The Kristian Harloff Show - Katee Sackhoff in Studio! Becoming Bo Katan! | The Big Thing

Episode Date: September 13, 2021

Katee Sackhoff, Bo Katan herself joins Kristian and Kate in studio. The gang talks about Katee's experience thus far with The Mandalorian, the fan base, becoming the character, social media and Another Life season 2. This was a really fun episode and happy to have Katee back in studio! Follow on Twitter Kristian Harloff https://bit.ly/31PePMD Mark Ellis https://bit.ly/2U1wKPa Brett Sheridan https://bit.ly/2HBltii Steph Sabraw https://bit.ly/3m0ud0z Kate Mulligan https://bit.ly/3owBneT Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up, everybody. Welcome back to The Big Thing. I'm Christian Harlow. Thank you for everybody, by the way, who is subscribed to the new channel. We are very happy to have you. And what an episode we have today. Katie Sackoff joins us, Bokatan herself. We're so excited to have her. My daughter is very upset with me that she wasn't able to be here. But don't worry.

We'll talk about a lot of stuff that my daughter will be excited about. You'll be excited about. We're very pumped to have Katie in studio once again. But before we get into it, I also wanted to let you guys know if you didn't know already, myself and Mark, Mark, Ellis. We're going to be in New York, New York Comedy Club. October 8th. Make sure it's my first time. I'm doing a 20-minute set in like 13 years. So please go and check it out. Please, please, please. Buy those tickets at Mark Ellis. Live. And then we're going to be in New York and Brooklyn the following day for the Schmodeon at the Roulette Theater.

So make sure you check that out. We are excited to start the big thing. It's coming. It's Katie Sackoff. All right, you humps. Let's do this. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back. To the big thing. I'm Christian Harlow. This is the show. Man, this has been a fun show. I know a lot of people have been complimenting the show and saying it's got that old school feel to it.

You want to go old school? Oh, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, Katie Sackoff is back. I think you just call me old. I didn't call you old. Old school. We're talking old school. Your school is old.

Your school is old. Yeah, that's right. I was going to say that last time you did stand-up, It was your set about your mitts. My mitts at the improv. Yeah. I love that set. Do you know, if you want to feel old,

I was thinking about this today, you and I, now I know you 16 years. Yeah. 16 years. Do you want me to make you feel rolled? Yes, please. It's been 20 years since I booked the role of Starback. That is pretty nuts.

Isn't that crazy? Yeah, but isn't it crazy how it all turns around? Oh yeah, and ladies and gentlemen. And I'm also here, but it's cool. Steff's here. I don't worry about it. Like actually, honestly, I'm just going to, I'm just like having fun, like being like the tennis judge. You should.

You should. Uh-huh. Well, I'll do this. The ball's over here. I'll put all three of us here. But 20 years and I remember it's such, it's been such a roller coaster for you in general, right? Because I can remember being on the phone with you not, I don't know, four or five years ago when it was the Tarantino thing. God, that wasn't.

When was that? When did hatefully it come out? I mean, 2015, something along those long. Oh, you know what? Correct them in the chat. Oh, I can tell you when it was because it's the same day that Meatball died.

Oh, shit. That's right. It was August 27th, 2014. It was that day. Yeah. You have a real shitty day. It was a, I found out Longmeyer got canceled by A&E. My dog died and I didn't get the Tarantino movie all in one day.

And I was like, I'm going to need some cigarettes. Yeah. Give me some cigarettes, some pediolite, and a bottle of wine, and I'll see you guys in a week. Yeah, but also, don't you wish you could go back and tell yourself now, it's going to be okay. Yeah, for sure. I mean, it also doesn't help that she got nominated for an Oscar, right? You're like, all right, I mean, I guess they picked the right person. Yeah, well, I think, but it does help.

And I think Kate's 100% right, though, is that when you, you can never judge the past if you can't see what's a heady in the future, right? Because it's like, look at what has happened. Right. I just showed Katie a video of my almost 10-year-old who loves Bocatan. She was going to dress as Bocatan for Halloween, and she was over the moon. And I was saying that Katie, that character has really, really resonating.

What did I lose out to? So she reads. Up until last week, Jennifer Jason, I'm sorry. I didn't want to tell you. I didn't want to tell you. But she said to me that she did win the Oscar. So I'm going to. Did she win the Oscar?

Oscar? I'm sorry. I was like, I literally holding an Oscar, just Jennifer Jason Lee. But like single white female. No, no, no. No, no. She, no, she loved her in the affair. No, she's a avid reader. She reads crazy. And there's this book like, Keeper of the Lost Cities or some shit, right? So she wants to, tomorrow, she'll go back to Bogotan. It's been two. It's between the two of those. She's a super fantasy girl, but she said

the same thing. I think a lot of girls have been saying. And it's that strong female character that just kicks ass and she just, she felt represented in the show. So are you getting that like everywhere now? I think so. I think so. I think that the thing that Bo Catan has in common with the other characters that I played is that I love to play complicated women.

I love to play women that are not just one dimensional that they have. They're not just good and they're not just bad. They're a little bit of both because that's, That's reality. And so I think that little girls and people identify with those characters because they have that nice, you know, middle ground nuance thing of that we all do. Yeah. Do you go back, though, when it comes to, because you're 100% right, she has so much, there's so much to her and all the history that she's had in the Clone Wars and the stuff with her sister. And she's played on that side of like, maybe not a good guy, right?

You did a rewatch of the entire series, didn't you? Did. And so do you take that stuff with you inside of the performance now when you're... I do. I do. You know, I send Dave Filoni questions constantly. And questions that have nothing to do with Mandalorian.

What's your favorite ice cream? Just things like that. Or like what's Bocahant's favorite ice? That would be a question I would probably ask. Because I want to know everything about her. I want to know why she did the things that she did. I want to know it's very gray. You know, we want life to be black and white and it's not.

Um, you know, uh, she made a lot of mistakes when she was younger. And I think that, you know, if we hold people to the mistakes that they make when they're younger and we don't provide them, you know, um, the ability to have growth and change that that says more about us than it does about them. Absolutely. So I, I think that, I think that for Bo, you know, when we meet her, she is not a great person, but we have to take into account. Her parents have died. being raised by, you know, an uncle who is, who is, you know, very, he's, you know, morally, not the best guy. And she looks up to him. That's who she looks up to.

Of course she would be manipulated and swayed to potentially follow that road. Of course. And the thing is, what is Star Wars is the battle between the dark and the light all the time. And it's not just about Jedi and sit that are dealing with the dark and the light. And so the question is, us as human beings, how do we deal with the dark or the light? And what normally takes us to the dark side? Pain. Right.

And how much pain Boca Tan has had? Are you kidding me? Like with her sister and everything in general. She's constantly fighting for her throne, you know? Well, here's the thing, right? We know that she as a human being has had growth and change because with the death of Satin, to see the fact that she didn't go back to that dark place tells us immediately that she's had growth as a human being. She is, she's channeling that loss and that anger in a very different way than

she was when we were first meeting her. That doesn't necessarily tell us that, you know, you know, Mandalorians are, are complicated and there's a very, you know, they're very divided. They think that, you know, one side is, within themselves, they're pacifist, but they're also warriors. So, you know, well, the idea was to be pacifist, under Sardin, right? But, so it's, it's, they're torn. And that is that dark and light that you talk about. That is that thing that, that inner struggle that we all have, you know? I love how much you know about the lore now and everything too and how like, I know. I was going to ask what, like, are you, do you know, like, what's canon?

Are you into like the novel? Like, where were you prior? Prior to Clone Wars. Prior to Clone Wars. You're like, I knew Christian Harlov. That's it. That's it. I knew a guy who liked Star Wars.

I knew a guy who told me all about it. Told me what order to watch the movies is. No, I was raised on, my dad showed four, five, six to me. Okay. I was a kid, obviously. And then I'd seen, you know, one, two, three, obviously, like everyone else. And then some clone war stuff. So I knew of some of the stuff, but I didn't dive deep.

Right, right, right, right. I haven't seen, you know, Return of the Jedi 25 million times. Right. I've seen it 15, maybe, you know, 10 times. A lot, yeah. She hasn't seen The Matrix once, so it's fine. I haven't seen The Matrix once. once.

