The Kristian Harloff Show - Julia Garner cast as SILVER SURFER in Fantastic Four?! Is she a Multiverse Surfer?

Episode Date: April 4, 2024

THE BIG THING (MAIN SHOW) Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow Big casting news as Ozark star Julia Garner is rumored ot be cast as the Silver Surfer in the upcoming Fantastic Four film. The internet has an opinion about it. What say you? Is this the right choice and could Garner be playing a Silver Surfer from another universe? Directing news as Cruella and I, Tonya director Craig Gillespie is apparently the choice to direct the upcoming Supergirl : Woman of Tomorrow. what do we think? There are new photos from behind the scenes of Daredevil Born Again showing lot of pics of Jon Bernthal returning as The Punisher. Did they get the tone right? The Xmen could be coming back to feature film capactiy faster than we think. Is the time now for the mutants? This and more on today's episode of Big Thing Capes and Cowls with Kristian Harloff, Winston A. Marshall and Coy Jandreau. #marvel #MCU #fantasticfour #silversurfer #DC #DCU #supergirl #director #daredevil #xmen OUR SPONSORS: MACK WELDON: Get timeless looks with modern comfort from Mack Weldon. Go to http://www.MackWeldon.com and get 20% off your first order with promo code BIGTHING. RHONE: Head to http://www.rhone.com/BIGTHING and use promo code BIGTHING to save 20% off your entire order. VESSI: Elevate your spring wardrobe travel with Vessi's StormBurst shoes. Discover more at http://www.vessi.com/BIGTHING Get your pair today to get an automatic 15% off your first purchase at checkout and be ready to step out in style, rain or shine! NUTRAFOL: Find out why over 4,500 healthcare professionals and hair stylists recommend Nutrafol for healthier hair. http://www.Nutrafol.com/men and enter promo code BIGTHING OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-... FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls... SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTri... Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff

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and I was like, that's a keeper. That's the move. Now, that movie in Jones, It's not a comic book thing, so we don't get too deep into it. This is what I said in the end of the theater. I think there's going to be tons of horror fans that love this movie. And it is a well-shot movie. It is a well-acted movie. And it definitely connects into the Omen itself.

And it's very graphic. This is just not my type of movie. It just isn't. And people go, I'm not going to come to you for this. Smart. Because I, yeah, just like, listen, at one point, I'm just a lot of throwing up and yelling and screaming going on. And then it's like, it was so predictive. I'm going to me.

Growing up. Yeah. And I'm like, within seconds, within seconds, I'm going, not seconds, but I think 15 minutes, I'm like, oh, well, that's clearly going to be the reveal. But they're trying to pretend that it's not going to be the reveal. And then it is the reveal. You're like, well, that's not surprising. You got to bury the lead a little better.

They don't. And at the very end of it, it ends, and it's like, and then this thing. And I was like, well, yeah. That's what you said that at the beginning. It's a prequel of the movie. Anyway, so who cares. But people, I think people are going to, if you're a horror fan, It's not a generic horror movie, but it has nothing to do with what we're talking about here today.

Let's get right into it. Let's talk about this Silver Surfer stuff. Here we go. All right, Julia Garner. I know her from Ozark. She's fantastic. She has been set to play the Silver Surfer in Marvel Studios' upcoming The Fantastic Four film. Garner will reportedly play a Shalabal version of Silver Surfer.

That means nothing to me. The Silver Surfer in the comics is the Silver Skinned Herald of the Planet, Bowering Galactos, Galactus, sure. Anya Teller Joy was previously rumored for the role last year. While that was a reach, the reports of a female silver surfer are accurate and true in spirit of the comics as several women have served as heralds of Galactus.

Garner joins a cast that includes Pedro Vescal, Vanessa Kirby, Joseph Quinn, Evan Mossbarok, and Wanda Vision and Monarch Legacy of Monsters' producer Matt Shackman is directing. The reboot that aims to shoot. at Pinewood Studios. Yada, yada, yada. Okay. So let's start here.

I think she's a fantastic actor. I think she's a wonderful actress. I think that you also have to pay attention, and this is me, and how I feel about a lot of stuff, whether it's Star Wars, whether it's Marvel. I'm looking at it as a business thing.

If you look at this and you know that you have this discourse around right now, you're going to get negative press, which warranted or not warranted, sometimes a majority of time, not warranted, just hateful. You cast a woman,

you cast a person of color, people lose their minds, right? The Silver Surfer traditionally, correct me if I'm wrong, I know that there's versions, traditionally male. So my thought process is if you're going to have this big,

you know it's going to cause a discourse and you try to launch this thing out there, why not do two silver surfers do the do the original and then you can get a talent like her why not do both so you say you're you're doing you're having two silver surfers unless she replaces the other one is that i don't know how it works they are i think it's going to be set in a different universe in the 60s or something that i don't think it's necessarily our timeline they're trapped in even in the 60s i think it's going to be multiversal which i know you're sick of in the marvel sense but i think that's going to be their way to illustrate that the universe is different. I think that Norton RAD is going to be the MCU Silver Siverr, Norton Rats the guy. I think Norton RAD's going to be how they're like, well, we're not in our world anymore. So I assume we're going to live with her in her universe for like 20, 30 minutes or however long they're in theirs.

