The Kristian Harloff Show - LOKI SEASON 2 EPISODE 1 SPOILER Review! | Big Thing | Capes And Cowls

Episode Date: October 6, 2023

PATREON: Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow  Loki Season 2 is here and it picked up right where it left off! Loki and Mobius are back at it again! Where is Sylvie? How did the events of He Who Remains pan out? Will the TVA return to prominence? We do a full SPOILER review of the episode. Besides that, we discuss the new The Boys Spinoff Generation V and if Coy dug it. James Gunn talks Superman Legacy and how will The Marvels fair in November if the SAG strike ends? WINSTON A. MARSHALL might be forced to face his fears and go to Halloween Horror Nights at Universal Studios. This and more on Big Thing Capes and Cowls with Kristian, Winston and Coy.

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It is Friday, baby, and we got Loki season two, episode one. Full spoiler. Full spoiler. We're going at it today. We'll have the discussion with myself, Winston, and Koi. So if you haven't seen episode one, I would recommend going back watching that first and then coming back and hanging out with us because we're going to talk about that. We're coming to talk about Superman. That's right, the new Superman with James Gunn.

He's got some art, some other things. There's some Marvel stuff. How's that movie going to do overall? What do we think? There's some other news potentially with it. There's some Werewolf by Night stuff. There's stuff inside of it. And it's about, I feel like this is the column before the storm.

We're on, we're right to me. I think next week we'll see the end of the strike. I think. Think. So if that's the case, I feel like the floodgates are about to be opened up with news on this show. So when we're doing Loki episode two next week, I think we're going to be bombarded with other. news. Well, we'll see. We'll see.

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Let's do it. Welcome back. Ladies and gentlemen, it is Capes and Cowles. Big thing. Myself, Coy, Gondro, Winston A. Marshall. We all open each other shots. Look at my shot.

All up in the shots. Here, you do that. Watch it. I'm going to make a real-time edit. Oh, yeah. You know what? I went to Winston. I need somebody to talk.

Oh, hey, always need somebody to talk. Guys, the thing about what's about to happen is the sag strike might be over as soon as Monday. They just met on Wednesday. They are having a little day to in-house talk Thursday. Going back negotiating Friday with a plan for hopeful final resolutions on Monday, which means I agree with Christian. This could be the last quiet-ish news day. We've already got people going back to work aggressively at the writer strike ending.

Not only do I see a lot of commercial breakdowns going out, but there's a lot of news with showrunners getting picked up. There's a lot of people getting back to work like James Gunn going to Atlanta and working on Superman. And we are all getting back in the action because Christian has set up the shots. Yay. Nice to have everything. That was good. I don't want to cover the news that we were about to cover. So I'm like trying to dance.

I just let go. I actually have eggshells. I actually have great news. Oh. So Winston doesn't think it's going to be great news. but I have great news. It's not great news. Uh-oh.

Who's our sponsor? You'll love this news. All right. So here's the deal. We are going to be making a heavy pushback into Patreon. Really soon. November, we're changing a bunch of things, and there's going to be a bunch of new details and new things on there that you can get. And we're going to really be interactive with the audience, and we're shooting the big goals.

And like I said, things are going to change the way, like all the different benefits. And I'm going to start out with this benefit of the goal. goal. When we hit 10,000 patrons, this is the big one. When we hit 10,000 patrons, Brett, who is deathly afraid of heights, is going to skydive. What? And we are going to put

it on the channel, and we'll put the full experience on Patreon and all that stuff, too. So that's a 10,000. I love it already. Now, again, the benefits and stuff will change, but it's about the goal to get there. Now, I was thinking that, what are the other goals?

We're going to come up with a bunch of other ones. There's one at 1,000, but the reason why we're doing it this month is because Winston does not like scary things. He's at his ice club. This whole ramp up. I don't know what it's about to be. I don't know what it's about to be. So for 1,000 patrons, Winston will be going to Hollywood Universal Horror Nights. And me and Koi will go with him.

At 1,000 patrons. Now, remember this, though. We'll definitely offer some other stuff past the deadline. But once we hit the end of the month, that is gone until next year. Now, I will say this. If we can get there by a thousand, then maybe, you know, it'll have to be next year. Winston will have a full year to prep to prep himself. But if we get to a thousand this month.

Do you like Chucky? Because the Chucky maze is pretty too great. He hates everything. Winston. We need a GoPro just like on a hat. When I brought this up to him, He goes, and I have no, he's not going to have a problem with it, and I don't have a problem saying it because then it's the whole reason why. He's like, you're going to have to pay me.

I said, I get it. That's honest. That's what the. I said, I said, I said, because last time I went to Natsbury Farm, I got kicked out for punching somebody. Nottsbury's like, the calmest. Not Sperry's like, like Halloween Heart Nights is terrified. I was told nobody would touch me. Somebody decided to touch me.

And you decided to touch him back. And so I uppercuted the absolute ever. loving out of him. And I got banned. Mortal Kombat at some poor day. I'm fully sure you can to dude in the jaw and they took me to the security office and they said sir, you can't. The funny thing is

is I found out that they have a policy that at a certain extent, they know that some people that's just how they respond to fear. Yeah. But when I tell you, I took this man off of the ground, I hit him so hard.

And so I just... It can't be any worse than Makuga, though. Man, Mukuga. It's the worst. The sounds that come out of him. But this is what I'm saying. So this is what we're going to be doing. We're going to be coming up with these goals.

And the first, the only reason that I was going to, I wasn't going to start setting these goals until November, because that's when we're changing all the tiers, and we're going to offer, like, this is a rare opportunity. We only have up until the end of this month until it ends. And then, like I said, Mike could probably get us tickets.

I'd probably get tickets from Universal. And if I have to buy them, I buy them. But Winston, agreed to do it. Amazing. But the thing is people got to sign up ASAP. Yeah, because I mean, that's what, three weeks? It's three weeks. So it's Patreon. And we're going to be really active on Patreon, though. Come in November, we've got a lot of things coming in November. So why is my blood pressure going on? Just in anticipation. You think it's going to happen. Do you think it's going to happen? I think it's going to, I mean, if I was a fan of this show, I'd want to see it.

We're only, we're only, we're going to triple. It's not only, it's not only that. Like, it's funny because I told you that I didn't see it. I just ignored your text. I was like, that's fucking stupid. And I just pretended like I didn't see it. And I got stuff about, I'm curious. For you, we got to figure stuff out. Like, Brett Sheridan skydiving in 10,000.

That's going to be, once we get past the 1,000, that's going to be like the heavy kind of drive towards it. Because I talked to, to be, and again, being up front, I talked to Frankie Alvarez, who's at the basement yard, And he's like, do, we do, like, incentives and we do things when we really get, I mean, because I want to get the highlight of like Schmowdown and Schmo's was like how connected we were with the fans on that side of the two. That made me keep doing it. They are here. They are here.

