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I got the great Dan Merrill on the show, and man, are we going to talk about some stuff today? Dan just told me he saw Nightmare Alley. I'm going to get his brief thoughts on that, for sure. We'll talk about West Side Story. Oh, we'll talk about Paulo in Housaguchi, for sure. Spider-Man, Marvel, all of it. We have so much to talk about with me,

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It's you. it's Dan Merle. It's the big thing. Let's do it. What's up, everybody. Welcome back. Happy Monday. It's a big thing. Christian Harloff here. I hope you're enjoying your day. Hope you enjoyed your weekend. I hope you enjoyed the spectacular. Did you get it on pay-per-view?

If you didn't, you can still get it on pay-per-view. It's not going to be in public for this Friday. So I hope you did that. One of those people that was at the Superview. spectacular. He is the great Dan Merle. What up, Dan. How are you doing?

Good. I enjoyed the spectacular so much. I re-grew my beer. The whole way. A whole way. I like that. We are, of course, and it's nobody's secret. We're doing a little pretty tape.

Dan's in, in studio, because we have the spectacular coming up, very excited about that. It's going to be a hell of a show, and I'm excited to do it. But we were talking yesterday, I'm like, you know, didn't even think about this. You're available. let's do it because this is more our speed. We haven't really talked movies, you and I, just kind of shut the shit in a long,

kind of a long time. A long time and it's great to be face to face. Yeah, and we don't have to mask up on this one too, which is good too. It's very nice. So there's so much we have, and usually it's funny because I think,

and correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think even, because we first met back in the day when Mark and I were doing screen junkies and we just kind of always hit it off and you were editing back then. You were even on camera. No, I was doing it. like I would come in and like help direct.

Yeah. Yeah, I was editing the show. So I didn't, yeah, we just kind of talk while before and after you guys were doing stuff. I remember. And then we, we just kind of hit it off. But I, but I always feel like we're close, we're usually on the same page for a lot of stuff with films. Sometimes if, and even if we're able to, we're, we're, we'd be cordial when we don't agree with each other and kind of understand.

I always like talking movies with you because it's like, oh, really you like that. Part of it. I didn't see it the same way because. Right. And strangely enough, and I don't know if it's a smaller channel, and I only have right now at the moment, like 24,000, the conversations have been pleasant here. They have, yeah.

And have they been pleasant on yours? They have been. They're largely very pleasant, which is, it is very nice. And I mean, that's something that I always try to stress when I'm making a review is, you know, the way that the Internet works and, you know, so many channels out there, like, it's easy to fall into that thing of like, all right, best, worst thing ever. because you know what, there's been some times where I have thought that the movie is the worst thing ever

or really bad, and it generates a lot of clicks and attention. Like a movie we're going to talk about, house of Gucci. You know, I could put myself on the thumbnail going like, because that's how I really feel about the movie. You're not trying to say, oh, you know, someone came up to actually, Kalanowski was on, we were doing Sith Council, and he said to me, he goes, I never can tell with your thumbnails

if you like the movie, you don't like the movie, if you're making fun of it. Because Westside story, I was just kind of like singing. but I do that on purpose sometimes too. You know, I do that, but it just depends. But I always try to encourage, it's just like,

I don't, and most critics don't. I'd say maybe 10% of critics think that like, my opinion is the truth. And if you don't agree with me, you're stupid. Like, maybe even fewer than 10%.

But I always try to say like, it's like, listen, I'm lucky to have a voice, but like, I'm just some guy off the street. See, that's why I don't consider myself a critic because of that.

Like I consider myself somebody who just, and I know tomato tomato is, far as reviewing movies and critiquing movies. I just have always come from the school of, like, to me, like Leonard Malton's a critic, right? You know, like Bibiani, I think, is a critic. Oh, yeah. Like, Alonzo.

I disagree with him all the time. All the time. But, like, I've never seen him have an opinion that I'm like, that wasn't very well thought out. Like, no, he's, he's like, that's what a critic does. That's what a critic is. He's a critic. To me, he's a critic.

Alonzo Dural Day, the late great James Rachi, who just passed away, was a critic. Those are critics. I don't find myself to be. a critic. I find myself to be someone who I just reviewed a movie I saw. I gave my thoughts on it if you're if you're I like to talk to people when I'm doing my reviews the same way that you and I are talking now I'm not

gonna do Bibianis it's down you see I would almost put you in that critic category though because I know you're just a guy who talks movies but you do so much research and you're so well thought out and what you do I just talk like an asshole you know yeah but I also like I don't grade I don't grade on my channel like I when I go on Rott and It's sort of like a, you know, rock in a hard place because I don't like the binary thing.

So I do give like a rating on rotten tomatoes because I don't want it to just be like, you know, fresh rotten. Right, right. People like, why don't you grade? Why don't you give a grade? It's like, because like to me it's not about the grade. It's about the discussion. It's about the conversation. So like when I'm reviewing a movie, it's like this is what I think of the movie and I want to break it down.

But, you know, I don't want you to fast forward to the end of the video to see like, oh, did he give it, you know, four ducks? or did he give it to new bald eagles. Like that's, at that point it just becomes, that's why it's weird. Like my favorite critics, Roger Ebert. Yeah. I think that he was one of the best critics if you read his stuff, but at the same time, he and Gene Siskel sort of changed the game to thumbs up,

thumbs down. Right. Because it's the same as the YouTube thumbnails. It clicks. It traffics. Right. It's easy. Right.

It's people can tell. It's a green splat. It's a red, you know, a lot of people. I do, I do rotten tomato stuff on my show all the time on charts. People are like, why are you so caught up on Rotten tomatoes? It's like because there's so much more behind it than just a percentage number and a little thing. And, you know, nuance. I always say, nuance is boring, but I like, I like nuance.

Yeah, yeah, I get it. I still, it's funny. I think it's just because of nostalgia things. I still do, I'll throw the Schmo thing in there. Yeah. You know, and this came from Mark and I do in the Schmo system. But I feel the same. It's like, oh, yeah, how do I feel about this?