You know, I'm a real asset. When I say, do you want the blue pill or red pill? You're like, I don't know. I'm like whichever one Neo said he wanted. You're like, why are we talking about politics? That's right. God, I think I'll take the Democrat. Is that what you're asking me?

Do we just get flagged? Because I said that we? We did. We're shut off. God. We're pre-taped and they shut us down. No, but when I, when the whole Mandalorian thing came up, one of the first calls I made was, well, not first calls,

but when we were together at Halloween Horror, I was like, I need your help. Yes. I need you to talk to me about this stuff because my biggest fear is that I'm going to say something that is not right, that will, that the fans will go, oh, she's not a real fan. Yes.

You know? They'll, they'll. They will. They sure will. And I don't want to let them down, you know. I want to make sure that I represent Bokitan, but also them in this, you know? Can I say, though, like somebody, I'm very new to it all myself, but my son, who's six years old, big, big, big, clone wars fan.

And I love everything that takes place on Mandelaar. I just feel like those are some of the most compelling stories in Clone Wars. I'm just like, oh, and I think it's in part because I had been watching Clone Wars, then watched Mandelor. I mean, so it was like, oh, my God, all fits here. But there is a, so if you remember back to the future, there's a moment where, like, at the very beginning, Michael J. Fox takes his sunglasses off. And you're like, ah, it's Michael J. Fox.

Yeah. That is the moment in Mandalorian. When you take your helmet off, I mean, it's just like, yeah! Like, it is just so. I was just like, flipping it. Like, it was just, it's such a moment for anybody. Like, you could do no wrong. I mean, it's just, it's a huge moment.

They set it up very well in the Clone War series that just had the last season. Oh, yeah. And then, so when you showed up at the end there, you're like, oh, they're setting something up here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that hair. Oh, that hair.

That hair. That hair. So let's, let's, because now. Now, it's funny because we really, I mean, you came on the show. We did some digital stuff, but it's not the same to be in the studio. And we haven't really talked in depth of, you know, the experience because now you can. Yeah. And we briefly talked about, I mean, the big episode, obviously, when Luke shows up and he's there.

You had told me on that interview we did that you thought it was Polakoon forever, right? And I even said to you, even as a friend, I'm like, come on. Like we were the first, unbeknownst to me. Sorry, Disney. I was the first person to say that publicly. The plow coon thing. The plowcun thing. Yeah.

Not realizing that it was like a secret. Did you get in trouble for that? No. No. I mean, if it had been something, you know, they definitely would have been like, hey. But now that you're reminded them, you are in trouble now. You're in someone. I am.

I will. Because remember that time. Well, it makes sense. Yeah. It's funny because I, that makes sense because when I saw it, they did the thing on gallery where Froni mentioned, or they were mentioning that throughout it that everyone thought was Pol Koon. I'm like, oh, I knew that already.

I'm like, oh, yeah, I knew that because we talked about it. I feel like they did that entire episode because I'd already told people. So they were like, we're going to need to do it behind the scenes here and save Katie here. But it was really great that whole thing, the way that it took place. And so it makes a lot more sense now the way that they did it. It was so secret. So they were doing like these little secret sessions and you guys had no clue. No idea.

It's awesome. No idea. And here's the thing. And call me gullible. Tell me I don't know anything about Star Wars. That's fine. But when Dave Faloni tells you something is going to happen. Oh, believe it.

And yes, it's bringing a character back to life. And I've said this in a tweet. You're right, guys, that has never happened in Star Wars before. Right, right. It's never happened. We never see dead people. Never come back. And you believe it.

You believe it because he is, you know, he is the right hand. Well, and Plokunis is, he's said it many times that Plokun is his favorite Jedi. Yes. So that's why you're like, oh, That makes sense. That makes complete sense. I am.

And I love Plokoon. I was really excited. I'm so let down now. I'm not, I love Plowcun too, but I'm not going to, not meaning to be a no at all here, but I was convinced it was looking. I were. I think a lot of people were. Mike Kalinowski and I, who does the Sith Council show here on Fridays, we had this ongoing conversation where I just said, when you look at it overall, it just made sense for him to be there. Like, well, I went nuts when people would say,

it makes the universe smaller if he's in it. I'm like, no, it makes the universe smaller if you just randomly put people. Like, I think when you put Chewbacca in Revenge of the Sith, that makes it smaller. There's no reason to put Chewbac in there. But Luke was the only Jedi really around at that point that was as powerful as he was moving around.

He was doing things. So where was he? You know, if there's this little powerful force being, Yoda species out there, he would sense it. Yeah. And it made sense. Yeah, it does make complete sense.

Yeah, it does. In hindsight. Absolutely. At the time. At the time, of course. Right. Don't you also feel like that if everybody's like,

there's going to be a big reveal, it's going to be a big reveal? And it's not Luke. That's kind of a bummer. They never said it was big. They never said it'd be a reveal. All you knew is it was the season finale. And something was going to go down and you just assumed it.

But you know with the Osoka episode that they're looking, that she's like, I know of another. There was some kind of Jedi that was going to show up. So I'm just saying, don't you feel like if it's not Luke, But for people that, for people that watch Clone Wars and Rebels, I think that it was pretty obvious that Boca Tan knew where Asoka was. Yeah.

Right? Yeah. Like she knows where she is. We also know that something more is going on with that story, right? But like, you know, they've had relations. Yeah, I mean, I think the best. You're saying they were girlfriends. Yes.

We agree. I know. I say relations. I realize that's going to be completely interpreted. That's the headline now. But, you know... All right, we got to write that out now. Katie just thrown out.

I guess they're not girlfriends anymore. But speaking of that, you know, with Asoka, at the end of that Clone Wars episode, there is, I mean, how the whole season finale as she goes off to basically have this kind of, Asoka that is this tragic moment that goes down. Boca Tans, like one of the last ones who says to her, they're on the same page, the two of them.

And so that obviously is going to open up the question, down the line and I'm not going to ask you this question because there's no way you're going to tell us shit. It's true. No. And I wouldn't let you. But as I do every time you're on the show, I'm going to make a prediction. And I think that there will be a scene between Boca Tan and Rosario Dawson.

I take the actress and then I take the character. I think there will be a scene between the two of you guys because of exactly what you just said as far as the relationship goes. What I will ask you is this. Did you know Rosario Dawson before any of this? No. No, I've just known of Rosario for a long time. I watched her in kids when I was...

Oh, my God. I'm still haunted by that movie. Haunted. Haunted. Hunted. Haunted. Haunted. Haunted.

I have daughters. Yeah, that's all right. Fuck you guys. Yeah. You know what's funny. That movie, I did a, you know, I do a lot of work with Amfar. Yeah. And youth HIV and AIDS.

That movie. put me on this path. Yeah, I believe it. That movie has made me get tested so many times, even if unnecessarily, just constantly. Yeah. Because it was so, that, it scarred me. It made me so aware that this could happen to anyone at any time.

Yep. If you're sexually active. Yes. I just, oh my God, it just destroyed me. But anyway, so I've known of Rosario Dawson for a long time, a big fan. I've never, I'm yet to meet her. Yeah, she's been, she's been around for while she can do comedy. She can do, I mean, she's...

I know, I loved her in top five, the Chris Rock. That movie is underrated. It really is. Very funny movie. How funny is DMX in that movie? Oh my God, he steals, I mean, he walks off with the movie. He rests in peace. Yeah, I was going to say.

But, but yeah, so the fact, and she was in Daredevil, and I, there are times, and I, look, I love Ashley, who, who did, X-teen, who's done the voice of Ossoc for a long time. And I would have loved to see if she could have done the role too. But sometimes, and I don't know if this is the case or not, I have no idea. Sometimes the voice actress or voice actor can't fit the role of what they're looking for. Maybe you can't do certain things. You, from your experience in a lot of the stuff that you've done,

whether it is Riddick or Battlestar, any of these things, we know that you can do action. We know these things. Well, here's the thing. I've, you know, I have been playing these characters since the moment they sort of, like, shifted me from being the dumb blonde girl to being the girl that, like, punches people in the face. It's what I do. That being said, I also wasn't the lead of Clone Wars. I was in, what, 10 episodes over Clone Wars and Rebels?

Maybe, something like that? I'll check my time. Thank you. Don't worry. So, Neil. So there were people that still know that I was not the voice of Bogotan in Clone Wars. Ashley is synonymous with that. And I think that that, sometimes you do need a separation.