But, I mean, there's something about the Patreon in general where you're so connected to them. And as people ask, what about the website? You still do the website. Website's going to be for, like, just live stream only stuff, right? So, like, when it comes to, we do those live Q&As. I do one-on-one sessions with people. We do, like, these 15 minutes, one-on-one sessions with people. that's what the website is going to be.

If people want to sign up for that and if we do live events, we're going to do another comedy show. Blappers are you thinking? Yeah, yeah. So they're probably December. So if people want to watch that and if they're like, well, I'm in Detroit

and I can't watch it. They can watch it on the website. There's Patreon's a community again. And it's going to be a la carte on the website for stuff too. But the Patreon's going to be like exclusive. You'll be able to basically get capes and cows if we record these on Thursdays. So you'd be able to get capes and cows on Thursday.

And then on Friday, you know, people that are just on the channel will get it. And I'm going to basically, it'll force me to have to edit quicker, but I can also make sure that people are going to now get episodes in advance. We're going to have other things. There's going to be a lot of good benefits. I'm working with PLD on it. We're excited.

So, once again, if you guys want to see it, and you sign up today, it's the first thing he's in the description. It's the link, patreon.com slash the big thing show. And if we get to a thousand, Winston, A. Marshall, myself, Koi, and probably Brett because we're going to need a cameraman. We'll be going to Universal Horror Nights, and we'll probably have to put him in a straitjack. I cannot wait to see them before.

We should have to be before and after photo, like us walking in and like us walking out. It's just I want to get him in the car. Oh, I can't wait. I think to drive the park and like just him sitting in Jurassic Parking. Yeah, but it's not even that scary. You think it's horrible for him probably. Yeah, if he's not scary farms, not scary farms like kids can hang.

Right. Like I think it's scarier than. not scary farm by like an exponent. So therefore like if he's that afraid if he had duked a guy at a kid's park, I do think there's a fear for the Chucky kid running around. Fair enough. I also think like running

into Mike is going to be great because I saw Mike, I went to the preview night and Mike just like lurking outside the house. But the good news was also able to get you a drink and stuff there too. Very necessary. Yeah. I mean look. He looks so sad. He's already set. Dude, I'll get here's the one thing. There's only about 345

people on right now. Do I think we'll hit the thousand by October 31st. I don't think so, but I do think we'll hit it. And I think that if we make that a goal for maybe even next year, that if it goes past it, like, so, I mean, if that's one of the things, the same deal stands with you and I. So it's like if it hits a thousand, then you'll go next year. But if it gets to that beforehand, you go on this year.

Can we just go to like an elementary school haunted house? I'll tell you, the one of my daughters is pretty scary. You probably were scared. And then you went up taking out her kindergarten teacher. Yeah, unless that's got a children. fine and then she passes. She passed out. Kids got blackmail.

The rest for school career. All right. Anyway, so that was, that's kind of what we're doing there. Let's get it to the actual topic itself. Loki season one. Now you broke,

we should have you ever heard of 17 door? I'm going there on Sunday. They can electrocute you. They put like cockroaches over you. That's true. That's true. What are you talking about? That's true.

I would do that. I'm getting white. But you might leave white than me at Helen Hart. I'm going to leave like. You were that bored that you're going to let someone put a cockroach in your mouth. You know, the last guy that hosted Fear Factor is now the biggest media conglomerant in the world. So it worked for somebody.

Yeah, but he was getting paid for that. That's true. He was on the head of the eye. He wasn't doing it. You are paying. Oh, I'm not paying. Someone to put a bug in your mouth. I got invited.

I'm not paying. Someone else is paying for you to have a bug in your mouth and you're not getting the money. That's true. That's real. I'm trying to think what it would be to, we got. Electricute it. I'm just curious. I want to see what it's like.

What is your biggest fear? Snakes? Usnics are okay Cockroaches freak me out I don't even know if it's a fear Yeah I feel like fear he's got I just wonder if I'd be able to follow you around For two days and you don't talk

That's my biggest fear Being mute I think it's my biggest fear No that's terrible For like two days we get to like you know A certain goal Like living in peace Yeah for like two days we follow you around

And like you couldn't Like there's only so many words you could say per day That's a gift to everyone You'd have to like book out You wouldn't be able to go to this list Yeah all right we'll think about that's so That's terrifying Let's talk about Loki.

All right. Loki season two, man. Episode 1. All right, so I'll give you the, I'm not going to obviously spoil 1 through 4. We'll spoil 1, but I'm not going to spoil 1 through 4. All I will say is on my actual review, and Winston and I, I think, are on the same page. Episode 1, really good, good setup, good continuation of where we're at. Some things I was confused about, but I'm sure I won't be by the end of this episode with you guys.

And then episode 2, I did not like at all. I think it's a bash you over the head with sponsorship. I wouldn't, that wasn't even my issue. That's a part. That's one part. There's some bad acting going on in it. There's some goofiness going on. And I was like, uh-oh, is this where we're going?

And then three and four, take four is one of the best episodes of TV I've seen in a long time. I agree. Yeah. I, obviously we're not going to get into that, but like the ending. I was like, this is all like get to watch. That's exactly how I felt. By the end of four, I was. on the edge of my seed going,

No, no, what? Because again, I won't spoil it. What's wild to me? I don't know about you, but I both laughed and gasped at the end of the same time. Because two things happened at the same time, and I'm like, wait, what? So we'll keep it at that.

I've only seen one for the audience. I'm reacting at Thrill Reject, so I haven't seen, I've honestly only seen one, but we're talking about just one. Just one. This is on part, for just one,

on par with the first season, which is my favorite Marvel TV show. Yeah, remember you said that. And I liked one a lot. I go back and forth with season one. I just think Loki stuck the landing a little bit more than Wanda Visions, therefore it's slightly ahead for me.

I get it. This continues right where that left off. Yeah. And it goes into the whole thing with Mobius, and they're like, he doesn't know him. And I didn't know. I thought it was really, actually really great in the fact that I thought we were going to be spending this time of like him going.

Yeah, but him going, all right, I got to figure out, oh, you remember you know me and this? They've got to reestablish this whole thing. And he's just, he's in the past. Yeah. He's far in the past that he's got no idea who the hell he is. And he's jumping back and forth. And the way that they piece it together, then he sees Sylvie, and he sees this.

And she's like, oh, there you are. And like all that, the way that they played that was fantastic. But what did you think, Winston? I mean, I thought it was really, really well done. I was, I spent the beginning of it being like you where I was like, do I not remember the first show? Like I remember the ending of season one. I guess we're in the middle of a spoiler thing anyway,

of Sylvie killing he remains. And then Loki showing back up and everybody being like, what the hell is going on? I think what made me laugh most of this episode, there is something very funny about Loki just being in pain. And a lot of that is up, is Tom Hiddleston just being a great actor. Where like every time.