Blah, blah, blah. What did you give, well, obviously, you didn't give anything because you don't give ratings. but I gave a 4.5 for West Side Story. I didn't see, at this point, your review has been up for a little bit. So what did you think? I loved it. I loved it. And I went in like, how?

How can you, because it's so like, you know, I mean, obviously the original movie's got some stuff that's like not necessarily tied to the performances, the content of the movie, but just like it was made in the 60s and they did some dumb stuff. Right. But I was just like, how can you improve it? And I was blown away. It's one of my favorite movies. Do you know how I think that the major reason right away, even going into it, accepting of it, less so, like if they, if someone remade me made Rocky, right, it'd be very hard to get me on board with that.

Like even Karate Kid, which I don't think was a bad remake. It was just, it's just not the same, right? There's no reason to me to remake it. What do you bring into it? What are you adding to it? Yeah, but the difference from me right away with this was that how many iterations of Westside story have been done in Broadway on high school stages and college. That screen is Stephen Spielberg's stage.

Yeah. So what's the difference? You know, like, this isn't that, because the 1961 movie is not the original. The play is the original. The play is just an adaptation. So this wasn't some movie that was just some holy Bible movie that there are movies like that for sure that you, that's, you got to, if you touch it, you got to be careful. This is Spielberg. This is a love letter to the.

the play to the music, and boy, did this dude deliver in that Steven Spiel? This is when he has the magic. He's still like, this thing's beautiful, dude. It's gorgeous. Beautiful. And what I love was like, you know, and I talk about it, it's like, he didn't go in there saying like, I'm going to radically reinvent Westside Street. Didn't.

Because he knows that like 80% of it's already there. But it's things like, you know, Mara, I went with Mara. Yeah. She'd never seen them. Oh, ever. And never seen the movie. Hadn't heard most of the music. Wow.

That's fun, though. And three minutes in, she looks at me. and she was like, oh my God. Oh, that's great. And part of it that I think it opened things up so much because, like, I love the original. So Mara loved that. Mara loved it. Yeah.

She was blown away by it. And I loved it, too. And what I love is like things like, you know, even like numbers like the officer crupke song. And I told her like, because we're going to watch the original. Yeah, I just watched it last night with my daughter. It's like, that song is great. But like in the, in the original movie, they're in the store. But it's also riff is part of it.

Riff is part of it. Right. And it's like a lot. of the songs are like they're in a room. Yeah. And what Spielberg does is like he just opens this thing up so much and is able to, and Yanish Kerminski shot the hell out of this thing and it looks great, but to be able to go out in the streets and these big wide shots and stuff that you couldn't necessarily do at that scale in the 60s, he's just like, the world is my oyster here. And I am just going to open this thing up and it's like. I'm Steven Spielberg and here's my West Side story.

Yeah. And this is what he was going to do. And I think that I felt the same exact way that you did. I watched I know the 61 version very well My mom showed it to me when I was younger I watched it many times I tell the story on this show That my brother was maybe five at the time And this son is Maria Maria

I'll never stop saying Maria My five year old brother goes fine Turns the TV off And it goes we're not gonna watch this anymore And turns it off And I always remember that particular thing But I remember like And being a theater kid of Florida State

Like it just When I was 10 years old I was in an acting program And it was the first time I really remember being a part of it, learning the songs, the sharks, the jets, all of it, right? But I also remember, like, when you watch Raider Moreno singing the America song, they're in a soundstage. Yeah. And now it's amazing.

It's amazing. But it just, like you said, you're limited to what you can do. Yeah. The woman who plays, uh, Arianna DeBose. Oh, my God. So good. Every, the casting I thought in this thing. And we'll get into the Ansel, Egort side of it as far as the, the performance in the second.

But like, I, I was. watching her and these standouts. Holy crap, the casting in this movie is fantastic. Rachel Ziegler. Oh, Superstar. It's like, I can only think of a few times where I'm watching a movie and it's someone that I haven't seen before. And I'm like, that person is going to be a megastard.

You can't stop watching her. No, she's brilliant. And God bless and rest in peace to Natalie Wood. And her accent is actually pretty good in the movie, but in no world she'd been cast as Maria. She was a name. She was the name. But in no world today would she be cast as Maria. No. For many, many, many different reasons. But this was a, and, and again, comparing it, because I had not seen West Side Story, the 61 version in a little bit, but remembered it enough, right? And then I watched West Side Story, the Spielberg version. It's in my head the whole time. And I was kind of singing

the songs around the house. It's hard not to afterwards. And my daughter was like, what is that? My daughter is interested in plays and stuff too. And she, I started showing, I showed her the America thing. She fell in love with it. She's like, can we watch the movie?

And I said, do you want to wait for the new one? Or do you want to watch? She's like, I want to watch the original first. So we watched it and we watched the 61 version. And she's like, I liked a lot better up and before the rumble because nobody's,

right? And she was super sad and everything too. But Broadway kids. Rock Golden Broadway. It'll light of paint all sunshine and rainbows, right? But, but comparing it and watching that. It was an interesting thing to do.

Because like I said, The riff thing with Officer Kruppke bothered me when I watched it at first. He wasn't in it. It was actually Roka who said, yeah, but think about it. They portray this riff. He's less goofy in this one. Or he's like, you know, and they want to portray him as more serious, got more of that edge.

And it doesn't make sense for him to be there for that one. And I agreed. I agreed with him when he said that, yeah. Well, and they also like, without giving too much away, but there's one number that like, I actually, when I watch the 61 version, it's kind of my least favorite, because I think it stops things dead in this track.

That's a boy, boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Because you just had this big thing happen. Yes, yes. And then the movie just kind of stops. Yeah. Just in this room. They gave it to,

they switched the order around. It was actually one of my favorite numbers because it makes sense where it is. It makes sense why they're doing it. It's a completely different motivation, but they get business to do and there's a whole thing. Like I said, you know, without giving too much way.

But it's more with Tony and Riff. Yep. And it like, it just comes alive. And it's like they took one of my least favorite parts in the original and completely changed it. I agree with you. But I wasn't sitting there like, oh, what are they doing? Because Spielberg obviously has respect because of everything else he does. It's like the choreography, like Jerome Robbins, you can see all that original stuff in there.