And then their marker of, wait, this isn't right, is going to be him. So I think we will get to. But not. I mean, if that's the case, you know, sure, and people are going to lose their minds one way or another. Then it's a reveal. Totally. And but that's the questions if they're going to do that, right? That is a question.

That's just what I assume by the article. Right. And it's, and it goes back. to the Pedro Pascall conversation we've had many times on this show. Did you cast Pedro Pascall because he's obviously an amazing talent? And he's people love him at Disney. People love him in general. He's super, you know, he's a great actor and he had a great audition.

You're like, that's the guy. Or is the rumor true where Kevin Faggy walked into the room and said, whoa, this cast is too white. We need somebody else and did that. Now, that rumor has never been confirmed. Yeah, that feels like such an internet rumor. It was a rumor. Snyder reported on that one, right? So it was a rumor.

But it's a conversation, I could least be have. And so the question is, same thing. Is it, because if it goes back to what you just said, and the thing is, listen to this, why don't we do this thing where we set up this? What's, what's the character's name of the Silver Surfer was? Sean Ball. Okay. I don't know where well.

And they're like, what if we set this up and we put it in the multiverse and we do this? And then we debut our Silver Surfer in MCU, and that's a creative edit. Then it's like, shut up everybody else. then it's a good plan or is it the reverse rumor side of it we need to cast woman now we need to cast woman now I don't know I don't know the answer to that question I'm just saying

I think it's trying to hit two birds with one stone I think that that's your way of she becomes the focus of this movie and then we transition into norm rad and so you have the ability to say see we did do that but then you also went back to form so then everybody would have to shut up but I think part of the problem is when you have a situation

previously where the MCU brand was a little more solid and there wasn't a lot of question marks, I think you could have done this and nobody would have batted an eye. They might have been like, well, that was an interesting choice, but sure, but because everything is MCU, because the box office hasn't hit the way that it's supposed to

because it's too common, right? Because Figi has been pulling back because there's so much where it's like we're in trouble and we have to pivot. Anything that seems like it's trying, to still do something, you're going to draw up a lot of, like, hate or distrust right now. That's my point.

And I think that was an excellent point. And I think that's exactly right. That's my point is that you're trying to build back right now. And it's like, look, it's okay to do. It's why I go back to my point, what I said before with the rumor side of it. If you have a clear cut story and you're confident in it and you cast because that was the guy who nailed the audition, which very well could be the case. Or same thing here.

No, this is the story we need to tell. If that is what it is, then everybody needs to shut up. But the problem is, as you just said, they have not been delivering lately on the majority. Yeah. You got to, because back in phase one through three, the majority was all on board. Majority. Sorry, Corey. I was just going to say, like, the character itself is super ethereal and otherworldly and is like a watcher.

And so I love the Anya Taylor-Joy idea for A. Herald. And I don't dislike the Julia Goner idea. She's not quite as like, she feels like very of the. Earth versus on each other, Joy, feels very ethereal. She's got that like Tilda Swinton. Yeah, she feels almost the opposite. But I'm still very excited to see Julia Garner herself in the MCU. But my only thing is if their character is going to be portrayed in a way that

Julia Garner works for it, I have no issue. And I don't think we should make creative decisions based on trolls. Like, I don't think we should placate assholes. No, no, I don't disagree. But I'm saying if they cast her because of good casting, we're saying the same thing. No, no. And I also agree with what you're saying, like, you don't just. say, well, we're not going to put, we're not going to put, we're not going to not put a woman

there because someone's going to make a video about. Agreed. However, you also want to make sure that a majority of people in general, because there are as many fans that are not trolls, because that's the thing, even if that's what's not fair in this space too. Someone will say like, oh, well, they don't want a woman in the role. No one's saying that. She is a fantastic actress. I want to see her in the MCU. I think she shines. I want to even see this version of Silver Surfer. I just think that it might be, it might be a mistake to do it first when you can introduce the character that we know. But on the flip side, being a devil's advocate to my own point. If the story, if we haven't seen the movie.

And if you look at the movie and if I watch the movie, I'm like, no, that's the story they needed to tell. But on the same coin, if I'm looking at it and I'm going, that seems like they could have put the original character in here if they wanted. My only concern with my idea of the multiverse is if Julia Garner is only a placehold. as Silver Surfer, and then she's not in it a lot because they're setting up, then it's a waste of Julia Garner and her incredible skill. So I just hope that they have an idea of a unique take on Silver Surfer that warrants either of the caliber of Anya Taylor, Joey or Julia Garter, and it's not just to be a check bark. I mean, there's also a possibility. And again, I'm always of the mindset, at least with creative, until you actually see the thing, you kind of have to shut the F up and just let it happen. But again, we don't have that trust right now because of how stuff is gone.

What if what this is, because we don't know what the story is right now, I'm not saying we're going to get a repeat of Rise of Silver Surfer, but what if her Silver Surfer is actually a villain? And so that's that you're not wasting her in the sense that how many villains actually return in the MCU with the exception of Loki, Killmonger for blinking of a second, and Thanos through like three films. You know what I'm saying? So that being said, like, if you want off...

Yellow Jacket came back as Modoc. Well, wait, the other thing... And then he was gone again. Shut up. He's an adventure. He is an adventure. But look at the other thing, though, too. I think it's also a disservice and not fair to the actress, who is wonderful.