Oh, you mean pain as far as him when he's when he's, every time he. ends up being ripped through time. Like he just, it's like that time when he's like, I've been falling for 20 minutes. And they use that same hair flipped.

I like that they continue. Like they don't make the same joke. They play on the joke. Yeah. I mean, the same thing that happened with like him ranting at Hulk and Hulk flipping him back and forth,

puny God. And he's just like, uh, yeah, yeah, he takes a beating. He is very, very good at getting his asswop,

which is funny because that really is like Loki in the comics. He will like do horrendous things. And he will get his asswold, but he's, a god so like you know he can withstand a lot of it but he still loses right right right so there is something specific about putting almost a humorous tint to the fact that like he can withstand all of this but it's making it funny like and what's sweet about funny and speaking about just what a great

addition to the show with kehug Juan as obi and he's so good in this role and it's so interesting that this is the role he gets like after his Oscar winning performance in everything everywhere He's in another multiversal. As somebody who only recently watched the Indiana Jones films for the first time, I was a thousand percent getting Kihui Kwan from Temple of Doom. The gadgets and like the playfulness.

I will say I don't remember which episode it is again, but there is a specific nod to Indiana Jones in Temple of Doom. There's one knot. It's also exactly the combination of his two characters from the Goonies and everything everywhere all at once. I feel like the Goonies meets everything everywhere is this character.

it's nostalgic, but it's new and exciting, and it's multiversal, and it's exposition heavy, but he's so charming and endearing that you're invested. And there's these lockoff shots where it's him talking, and there's all the tech behind him, and then it jump cuts to Loki, and there's two circles. And it's this really cool play on time being circular, where they've got these two different circles before them and behind them, and then

Loki jumps back in time, and then they have that element of the time and memories being planted. But it's all while there's circles as imagery, and I thought it was really clever that Justin and Aaron are playing with not just jump cuts and time and memory and displacement, but disorienting camera angles to make you feel like you're Loki, but you're so grounded in Kiki Kwan

that you don't mind. Without him, it wouldn't work as well. No, he really works. You say Kiki Kuan? I meant to, yeah, I did. It's Kiki Kuan. It's Kiki Koi Koi. That's what I was say. It's Kiki Kuan. It's Kiki Kuan, it's Koi Khoi Kuan. Sorry to that man. I do not know that man. I do not know that man. So he was, that scene in general, and I

love the way they played with time. And it was always, it's always a pet peeve of mine when they do time travel stuff and like something happens. And the other person doesn't remember it. And as he's talking, he's like, oh. Actually, that did happen. Yeah, as it's happening at the same time. I love that moment.

I was like, oh, I love the way they played with time in that particular one. And the way that the TVA is playing and the way that Obie has just been there forever. First visitor in 400 years. And the way that they play that throughout it, again, they just played really well. and they set it up and they I will say that I think that the best the chemistry just between Hittleston and

Wilson are just out of control this kind of detective story they're doing I will and it was one of the things that I mentioned one three and four really use humor in the way that I like humor in these things where it's like oh that's that character would say that

two seems like it's like oh we need to be funny right now this has to be funny right now and it's like That's not, see, that's not, I mean, I know. I'm just saying it's various problems. No, no, no, I feel you. And we'll get to two next week. That's not even my issue with two. We'll discuss it.

It's just very convoluted. Yeah, I mean, I just think it's a mixture of stuff. You're, you're, what ends up happening into is you are setting up so much stuff at the same time. And because you're dealing with time, it gets confusing as hell. Yeah. And it, it makes it unenjoyable to watch because you're trying to keep up. It's true. That, that was there also.

And a little, and it was there a little bit, me in this, but they explained it a little better when they when they see OB and they're talking about certain things, but it was that chemistry, coy that I love about them because they, what was so I think intriguing about the first one is that, yeah, it was this, it was this

time organization, but it was like it was a cop story with good cop bad cop. It was a detective story where Loki's stuck following Owen Wilson's character and I like that this season from what I've seen so far is Owen Wilson following Loki's character. So they have the same dynamic, but they've kind of inverted a lot of the power structure, but you still get that chemistry. And

it's a show where two people talking is the highlight. And that's how good the dialogue, how good the chemistry is. What I've been most impressed by is that not only did they keep all the strengths of season one, especially at that chemistry, but I think it's shot so much better than any other Marvel show. Like the cinematography and the production design, the product, I mean, I haven't seen the product placement episode that you described, but the way they've been able to make products feel lived in and worn, it's got that 70s aesthetic the first season did, but it

feels much more lived in. This feels like the TVA you can actually go to. And I feel like the way it's being shot, they've got long runners. they've got the action looks more like conscious instead of just rapidly edited. This season, I think, shows when you let a director have a parameter and then you let those directors do their strength within the parameter is much better than either the extreme of, say, Sam Ramey where it's a Sam Ramey project with some weird Marvel stuff thrown in there, or the opposite where it's a Marvel Studios property what we wasted a director on.

So I was really worried because I consider Justin Benson and Aaron More had two of the better a chore directors working, them leaving their weird artsy stuff. I was like, that's kind of a waste because they're good director. they got to do their weird artsy thing, but on a mass scale. And it feels like a combination instead of one power play struggling the other out.

I think that the true strength, and you'll see it more in these other episodes, but they're already kind of leaning into it is they are... What I think Marvel has done when they're at their best is to genuinely have a discussion about things.

Yes, it's superheroes, all that kind of stuff, but whether you're looking at Falcon and the Winter Soldier and the discussion of, of, you know, a black superhero. And the idea of, you know, you're not getting treated, black Captain America is not getting treated the same way as White Captain America.

When you look at, like, Wanda Vision, and this, you know, the idea of, like, what grief will really do to you and things like that. The whole point of Selvey Kilving, he who remains, was this idea that everything is predetermined. You have the sacred timeline. It's all fate. You don't have any choice in the matter.

They have full free will, and they take every episode to just, to, like, explore. What does that mean? And the choices that you make now that you can do whatever you want, are you going to go on a whole new path? Do you stick with the one you got? Like what does that mean to truly have free will and how that affects your life? And I love what they're doing with it. And you get to see the beginning of it here in this first episode. Yeah. I was going to say, I do love the macro of the themes we've gotten so far because we also went beyond just Renslayer and the,

you know, Trinity that we discovered as, as, you know, mechanical. But we got to meet other, you know, like a judiciary branch versus legislative. Like it feels like a government. I really like that they're diving into like cause and effect and ramifications. And they did it right away in episode one. It's really quick. And already I love the world. I did love that scene where they're all kind of sitting around and the table.

