 3. Filmmaker Sam Ramey is returning to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Jeff the In Snyder Schneider is reporting that Marvel Studios has all but closed a deal that will see Sam Ramey return as a director of a third Dr. Strange film. Ramey, who directed the original Spider-Man trilogy at Sony, joined the MCU at 2022's Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Ramey replaced Erickson, Scott Derrickson, who directed the first and steered a sequel to a nearly $1 billion gross, making one of the studio's biggest post endgame success stories aside from Deadpool and Wolverine and Spider-Man and Spider-Man. No other details are given about the third film or where it would go into production, but it could quite possibly serve as one of the film's opening between or just after the next two Avenger entries, along with the four Spider-Man.

The second film had an end-credit sequence, including Clea, played by Charlie Sterron. It's not clear if she'll return at this point. John, you hate this. I hate this because Sam Ramey is a dated filmmaker. And look, I know a lot of people talk about how nice of a guy he is. So I'm trying to separate the man from the work, right? Everybody talks about Scott Derrickson tweeted out, how nice of a guy he is. Rumors are that Rachel McAdams is going to be the star of the new horror film he's doing.

I think all the thing I hear about Sam is that is a really nice guy. So all respect to Sam Ramey. But that multiverse of madness was a crock of shit. I absolutely hated that movie. I've seen it three times now. It's almost in BVS territory where I just hate watch it for how bad it is. And I just don't get what people love about Dutch angles, Bruce Campbell being in the MCU,

the ridiculous 90s approach to filmmaking that we've moved past. And it's just so utterly frustrating. And the insult of that story essentially repeating what we'd already seen in Wanda Vision, because Michael Waldron didn't bother to watch the series and either did Ramey. And so it's just massively frustrating that they're going to give him another shot. And I see, I saw people responding going, well, that's the fault of the writers and the producers and Fygie, as if Sam Ramey is like a hired kid out of college that isn't going to have his own opinion on shit and hasn't worked in franchises like, oh, I don't know, his own evil dead and Spider-Man

and understands how to get what he needs out of the situation and said he had creative control. over that movie. So to me, it's it's not the right filmmaker. I hated what he did with Dr. Strange. Please, for the love of God, bring back Scott Derrickson. That was a damn good Dr. Strange movie. This is going to be another one of those yuck yuck fests with Dutch angles and underwritten characters, underdeveloped plot ideas. And that goes nowhere. And it's so frustrating. I don't want to see it again, man. I'm with you. I'm with everything you said. But the difference is this, as you and I both know, money talks, right? In the same way that I can tell you that

I don't want to ever see Michael Bay anywhere near a Transformers movie. But you, every time I bring that up, what do you say? You go like this. Right. It made almost $5 billion. Right. Now this movie, the first one, made almost a billion dollars. And don't forget, Kevin Feigey loves Sam Ramey.

Loves him. Looks up to him, worked on the Spider-Man films. He loves him. He loves him. He's like, and he just, the fact that he, there are Ramey heads out there. Kevin Figey is a So if Kevin Feige is a Ramey head and Sam Ramey is bringing in money, it doesn't matter for you. And I feel like everything that you said about the movie, I agree with you. I felt like it was just a dated way of making movies.

But, and it wasn't to be fair, Wanda Vision wasn't done at the time for them to watch it, but the scripts were done. They could have paid attention looking at the scripts going, oh, is this what happens? Let's make it happen. But during that time, they were, you know, it was, what's his name? Bob Cheypec, who was making them do a billion different things. things and Fikey's bouncing back and forth and he goes well I can know I can give it a Ramey and I'll get a solid movie I'm out of here I got to work on 87 different shows

So this time around when it connects a little bit more maybe they'll do something But I'll tell you you know what I would have really like to see even though I don't disagree with you I'm not I'm not the biggest ramy guy yeah but I would have love to see him do it a Toby spider-man movie another one another one right sure like it to do I hundred percent be down with that it would be great if he was actually gonna do and continue and if he was doing the one with Toby and Andrew and not an MCU one like a separate kind of Sony one or whatever it might be then yeah I don't want I mean I'm so glad he's not doing it there was there was rumors that he was doing the Avengers movies I'm so glad he's not doing those if he's gonna do this one though the doctor strange does fit in his wheelhouse for his style and the things that he does it's not that's kind of a doctor strange that you and I want to see but clearly look I'm telling you I took my friend with me to see it and we were just on He's a big Ramey guy. He was like, he looked like a kid that just went to Disney World.

People who love Ramey, love, love that movie. JT. Ramey, JT. loves this idea. Right. It's frustrating. Right. And there are people, so, so you understand the business decision behind it. It just, you know, it is one of those things.

It doesn't get me excited because I'm just not, I'm just not a Ramey guy. And you're not a Ramey guy. But didn't we just talk about this? Like Todd Phillips made a billion, so therefore he should jump into this situation, get to do another Joker movie, right? And he did and look what happened. Tykewati made Thor Ragnarok such a great middle and then got to do love and thunder. How'd that work out?

So I and Figey was more hands off with YTD for Love and Thunder. You're saying this is going to be even more Ramey than the last one. This would be more Rame and Fikey's even going to be less hands-on. Right, right. Because that one made. That's a good point. That's a good point. Yeah.

It's like. And it's a really good point. He's too much fan of Ramey to the lead him director. He's not going to be able to curtail him. No, he's going to say, do you're right. own thing and here's and look at look at and we have different opinions on these movies but i don't think you would argue that batman returns is far more burton than batman 89 yeah agreed and and to me that's what i didn't like about it it was more of a burton movie and it was a batman movie the batman 89 but yes

yeah right well that's and that and that is the point right and that those people who want to see well i want to see because they might just be boreded tears with the way that the marvel stuff goes and like well ramy brings something fresh to it ramy brings that style to it right i like i like Remy style so I understand it I don't like it but I understand it he's being fresh by bringing a three decades old style to okay sure you know what but you know what I mean no that's but of course yeah that's how they feel so but if it crashes and burns all you Ramey heads got to take it and take it hard oh no the blame it right now oh the blame it on the studio that's what that's what

when it when the anything no matter what studio when the studio any studio whether it's universal Disney Warner Bros. when the movie does really well, nobody mentions them. When they bomb, it's their fault. Every time. Every time. And I'm not saying that it isn't a lot of the times, but you never see like,

good on Warner Brothers for doing that. That's amazing. Good on Disney for making a billion dollars with end game. They go, no. Disney's ruined it at all. Warner Brothers should drop the ball again. They're supposed to make a billion dollars.

Right, right, right, right. So anyway, let's go. I think you've got one more story here before we get into the questions because we have, you're at 35 questions right now, John. Good start. Only 35. Wow, I'm not going to win the week with only 35.

You might get, and you'd have to get to another 100 in order to get to break your record. But I don't know, I don't, that's not going to happen today. I don't think. But you set the week off still pretty damn good. All right. So let's get to our next subject here. And I think it's our last one for the day at the moment. This one I saw, there was a lot of different stories.

But this one, to me, because as I was mentioned into you, John, over the weekend. my birthday thing and and and Matt Sarah came came to it and we were got a chance to meet his well I've had met his wife before but really get to hang out the sweetest person you will ever meet and she is she's a fighter now she was imagine imagine if Adrian from Rocky after Rocky 2 decided she wanted to fight right wow that is that is Matt's way and just I love the both of them so much they're just great people and then we're talking And what was the best is my brother was placing a bet on some stuff. And I was like, well, I want to get Matt's opinion on just in general, like, what he decided.