She's already getting just destroyed by the internet. For why? For getting cast? It's like the same thing with Stephen Young as Sentry. Now, we haven't gotten a full reason why, but one of the speculations was he's just like, Dude, I mean, start shooting this movie and the internet is coming after and you're forgetting casting it. F this. And the same thing with her.

She is wonderful. She is such a good actress. And like I said, I think she should be in this. But no one is going to have a problem. If it's like, it's like, it's like one of these things that you just like, it feels like sometimes. They're like, well, we've been doing it. You've been doing it well. And it goes back to the old point that we've had many times over that if it was this thing,

Back in the day when there was not a lot of diversity in Marvel, there just wasn't. And you're like, when are you going to cast a woman in a role? When are you going to, I get it. But it's not that anymore. It's just not anymore. But that's not to say, once again, playing the same devil's havoc with my voice. For yourself. Yeah, the same thing is that I am not going to just say, well, it definitely should be a guy because I don't know the story.

I just am hesitant on it because I could very well sit there and look up at the screen and going, they probably could have led with the traditional character here. I don't think Stanley would ever expect in the future would be this focused on Silver Surfer's genitals, but here we are thinking about them. Yeah, but wasn't the main, but it's like the same character. It's like almost like what if they would have made, you know,

imagine. Imagine if they would have switched up and said, okay, for the Fantastic Four, we're going to make Reed a woman. And we're going to have Reed and Sue are going to be, they're going to be lovers. Those stretching abilities would be useful. No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

I mean, I always thought about that about Reed, man. There's a reason she was always came back. Namor is the king of Atlanta. No, he's on a trip. He's on a trip to New York and his wife's in California. And he's like, hey, what's that? Oh, hey, baby. So I'm staring molecules.

But speak at that point, though. I think the internet would handle that well? Oh, hell. No, I don't think so. No, they wouldn't. But I guess the only difference there, like, I get the, the metaphor you're making there. The only difference specifically is, like, it's not that you couldn't technically gender Ben-Reed if you wanted to. It's just specifically the arrogance of Reed as a man, the smartest man on the planet.

Like, it doesn't mean that people can't go. either way, there was something very specific about reason. You would get a pushback. Of course you would. You couldn't have the smartest woman in the world. And I totally understand that. And I know me just saying that already, people are coming forward. Did you see Nyad?

Did you see Nyad? The movie about Nyad, the swimmer, and it was Annette Benning, played swimmer. And you talk about arrogance and greatness and stubbornness. And like that, no, no, I'm just telling you. But that I understood your point. Absolutely. I'm just saying you would get a pushback on that. There's also very, but that's the thing. If you were going to do it, I would almost make the argument,

I would be, this is going to sound weird, I would more gender-bend doom versus Reed only in the sense of the relationship between Reed and Doom. But either way, but either way, let's say it's doom. Sure. Let's say it's doom. That's my overall point is that you would get people that were like, wait a minute, you can't do that.

And you could cast because that is the situation that we now, when I always talk about how fandom has become political, right? Because you guys, myself, you're going to want to say when a casting happens, you're going to want to say, so let's say Dr. Doom was cast as a woman. You're going to want to say, that's great. This is a great actress. This is great. Let's try it.

But even if you feel in your heart of hearts, Doom needs to be a dude. You feel hesitant to say it. Because if you do, you feel like, what you don't think it should be a woman? Not what we're saying. We're saying for this particular character. there's sometimes like the little mermaid, it's a mermaid. It could be anybody. That kind of stuff drives me nuts and that stuff happens.

I agree with you. All I was going to say with it, just as far as this theoretical conversation, if you were going to do anything like that, the reason why I was thinking Doom is specifically, since Doom always feels, I'm smarter than you read. I do more than you read. And yet somehow you get the glory. I could see that in the sense of like if it's an allegory of just like everything I've done, like I've done and still this guy is the guy.

That's the only reason I could see. But I'm with you. It's less about which character. It just means, but the character itself. I bring it back to why the Silver Surfer, the only reason I'm just like, whatever, is that because, again, ethereal, an alien, there's nothing that ever comes up at all about any of that. That's the only reason I'm like, okay, sure. But again, I think, like you said, from a business standpoint, if you're already in a situation where you have bad blood for other reasons to bring any more negativity potentially, even if it's just a loud. minority doing it. On a property

that you are trying to... To use to relaunch stuff. And to reboot... There has not been a great fantastic for a movie yet. Right. There just hasn't. And people are excited about this. It's Kevin Feige's like... He loves fantastic. Isn't this his favorite? His favorite... I think one of them, right? He loves... And it's a character set that the audience

has wanted a great film from. Like, it's not like they've been waiting for a movie that doesn't have potential. Like, this is a property that really can be special. I don't know. I really think it's... We're in a unique position of brand awareness versus show business versus optics. And that's what worries me about the internet having so much. I don't like that the internet has any sway in decision-making.

Sure. But I understand where you're both coming from. The only exception of that rule is the Sonic. Sonic. That was it. That was egregiously bad. But that's why I say, and maybe it's because I don't know the character well enough, that's why I say if you can do two silver surfers, if you're able to do that,

bring them both in because then it's just like then you can give the middle finger I don't care if you want if you she's because she's wonderful I'm so happy she's in the MCU she was like one of my favorite characters on Ozark she's great and I love seeing her and other stuff and every time she's very versatile

she was incredible in inventing Anna she was right yeah she's the reason she won an Emmy she's great she was fantastic she's really good so anyway I'm sure no one's commenting none silence I want to see the conversation.

