The Kristian Harloff Show - Loki Season 2 Episode 2 SPOILER Review | Momoa as Lobo? | Aquaman 2 testing poorly

Episode Date: October 13, 2023

PATREON: Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow Loki Season 2 just dropped episode 2 and how was it? Better than first? Not as good? Does it begin to connect the dots? We do a full SPOILER breakdown of the latest MCU show starring Tom Hiddelston. We also cover the latest with the Aquaman 2 drama. The he said she said with Amber Heard and the studio, accusations of Jason Momoa being drunk on set and dressing like Johnny Depp. Speaking of Momoa, he is also heavily rumored to be playing Lobo in the new DCU. This and much more on Capes and Cowls with Kristian Harloff, Winston A. Marshall and Coy Jandreau. #marvel #MCU #loki #reaction #review #DC #DCU #jasonmomoa #amberheard #lobo #aquaman

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very well thus far. I'm so curious. We already know from last week. And don't worry, Winston and I are going to just keep it to episode two. Everybody was so upset that we were even hinting at three and four, and I get it. But we're going to do episode two here. I'm so curious to see if Koi was on the same page because Winston and I didn't love it. But I guess I can't say if I really enjoy three and four.

Because it did. But we got other stuff going on. Loki. That's right. Loki. Loki. Loki. What's it going to mean? How's it going to play into the MCU? How is it going to get better? Was it great? All that. Sticking with the L's. Lobo. Jason Momoa. Yeah, you heard of him. Well, it looks like none of the DCEU characters are coming back. That seems to, we'll get to that variety thing in a second. But that seems to be the case. None of the big players minus the ones that we talked about and none of the major players are coming back. the news is that Jason Mamoa is already testing for Lobo, is already going in and you got an offer, rather, for a lobo. That's crazy talk, is it, or not? Speaking of which, Jason Mamoa was accused of being drunk on the set. By who? Amber Heard.

So take that for what it's worth. And Amber Heard, by the way, also was almost fired. And then the owner of X called up and said, fire my then girlfriend. And everything was okay for her. It seems like. So we'll talk about all that and more on this show today, Caps and Cows.

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It's Caps and Cows, baby. Let's do it. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Big thing. Capes and Cowles. It's myself. Coy, Jondro, Winston, A. Marshall. So clean.

We have all this to talk about, guys. A lot going on. And there's a couple updates, too, from last week. Like, we had talked about, that's right. Winston's sitting himself up. Winston, Winston and I have things to discuss. last week, if you guys watched, Winston and I talked,

and I presented to him and said to him, hey, Winston, I have an idea. How would you feel about doing the universal horanites? And he said, lovingly, hell no. To which I said, what, if we did it a Patreon for a certain amount of patrons, and he said, well, you'd have to pay me. Which I said, fair. I came up with a price.

To which he said, no. That price, I was about to be like, you thought you saw a WGA strike and a sag strike. They're about to be a Winston strike outside Christian's house. It wasn't that bad. I was like, no, I got the picket signs. I don't learn to walk again. Right, but then, to then Winston then countered, to which I said, fair. To then Winston said, shit.

Negotiations, trauma. So we did that in that conversation. And to counter, again, just very quick, there was a comment, I mentioned the other day, to where a guy I had mentioned, and he had been in a position in his work, and I felt very bad for him. I felt really bad for him. My heart kind of broke for him. He said he was bullied in his workplace. To me, bullying is one if I would, again, say to Winston, okay, look, we're going for these thousands patrons. And if you don't do this, A, you're not on this channel anymore.

You're not my friend. I'm paying you what I pay you here, and you should do it. And if you don't, and you didn't slap me in the face on something like that, then I didn't. on that, it would have been a situation where like... You'd say this guy isn't my friend. You just, you just would come out here and like, your cameras are gone and

your computers gone. To which I would say. And then all of a sudden, like, you're like, man, so you got so mad you went into a full-blown stereotype. And I was like, yeah. Right. But listen, to which I then would say, understood. Because and I think people don't also understand how

you and I have become very close over the last like three years, too. So it's like, I, it was, and There's a lot of other things too, and I get it. I understand where the guy was coming from. And he also said, well, what do you do something? I got something cooking myself, too. Now, it's not, it's, it's, you'll hear about it. I'm gonna tell you in a second.

I am very fascinated. And I don't know if it's, it was in that email. I don't know if you read the whole email. I maybe wasn't paying enough attention. We blasted a whole email. Yes, I did. Did I get this email? No, me?

I don't know. I got it. I got it because I wanted to read capes and cows, the, the comic. And so POD sent me a membership just since I work here. No, what he meant to say is he's a member on the patron. A paid member of the Patreon. So people don't know what the hell is going on if you're just tuning into this for the first time. So Winston, when we hit 1,000 patrons, Winston will be going to Universal Horror Nights.

Now, if we hit it this month, then we'll be getting Winston there this month. however if we don't hit it this month then Winston will go next year now there's other things that we've already kind of added into it too now there's things of bringing back the rewatches there's at a certain level we'll be able to do basically at I don't remember how many was I think it was like 700 800 it's all on the list but we will bring back basically let's say it's a rewatch with you let's you and I for one one thing and we watch it and it's like and it's the cut down with the footage

that will air on this channel and then the raw footage the full watch long will be on patreon all right so one of the benefits from for me i think once well we'll start with the with the 1500 which is a fun when brett came up with this the other day at 1500 brett and i will go and sit front row at a corey felbin concert and we will record the whole thing and i will try to get backstage passes as much as you know maybe i don't understand it's like because i know obviously he used to act he he's He's a musician now. Have you never seen the Corey Feldman footage?

Corey Feldman is a delight. But his music stylings is very specifically to Corey Feld. Yeah. You should watch, just watch the UAP episode we did the other day. And I put actually the footage from it. Wicked, nice guy, very well-spoken, very nice. It's an interesting concert. Music is a different thing.

And look, I could come out being a major fan. Convert, who knows? But nonetheless, we got that. And then the major goals, there's one at 5,000, where I will bleach blonde my hair like Ken and get a spray tan. like Ken from Barbie. I respect that. I don't know how long I'll keep it for.

I feel like if I'm going to have to do horror nights, it needs to be at least a week. Which is fair. That's fair. I think the only thing for me is it depends on when we're hit it when we hit it. Like if there's certainly. Holidays. No,

I don't mind the holiday photos more. It more is like if I get some kind of a gig or something. You know, and it's like if someone's like, if we somehow hit this at the end of the month, but if I'm booked out the only days we can go, then we have to push it. True.

You know what I mean? So like, that's just, That's just life. Right. But I think that's, it's a matter of if someone, if I have a, yeah,

I'm talking about how long I can keep it for. No, no, no, I understand what you're saying. I'm just saying like, you're right. Anything can happen.

But we will make it happen in general. But the 10,000 one is, it's, it's the golden ticket. Because we've changed it up a little bit. It was. Maybe I didn't read it. It was going to be Brett Sheridan skydiving.