I didn't ask him to help me with bets. But I was just like, you know, going over the card that was going on, he gave me picks. And as, you know, his picks and as he's going through it and tell him I was going to bet on anything. And as I'm looking at it, I'm going, okay, Matt has said these three. So what did I do? I tell my brother, I go, that's the one. These are ones Matt thinks are going to win. bet the underdog who he didn't pick

because it's 1100 and of course I lost but it was like and all of Matt's picks were the right ones. But anyway the reason I bring that up is we were talking about UFC a UFC legend and we were talking about just Sarah and and this did you see this story about

Zach Snyder? Yes that he's directing a UFC film or he's planning a UFC film yeah and so back in July while promoting the director's cut release of his Rebel Moon movies. Zach Snyder revealed his next film was likely to be a smaller scale and shy away from

VFX. The aim was to do something different. Before he gets back to his usual big budget action fair, now World of Real reports the project in question is going to be set in the world of the UFC. They indicate the film, which isn't at Netflix, will be Snyder's next, and he co-wrote the screenplay with King Richard Scribe, Zach Balin. The project is reportedly planned as a theatrical film with the UFC reportedly being directly involved.

Location filming will include. Las Vegas and Ryan in Saudi Arabia. They also indicate that Adam Driver has been approached for the lead role, but nothing more than that is early for casting. Driver's schedule is fairly clear for now, bar his rumored involvement with Heat 2. If accurate, it looks to be Snyder's smallest film since his well-received 2004 breakup movie Dawn of the Dead.

I don't know how to feel about this. Why? Because can he stay away from slow motion? I'm not even saying that as a dick. I'm like saying is because he's another one that's his own worst enemy sometimes. Like I was watching Rebel Moon for the first part of it, and I talked about this scene. He's with Sophia Boutelle is in this really intense fight scene that I'm in.

I'm all on board. I'm like, he's setting this up great. In the middle of it, then she goes, stop, just fight. Stop. And every five seconds is slow motion. I'm like, no, no, no. I don't want to see that in a UFC fight. I want a UFC movie.

If it's like, this to me could be a great choice for him if he can say, look what I can do without all that stuff, without all the VFX, without all the slow motion. And I'm just going to tell you a story. And I'm just going to show it because how great would be to flip it on everybody's head. If they're like, wait, because if he does it a great job, you go, do more movies like that. If he does like his version of Warrior or if he does something along the lines, because I just got into a phone call about, I want to see more UFC movies in the way we saw boxing movies. but it's so funny how Hollywood has the same, like, voice message that they go, if anybody calls about this, say this, because I call a couple different producers I was talking about, like ideas of UFC movies and stuff too.

And they're all like, well, nobody's really buying those right now. Nobody wants sport movies right now. And the reason why is because you can't do this. And it's like the same stock answer. I was like, wow, you guys got a memo or something? And then you see, Zach Snyder has one. If this is a hit, everybody's going on to do UFC movies. So this is something that I think is a very,

very important movie for him because it could change how people perceive him if he stays away from the you know the vices yeah I mean like remember Warrior Gavin O'Connor did a great job with that film love that movie that's the level you have to bring it at

right that kind of like gritty approach to it if you start adding I don't know right if you start adding those film flare tendencies that's really against the feeling of UFC, right? UFC is down on the ground, ground and pound, grittiness, tough as nails, fight through hell to come out the other side kind of thing, you know? And so if you,

it doesn't mean you can't have like we saw in numerous Rocky movies, those slow motion moments of the punching or a couple moments. A couple moments. Right. A couple. As long as you don't overdo it and over stress it, I think it's possible. And look, Zach Snyder, don't forget 300. it, that's as manly as of a movie as you can fucking watch. So if he can bring that kind of energy to it, I think he read, it's very similar to Michael Bay. Like Michael Bay's 13 hours is damn good. Michael Bay's pain and gain is damn good. When he strips down, well, I thought so. When he strips down, I think he can deliver a, you know, a straightforward movie. This is a nice challenge for Zach to deliver a straightforward movie

like this and it could get a good reception of the box office because he has a very strong base in the men who would watch UFC stuff. So I think this is a strong decision by him. But again, as you said, I think very well, he has to avoid his normal tendencies to do things and be a little more stripped down and just deliver a straight up movie. I want to see him. Yeah, I want to see like there's sometimes, and it was Tim Burton's done this a couple times. Guy Ritchie does this a lot. When I'm watching a movie and I go, who directed that? What? Guy Ritchie directed that?

Yeah. Like, that's what I want to see. Like, because you can turn on a Zach Snyder movie and you know that Zach Snyder did. And nine out of ten times, you do that with Guy Ritchie. Right. But there's some times, like the Covenant

and some other movies that you go, wait a minute. Because his style doesn't overpower that movie, The Covenant. at all. I think was it big, I don't know if it was Big Fish, but I can't remember which one it was, but there's a movie that Burton did, but there's movies that sometimes directors do, and you go, oh, that's a good, how about that? And that's what I want to see for Snyder. Because I root for him. I root for him. I just want to see him do a better, I don't know,

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This is something I said. I thought we get to 70. But I'm 37 as fine. I'm always happy when we get 10. Taylor Witt, I saw Joker with the wife this weekend. At the end, I turned to her and I said, I absolutely loved that movie. She replied, were we watching the same movie? I guess I was in the minority.

Yeah, I mean, look, it's subjective. It's the thing we always talk about. Some people are going to dig it. And I could see where you're watching it. You're like, this isn't that bad. And then if you like the ending, then it delivers for you. If you don't like the ending, I think it's going to not. But, you know, before what I wanted to do, John, before we continue on, because as we, the questions are still coming in, what's going on in the channel this week?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Head on over to YouTube.com slash John Roker says my channel, the Outlaw Nation. We just crossed 35,000 subscribers officially over the weekend. So very proud of that. I know some of you be like, oh, that's nothing compared to $100,000. I get it. But I'm going at my pace and I'm building as I build.

And I'm proud of the channel and the great work we've been doing. We just dropped our spoiler review episode for episode three of the Penguin from the geek buddies. That is up there for you all to watch as soon as you're done with this show. And then we've got a spoiler review tonight of The Joker with me, Mike and Shannon, going live at 5 p.m. p.t. tonight. And of course, hot mic later on this week. We got so much going on there. And the Jedi Way will be back on Wednesday to talk about the big news and those groups

that certain studios are hiring to help them do fan stuff. So there's a lot happening this week. Head on over there. YouTube.com slash John Roker says the Outlaw Nation. I'd love to have you come aboard. Thank you. Definitely going to check that out. And I noticed John just had the Penguin review go up today.

Yep. That episode was just out of control good. It's the best episode of the season. It was so good. It was so good. And I don't know if you said this in your thing, but I did a reaction and review to it. That kid should play Miles Morales. He'd be a great choice.

Right. Yeah. Great choice. Yeah. He was so good. So that show just amazing. And speaking to which I have that, not only that reaction, we put the Deadpool and Wolverine

reaction, it's almost at 70,000. So thanks, guys. Appreciate that. We're only doing one movie reaction this week because time got away from me and one of my kids got sick. My wife's supposed to come in and do the Batman with me this morning so we can get it out there early and weren't able to do it. So we'll do,

I think speaking of a warrior, Sam's never seen it before, so I think we're going to do Warrior this week. Nice. Okay. Derek Johnson. Derek the great. Thank you, Derek. He said, I'm just throwing some support. You always do, my friend. And it's beyond, beyond appreciated. Joker was a bad movie. Agreed.