And at the same time, Loki's popping back and forth from the future of those days. And how that played in that. So who's who's, who's our, we, so Renfellow obviously is not there. So who do we? So I'm trying to think, I always figured the numbers of the. So B-15 is, I do not remember the actress's name, but she's the black lady. That's the one that was mainly charging after the time. She's fantastic.

I think that everyone in this show, performance-wise, crushing it. There's only one person I have an issue with that I don't think should be in the show. And that's B-15's side person. The guy is kind of like, kind of walking like this. And she doesn't need help her. She should be by herself. She got this helper. And he's on the side.

And it's like, it's like someone's friend. He's just like. Do we meet him in episode one? Yeah, he's in episode one. And she's like, what do you got going on? He's like, oh, they're going to be over here. It's like, who is that guy? Why is he, why is he acting?

I'm sorry, he's so nondescript so far. Not Raphael Cassell, right? No. Because I love him. No, no, no, no. I'm really curious how he gets duplicitous. He's one of the TVA agents that, uh... Is he X5?

Yeah. All right, so he is, he actually, he's got a bigger role to play in general, but in this episode, he definitely, he kind of, he's the one who shows up and tells them. Yeah. Yeah. He's trying to get things moved faster. Because I think he's solid and I'm really curious how he becomes the Actor persona.

You'll definitely see. I'm with the audience right now. Yeah, you are. But like I said, I think that she's great, though. And just that arc in general of like, hey, we got to do the right thing here. We were all on the timeline. Don't you guys care? And it's like this, the way that they play inside of that, I agree with you.

Like the show, like the politics of it all and how they're struggling. They were in a very different place in season one of what they thought, their perception of everything. And I like the way that they played on that. And that's the other part that's so interesting. You can put it in any number of situations. But essentially, you're talking about a mass group of people that were kidnapped. You know what I mean? And whether you want to talk kidnapping, slavery, whatever it is, it's this, again, now that you have the free will argument, it's this idea of like, your whole life has been taken away from you.

Now what do you do? And that is ultimately what that political argument is at the table where it's like, well, we were in charge or whatever. It's like, who cares? You had this? You had this, and it's so interesting to see how each of them then approaches it going forward. It's so hard because watching them all like that, I sometimes will blend episodes together. So I'm trying very, very carefully not to say anything in particular. That's why I'm doing four days between.

How did that episode one end? Right after that incredible spacewalk cosmic scene where, like, Loki basically jettison's back and lands on him. And then basically they like look up. Right. Because they need Mobius to go out and do it. And it was like, he doesn't have enough time and he presses the red butt. and then he gets, it's literally that's the last sequence. That's it. It's not...

Well, there's a post-credit scene. Yeah, yeah, there's a brief of McDonald's briefly. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. But that's the end. Okay, got it, got it. That's what I'm just trying to... Storyline A ends with the cosmic. Storyline B ends with her discovery.

Okay, I'm just trying to... She's not working there yet. We know that from the trailers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did a reaction to episode one, and I shut off everything and said, oh, I wonder if there's a post-credit scene, and there was. It was her everything back out. Yeah, and I didn't do it.

I don't do that. I mean, I know some people do that. If I miss it the first time, I miss it. Yeah, there's one for GenVie and we missed it. And we just like, it is like, it is. Oh, my God, I love it, too. We should actually talk about that also. I can tell you.

Yeah, we should talk about that too. I haven't seen it yet. But I've seen the first four, but I can do it like you guys just did. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Is it four out right now? I think three are out.

Three are out right now. But I've seen, yeah. And what I've seen, I mean, if you want me to. We'll do it in a second. Yeah, because we are going to get into, I want to talk about GenVee, because people have been asking if we've seen it because we're all like massive The Boys fans here. So it's funny.

I haven't been craving to watch it, but everyone says it's good. Yeah, let me get to it. So anything else as far as Loki goes because episode two, that is the tougher thing with seeing four of them because normally what we would do is, well, what do you think's going to happen, you know?

Oh, I guess just in general, the loom. It is an interesting concept as to that's why the sacred timeline has been what it is, is that the loom has been in place the entire time. I also thought it was- Explain that to people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So one of the things that they,

that ends up happening at one point, because Loki's trying to explain to everybody in the TVA, like what's going on, is that, no, it wasn't the timekeepers, because they were like, we have this, right, and head on our desk. Right. It's like, it's this guy.

And they take, you know, one of the pruning sticks, and you can see it was all the Kangs sitting there, and them trying to piece that together and figure that out. So the idea essentially is that, you know, he who remains put this loom on the sacred timeline. And that's essentially what's happening is as they're pruning those branches, it gets funneled into one device that keeps it as just one timeline all the way through. So all of these stop at the loom and then get cut off, which again, it gets explored more what the loom truly does in the third episode. So I don't want to get too far into that. But the fact that Obie essentially was kind of like, yes, this is what regulates everything and it's overloading.

And we can't, that's what the last bit of that episode is, is if we don't stop this now, it's going to destroy everything. And then Loki's trying to untether himself from all time because that's the only way to unstick himself back in the present. And I'm curious, we all kind of assumed looking at this that the time stuckness was kind of like Spider-Verge, right? Like the glitch. And I'm really curious because it does look like the live-action version of that glitch, how much by the time. I haven't seen more than one, but how much by the time we get into things, whether those ideas and concepts parallel, because we have seen two Spider-verse films where that glitching does kind of tie into things

and how they'll translate that in the live action. I can say... I don't say anything. I can say nothing. Yeah, we'll find out together, audience. You should. I'm so excited. I love...

Episode one, I'm deeply in love. Yeah, so it was... What I will tell people is this, and I hope... I hope that myself and Winston are wrong. I hope that you guys love episode two. I really do. What I will say is if you feel the same way that we do, stick with it. Don't bail on it.

Like go to three and four because they're fantastic. If episode two messes with you, remember the Cowboys got their asses whooped in week three and then week four, we came back and crushed Bill Belichick. You just got to remember sometimes you have an off week. It's true. I'm telling you, though, because I watched one. I was like, I was a good. We're back in it.

And then after two, I'm like, maybe I got fooled. Maybe we're just kind of doing the same thing we're doing all these Marvel shows. Because I was like, I didn't, they did not like to at all. And then when three, and I was still coming out of it with three, when three pops in, I'm like, I'm like, okay, all right. And then I realized how much I'd like three, but four is, I was, if anybody would walk into my office at four, but get out. I'm like, I'm so, I'm so, four, I was so locked in. Okay, so, I mean, one of the things that I will say, there is some really, really great acting in episode two. And there's, there are moments where some of our main players get some one-on-one time.