Yeah. When you go into live action. But, you know, that's so above my pay grade. The Jeep Wrangler 4x E. It's electrified. Boogie, wugi, wugi, wogie up a mountain over creeks or boogie, wugi, boogie, wuggy through a desert where you get bit by a pit viper. So you boogie, wugi, wogie, wuggy back to camp and ask your friends if they'll suck the snake venom out.

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I believe that. Phenomenal, but... That sounds plausible. Now the flip side of that is I think... Sorry, now everyone's going to hate me from you. No, Vanessa Marshall. I'm the one that really doubled down. Come for me.

Come for me. Vanessa Marshall, who voices Hera, I think she absolutely could pull off Hera if they do that, you know? It's like, I've asked when Freddie, Fringe Jr., he used to, when he was on Jedi Council about playing an older Canaan. I mean, now it's, from what happens in the series, he was like, I don't know. I don't know if I'd want to do it. So it's a matter of, that's kind of the next question, okay,

is when the Bokitan kind of comes along, you had mentioned this before. You talked about it, but it was Favro that had given, they'd call you and say, you just wanted to, you didn't have to audition, right? No.

No, you know, I had seen, Filoni at Celebration. Right. In Chicago? Yeah. And I think he was talking to Whitwer? I think he was talking to Whitwer. Yeah.

who I, you know, know from Battlestar, obviously. So friends with both walked up. And just, I had just really heard about Mandalorian. Hadn't come out yet. And at least I don't think it had come out yet. Maybe it had just about. I don't even remember. But I remember saying to him very jokingly, you know,

she's not dead. Wink, wink, wink, nudge, nudge. I mean, it is called the Mandalorian. right she's mandolarian i don't want to i don't want to i don't want to show you all the dots that connect but you know but one plus one is too exactly but dude it's shit like that yeah i guarantee you that yeah i don't know you know according in his mind it was already there yeah um uh you know um and he had said to me years before that you know if we ever go live action because i was like really what does ever happen and he was like i hope so i hope they give us that opportunity i'd

love to get a hold of it. I'm so glad he's doing directing stuff now and producing and they give him a larger role in the live stuff because I remember back in the day, I told you that this guy needs to do, I wanted to, this is before TV was even a thing for Star Wars. I was like, oh, one thing you'll let him do a movie. This is where he belongs in television, live action and doing this stuff because whether he is helping out and talking about Obi-Wan or other spinoff things that are going to happen, I feel super confident having this guy doing what he's doing because people just love the guy.

Well, I think that he's been given the approval by Lucas. I think that that, and he's been around for so long, and he has such a care for it. And so does John Favre. Yeah, of course. They both love this world and they take it so seriously and they have an emotional connection to it. And that's what it requires. You can't just, you know, you can't just bring a director in who, didn't watch it as a child and love it and like you know or at least want to do the research on it

of course of course and that's the thing right and those guys and that's why i love talking to dave is that the research for me for bocatan is never ending because it's all in his imagination yeah he can talk to you about things that happened to her when she was five oh i love that and so we just sit and talk about it because it gives me such a better understanding of who this person is And so whether I don't know all of the folklore in Star Wars, which I don't. But you know more about her than... I know more about her. Yeah.

And Dave and John say that to me. You're the expert on Bocatan now. You know more than anybody else knows. Oh, that's amazing. And, you know. So refreshing because there's a lot of times, I mean, even like, even George Lucas was guilty of in the prequels. Like, it was just, you know, say lines and go for it.

But when you're sitting there and developing those characters and giving someone like yourself that much, it brings it in. And so talk to me a little bit of it. about the technology though that they're using because that's the stuff like back with the prequels and for an actor and actually working on green screen can be tough this is not green screen this is something very different it is like surreal right for anyone who hasn't seen the behind the scenes making of the mandolaring you should absolutely do that whether you're a fan of star wars or not and you just love film this is something that you need to see happen so the volume is basically

a bunch of computer screens in a complete 360 circle that goes probably 20 feet high, and it's controlled by a gaggle of people, like controlling each computer screen when you walk in the door of the stage, and everything is done in previs. They have everything done by the time you're going to be there, like the scene where we're standing on the razor crust. Yes. All of the things that you see happening in a distance,

the birds flying by, the sunset, the waves, the everything. That was done in previs. So when we're standing on top of the razor crest, you feel like you're moving. Like they had to clip us in to make sure we couldn't fall because I was like, like, seasick. Yes. Because it's so realistic and you feel like the razor crest is bobbing.

Very easy to get the performance out of you too. Very easy. Yeah. Very easy. It's not like working on green screen anymore. Granted, there is an element of imagination. that I think if you're going to do sci-fi and especially Star Wars, you have to be able to find that uninhibited child-like imagination

that you had as a kid. Because you can't work with a tennis ball and not have imagination. You have to be able to do that. You can't just stand there and be an actor with lines. You have to see a tennis ball and have, in reality, it's whatever you're seeing. This might not be the right time to tell you this, but Vivie's actually going as a tennis ball. Is she really?

She decided she's going to be a tennis ball. She's like, she'll be Bogotan or a tennis ball. Dennis ball. That's right. That's it. That's it. It's more nuanced. Yeah.

Did you have, so your first day working in the volume? Because were you a little hesitant? Like not because green screen. Because the actors get a little nervous with green screen because it's tough, but maybe you didn't know enough about it. I had seen the volume on a day that Pedro and Timothy were working. Okay. And I remember. You just on set?

I was on set, just watching. I went in for my camera test to make sure that everything was working the way it was supposed to work. And I saw them work and saw the volume. What scene? Do you remember? The scene where they're sitting at the campfire. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

And I remember thinking, oh, my God. Oh, I had no idea that this was how they did it. And it was so intimidating. Yeah. So intimidating. You know, and I said this before, it's not, my career has had a very clear, ladder to it. You know, I just keep climbing, keep plucking away.

Like, as long as I can work for the rest of my life, if I want to, great. I'm just going to keep working. I've never felt, there's been moments where I was like, oh, this is very clearly the next step on the ladder. Awesome. You have your own show now? Perfect. You know, things like that.

But I've never stepped up and into something greater than the career I had accomplished on my own, you know, like where I just, I felt so. just I was a fan. It was just in awe. I was like, I don't, what the fuck do you do? Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, you know what's about that?

It's funny because you meant, what you had said earlier about how a lot of the directors that are working on this show are fans as kids. And I'll tell you who impressed the shit out of me in the directing. It was Bryce Dallas. I was just going to say. Oh my God. You know what? And because her first episode, I liked.

Yeah. And you can tell like she was getting, she was just. getting grounded in it. But then your episode comes out and you're like, oh man, did she just go leaps and bounds? And then she's taking homages from some of her dad's movies and doing stuff. And I'm like, she gets it, man. And then listening to her talk about you and your character inside of that gallery series, like she gets it. Like had you met her before, what was like working with her because she seems, she seems fantastic. You know what I had met her before? And I, we were like, from my perspective. We were like kindred spirits. I loved her so much. You know, every once in a while you meet

someone and you're like, oh my God, I really want to be friends with this person. And it just doesn't work out. Life takes over. We travel so much as actors. We're never in the same place. I mean, I'm not having that moment right now. Don't worry. I'm not having that moment right now. I live down the street. And it, it, so I had met her before. I met her on set of Pete's Dragon. Oh, right. Right. Yeah. And I just loved her. I thought that she was such an incredible person and funny. Yeah. It's good to go into that too, having that, like, knowing that you had met before.

It's kind of a break the ice thing with your director. And we also, she went to college and might have been roommates with one of my dear friends as well. So we're sort of in this, like, world where we've, you know, so it gave us that we didn't have to be introduced. We just immediately folded in to let's work together. Let's get this done. And thankfully we did because she helped me find Bokitan. You know, I've said this many, many times, I showed up unprepared. You know, I thought I was prepared.

I had my wardrobe on. I knew everything about her. I had played her for 10 years. I knew what she sounded like. I didn't know how she moved. I didn't know how she sat. I didn't know how she walked. I didn't know what her face did.