And the music is beautifully, like, David Newman, like he arranges it beautifully. But like they didn't go in and change around all this stuff. It wasn't like, other movies where they're like, well, I'm going to turn this song into like, when they did Lion King and they turned Be Prepared. into like a spoken beat poetry or whatever the hell of it. It's like, no, they know it works and Spielberg's going to kind of do some stuff. You're right. The changes

that he made were so subtle that they were subtle enough that in my head, I'm going, was that in the original movie? I don't remember it being in the original movie? And then when you watch it like, no, he changed it up, but it wasn't so jarring that it hurt the story. Nothing that he changes hurts the story. Nothing that he just

changes the story. He just maneuvers things around a little differently to tell the story to where I think that there are some improvements in this movie. Like very much so. Ansel Eaggart, not getting into the controversy and everything too,

because to be completely honest with you, I'm not well read enough about it to say what I know and what I don't know. Yeah. So I don't know enough about it. I'm the same. I mean, it's like, people brought it up

and several people didn't. I'm just like, I get it. It's, it's, I just don't know enough about it. I don't know enough about it to whether to say,

or, I don't know, I don't know enough about it. What I will say is what people were going after with him was saying that they didn't think he had chemistry. he was boring.

They thought that he wasn't, he didn't have that thing. I disagree. I actually liked him in the role. I thought that he, I thought he had great chemistry with her. I thought she was the standout. I thought she outshined him,

but I thought they worked well. I believe that they were in love. And I actually thought that he's a little, like, because even, again, not giving anything away, they give something new to Tony in this

that wasn't in the original, something like kind of his past. Yeah. And I bought it with him. And I bought it with him and I said, okay, that's, and I understood him trying, this, this thing, how, why? In the originally, he just doesn't want to be part of the Jets anymore. There's no motivation as far as why. He's like, I'm a grocery boy now.

I'm just done. I don't know what I do. Yeah. And that's it. But there's a motivation here and I thought he did it well. Did you like him in this movie? I did. When I was talking about, because in my review, I'm going down and it's like all of these things.

And, you know, Rachel Zegler and, you know, every character and, you know, Bernardo. Bernardo. And I, what, what? what I said about Ansela Elgort was like, it's kind of like my thoughts on Godfather 3. I've never thought Godfather 3 was a terrible movie. The problem is it's next to two masterpieces. And that's how I kind of felt about Ansel Elgort.

He can sing. He can dance. He can act. He is a movie actor in a cast full of like Tony winners and nominees and stage actors. And so he's like, he's good. But the problem is that he's next to six people that are brilliant. Right. And so that was my thing.

But it's like I wasn't like sitting there with Russell Crow and Lehman is like, oh my God. No. What are they doing? No, no, no. No, he can do the part. It's just that everybody else. It's just so great. It's so great.

And he's got so many scenes with Rita Moreno. And it's just like, I don't care who you are. Riff was great. Yeah. I don't care who you are. If you're on screen with Rita Moreno, you're going to be looking at Rita Morano. That's right. You know.

Yeah. And then you felt the same about Rachel Ziegler, by the way. Yeah. Like just the second she shows up because it is a who is that. And then you're like, because that's answered very quick. When you asked yourself who is this, your answer right away goes, that's Maria. That's Maria. Immediately.

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Save $5 off. Thank you so much to Magic Spoon for sponsoring this episode. All right. Let's move on over here. He's standing here with Dangerous Dan Merle. Let's just get into this Apollo thing. Yeah. You and I immediately felt exactly the same way. House of Gucci. Were you anticipating,

were you looking forward to this movie? I thought, because, you know, When I'm reviewing a movie, I try not to, I try, yeah, I'll take a little. Thank you. When I'm reviewing a movie, I try not to read too much of that initial stuff because I want to go in with a clear mind.

But sometimes it's one of those movies that, like, I just opened Twitter and it's a wall of stuff. Right. And it was all over the map. Like, I saw some people, like, it's the godfather. And some people were just like, it's a train wreck. So it really was good because I went in, like, not knowing what to expect.

And the first hour of the movie, I was like, I love this movie. Yeah. And then. And then we hit the Jared Leto part of the movie. He really, he really bothered you. He stops the movie deadness tracks. Okay.

For me, okay. A lot of people was like, oh, he was the highlight, but I think it's a lot of people that didn't like the movie. Like, for me,

I was digging the movie. Yeah. And then he derailed the whole train. For you, okay. Never got back all the way on track for me. Not as strong for me. I,

we share the same sentiment that he's playing Luigi in this thing. And he is, he is a, he is a Saturday Night character in a, in a serious film. And I think, you said it best when it was like it's kind of like a look at me performance as opposed to everyone I was saying Adam Driver and Lady Gaga are kind of trying to build the ensemble and make everything

work and I mean they're larger than life but like he's just like I forgot about everyone else in the scene and not in a good way when he came on screen because it's just like he looks like when I was talking to Roke again about this one Roker's like ah but he looks if you watch an interview with this Palo guy they look the same they sound the same I don't know which palo he's looking at because I looked at Palo Gucci he don't know like don't Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, he wasn't doing that. He was, he was, he sounded fine. And he didn't have that floppy, ridiculous bald head going on and whatever.

I mean, it was, I don't know. And that's a Ridley Scott thing too, because Ridley Scott approved it. But that being said, he didn't bother me as much as he bothers you because I think that there was a point of it where it's like, okay, he's definitely in like in a different movie. But I can go with it. And then we just moved through it. But he just took you out of it. Completely. Yeah.

Because he's like, I've gone, okay, I'm going to say my wife's like this, but then I'm going to go up here. Why are you going to do this to me? It's so good. It really does sound exactly like him. I have my design for the Nusuit for the Gucci. It's almost like Adam Sandler. It is 100%. Oh, I don't know.

Don't do that. Don't do it. This is my master. of a piece. And even just like... I do peace in there 88. And even like when he's doing coverage, like the coverage, he's like doing weird faces and stuff, it's like every second that he's on camera, it's like the most just like a pay

attention to me. It does seem to me. So he's, so you told me before he's, he's really getting buzz for this role? Yeah, he is. I don't get it. He is a hundred percent getting buzz for this role. I don't get it. I don't get it.