They should start making a list of movies with the most unused potential. This has got to be top five wasted acting, wasted Lated Gaga, wasted storyline. And I don't know if it's set in New York or Gotham. Agreed. Some more support. By the way, Christian, 100% agree with you that some shows are targeted towards a certain audience. Yeah, people still aren't really getting that. Like, when you say that, that it's targeted towards an audience, doesn't mean that it's the only audience that's allowed to watch it. No one's saying that.

It's like every, but anyway, going back to what he said, yeah, the movie just was, I think, as you were saying beforehand, I was like, I don't think everybody's on board that this is a, you'll have you people who are going to defend it. But for the most part, I think we're in the majority for this one as where I think, I don't know if we're in the majority for the Dr. Strange story. No, we're strong. You might be slightly smaller, but we're mighty. There's a lot of people who didn't like multiverse of madness.

You know what I'm going to do? Right now, we have over 1,000 people watching live right now. So what I'm going to do, I'm going to do a, I'm going to bring up the next question asking, as I'm doing it, I'm going to put up a poll. And I'm going to see if the audience is on board for replace your windows. No, I don't want to replace my windows. You stop that. I am going I'm going to put a poll up there

and see if people want Ramey to do, I'll say are you happy what I'm doing right now? Are you happy with Ramey doing strange too? And what do you think? Because last week

we had what was it? It was Steph and Mike and we said how many, I can't remember how many people whatever it was we were all wrong on what we thought the audience was going to say. So here I just posted it. We'll see at the end of the show what people think, but I just posted it up there.

So let's get to the next question. And that is from Hank Pym. Terrifier 3 Week. You'll have a favorite slasher. Yeah, Freddie. Freddy's my favorite solisher. Easily. He tells jokes.

Because of the inventiveness of it. I agree with yours. He tells jokes. Yes. Yes. Excuse me. You should have seen that and I held back on that one. Derek also says what changes could have been made to make this movie better.

I think we dressed it in the spoiler thing. I just I think a different story overall and where they approach it, not being scared of what the first movie was. And adhering to the storyline that you set up in the first movie and the character that you set up in the first movie. Derek Johnson. James Gunn is saying he only gave notes to Joker 2 and really had nothing to do with him just like Falun. with Acolyte. I swear, Lucasfilm and WB just shooting themselves on foot constantly. Derek is definitely, he's, it's going to take a lot for James Gunn to win Derek over. He's going to take a lot. So I don't, I'm not, I'm not putting gun under the fire yet because

all this stuff was made before he was there. So whether he gave notes or not, whether they listened to his notes or not, who knows, but it's going to take a lot for them to win over Derek Johnson, who says, Roka said this before. Gun needs to stay his butt off social media and focus only on getting Superman right and his overall story right. You're never going to see Fagie claiming good or bad projects unless he's asked on a red carpet. Yeah. How do you feel about that, yeah.

I still agree to that. And I still like the same thing when I see George R. Martin posting a blog post about House of the Dragon season one. Yeah. Get back in that room and write the book. Shut up. Like I just think there's nothing that's good to come out of creatives doing this kind of stuff, especially when you're in a position that Feige's in, which is in charge of.

I think director Scott Derrickson, other people coming on Twitter and do it, that's fine. It's great. But like you are a figgy level. And when you're at Faggy level, going on social media to correct minute issues that people have with certain stories, I think just is the wrong path to walk and it's dangerous. And it could lead you into a bad. You can say something off kilter. Then then you've got to spend the rest of the time walking back.

I don't know what good comes of it. So it just frustrates me. But yes, and I don't look, I'm not a kind of person who wants to jump on to James Gunn stuff, but like, yeah, him taking credit for super slash man and for Penguin, but not saying anything about Joker, I think is a curious, curious situation to look at. So, yeah. The great Tim Sim, having finished the McMahon documentary, I found it overall well made with the final 30 minutes of the last episode, The Real Kicker.

That sums up who Vince is and why he must never retake WWW. again. We take W. Yeah, and you finished. Do you agree with that take from Tim? Oh, 100%. Yeah. A very well-made documentary. As I said, for those of us who've seen the stories, probably a lot of stuff we know already before, but it's for Vince. And when you're watching some of the interactions Vince has and answering some of the questions, that's your window into who that guy is. He loves to claim nobody really knows him. Bullshit. We all know him. And when you're watching that documentary, you know him even more so by the end.

I think we're starting to really get to know him. Yes. I think they're real, the real him. And then Tim says, P.S., don't blow it and make us an H-Town had the last laugh. Now that your Yanks have the best shot of winning the World Series in 15 years, while we tend to our tired wounds. I can see the excuses coming already.

But what I will say is this. Did you watch the game of the night, John, the Yanks? Yeah, that was a great game against Kansas City, the 7th of 60. You think it was a great game? I thought for us to fight back and battle back and take that victory. Don't leave. Dude, they had bases loaded with no outs. And they got two runs by getting walked.

They got nothing out of the infield. You can't do that. No, you can't do that. You've got to wake up. The bats have to wake up. I also rejects Tim's premise. This is our best chance to win the series in 15 years. Against a tough KC team and against a Cleveland bullpen.

That's incredible. And then we've got to probably face the Dodgers, handle their business against the Padres. So this is not our best chance to win the series in 15. No, it's going to be, it's, if everybody hits, we've got a great shot, but it's, yeah. Sure, sure. Let's go Subway Series. Jacob Fleck, I enjoy Joker 2.

That's not a perfect movie, but I liked the performance and the story they told was interesting to me. As a musical theater fan performer, I thought the musical elements were implemented and executed 3.2 out of 5 for me. Totally fair. Look, like we said, difference of opinion. I thought they were a little, I thought sometimes they worked, sometimes they were excessive. So I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, as someone who is also a musical theater guy and who was trained in music theater through high school and college, I thought a lot of the direction of those musical theater sequences were really well done. But the last 30 minutes of the movie when he's calling on the phone and leaving a five-minute singing voice. That was so ridiculous. So there was a number of things. It took swings.

It took swings. Yeah, it was overdone. Yeah. Johnny Venable. I shipped the penguin writers to work on a Star Wars ASAP. Well, here's the problem. But here's the problem. That's the problem is this. It's not that they're not getting quality people. The problem is it's the machine that they're put into. The penguin was put into a machine of Matt Reeves, the writers into a machine with Matt Reeves and the team that's making shows over at HBO Max and they decided, hey, we want this to be an HBO show and not just a Mac show. This, this, this, this. This, this. This. This. is the difference between like, okay, yeah, yeah, we want the writers of the penguin to come over. I know you wanted to do all that, but go talk to Faloni. Falani wants you to change all that and make sure that it's more closer to the more, a little more towards the kids and do this and that, can you do that? Well, that's not really the story we want to tell.

Yeah, but he wants you to do this, this, and then it all goes to farts. Where's the talking dog? Give me the dog. Right, exactly. So no thanks. Not because I wouldn't love to see him do it because I don't want to see their vision get ruined. Mike Joyce, Joker 2 isn't good, but it's getting way too much hate. Do you think this movie has done a lot of damage to musical's reputations?

Nah, not the musicals, because that's, yeah, musicals are, they're just, they're already walking up a tough climb. Yeah, why is the film getting too much hate? People don't like the movie, and they're allowed to kill it. How come no one goes, this movie's getting way too much praise? No one ever says that. That's not true. That's not true. That agrees that the film is great.

