The Kristian Harloff Show - Kevin Feige talks about the changes he would make to the MCU if he could time travel.

Episode Date: July 26, 2024

On today's show as Deadpool and Wolverine hits the theaters, we discuss our NON spoiler thoughts of the film and what could be revealed by Marvel at Comic Con San Diego. We also dive into the comments Marvel president Kevin Feige made about what he would change about the MCU if he could travel back in time. We dive into The Joker trailer and more. Join Kristian, Winston and Coy for this episode of Big Thing Capes and Cowls as we dive into it! #deadpoolandwolverine #deadpool3 #kevinfeige #marvel #MCU #DC #DCU #joker #joker2 

I'll be honest with you. I think the thing that most of us are really frustrated with with the world right now is the idea of I saw something with my own eyes. I heard something with my own ears. I know it's not AI. And yet you're gaslighting me that there's a problem. And I think we've all come to terms and agree that there were genuine issues with a lot of the installments out of the MCU for the last few years. What would MCU head Kevin Feigy do if he could go back in time and change things? within the MCU. Well, he talked about just that. He also talks about the MCU in general. Where's it going? Eternal's too. We're ever going to see it? What's happening with Blade updates there?

We also have Deadpool and Wolverine right around the corner. It literally is out now. You guys can see the movie. Well, we're going to do some non-spoiler thoughts on the film and we are going to talk about how it could potentially change the MCU. Again, non-spoiler. So get ready for it. It's capes and cows everybody myself Winston and Coy let's do it here we go welcome back ladies and gentlemen to big thing Caps and Cows

myself Christian Harloff with Coy Chondro Winston A. Marshall Mr. Fantastic you got look at that see sometimes I can't say right beforehand I was like okay we're going to be okay we're going to be good

and now we're fuzzy again so perfect whatever it is what it is let's start with this particular thing here, guys. We've all seen we're going to do a full on spoiler review for Deadpool and Wolverine on Monday.

It'll be on the challenge we do. Oh, we haven't done one for Marvel because this is the first Marvel release for the entire year. And so I think if I'm going to rank it, I'm going to say that I know that you both loved it. I think that

Koi's probably on a, it's a perfect movie train. Winston's like it's great, super great, and I'm like, it's pretty good. I would assume that's accurate all the way around, right? I think Coyne actually have it, if we're ranking it amongst the Deadpool movies in the same spot, I think for me it goes one three, two. Yeah, it's one three two for me. Deadpool one is in my top five superhero movies. This one's in then like the top 15, but Deadpool one's hard to beat.

Yeah, yeah. Because I think in the same breadth of like some of the other films that lean on, you know, decades of buildup. This is kind of a goodbye cameo stuff, all that. That gives it a little extra bump that it doesn't take away from it being a movie. I think every single cameo in this movie is earned and done properly.

But there was something just very fresh and original about that OG Deadpool. Sure. Not that you don't see that here, but that just had a very special place. It's kind of hard to beat it. It's like an artist's opening album. They spent 11 years making it. And then their sophomore albums like,

I'm gonna figure it out. And then there's an album's like we figured it back out. Like that's what it feels like. It feels like a punk band rediscovering what made them punk. Dude, everybody keeps saying that the M&M show was the best thing. But for me, the original Slim Shady LP, the very first one is my favorite. I'm a morechiali guy, which I totally understand. But that's how I feel about this too.

I'm like, yo, M&M show, Deadpool 3, fire. But like, I love the OG. For me, I'm going to go Kendrick with Damn, I think, is it comes out the gate with you can tell he put that together for years. And then for me, Good Kid Mad City was, I'm going to, how do I change the sound, but also still be true to myself? And I love that album, but that kind of felt like Deadpool 2. And this feels like the heartfelt, Miss Morrell. That's weird for you to say that because, you know, it goes Section 80, Good Kid, Mad City, to Pippet Butterfly, and then Dan. Dan was the fourth album.

Yeah, you're right. I was saying energetically. I was, yeah, you're right. Like, for time it's a chronology, you're right, but I meant, like, energy of the album. Because to me, Dan feels like the most of, like, who he is. But. See, that's why I feel like good kid mad city is. There's a whole other tangent.

The point is, the point is. Christian just cuts to us. I didn't even realize we were taping. So when, this movie, though, I think it's definitely, and this is a conversation we had on, on big thing yesterday, is, I'm wondering if you guys think, is it the best since end game, best MCU movie? I would put it, I'd put the conversation with No Way Home.

I'd say that it probably edged it out, maybe just a little bit. I don't know. I do think this is my biggest criticism with the movie. It's like, I thought that the movie landed with the majority of its jokes. I think the jokes were definitely fast and furious. And I think that it is very inside baseball and the fact that I know all the jokes it landed to me. But I think that as an outside person, there's a ton of things that are going to go way over people's heads, way over people's heads.

Dude, I think there's enough jokes like a mile a minute that the ones that go where people says there's another joke for them right after. Oh, I agree. I don't disagree with what you're saying.