I never understand award season, though, to be honest with you. It's like, I'm glad. when the movies come out of certain things. And that's another reason I'm glad that you're on the show because I wanted, like there's a lot of movies. I have a lot of the screeners, a lot of things, but there's certain things. Just because Netflix is so in the game now

and they have so many movies and there's so much that I don't even know what the hell to watch anymore. I did watch, I watched King Richard. Yeah, great. Loved it. I thought it was great. Thought it. It was funny because I watched Tick-Tick Boom first.

Loved it. As did I. And I said, Garfield's got it. And I watched King Richard. 15 minutes in. I said, oops,

sorry Garfield. I think I watched them on the same day. Did you? I was like, Will Smith's amazing. And then I watched Tick,

Tick Boone. I was like, Andrew Garfield's amazing. It's so good. That they're both like. So good. I would give it to Will Smith over Garfield at the moment.

Who else is being talked about for best actor? Well, there's been a Cumberbatch. For what? Power of the dog. I never saw. I have it.

Is it good? I got to say, it's like the leader in the clubhouse right now. That's the leader. I'm like, Jane Campion and like, I'm in Arkansas now. Yes.

And it's been a little tough. I was wondering why I didn't get an invite to the house. And I was like, oh, you must not be here anymore. It's exactly. It's been a little tough with screenings. Like,

we've made like five trips to Dallas. Yeah. To, like we had to go to Dallas to see Westside story. Like, okay. It's the first world problem. I'm not going to,

where? Dallas. It's five hours one way. And we go back and up the same day because that's where, that's where the screenings are. Holy man. And listen, I knew that going in.

I'll do what I got to do. Right. Netflix has, been the only studio, every one of their contenders, they're screening a little rock. Oh, wow. They're making sure that people get out to see this. So Power the Dog, I actually was supposed to go see. It was a Monday, so Chargwan ran over, and of course it's the leader.

So I did get a chance to see it. So I got to catch up on that, hopefully this weekend, because I got to vote in one of my critics things. This is why I have you on the show, because I have to do the same, and I need to know what to watch these things. I'm not as caught up as I used to be. Well, that's the other thing is, like, all of these voting deadlines are so early. Like all these critics. I see there's critics groups today, like New York film critics. I think we're in the same one.

So we're in the same one. So I think I need to know when my, when the BFCA, right? Yeah, I don't know when the deadline is. I haven't gotten anything. I haven't gotten anything. No, yeah, I don't know when the deadline. Power the dog, I need to see. Okay.

Oh, you haven't seen that one. I haven't seen it yet. All right. But there's so many that are coming out. I'm telling you one, it's a sleeper. What you got? I saw it. It's coming out on Netflix at Christmas.

Don't look up. Which one's that? It's Adam McKay's new movie. Oh, okay. With Leo and Jennifer Lines and John the Hill. Yeah. Is it great? It's, I loved it.

Great, yeah, so I'm looking forward to that one. You think it's sleeper? It's not subtle. Okay. But I think it'll hit with a lot of people. And it's not getting a lot of buzz right now because not everyone has seen it. I don't think a lot of the critics have even seen it because it just screened last week. No, they had that Sandra Bullock one that just came out, right?

Or coming out. Yeah, that one, I don't know. No one knows about. But the Leonardo DiCaprio one, I really want to see. He was great. Okay. Everyone's great. I laughed more in that movie than I have at any movie all year.

Is it a full comedy or it's more like the mixture? It's a comedy and a satire. And again, it's not a subtle satire. Yeah. It's obviously born out of a lot of frustration over the past year and a half. But I laughed more at that movie than I have any movie this year. One of my favorite movies this year.

All right. That's good to know. So that one's to check out. So don't look up Power of the Dog. So Bennett Comabatch, Andrew Garfield. Cody Smith McPhee. For?

Supporting actor for Power of the Dog. Okay. Like now is the leader. He's like the number one guy. What is this about this movie? I don't know either. Okay. You just heard, okay.

I tried to go in blind. So I was so pissed that I missed the screening because like that was like way at the top of my list. Screener came yesterday for BFCA. So you should get it soon. Yeah. I'm just not at home. So it's like, but it's out too though.

Now Power the Dog came out on Netflix this week. Oh, you can watch it on Netflix. Right now. So I got to see it. I got to see it. I know that some people I saw Snyder tweet. He's like,

no way in hell this is going to win anything. It's a boring and it's long. You never know with him. Sometimes he nails it. Sometimes he's on Mars. Exactly. But, you know, Jane Campion is like the leader for director

and Cody Smith McPhee and Cumberbatch. Like that's like the big one I haven't seen yet. But you never know these movies that are front runners early and then they fade. What I love about this season, this award season is last year, I think because not as many movies came out. And also because of the weird February thing.

Right. Last year, like Nomad Land came out in like September at Toronto. Yeah. And like that was it. Like the whole award season, It was like, it's got to be Nomadland. Right. It's going to be Nomad Land.

You get to the Oscars. It's nomad land. Right. This year, there's not a movie. Even though Power of the Dog, a lot of people are saying like, oh, yeah, I mean, it's like, there's not one, I don't think there's one category where people are like, this person's winning. Right.

I love that. It could go anyway. It could go anyway. This house of Gucci is probably going to get not made. Maybe. I don't mind the movie. I mean, I liked it. Yeah, but it's, it's, but I, best picture, I don't know.

But, like, so best actress? What are they talking about? Lady Gaga's in the mix. Yeah. Lady Gaga's in the mix. I'm trying to think. I mean, right now, Rachel Zegler's not getting up. She's climbing.

She's climbing. She's climbing. You think Westside Story is getting nominated for Best Picture? I think so. Okay. All these, you know, like, and I get that you have this whole awards industry, and they've been prognosticating for like six weeks now. But the problem is nobody's seen these movies.

Right. Now people are starting to see them. And I think West Side Story, especially coming out at the end of the year, for the Oscars especially. Yeah. I, it's just like, it is that return to like that movie magic. And so I, I certainly hope that it's going to get a lot of awards attention. And honestly, I think, I love so many of the movies that have won best picture.