And it's really, really well done. and that is the only like saving grace for me for that episode. But I, but yes, it is a very... I think I know what you're talking about. And I agree with you. I think from,

from now, if I'm remembering the right thing. But there's just so much in that episode that I was just like, ugh. It just, it played, as I said, there's some things that play goofy as where like,

you know the conversation? They did a couple times in the first episode with Mobius and Loki and they're having like just organic conversation, but it's funny because the two of them just know each other and they say certain things and they crack a couple of jokes. You're like, okay, yeah, but I don't, it's funny, but I don't think that they're like, okay, you say something funny. None of it felt scripted. No, to me, there's a lot of those moments in two.

I'm glad to hear that three and four improve those. If I felt disenfranchised by two, since I'm watching them separate. Three and four are fantastic. Three and four are some of the best Marvel television that we've had in quite a while. I love that this is coming off of Guardians. Like, to me, we talked a while ago about how Guardians wasn't really going to be the, like, okay, phase five started now. It's really the end of phase three for us and how, like, we really won't know until the Marvel

but looking at, you know, the Chepec era versus the Iger era, it is going to be curious because I don't work time on the marvels in a bit. Loki is this amazing, isolated thing. Like, I love that. It feels like Justin and Aaron got to make something over here that ties into Loki, which was beautiful from Phase 3, but I really think it's going to rest on the Marvels, Captain America 4. Like, I still think Marvel's in a tricky spot until we get back in Momentum Land.

Because Guardians and Loki, great, but they do feel separate. Yeah, totally. All right. Before we scoot on, I want to tell you guys a little bit more about it. So let me ask you both, because I know you both, doing the AG1 a lot lately. They're just so good, man. For me, it's like I have made it.

You guys have both have routines. You do the same thing. Do you do the morning for AG1 or like when you wake up? I do a cup of ice water and then a cup of coffee and then a cup of AG1. So I have a three drink thing in the morning and it's the third. Winston, what do you know? How do you normally do the same thing? Age 1 for me is what I take before I go work out.

It's like it gives me that little shot in the arm. All right. So for me, I'm first thing in the morning and I love. but I put it in my, I have like this zoo cup that I got when I was on some trip. And I, every morning I do it. I don't do all the vitamins, like 75 different vitamins. I do it one shot. Put it in the thing.

And I still have time for coffee. And I'm the same as coy. If I drink too much coffee, I'm bouncing off the roof. But I get enough energy with AG1. Right up top, I get better. Gut health. I have a boost to energy. I love it.

My immune system feels better. My sleep quality is great because of it. And trust me, with kids, you need it. And like I said, I just have never done the supplement stuff. I've tried it. I just can't do it. There's just too many things. It's like you just put it in the cup and it's fantastic.

I also get those, the packets. Oh, yeah, I keep the packets in the car. If I'm like run down mid afternoon, like that slump in you're out. I did it for our live show at Flappers. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I was just because I was tired. And at that time, I think I missed it in the morning. And I was driving.

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That's drinkag1.com slash big thing. And so I do it every single week. I love it. It's fantastic. And if you haven't tried it, I know that I get people trying it all the time. And when I tell people, oh, you're going to love this particular thing and you can help out the show. You help us out if you do it, but you also get something good. This is one of the ones that I get all the time.

Hey, man, I just got AG1 and I love it. So thank you very much, Aegee 1. I appreciate it very much. The other thing I wanted to talk to you guys about is I don't know if you guys know about right now with Marine Layer. Have you tried Marine Layer? No. Oh, you're a love Marine League. Yeah.

It's this T-shirt and just clothing store in general. and they sent me a whole bunch of stuff. And I got like, I spent a lot of time on the website, too, but like they have like there's T-shirts and these, like the drawstring pants. I never thought that I could, I felt like, I'm too old for that stuff. It's got to be comfy, man. Super comfy, dude. The way that they have, but they have them, but they almost feel like kind of jeans,

but yet they're super soft. They're really, really good. And you can put them in the dryer. You can put them in the wash. They stay soft. It don't turn like. That's clutch because they would get the little beady balls. Oh, yeah.

It's really good. They have a ton of stuff. And they tell you, like, you know, it doesn't really matter. They have clothes for all occasions, whether you're going on a date, whether you're going to work, whether you're doing a show, whatever it might be. They have stuff for everything. I love Marine Layer. I really like their kind of laid-back style. But it's also, it just feels, I feel like an adult when I'm wearing.

Honestly, they're very soft, and you can watch them a million times over, as I said. And if you go to Marine Layer.com, And you use the code, Big Thing 15, you're going to get 15% off. You're going to get 15% off. If you go to MarineLayer.com, use that code, Big Thing 15. It is really, really amazing. I love it. And you've got to save your closet one shirt at a time.

Do it. I'm super excited to be working with them because they sent me a bunch of stuff. And I'm just like, woohoo. I'll check them out. A big and comfy clothes. As I get older, it's comfort. Yeah, that's good. Bro, that was the best part of the pandemic is doing.

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I think I'm jealous of them getting a mortgage. Yeah, that's not something I'm like, you know. I don't know what upsets me more. The idea of not being able to have a mortgage or having to go to Hollywood Horror Nights. I think that's my Hollywood Hauronite. A reminder. A thousand patrons by the end of this month.

Why did I say it out loud? You just brought it back in. That's a commercial break. I want to say, I'm so curious by the end of this show. I'm going to do a screenshot of before it starts. And then I'm going to send it to Winston. I'm about to go live. And I'm going to have it at whatever, or 340 or whatever we're at right now.

And then I'm going to look at the end of the day and see where we're at. It was like when we used to watch the subscription ticker, but it's just for him. You'll know where to panic, though. You'll know whether or not to panic. If by the end of the day we're at like, you know, 500, I would start panicking. Yeah, no, no. If it really sky rockets in a day. But if it doesn't move, then you'll be fine.

Yeah, because then you're just going to plug it every single, as you should, because I know, we all know why. And this is just an incentive program for people to be able to. Yeah, of course. Anyway. I'm excited. Yeah, me too. Gen V is, so it's a combination of like obviously Gen Z.

And compound V. It's a clever name. I am, now he's claiming an injury before we get in there. Look, man, all I know is there are certain angles. I can't have that. And I was like, do I just go real quick and just.

Sacrificial. Well, the problem for you is that now the way we've set this up is that you're going to have to do it next year. Your leg will be fine. Yeah. And worst case scenario. Yeah. So, all right.

Go ahead. So GenVee, I wasn't watching the trailers because this was one of those things where I trust Eric Kripki. I love the boys. I think we all love the boys. You watched it more recently. And we knew you'd love it.

And now you're like with us. I love it. My issue was since I did trust them. So clearly I was a little worried about more about the spinoff nature. Like would it be essential? Would it be something you need to catch up on? It does a really masterful dance where it references up to season three's ending. You need to have watched it.