I knew nothing about this character in that sense. sense and I immediately was petrified and I I I went to Bryce and John and I was like you guys I I need help like you know we were in the middle of of shooting the scene and finding her the scene my first scene I think my first scene was the scene with grogoo where we're sitting around the table and we go in montcalamari's there um that scene where Mercedes eats the thing um and we did that. That's the first. Oh, wait, that's, that's after we intro. Yeah. Right. Right. We did that scene or my coverage on that at least 15 different ways.

Okay. Different ways. And, you know, John and Bryce were both there and, and they kept throwing out, like, just screaming, now do it this way. Now do it this way. Now do it like your mob boss. Now do it like your. So they were trying to find something. The mob boss's daughter. Now do it like you have a joke. Now do it like there's, you know. So fun. Every single take, because we were all trying to find her. Like, who is this woman?

Yeah. Because we knew that she was important to the audience. We knew that that was, we had an episode to get it right. And you were either going to hold on to him or lose them. It's not funny, though, too, because you mentioned this earlier. And, I mean, certainly even from talking about the stuff, you can see that the fans do take this very seriously, Star Wars in general.

So there is, and you look, there is the very positive side of the fandom, which you are experiencing because you have become a very popular character, that people have thought that, A, you've brought exactly what they're expecting from the character, and it is reminiscent and true to what she was in the story. And a lot of Mandalorian characters, I think, have gotten that. Mandalorian in general, the new trilogy didn't a lot of the actors didn't experience that right a lot of them experience i mean there are absolutely a lot of fans and and a lot of people who reach out and sort of love but there was a lot of

stuff if i was an actor and had to deal with some of that shit i'd be like why would i want to get involved with star wars at all seeing the stuff that had happened to rosie um um daisy yeah no uh kelly marie Thank you. Kelly Mary Tran and John Boyega and seeing what they went through, does that make you a little hesitant going into Star Wars before you take the role? No. Well, here's the thing. If seeing ugliness in the world intimidated you so much that you didn't step out your front door and none of us would ever leave. Yeah. You know, the world is ugly. Yeah. But at the same time, it's beautiful.

And we need people to continue to put themselves out there because that's how you change the world. Yeah. We need brave people willing to continue to just live their lives. Look at, she just fell in love with you even more so. Look at you. She just fell in love with you. Can you say that again, but slow?

You're batting your eyes at Katie right now. Do you understand that? Look. She had me at jawline. You know what I mean? I am very, I am curious. to know how your, like, have you noticed that your fan base has changed? Or is it the same? Is it the battle star fans are still, are also the Star Wars fans? Or do you feel like it's really? And Longmore?

I mean, all, I mean, your whole thing. Another life. Yeah. No, it is, it is, it is very much changed. Very much changed. I think so much because a lot of people didn't realize that I was the voice of Boketan. Yeah. And I think when they figured that out, they went, oh, that's, oh, okay. It's cool. I, when I was first at celebration. And I had so many fans come up to my table and be like, why are you here? For real? They didn't realize that you were the voice of Oakland? They had no idea.

Wow. At celebration? Yeah. Wow, that's bizarre. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, and that is the thing. And that is the thing about fandoms, right?

You have fans that are incredibly passionate and it means so much to them. And then you have fans that just love it. Yeah. You have fans that watched it and went, that was awesome. I like it. I don't know anything about it, but I like it. And there has to be room for all of that. Yeah.

There has to be room for that. And I think that it's, you know, a metaphor for the world. I think that's something amazing that Mandalorian's done is that people who maybe saw four, five and six, never bothered with the prequels, never bothered with the, you know, the, you know, the, I feel like, this is, like, I have a friend in Wisconsin. I'm like, Slinger Wisconsin who's like, why? Just kidding. I love Wisconsin. Are you kidding?

I would musky fishing in Wisconsin. It's a very elusive fish, and we only caught Pike. Well, there you go. Boy, I just keep falling harder. That I know the difference between Tyke and Pike. Oh, yeah, you missed the conversation we had last week with this one in Musky, so go ahead. Oh, my God. Boy, you said my safe word.

Woo! No, but she was like, I love the Mandalorian. I mean, she just, it's not Star Wars. I don't even know if she's seen four or five and six. but Mandalorian has become accessible to everybody. And I remember saying, like, is there going to be a lot of inside baseball? Is there going to be a lot of stuff that I'm not going to understand? And I feel like that's sort of the...

You did. You absolutely did. And I feel like just coming into this, like, you don't... You're not in the Shmodan community or in the, you know, without having an interest in Star Wars on some level. Like, you know, but I really appreciate that about the Mandalorian is that it's very accessible to it. You don't have to have, you don't have to know anybody to just be like, oh, this is, I'm just observing great television, great storytelling. Well, I mean, do you remember, and this is, we all have to remember this as Star Wars fans.

Do you remember that moment when you saw it for the first time, when you were a kid? Yeah, sure. And that feeling where you had no expectation. Right. You just were taken away. Yeah, right. We have to give people the opportunity to have that. Yeah.

Yes. And not expect them to have any knowledge of anything else. and because that is empathetic to other people. Like we want them to experience it the way we did. And that's what's so great about The Mandalorian is that so many people that are not Star Wars fans love it. And it, but at the same time,

because of the love that John and Dave have for it and the crew that they've amassed that feel the same way, they are bringing together the fandoms in a way that the old, the old, the original movies did. It did. And there is, in every bit of Star Wars, whether it's the prequels, new trilogy,

Clone Wars, Rebels, whatever it is, Mandalorian, you always have to understand that this is how people are going to find Star Wars. One of these new things. It could be one of the animated series. It could be one of the new TV series, people who had never, I never watched Star Wars before.

I'm going to try this Mandalorian thing that's going on. And then they check it out. And there's other things that bring in people, for example, Battlestar. Right? If they go, oh, Katie Sackoff is in Mandalorian now? I've never been a Star Wars fan, but I'm like, I was a massive Battlestar fan, and they do things like that, and they put Game of Thrones, they're doing a lot of stuff with Game of Thrones and putting Pedro in there and putting other people in there, right?

And having that, it's a good way and an entryway. And I said this many times over, and I think that people are starting to feel the same way, I think Star Wars is better fit for television, to be completely honest with you. I think because, for example, if Bogatan shows up in a movie, One movie. It's a big role. It's a fun role. You don't get the kind of depth that you would get continuously out of TV.

As you know, with your experience in Ballstar. Of course. I mean, the slow burn of television lends itself to long storytelling. And it's easier, I think, for people to understand the world when they have more time to do it in. But I do love the fact that, you know, even Longmeyer fans, who would never really, they haven't watched Star Wars since 78.

Right, you know. And they're watching it, they're watching Mandalorian now and going like, oh, it feels like a Western. So now we've got all these Longmeyer fans that, like, loves Mandalorian. Yeah. And I love that.

I love that. I love, you know, um, having, you know, a 75-year-old, you know, rancher from the middle of Wyoming going, Mandalorian's fantastic. Well, you know what's so great about it, too, was, it was my favorite comment that I've ever heard anyone talking

about Star Wars, and I honestly think that this is where some of the projects in Star Wars have been lost. Flononi said, Favreau said, we're not trying to do an homage to Star Wars. We're doing an homage to the stuff that inspired Star Wars.

The samurai films, the westerns, the spaghetti westerns, all this stuff. And I'm like, the philosophies that gave George the first place and to do this. You know, like, that's why. I mean, for me, my favorite Star Wars with television and film. Last Jedi. First one would be Empire.

Empire? I was literally going to say, no, no. Empire Strikes Back, New Hope, Mandalorian Season 2, Mandalorian Season 1, Return to the Jedi. Wow. And then. I love that list. Because of the development behind it.

I'm so invested in these characters and so much. And I love Return of the Jedi. I like more and more, and I'm doing a whole rewatch of the movies right now on Sith Council. I love Return of the Jedi, too, but it's not my favorite. It's not a favorite. But it's in there. It's in there for me too. And I found a new appreciation for Rogue One that I like a lot.

I put Rogue One up there higher than maybe all the prequels, maybe all the new trilogy. Well, because see what happens is that, and I was explaining this to someone the other day, when you realize that they all fit in a timeline, you can watch them with all of the knowledge that you've sort of gotten from the other shows and the other movies now, and you can place them and go, oh, and you have an emotional connection, maybe not even to the movie, but the feeling of the movie in the timeline. Absolutely. So we just did this whole rewatch on Sith Council for just to, over the clone, we just did

the prequels first. And after watching those movies, and I started to watch them, I never really loved the prequels when I saw them initially. But after watching all, the Clone War, after watching all these things and doing exactly what you just said, relating them into the timeline, you watch these episodes. You're like, oh, it fits so much more. It fits so much more.