Do you think people say that? They say it's overrated. They say, oh, come on, it's not as good as everyone. It's fine. It's not as good as everyone's saying this. I see you hear that all the time. But I think what Mike's saying, though, is also fair. When you look at it and you go, look, if you saw a movie that you thought was just, like this movie.

And I think that you probably maybe even saying the same thing Mike is here. Like, do you, I would say the same thing. I don't think this is one of, if someone said this is one of the worst movies I've seen in 10 years, I wouldn't agree with that. you know so I wouldn't agree with that hate I would say that's getting you see what I'm saying like so I think if he's if he's saying that essentially I agree with that

I don't think it deserves that kind of vitriol but you know if but then to argue Roka's point if you're like the reason why it's getting so much pushback is because the movie costs what it did and it's subjected to make $120 million and barely it didn't even make

40 so yeah yeah the different set of expectations yes I thought someone was trying to compare it to something recently. I saw online over the weekend. I'm like, those are two different sets of expectations for why the reception to one film is more a negative

than the reception to another film. Oh, Madam Webb. People are like, I can't believe to make it make sense that Madam Webb has a C-cinema score and Joker 2 has a D-plus cinema score. And I'm like, because nobody expected anything from Madam Webb. And the fact that it was somewhat watchable is why it ranked

a little bit higher, whereas people went in expecting Joker to be an A-level movie. And because it was so clearly not, they went after it a lot harder. That's why you get scores like that, you know? It's true. It's not apples to apples. Well, it's the same thing of rotten tomatoes as I always try to tell people. It's like, you know, when they look and they go, whoa, that movie has a 98% of rotten tomatoes.

Okay, it very well could mean that everybody loves the movie. But what it also could mean is if, let's say, 100 people saw the movie, 100 people. And all 100 of them, let's say it's 100% of it. let's say it's 100% rotten tomato score. And 100% of all thought it was a 3.1. It was fine. It's a fine movie. It's not rotten.

I'll still give it fresh, but it's a 3.1 out of five. If all 100 of them, then it gets on 100% of rotten tomatoes. So then everybody looks at it and goes, whoa, they think it's a great movie. It's not what it means all the time. Sometimes it means, okay, you have a high score. It means people gave it a high enough thing. I think it was really, really good.

But in the same way, the same argument of if something has a 20% or whatever this has, right? Yeah. It doesn't necessarily mean everybody thought it was a zero out of five. Like me, I couldn't get it to fresh. I just couldn't. I don't think it was a fresh movie. And so that's how Rotten Tomatoes works,

which is kind of a, it's a hard system. In the same way, I think baseball has a stupid playoff system. Stupid. Here we go. It's a stupid playoff system. It's like everybody can get in. It doesn't mean anything. Everybody can get in.

It's like, you know, the Phillies who are significantly better than the Mets, right? And I'm pulling for the Mets. I don't root against the Mets. It's not like, you know, when you're in Florida and Knowles and Gators, there's no world I'm ever going to root for the Gators. But if the Mets may, unless they're playing the Yankees, I'll root for the Mets. But the Mets had to fight back and barely get into the playoffs. Phillies were in first place the whole damn year,

and they almost get knocked out by the Mets in this, like, because anybody can get in the playoffs now. Anyway, who cares? Carlton Rutter, London Calling. We'll catch your show tomorrow. I'm at Transformers 1 screening. Finish Dark Matter, amazing series. John, I hope you're better.

John, you're feeling better, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just, yeah, I went down for a couple of days because I just wanted to vacs myself against COVID and against the flu and shingles, and it was all, it knocked me out for two days. Like, it legitimately wiped me out. But it's worth it because then I was fine on Sunday

and I've been good today. So yeah, I'm good. Let's see. Don't bring your sick asses around me, man. That's true. It's me, Steveo. As a fan, who don't you talk? to from the old crude and why because I hate them all no is that what you want to hear it's

not true um no it's at who do i who don't i mean people you grow apart from people a and b um people are busy so i don't know there's some people i still talk to some people i don't this is the lame answer but it's all i got for you um yeah i think that's right you grow apart or or you know like me i don't even live in l.a anymore so i hardly ever see or hear from the people who i yeah if i was still in l. I'd run into the screens that all the time and you know go grab a drink or something but yeah it's hard to get especially things life gets in the way uh Alexis

LeBlanc who says by comparing the state of Arkham in the two movies clean and white versus dirty and dark I kind of accept the ending of the first was in his head I mean yeah but they don't address it and then they tell you though that the beginning of the movie is not in his head

so they don't really do that so it's like then and this is fine in the same way that the Sopranos ass you at the end of the movie to kind of make it your own of what you how you saw the ending right yeah that's essentially what you're doing here but to me it's like well they set all this stuff up and then they give you the ending to say yeah yeah that this is we're confirming that this is what if if all that other stuff happened this is what we're confirming happen to him and then they don't even address it yeah right they don't even address it am i wrong nope they don't address it you know

they don't and he claims that he claims he murdered all of them so in his head or not He did it. Right. So that's that. Well, no, he clearly those people, that's what he's on trial for. So the question is like, but that keeps trying to commit him for five, but he says six. So he accepts all the murders he's done. But they never even mentioned, like he doesn't even mention the doctor.

No. Yeah. Okay. So now we got Matt B. Between this and House of Gucci, Lady Gaga might need to fire whoever is handling these scripts. I don't disagree with that. You got to find a bet. In the same way, you know who had a really bad,

agent for a long time was Zach Ephron. Oh, yeah. I mean, maybe he might have the same one, but maybe they got their act together. I don't know, but like for a long time, there's just the stuff that he was getting. It's like, roll, and he's still not getting like prime.

He just did the, what's the movie that we like a lot? Iron claw. Iron claw. He got that. But then he did that, that romantic comedy on Netflix with Nicole Kidman. He's a really good actor. that kid um but he just yeah he just didn't the same thing the team sometimes you can't save your actor

from their choices i know sometimes actors like no i want to do this yeah that's that and you're like okay but i'm telling you and then you're like okay but so these people want to keep their jobs keep their percentages coming in they got to let their actors do certain things but of course actors are so fickle they'll turn around to be like why'd you let me do this you know that's true mr big i am one of the few that actually love this movie awesome Love? Hey, listen, there are some movies that I'm sure I love and that you definitely don't love

and the reverse of that too. So, hey, that's one of them. Good on you, Mr. Big. Jay West, I was never going to see Joker to. It seemed like a fart in a jar. And everybody who opened a jar got a stinker. You two have been more entertaining talking about it than the movie itself.

Well, I appreciate that. Give us that Warner Bros. money, though, and we'll really be entertaining. Yeah, for sure. Kick it to the King Productions. Love that name. Can't be said it best. You take the music out of the greatest showman.

You have no clue what's going on in the story. If you take the music out of Joker 2, you're not lost. Yeah, I agree with that. That's why I push back and people. I saw some people who say that this is a musical. I wouldn't call this a musical. I think there's a musical element to it. And then because of the way it's used as a gimmick,

sometimes it shows up. Sometimes it doesn't. There's a rhythm to a musical that it's like, okay, here it comes, here it comes. Boom, now they're doing it. This is just like sporadic. So I don't really see this as a musical. Do you? No, I see it as a film with musical elements.