But let's be honest, like they're not crowd pleasers. A lot of them, yeah. Nomadland is not a crowd pleaser. Million dollar baby. No, you know, it's like, I'm not saying that these movies shouldn't have won. They should have won. It's just the way it's worked out. I think the Oscars need a best picture winner that is like a, a,

crowd favorite that a bunch of people have seen. I think that West Side Story could be that movie. It's still, though, even, but even West Side Story, though, doesn't that pretty? No. And it's got a lot of, themes. But you walk out, the music and the cinematatica, it's great acting.

It's like, it's, it's something that I think, you know, people are going to rediscover what they love about movies, whereas, like, I love Belfast. Belfast was a great movie. If Belfast won best picture, I would be so happy because it's a great movie, but it's another one of those movies that's gonna be like the movie fans like it and the critics like it's not even that it's dark.

It's just not like one of those big movies. Like 90% of the audience movie going audience isn't gonna see it because it's just not that kind of a movie. They should, but they're not gonna. I think the Oscars need to find a movie that's like people can watch the show and root for it. Right. You know, like they did with Return of the King or Titanic

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The English. Let them say you do it. So going into this streaming conversation, what I've been saying is that I think that there's so many purists out there and understandably so. And whether it's a Ridley Scott on the high side of thing are people who just like to watch movies critics that we were talking about before.

The evolution of the industry, like any other industry, has now geared itself that the theater is really meant for blockbuster films. because of what streaming is able to do. When the theater experience was the theater experience at its height, let's say, let's say it, not necessarily in the height, let's say in the 70s and the 80s. You don't have TVs like this. You didn't have sound systems.

You didn't have all these different ways to what you did. Four networks on a little box TV. So why in the world would you want to watch anything on this crappy television when you could go to the theater and watch the big thing? And a movie star was royalty and a movie star. Everybody with a TikTok account now is a famous person. So it's such a different world now that kids growing up, it doesn't matter to them spectacle is the blockbuster.

So that's how they're going to see it. I know it pains people to hear it. But when I don't need to see, I did see how Scucci in the screening. But I was invited to the screening and I went and saw it. West Side Story. So I don't know if I'm paying for those movies to go. I think that West Side Story was an experience you should see in the theater.

That's one that I would say. I would be, I know, I know, but people aren't going to be shelling out dollars. If you have a chance to see, you know, Spider-Man in the theater.

Yeah. Or West Side Story, you ain't seeing West Side Story in the theater. You can see it in the, you can see it once it hits the screen, and I can't wait to show it, like, to my daughter and watch it back here with her,

and she's going to watch it, but I know how much, much you enjoy film. I know how much of a student of film you are. Where do you stand on the fact that like what the theater experience is now, you know, as opposed to like the streaming and what streaming has done to the business? I mean, it's a complicated conversation because I believe now and, you know, probably always will, I think that the best way to see any movie if it was made for the big screen, right? And most directors still are making it for the big screen is on a big screen. COVID complicates it.

Yeah. Because there's people that don't feel safe, people that can't go. Right. I understand that. It sucks. It sucks. That's where we are.

When people say, like, do you think that COVID, you know, killed the, the screen? I think that it put the foot in the accelerator by probably about three or four years. But I think we'd be where we are now in, you know, 2024, 2025. It's weird because there's so many movies like,

you know, you take a movie like The Power of the Dog. Right. Or you take a movie like Tick, Tick, Boom, for example. Tick, Tick, Boom. We saw it have one in the Heights. Yeah. Nobody wouldn't see it.

Right. And I think even looking, I don't think it was necessarily COVID-related. I think fewer people saw it. But I think... Musicals is a tough sell in general. Yeah. Netflix, by making Tick, Tick, Boom, putting it out. Netflix put that movie in more people's living rooms than it ever would have been in.

Yeah. Without Netflix. Right. Right. That people can do it. just click it and watch it, and maybe who knows how many people are actually going to, are going to discover musicals or see this Andrew Garfield performance. So that's a positive.

Yes. That's objectively, that's a positive. I think when you're making a movie for Netflix as a filmmaker, then I'm a little more in favor of it because you're on that page from the beginning. You know what the deal is, which is that you're going to get a, some of them are, you're going to get a limited theatrical release. Not many people are going to go see it. Even if a much people do, no one's going to know about it because Netflix isn't going

and release the numbers because they don't, which is a box office guy drives me freaking nuts. But you know that it's made, you know, the gray area for me is things like the HBO Max stuff, which thankfully we're rotating out of this year. See, I'm on a different side, but we'll, we get it to that. That for me is like, it's like, you know, you're welching on a deal. It's like, you know, Denny Villeneuve made Dune under the assumption that, you know, that's a different thing.

But that's different. But I also think that, I think that eventually we're going to go to a bit of a hybrid strategy. Like I think 30 days out or something. Well, I mean, the theatrical window now is basically cut in half. It's now 45 days. It's two weeks for some movies, which again, it's fine. Like focus features, there's smaller movies.

If you want to put that in front of people, a premium video on demand after two weeks, it's not a movie that's going to do a bunch. It's not going to step on anyone's toes, really. You know, so I think that we're revolutionizing it, but I think we're going to go to more exclusives for some movies and short 45-day theatrical windows for other ones. I don't think a movie like Dune is going to ever not play on a big screen. Right.

So where I stand on HBO Max, I agree with you that whoever you're making a deal with needs to be aware of what that deal is going into it. There's no argument there. I'm on the same page with you there. I am not on the same page with a lot of people when it comes to the strategy of, like HBO Max, I love the idea that it comes out same day.