Well, Brett Sheridan will no longer be skydiving. Oh. Zaflurton flouse will be. Oh, yes. In character, and I have a new tier that part of that came out yesterday, Jen Sturger is going to be in full character with flouse as Jessica, as his girlfriend, to which she said, not me, I didn't ask, you can see it on video, she says this.

She said, her outfit would be probably akin to dental floss is what she said. Skydive. No, she's not going to skydive. I was going to like this changes. She's just going to support her man. Jessica is going to go with flowers. Jessica and Denzel Floss skydiving Flows. Go back to the video yesterday.

Her words. Not mine. Nor did I ask. Check the receipts. Check the receipt. She said and she said that she's, you know, she's going to go full on character and they're going to be in character the whole time.

But again, that could be like a year from now, two years from now, three years from now. Who knows if we get to 10,000? So that's all. I'm alive. So, anyway, there's a lot, a lot going on on the Patreon. So, and we ready.

We picked up like 15 since last week. So, I mean, well, you know, for this taping, it was really Friday. Yeah, early. Yeah, so it's slowly but surely. Okay. Slowly but surely. All right. Let's get into this.

Loki episode two, man, it dropped, and we've all seen it. And I'm very curious. I'm going to have to start with Coy here, too, because the brief comments from Winston and I, if you watched last week, this episode scared me because I liked the first episode a lot and thought it was a great start. And then this episode to me started to signify everything that I've kind of had problems with Marvel in the most recent terms. The jokes were off. The sponsorship was obnoxious. There was so many different moments that I thought that the guy that was playing Brad, who I thought was good in the first episode, was like he's playing a different character and his

timing was off and his goofiness and I don't know. I didn't dig it. Coy? So the acting didn't bother me as much as it bothered you guys, but the show, the episode did. I didn't enjoy the second episode nearly as much. For me, it was some of the choices in the directing of the acting. Like there was a moment where Loki spoilers for episode two,

Loki runs up at the camera really dramatically. And not only is it this long running shot, but when he lands, they shoot it really dramatically and he delivers a line that could have worked if it was shot regularly, but since it was shot so melodramatically, this is just one example in the opening, that it made everything feel very saccharine and cheesy. And I feel like the rest of the episode, the acting, didn't line up with the directing. So I don't know if the acting bothered me as much as the style choices within the acting. Like one of the things needed to change. Either the melodramatic directing style should have shifted down and then the acting up, one of those in imbalance. And then it didn't

quite land humor wise. I agree and it did worry me because it. Yeah. And I think some of that was the filming. Some of the film like the cinematography was very like, blah, blah, blah, and it didn't fit the tone at all. So the goofy humor felt bigger, the acting felt bigger than anything else had. And I also found I wasn't as invested in the B plot as I needed to be. Right. So then I wasn't invested in the episode because you need the A and B plot to really, I consider the A plot like the interrogation and the hunting and all those things. But everything going on at the TVA felt very secondary. Like I didn't buy the stakes of anything going on with anyone except Brad Loki and that's why I'm asking again what was what was going because I what I don't want to do

is I don't want to start speaking on something and I'm speaking ahead. Oh sure sure sure. I believe the B plot was still OB trying to solve the problems of the confluence of time in the loom that wasn't solved yet. Okay. So it's him basically all that stuff felt secondary to this one hunt and then the end of the episode out of nowhere is them going like spoilers. Oh my God, they were able to accomplish this thing. All these billions of people are dying. None of that felt important because you're searching for something for seven eighths the episode and all of a sudden the inciting incident of the ticking clock is in the final eighth. You have no time to care. And then all of a sudden it's done. So then you're like,

we were focused on the room interrogation, which I thought was playful and fun. Would have shot it different. But then by the time you get to any stakes, it's over. And the fight felt like lackluster because you're like, oh, and we're here. And so there should have been a ticking clock of buildup. Instead, they try to make it a mystery that didn't land. But even that, like, I just didn't feel, even that interrogation thing, which worked well enough, right? And they bring in that weapon or whatever, too, but they're

playing the good cut, bad cop. They're not fooling us. I don't know who they were trying to fool, because they were like, oh, we knew from that conversation leading into it that Mobius and Loki were working together, and it was clearly a good cop, bad cop thing. But he doesn't seem to me like, I don't know,

as much of a badass as in that scene, they were trying to make him feel, because we just saw him kind goofy running around. He wants to be an actor. He takes off almost like, it was almost like a spoof when he ran away from them with the drink and everything too. And I said the humor in the first one was so good. We're in an elevator. And Mobius is like,

I can't watch you do that anymore. It's just like, I lied. He's going into the whole thing about how horrible it was. He was terrible. He was pretty good. It's not great. And he was, but that humor to me is like, that worked great. this stuff was like this was goofy

Marvel humor that I don't like. It was like a 12 when the humor in the first was like this really dry nice 8, 9, where it's just under the over the top where it works because of him on Wilson delivery. I think his delivery is always exceptional. It was something about the framing. It was something about the plot and the pacing. It just didn't land. Nothing worked for me really here

except where we got to. The emotional payoff emotionally not in the show though. Like consciously. You haven't even mentioned Sylvie. You haven't even mentioned her and that's just like the impact. That impact, it should have been so And the first reveal of it was in that post-credit scene, which I missed at first when I did the reaction is in the post-credit scene, which we talked about last week. But then it's just like they wanted, like McDonald's paid a lot of money and they wanted to put her on a McDonald's.

And then they just like continuously like bombarded you with it. And it, you know, you said it didn't bother you as much. It bothered me because it was like, I don't mind, obviously don't mind sponsors. Sponsors pays the bills. I get it. We're going to talk about two of them in a little bit. and I understand, but I'm just saying that there's a way to do it. And to me, it just seemed like it was a gimmick.

However, what I will say, and I know that we promised we won't go too much into what I like about three. What I'm going to do that. But I'm glad that I still, like, I love this show. I just say that. I love this show. And the reason why is because I have seen more. And the end of two, I said to myself, what is the show about? Like, where, where, where's the mean, we haven't connected in the way that I thought we were going to.

That's the way I felt when I watched the end of two. I also didn't like the use of time here because it undermined, it leaps to Brad is in the 80s or 70s as an actor. And we don't know how we got there. And that's supposed to be like, I wonder what he's been doing. But instead it made it, okay, I feel like I watched the end of an episode. Stakes were high. Now stakes are low. And then at the end, oh, stakes are high again.

But none of it felt like an intentional roller coaster. It just felt disorienting, not in a plot-driven way, but in an editing poorly way. Right. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I guess I've been pretty quiet so far. So, yeah, I had zero problems with the acting. I had zero problems with the McDonald's placement. It is what it is.

It happens, and it wasn't beat you over the head that, like, Transformers can be at times. You know what I mean? You don't think it was in this one? See, I thought it was in this one. It was what it was when you consider what I guess it didn't bother me. like stylistically, I guess it kind of made sense with the whole time hopping and how big McDonald's really was getting at that point in the 80.

It was whatever. That didn't bother me. It was so cool to be at old McDonald's for me. Like I was like, oh, that's, I remember that. Like, it was nostalgic. That too. That, that end, if you throw in the fact that when she shows up at the end of one, she's like, I want to try everything.