And I challenge you. I challenge you in the comments to try to actually debate it and have a good conversation. To show some class, if you will. Show a little. Just a little. And also, if you're that invested in alien, you're to tell you, maybe think about yourself. You've got the UAP phenomenon. How much probing have you done?

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Let's move on. We got some more news here, and this is a big one. Let's talk about Supergirl, Cruella. And I-Tonia filmmaker Greg Gillespie has begun talking to direct the live-action Supergirl film adaptation at Warner Bros. The project is aiming to begin filming this fall and will mark the first of the new DC Universe projects to film after work wraps on James Guns currently shooting Superman film later this summer. House of the Dragon breakout Millie Alcock won the role of Supergirl and is expected

to appear in another DC project before making her debut. and Supergirl. The film will be based on Tom King's 22 comic book series, Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow, and Gunn previously described the film. Thus, Supergirl was raised on a rock, a chip off Krypton, and watched everyone around her die and be killed in terrible ways for the first 14 years of her life, then came to Earth when she was a young girl. She's much more hardcore. She's not exactly the Supergirl that we're used to seeing. So, now this is kind of my earlier point, right? It's like, people are going to complain on the internet no matter what. And they're like, so the guy, who did Cruella, and then the guy who did the Flash, and then the guy who did Indiana

Jones doing DC movies. And my friend DJ Woolridge had a great response. Or you could say the guy who did Logan, the guy who did it, and the guy who did itonia. Which two things. First of all, I actually love this director choice, because, A, if you actually see, Saul Cruella. It's really good.

I like a fantastic job. Yeah. Not just with the world building. You're talking about two movies and I, Tanya, and Cuella, of complex women that have been through some dark ish. Yes. And have become very complex, dark people that are just trying to figure their stuff out. If that's the description of the supergirl that we're dealing with, she watched her

family die and gruesome ways for 14 years and asked to show up to earth and try and be human and let Clark somehow guide her to not be a psycho. Bro, he sounds like the perfect person to take it. Perfect. And look, on the flip side of that, too, I also saw some people going, how can we don't have a woman directing it? Because he might have had the best take.

But we should say the same thing about Julia Garner then, right? Like, I think it's the same exact thing. Like, if a man can direct a woman movie, then a woman should be able to play a man part. Like, it doesn't matter. And it goes back to our point of what is the story. Right. So, yeah, and it's all about the take, right?

As you just said, I think, very well, as we go back to that conversation about Garner. was the audition so great that played into that story that makes the most sense was his take the best take out of the people that they wanted to talk about in the movie and that's why he got the role now that's the job now that to be honest with you is another thing that could have very easily happened

with a silver surfer because it's just they just did an open casting call we don't care about gender we don't care about race because it's an alien we just want to see it seemed like they were going because even with onion Tyler joy it seemed like they were going for that role it does definitely we should I also point out that Anya Taylor Joy and Julia Garner are very much Sue storm types. They probably all auditioned for Sue and then got put in. So I would argue, especially with Marvel, Marvel cast by having you come in and read for something and then get put up.

Like Chadwick Boseman read for Dracks. I mean, Tom Hilsson or Thorex? Yeah, dude. What? If you watched the audition, Chadwick Boseman knew it was going to be Black Panther, so he does Drax with an African accent. Like he literally was like playing the long game. He was playing chess. But that's the thing is like you've got to look at what you're doing and casting.

If you're going to go into the really specific take, I love that Anya Taylor Joy, Julia Garner, and Kirby all have a similar vibe to each other-ish, and one of them got to be Sue Storm, but they all are Sue Storm type. And then the other one was rumored for Silver Surfer, and it sounds like one got it.

So I don't think the way they cast is as linear as a lot of other people. And that's why we get some bold choices. But if we're going to be... Well, what about Gillespie, though, as far as his director? So I think Gillespie, if you look at his directing, you've got Cruella, which is incredible acting, but also incredible world building. The world of Woman of Tomorrow is very Star Wars,

very bright and lush in colors, but also a really dark story like both Corolla and Itana. And you also look at Dumb Money. Dumb Money is so slept on. He did Dumb Money last year. Yeah, dude. Dumb Money is so good. Dumb Money is so good.

Dumb Money is a great ensemble, and it's really informative in a way. Dude, Craig Gillespie's a fantastic. He's one of those directors are like, oh my God, look at this resume. He also did three of the best episodes of the Pam and Tommy show. He's a great director.

I was on board just, just from Itonia. And from Corela. Now I'm even more important. All the pieces like add up. What a great resume. Dumb money is such a great way to tell a story that is absurdist and shouldn't be real, but is. That movie is awesome.

World Bill and Corella and then directing in Itonia, Sebastian's saying some of his best work in both of those things. Pam and Tommy and this. So I just think we should look at and and in dumb money. Yeah. As you're saying also. Like he is, what we should acknowledge, though, is since these are two headlines, I make sense. If you're, you're upset about a woman playing a man and you're upset about,

a man directing a female-led movie, maybe just let people do what they should do. Someone last week got mad at me for suggesting that Greta Gerwig directed Avengers movie. Yeah, dude, that was the wildest discourse. And then I just came back with, and then the guy got mad at me for defending it anyway. But I also think that there's, but you're right.