Oh, I agree with you. And I also agree with that. What you just said, I'm just saying that sometimes I was like, oh, the heart, it's right there. Oh, they went with a right-hand joke when they could have just stuck with the heart. And I think that No Way Home has a little bit more heart.

This movie has heart. It absolutely does. And I think that both Hugh Jackman, he, as Winston said, He is the glue of this, for sure, because it's what he is able to do. And he actually has that core thing that Ryan Reynolds is almost forced sometimes to say, oh, hey, this is a movie also, just to let you know. And it works.

But I think sometimes it's a little, it throws off the course of, I'm so invested in this. Oh, it's a joke. Oh, yeah, that's right. I'm watching a movie. They want you to do that. But sometimes I thought it was a little bit of a detriment. Yeah, I can understand that. I think now that this is the third iteration

we're getting of a proper Deadpool out of Ryan Reynolds, I'm used to him going joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. And then 5% is, let me be serious right now because, like, that was, you know, him with the whole cancer moment in the first one, you know, and in the second one, like, losing Vanessa, obviously, and stuff like that.

That's what I was kind of used to. Nothing is serious for Deadpool until it's serious. Right. And so I think by having, you be kind of the anchor where his jokes are more based in his rage than anything else. And so then he really does become the anchor. I know both of you aren't really with Thor Love and Thunder anymore and I'm not, or never were.

And I'm not really on it anymore either. But the moments that seem to try and keep it together for a minute were when we got to cut away to Natalie with the cancer. And so I think Hugh having to sit with the things he's done. Yeah. that this iteration, the things that he's done, is the stuff that brings us in. And it's also what ties him to Deadpool, because then in the final sequence, obviously, I won't talk about it. But that's the same thing.

That's what's tying them together. Yeah. You know? And I think that that's, that is where the heart lives is to, like any good Christian, you would know better than both of us. Like any good stand up, it is joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. And then there's a moment where, like, you stop and you might tell a story and people are really investing. and they're not really laughing, they're listening to you. And then finally, last joke, and you're like, damn, that was a killer.

I will say that the majority of that's exactly what this movie does. It's just a couple times I was, it was in the same way that I felt sometimes about Guardians movies where I'm like, oh, it was really funny and it really worked. That joke really worked. But did they sacrifice a nice moment in general there to build story? And I felt, and it was, but it wasn't to where it was like, oh, my God, this movie could have been so much more. I still gave it like an 8.2 at a tent, you know, it's like, so, um,

And I thought the villains were a little weak. And we'll talk about this more on spoiler. I think that the villains were a little weak. I think that both, well, again, we'll wait for spoilers to get into it. But I really enjoyed the movie, and I thought that the chemistry between these two guys were so, it was so good. There was a lot of great laughs. There was a lot of good moments overall. It was a love letter to the Fox universe, for sure.

But it's also going to make a lot of money. This movie is already, we talked about this briefly yesterday on the show, but it's set to open to a massive 360 million at the worldwide box office this weekend. But could the latest MCU movie exceed expectations? And so this is from comic book movie. Deadpool Wolverine arrives in the theaters across the globe this weekend. And according to deadline, it's currently eyeing a 160 to 170 debut in North America alone, which would be the biggest R-rated opening ever. The last Marvel Studios to be released on big screen was the Marvels, and that debuted with a thudding 46.1 million in the U.S. and 110 worldwide.

Oof. The trade adds that Deadpool and Wolverine is eyeing 180 to 190 internationally, meaning the three-cool predicted globally bow currently stands at 340 to 360. That's an epic start, and we wouldn't be shocked to see the movie exceed that. So there was a prediction of 200 million opening weekend a few weeks ago, and the trades believe that that's still possible. if Deadpool and Wolverine overperforms. The R-rated will be a factor

as some parents will be reluctant to take their kids. Even if Deadpool and Wolverine opens to the lower end of the 340 worldwide, it will still be ahead of Deadpool at 264, Deadpool 2 at 263, and DC's Joker, 243. Needless to say, numbers like this bound to get fans speculating

about a possible Deadpool 4 appearing on the Tonight Show. Jimmy Fallon asked, Ryan Reynolds downplayed it. He said, oh, God, no, the actor said when asked about a fourth installment, my wife and children will divorce me. Jimmy, I have no pre-up with any of them. I will be capital B broke and in turn probably then doing Deadpool 4 because I need the money.