And that evolved into, I'm just going to stay here. So it essentially is the same thing where like someone just randomly is like, I work at this diner now. Just happen to be McDonald's. I don't care. That's fair. My issue was, and it's what a lot of what Koi was alluding to, is the writing in this entire episode was just very wonky

because it wasn't paste very well. It was kind of all over the place. There were amazing moments in there. There were scenes that were great. So Loki and Selvie's conversation about like, no, we need to, well, whatever. She's like, no, screw you. I have my free will.

I'm done. Like, do your, like, whatever. And him being like, do you understand. that billions will die. You originally were doing this because you wanted to free people and you've actually sentenced them to death. Like you need to help us out here.

So like that was interesting. The pie conversation was interesting. But we were just so all over the place. Like I even enjoyed the fight. I thought the fight was like interesting as well, but you're right. The stakes of all of a sudden, they are committing genocide right now.

Well, and even that. That's crazy. Are we not gonna mention at all? Sylvie did all this. It's all her fault. It's all her fault. She killed, dude. She killed he who remains. Killed him. No one mentions it.

No one's, and if they mention it, they're just like, oh, yeah, when you did that thing, and she's like, you caused this. Well, that's because they spent most of that time already arguing about this in episode one. I know. The whole council and them talking to each other and being like, what do we do?

But I feel like they let her off the hook. But I feel like Sylvie being met at Loki is a little misplaced at least for the audience, without Loki, at least countering, like, we wouldn't be here. Right.

Like, because she's like, blame, blame, and at no point does, and I get they love, that he loves her and like he doesn't want to, like, hi,

it's great to see you. I'm blaming you. A line of dialogue. Everyone should be blaming her. A line. Everyone. And it's okay if she's like, look,

I did what I did. And I think that it's, and that's how she's playing it. 100%. I want, I want the line. But I want people to go, like,

they should be pissed. You did this. This, And that's not there. I guess the logic behind that because the people that were, Loki is too concerned about, oh, my God, the loom is falling apart because Obie told him that. And so we just need to figure out what you can do about it type of thing. Right.

So we just need to stop people from the loom exploding in all existence just ending, right? So that's the concern there. You had the rebels that ultimately decided they were just going to mass prune everything. their response was, I don't give a damn about Sylvie, I'm going to go prune the whole rest of the universe and all that. So truthfully, the only thing that was then important, and I understand that, and I get that even a line of dialogue would have helped. The only thing that's important at that point is, yo, billions is also bad. That's bad writing to me. This is multiversal timelines, and we have seven billion people on this planet.

It's trillions. It's trillions, if not more than that. You know what I mean? And so that to me was, and that sounds very nitpicky. But it's detail. But this show is so good about detail. The fact that it took me out for half a second, I was like, billions. What are you talking about?

You're talking about entire existences. Not like an earth or two. You're talking about infinite existences. Some sort of crisis on infinite earths? Like trillions upon trillions. Billions about something, something. Sinktillions. That's a very nitpicky thing.

but it speaks to me how the writing in this episode was just kind of all over the place. It just went back to the thing where we're talking about, like the stuff of where the Wanda Vision and how they didn't watch Wanda Vision in Doctor Strange multiverse and it just kind of throw, it's like, oh, I'm focusing on this. And it's like you gotta focus on all of it. You gotta pay attention to all the detail.

And I think that it really, like it was one and two were so different. They felt like different shows. They were so different. And I am so glad that I can say that after watching, again, not spoiling anything, just say one through four, I love this show. I do. And I think there's things inside of two that are important, but it's going to be for me at the end, I can tell you right now. Like there's, you'd have to do a lot for this not to be the lower tier.

So I'll just, I'll just say this, like the one thing that'll happen, it just happened very sloppily, as I've mentioned, is that there is a lot of setup for what happens later in the series. Right. You know what I mean? So you don't have to be worried. Right. It just, it just,

the way in which we decide to get there, it's kind of like, it's plain people that don't like I talk sports in this thing. I am devastated after what just happened to the Cowboys. All right. All the Giants lost of, you know, exactly,

right? But like, there's a situation of like, you can be excited about like, oh man, we scored. But if you were really sloppy and how you got there, you still have things to talk about.

You're like, bro, that was terrible for these reasons. A win, but we got to talk. We got to talk. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you show up with flowers for your girl, that's great, but if she noticed that you went and picked them from the neighbor's garden and then handed them to it, you'd be like, thank you for the flowers.

I'm to kill you. Like, you know what I mean? The color she hates. Like, you're like, I miss misguided good. So that's what this episode feels like. I feel like ultimately y'all will see the payoff I think is great. I just how we get to that.

because of this episode, I'm like, God, you, man, you could have been flawless and you have got one asterisk hanging out over here. I'm curious where it feels like that is important slash sloppy by the end. Because there could be things in even five and six that you guys haven't seen yet that make it pay off. I'll just say this. For me, it's that any concerns I had after this, I don't have. Great. So going forward, like, we'll be happy to talk next week. Yeah, so as far as where we are at the moment.

again, we skated around some stuff there too. And look, we might, I've, look at the Osco finale, right? I was definitely, I think it was a kind of, I was in the 40%, and then there was the 60% who really loved it, right? So I don't know where we're going to land on this. We could all be in that lower tier. I love this episode. Those episode was great.

So I love hearing the comments. I love seeing what you guys are talking about. And if you liked it, if you're on the same page, how you felt about it, do you completely disagree? The one thing I will say, and I do appreciate, and I think it gets forgotten a lot, especially because we've gone very much in the comedic route with the character of Loki and the MCU

is how deadly Loki actually is as a character. And I think that's the one thing that that fight reminded us of is the fact, as well as the chase with Brad Wolf and the fact that all of a sudden the shadows are able to grab him and stuff like that and hold him out. I think just a reminder of how powerful Loki is is very important. because it just seems like since

doors always slapping him around that he's not that capable. But he's still a god of mission. He was the villain of the first Avengers, man. All of the Avengers. He was the number one villain for a long time. After, for me, it was Kilmonger who first kind of dethroned him and then Thanos quickly dethroned Kilmonger.

But it was for a long time, he was the guy. Over Ultron, over everybody, yeah. But the speed at which he was just dispatching these TVA agents, I thought was absolutely huge. And I think that's just when you get something so powerful as the MCU have to show like, oh, this guy that was important is small, but then we need to be reminded like you're saying so that there's stakes for him. And it was.

And again, I think because of the stuff that I didn't like, unfortunately, some of the stuff outweighed the good because that moment you're mentioning was pretty sick. It was pretty dope. When he's fighting, it's showing. And even when he's interrogating him and Brad's trying to like do that thing where he's using the stuff against him and you think Loki's going to snap. And Logan, even though he doesn't snap, he doesn't do anything in general that it's Mobius that snaps,

which is interesting. Well, so this was the thing that I thought was so, I don't know if you guys caught this. That was essentially a mirrored moment of the first offenders, because remember, the shoe was on the other foot. He was the one that was captured. He was in there talking to both Fury and then Widow. Yeah, he did the Black Widow.