But I think the director has to be on board, whoever has to be on board when you're going into the deal. Yes. but I always try to tell people who aren't parents and who are in that family side of things that it is very hard if I don't go to a screening like my wife never gets to go to the movies

right she's never gets chance like date night every once in a while but she likes to see all this stuff so it's been great for her to be able to see like King Richard when it came out on the day of before did they read did they take back like Matrix was supposed to come out is Matrix still coming out on they're all see the problem is the whole thing with Denny

even move was, you know, they said like, well, are they going to, are they going to take it off so it's not premiering day and date? And they can't do that because they advertise from the beginning of the year all of our movies. So they can't welts. I know, but that's going to be, yes, for all those, but the latest, like, I don't know if it said trailer number two, but then I turned up a TV trailer for Matrix. At the end of it, it says it's available only in theaters. Now, I don't know if that was the, the Japanese trailer that came out afterwards, that maybe, maybe that it's just there. I don't know because HBO Maxx. Either way, I like the idea that it comes out day of because there's certain movies that I can go and I can see.

However, if it turns out to be 30 days afterwards, I'm on board. I don't like the Disney Plus model of I'm already subscribed and I also have to pay $30. That's that's leaching off your audience. Yeah. That's leaching off your audience. What I do understand and like is let's say, so I don't know, Shang Chi comes out. Yeah. Shang Chi comes out and they say, all right, look, we're going to.

going to put it after 30 days, it's going to be on Disney Plus. But we're also going to make it available. If you're not subscribed to Disney Plus, then you can go buy it for $20 or $30 on Amazon. Right. Right. Which is roughly kind of what they're already doing. Yeah, but they're also charging their Disney Plus subscribers. Right.

Why am I subscribed to your service then? Don't do that to me. Like that's like, there's no reason for that. It's like, that's what I like about HBO Max. You're on board, then you get the benefits. Yeah. It's like, well, then you get to unlock it earlier. Eat shit.

I think that we're going to transition to a place where there are going to be movies that have a window of exclusivity. That's what HBO is going to move to or toward next year, I think. And there's going to be more, probably more movies that they make with the understanding up front. This is going to premiere only on HBO Max. There's going to be a smaller number of movies that are in theaters. And as a big screen guy's guy who prefers to watch movies in a theater, I can be comfortable with that. If you allow people the option for some amount of time so that if you want to go see it on the big screen, you can.

And obviously, when it's safe, et cetera, I'm okay with that. I've sort of come around a little bit. It's sort of like the, you know, whatever, stages of grief. I'm at acceptance. Right. And I understand that the world is going to change. So for me, it's pretty much my best case scenario is if we get to these studios, they agree with certain directors.

We will give you this window of exclusivity. And by the way, there's some movies like Spider-Man, No Way Home. Got to see that in the theater. There is no financial model that makes sense for Disney to put that exclusively. Because, and we've seen this, yes, you are taking home more of the money from the streaming than from selling a movie ticket.

But you are tanking it because it is pirated instantly. Yeah. And if there's any country that it has not opened in, I mean, Jungle Cruise came out in China and made $2. Yeah. Because people have been able to watch it for months. Right. And so there are some movies like Spider-Man No Way Home.

I think that the theatrical model is the best financial model for that movie. I agree with you. And I think that that's also why going into the beginning of this whole conversation was that there were just those spectacle movies that should be seen in the theaters in general, right? And right now, whether it changed, changes in 10, 15 years, who knows, but it's Marvel, it's DC, it's Star Wars. I mean, and with Star Wars, the push, you know, on Star Wars where I've been saying it, and I don't know where you stand on it, is that for me, I don't really care about seeing a Star Wars

movie in the theater right now, because Star Wars, I think that Marvel has a different approach right now, because Marvel has essentially made a television show on the big screen for the last, what, 14 years, whatever it was, and starting with Iron Man, whatever that was. Yeah. So they have been doing that to where it's, you're like, okay, this is the model that's built, and they have a full, clear plan.

So every time you're watching it, it's episodic almost in a certain aspect. Star Wars has really latched onto that episodic through television. And the building of the galaxy of how big the galaxy is in Star Wars is benefiting through long-form storytelling, through Mandalorian.

Obi-Wan is much better fitted for television in a six-hour movie, really, by Debra Chow directing the whole thing. As opposed to what happened in the new trilogy, no plan, throwing things together, and it's just a mess. But the Patty Jenkins movie was a movie, the Rogue Squadron movie,

was a movie that I was interested in seeing because there's no predetermined expectations. There's no expectations of what you think is supposed to happen or who needs to be in it. You can build out the same way you do with Mandalorian, but it's a one-off. That, to me, is how I want to see Star Wars move forward, unless they wind up doing like Old Republic,

three movies to set it off with a plan, and then that leads into a television series. That's how I think you make Star Wars work, but I don't need to see it in the theater right now. I think, you know, you always have to follow the market. And I really do believe most Marvel fans. Now, there's always going to be some people you give them an option to watch at home.

they're going to be like, yes, that's what I want to do. Understandable. I think if you go to most Marvel fans today, and you said, would you rather see Spider-Man No Way Home for the first time at home, by yourself or with like one or two other people, or in a theater with 200 other excited, like, do you stop Marvel fans on opening night?

I think that most MCU fans would say, I want to see it in a theater with a bunch of other people because I want to see, are these guys in it, are they not in it? What do we don't? What do we don't? I want to cheer. I want to, you know, and I think people feel that way

about Avengers in game, the same way. But I think if you go to somebody, he's like, would you rather watch King Richard at home or in the theater, they'll go like, I don't care.

Can I watch it at home? Especially the casual fan. Yeah. Especially the casual fan. He's not just the Marvel fan, right? Like, and I always bring up my friend John Pinto. He's not in our bubble.

Loves movies. Yeah. Probably didn't even know what we wanted, had a TV show coming out until I told him last time I saw him a month ago. He's going to, King Richard probably doesn't even know

what it is. if I called them and told them to watch it, he'll watch it and love it. But where do I go to see it? You can watch it on HBO Max? Great. But what about what, what do you really want to see? I'll probably watch that Spider-Man movie. That'll probably go see in the theater.

Exactly. Because that's how it's built right now. The only thing that I would ask as a fan of the big screen experience is I understand the people that want to watch it at home. Right. I get it. Crowds do suck. They're awful.

The theaters don't enforce anything. The theatrical experience is a shadow. of what it once was. Right. I understand that. The compromise I would ask is allow those of us just like a two-week window. Yeah. To get the movie first.