Asked if Taylor Swift will play Dazzler. Reynolds responded with, I wish, suggesting she could instead pick up where he leaves off. If I ever stopped, she'd make a good Deadpool, he joked. Let's start with this quick. Let's talk about the box office first. This is a movie that is easily going to make a billion. Roker already knows he owes me a stake. this is going to be I think it is going to

exceed expectations I think Twister's already proved that that is going to happen for summer movies that movie made 80 million this opening weekend people thought it was going to make 60 or whatever it would

this movie's going to make $200 million opening weekend and it'll be a billion within three weeks tops what do you think? Opening worldwide

at a third of a billion for an R-rated movie is insane and without spoiling a single thing I will comfortably say this is one of the most rewatchable movies I can think of I have

been like we saw it 12 hour like not long ago and I am fiending I have Comic Con for five days I'm there Wednesday to Sunday the amount of willpower it will be to not get in a car and drive 40 minutes to the near theater

because there's nothing in the gas lamp there's no theater there if there was I would be antisocial like if there was a theater still in the gas slam, I'd be like, sorry, I know there's a party, I should network. No, I'm seeing Deadpool moving. It's that good. So I think, uh, I think the third of Billy, comfortable. I think within two weeks, maybe edging towards two and a half, a billion dollars. And I think this is going to be the biggest Rated movie of all time. All right. Winston, so what do you think overall with your thoughts on box office? How does it do? Yeah, I mean, I think that it's,

we all agree it's going to easy, clear a billion. Um, I think it will be rough to catch, say, in no way home or a top gun because of it being an R and like a hard R as far as the violence and and the profanity. But I think it can pass Barbie. I think that you can hit a 1.4, maybe even a 1.5 because of how much rewatchability there is with with all sorts of Easter eggs and jokes that maybe you didn't hear because it was joke after jokes. So people are already laughing at the first one that they didn't hear the second one.

I feel like that happened once or twice. I miss some stuff. you know i was laughing real hard there was one that i was laughing at that everybody else why is he laughing dude our audience man i hate press screenings i hate him so much if i felt the quills i felt these pretentious little like it tv like i was i was so i was ecstatic and i felt the tension of our joy like i felt how much we were in the movie and how much like most of the audience was fine but not happy and we were ecstatic and so like you must have you must have been sitting next to bibiani well i felt his presence worry not

What, Bibbs was there? Yeah, he hated. Snyder was there. They both hated. Oh, yeah. And I felt that I felt pockets of silence, like when you look at a beautiful piece of art and you see where it's deteriorating. Like, I felt the pockets of the theater that weren't in were so palpable. And I had such exuberance that I started to get self-conscious.

And then I was like, no, now this is for me. They can deal. And I'll be honest with you. If you want to go that route, if you just want to go, let's fully break it down for whatever. Sure. There are significantly better written, paste out movies as far as that stuff goes, but you need to remember what this is. And literally, it is an un-a-bash just chaos because that's what the character is. And when you throw in the fact that this movie takes so much time to take swings at the MCU about what they're doing wrong at the same time and making fun of that and then trying to fix it, but also just making fun.

Like it's meant to be chaos. And so I think anybody that's like, oh, brother, they're not going to like this. Yeah. And those people absolutely absolutely have their place. Like the critics are a job. That's an important job. I just struggle at the setting of seeing something that is this type of movie in that setting. That's like one of the main reasons I like premieres isn't because of just the like, oh, it's fancy.

It's because everyone there is there to celebrate. And I wish there was like a press. I wish there were two press greetings. one for people that are in the press and one for people that love doing press and i really i had a lot of joy but i can't wait to see this with the public like i cannot wait to see this with fans versus critics it's funny and i don't know if it's a new york thing or whatever it was but um it i my the audience i saw with it was pretty much critics was having a blast everyone was having a lot of fun it didn't seem uptight and now if it was just an l-a thing in new york thing i have no idea

Some up to just if 20% of the people are, are huffy, I feel it. And maybe that's just because of it. I'm with, I, I've, I've been in those rooms quite. No,

I understand for sure. I just saw, I saw a lot more positivity and, and kind of laughing and goofing around with it because it's not, it's like, I will disagree. I mean, talking to Roxy about yesterday,

said it's a perfect movie. In my opinion, it's not a perfect movie. It's not a perfect movie. But that's her opinion. But in, I think there was a lot of things of, as I mentioned, there's tons of times.

I was just like, I get it. you're funny, and I get that this is peek behind the curtain, but let's focus on the story here. And then there's other times, I'm like, I'm so glad that he did that and he did that in general because this is what everybody thought it was going to be. And he said, no, it's not that. It's this. How do you like that?

I actually do love this universe. I do that, you know, like that type of thing. That was, that to me was something like that was, those things were nice to see. So anyway, yeah, the movie's going to make a ton of money. Now, as far as moving along to the fact that the Deadpool foresight of it, he's like, oh, God, no, God no. I think that, well, you've heard Blake Lively, who's talked about in interviews, I think it's probably true.

He's probably half kidding that she's probably like, okay, enough is enough after this. But I still think he's going to be back in the MCU because there's something in particular that happens in this movie that we'll talk about in the spoilers that I have a theory about that I think kind of guarantees that he's going to be in some of these movies, He's going to, whether it's Avengers or these other things, he's going to pop up again for sure. And I think it's probably something he wants to do because it doesn't have to carry everything on his shoulders.