And so the whole thing of that entire manipulation, And that was the thing. Where you would have expected him to then lose his cool had a similar sort of situation. And the difference was instead of fully getting them to talk themselves out of it, he was like, I'll go back to what I'm actually good at. And I'm still going to trick you, but it's like full torture. Yeah. And I think that also the mirroring is fun, even from season one, because I said episode one,

I like that it's kind of loki leading because he has met here remains, where his season one was Mobius kind of leading him through the TVA. It's who knows more in the situation. Yeah. I enjoyed that Mope. was the one that broke and they had that hallway scene and they even called out like I was following you. You're literally in front of me. How could I like that that little comedy worked for me.

Yeah, it did. But that was a play on like all these things we're talking about. That was the kind of humor that does work versus the bigger, sillier. So there are moments that work. But you're 100% right. Even when you mentioned that moment, like I, I enjoyed that moment as well too. There are a lot of moments in here that work in the show. And it's their chemistry.

Their chemistry is unmatched. Oh, completely. When they have the moments where the two of them can do stuff together, it works. It was just some of the stuff. And I guess maybe it goes back to what you guys, both you are saying is that maybe the writing was just off on this one. And the pace, for me, the pacing was the biggest crime because it was moments that felt like, okay, we're going to pay this off. It's going to be. And then it ended and I was like, what?

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in the Lost Kingdom. Others echoed that sentiment. Jason works his ass off, likes to have a beer once in a while like everyone else, but does not show up drunk to set. And he isn't dressing like Johnny DeW. he's always dressed in that bohemian style. Heard also said she felt unsupported by director James Wan and treated like a pariah because of her high-profile legal battle with her ex-husband. Here's the thing, though.

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if she wasn't allowed to return. This would explain reports that Hurd had her screen time significantly reduced with two key scenes in action sequence with Merri finding black Manta and a love scene with Mamoa hitting the cut room floor. The movies cast and director are not doing any promotion due to the strikes, but if they conclude over the next few weeks, as they are expected to, the Aquaman Two Junkets are going to be very interesting.

Woo. Woo! Wow. Look at silence. Billionaires writing letters to studios because of defamation. It's just so much. It's so much Jersey Shore. It's so like...

Just a lot of mosquitoes. That's how much I cared about the story. Can I tell you? you something though Winston there was I was doing I don't know if it was I think it was an ad or it was something there was and there was a mosquito in here and I really wish I would have left it in because it was hilarious I was doing I was talking about something I might have been an ad I remember a news story I think it was a new story I can't remember but Winston's like this going after it was he was so locked in on this was a long time ago this was like

last week two weeks ago two weeks ago whenever probably boy was out probably yeah yeah yeah I'm always listening like I hear what you're saying But, like, for those that don't know, I got bit already on my ankle in the most uncomfortable spot. And so, like, at first I thought it was one. And now I'm seeing what Christian said. They're everywhere. There's one chilling right there. You see a coy on the edge of the little thing.

And I'm like, if that little asshole moves, he's dead. Because I'm not going to slap the camera because I'm not paying for a new camera. It's just really, really annoying. I don't know what happened. How they started to come in, I got a... Which is also funny because that's kind of what the story feels like to me. It's very annoying. Like, I'm like, it...

It, there's, there's so many elements about it that I don't like. I don't like that it sounds like this movie just like everything we've seen kind of up to it is just one giant drama piece. It's all over the place there. I knew nothing about, I actively went out of my way to not learn about the, the Depp Herd trial because I was like, nope, this is a circus. I don't care. I don't care at all. Yeah, I voted it like, plague. It's not my business.

So I just, I stayed out of it. So then like hearing anything with any sort of, I'm just like, I don't care. I care because it is what we talk about. We talk about comic movies and all that kind of stuff. Well, it affects this particular film. It does. There's this whole element of like,

don't meet your heroes. There's this whole element of like, we really don't know people until like we know them. So is it possible that he was doing this? Sure. But like based off of everything I've kind of seen from him and like his persona, it seems a little out of pocket.

Like there's been no report. But it could be, I don't know. This is what I heard from people who have worked with them. I mean, Jen said she worked at one point, but I've heard stuff. And this is what I've heard. Yeah, he likes to come in. He has a beer. It never affects his work.

Never. He has a beer every once in a while. He has a drink maybe after. He's 230 pounds. If a Guinness affects that man, something is wrong. This guy's just a chill surfer. And as far as, like, him dressing like Johnny Debb, we've been seeing this guy in the news for the last 10 or 15 years.

He's always dressed like it. He's dressed like flowy clothes and relaxed since, like, before he was even famous. Yeah, I don't think, and as I said yesterday, I'll say again, Corey, this article will do nothing to Jason Momoa. No, it's silly. But the issue I have is the idea that someone not related to the theater industry whatsoever, someone that's not at a studio, someone that has no actual grounds to cause a problem with someone's movie has enough money to write a letter. That's my issue with this story. My issue is not, even like Amber heard of it. It's the idea that when someone makes enough money

that they can buy social media and undermine democracy itself, that when someone can cause riffs in the geopolitical system that cause physical harm to our real world can also mess with my fiction. I'm bothered by the non-fiction and the fictional elements of must.

It's the same thing, though, money. You heard me. So you're the B plot of Loki episode 2-9 is what you're saying? I'm affected suddenly. You see what I did there? Because everything else you mentioned was like the A-plot stuff. It was like geopolitical and ruining democracy. And he messed with December's Aquaman 2, the movie we've all waited for with bated breath.

Well, he didn't, I mean, he was, by that, by that argument, he, I mean, depends on how you feel it. He didn't, he didn't mess with it. He, he, he, he, he, he wanted to make a decision. He said, don't, but they would have made a different decision with that. It sounds like they would have made a different decision if not for the letter. True. And if that's what the filmmakers want, they should be able to do what they want with their own. Sure. I mean, look, this is, the other thing is, you know, regardless of how you feel about, uh, uh, hebrose.

in general, we know that the money has always run the world, right? He is, and I said it on the show yesterday, he is way more powerful than most people you're seeing that are going to be doing debates soon. Oh yeah, 100%. He grew up the money that he has. So, he grew his hairline four inches, like the man has powers.

Does not surprise me that he's going to say, yeah, go ahead and do that, Warner Bros. Yeah, see what happens. And that's what sucks is, like, these studios shouldn't be affected by outside, art shouldn't be affected by outside sources. I know it's not. I'm just acknowledging that that bothers me more than anything. else amongst the craziness.

But that's also why we've gotten bad art. Right. That's why so many movies that potential, that had a lot of potential, ended up crappy because you had people that had no business having a say. Or even being in the movie. Right. Look, nepotism and all that kind of stuff, that's been going on forever, guys. You know, so it's like, and it's all, it comes from power and money.

Yeah. So that doesn't surprise. The Cheppigar of Marvel really messed it up and they're trying to rewrite that chip. You look at what Zazlov, like, you know, certain choices. at the top causing problem. The article that just came out about Greta Gerwig, fighting for that great scene in Barbie. Even a scene that she had belief in,

they tried to cut because they didn't see the vision. I think that's a very important scene in the movie that just made a billion dollars. You've got to let your creators create. That's true, but that happens all every movie. Oh, of course. We just don't hear about it because it's not shiny. These are all shiny people.