So it doesn't ignore that it doesn't ignore the world. But it's not something that I feel like you won't enjoy if you haven't watched it. if you're like a younger audience. It'll make you want to watch it. Yes. And it's very much a, where the boys satirizes pop culture and superhero lore and capitalism and all the things that it does so well.

This does that, but from a Gen Z almost, and this is a compliment, but it sounds like an insult. It's hitting the CW stuff as much as the other stuff hits the comic book stuff. So it's shot in a really fun way where it's satirizing subtly, more high school and college CW era. but the conflicts are really fascinating.

I adore it. Okay, because I didn't love the trailers. I didn't watch them because I knew I'd watch it because it's Eric Kripke and it's the boys. But my concern had been whether or not these characters be as investing because I love the comics. And what the comics do so well is like,

you're reading a comic, have you read any of the boys? No. Okay, so the boys does this thing like saga does where you flip a page and all of a sudden you've got like five new characters and it makes you love them before you turn the page or hate them.

Like, it's really good at grabbing you. So I was worried that this wouldn't have the seven and I'd be like, who are these people? Right. It does a really cool thing where it's almost like the X-Men and this is like X-Factor versus the main X-Men.

Okay. And these characters are more our eyeline and they subvert expectations because everyone sucks, no one sucks, and they play with who you're liking and hating. And the first episode has more twists and turns than season one.

Like, it ends in a way, you're like, oh, they did season three stuff. Okay. So it's really captivating. It's brutal. It's probably more graphic sexually and violence. That's what I saw, though. But see, I saw that in the trailer

and I was like, oh, because that was such a, season three, in the beginning of season three, there's that crazy moment, the Ant Man moment. And when that moment happened, I was like, what in the world, right? It's crazy. Unexpected. And then

they shows us some kind of moment like that in the trailer of this. And I'm like, come on, we're doing this again. But I was going to say that this fits the tone more because it's more like a sex comedy. Like, think about like American Pie and Van Wilden and stuff. That's this target. And in college, you're making some bold choices. Listen, I trust

I trust your opinion when it comes to it. really good. Okay. I'm going to watch it also because I do like the creators. I do have a bunch of people that I know that actually worked on it and I'm going to check it out. I mean, I get tweets about it and people say, have you haven't even talked about it yet? You haven't

really, like I said, people, Ed Harrell was a major fan of ours and he's such a great contributor to every, he always retweeted everything. Yeah, we're going to see it in New York and all the time. And he's like, what did you think? Here's the trailer and I'm just like, eh. But the show is better. I mean,

I didn't see the trailer, but the show is better than the sum of my expectations because I was afraid it skewing younger would feel sophomore. But it feels like it's playing with those things like that was my fear. Yeah, that was my fear. But, you know, I will say, and I totally understand the concern. I mean, I have stopped letting something like that bother me, especially when I think of stuff like Miss Marvel, where that was a massive concern that this is this is geared towards 15-year-old. This is not geared for overall audiences. and while it may have still been pointed at 15, it worked perfectly fine.

I feel that because, but I think the difference with that also is as endearing as she was, and she's fantastic, was also that I could relate to the family side of it having kids, you know, so like that's where, because I've said it to you guys many times over it, both that show and Blue Beetle,

the superhero stuff, I could have left it. It was the family stuff that worked. It was the relationships and the way that they built up the characters and how endearing both Sholo and, what's it, Amani? Amon Valani. Amon Valani. Amon Valani and Shola were the best parts of both of those.

To that point, that is part of why, like, Loki works, for example. Again, we mentioned Wanda Vision earlier. It's understand that the sandbox you're playing in is a superhero sandbox, but the reason why people love Game of Thrones, because, like, personally, I hate medieval stuff. I've never cared. I don't care about dragons. I don't care about any of that.

But you gave me such a compelling political thriller. You gave me such a compelling, like, you know, backstabbing spy. Did you watch House of the Dragon? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I really liked it. I actually prefer House the Dragon. Me too. I was surprised.

But that's my whole point is that the story was so good. I didn't care what the setting was. So if you can do that, and that's what it sounds like GenV does a good job of doing, is that if you were making a statement, you just happen to do it inside of a superhero, then great. A superhero film, great, or show. And it attacks a lot of different issues because it attacks, like, cutting and more younger

skewing topics because that's the demo. So I really like that it's not just for young people, but it's stuff that young people are going to have closer relationships with. So I'd say the boys has become like a 25 to up, 25 and up show. And a lot of people under 25 don't care as much about politics as people that are older do. I would say this hits a beautiful 18 to 25 demo, but it's not like people in 30 and up aren't going to enjoy it.

And you think that they're going to cross over? Uh-huh. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying any spoilers, but I'm thinking the world, all it does is this beautiful tapestry that Marvel wants me doing. But they mention, they mentioned everybody. Like there are statues in the sevens reference and like, it's cool. I can't wait for you guys to see it because I want to talk about it. It's funny that you mentioned that because I was actually just thinking the other day,

and I don't want to be it too far off of GenV because that's what we're talking about. But you know how we've gone back and forth about the MCU and like what's missing, what's wrong right now? I thought about it. And by the time we got to where we are right now, we had already had an Avengers film. We have yet to have an all-encompassing film that kind of brings everything together. We've had moments where people show up. So like obviously Dr. Strange is in Spider-Man.

Let's see the math on that. So 2008 is when Tony's doing Iron Man. 8 to 12. 8 to 12 is 4 years. Yeah. And then 2019 was end game. 2019 was ending. It should have been 2020. So it's what we got WanderVision.

So it's been as long, but we've had four times. And a pandemic. And a pandemic. But we've had four times as much content. I think that's the issue. I think the volume of stuff more than the time. Because from Iron Man to Avengers, we'd had 10 properties. Well, the argument there also was that with all that much time, they should have had two events. That's what I'm saying. It's like the volume of stuff.

Because it's not only the number of properties, it's also like the shows are six hours or whatever. And the movies are two. Which are essentially movies. They're essentially one. to two movies. And so I was just thinking about that the other day and it was just like what the magic that is missing in my opinion, it's not that we're just so

like we all appreciated the superhero movies for what they were, but it always felt like it was actually building to something to relieve the pressure and then build it back up again. You got two Iron Man's, a Hulk, a Thor, a Captain America, and then you had an Avengers movie. You had another Iron Man,

another Captain America, a Guardians, but another Thor, And then you had an Avengers movie. Right. So they introduced one or two new. And then they'd come back. And they wouldn't introduce 20 new.

Right. And I think you're right about the timing too. So that's kind of the issue that I'm thinking about. Sure, you've had like teams. So you had the, you know, Eternals and you had guardians. But you're, you are not relieving the pressure of this is building to something.