Yeah, and I'll be honest with you. There are some folks that generally like, no, I have enough money. I'm good. I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. If we're correct about how much money this movie is about to do, do you really think Disney is going to give a damn what Blake lively thinks? You'll be like, I'm sorry, we own your husband now. We kind of need to.

they will do whatever it takes to make her happy. I don't think Disney owns him anymore, dude. I don't think he's the one guy that they don't own. I think that part of the deal, he's a producer on this thing. He's a writer on this thing. I think that I think he's got a lot more power than a lot of stars who sign up to deals. I don't mean that in the sense that he's in a contract that he can't get out of. I mean that this is going to make so much money, whatever they have to do to court Tom Brady to get them on another ring.

They're going to do it. They're like, well, make sure Giselle doesn't divorce you. you, but we need you to like whatever. I don't know if that's your example. Giselle divorced him. It's literally what he just said. He was like, she'll divorce me. And I'm like, yeah, this feels like if you do this too many times,

McCoy, she didn't divorce him in the middle of a championship run. Okay, that's fair. I was like, they are divorced. That's also true. But I think it'd be a situation where they would, they would just have a serious conversation. Okay, this is all we will ask of you one way or the other.

So then if it happens, if I had to guess, if they were going to do another day, Deadpool movie, since there were already rumors with Sean Levy and him talking about potentially doing, directing a Deadpool Spidey movie, because they do team up a lot in the comics. I can see where you put more of the onus on Tom and then Deadpool comes in. You know what I mean? And so then it's Spider-Man and Deadpool instead of Deadpool and Wolverine. So then Spider-Man is the focus.

And then you could put as much Ryan as Blake will allow. And then, you know, you don't go that way. see that happening yeah i don't know if i'd want to see that only because i think that with wolverine coming in with hugh jackman the way that it was because of their relationship i'm okay with one movie inside of the dead blue universe of one character where it's like because i didn't love the she hulk thing with that stupid kevin bot at the end i hated it some people liked it i hated it and i thought it was so like i'm not watching a show anymore i mean i'm not watching i'm not invested anymore it's like they're clearly showing me this this is a show and i understand that that's what

Sheehog did in the comics, and I understand that that's what Deadpool does here. And in the movies, for some reason, it works for me, but to continue to do it on every single thing where, you know, every character is starting to break the wall and do all that, I think that it's enough for me here. I would like to see Deadpool show up in other movies. I'd like to see him be in some of these things going forward with the multiverse, how it's going to pan out to end these phases and then maybe he kind of exits his way out, but like I like all three Deadpool movies. I would be okay

if this is the last one. I don't disagree with you that this is something that a lot of people do. We just made so much money on this thing. We've got to get another one. I hope that Ryan Reynolds goes, nah, you know what? I'm paying me to be in a couple more movies, but I don't think we need to do another one because I think three is enough. You end out strong here on this movie and that's it because Deadpool kind of has his reasoning of what he

wants to do and I think his storyline kind of ties up pretty nicely in this one yeah I guess the only thing I was going to say and that's why I was thinking it would be spider man and deadpool I would see this being a spider man film that in the same way that this this is not a wolverine film it's a deadpool film it's just Wolverine has a very very major part like if if you know Deadpool obviously is the a story wolverine's the B it would be the same thing civil war Tony Tony Stark and captain America it's like It was Civil Warhead. It was a Captain American movie, but it was as much of a Tony Stark movie, too.

Exactly. That's what I see this being, if you're going to get Ryan to do another full film as Deadpool. Otherwise, it is the character comes in because it's an Avengers film, a Secret Wars thing. You know, he gets paid to steal vibranium, so he's in Wakanda.

I don't know, but I genuinely think that the only way that that would happen is he wouldn't be the lead. He would be the secondary character. I want Garfield then not Tom just vibe wise I agree with that like if you're gonna do a the two-hander with them to Tom Holland's like tone doesn't quite fit as well as plus that Andrew Garfield making out with Ron Reynolds video at that award show I'm like they got chemistry that'll do you know what they do it is a Tom Holland film but then every time something a little more overt happens it just cut just cut plus I think Andrew Garfield was at the premiere. Oh that that chemistry well there you go all right listen so I want to get your thoughts on everything we talked about was box off how you think this movie's going to do overall.

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He says, I've been proud of almost every project that we've made and every decision that we've made, said Marvel Studios, Kevin Feigy, when asked about what he'd change about the MCU. with time travel and changing the past serving as a central element of the upcoming Deadpool and Wolverine film what would Kevin Feige change if he could change the past? In an interview with Blavity TV, it's revealed that Deadpool is struggling with whether he can rewrite the past by changing one moment and the interviewer puts the same question to Fige

if you could change the past, what would you alter? Fige took some time to think about it and it seems like he was hesitating to answer but then he said, in little ways there's lots of things. He said, you can't finish a problem. and then look at it again and not see lots of little things that you would have done differently. In the big picture, we've been very lucky. I've been very proud of almost every project we've made and every decision we've made.