These are all people that people like talking about because it gets clicks. Let me talk about this stuff as well too, because one of the things inside of that article that we didn't mention in the variety portion of it was that it's very possible. that Universal will buy Warner Brothers. That was the... Really? Yeah, that came out

that Universal might buy Warner Brothers. And that, to me... I would love that. Why? Would you? Because Warner Brothers doesn't have anything creative to say except for the bottom lines.

Asloff running the ship into the ground is a guy that believes in reality TV over art, and Universal believes in art to the stake of making really weird stuff like Cocaine Bear, really weird stuff like Renfield. Universal swings for the fences.

Oh, no, the first one did it okay. great. Renfield broke even. No. I thought on DVD it did really well. I thought it came out. I could be wrong. But I like that Universal swings to the fences and lets their artists make art. Well, let me ask you this though, because here's the one thing though with that. I understand your points you're making,

but what you're not thinking about is that it is very possible that they go, well, let's not go with this saffron and gun plan. Let's do something else instead. Let's reboot this. Let's do this. If they own it, it's not that plan anymore. They can go and they can change and they can say,

well we don't want you guys to do that plan that you came up with for the new thing we want to do this now it's not just that dude like take it take it outside of just the small school i remember being so excited that disney bought fox because i was like the ex man a bank that's that's all i was thinking but like what people don't understand we do not need another merger yeah that is the last thing we need we need to keep multiple studios and multiple production companies doing the thing and not now all of a sudden get it down to what, three, four. That is the last thing we need. True.

Is for that to happen. And that's immediately where my mind goes is you are once again consolidating this power. And then all of a sudden, only the stuff that makes the super billions are going to happen. The rest of it's gone to the wayside. You're actually going to end up undoing a lot of the art that you would want to see. I get what you're saying about letting people cook with certain things. But I am, that definitely feels like. I'll tell you why I don't mind it.

Less emails. Is there one PR person I called out? Well, yeah. I mean, honestly, though, that's, I love, I mean, all your points that you made, valid. I wouldn't change it. You just want less emails. I did. One publicist that now sends stuff that we used to get, I have to chase down the Fox people

for the thing. One person, and the person who sends the Fox movies now is awesome. And it's the same person who sends all the other stuff from, like, the Disney stuff. And it's the Fox person I used to chase all the time. It was the worst. It was for press screenings. But look at movies I didn't want to see. Devil's advocate. Devil's advocate in your exact point is

Banshees of Innes Sharon. Banshees vene Shearer. If it was under Fox still, wouldn't have gotten the same push that once Disney realized they had a potential Oscar contender, they put the way to Disney behind it. I don't like Disney's choices a lot of the time. I think Fox was making better choices at points. But I think once you rewrite the ship and have the right creatives behind it, Universal made Oppenheimer and let him play.

I don't think Warner Brothers would have done that. They literally said no. Yeah, they lost no one because of them. they're dumping everything on streaming. Well, right. They let him be creative when they were with him. Yeah, but they had him on a leash, and then once they ruined it,

and Universal was like, make your crazy think piece. While I hear that, first of all, before I forget the thought, you are so in your middle age dad air. One last email. I was like, where is it?

Hey, if I get one less email a week, I don't consider that a fucking win. And guess what? I embrace it. Bro. Like, like Loki season three is just Christian being like, Hey, yo.

Can we prune that email timeline? Is that another? Can I prune that entire company? I need this pruned. Yeah. One person. One person. I don't love the idea of jobs lost at Warner Brothers.

I don't love the idea of the, I agree with the monopoly issue. I completely agree. My thing is I don't feel like Warner Brothers in its current state. I would never two years ago have said this. I'm worried that Warner Brothers is intentionally losing money so that Zazlov can sell it off. Because I think Zazlov took the job. Yeah. I think Zazlov took the job to cut out the bottom line and to make sense.

some money and then sell it for profit for scraps, but I think Universal, if anyone's going to buy the scraps, I like you know. But let's also not forget that Disney is also in talks to be bought by Apple. I understand. And I don't think that that's good. The only thing that I will give a little bit of credit if Apple does that, they are not really a major studio at this point. They have money, but they're not really a major studio.

They will be within a heartbeat. Which is fine. But that's different. By taking one major absorbing another major again. They're essentially taking two because they have all the Fox stuff too because Fox is still an organization. No, no, no, no, no. I understand that. So I get that that Apple would then absorb all of those assets from Disney.

But all I'm saying in that regard is there is a difference between Apple doing it when they're not really a player yet and they're trying to become one. Kind of like what Amazon did with MGM, that's fine. You're not really in the game at this point. So you went and got a major that was and the titles that came with it. If you then have Universal do this to Warner Brothers, you were just, asking for just nonsense. Look, I definitely think that if I'm James gone, I'm like, do not sell right now, please. Please do not.

Also, you want to know the fastest way to potentially then lose Christopher Nolan who you just got? You mean the thing that I already hated? You just absorbed in? I don't, no, that's the opposite. That's the opposite. For that one, that one, I was on board with you. Everything said that because the leadership is gone.

He's the leadership he's with now is in charge. Yeah. So he's with the winning team and he's like, all right. But to that point, the, I'm on. actual solution is get real people in there that can actually write the ship and not somebody that's just looking at it as like a balance sheet. I don't think anyone that's ever going to be profiting from reality TV will ever make narrative worthwhile.

I think if someone that sees the bottom line of reality TV as low cost, high profit, they shouldn't be steering anything narrative. So I've never thought I would condone anything that looked like a monopoly, but if it means Warner Brothers properties get some justice, because Warner Brothers made the Matrix, Warner Brothers Warner Brothers was my lethal weapon. That was the studio that I relied on. It's all Joe, Joel Silver. That era was, to me, one of the best errors in the history of film.

Like, I love that 25-year run. Like, that company you've dealt with most directly, I think was cinema, man. But, like, when is Warner Brothers? This guy's like, oh, we haven't made a Harry Potter in a while. Yet you just had one failed. Did you not check your own bottom line? Well, he's always talking about the Harry Potter IP. That just failed.

So here's the one thing. And I get, we'll be back on course with the comic book stuff in a second. But, like, the off that point, like, I don't, I've been calling the man Zoloft for the last year, right? I think he's about as corporate and is about as textbook executive or, you know, studio guy as you get. However, the one thing I will say is he still hasn't had a full run yet. He's in the middle of the strikes. He hasn't had anything yet of the stuff that he's, the movies he's been working on, the plans he's put together.

I'll push back on the Harry Potter stuff because the Harry Potter thing was not during his regime. It was a movie that came out that was not, they weren't, it was as much as, if a J.K. Rowling problem is anything else, too? Or she's going, well, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to make these stories off of these characters. Nobody knows. They were mentioned once or twice in the Harry Potter thing. There's no novels. There's none of this.