You watching the bad batch? Did you watch any of the bad batch? I watched the whole thing. Did you love it? I loved it. Yeah. I love how like, how like into it you are now. Like you were always a Star Wars fan.

But like because you've been rewatch and all that, I love it. Robin's also like a really big Star Wars fan. So there are moments like before I would go to work and I would be reading my dialogue. And I would be like, what does this mean? and he'd be like, let me explain it. And then we'd get into like a 30-minute conversation about what, you know, who these people are, what this is, what that is. And it makes it so much easier to memorize the dialogue when you understand what you're saying. Of course.

That's Shakespeare, right? Oh, my God, it's so hard. It is so hard to remember words like Gazante Freeder. Yeah. Because you don't, it's not a word you would normally say. No, like musky or pike is what I would normally say. But Zant-Fraider. Yeah, there's anti-frader.

I already said it wrong, didn't it? Yeah. But now that you know it and now that's part of her vocabulary, it's easier to say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But there are definitely words that trump you up.

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We're making fun of my. It's very. My big flex water bottle. Your left arm is going to get just stronger. Last time she had, you brought that thing, she pissed in the arm. for 30 minutes.

I was just, it was, I mean, I got to tell you, it is definitely something I have to plan around. Yeah, of course. If I'm going to commit to this on the road. If Brett, can we talk about the fact that during the thing that's going on in the world right now that we cannot mention. Yes. We were driving cross country. Yeah.

Did you buy a car toilet like I did? Yeah, I have a wee thing in my car now. I have a plastic jug for people that are laying in hospital bed so I can pee in the passenger seat. We take an off ramp. Yeah. I dump it out, then we get back on the freeway. You want to talk about some stuff? Because there's no bathrooms open.

There's no bathrooms open. Also, I'm not going into them. No. Oh, really? Well, early on, like April, April 2020 to maybe November 2020. I was like, well, I'm not going to. So I go on, I go on a vacation with my family. We went to, we spent some time Solvang.

We went to Carmel. Solvang is great. Colving's great. Went to Carmel. And then there's, I don't know, a bunch of bags. And I'm like, listen into some music and I'm listening to Run the Jewels, which is you want to feel, oh man, I'm like, I'm feeling it.

I'm vibing it. Man, that vibe that I had in my head, it was not when someone's driving by. What they see is me listening to Run the Jewels. Like I'm a fucking gangster with a porta potty in my hand of like a piss potty for like a little kid, a stroller. And I'm like, this is how you gangster it up, bitch. But that is very gangster.

There is nothing more gangster than a guy putting it down. That's taken care of. This is what people say. This is the older we get, right? But that's sexy. No one knows. The sexiest thing in the world is washing a man-do dishes. Isn't it?

I mean, I'll just honestly. Yeah. Every woman in the world should just get destroyed by one man. And it will make you marry a good man. Yeah. That's it. It happened to me. You get destroyed.

And then you wake up and you go, Garrett Rogers. I'm marrying a Canadian. I'm marrying a Canadian. That's what you. That's what happened. And you go, this is happening. He is a very nice person, by the way.

Honestly, I don't know what I did to deserve. You're a very nice person. Let's be honest. I live in a great world. I've met some of the people you've dated. Okay. This is a nice person. He has.

This is a nice person. What a great conversation I have. I'm at Universal. Yeah. And he's just a sweetheart of a guy. He is. Yeah. He, I have met people that are like, nice.

Yeah, yeah. You know, like that they're like, oh, yeah. Yeah, but not like this guy kicks puppies nice, like you don't believe it. No, but like, they're nice. They can put it on, right? Yeah, right. This is real nice. He's kind.

Like, oh, that's a nice distinction. He was, there is a huge difference between a person who is just inherently kind and a person who can be nice. Yeah. It's a very big difference. Right. It's not bullshit nice. That's not I meant by that. Like when you have those people who are just like, oh, hi, how are you?

You're like, you kill things. Yeah. Like that's, that's not, that's not, that's not Robin. This is, like, you can just tell, like you said, Sadie always says, and always brings up the fact that she can tell energy, right? And it's like, she always brings up, he has kind eyes. Like, she told when she said, when she met RB3,

she's like, he does have kind eyes. You can tell. And that's, that's a big thing. Like, so when you. She looked at you and she's like, he has a big dick, I guess. Thank you. Yeah.

He has, listen, we all have tradeoffs in life. Yeah. You decide what's important to you. you. I say that the older you get, my manager said this to me at one point, he said to me, and he's about 10 years older than me, he said to me, he's 30. Yeah, he's about 30. He said, you will settle for 70%. And I was like, no, you don't. You don't. You do, but here's the thing, you don't settle for 70%. The older you get, you narrowed down what you want. And you realize the 70% you got is a hundred and twenty percent more than what you wanted to begin with you know what i mean

absolutely i love that you realize what's important you realize that you don't need any of like that you know it's different though too when you're like there's different needs a hundred percent like when you're in your late 20s when you're in 30s you want different things and i've been i've been in relationship too where you're looking at one point in youth my objectives in life were different at the time for myself that I couldn't lend to other people that I was dating others with the same thing it's like well this is not what I'm looking for at the moment to where and you always think about this thing too you meet certain people at times in your life that at that time in your life wasn't ready that time maybe down the line sure whatever it might be but it doesn't it's the time that it happens that it's

supposed to happen and for you you you had to go through what you went through it's very similar to what we just talked about with the jobs yeah and then and then here you go You also, and to bring it back to the jobs, right? Like, had all of the things that are happening in my career now happened 15 years ago, I would have ruined it and not ruined it intentionally. Right. I wouldn't have realized how special it was, how rare it was, and how it probably won't happen again.

So hold on to it. Don't take it for granted and appreciate every moment you have. Right. Because this could be it. And 15 years ago would have been 15 years less of you climbing that ladder so diligent, putting in the legwork. And so then, of course, then you're going to, if this happens 15 years ago, you're like, oh, getting jobs is easy.

This is an easy thing to do. Whereas you know the blood, sweat, and tears that goes into what you have done, the career that you have built. Yeah. I mean, that's, I feel bad for people that have success young. I mean, you don't, obviously, because that's, like, that's great, but, like, they don't have any understanding. Like, I feel like when the real world hits.

There are those people. There are those people that just get it right, get stuff right away. Yeah. Like, oh, this is how it's supposed to be. And you got to fight. You got to push forward. That's how you build strength. That's just how it happens.

100%. Yeah. Yeah. You also, yeah, it's one of those things. I just worked with a person who was so proud of the fact that his son, who's like 12, was going in for meetings and walking out and going, I don't want to do that. It's beneath me. He was so proud of his son.

for having at 12 for having um standards standards send him a photo of leaf garret and i was like this is not something i would be telling a bunch of people yeah this is not something that i would be like oh wow look how smart my son is you have to the if you can go in and book a job and you get it it's every job he gets another job i am still working because i took jobs that people i knew and i was friends with turned them down Yes, yes. You know, I took Halloween resurrection after someone turned it down that I knew. They don't work anymore.

Yeah. Yep. So it just, it's, I don't know. It's ego. Of course it is. It's ego. Of course it is. We're raising a society of people that are entitled.

You don't got to tell me. I mean, even people who aren't even necessarily in front of the camera, you look at people like whether it's fans, whether it's anything too. Like they're absolutely. And I think social media is a big reason why all that because there's not this connectivity. very similar I was talking to you before about how this is more of a conversation to me. Like even when we were talking via text and you were like, well, we're going to do Zoom. I'm like, I'm over Zoom.

Because you can't connect through the digital the same way that we can hear. And it's the same thing with social media. Someone says, think about all the horrible shit that people have said to you in social media. They wouldn't say it to your face. Of course not. Of course not. Right. And I say this all the time.

Anyone who says that they would say something that shitty to my face, I dare you. Yeah. I dare you to say it to my face. And it's not even a matter of like a toughness of I dare you. It's just like see how you would feel about yourself after you would say it. Because the difference is you don't see the reaction that it causes when you send that. You just go, fuck you, fuck you, okay. And it's like, then you say it to someone's face and you either see the hurt.