Yeah. Yeah, like you said, but not a musical straight up. I wouldn't put this in the category of West Side Story or in the Heights. It's not quite the same thing because all their songs are doing are reiterating what we already know is happening in the scene. And so it's not that strong, you know. I totally agree. I want to take on the Campia Challenge is Showman. I might, that's one of my favorites. So I might take a look at that film and see if it works without the music. Oh, really? I mean, that's like a pure musical.

You don't think so? All right. I don't know. I'm saying I don't know. I want to take on the challenge and see. Well, Derek Johnson, $200 million. I mean, where did that money go? Some of these movies have a lot of CGI.

I can understand the cost going. How does this happen? I mean, this seems to be this like a recurring conversation. Where do you think the money went in this one? The budget producer costs? Beautiful cinematography here. And I think there's beautiful, well, probably the salary for Gaga and Joaquin and Todd after having made a billion dollar movie.

I'm sure their quotes went way up for this one. But I think the cinematography, the set design, what they did, the look of the film, I think that's where all the money went. You can't argue, like the end result of the movie is one thing, but the look of the movie is incredible. Anybody complaining about the cinematography? And then all the producer costs and probably talent costs and everything too,

probably balloon this thing. Yeah, and those musical sequences ain't cheap. Right. René Reyes, I feel like Roxy really like this movie. LOL. Oh, and Christian, you're right. I'm not laughing out loud. Joker 2 will go down as one of the worst sequels. That's a different conversation. I think that if people say, what's a really bad sequel to a great movie?

I think that's going to be in the conversation. I loved watching the real Reject reactions after the movie. I mean, you see them struggling to say something positive. I mean, John, God love John. John's like, it's an unusual film. And poor Roxy's like, I'm not. sure where I landed. I agreed with what Roxy said though where she said it took swings but it was I thought Greg's actually was the most on part with where I was

where it was like I was confused I was interested I was confused I was irritated I would like it I was confused and then by the time you get to it it's a mess so I agreed with what I think great the most Hank Pym do we still have time to build for the four on four old verse new bloodline at Survivor series do you think they'll add the rock and Cody to make it five What do you think, John? 100%. The Rock is totally coming back.

Came back to be a part of this big way. He came back the other night. So it was awesome. That was such a great thing to react to. But yeah, absolutely. And you see someone put a video out. You can see Solo say, this is all part of the plan with the Rock coming back.

So he's definitely going on the Young Gun side of things versus Roman. Now who's Roman's got Jimmy back now. Will Jay eventually come over? Will it be Cody? Will it be Sammy? I think that's the big X factor in all of this. Sammy coming back. So it'll be a makeshift bloodline versus that other side of the thing.

Oh, it's going to be huge by Survivor Series, right? Yeah, because of what just happened with Kevin Owens. Right, the turning on Cody. So that's a way to get Sammy into it. And then you could have that whole thing go down. So I do think, and then that's going to ultimately lead to finally getting Roman Raines in the Rock at WrestleMania. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which will definitely happen, I think. Okay, let's go to the next one here. And Keith, who says, the fact that Smile 2 might be better than The Joker is crazy for way less money. It's really not that crazy when you go back to what we talk about in this show to where people are getting exhausted from us hearing it, and I'm getting exhausted saying it, is that they're going to make this money for this movie for nothing.

And it's a sequel of a popular movie, and they're not going to make it for a lot of money and it's going to make money and it's because it came out at the right time they didn't overspend it's going to make money and it's like and this is also it's another movie it's like an anthology thing

I don't even have to see the first one and know what's going on in the second one it's Naomi Scott she needs a hit too by the way oh yeah 100% yeah I like her a lot and I think she needs a hit so yeah I think that movie will definitely make more money way more money

than the Joker overall which is crazy that is crazy to say Armada Great googly-moogly, Joker 2. Yep, I'm with you. Pete Parker, 2288. Just saying hi from Orlando. A little worried about the hurricane.

Christian, do you have family down here and how are they doing? Thank you, yes, I do, and they're all preparing because this is supposed to be, this is supposed to be like one of the biggest and worst ones ever. So I'm hoping my dad,

my dad, we're trying to get them to get the hell out of there, so we're hoping that you can, we're working on it with them. That's the first phone call I got to make when I get off of you guys because he's a stubborn old Uh Thornton old goat.

Yes. And he's, he says, I'm not leaving my brother yesterday. He goes, Ted, you got to go. And he's like, I'm not leaving the dog. He said, no one told you to leave the dogs. Take the dogs. Go to a dog. He's like, I can't leave the dogs.

Like, no one said, take the dogs. Or don't leave the dogs. So, Mazapi. I heard the Hawk Tour girl has a podcast. Any chance that she can be on a guest in this show. John gets upset. And he's showing us his glasses and showing you basically, John, put your glasses up there to the screen.

No, no, put him to the screen the way you just did. Yeah. Now, look at, just lower them a little bit, lower him a little bit. Now you see how we see John. That's how John sees the world normally like that. So I would actually talk to her. I'll tell you that. I would.

I would. I think she's got a lot of personality. I would definitely have her on as a guest. And she should have a podcast. I don't understand. And look, here's the thing that people don't understand. Yeah. You might not like the way that she got in front of the camera.

You might not like the way that, you know, you're like, oh, man, because I even said to everybody gets the viral moment. The question is, how do you grab onto the viral moment and how do you make the viral moment work for you? Because if you just have that thing, but then nobody gives a crap what you're saying. If she's got a podcast and people want to listen to her podcast, God bless her. Who the hell are we to say that she can't have a podcast? Who are we to say? Oh, because just because she did a blowjob joke, she's. She should never show.

Hey, she did what she, and she took that. She took the ball. She ran into the unzone. She didn't fumble it on the floor. She took it and she ran with it. I think it's funny. The same people are complaining about this or the same people who watched the Kardashians

and she got famous off a sex day. So give me a break. These things, these are the things you look at is that she is not coming off arrogant. She's not coming off conceited. This is a situation that blew up. She is riding the wave. She's smart enough to ride the wave.

She has stayed herself. I've watched her in a number of interviews. She's actually a really engaging, funny, authentic person. And so that's what people are gravitating to because we have so much inauthenticity in our lives. And so the fact that she wants to have her own podcast, and I think it's already going, then I think all power to you. However you get your bag is however you get your bag, what you do with that platform, I think is going to be what people judge you by. You know, and look, 100%. Yeah, great, great actors become great actors, why? Because they went viral

with a performance. And that's in essence what happens. There are plenty of great actors who never became great famous actors because none of their performances ever in the right movie ever really kind of went viral in a way. And that's this whole situation. Viral is another way of just saying you became famous for something you did.

And so... Yeah, and she took it and ran with it. Mike Joyce, Gotham is in the state of New York. I mean, that's what they make it seem like. Was that always a thing? No, that's never been 100% confirmed. Or else tell me why Pittsburgh is freaking Gotham in the Dark Night Returns for God's. Ever been a thing?

It's been hinted at, but then Metropolis is supposed to be New York as well. So go on. All right. This is, Can You Dig It? Happy Monday to you, Christian and John. Thank you. Did either of you catch Jordan Peel on Ryan Cougar's podcast yesterday? I didn't realize that Brian Cougar had a podcast.

No, I didn't see that. Ryan Cougar has a podcast? I didn't know he had a podcast. Dude, I want to check that out. I love Ryan Cooper. I definitely want to get his, I would want to hear his podcast. Peel spoke about his filmmaking journey and it was great to see it. Keep up the great content.