And it just didn't respond anything. Then you put the Hogwarts legacy game out, and everybody loses their minds about it because it's Hogwarts. The music's coming on. They haven't done that. They haven't done that. So I understand that. He wants to also do Lord of the Rings because people also forget.

Well, they've done Lord of the Rings. That Amazon show has nothing to do with, the Lord of the Rings that they have from Warner Bros. It's a very, it's two different things. So they want to do And I do like his Saffron gun decision. I was very clear about that from the Trump. The one thing we do know I fully support because that's trusting two real nerds. That's what I mean. So we don't

know yet. Do I like him? No. Can I judge him yet on a full on what he's done yet? No. He really, he shouts back. When did he come in? A year and a half ago? So, nothing's out yet. I mean at this point, But as far as like the stuff

Anything he would have really put together Hasn't gotten released. Everything that came out was all past regime stuff that they had to try to make money on. And that I totally understand. And I also understand rolling certain stuff out. Like I guess the big difference is

there are still things and decisions that have immediate effects based on his watch, including how he handled the strike, including all sorts of stuff that like... That stuff's not great. I'm talking with the movies itself. It's the creative side of it. I get that, but we, first of all, he is not the creative side of anything. We are very aware of that.

No, no, but as Coy said, there does come a point of he's not making the creative decisions, but it's the same thing that I always said about like Kathleen Kennedy, where Kathleen had very different positions, but where I think Kathleen Kennedy would thrive is because she's a very good producer if she produced and got creative people said and said, okay, to me, any producer that will say, to anyone in the position of power at a situation, say, okay, who are the creative people that are going to, if I'm, if I'm sitting up there, make me look the best, make me, make me the most money, and I don't understand all this shit.

But then what he has done is, Coy said, those two names, he went not those two guys. That's a big, for the biggest IP they have. Yeah, and they were going to do, at the time, they were also, it was, shoot, who was it? It was, oh, I can, Dan Lynn, I think it was Dan Lynn, that they were, they were, Oh, yeah, that's right. We were like, and we, and Dan Lynn, I worked, Dan Lynn, I worked, Dan Lynn, was, there when I was at Silver. So, Dan, I thought it was interesting.

It was a guy who's been in the studio system, but it was such a outside the box thing to get Gunn and Safran to do it together, that that's a move, that's what I mean by creative, right? Because that's a creative decision. Sure, I understand that. I'm saying there is enough to be said about the decisions that he has made already

to piss people off. That if you, if again, people don't like me talking talking about sports analogies or whatever, but you could, stop saying that because we care. Right. We're already at like the end of the first quarter and it's just kind of like, are you, are you serious right now? A lot of games.

There's a lot of the second and third and fourth. And I understand that, but that doesn't mean that you aren't getting booze rained down on you right now. And he should be getting booze. And that's what I'm saying. Again, me saying a monopoly, maybe not the worst is how bad the booze are for me. Like I never thought Warner Brothers, I'd be in a position. We're like, all right, go into the second quarter. Should we have a new coach, another giant coach take over this team?

But that's what Winston, I think that that's where Winston's point is valid. The thing is that this guy's not doing himself any favors outside when he's making comments and things outside of the public perception of him outside of that bubble of the rich, right? That perception is like, you're going to get people going, I don't care what he does. He might have some stuff too, but I don't like the guy. There's a lot of people who don't even know who the hell he is because he's, we know who he is. Have you ever had a situation where you met somebody, either someone you were trying to call? or somebody you had someone you were trying to court or someone that you were just whatever but they left such a bad taste in your mouth at the very front and someone's like no no no no no like they're actually really cool to do this they do that and you're like i don't give a all right i've met them this is how it came off i good for you first impressions or everything it's everything and he has fully squandered into my ambition that's fair i think it's a fair thing but i mean there's also things that as much as i know you guys too and if they if they don't sell and he wind

of putting out all these movies with saffron. And the DC plan goes great. We're not going to turn and go, you know what? I love the guy. I think he's great. That's never going to happen. And I've said from the beginning, the only thing that Gunn and Zazlov need to do is just be as true and authentic as they have been so far, even amongst that like empire of sterleness. That is a creative powerhouse that can make all that money and make him look good.

And I think if he gives them the leash that I think he has, Warner Bros. is going to be in great shape. But it does worry me that we won't get to that point. And that's why I like, I like what University is. Russell has done the last five years more than most studios. I'll tell you who they love right now because they don't necessarily have to sell right away. Not that it made a lot of money, but it didn't save the studio. It was Barbie, right?

Yeah. They love Margo Robbie. And Greta Gerwig, as you mentioned. But, you know, they got to have a few. And look, the Meg made a lot of money, too. The movies. Really? Yeah.

The Meg too. Meg too. Made a ton of money. Internationally. And the nun made a lot. The Nunn made. I just saw those numbers. That's insane internationally?

Warner Brothers has done has has has has a couple of wins. The conjuring is like the sleeper hit. It's just like every time they make one, it just profits. What's taking that? What's, what's burning all the fuel in the car, the DC? Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it, it, it, it, Blue Beetle didn't hurt them, right?

Flash was a disaster. They got to be like breaking even with Barbie's billion. How crazy is to make a billion and be like, okay, we're just keeping this a flow. Yeah, Shazam 2 is, that's what, and so that goes into, I guess the next story here, is that Aquaman 2 is now testing not great. Aquaman and Lost Kingdom. New details emerge about poor test screenings. Will they sink the box office hopes?

Again, common book movie, this one by Josh Wilding, today has seen even more DC-EU drama make waves online as we're sure executives at Warner Brothers Discovery are eager for this franchise to just hurry up and end already. Luckily for them, it's going to end with December's Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom. Newly anointed James Gunn and Saffron are spearheading a reboot set in the DC. though it's confusingly going to include a mix of new and returning actors' characters, leaving even hardcore fans to wonder what sort of fresh start this actually is.

Regardless, 2018's Aquaman 1 grossed over $1.1 billion at the worldwide box office. Production on the upcoming sequel hasn't exactly been smooth sailing. We've already heard about multiple rounds of reshoots and at least a few different cuts of the movie, including a version of the second Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom pieced together by a Warner Brothers, Pamela Abdi, who said it was a disaster. Now, variety reveals that the movie is still testing in the 60s despite multiple attempts to overhaul it. One insider says the movie is like this echo of regimes. It's the last remnant of the Snyderverse and no one really wants to take ownership of it. An onset source attempts some damage control by saying the sequel was finished on time under budget

and with only a week's worth of reshoots but sounds like a fabrication based on this and other reports. Yeah, I don't buy that at all. In terms of the impact of all, and what it will have on Aquaman and Lost Kingdom's box office hall. The trade says the movie is currently on par with the first installment. That doesn't necessarily mean it will find the same level of success in the long run, but it may avoid the fate of Shazam, Fury, the Gods, the Flash, and the Blue Beetle. According to Exhibitor Relations box office analyst Jeff Bach, everybody is down on DC, but there is a chance,

especially with the limited competition during the holiday season, that Aquaman could still play like gangbusters because of lack of product. I'll tell you how it'll do a billion. start telling people that them see Navi from the second avatar going to be in it and they somehow join up with Aquaman to fight Black Manna and I bet you it'll do $3 billion. Otherwise, I don't see this movie coming anywhere close to the success of the first one. No, the success of the first one, no way. The second part of the conversation is does it make a profit?