I think we've not been shy by saying post-end game with Disney Plus, there were so many new things we brought to the platform in our enthusiasm to bring new characters to life. Fiking then slightly pauses and changes his line of thought as he realizes his comment may be skewing too heavily towards the negative side and says, I think everything had its value, but now that we're looking at how to maintain the excitement and the enthusiasm for a handful of projects a year. Clearly, Feigey thinks that Marvel Studios produced too much too soon when it came to the launch of Disney Plus, but that begs the interesting question, if Marvel actually had a do-over,

what Disney Plus shows wouldn't have been made. The conversation then closes out with the talks of Wesley Snipes Blade and whether he could appear in the upcoming MCU movie as the interview was a big fan of Snipes movies. Feige took time to share where things stand on Blade's production, but also shut down any hopes of Snipes returning. We're still committed to the movie and we're so committed that we're not going to make it until it's right, which has been frustrating for us and for some fans because it's taken a while. But we have a new writer working on it now. I've had read half of his new draft and it's feeling good so far. Wesley's great. Wesley's the greatest. Mahershala is the one who came in

four years ago, five years ago and said, I want to play Blade and it's what this movie's about. In Marvel's Deadpool and Wolverine, Sean Levy directs Hugh Jackman's Wolverine and Ryan Reynolds's Deadpool and an MCU film that is described as epic time traveling, road trip buddy film, which will change the MCU. What stands out to me is what we've heard many times over is that, well, I think that I talked about in this show, I'm not sure if I did. I know I brought it up this week. I had heard that basically Marvel knows that they maybe took a couple of swings in a couple

different directions, which it was certain things they were trying to do, whether it was, whatever it might be, message-wise, whether it was trying to do too much, too soon, a lot of different things and they said, we want to go back to where it's let's put everything in focus and let's do it right like we used to. And from what it looks like with Daredevil, this movie, other things, it looks like they're trying to write the ship again. And these comments from Kevin Feigey seem to also say, yeah, we had a couple meetings realized we ain't doing it right. And if you see this movie, they clearly feel that way because they wouldn't let half the crap that Deadpool says about them in this movie go if they didn't realize yeah a lot of this is

pretty true all right Winston so you hear these thoughts from Feigy what do you think that actually makes me feel good because I'll be honest with you I think the thing that most of us are really frustrated with with the world right now is the idea of I saw something with my own eyes I heard something with my own ears I know it's not AI and yet you're gaslighting me that there's a problem and I think we've all come to terms and agree that there were genuine issues with a lot of the installments out of the MCU for the last few years. There's some that have knocked it out of the park. Guardians 3, No Way Home.

You had other ones that were okay, but you kind of got mixed bags. So like multiverse of madness, I didn't love that, but there are plenty of people that did. We love the turtles. There's plenty of people that didn't. But then you had ones that like people universally were like, what just happened? And so I think to acknowledge we haven't been on top of our game. So we took a step back. We took a time out.

We drew up a new game plan. And now we're running this completely different, you know, offense now. I think that that's exactly what we need. And that's how you build confidence back when you not only admit that you were wrong, but then you start to show me how you're doing better. I think that that takes such a level of maturity and feeling secure about yourself to be able to do that. And again, that is how you build back trust.

and that's how you build back confidence. You don't lie to my face when I can see it. You acknowledge it and then make a promise and actually do better. Coy? Yeah, I stand by. There is more good than bad, but bad is always going to get more pressed because people enjoy celebrating things not working out. So I do like they're acknowledging certain missteps and doing it tactfully,

like Kevin Fuggie's very good at. He's very good at interviews. But I do think they're also in a really tricky, or they were in a really tricky no-win scenario with these giant, announcements that I hope they don't do again at Comic-Con. I hope Comic-Con is largely the next two or three years, and there's plenty they could announce that would be huge. Like, if there's a giant announcement in the next two, three years, go for it.

But I don't think they should announce anything that doesn't have a writer, director, and pre-production pretty far into it. Because if you have the Blade situation, for example, you either have the group of people that are like, just put it out, just put it out. And then there's the other group people that are like, Marvel just puts anything out and just assumes people will see it because the Marvel Studios brand.

So you kind of can't win if it's not excellent. So I think they should not announce stuff unless it's as far along as it needs to be. Can I ask a quick question? So next year we get Brave New World, Thunderbolts, and Fantastic Four? Yes. And it was originally Blade as a fourth. And then what do you say, Christian? Blade potentially in November.

So the only thing, and it's weird about making any more Blade announcements, the only things that we should really be getting out of them at Comic-Con is give me, you know, some information maybe about Captain America. Give me some information maybe about Thunderbolts. If you have something, like if you want to bring the cast out for Fantastic Four, because I know we said they start shooting in Monday. The next. I think that's almost guaranteed because you shoot Monday.