And I think that ultimately is what is dragging this whole thing right now is, if you look at the pacing of a TV show, if you spend all this time building up the big bad, but you don't actually get to the big bad, you're bored. So the idea of like, no, no,

no, you're not getting another Revengers film into the end of like five slash six, and that's when that'll happen. That doesn't work. And honestly, that just got delayed again. So it's what,

2027 now, 20206, 2027? So we were talking like a nine-year run. And I think my issue is the highs, I think, are as high, sometimes higher,

in phase four and five. I would argue Guardians 3 is some of the best we've ever had. I would say No Way Home is some of the best we've ever had. I'd say Loki is some of this. But the lows are lower. I would put personally, now that I've had time to settle on it, I think Love and Thunder and Dr. Stranger lower for me than even how I felt about Dark World at the time. So therefore, I think the mountain is a trickier thing to climb because you're like,

this is great. This is awful. This is great. And because we've gotten used to it, the bar is higher. So I think without the Avengers, we really can't rest on that mountaintop. We're going to see, and I guess that kind of leads us in. Before we get into our next topic, we're just going to do two more. We're going to do the DC gun one.

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I thought it was going to be over by today. I thought Friday. Friday, which is today by airing. but not on Patreon. If you go on a Patreon, if you get to a thousand, eventually you'll be able to get this on Thursday. The kind of way, it was so good.

I saw, it was a three-step thing. I saw you say it, and then I saw you go, wait a second. And then as soon as the light bulb was lit, imaginarily, button, point, and it all. So I'm just going to be, like, upset,

like three or four times an episode for a month, huh? Cool. Would it be great? You know it would be amazing if I'm like, October 28th. We're doing the show, whatever it is. And it's like, 998. And we've got to go the next day.

We're just checking. It's on the live ticket as we're doing it. And then it's just like, and then I've got to make like a really quick phone call to Mike to get us there like the next day. Can we go to, because you know the 31st is sold out yesterday. Hilarious. But yeah, let's go the 28th. All right.

So the strike itself, we all thought it was going to be over by Friday. Yeah. Now the new report is that they're negotiating on Friday into the weekend. And then SAG put out a memo that said they're going in on Monday. Yes. I think that means that we'll midweek next Wednesday to maybe even next Friday, we've come to a deal. I still don't think we're going back to work until like November 1st. I think that's going to be where we look.

And that allows us then to start promoting stuff, though, for for this movie. But go ahead. I would say the only thing that goes back to work. I don't think any productions go back to work. But I think the only thing would be press would start immediately. I think that that is teed up and I think that if that deal solidifies because we

two things would have to happen because it's the same thing that happened with the WGA. The WGA felt so good about the deal and obviously needed to be ratified by the members that they called the strikeoff. They said we're officially recommending that you do it and we're calling the strike off at this point and we'll still vote to ratify. If the deal looks that good,

SAG will probably do something similar and you might see a situation where they're like, we got good terms the next day saying we're going to call a strike off in the next day. and then we'll ratify down the line. So I do see that that would happen instantly because the studios know you got in the can right now, you have to get people on the road right now. Especially this movie.

This movie needs it. And the trio, like their press darlings. Like this is the fun of this movie. Well, but it's also the selling point of the film is the chemistry between the three of them. Like you've got to show that that's like, and not that any one of them would, but no matter what, you're like,

let's say that these are three actors who had notorious bad behavior, which none of them do. But if let's say that they did, you better believe they'd be like, this banks on your relationship. I don't care if you like them or not, you pretend that you do. And again, being very clear that they probably love each other and everything too, and it's going to, but I'm just saying no matter what it is, this is how important this is. This is like, this is going to really try to sell the movie between you've got different generations. you've got so many different walks of life inside of that room with three different women and what they're going to be doing inside of this.

It's all, I think it's going to play as a comedy. I'm going to tell you, I can't remember who it was, and it might have been one of you guys, I'm not sure. Maybe it wasn't, but they were talking about this movie, and what this movie, I think, I think they're really going to go for the Barbie audience on this. It was you, okay. So I think they're going for the Barbie audience.

I think that they... Just a post smart move. There's been reshoots. You know, there's been these things. There's been a lot of reports. I think they're going to say, F it, we know the kind of blowback we'll get because it's not, we're not going to go after the,

because they're not going to go after the Marvel, like the hardcore Marvel fan. Not to say that women aren't hardcore Marvel fans, but they're going to go after, they're going to try to get that casual view. If they want to make a lot of money, they got to go after that casual view. When you see, because it was because we were talking,

because we were talking, because the thing I was mentioning is just how this really was a women in media summer, period. Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Barbie. All three of those fully dominated. Oppenheimer. I'm just kidding. Florence Pew on every poster.

Oh, gosh. She got for no reason they went after her. Anyway, go ahead. But when you talk about how much money Barbie pulled in, when you talk about how Taylor Swift and Beyonce changed GDPs, like at what point would you not see women go, hell yeah.

And like you said, you were talking about a white woman, a black woman, and a brown woman all together. Like, you're literally combining three different cultures, three different types of women. You mentioned all three different generations. Like, as far as what the characters are playing, it looks like on paper a recipe for success. And that's probably why they're going to push that. It's imperative that they need the three of them to promote. They need to press search.

Like, I don't think a lot of people realize the next. November there's a Marvel movie coming out. Not only they need for the characters, but I think people need the awareness of this film. Because they haven't able to put the full machine behind it, and that's part of the machine. I don't think that it's a, I mean, if they can capture, if they can capture that Barbie audience and in the same way, because one of the things that they are facing with a casual audience is that superhero fatigue right now is a real thing. Back in the day, I used to be more so of like, come on, it's a genre, it's a genre. a lot of genres get tired after a while. And the casual viewer,

we're going to see everything. A lot of people who are watching this show, they're going to see most things. Gangster films, Westerns, things have ebb and float. I think that's fair to say. And I think the mediocrity fatigue we've talked about a lot.

And I do think we're, I think we're like 70% mediocrity fatigue, 30% superior fatigue. I will say it's slightly more on that side because of how well guardians did. You're talking about me and you and him. I'm saying even casual audience goers. If they hear it's good, they go.

Maybe so, but I mean, maybe so. But it's like, right now, as far as cinema goes with the casual viewer, we're at a place where it's like, I know the superhero movie. I mean, I talk to people about this. I brought up this whole thing about when I bring up the flash of it all. But the reason, like, what about Guardians? Guardians is because it was so good. Yeah, but it was also coming off of two other successful Guardians movies. So this is a third inside of a franchise.

What is a brand new movie? Like a Blue Beetle, right? Blue Beetle is kind of brand new and pretty good, not great, but pretty good. Most people were saying, like you said, good movie. Casual audiences didn't give a shit about it. They didn't go, but it had like, you know, the legs weren't great, but they weren't awful. It didn't drop like, chazam-did. You needed some press.