No, but thank you for telling me about that because those are two people I would really love to hear have a conversation about that. So that's amazing. That's a great podcast, the two of them. So thank you. Joshua, Josh, Treck, Nerd, 78. Arthur was never a psychopath, which is how Joker is normally depicted. He has several mental illnesses and had a psychotic episode because he stopped

taking medication. Sure, but you know as well as I do, that's not what the movie was about. It was about him saying he stopped taking his medication and then, you know, he jumped back into Joker, but even when he's off his medication, then he decided that he's not the Joker. So yeah, but I think that's a default. Yeah, do you understand? First of all, he is a psychopath, because plenty of people go off their medication and don't kill six people. This is such a, this is something that came up in the debate the other night. It's like, it's so clear. Just because you have a mental illness doesn't mean you have a predisposition to commit

violence. And this, this correlative nature of that is, I think is a dangerous thing to put out there. So he did not, he is absolutely a psychopath because he used the excuse of not being on his medication to go and kill six people, right? This isn't a violent episode.

This is consistently done. and shooting Murray on camera is 100% a psychopathic moment. And he knew exactly what he was doing. The guy's on the train. I could see that it's bullying. That's a whole other. He snapped. That I can understand.

Suffocating his mother, killing Murray, those in essence are planned situations. So not a psychopath going off his medication. It's just a psychopath. Travis Nickerson. They should start doing Legends timeline as an animated series. I want to see Code Skywalker facing Darth Crate and the sit.

So here, I could give you that answer that I've been giving, which is no, not until the regime changes. However, that would land into, and I've been very vocal about this. I think that where they do have their stuff together, even though Outlaws didn't do very well, I still think their video game team, their animation team, the comics and the novels,

I think that team, don't touch them. Leave them alone. They're telling stories. actually have them be more involved in the TV and film stuff and collectively have all of that. So if they're going to do a Legends timeline where they're going to do it animated and put that team, then sure.

So I wouldn't be against that, but I'd say, you know, I think that team needs to be more involved than they are. Yeah, yeah. Cody Hunt. This episode of The Penguin might be in the top five episodes I've ever seen. There's so much more to Vic and what drives him, so many big moments.

It's fantastic. It's a fantastic episode. And like the opening, without spoiling anything, the opening is just like, whoa. And the way that they, it's very, very well written. Yeah. The battle going on right now with the three of us

on the geek buddies reviews is Michael thinks he's going to turn into a villain. I think he's going to be a hero. And Shannon thinks he's going to be killed by the, by the penguin by the end. So we'll see what happens. The only, the only possibilities are possible. Yeah, the only thing I say without spoiling it,

My prediction of that is I just think he had an opportunity. I think that's why more so the Jesse Walt dynamic really came to play in yesterday's episode more so. And I think that his time, yeah, I don't want to spoil it for people, but I don't want to spoil it. But I will say that I think I'm more on the more, maybe I'm a mix between Shannon and the Mike. Han. The Schmodeown randomly popped up in my mind. So he searched your name in the YouTube search. And son of a bitch, you're live with Roker.

Great to see your faces. Glad to have you on. Yeah, John Roker and I are on every Monday. I love how, you know, that's the thing that we always, you and I are always talking about with YouTube, right? There are tons of people who used to watch Shmowdown and other things that have no clue that we're still even doing YouTube channels. It's just how it goes.

Like, life goes on. There's other things that happen. And then people, I get comments all the time. And oh, I'm so glad you're still doing a channel. Like, when did you do it? I've been having one for three years now, two and a half years. And just people have other stuff to do and other stuff to watch. So it's like, I'm glad that you found us again, Han.

That's pretty awesome. Yep. Yeah. Okay, so you're at 48. I think you're going to hit 50 today. I feel like you at least hit 50, and that's a good start for the rest of the crew to try to catch up to 50. Derek Johnson, get Ramey out of here. I say that after listening to Elizabeth Olson.

If she comes back, she's going to make sure she has full reins on the project, which makes me feel better. 100% agree with Roka on this one. Yeah, it's a good point, the Olson one, because she was not happy with that movie. Nope. Nope. Yeah. Yeah. So I wonder, that's a great, that's a great point. What are they going to do there? Who are they going to, whose side are they going to take if they even have her, she probably won't even come back? She won't even be a part of it. No. Probably limit her role. Jacob Tizano, what's a movie or show you think enhanced the source material? for me it's the boys and haunting of hill house absolutely fantastic show um what's a movie that you think enhanced the source material it's always so tough where it's like i think arcane arcane is to me like

legal legends is something that i had seen you know and they did totally i would say yeah i would say that arcane have you start watching it yet no no no yeah no john you're killing me do i would say the clone wars right i mean i'm not a prequel trilogy person okay But I thought the Clone Wars absolutely gave me so much more to enjoy when I go back and watch those movies than ever before. And maybe even the new Teenage Mutinyin Ninja Turtles animated film, I think made me enjoy the idea of walking back into that universe again. Much, much, much more. Yeah. Armada. Tim Burton for Dr. Strange Street instead? No. No. No. It's the same issue. You got the same issue.

Tim Burton is not going to make, you know, that's, you need. You need. directors that are I think Ryan Cougar is a great example of the type of director in their career of who they should be going after for these movies because Ryan Cougar had just done Creed

and it was a movie he wanted to do in Black Panther and they gave him the reins but they also said look this is where we want to go what can you do with this and they collaborate it like do that the old dogs are going to do the movies that they want to do because they got nothing to lose Jean-Philippe Goren

I love the show Thank you What was the most disappointing Outing in theaters for you? Megalopolis or Joker 2 For me it was Joker 2 Even though Megaloplas bored me more I didn't see Megaloplas

So I can't really Did you wind up going to see that one John? Not yet, not yet Yeah, it's the same thing It's like it feels like work To go see that right now Yeah and I don't feel I mean I just saw Joker

I don't want to go into another thing Knowing I might be And I've seen clips on tick They've started dropping clips on TikTok none of those clips make me able to watch this movie. So I'm just like, oh, God, I don't want to do this. I don't put myself through this.

But, yeah, no, Joker is the bigger disappointment because you expected more. Yeah. Jacob Tizano. Also, just wanted to say thank you, John, Coy, Winston, Roxy, and everyone who comes on this show is great and creates a safe and healthy discussion. That is a great comment,

and I'm glad because it makes me feel like we're doing our job. Because the whole point is I want people to, A, feel accepted and feel like they can have a conversation and peacefully discuss and agree and disagree with each other in this. And it's honestly, this isn't a joke, this is legit. Like, it's why I have John on Mondays, because we see eye to eye on some things.

We disagree on other things, but we discuss them like human beings. And that is what I think it kind of sets off, and that's what everybody likes to try to do here. So I'm glad that you felt that way that you come here because of that. EWalk, the Brutalist, a 3.5-hour period epic and likely best pitcher winner spanning 40-year shot on VistaVision

and releasing in 70-millimeter with intermission cost less than 10 million to make. Take notes, Hollywood. Did you see The Brutalist, or is that coming out? Yeah, I don't think it's out. It's not out yet, okay. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it, though. But that's a great point.

The question is, well, but still, the only thing that comes with that, though, is the studio will get cold feet about marketing it and not put a lot of marketing behind it, which will be the catch-22. Julius Wyatt. John, your commanders. You like that?