Right. Now, it depends because I think that that comment is total BS. We're like, oh, yeah, it came in under budget. It's fine. Well, we already know there's like four things of reshoots. Yeah, we've heard different edits that have been screened. How could it have one round of reshoots? There's no way.

This movie, if you really look into, they're not going to, they're going to guard these real numbers like, you know, like the freaking government guard in the UAPs. So they're going to be guarding this thing, man. Like, I'm guarding this camera. I swear to God, if I get a chance, I'm going to kill a hell out of this mosquito. Do it. It's sitting there. But listen. So what I'm saying is that if they, they're not.

going to, these numbers. We'll never know the real numbers, especially because of the resume change. But I'm going to guess and I'm going to say, if you look at without the reshoots and without marketing, they're saying 220, 215 probably is how much they're saying it is with the reshoot. This thing is definitely going towards 300. Oh, yeah. Definitely going towards 300, which with marketing, let's say it's got to make 550 to 600

to break even. Let's just let's just say that. Let's say 550 to break even, which is. Again, now, granted, there is not a lot of competition. And what people also don't realize, before Star Wars, the Force Awakens, there was never a movie that made $100 million opening weekend in history. It was the first one to do it in December. In December, it just didn't happen.

Now it happens a little bit more. It's kind of like the second summer season when you have the big holiday stuff. People go out and see it. But I don't know. I just think we were in a very different time when that movie, Captain Marvel. All those movies are churning out those. It was peak hero and streaming was a different beast.

It was not just the, not just the culture of movies, but it was also how people consume their media. Right. I think not only did we have the slow impact of how many superhero movies we've gotten, but also the slow impact of people got real comfy at home. I don't think people like going out as much anymore.

So I think when those two things combined, we're not going to see the same type of numbers. There are exceptions like Barbie. There are exceptions like Oppenheimer. There are things, but that was like a cultural moment. Barbenheimer was a really, look at this year's numbers. Guardians did very well for like three, four, five weeks.

And then like nobody talked about it because nobody talks about movies that long anymore. You had Creed Three did, like some of the best opening numbers we had for sports films. We stopped talking about Creed three in like May. It came out in March. Like we, it just like the conversation doesn't last as long. They come out and they come out on digital.

Yeah, they're going to be too quick. It's the only ones that have remained relevant for an extended period of time. Barbie I don't even think Oppenheimer Like Barb Auburnheimer almost made a billion dollars

Yeah That's awesome It didn't stay in the right But that you're talking specifically About people talking about You mean like in the cultural Guys The only ones that did

Barbie Top Gun I won't even say Avatar Yes Avatar Made like 2.5 But like Avatar Dude definitely Nobody was talking about it Like it was a weird thing

To read the numbers And not the conversations It made so much much money. I am not denying the success it had. It was not talked about the way that like, because the first Avatar was what, 2008? Nine. Nine. Nine. Okay.

So we're not even really truly in the age of social media yet and I feel like everybody talked about Avatar at all points in time. Sure. I feel like a decent number of people sort of talked about it leading up to it. The diehards obviously were. But then other, but once it was out. Yeah, I assume you're not the way that they did Barbie. Barbie

Barbie Spider-Spiderman Top Gun across the spider's big impact. I'll give you that. You think across the spider verse more was there people talking about more than Barbie than Avatar?

I mean sorry, not Barbie, more than Avatar, yeah? I don't think so. For sure. For sure. As far as talked about

because the other thing you got to think about Christian is what what has also started to evolve like you obviously have what the layman like the common everyday folk that just go to movies

like whenever. There's that but then you have to look at like all of those movies I mentioned were massive on social media and TikTok. So for example,

the number of memes that came out of Spider-Verse that came at a Barbie that came at a top gun. That's part of what helped with that longevity is that people were like the whole canon events became a whole viral moment on social media for a minute. But I see your point overall though, too. There are certain movies that are out there that are doing that. And I don't, this movie's certainly not going to do that.

As far as, and the only reason where they said that it's got a shot to make profit, the only reason is because I do believe that Jason Mamoa is a likable movie star. And I think he was easily the best part of FastX, easily. And that franchise. What a good time he was having. He was having a blast. I really like, I just wanted to see him on set. I want to see the behind the scenes more than I've, like, wanted to see BTS of any movie.

I want to see him just, like, frolicing. Yeah, because the, the drama, there was supposed a drama that Vin Diesel did not like what he was doing. I just haven't seen it yet. I was just, I know he's, he's great. I won't spoil it. He's fantastic in it. He's essentially playing the Joker. And he's playing life.

He's playing surfer version of the Joker because he's so over the top, but he knows he's over the top. Isn't it also associated with five? Oh, yeah. Which is arguably like the best one. They knew what they were doing. And he's playing the broker and it's awesome. And it's a different show where we talk about that movie.

But that movie, that movie. Patrons get a watch a long ago. Yeah, but that movie was like $350 million or $360, something ridiculous. And it didn't even break even, I don't think. I think it barely broke even or it didn't break even. And that and because of the same, I think they're all in, they were all in that mentality of the 2016, 17 of, oh, we're going to get this, we're going to spend the money on it, we're going to make it back.

Pre-streaming. Yeah. And the streaming shifts that COVID caused. Like I know streaming's been around longer than COVID, but I think the two years that COVID really shifted entertainment from 2020 to 2020, 22. It went too fast. We just don't have the same system anymore. We were working towards that because there was fear that was coming that Disney might buy one of

the, the theater. and starts showing their stuff. So that fear was kind of hovering, but the minute that you took a plan that was supposed to maybe go over the course the next three to five years and it implemented instantly. 100%.

And that obviously ruined a lot of relationships with artists, but it just, you didn't realize you broke your own business model, which to bring it full circle about this idea of selling to Universal, there's an idea of not really seeing the force from the trees here. If you roll something out too quickly

like that streaming thing, you've killed your own model and now people won't go back to the movies unless it is a major pop culture, like, phenomenal. Right, right. Well, I mean, or, you know, you spend less money and make a profit on it. Which is also fine.

We were talking about, like, with, you know, the nun, the nun too. It's not like, but no, but to that point, it made its money, but nobody was talking about it until, like a couple days after release, nobody was talking about it. It may have done its thing,

but that's, that's, that, you've ruined that now. It's almost like that's, and it's also because of going back to streaming, it's when they dump everything in night one, everyone will talk about, you know, strangers things for like two or three weeks. And then the shows that are doing week to week, they stay in the conversation because, oh, it's coming out this week.

Let's talk about it this week. Water cooler conversation is so important for things to last. It is. But, all right, so we are going a little long, but I want to get to this Jason Mamoa story about Lobo, man. That's a big one too. So Jason Mamoa has reportedly entered talks to play Lobo. Galgo Doe is not expected to return as Wonder Woman.

until next week when she's reported that she will. It seems, it's like that whole that's Saturday Night Live. I mean, what's the deal with Gal Gadot? She is, she isn't, is she Wonder Woman? What's she doing? Give her another Netflix movie. It seems to rumors that Aquaman star Jason Momoa is set to return to the DCU as Lovo are true. But the recent report that Gal Gadot will remain on as Wonder Woman, it's been refuted.