You can do that. And then if there is true that you finally have Blade, the only announcement you should be giving outside of those three, to be honest with you is, hey, we did get Jordan Peel. And now out on the stage, Jordan Peel and Mahershala Ali. Otherwise, don't even, don't sniff a, a secret. Secret Wars. Don't tell me a Kang if you recast. Don't give me a Robert Donnie. Nothing. Just focus on these three and give me a little teaser of the last major thing that isn't geared and ready to go. I think 80% that 20% they know they need to like break the internet, get morale back. So I do think that's where the focus should be. And then whatever is the firmest of 2026. Like give us a 2025 heavy slate, remind people how much things are good, celebrate your giant.

box office that you're in the middle of. Their Saturday panel is right when those box office numbers are going to be firm enough. Celebrate that and then give a little tiny taste of 2026, but do not a 2027. They're in a different place. When they were doing, when they were doing all the like look what's coming next and all that, they were in a place where everybody was just wait, wait, wait, what do you got? What do you guys got to come next? Because everything is working.

Everything is working. Everything is amazing. So yeah, everything is amazing. So guess what we have. We have this. We have this. We have this setup. Now it's like, look at what we have right now.

and the stuff we already have, that's the stuff we're going to focus on because they're going to do more than just information on Captain America. They're going to show more footage. They're probably show exclusive footage because they've already released the trailer, so it'll probably be the opportunity

to actually give Hall H some exclusive stuff. Maybe another trailer. I don't know. I think there was probably too close to it. Thunderbolts will probably have some kind of trailer that's put out for it. There's been enough shot. Now, whether or not that's going to be something

that's shown to the public, but the audience will definitely get it in Hall Age. Fantastic Four clearly won't have any footage because they don't start shooting yet, but bringing the cast out would make a ton of sense, and Deadpool and Wolverine will probably have a big thing that they're going to do because it's opening weekend, and they're probably just going to,

it would make sense for them to do something. Or have Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman there. I mean, you get more people, everyone in that damn place is going to see that movie anyway, but why not make some kind of viral event out of it and get to Comic-Con? To see them show up in the costumes would be amazing, probably won't happen, but if it did, it'd be

really amazing. I think that then you focus to show some Daredevil stuff or you tell about Daredevil, or is it just going to be movie stuff, Corey? Is that all they're doing for Hollywood? I'm hearing that it's going to be movie centric D23 TV-centric, but that's just hearing from people that like to make stuff up for clicks. So I think that

would make sense. Disney Plus feels very D-23 and I think there'd be a good way to keep things clean. Sure. I agree. I think Agatha coming out beforehand surprised a lot of people. I would have assumed they'd held that for D23 because unlike the cap trailer, which clearly they wanted to attach to Deadpool, I didn't see any reason to release Agatha, but I do think it's going to be D23,

Wonder Man, Agatha, and Daredevil. Yeah, well, I mean, this is the pushback that I would have on that is like, yeah, you release a trailer, get the interest going. And for people who go to the D23 thing, you get scenes, you get some scenes from the show, you get some, you get cast members talking about it. You don't have to just because that's what I would, well, that's what I would do. I would say, listen, if we're going to worry about somebody, you know, leaking stuff and they're going to leak

the freaking trailer. Let's put the trailer out first. Put the trailer out first. We'll get some people talking about this thing. Show them what the tone is of it and they'll put some scenes out. Our best goal is the D23 stuff doesn't get leaked very often. They're very they lock it down in there and

they can just show scenes and not trailers but I think that showing movies is probably the smarter play in Hall H for Comic-Con because the trailers and build up those projects. Now the question will be what kind of information will they have on Blade? Now are they going to announce a Jordan Peel for director?

Will they announce a big director? Or are they going to be, if they don't confidently have, don't talk about it. Just leave it alone. And we also are working on Blade. Moving on, you know, it's like that's what they should do. If they don't know, if they don't know, you couldn't talk about it. I think we'll get that big, you know, image of the schedule.

And I think Blade will be on it. and if there is no director, it'll be on it. If there is a director, they'll come out. Like, I think Blade will be mentioned either via graphic. Right. Or if there's something firm, he'll come out. And I think that's also how they might handle Avengers Five. The Russo's, the Russo's are going to be announced.

The Russo's are going to be announced, right? They're going to. I assume. Yeah. They'll bring the Russo's out. The Russo's on. They'll probably be announced. I think you're right, though, if, I mean, you said it's talking heads.

So maybe they, I mean, shit, we're talking heads. But people that are baiting for clicks, I can also see if you, because you showed Agatha, if you're like, oh, and here's one more thing instead of pushing movies extra hard that maybe you're not ready to, then maybe you get a Daredevil trailer. Because Born Again is supposed to be out next year, isn't it? Yeah, but I don't think, I think Koi's right.

I don't think they're going to show TV at Holly. You think they're just going to save for 23. Especially right now, the optics around it is we're doing less. We're focusing on this. We're doing less. And I think if you go into the TV, then it's like, way, wait, wait, that's a lot. You guys are doing a lot.