And if you don't respond to that, you're not a good person. No. And if you feel like, because a lot of these people that do these tweets and everything, a lot of them don't think that they are bad people. Right? Of course not. And there are some of them that are just... Yeah, there are some people who are just shit, right? I have been a part...

Like, I've had conversations and over the last six months I've approached it very differently than I used to. I see someone who writes something and... Hortful to me. And I reach out to the person, I send them a DM. And I say to them, hey, I don't know what kind of day you're having.

You might be having a bad day and I'm not going to judge you on it, too. I just curious why that particular thing you felt that needed to be said. if you're not a good person, you're not a good person. And we'll go on our way. But if you're having a bad day, you're having a bad day and I get it. Nine out of ten times, the person writes back and goes, I was having a shitty day.

I'm sorry. Yeah. And I had a whole conversation with this guy like, I had a couple of drink that night. Man, I sent something out. I'm sorry. And I go, it's cool. Yeah. Because we're fucking human.

Of course. But there are other people that are just like, yeah, fuck you, buddy. You know, that guy's just looking for some shit. You know, it's funny. I do the same thing. Yeah. When someone goes after me on Instagram now, listen, if it's a guy and they say something incredibly sexist and disgusting,

I just block them. Or I actually, I don't even block them. I just restrict them. Yeah. Because then they think they're still being seen. I find that so historical for some reason. I think it's so funny for some reason. I'm like, you think people saw that?

No one's signed. No, you're just living in your own hateful world, buddy. But I will reach out to someone if it's like a, you know, thing that they've said. I do the same thing now. Well, because the question is, Are you, and I talked about this recently on a show, I did a show by my, like I did a solo show the other day. And I talked about you just don't know what kind of personal demons people are going through.

And so in the same way where they're not looking at the human side of just tweeting at the girl they saw in Battlestar and Mandalorian, they don't like her. That's, they're not thinking about that. But in the same token, when you get that, most of the time you're not thinking about what that person's gone through. Did that person just experience loss? Did that person have something really tragic in their life going on? Are they just lonely? Yeah. Like, you don't think about that.

We don't think about that stuff the same way they don't think about it. And I have tried to do that more and reach out to people. And there are just people who are dicks. I think, too, the social media sort of turns us all into children. I think about, like, my kids, like, if they really need my attention, it doesn't matter if it's negative or positive attention. If they are feeling like they need my eyes, my attention, they'll do whatever it is. They'll knock a thing off a day.

You know, so I think sometimes people, like, it's just a cry for somebody pay attention to me, you know, and I think probably the fact that you guys are engaging with these people in a kind way and actually, like, on a personal level and saying, like, what's going on with you? Like, is best case scenario. Right. Because that person's like, oh, I didn't have to do this. I didn't have to be nasty because this person is willing to give me attention. Yeah. And is willing to have a conversation with me.

Absolutely. I just feel like everybody's just a bunch of petulant children. Yeah. Yeah, social media is really... It's tricky. It's tricky. It breaks my heart sometimes, actually. And I think that I just, I wish that people would think twice before they say the things that they say.

Yeah. It's also... Because what part of you... I think it's an ego-driven thing, too, that, like, what part of you felt like you had to say this? Yeah. That, like, the world was going to be a better place because you... Had to say everybody has a voice. Yeah.

That's what it is. It is. And everybody and it just, it's, it's, um, sir, your voice is terrible. It's horrible. I know, exactly. You should, you should see why you're on social media. But I need to tell somebody about my bologna sandwich.

Sir, we are just, that restaurant's not nice. Sir. It's really great. I'm sorry. It's really darned. I'm so sorry. I just,

you know, I'm just nervous about my life. Oh, the little kernel of truth that comes true. Yeah. it is, but it's, but it's one of those things where it's, it's, it's not just the people who are trolling. It's, it's, it's people who are just putting thoughts out there in general sometimes. You just like, I need to say this right now.

Well, you don't. It's so, exactly. That's what's so funny is I posted this thing the other day about how my new tattoo cover and like, why I did it and, and the emotional journey that I went on with it, why I did it, and the growth of the human being that I'm, becoming, right? And everyone was supportive. Everyone was like, whether you like tattoos or not, the story is like, good for you, girl, like, you know, whatever.

One person, one person, why aren't you wearing a mask? Right. One person. And now, you know, we don't want to talk about that word, but it was, and my response was, I don't want to. A clay mask. No, clay mask. But it was, yeah.

It was a clay mask. It was my response to her was, you know where I stand on these things. Right. You know, and, you know, you have a voice and you're a role model. Yeah, I'm being a role model about personal growth and being a positive human being, and that's what I'm putting out in the world. But you choose to say this, and you had to be, you had to. There was something about you that had to say this right now.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's sad. And it's also sometimes when people are screaming, like you said, 99% of it positive, one person, and that's usually the loudest person. And it's usually the person you respond to. Yes, because you're just like, well, because it's disruptive. Right. That's why it's disruptive.

You're in the middle of a really, you know, you're moving and it's like you're listening to really great music and then just static. You're like, oh, I got to fix that. How do I, how do I, well, it's jarring. It's the third grade kid in the class that does this the whole time. Yeah. And the teacher's trying to teach a class and all the kids are paying attention and everybody's loving themselves, but there's just one kid that just wants to do this.

Yeah. Because his dad is an asshole. Right. That's it. And, you know, and you just don't know. They want to, you know. That's right. Now, before we shift over, because I want to talk to you about another life,

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Very inappropriate. Very, very dark. Very silence of the land. Yeah. You're like, all right. Transition. I knew you two would get along. I knew it.

Yeah, this is, this is me being, you know, the best behavior. Yeah, this is, I, well, you have to be a little bit more now these days, huh? I do. Yeah, it makes sense. Well, and, and, and, and that's the thing. You know, when you are on a show that children watch, you have a responsibility to, you know, live in the light a little bit more. It also probably puts a good thing like we were just talking about in that previous conversation, right? It's like, because we're all human beings too.

I've gotten to that point one day when I was going to go, stay away. Right? And that's probably because of your job, you go, it makes it a lot easier to go, I'm not messing with this. I'm just going to do my thing. You know, I have a very nice experience with my tattoo. I'm going to tweet this out. I'm going to do this. And then you back away.

Sorry, by the way, that I clutched it earlier. It doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt. It's slowly healing. I was like, we're getting there. We're getting there. I was like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. I was like, I squeeze a pain.

I didn't even notice it. I didn't even notice it. So thank you. Beautiful. Thank you. Let's talk about another line. Yeah. So this is, this is a show.

Lots of love. Lots of, I mean, you put it all together. Producer on the show. Yeah. Tell me what's going on. What's the latest and greatest? So season two is coming out very soon. When?

Do we know? We do know. It's soon. And we're not allowed to say. You know, Netflix does this thing and that works for them. You know, they don't do long lead press for shows. They have realized that the attention span of human beings is so short in a social media-obsessed world that if you tell someone about something, you know, three months before they can watch it, they have forgotten by the time it comes out. So they do this thing where about three weeks for sure, but four to five weeks before.

something they might put a teaser out and then they start to put the billboards the billboards go up the week of it's amazing so or sometimes the week like it after it comes out yeah because that's when they're reminding people because people want to be able to watch something that they hear about right now if you tell me about something and i can't go watch it i don't want to watch it right yeah so you wait um and so very soon very soon and you know this has been an interesting season we started filming in February because of the thing going on in the world did did not finish and didn't go back to work till August and then finished and it was it was a very weird thing you know filming in that time was strange it was just very strange there was it was very hard to emotionally connect to the

things that were going on because you you were just white knuckling you were like Lord help us let's keep going. We just need to finish. And as a producer of a show, you feel this responsibility for people's paychecks. You know, like I was getting angry at cast that

were not necessarily being as careful as they needed to be. And I was getting so angry. Did you resonate with that whole thing that happened with Tom Cruise? Oh, 100%. Yeah. I listened to it.

And I went, oh my God, I literally said the same thing pretty much to all these people. Like, you selfish little shit. Like, you know, what are you basically doing? Like, get it together. It's three and a half months. Suck it up.