Yeah. And then you can watch it at home, but like I just, I would only hope that the streaming folks understand that there needs to be enough of an exclusivity window for people to watch things theatrically so that there's still a choice. I agree. So that it makes financial sense for some movie theaters to still operate and be open so that the Vista here in L.A., which is a great theater. a lot of history can still keep their lights on and keep their doors open.

And just understand that there's people that want that and be okay with, even if it's a week or two weeks, that those folks are going to get it first for some movies because that's just how that movie is coming out. Right. You know, instead of just being, I want everything now and I want it my way and I want it at home and I don't want it any the way and I don't want anyone else to have it any other way. It's like, well, then you're just being an asshole.

I'm sorry. Right. And it's been, and it's like this instant thing that everybody has now. I want, I can get it right now. I can just turn it on and stream it. And that's, but there's so much material, though, too.

That's another reason. Well, that's the thing that hurts some of this stuff that comes out because there's just, why am I going to spend $15 to see this movie when I can stay home with the subscription that I pay for and watch something pretty big and all these other shows? But before we get into it, I do want to talk to you because we got you for a little bit more. I want to talk to you about, let's see if you've been watching Hawkeye. I want to hear your thoughts on Spider-Man because we kind of briefly touched about it.

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That's true. Use the every minute. Speaking of Marvel and speaking of that. So what are you, they be watching Hawkeye? I'm one behind. You're okay. Wednesday was our travel day. We flew here last week on Wednesday and we were up all night like packing and getting

all that stuff. So I haven't seen three. I saw the first two. Right. Um, so I got to, uh, I got to catch up. Okay. So I am, um, I'm three. I, I, I got all three.

I got all three that in the, in the can. Um, so out of, and, and I'll explain after I say this, but out of all the series so far, it's my least favorite. Um, I think the chemistry is great between the two of them. Yeah. I love Haley Steinfeld. I love, and renter's good in this one. Um, I just, there's certain things about, like the first episode I had, I did have,

I mean, people mistook what I was saying here, too. Like, there's a lot of characters that this happens to in movies, but it always bothers me. They explained well that five years old, she learned whatever it was karate, whatever. All this, archery, everything. Everything. So, and she was, and she, she knew it. My problem wasn't that she knows how to fight very well.

My problem is that the second she puts on the Ronan costume, she's flipping off of cars, she's fighting gangsters, and like, oh, she got hit before. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how accepting she is of just like, I'm in it. I'm in it. And there was no like, you know, it's just like then what I will say in episode three, there's a character that they introduced that I won't ruin it for you,

but they actually explain very similar to Kate Bishop. Right. But they show you why and how she is as accepting and what she came up with. So when she's doing it, I'm going, oh, yeah. she's great. This character they introduce in three, phenomenal. Right.

So, and I think that there's just so, there's a little, like the, the track suit gang or whatever, you either love them or you think they're really goofy. Yeah.

I'm finding them to be a little too goofy for me. They were goofy in the first too. They're goofy in the third as well. And it's like, there's, it's like, I can't take them serious because they're basically just there for a gag.

Yeah. These are always tough because, you know, I review some of them week to week. I probably would be reviewing Hawkeye week to week if I weren't, because I'm traveling this Wednesday, too. So I'm probably going to be two behind. Where are you going next? Home.

Oh, you're going home, about you back. Okay, so I'm a full week? It's full week, yeah. So, you know, when you're reviewing week to week, it's like watching a movie and reviewing it 15 minutes at a time. It's tough. It's really hard. The first two I actually liked, you know,

Loki through the first five, I think, or however many episodes, is my favorite by far. And I didn't think it quite stuck the landing, but I love Loki. What I like about Hawkeye is I think it changes things up, or at least the first two episodes, it changed things up a little bit because I, to one degree or another, I enjoyed all the ones so far.

But when you look at the lineup, like Wanda Vision, Loki, Falcon of the Winter Soldier, and what if? After most of those episodes are over, you're like, I need to drink. I need to, like, go sit in the dark room alone for an hour and, like, contemplate the meaning of life. It's like, those are some heavy stuff.

There's some heavy stuff in it. It's true. And this one for me, when I got the first two Hawkeyes down, I was just like, it's fun. I just, I don't feel like I've been through a philosophy class. I like the, I like the, it's not that I mind the tones of those shows. I liked all of those shows to, to, to some extent, some more, some less. But this one felt more like, you know, okay, this one's a little lighter. It's Christmas.

It is goofy. It is silly. But I don't mind that tone because it sort of changes things up. I'm one of those people that thinks that. they should have flip-flopped Eternals and Falcon and the Winter Soldier should have been a movie. I think Eternal should have been a TV show. I think they both would have been better served by it. But, you know, I think that they're doing, the MCU is really weird right now because I think that they're sort of,

for the first time since phase one, to me, they're sort of kind of reaching around, scrounging around for like, what are we doing? What are we doing? We've got Multiverse here. Well, we've got Wanda over here doing her thing, but we've got Loki and the timeline here. And I'm sitting there as a fan going like, what does any of this mean?

Like, how is all of this going to ever come together? So it's kind of nice to be watching a show where it's just like Hawkeyes in New York for Christmas and he wants to get home. Yeah, I mean, I think that's a great point. Like I said, I don't mind the show. I just have you had me rank them all together. It's just the one that I've, my wife loves it.

And I think for exactly what you just said, exactly what you just said. It's just the kind of, she didn't watch Loki. She didn't get into Wanda Vision. She liked Falcon and Winter Soldier. But she just is, she likes the back and forth, the fun, the goofiness of it. And I think, yeah, it's not that I dislike it. It's just, I don't know what it is.

Maybe it's getting older. And it's like this, I love the Loki stuff. And I like to be able to lock into it. But you mentioned the multiverse, so let's just close it out with Spider-Man. As a box office guy. with the tickets the way that they're going. Is this thing going to be in the top five movies of all time? I don't know about that.

Okay. I think that this is, you know, I mean, sadly things change day by day. But as long as things hold roughly how they're holding right now outside of the theater. Right. Right. The thing that I've been saying is I think that this is going to be the first post-pandemic movie in the sense that it's going to do as well as it would have done if nothing had happened. So I think that this is going to be one of those movies

when I'm looking at the numbers as a box office guy that I don't have to like qualify anything or say like, well, but it was in this or this amount of theaters or these theaters were closed or it was on this service or I think it's going to be, this is the movie. I think there's going to be a lot of movies that haven't been, people that haven't been in a theater since 2019. Yeah.