But I also think that it's okay. It's all in presentation, right? I think you can have, because like we did today on this show, you can have questions and concerns. As I said, and I stand by it, and you're not thinking that I'm hating on the fact

that she was cast to the war. I think you hate women. How's your wife? Exactly. And as I said to you, as I was my two daughters, right? What I'm saying is, you know, I'm going to look at that movie and I'm going to go, at the end of that story, I'm going to go, that was the right choice. Or, in my opinion, it was the wrong choice. And there's someone else that's sitting next to me.

If I feel that it's the wrong choice, they very well could go, no, that was the right choice. And I was against it in the first place. So this is the whole point of subjective. Robert Pattinson. take it outside of gender completely. Michael, Keith. Well, we had a whole debate. There was a whole thing.

You could do it about Heath Ledger because everybody did that about the Joker, but specifically with Robert Pattinson on Glider Live, he was like, no, this is a perfect casting. I was like, no, it's not. And he goes, go watch this and this, and you come back and tell me. And I watched only one of them,

because it's the only one I could find it. I was like, it was a good time. Yeah, and I said watch Rover. You gave me both. And I was like, that's the only one I could find. And he crushed it. And I was like, okay, I'm open to this now. This guy actually got some.

chops and then look what he did. Right. But here's the difference. You got to be open-minded as you were. Now, there are a lot of, and this is why I'm saying, it's a blanket statement sometimes to just say for people who are complaining that they're like, you know, just like trolls.

Right. Because there's a lot of trolls, and there's a lot of people who are just going to hate no matter what, why is this a woman? Sure. But then there's other people going, really, that's the choice they're going to go with? Is that the right choice right now? And it's fair to ask.

And there's three different things. And it's really important to acknowledge that. Like, we all dealt with with, like, I didn't love the marvels and people are still like, oh, this misogynist. And like, I'm pretty outspoken. And you can't, you can't categorize people because of one thing. And it's also, if you look at like Hurt Locker or Zero Dark 30, like directed by a woman, those are very masculine films. You look at Itonia, like I didn't know that was directed by a man or woman.

I didn't care. So let the story be the story. And I think we should stop focusing on all the pre-production drama and let the movie exist first. That said, I understand in this case where you're both saying, Marvel's taking a lot of blows. It's a tricky time to announce something that feels like a swing. Right, but we are in the Superman story, the Supergirls. Craig Gillespie, I'm putting it all as one. I think there's less drama with Craig Gillespie.

I think with the resume that Craig has, give me a real reason that you think this is a terrible choice. And just from the standpoint of, well, you're not having a woman lead. Like, again, you already mentioned another situation. He's already twice had female-led movies that he has crushed. But I think about stuff like alien from. example and aliens like obviously read by Ripley but you're sitting here dealing with two of the greatest director and that's my earlier point right of the like they don't force it just to force it like if you go in there if patty jenkins goes in and pitches a supergirl story and it's better than

greglis and by the way i'm saying there's there's she wasn't in it it's theoretical but if she goes in there and she pitches and she's got the better story then yeah you put patty jenkins in there she's done wonder woman that makes sense but you don't just go well her story wasn't as good and we have to, I don't really like it that much, but she's a woman, and a woman should be directing Supergirl. And they didn't do that here. You know, and I'm sure, and they should have,

what they should have done is definitely not just met with dudes. They should have met with everybody. I'm sure that they did. And then that's how you come across this thing. Well, I like that gun isn't taking the pressure of the 2024 of it all. Because I do think that the DCU is shaping up

really strong with Mangled, Mochietti, Gillespie, and Gunn as the first four directors we know about that's a murderers row of current talent it's I think the other thing that's so interesting and it's only because we're further into the social media age than we've been in a long time I don't know any other business where you're allowed to just be out here in these streets to just you have to just be like oh and this is what's happening before it happens and they go that's a terrible plan right you haven't seen anything and now we almost have to get to the point where it's like okay guys so we brought in these 20 directors right and then in round two

we got it down to these five right we went with you got to prove it like you got to prove to you that I did it and that's kind of crazy to me. Come at me when you have proof that I have been screwing this up multiple times. Dude, the fact their second movie we think, their second movie is a female-led superhero movie. It's Supergirl. And a script from

a comic that didn't sell incredibly well. Like a moment of tomorrow wasn't like the Dark Night Rises. Like it's not as, sorry, like Dark Night Returns. It's not like this formative change in comic books. It was a smaller title that was like kind of independently beloved. So I love that they're making the story they want to make. They're not

going like, let's tell the Supergirl story. They're like, we like this one. I love that. That gives me confidence. This is why I think you said this a year and a half ago that if shaped up and done well, D.C. is going to overtake what Marvel's doing. And right now, this is the time to strike. If you're D.C., this is the time to strike because Marvel is still, it's still making

money. Let's not forget about that. It's still making money. But it's in that kind of like, we just had the whole conversation just now where you have the audience kind of like this, like feeling almost like what Star Wars was a couple years ago. And now DC is like, um,

wasn't that Rocky 3? You got, you got to take, take the blows from it and then go. Like the minute he's showing, he's tired, start swinging. And it feels like that's what's happening right now.