D.C. had left a horrible taste in everybody's mouth. Blue Beetle is a character that unless you're a comic book fan, you had no idea who he was. True. Like, you needed the press. And I think the two things working for and against Captain Marvel or the Marvel's is because Captain Marvel, people kind of look at it and they're kind of like, eh. And because you had the dudes that were like,

how damn, Braloson. And so, like, you already, I think that is part of the reason why you push to get the Barbie audience. You already have people that are, that want to see Brie Larson fail at this regardless.

So they're already gunning for that. If you, again, tap into a massive group of women that, like, have just been enjoying an incredible display of them just in, in media. It's a great strategy. It's a great strategy. If it works,

then it's going to be to the moon type stuff. But the question is, because Barbie, you could see in general why, and it also mother daughter story. It had a lot of different things inside of it. That really, really worked. Just worked. Will this

movie had that? I don't know. I don't know if it will. It's a good strategy. I just don't know if it's going to work. But let's switch over to the last topic of the day, and I want to talk about this James Gunn thing. This is from Comicbook.com. DC Studios James Gun Reveal Superman Covers

Decorating Superman Legacy Office. Superman Legacy director James Gun revealed a Manistale Makeover of DC's offices on social media the filmmaker posted images of their new wall art

in the offices. Gunn showcased some art of action comics number one and a host of others. There's some other favorites like Superman 233, kryptonite chains, and all-star Superman,

a major influence for Superman Legacy. For fans who really love the man at tomorrow, there's a veritable For fans who really love the man of tomorrow, there's a veritable

treasure trove of references that you can pull from these iconic titles with this movie. All-Star Superman is one of the titles that has people most excited about the movie. While Grant Morrison and Frank Whiteley's work have already been adapted into excellent animated feature by DC,

this live-action movie would represent an entirely different step. When audiences think of Clark Cannon Superman, they honestly reflect on the goodness and the heart of the character. It feels like all-star Superman is one of the great modern stories that drills to the heart

of who the hero is and why the icon has endured it over all these ears. So this, I guess that's... The art that really jumped out to me as I was trying to analyze and pull storylines and ideas that might come from it because, I mean, there's the Supergirl

Woman of Tomorrow, which we know they're adapting, but including that in a medley of Superman, has me hoping they introduce her this Cal L's cousin in this. storyline in this movie. There's also some multiversal stuff.

I don't think they're going to go there, but it's interesting to see a few of those storylines. There's also the new 52's newest relaunch, which is the brand new DC universe, which had a number one. I think they're on issue five now. So they just re-bought in the Superman title five months ago, and it's really solid and consistent.

So it's great to see that up there. I liked seeing some of the classic runs down near the bottom. There's, like they said, the kryptonite chains. There's a lot of first, and there's also a lot of iconic stories. So just seeing crypto. Like we know that James Gun is going to have crypto, but like which crypto? What do you think the story is going to be?

I wanted to ask you. I think it's going to be a man of two world story. I think that what James Gunn does incredibly well is he does underdogs that are finding family. When I think James Gunn, I think of a man finding his family because I think that's what James Gunn is. If you look at James Gunn's friends, he's gathered this incredible group of nerds in real life and he's made a family of his cast members. A lot of people get mad at James Gunn for casting his friends,

but if I could, I would cast and hang out with my friends every day because you want your found family. So James Gunn does a really good job at making underdogs, which he is, and his found family stories, which he's lived through, translate to everyone. So I would personally have a Superman that is working at the Daily Planet and the found family of Jimmy and Lois and Perry as one, and then also his found family of Mon Pa Kent,

but also how that relates to the Justice League. So what you have is a man dealing with being two things and what the difference is in taking off the glasses. I think the reason we're meeting Mr. Triffick and the reason we're meeting, you know, Hawk Girl and all these characters is to show what Superman's family is versus what Clark Kent's family is. So I think it's going to be a duality of man's story. Huh. Interesting. I agree with that. There's a part of me that feels because you're talking about the whole underdog situation. and I know a lot of Clark's main thing is like trying to make sure he keeps his powers in check. I could see at a situation where he shows up in Metropolis and Superman uses a little bit too much strength. And a fight he gets into ends up messing stuff up and the Justice League don't mess with him.

And so like you have a situation where like probably Jimmy is like really like, no, no, no, he's a good dude. And I think Lois is like, I don't know, I'm going to get to the bottom of this. and Clark's trying to just balance the whole idea of that family with, you know, trying to be Superman and what that means. Because especially if you're talking about legacy, it's the idea of what does the legacy of Superman mean. I can see a threat coming in that guy can't handle, that terrific can handle, and the only one that can is Clark. And so having to marry that where people are having to understand that he isn't a bad dude and he's just trying to find his way. I don't think our ideas are mutually exclusive. I think there's definitely an element of like how you get welcomed in.

into family. And I think that's going to be the Justice League element. So I think we're on the same page there. I don't know if it's going to be like Superman on the outside and we don't trust him. It could be. But I do think there's going to be an element of the Justice League is formed. Superman is the one able to take someone out how Superman folds into this new family. But I think

the family dynamic is why Clark at the Daily Planet so important. And I think that Justice League is going to represent the new family. Over under that peacemaker shows up trash talking Superman at one over under what? I guess you have to the table 500

over under the table percentage you mean what are you uh over just over I guess I mean the only thing to remind you there is

about 1,000 patrons it was such a key ingredient that I was like I don't know how to respond over over I'm gonna take over he's scared out of his mind already I'm so

I love the dread that might happen every like time we record this show. That's why he's talking about over or under. It's the fifth. We've got filming on the 12th, the 19th, and the 26th, conceptually. Yeah, we've never wanted to book a

commercial more. I'm just saying we have literally what if everybody that, what if what if I tomorrow, I'm like, hey, Winston. Sorry, bro. We're going mid-month. We're at 999 by the end of this show. At this point, it's for us. Like, at this point, I was just excited about filming. We should not tell them the number

until the third week. It's the truth. All right. Guys, I want to thank you for joining us here today. I really appreciate it. Let me know your thoughts on both the Loki season, on the Superman stuff, on whatever you think that we've talked about thus far. I'd love to get your thoughts. Coy, where can I find you? You find me on TikTok, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, all at Coy Johnro. And what is the over under and these guys watching Jin V before next week?

Over. I think it's over. Winston, where can they find? You find me in the swagger blurred on the social media. With my door locked. I guess we don't see him again. We kept bringing up to hunger. Winston, we made it.

There's a Law & Order Sports Victims Unit. It's game time on John Roker's channel. Great plugs. You have a good day. He's going to have so many TikTok clipouts of his horror nights experience. That's inevitable at this point. You're going to be okay, Winston. All right.

Thank you guys so much for joining us. I appreciate you. Thank you to Winston and Coy for being here. If you haven't already hit that button, do it. Let the English so you do it. All right. See you later. Bye.

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