They're going to walk into the theater for the first time to see this movie. This is the first big movie, like real big movie since. If things don't get, worse between now and then, which they, I hope they don't. But at the same time, I also think there's a point at which people are just going to have to, are going to say, like, I've got to sort of do what I can and protect myself and others as best I can, but I also want to live life. And this is the first movie that I think has got that mass appeal where a lot of people are just going to be like, you know, and I hope that everyone does what's right for them and people should stay safe.

And theaters need to make it safe and enforce guidelines. And if you're in a hot spot, then people should be doing what they need to do. but this for me is like, I'm not going to say all time, but I think this is going to be the first movie since 2019 that we look at and we're like, it's just, this is just how it would always be. Do you think it's going to deliver? You think it's going to be good?

I hope so. I hope so. It's a lot. Do you like the trailers? I do. I was actually really worried, because it kind of reminded me the Snyder cut thing, and it's not like the people,

it's just that like, before they put out the Snyder cut, like Warner, like I remember like Lorraine Warren died. And Warner Brothers put, about like a tweet that's like remembering Lorraine Warren. She's the, you know, and like all the only comments were released a Snyder cut. And it's like, there's a time and a place. Right. And there's things like that, that journal for Jordan movie came. The trailer came out for with Michael B. Jordan that's coming out.

And like it was like, all the dislikes were on it. And people were like, where's my trailer for Spider-Man? And so I was worried that Sony was going to like give, like, kind of bow to the pressure and like do the, if there's a big reveal. And we all know what that big reveal. And we all know what that big reveal. Right. Right. I was worried that they were going to bow to that pressure.

And show it. in that second trailer because they're like, oh, okay, fine. I'm glad they didn't bow to that. I think it was smart because you still have that buzz going into the movie. I do too, but I think that at some point... There's a lot going on in this movie. I hope they're able to keep the thread. That's my only thing.

Yeah, my... I mean, the reveal obviously is everybody is Toby and Andrew if it happens, right? If it happens, but the reason why I agree with you, I don't think they should have showed it, but once the movie comes out and once people start talking about it, and depending on how it does opening weekend, it might, because it might not need it. But going back to the John Pinto's of the world,

that if you start marketing with those guys, or at least with Toby. If that happens, it's going to be in a TV ad on Saturday afternoon. Afternoon, I think so too. 100% will be. Our last thing, I know you're a Jurassic Park guy. Yeah.

And I know how much you hated Jurassic World. Not a fan. Not a fan. So the, I didn't mind the Jurassic World, was that, was it 2015? Jurassic World? Yeah.

And then what was the second one called? Fallen Kingdom. That one was terrible. I didn't care for that one. The beginning of that movie was great. The little, that's seen underwater. What a fun scene that was. And then it just all went downhill.

It's not terrible. I hate that movie. They're different like me. You know, I, oh my God, I can't write it. I forgot about that. Throw her down there in the gas room with a dinosaur. Just kill this franchise off once it's it. Well, see, but I wanted them this.

I'll tell you why I'm hopeful for it. Yeah. Because what I wanted from this franchise was ultimately what they're doing now. I wanted Planet of the Apes. Yes. And it looked. Which they teased in the last one. They teased in the last stupid shot of the movie.

Stupid, but they should have done that. How many parks do we have to go to? How many times we can do the same shit over and over again? This is the movie I've been wanting to see in concept since they, it should have been the second movie. It's what Jeff Goldblum said would happen. Yes. When they got him for the two hours in the last movie, you're shooting. Yeah, but even in the first movie.

movie where it's like eventually evolution takes over and if you make these things they're going to take over life finds away so that's what i want to see and i hope that's where we go with it i hope the fact that we start to get into a place where it's essentially kind of like the post-apocalyptic but the dinosaurs are the are you know the thing that are the zombies this time you know they're the ones that in this movie they think okay we're trying to hunt them down we're trying to get the dinosaurs it ain't working and by the second one it's more and more it's just trying to survive humans in the dinosaur world. Yeah.

That's how you continue this franchise. I agree. You're too afraid they're going to drop the ball. Well, yeah. I watched that prologue that they put out. Yeah. You just been bit too many times. I've been bit too many times.

And listen, I go into every movie. I've said to every Transformers movie I've sat and I'm like, maybe this is the one. And hey, you know what? Bumblebee was. Bumblebee was the Transformers movie. And then they got rid of him because it didn't make enough money. Right.

Exactly. That's the thing that I hate about the way that, the studio thing is like they ran that dumb franchise into the ground for years. From the second movie on, they ruined that dumb franchise into the ground. Domestically, Age of Extinction, nobody went to see that piece of garbage. Everybody overseas went to see it. Domestically, people are like, I'm tired of this shit. Then they blame it on Travis Knight and it doesn't work.

Then they put up Bumblebee to a franchise that they, through their own incompetence, drove into the ground and surprised nobody went to see it. They're like, well, people don't want anything different. It's because you dragged it through the mud for 10 years. Yeah, it was a very bad choice. I will sit down for this new one, and I will be as hopeful as ever when that logo comes up, that this is going to be the Jurassic World movie that I like. Me too.

All right, look. That prologged it. It's still a lot of confidence. I don't know if it's maybe because I watch it with my kids. I didn't mind it. Maybe the second part of it was pretty cool. It was a little dumb. They're playing it for last.

Like those three people that are like, we're watching a movie while the T-Rex is behind us. I get it. Are you stupid? That part of it. Yeah, I understand. Maybe they're just getting that all out of the way at the beginning, and then everything's going to get awesome. I like some of the visuals.

Well, either way, so much coming out. Always great talking to it. Just like that. And if you also want to check out myself, Dan and Ben Bateman from past Friday, we were on the movie trivia Shmodown channel. You can check that out. And don't forget, Dan Mroll just had a big match with John Roka. It was the second one-on-one match.

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