And then I think it's going to make DC is going to make Marvel better like in Rocky 4. Like I think Marvel is going to come back stronger because D.C.'s going to be the top dog. I'll go wrestling. Okay. I'll go wrestling. And you'll understand this because you watch back in the day. So this was, this right now is DC can be the WCW.

Oh, when they did the merge? No, before the merge, before the merge, Monday Nightitro, when WWF was the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody was touching WWF, and WCW said, oh, you got a bunch of the old dogs,

we're going to steal the old dogs, and we're going to make our own thing, and they overtook the WWF in ratings. And then, because of what you just said, then it was like, well, no, then we're going to come to stone cold, and the rock started doing their thing, and it was like...

And then they're both fun to watch again. That's exactly what it was. That was the most fun time to watch for us. Oh, dude, it was so good. And then Amalgam Universe. I do think it's, some point we're getting DC Marvel together. I do think at some point in the next

that's crazy not soon but I'd say with DC EU's on Disney Plus right now. But I'd say within seven and 10 years I think we'll see a crossover with James Gunn being comfortable at both with the writers there's not the gang war that people on the internet think there is like they

just did a reprint of DC and Marvel crossover comics last month. They just both companies want that money and if both companies are looking at the what's bigger than Avengers 5. Justice League of Avengers. I just can never see those two studios come to agreement or who gets more than the way that's money.

I think Warner Brothers might not make, like, depending on how the next few years go, they might need it. Wonder Bros. had a pretty good March, but I'm not, I'm not doom and gloom in Warner Brothers.

March was June and Kong and Godzilla. Yeah, I think Warner Brothers is... Where is Dune at? So it sounds like you might have lost your bed, right? I thought you thought that you said it was going to hit a bill. It was 750. I didn't get to $7.

I didn't have a bet on June. I had a bet on, on Daredo. Oh, Daredeville. On Deadpool. Billion with Roker, right? Yeah. Roka wanted to make a bet. Roker started to say, he's like, oh, we had a bet on Dune.

It's going to make a billion. And I said, there's no way Dune makes a billion. They'd be lucky to me at 6 to 7. I don't think Warner Brothers is in the trouble they were two years ago. I don't think that Warner Brothers is going to be like going out of business, but I do think Warner Brothers is going to see like the opportunity for the giant King Kong size win. I think Zazloff would make that deal more so than Iger would make that deal. But who knows down the line?

because Warner Brothers needs DC would need Marvel right now the brand take it easy everybody as far as like you know the company the studio rather Warner Brothers would need Disney more than Disney would be Warner Brothers today who knows what that's going to be like

because even though they had a terrible year last year Disney I thought you were about to say Warner Bros. No I was like Barbie no last year Disney had a horrible year last year they were still the number two studio with a bad year for the bad year they were number two Yeah. So that, because they just have, they own everything.

Jesus, that's, isn't that crazy? When they lose their number two. I know y'all hate sports. That's the Kansas City Chiefs all over again. That was a terrible season and they won the day. Also, shout out to Universal. They're number one because they're taking really weird swings. Like a lot of Universal, like Universal got last year, obviously hugely because of Oppenheimer,

but like they made cocaine bear, which cost nothing and made a ton of money. They got Monkey Man coming out, which cost them 10 million. It's going to make way more than that just opening weekend. Like, I like that Universal seems like the studio that's going like, what's the filmmaker? movie right now. Right. And that got them number one. I think that's really looking at where the audience is. Yeah. All right. So what do you guys say? You got all this conversation. We got Gillespie. You have, you know, the Silver Surfer casting, all that and more.

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And let's move on. This is another thing. This is very interesting. I had mentioned it before. Daredevil. Maybe it's a Freudian slip, but, all right. Anyway, Dear Devil, they have some behind-the-scenes footage. Now, John Bernthal cast a picture.

And at this stage, it's not exactly a secret that John Bernthal is going to reprise the role of Frank Castle, the Punisher for Dear Devil, born again. Now, the actor has officially made his return official with a new behind-the-scenes photo. There's a few of them that have popped out. Now, we've seen Bernthal suited up as the Punisher. And here you go. You see there's a couple different pictures here. This is on set.

They seem to be teaming up, which is awesome. And this scene, just, there's a few other pictures here too. And this is the other one. And then there was one more up top here. That's the one that John Berenthal posted. This is, to me, becoming, I was already pumped for this series. But I'm way more excited now because I think it's also fair to say. And you should do it when, like, we've been hard on Marvel, you know, and we've said,

certain things like, and rightfully so, I think. As you said beforehand, they're in the kind of a down slope, but you've got to give them credit when credit is due. They looked at this show, and they went, okay, so we are not pleasing the fans at the moment. We're just not.

And it's not to that standard where we were. This show, as it stands right now, ain't it. So let's stop this. People kept saying they want, I thought it was such a mistake when they're like, We're not doing a continuation.

Yeah. We're not doing a continuation. And then they go, it looks like they want a continuation. This looks like it. And John Bernthal even said as much where he's like, I'm not going to come back to some like watered down version of it. This don't look like a watered down version of it.

Winston, how are you feeling about this so far? I mean, I'm here for it. I think that as much as everybody love Charlie Cox, as much as everybody love Vincent Naprio, I would make the argument that Bernthal was the one that people ultimately stuck to their ribs.