Right. Suck it up. You know? My husband's currently on a dark week of the show he writes on because two weeks in a row now. Yeah. That thing that's going on in the world. And because people can't be responsible in the cast. Yeah.

It's a very strange thing to me. And this goes back to what we were talking about earlier. When you've ridden a wave of a career and you know how blessed you are to be. to be working. Yeah. You don't want it to go away. Right. You take it seriously.

You take that responsibility seriously. Now, listen, I'm not going to say that I, you know, that I couldn't go out tomorrow in that thing that's going around and go, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. I did everything that I, you know, whatever, because I know that happens. Of course. But why the unnecessary risk? Right. It's not worth it.

There are too many people's jobs that depend on me showing up to work. Right. And I can suck. up for six months to make sure that these people continue to work. Yeah, there's a matter of, again, maturity, selflessness and all that, too, and there's other people. Just respect for other human beings. They're not.

They're not. They're people who are. Like that. I lost a lot of respect recently for Miles Teller, right? A lot of stuff that was going on with him, what he was doing. I was a big fan of his. Oh, I didn't see. I'm a huge fan of us.

I don't even want to look. Yeah, I don't. I heard a little bit about it, but I haven't. I pretty much avoid the news and social media these days. Mark, keep you saying. I don't even look. I mean, I, listen, I know what's going on in the world. You want to get updates, but you don't want to get too much in it because you can drive you nuts.

Well, I think as human beings, we weren't, we're not hardwired to take on the pain of the world. No. It is, if you, it's hard. You know, we, we have to, and I say this all the time, you have to take care of your own roof and the people surrounding you. And then you can take care of other people. And you can do it both simultaneously. Like, you know, don't be sticklers out there. I'm not saying avoid the world.

Right. But we were not meant to take this emotional toll on a daily basis. No, I mean, look at kids, man. It's too much. It's too much. All right, before we get you out of here, let me, you're working on the YouTube channel for a while. You're still working on the channel or it's harder because of everything going on? It's hard, man.

Yeah, it's a lot of work. I mean, these YouTubers. Yeah, but you've got a lot going on. It's hard to, it's because it's consistency. And it's hard to do. It is hard. It's a lot. And Robin, not only that, was shooting and editing himself and doing everything himself,

not to mention the fact that, you know, our house was being built. And we're writing the movie that we just did that that's coming out soon. And, you know, working on, we've got so many things, planning a wedding. There's so many things. I can't imagine. That it just, you know, I just mind boggled that people actually have the time. to do YouTube. I love it. We loved doing it. I wish that I could do it all the time. I have said this so many times. YouTube at one point was like giving money to celebrities to do a YouTube channel.

I couldn't get it. I was not fancy enough to get that money because we tried because if we'd gotten the money, we could have hired a shooter, hired an editor and just done our episodes, which I would have loved to have done. But I don't, we don't have the expendable income to be able to hire all those people on a weekly basis to be able to shoot this show the way that we wanted to. And it was hard. But we had so much fun doing the episodes. We loved it. Yeah.

Also, you're only going to be a newlywed once in your life. You have to enjoy that. You know, like when you have five minutes, you can sit down. It's okay. Right? Permission. Yeah. Permission to just, yeah, to just have some downtime.

So what, so right now you're waiting for another life to, well, we're waiting for the announcement, basically, of season two. What else? What's going on? What else we got in the movie that you and Robin are writing? Yeah, so I've got two projects coming out in October, November, which is great. So those will become very clear, very soon. Another life, I'm really proud of this season.

We worked very hard, and for all the guff I give the cast, they were good. They were really good. You know, I am, but I did, there are times you feel like a babysitter. Yeah. And it was hard, but we, the crew worked their ass off, the cast worked their ass off. and we finished it and then in post production, that was a hard process too. Doing post over Zoom is not easy.

Like, you know, going to color mixes and sound mixes and doing it over Zoom, it's not easy. It's inevitably it takes you 20 minutes to get everybody signed in, even though you do it every week, something goes wrong. And so I'm just really, really proud of this. You know, for us to get a third season, we will have to do as well as we did season one. And that is going to be a hard thing for us because it's been two years.

I don't even think people remember that we were on. I'm also, because I remember the great story you told me that I think was so smart about Netflix was that when you told them you were shooting Mandalorian, they were cool about it. And to them, smart business, because the other reason now is because, as you've seen your popularity grow with Boca Tan, I'm assured the strategy for them is, hey, she's got this new fan base now that should also help out with season two. Now that we know that for those new fans that you have found through Star Wars, that they'll come on over and check out season two.

Yeah, listen, that is our intent, being the executive producer of the show and having my own publicity team that I hire for things. That is our objective. Whether that's Netflix's or not, I don't know. I'm not privy to those conversations. But that is surely our objective is to piggyback on. and see if we can't get a third season.

Before I let you go, last one here. I have two questions I want to ask you, but this one, let me ask you a serious one first, and then I'll ask you the silly one. The serious question is... Do you have room for a best friend in your life? Yes. Okay.

I mean, I do. Okay, good. You know, one of them just moved to Georgia, so I am short right now. Okay, fantastic. Perfect. It's a cliche question that I have that you probably get and have gotten before, but I'm very curious because I've known you for a handful of years now,

and I remember stories that you've told me. We've known each other for almost 20 years. It's crazy. So I think I met you, I met you 2006. Really? Yes. I thought it was 2004. Okay.

2006. Check the tat. Check the tat. It was the same day. I just did this about my period the other day. I looked down on my little app because that is, you know, I don't know anyone else, that I'm going to, too much information, but whatever.

So a cancer survivor, so, and I don't have a thyroid. So to put birth control in my body changes my chemistry so much that I can't do that. So I am very good at tracking my shit, right? Yes, you have to. I looked down last night, because I know it's coming. And I looked down last night in my app, and it said 19 days until your next period. And I went, well, that's clearly not right, based on what my body's doing. That is not right.

And I went back and I went, what happened? happen and I was like oh you shot a movie in three weeks and you forgot to put in your period while you were doing it so I'm sitting there going when did I buy tampons did I bet no my assistant bought tampons when did I my dad visited when did I when did I wash out those reusable pads yeah pads are bad for the environment get your reusable bamboo ones on amazon right now and this was a missing episode of the YouTube channel it was it really is so you know where when did that happen well no I washed one out that okay all right okay so I put in I guessed and then it said you're gonna get your period in seven days and I was like that sounds more accurate now we're talking

here's the question I got asked like like I said knowing knowing you for so long and knowing a lot of the stories Katie Sackoff today producer has gone through all these different things in her life meets Katie Sackoff from Mr. Holland's opus I would hate well Katie Sackoff from Mr. Holland's opus was a very different human being. That's what I mean. Katie Sackoff from Battlestar Galactica. Okay, but let's take that, let's take that young actress kind of coming up, very similar to what you were talking about before of like, hey,

this is the way I see the world today, as opposed to how you see it today. What do you tell yourself today? It's very different because of social media. Yeah. You know, when I was a kid, when I was first starting out in this industry, you got to make mistakes and they disappeared. Right. And a mistake that, you know, ruined your reputation for one week is very different than a mistake that, you know,

buries you for the foreseeable future. And so, you know, if I was to meet that Katie back then, I don't know if I could have given her any advice that she would have listened to. She would not have listened to because she had this thing that she used to say of, you can tell me what's going to. happen if I make this mistake, but I have to do it myself, or else I'm not going to learn the lesson. So she made a lot of mistakes. Yeah. And she did a lot of shit. She's not wrong. She's not wrong.

Yeah. But God knows how I'm still alive. Yeah. Because I had a, I didn't have a chip on my shoulder. I had a, when I started in this industry, I was surrounded by men. Yeah. And I was a little girl. Yeah.

And I realized very quickly that to not, be intimidated and to not, for better or worse, you might think this is sad, whatever, this is just survival, to not be viewed as a sexual object. I became very masculine, very masculine and very edgy. I smoked, I got tattoos, I became a truck driver. I was like, this is going to protect me from not having to worry about you, you know. And so that's who I was. I was. I was. I I was that person for a very long time. And up until, you know, Battlestar slowly started to make mistakes. But I had Richard Dreyfus one time, look at me.