I just think optically, Disney plus D23, it feels structured. I agree. I mean, that, that makes, I was, I was saying if you're trying to find some other things done, then you could do that. But it would make sense to save Agatha, Daredevil. For D23. Yeah, it is. And Wonder Man, I think we'll get a big push at D23. It also doesn't make your audience feel, it doesn't make your audience for one of the other ones feel cheated.

It's like, okay, they got film, we got TV. And that's another way to do it. Joker, Folly a Duke. The new trailer dropped the other day. And man, oh man, I am super, super hyped for this film. Now, this is the type of movie that I will, I can see, though, myself, because I like this dark shit. I just do. I like this stuff.

And I loved what they did in that first movie. And I could see myself at the end of the year when we're putting out our list. I can see this ranking over Deadpool. It's two very different movies, two very different movies. But this is the type of thing that I get, I'm turning, and in my old age, I'm turning into more of like a, I guess the film snob, if you will, or I shouldn't say film snob. That's not fair.

More of a, more of like a story character snob. You know, like that's the type of stuff like, and I think, Coy, you'll probably agree with me here. I'm taking Game of Thrones, House of Dragon all day over the Acolyte, right? Because it's more about just. Easy pick. Right. Cotton candy over like steak.

And that's not a, that's not a good comparison. If you're going to do that, then you should. to go on House of the Dragon versus the Boys because then that looks more like Deadpool and Joker in my opinion. No, no, no, no, because the boys is still very detailed in writing. I'm not talking about Deadpool not having good writing. I'm just saying in general when it comes to

certain things of what I find myself enjoying more. I enjoy really detailed stuff. And I like the spectacle of Deadpool. I like the spectacle of, and for the heart that worked, it worked. But this movie is going to be

it looks like an intense. hence, you know, deep film, you know, within the psyche of this freaking lunatic. And I think Lady Ganga is going to steal the show from, and she doesn't even, she doesn't really have much to do in the trailer, but there's just when she does, it looked like natural born killers to me, this one. All right, Coy, so what say you? Yeah, I mean, I totally agree. I think the first one is definitely like Scorsese and King of Comedy and like certain elements.

And this absolutely still mirrors that. it's clearly still the same world, but I definitely did get some natural born killers. I definitely got that really interesting crime texture. You got from that era of filmmaking where everything felt so. There's like this docu series, a slice of life, like you're on a ride along with them. Since, like, I really grounded and you feel like you're on the journey with the psychopath. So you are like, wait, why am I identifying with this? And I think natural born killers does that very well.

And I think the first Joker does that very well. But there's definitely a sense of, like, like come with me on this journey of madness that I'm really excited for and I think that's why the musical elements are going to work because you're going to be in that space like you're going to be with them in the madness so I personally think you know not only is it a sequel so we're inherently more aware like we we know these characters a little more you don't have to retell that story so I think it definitely takes some fun lefts in the trailer yeah and I think that they I can totally see at the end of this I remember when we first discussed it we all were saying

Deadpool over Joker, but now that we're on the other side of one of them and still kind of figuring out what the other one is, I can totally understand if Joker ends up surpassing Deadpool as far as overall film. Now, as far as the money it makes,

I would say Deadpool has a higher a higher ceiling in my opinion, but that doesn't mean I think that Joker could also clear a billion. I think Joker's going to clear a billion, but I think just the And this is where, I mean, Christian and I are different points in life.

But I also think like I'm in a point of I still enjoy my fincher, my mind hunter, my trauma, my darkness. But like I'm currently like, I'd like to escape for a bit. And I think Deadpool and Wolverine, I'll be rewatching more. So just for my experience, what I got out of Deadpool Wolverine was such joy and such escape from the world that is as dark as Joker. That like for me, like, you know, a Christian feels like that's where he wants to live. And that makes sense. Like it's a different spot. But I agree with you.

I agree with you what you're saying that in rewatchability and what's going to make you feel better, it's Deadpool. I'm just talking about an overall, like, if you look at it, I'm talking about when I'm thinking about my top 10 list of what I think more realistically, if it delivers in the way that I think it could, then Joker will probably be the one that if I look, what's the better film? I would say that Joker, too, probably has a shot at being the better film. now what has better rewatchability overall i don't think there's any doubt that it's going to be deadpool will bring there was so much without spoilers there's so much that really gave me a sense of pure i never thought this would happen in my life in deadpool and wolverine that it's going to be hard to top and and that's uh unique to me because i've been reading these comics since i was too and i've been loving these movies you know we've all loved these movies for 24

years. But in the year 2000, when X-Men came out, it was such a mind-blowing. How does this exist? They made the comic movie. And then I haven't felt like that as consistently because, you know, we have a lot of comic movies out now. There's like two or three a year. I felt that feeling again. And I didn't think I had that button left. I thought I'd broken it. I thought I pressed it enough that, you know, it was kind of gone. And this movie, Deadpool-Moverine gave me that they can, you guys, did you? And that's going to be hard to top for me. Yeah, I totally understand that. I'm very much looking forward to the second Joker film,

but it definitely feels like the difference between watching everything everywhere all at once and, you know, King Richard, like, where one, I'm like, that acting performance, it doesn't mean that the acting performance in everything everywhere weren't fantastic. Obviously, they were. It won multiple Oscars for it. But one had such that chaotic, silly energy in that kind of way that I get out of, at Deadpool that when I go in to watch Joker, I'm strictly in here to see what, you know, Phoenix and Gaga are going to do on like an acting scale.