It doesn't mean that there are, all not important and we didn't love every rendition of those characters but i think especially once we got then into the punisher series uh like series on his own i think people really gravitated towards what he was doing so i think it was a very smart move to bring him back into it um and again i would much rather have to wait and you get it right than you know you would rushed out whatever it was and then you left like a horrible kind of taste in my mouth type situation you know better the waiter come out and go i'm so sorry we burned your steak we're going to do it all over you again, you know, for the time being, here's the cocktail in the form of seeing Charlie Cox

appear in Spider-Man and She-Hulk, and then we'll come back to it. Quo, the thing is with this series, what I think the, we all agree, the Echo didn't hit, Echo didn't hit the way that people hoped it would. The trailer was better than the series itself. At least that's why that I think a lot of people felt. I don't know how you felt about it. I liked the show, and it did better numbers than some of the others, but I felt like it was a good bridge between Netflix and Disney.

It reminded us the flavor. That's right. And that's kind of the point I was going to the trailer itself. You're like, whoa, they're going to start doing this? Full Netflix. And then the show ended up being like a mix. I think the reshoots leaned more Netflix. And I think that's why it landed more like we wanted.

But yeah, it still had some Disney Plus issues. But overall, I think it was a bridge. And honestly, like, I think the biggest thing for me is Debraan Wall being back. Like Karen Page. I love me. Because that was such a thing with the original, original like new Daredevil. Like they didn't have foggy and Karen back. And everyone was like, why?

Yeah. So this image, like, John, Bernthal I feel like has been all but said but Karen we were like is because you don't really have the Matt Murdoch side without Nelson and Karen and so this feels like it's season four because of that image the image of all three of them and I think that John Bernthal wouldn't have come back like you said to a watered down version but I especially don't think the whole team would go like this is our season four unless they all agreed this is what they wanted to make this is also another this is also another Sonic the Hedgehog thing by the way

I was going to say, like I said 20 minutes ago the internet should be listened to at creative levels, but this is an exception. I do think this is something really important. But that's not creative levels as much as it's, you got to listen to what the money, like where the fans are. You got to listen to what the audience wants. This is a simple, this is a simple example. Today, for this show, I said, here are the stories that we're going to be covering. What story do you think you guys are most interested in and what should the thumbnail be? Because if the majority of the audience is going, that's the one of the interesting.

interest me. That's the one that I like. I go with that one because that's what the majority of people are going. Yeah, that's the thing that I'm interested in seeing. So if you asked, is in the same kind of example, what would you rather see a dear devil that's more in the lines of the tone of what we do, which say Shee Hulk or the ones that we did for Netflix? And then it's overwhelming inside of Netflix. Why would you put your feet into the ground and going, we're doing the same tone? You know what it is? There's a splitting of the difference here because I think about an anecdote as a child. I loved Star Wars, but I hated roller coasters and I hated rides.

And so my mom took me to Disney World and she was trying to get me to go on Star Tours. And I was just like, nah. And I threw a full temper tantrum in the line, screaming, crying, snobble, all this. And they forced me on the ride. And then we get off and I'm still kind of crying. And she's like, well, and I was like, could we go again? And like, sometimes you don't know. He was 25.

This is Halloween heart rights? I was 10. But my point is, my point is, is that sometimes the adult in the room, the person that's in charge, they know what they're doing. And sometimes there have been then been points where you have to be like, no, this is a hard boundary here or this is what I actually want. Stop telling me what I want. And I think what it is, it's reading the room. Yes. And I think in this case, they read the room and they go, you know what?

You're right. Sorry about that. Let's retool this. I think you need to find a safe place where it's not made by committee, which is, I think, a person. problem at times, but also you've got to create a vision where you're trusting the creators you hired for a reason. And that's why I think the internet's so tricky, because Robert Pattinson would not be Batman if we listen to the internet. Michael Keaton wouldn't be Batman if we listen to letters. Like, you know what I mean? Like, Fulger would have been the Joker. That's what I'm saying.

It's like, we got to know where that line is. So I think that I can be right and wrong on this. Yeah. All right. So so much to talk about. Make sure you throw a comment in. We're going to lose coin in a second. I want to cover this last thing here too. This is interesting. The X-Men. Marvel Studios reboot, it could start shooting sooner than anyone expected. This is comic book movie from Josh Waldening. With X-Men 97 getting fans psyched for mutants all over again, a new report is now claiming that Marvel Studios' live action X-Men reboot could begin production even sooner than we expected.