Also, Deshawn Watson has to be benched. He's making a lot of money, but just bite the bullet. Can't wait for Green Bay tonight. Come on now. We're 4-1, which is nice. It's nice. You know, I yelled this out in the middle of the third quarter,

and my girlfriend had come in and go, are you okay? I just said, I don't know what's happening. What is this feeling of happiness? As I watched the commanders, I don't remember this feeling. It's been 30 years. So, except for the RG3 year, court.

So for me, this is so much fun. But again, it's only five games. We have bought more next week, and that's tough. You can give me any props at all? I think it's great what we're doing. Jaden looks, Jayden looked incredible. I'm not talking about your team anymore. I'm talking about the Giants.

They beat Seattle. Screw the Giants, but. Oh, they at least beat the Seattle. Come on. Julius Wyatt. He said that already. I'm not doing any more love to the commanders. Eat it.

Next one. And the only reason I give a little bit of us, okay, if you can have it, is because I feel, because, you know, I'm still, I'm still feeling for Ellis with Molly right now. So I want, I want them. Oh, Pete Parker 2288. Yeah, I don't want you to do it. Who would you take off X first? Roca or Mike? That's what Pete Parker says to me. Oh, who would I, that's a great comment. You got to take Mike off. Who would, if I could, if I could delete someone's Twitter, who's, who's would it be? Mike's or Rokas? It'd probably be mics. Mike just Mike just

is like the guy goes to the bar and he sees somebody he doesn't really listen to what they're saying but he doesn't like the guy's face and so it's swinging and then you start hitting them when they're on the floor

I know I just go I wait for them to say something yeah right and then you start swinging but you're both terrible you're both terrible PJ would be in there too though I'd get to get PJ off on Twitter all

why do you hate people who are outspoken I don't understand that you're screaming It's not outspoken. You're screaming into the void. You're screaming into the void. You don't know that. I do.

Wait a minute. No, this is our whole point. If you and I are having a conversation here and we don't see eye to eye on something. Yeah. I can look into your eyes. You can look into mind. We can have a conversation. We go, oh, wait a minute.

There's a point that I didn't see. You're never going to say that on Twitter. On Twitter. I do. Come on. I say that all the time on Twitter. But most times, most times you are tweeting out with the people who already agree with going, yeah, tell him, John.

And then the rest of the people who hate you are going to go, shut up, you woke, turd. Because they're not, no matter what point you make. And it's the same thing. Like, who are you talking to? It just, it doesn't, I don't, if you're in front of a microphone and you're talking to your audience on your show, I'm like, look, this is a guy who's given his thoughts, his opinion, and you're, and I'm not taking away your outspokenness. I think you should, that's where you should shine, is have your voice, have your point,

say you things. Twitter is stupid. should be destroyed. That's nonsense. Do you know what knowledge there is on Twitter? There's so much knowledge on Twitter. For those of you who can't afford certain, can't afford these news sites, can't afford them.

There are articles, there are, you know, copy and pasted things of articles of stuff. So you can get a lot of knowledge on. For news, but you're talking about the other stuff, the mental health-wise of it, of seeing the people- I don't disagree with that. That is, it can be dangerous. It's horrible. It's horrible.

I've had my moments with it for sure. Mike goes home after our, day at work, you know, dressing up and jumping in water world, that he comes home and he's, and he gets home and he's exhausted. And then he goes, oh, I hate that person. Now I'm going to get more mad. And it's like, who are you yelling at? I don't understand. What's the deal with yelling at Twitter? Who are these people? Ayesha Kenyon. Hello, gentlemen. Happy Monday. Hello, Isha. With the growing success of Penguin, should DC focus on the Batman universe for now and hold off on Brave and the Bold? Well, that's kind of what Zoloft is trying to do.

I think the unfortunate thing is that you kind of you kind of need Batman in the DCU though when you're starting off the way that I think you can slowly get to him but the problem is you're going to be it's going to be inevitable where you're going to cross over the Brave and the Bold and the Batman Part 3 you just you can wait until the Batman

part two comes out but then you're going to have to cross over so yeah do you disagree Joe? No no I don't disagree there I think it's going to be but I don't think you you know you're not going to make James Gunn all of a sudden make a turn you know so it's going to be the Superman thing I think it's going to delay them announcing a Batman

though I think we've got a little bit of a ways to go before they're going to figure out what they're going to do with the Batman because clearly Matt Reeves formula works yep and for the Batman so how are you going to I know especially as these ratings get better and better for the penguin yeah well they will yeah they will I know Michael Miles

as much as I enjoyed the Batman but is it just me or is a penguin even better Yeah, it's got more time. It's got more time to shine. I am legit concerned that the penguin is raising the bar so high that the Batman 2 might have trouble getting to that level. I love this show. I love it too, but as John just said,

Matt Reeves is heavily involved in this. This is essentially the story that he's telling to lead into the Batman Part 2. So I would be the opposite. I'm more excited for it. A penguin's going to go into Batman Part 2. In my opinion, so will Victor. And so I think that's going to be. be an interesting situation when it happens when we go into Batman part two because I've

quietly said that I think Victor is possibly a new Robin or in so because I mean he's lost his parents and so to me I got this idea of what might be happening here yeah but I think it's everything going to line up so yeah Derek Johnson I'm giving James Gunn a chance Christian but I'm not cutting him any slack DC has been a slump for over a decade and it lives and dies in that Superman movie I don't disagree with any of that I need my new head coach to close close the doors and be about business. I can't disagree with anything that you said there. I completely, I agree.

I agree. It's like, yeah, you're, it's like when you have a chance to see your team do better and they have a new head coach, you want the head coach to make the moves, and then you've got to win a couple of gains before you get the loyalty. I get it. Pete Parker, Schmo's choice. Joker 2 are the Marvels? Joker 2.

Oh, Joker 2. Yeah. Joker 2 is a better move. It's a better move. Yeah. Some of these narratives coming out about the marvels guys give it a rest it's over what is it didn't do well Move on move on what is it is it too much again like oh so we talk about white men not leading Films anymore like we did with marbles and I'm like guys it's the completely different conversation

You're trying to make these things happen or people like how come oh because it's a joker? He's a joke or he's a joke that okay Got it got it got and it was like it was giving space for Todd Phillips what about you know what about the of the Marvels and Marvels is the bitch is it's a sloppy really bad movie and the joker's not a great wasn't yeah yeah uh anthony hey guys big fan of y'all just curious are you guys thoughts on wb bad blood this past weekend from what i i didn't get a chance to see it from when i heard it was phenomenal i heard the see and punk it was that was the best match of the card right best match of the card yeah i did a watch along on my channel my uh wrestling channel that i have there the ring generals we had i had a great time watching that thing and that match was an

instant classic oh wow okay i'm gonna watch it i'll watch it i'll watch it Derek Johnson Watching the Rock I just get feeling his promos Aren't what they used to be It gives off that he's trying too hard To be to be And it doesn't come across smooth as it used to be

Am I reading this wrong? Well he didn't really say anything from this thing He just came walked out But I liked what he did And to answer the previous question also From everything that they've said With this whole card It looked like the CM Punk one

Soed out the Bloodline one is still They're really And they're milkingness In the best way possible They're still able to keep that bloodline thing going and they're doing it really, really well. And they're getting tons of love out of it. And they're doing it kind of masterfully.

And I even like the stuff that they did with Kevin Owens, behind the scenes. There's a good move. So they're doing some good stuff. And the rock, they're going to utilize them well. His promos are the best. So your turncoat, though. Do you like his promos still? I do.