God love the man. I had no idea how lucky I was to be on a show working with, like, five Oscar winners every day. I was working with Peter O'Toole and Eli Wallach and Marcia K. Hardin and Richard Dreyfus and Anne Johnson and like these fucking people. Yes. I mean, Marcia had just won an Oscar for a lot. She's unbelievable. And I was going out every weekend and barely getting to work on Monday mornings. Yeah.

Because I was 20 years old. I was a kid. I was stupid. And he said to me at one point, I had a call time. I will notify around 10 o'clock on a Friday night or 9 o'clock on a Friday night. 9 o'clock rolls around. I didn't hear from them. I just assumed I'm not working.

So I went out. And I got a phone call about 11 o'clock. That, you know, or a page, excuse me. not a phone call, it was a page, that I needed to come to work and that my ride was coming to get me. And I went to work, and it was not pretty. And Richard pulled me aside, and he said, if you ever come to work like this again, I will ruin you. So do whatever you need to do to get through tonight and never do it again. Wow.

And I was like, terrified. Yeah. But I kicked your ass in the shape. Kicked my ass. Yeah. Kicked my fucking ass. It was awful. It was terrified.

I immediately called my mom. Yeah. And I said, I need help. Oh. I need help. I need you to fly to New York. Yeah. I need you stay with me because I am, I'm going to ruin everything.

And she, that woman, God, God love that woman. She was there the next morning. There was a knock on my door. And she showed up and she stayed with me for two weeks. Oh, that's an incredible story. Absolutely. Never made it. Never, never, never took it for.

granted again. So I know you keep falling in love. Did you just fall in love again? Yeah. Yeah. How do you not? But you know what? I'm not alone. No. Everybody. Everybody's like we feel you cake. We feel you. I mean, because that, but the, beauty in that is that being able to look at, I mean, shit, there's tons of stuff in my life that I've done with regrets and things that are you like, but it's like the strength of being able to, there are some people who do not go down that route and do not have the strength to call their, their mother and say, I need help. There are people who do not have the strength to listen to that advice as opposed to go, what the fuck do you know, old man?

How dare he? Yeah, how dare he tell me about it? That is my mom and my dad, right? Yeah. My mom never looked me in the face and treated me like a child that was making mistakes. Yeah. She flew to New York and she never mentioned it again. Yeah. She just went, let's be here. Let's do this. Let's figure it out. Yeah.

Let's get you on the right track. Yep. and we'll never talk about it again. So, and we didn't. It's funny thing, so Kate and Katie, I,

so when I met, I met your mom when I was, I was at the comedy stroke. Yeah, we went to a show. I did, and I remember, I had just quit my job

at Silver Pictures. And I was on them, you know, it was, it was a move I had to make. Yeah. I knew I had to make it, but I was,

I was scared. It was a full, I mean, I was, I had, you remember, I just got offered a promotion at Silver and I turned it down as far as being an executive over there because I wanted to go back into stand-up and produce my own thing.

And your mom sat me, we sat down on the outside of the bar and we had a conversation and she said, do you know, ask me about the, was it the right move? Do I feel it was the right move? And she said, just follow your, follow your heart, follow your instincts and stay strong. If you feel it because she was, she was curious. It's like is it the right move? She didn't know me from all on the wall. So it was like, but it was a very, you could tell it was a very kind of comforting that,

just hearing you talk, I was like, that's kind of the conversation that I had with her out there. Just like, do your thing. Have it, believe in yourself. And it'll, you know, my dad was the same way though. Can I schedule a meeting with your mom? My mom's pretty amazing. The beautiful thing about my mother is that my mom may have, trust me, she's got opinions about what you're doing.

Yeah. but she will not let it influence her advice. Oh, yes. And she will listen to you and she will. And this is the thing that is amazing about my mother. Good, bad, ugly, everything. She will always, like, respect you. Yeah.

My mom does not judge anyone. It is the most interesting thing ever. She will, for all the mistakes that my brother and my sister and I have all made. she does not judge anyone. She's just like, it's what you need to do. You let me know if you need anything. It's absolutely amazing. It's a great way to end the show, to be honest with you.

It really is. It's inspiring. It was a great conversation with you as always. I missed you. I missed you too. I haven't seen anyone. I was stuck in Canada for 10 months. I know.

Now you're back. And that was my daughter who was so upset that she wouldn't get to meet you today. She, I said, look, I said, Katie lives pretty close and we're going to do a barbecue. And I already invited. I supposedly three miles. I know. I said I already invited her and her, her fiancee over for the barbecue.

And she's like, she's like, she's going to come to the barbecue? She's like, can we have a barbecue tomorrow? And I was like, not tomorrow, but she will, she will come to the barbecue. Well, if she wants to, if she decides, don't influence her in any way. But if she decides to be Bokatan, I have a helmet that's not Bocatan's helmet. Yeah. But it is, it was made from, it looks pretty damn close. that she should be, she should wear.

I will definitely let her know. If, don't influence it. I want to influence her. Because I think if you say that, she will be like, I'm being Bocatan. Well, I'm just, well, I have to offer it. Kate's like, I'll be Bocatian for Halloween. I'm like, actually, I don't know.

Maybe don't tell me. Kate will just be walking around nude with the helmet on making eggs. Oh my God. Have you seen the fan art? No. You guys, there's like a whole subset of people on the internet that do like Bocatan porn art. Oh, look at that.

She's got the helmet on and like the biggest boobies in the world. and like this little skinny waist and that I would never have, even if I, like, waist trained forever. And like a booty, a booty that is, that is not my booty. There's no part of me. So far, like, I feel like you're just describing yourself.

Well, you know, that's the way I see myself. Hello, ego. But no, it's amazing. It's like, I saw this. And I was like, that is wildly, I mean, phenomenal art. No judgment. But holy Hannah.

Yeah. Well, please come back again. And now, because as you've seen this show that we're doing now, this is a very different show from things we haven't done in the past because there's no restraints. It's like you just talk, we have a good time. It's very old school. Doesn't it feel like the, remember the old days on Shmoh's No?

It does. You came in. And then Mark wanted to be here, by the way. He's going to be back. So next time you come in, we'll just bullshit. I wanted to talk to you about, because I know you're a big TV fan, stuff that you're watching, but we'll do that next time. We'll just get into a whole bunch of shit.

What are you watching right now? We want to do it because I got... I'm watching so much, but the thing we're watching literally right now is, well, we're waiting for Rick and Morty and, like, dying. But we are watching physical with Roseburn. I started it, yeah. Amazing. Triggering for a lot of people.

If you've got eating issues, it may not be the best show for you to watch. We are watching Ted Lasso, which genius. And I was really disappointed. Season two seemed to sort of like flounder a little bit. And I was a little concerned that it wouldn't find the sport aspect of it again. And it's writing, it's correcting. What they're doing is this season. They're making you fall in love even more with every individual character.

It's really great. And now we just watched Clickbait. We're watching Clickbait. Right, that's the one with... Adrian Grenier. Right, yes. My mother-in-law's been watching it. Is it good?

You know what? It does what Netflix does very well, which is that you stay up for 4 o'clock in the morning and you're like, oh, my God, just one more episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can do one more. Yeah. You're watching what we do in the shadows at all? I love what we do in the shadows. I do.

I do. But I haven't, I haven't got into the numbers. No, every time I drive up Olympic, there's a billboard. Yes. And it reminds me how much I like Tycho. Wait, D. I'm just telling you, if, the way I feel about that man.

Tika and Jermaine. Jermaine. Jermaine. Didn't he direct the last one? No, no, Peyton Reed did. No, Peyton did. Right. So did you work with Tyga yet?

No, but I've met Tyka. Talk slowly. Give me the details. I was instead of Thor. Oh, my God. He's like, I know, he's such a brilliant, brilliant man. He's naturally funny too. But what's interesting, though, is that like he just watching him work then is that he has the ability, and this is a smart thing, this is a smart leader.

you keep a fun set but you do your work it's so smart and you don't have to rule with anything other no you just keep it light keep it happy keep it fun but do your job and that's what Tyca does nobody has that business being

that funny that brilliant that I mean it's just give one of your talents to someone else or share them all with me Tyka well we shared a lot with you guys here today ladies and gentlemen and Katie Sackoff joining us so thank you guys so much and make sure that you comment if you haven't done that comment we're trying to respond to as many as possible apple podcasts spotify everywhere podcasts are found please do that if you're brand new to the channel please subscribe we have this

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