Under former Disney's CEOs Bob Chapix watch, Marvel Studios began producing a seemingly endless stream of content from movies to TV shows to special presentations, started to feel like every character was given a new spot. hotline. Iger's back in charge and some, after some pricey streaming series and a handful of box office disappointments, Marvel Studios has returned to focusing on quality over quantity. However, that means some characters and franchises are going to be sideline, likely in preference for those that can produce guaranteed wins when you stop a thing about it. It's crazy that five years have passed since the last Avengers movie. Could that explain the latest X-Men

update? According to Production Weekly, the plan is now for Marvel's reboot to begin production in late 2025. This suggests that the new X-Men movie will be with us quite sooner than expected, though we'd caution that nothing is confirmed as we write this. The publication also claims that Shung Chi 2 will start production next March

with Armour Wars scheduled for 2024. Interestingly, it appears cameras could start rolling on Vision Quest later this year. Back to X-Men, though. And rather than waiting until a year or two after Avengers' Secret War concludes the multiverse saga, it would be wise for Marvel Studios to get on with rebooting those mutants

and launched several new franchises in the process, Wolverine, X-Force, and more eventually could join the X-Men movie. There's the return of the animated series this year, which we're very excited about. I saw some new final episodes today, which brings back that core for the X-Men are and that soap opera that the characters represent. Part of the fun is that I've been at this company for half my life,

and we're just now tapping into arguably one of the biggest aspects of the publishing history. It's pretty remarkable, and it's a testament to the House of Ideas and what Marvel Publishing has done these 80 years. The question is, how do we do it, when do we do it? and that's something we've been working on for years. I will tell you that I believe this report.

I believe it. I think that it makes sense. I think going back to business-wise, I do think the X-Men 97, when I was watching that with you, man, I'm going, oh, yeah, I really love the X-Men. I was like, and it wasn't a big, not that it wasn't a big fan,

I didn't watch the animated series, but I loved what I saw. The simple fact, because I was joking with you that you're now in your, you know, your old man era, And that like every time people would scream, you're like, shut the, because I want to listen. But which is fine. But if you notice, I think of, we've been to a lot of these things.

And it doesn't mean that they're having been. And then people hype. I don't feel like I have personally been in a room for anything. That has been, people have been that swept up with the exception of being in the movie theater for the night the first Avengers came out. And then being in the movie theater for both Infinity War and Endgame. Those are the only times where I felt people have been that rabid. Yes.

of what they were watching, and I think they have seen the discourse that has come out of X-Men in a couple weeks ago. We've got to figure it out right now. I also think that Kevin Faggy, and I have nothing to back this up except for my own theory.

I don't know this for a fact, but I do think that Kevin Faggy's been putting a lot of his energy into the X-Men and not the other things that we might not be liking as much. I mean, obviously the spread thin because of show running and also... Like the majority?

Yeah, I feel like, I mean, listen to that quote. He talks about like how much they've been wanting X-Men, how much he loves X-Men. He's been at this company, have his life. He's been waiting for X-Men. Well, I mean, Captain Figey started on X-Men. He's the one that got Hugh Jackman's accurate hair. He knows it. As a young

man, he was invested in the movie version. Now it's his. I think that's where he's He knows it's the future. Yeah. It is the future. It is the way... Yes, we've talked about on this show. After, I mean, you can have a movie that comes out before the next Avengers movie

to get everybody hyped up and then it leads into the movie which even would give you even more of the Kashish. And then once it's over, really just start leading with the X-Men. And that's your future. We've been talking about that forever. People love these characters. And they were, we used to get so bummed when the Fox movie started to get shitty.

And how lucky are we were leading from X-Men 97 in a Deadpool with X-Men? Right. Like, what a great, like this year is going to really remind everybody. Because I remember we were talking about X-Men coming out on the show. And the show hadn't aired yet. And you hadn't seen the originals. And I remember we were just saying the word X-Men. And you were like, I just want to talk about X-Men.

And it didn't exist yet. That's how big this can be. It is. And you're right, though, because that's X-Men 97 prove that people are hyped up about it. Deadpool's going to make people lose their minds on it. You're going to lose their minds. And this is all the different variants and everything that you're going to see inside of the X-Men, different Wolverines, and who else is going to show?

Gambit's going to show up. Because if I'm not mistaken, the main reason Disney decided to go by Fox was to get the X-Men. Fantastic Four. It was there, too, but hardcore on X-Men. They're like, you guys are screwing this up. We needed this anyway for some stuff we wanted to. to do by the whole studio. Buy it. I don't know how we do it, but do it.

Yeah. I agree with, I think this report is absolutely accurate. I think that you, if I think it is a smart move for them to start putting everything towards it. If I'm eager, I'm going stop productions on nonsense. Go after the X-Men. All right, what say you guys do you think we're getting X-Men sooner than later? Put your comments in there. Tell us exactly what you think. If you're brand new to the channel, subscribe to it, man.

Help us out. I'd like to thank Coy and Winston for being on the show today. Winston, we're going to find you. me at the Swaggy Blurt on all the platforms. I've been really, really pushing my YouTube right now. I've been putting content out, so go see my X-Men 97 reviews. That will we speak about it. And my breakfast, same new stuff on Instagram and TikTok.

I've been heavily doing YouTube as well. I just launched my comic book show over there where I'm going to be doing. Reviews my top comics, the news in comic books themselves, and previews of that week's comic books. If you want to get into comics, especially check out my YouTube. Launching a movie version of that really soon. But I just passed 22,000 subscribers this morning. So trying to hit 25K past 22.

Really happy about it. My name at YouTube, Coy, Jondro, thank you. Very easy, very simple to do. Make sure you check out the guys and support them over there. And you want to support this show? Like I said, our sponsors,

linked in the first comment, linked in the description below. That's how you can help out. So thank you for being with us today. For Coy and Winston and myself, see you later. Don't forget about our WrestleMania preview special tomorrow.

It's me and Chris Van Vleet and special guest, Kathy Kelly. So check us out. All right. Maybe it was right.