Well, liked his promos. I'm more of a truth teller instead of a sycophant. So I like to tell the truth about people like the rock. And so I'll call him out what I need to. and I'll praise him what I need to. And I thought he's coming back in the way he did this over the weekend, not saying a word and just doing the three, two, well, the one, two, three, I thought was awesome.

Really good. Buster Barnes, how is Gun taking credit? Did he say he made notes for Super Slash Man promoting movies under his own studio should be expected? No, no, no. Or he didn't promote Penguin people. If he didn't promote Penguin, people would be complaining. He can't win. John, what's say you on that?

Well, he didn't promote. That's not what he said. he said, I'm so proud of what's coming out of the DCU Studios banner. He purposely meant, talked about his universe. He put it in that construct. He knew exactly what he was doing by saying that. And that is essentially grabbing credit for stuff he had nothing to do it like the penguin and super slash man and claiming that it's all coming out under his regime.

And look how they're dealing with, and with Joker 2. He's just saying, oh, I gave some notes. It's no big deal. So it's like he's playing a little bit of a condo. convenient game here. That's what I mean about taking credit. Come on, guys. It's Hollywood, man. It's all about status. Stop thinking these are great people who don't have an interest in some of this stuff. It's all about brand saving and staying alive. And so God knows what he's doing here and how he's playing it. And people are rightfully calling him out for it. Let's see. Next one. And this is from D. Duval, 59. I was unaware of people hated Dr. Strange too so much that they didn't want Ramey back. That movie was the most interesting and fun. MC movie since Ragnarok. Ramey went full Ramey and it rocked. But clearly that's from a Ramey person. You know what I mean? So I think that I think that person proves our point. Yeah. Ramey had loved them. And look, there are a lot of Ramey hits. And rightfully so.

We're not two of them, but they, but they do. So, okay, we have a couple more. And we got Thomas Logan. Roken needs to rewatch Joker 2019. Arthur didn't plan to kill Murray. He planned to kill him. He planned to kill himself. He's not a psychopath. He was never going to be one. He did say that in the move in the second one too, by the way. He did say that he was planning on going there to do it himself to do himself. Your saying, go ahead. Finish the question. No, no. That was it. That was question. The question was it. Yeah. So what you're saying is I should believe a psychopath who's off his medication when he tells me what he was going to do. But then on the other side, so what you're saying is I should believe the unreliable narrator about what he was going to do. First of all, I

watched that movie all the time. I love that movie. And I never believed him for a second that he wanted to kill himself. He could have done it any number of opportunities he had to kill himself. He wanted to go on national television to get that exposure. And when Murray made fun of him, he thought he had the excuse and the reason to kill him for maximum effect. But he had no idea what it was going to lead to. I had no way ever thought he was going to kill himself. That's just an act he plays so that then he always follows it with a psychotic decision to kill other people. Travis, Shawshack Redemption bombed at the box office. It made $28 million on a $25 million budget.

Box office doesn't always equal quality. I enjoyed Saturday night. Well, that's not necessarily untrue. I mean, look at another one. Look at Transformers one. Look at the, what's the one that I just thought? Shoot, I just had one in my head and lost it. But, oh, Dread is another one.

Jared's great. Fred's a great movie. That movie ate a big pile. So I agree with that. I think that's totally fair that it's... Yeah, but I also think, Christian, that that's a different set of circumstances, right? I mean, no one was like,

oh my God, the next Morgan Freeman Tim Robbins movie. No one was going crazy for Shawshank. It came out, and people didn't know Darabant at this point. So it came out, it was a damn good movie, we just didn't find an audience. Joker is a massively marketed movie, So it's a whole other ballgame when you talk about a box office not doing well. And somehow the film is still good despite the box office.

Those are two completely different sets of circumstances. Yes, boy. You know? Yes, boy says this. How dear the WWE for making me want Gunter versus Goldberg? No. Is he set up to wrestle again? I know he was there last night.

They teased him because Gunther called him out. Okay. And Goldberg got, came out over the, the rail, and was going to come into the ring, and then Sammy Zane showed up, thankfully, and knocked Gunther out of the ring. And then Goldberg and Cole had some weird interaction, and that was it. Now people like, should he get a final match against Gunther? What does Gunther get out of a five-minute match with a gasped goal?

Let him beat him. Let him beat him. All right, let him squash him. But no way, Bill Goldberg will ever agree with that, though. No, no way. Shay Markell. Hey fellas, just so you know, Koi hates the original Crow with Brandon Lee. Does he really? When did that happen? Apparently the guy also hates the soundtrack for that movie as well.

Oh, I'm going to bring that up. Does he really? Is that true? I know he hates the most recent one. I'm going to have to find that out. I love that first movie. And that's soundtrack. So good. Yeah. So good. Yes, boy. No spoilers,

but they made an emphasis to make sure on film to never call him the Joker. That's why they made to just call him just Joker. Yeah, I mean, that was pretty clear throughout that. Okay, we did it, John. You ended up today at 53, my friend. That's pretty good. That's a good start to the week, 53. So, all right, you got a lot going on.

What's going on this week? Yeah, head on over to the channel. YouTube.com slash John Rokazez. As I said earlier, we just crossed 35,000 subscribers, marching to 50,000. and help us get there by coming over there. YouTube.com slash John Roga says we got the Penguin Review. Episode three is out now. Later on tonight, 5 p.m. PT, we're going live with the geek buddies for a breakdown of

Joker Foley adieu. We got to Star Wars, the Star Wars show coming up to the Jedi Way, coming up a little bit later on. We got spill the tequila. And if you want to hang out today and talk some NFL on my sports channel game time, Winston Marshall and I, Winston A Marshall and I will be breaking down the week five action at 1.30 p.m. live today on that channel. But Christian, thanks for having me on. Thanks to everybody. Before you leave, John, John, before you run, John, one last one. Shea Markell. He says,

hey, remember the movie Jumper with Hayden Christensen? Personally, I hope that movie gets a reboot. I had an all-star team, but couldn't stick the landing. Would you guys be interested? I would. I thought that that idea, the idea itself, was pretty solid, but it was just executed poorly. What about yourself? Yeah, I thought that film in in time, the Justin Timberlake one, I think Both of those films had really interesting premises jumping around, but in time. But I don't think they were 100% handled well. So, yeah, I'd be open to see. I bet Jumper would be a great series.

Yeah, me. That would be an awesome series. And Pete Parker closes it out. Please, Ramey, do another dark man. That I'd be on board with. Oh, I'm bored with that. I would love to see that. All right.

Now you're at 55. Get out of here, John. Thank you guys. Much of love. Thank you guys for being here with us today. So excited. Thanks for John for being with us also. It's a really fun.

stream great way to start the weekend a great weekend start the week and get towards the weekend I guess I have tons of stuff happening here I've just put up my penguin reaction that's out there my wife and I are going to be continuing doing the agatha series Sam is coming back to do warrior um I'm gonna start make sure that consistently we're doing two movies a week on the reactions but I think this week we'll probably get limited to one just because of time constraints but I'm really a thankful to you guys that you've been enjoying it and all the stuff that we have going on. I have an out of the theater reaction for a couple different things this week and next. So that's it, man.

We're busy. So thanks for being. We'll be back here live tomorrow with Roxy. And I think Brett will be here too. So join us. And then Wednesday, it looks like Wednesday, I'm going to have Billy Magnuson on the show. We're going to be having an interview about his new show, the franchise. So make sure you look out for that.

So it's a stacked week. Thanks for being here. Really appreciate you. Check out our sponsors. You want to help out the show. that's how you do it. See you later.