It doesn't mean that the story's not going to be interesting. Doesn't mean that I'm not going to be into it. But I'm here more so to be like, hey, they act and they ass on. Look at them go. Yeah. And look, the other side of it doesn't necessarily, these things don't have to be compared, but that's just what we do. Overall, and I think that people will do that when it comes out.

But I think that this trade, inevitably, especially it's so few this year, sorry to drop. but like with less, you know, at the end of the year, a lot of years it's been like, okay, between these 19 comic properties, then it's like ranking, you know, lemons and oranges and apples in one bushel. But this year, with so few fruits, it's definitely a different situation where it's going to be Deadpool and Wolverine as two R-rated sequels that are less comic movies this year. And Winston's still on my citrus. He's a... Limison apples and oranges are so many things in a bushel. I just haven't had a problem with it.

I'm lacking but I'm seeing a scurvy with the comic films. Yeah, but overall I thought the trailer really, really worked. I thought it did. I thought it had a, it's had a good feel. And when you look at it, this movie, inside out, this movie, Deadpool, I don't think this big of me is going to hit billion. Everybody thought that potentially would. I don't think it's going to hit a billion.

I think you get close, but I think it already come out. Yeah, it's already like 600. I think it's like 600 million or something so far. Do you think Twisters will make it? No, no chance. I don't, I don't think, I mean, I think it's, I mean, I think it's, billion is a lot harder than people realize because it was just a fluke couple years where it was like everything's a billy but i think a billion is pretty crazy because up until those couple years it never

happened also movie ticket like prices obviously inflation and shit but uh i i do think that it's harder than people realize it's just we are on the internet so we're only talking about the ones that tend to hit it yeah and it also has to be a phenomenon movie like let's be really honest about this with the exception of like Jurassic world because what um top gun that absolutely like phenomenon. Barbie, a phenomenon Oppenheimer. I'm going to account it for a billion because it was just under that marker. Phenomenon. Like you, nothing has hit a billion

since we came out of the pandemic if it didn't have an exception with the exception of Jurassic World. Yeah. It had to be something that was so anticipated or so ridiculous. Mario movies. Yeah. Avatar. Like, you have to be in that realm to do it.

Yeah, I mean, it's... You didn't know it came out. So I don't think it's making it. Well, but look, I mean, yeah, and it's depends on how much you're, you're, you're, Like, you look at a movie like Inside Out, which I think is 120 when you make for budget-wise and when you make a billion four, it's a massive, massive hit. When you look at Super Mario probably seemed, if not cheaper to make that movie. Barbie in that same range, these movies that are costing less to make are making a billion dollars. I mean, shoot, even Oppenheimer came close to it, right? So when you have, and this movie, still, I think it's more expensive than the original Joker,

but it's still going to be, it's not, it's not in that range. I don't think, maybe it is. Maybe it was really expensive. I'm not, I'm not sure how much this one was. But no, it's not as, it's, but then you go to something like Fast and Furious, the last one, which costs like ridiculous, like, almost $400 million to make. And they're like, we made $800 million and lost money. So it's like, so stupid.

I think that's shifting in a big way. Yeah, it is. I think, you know, we're looking at how quiet the time. town is we're looking at how many people are at work i think uh that is one of the things we're we're we're gonna we're gonna see a contraction look we've already seen a contraction in our side but i think the movie budgets are gonna follow suit in an interesting way i just don't know how much it can because of people wanting more more more now now yeah i'm gonna make my my one anime reference for the show today i think that there is a the studios are starting to realize there is more

value at times to have a bunch like you said a bunch of smaller ones coming together as a whole to give you a great outcome like you would see and say a narwhis It's the whole village and Naruto coming together versus one superpower dude by himself. There is more to be gained from if you put out, Disney puts out five movies, if they all clear 800 on 150 budgets versus they put out two movies that they spent 300 and they barely clear a billion to get, you know what I mean? Like, I just think that's a smarter play. All right. Look, so here's the bottom line, guys. We are going to be recording because Koi's going to Comic Con this weekend.

And we had to, we're recording earlier because we want to make sure that we can. get to our Deadpool spoiler episode, which is going to air on Monday morning. So we're going to cut this off a little short here today. But there's other stories, obviously, that we wanted to get to. We couldn't get to today that we'll cover for next week. And I'm sure there's going to be a ton of stuff that comes out after Comic-Con. So we'll have a big episode kind of recapping everything going down. But I'd like to thank both Winston and Coy.

We'll start with Winston here. Winston, where can they find you? You can find me at The Swaggy Blurred on all platforms, but especially here on YouTube. At this point, I think most of my Marvel Fox University.