We continue to see conflicting reports and rumors relating to James Gunn and Peter Saffron's plans for Warner Brothers DCU relaunch with Gunn himself appearing to confirm that it's not going to be a full reboot since the likes of Iola Davis and John Cena will return as their respective characters. Recently, Galgadote indicated that she might be set to reprise the role of Wonder Woman for a third movie under the DCU banner, but variety now seems to have debunked this story once and for all. In the trades report on the Aquaman and Lost Kingdom drama, they note that none of the stars

cast by Zach Snyder for 2016 Batman or Superman, Donna Justice, and 2017 Justice League, including Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill, Galgado, Ezra Miller, Jason Mamoa, none of them will reprise their roles in the new DCU universe in character. And none of this is particularly surprising, especially after the underperformance of the Flash. But what is interesting is that Variety also confirms that Mamoa has officially entered talks to play Lobo. The Game of Thrones alum is expected to make his debut as the main man either in Superman Legacy or a standalone on project at a later date. It's also mentioned that contrary to what we have led to believe, Gun and Safran don't enjoy the same autonomy as Marvel's Kevin Feigy when it comes to DC's small

screen output, although a Max source says the collaboration between the DC team and Max's executive Sarah Aubrey and Casey Boyce has been seamless. Gun might well weigh in on social media to dispute or clarify some of this, but if accurate, it seems the new DC will be a full reboot when it comes to the major characters with a couple of ties to the previous era thrown into the mix. whatever happens with the relaunch, it's worth noting that Variety also says that many sources are, convinced that another company, most likely universal, will buy Warner Brothers within two years, making recent DC subplots and upheavals feel quaint. If this does come to pass, we could be looking at another big shake-up before too long. So that was what I was talking about, right? So yeah, yeah, so there's a lot to, this is one we'll end with this, regardless of how long it's going to take us.

But the first part is this is exactly what I thought when all of the DC stuff was announced, which was, yeah, the door is open for all of them. You know, yeah, the doors open for everybody is what they said. The doors open for everybody. Meaning, if the movies do good, if the flash makes a billion dollars, if people love the fact that Wonder Woman came back and Shazam and Shazam makes big profit, then hell yeah, they'll come back. bomb after bomb. Why in the world would they bring any of these people back? It's the same thing. Using Winston's sports analogy,

you have a pitcher that used to be really good, comes in and his arms blown out. He just can't cut it anymore. You cut him. And the other side of that is, now Henry Cavill is still throwing that fastball. He was still throwing that fastball, but the second you cut him,

everyone else got to go. Not just because it's Henry Cavill. If Wonder Woman was cut first, Galgado was cut first. Everybody's guts to go, because it doesn't make sense. Now, I will say this. The point that I have been seeing in the comments, and I'm agreeing with more and more that I see it,

is that if Viola Davis returning as Waller, I still think Sholo can return, and it doesn't change anything. It doesn't change anything. There's nothing to connect to. Viola Davis can essentially serve the same purpose as J.K. Simmons did in the MCU. Yes.

Because it's not this major. She's had major. moments and certain things that have happened, but nothing to where you're like, well, wait a minute. Doesn't that, it's like, no, she's playing the same character. Now, Peacemaker is another confusing one, though. Peacemaker, let's call it what it is. He loved doing it.

He wanted to see a season two, so he's figuring out what he said. I don't remember the full thing, but it was something along the lines of season one is not going to be canon anymore, but season two will be and will explain how is essentially what that article is. My only guess is because you can do it anyway is maybe maybe peacemaker falls in some sort of wormhole ends up in the DC universe and we go. He's got a lot of helmets.

One of them can be multiversal. You never know. I mean, it's a simple bad line of dialogue. He just falls into a multiverse through helmet. I mean, if any show can do it, that show is so ridiculous. Also, I do think John Cena is one of the best casting decisions that he's made. So I don't mind the slight hypocrisy.

Apocrisy is too strong a word for what I feel it is. I do feel like it's a good enough casting decision that didn't directly tie in to those. It is playing favorites. It is playing favorites. It's playing favorites. So hypocrisy is strong. Playing favorites is what it is. But we didn't see those DCU members in the show.

They were shadow. I'll be hypocritical because I don't mind that. I don't mind. That's what I'm trying to say. Both those choices, even though I said that you could recast them and, you know, fine. But it doesn't hurt it overall. It doesn't make it confusing if you keep all of them. But if you keep any of the major players, it makes it confusing.

It's also, and that was that was the main thing. to harp on. Peacemaker and Dave and Waller are so small fish. Just like Blue Beetle. Like they may grow to be bigger fish. But like the actual Justice League, everything surrounding the Snyderverse, everything surround, like Margot Robbie because of what she did with Harley Quinn was so huge.

All of that is so massive. Yeah. You have to walk away from it. But this is, yes, it is playing favorites. but it's small enough that like yeah nobody's really the margot thing is such a bummer because she is so well cast but I agree she is the face of a different entity

within the DCU she's also grown past that dude oh yeah I mean she's made a billion dollars she is she should do whatever she wants next she I mean she's people forget she's a producer on that yeah she's upset she could retire good for her easily yeah yeah but I do think that Margo loves hardly enough that she if she wanted to could continue and whatnot but I do think the iconography

of that era ties to her to her to directly. Whereas Peacemaker at this point, like there's a Peacemaker comic out right now, just wrapped six-issue run called Peacemaker Tries Hard. It is the most I've laughed out loud at a comic in years because it's written exactly like the show. And it's a six-issue series that feels like season two of the show.

And immediately I'm like, man, he made me love Peacemaker, a character that is just nothing. I think a few of them, I mean, I don't know if they're all coming back, but I know he said Freddie Strommer is coming back, which is, he was my favorite. I love, I love Sina. Freddie Strummer was the vigilante.

Vigilani. Okay, that's what I thought. Brady Schumer was absolutely my favorite. No, he was so good. He was hysterical. Yeah. Because like, then someone would make there, okay, well, you know, Black Adam and that big, I was like, the Rock is tied to it.

The Rock is arguably the biggest movie star in the world, or at least it was at some point. I don't think the Rock helped himself too in the way that, because the Rock was trying, and more power to him. The Rock was trying to take over DC. Right. I was trying to run DC. Right. And they just decided, no, we're going to go somewhere.

Right. But that's, but that's it. that's all. You have a situation where nothing but really good came from it from Viola Davis's Waller, John Cena is peacemaker and what that show ultimately ended up doing. And then Sholo, especially from the standpoint

of like at least with Blue Beetle, I think both A knowing, hey, that character would be important enough. We didn't really give Sholo a chance. It doesn't tie to anything, really, other than a random rogue line about Batman, but Batman just exists in the world of D.C. regardless of

if it's the DCU or the DCU. Yeah. So like, well, I think what they also need to do because this MoMAOA thing could be confusing to people because especially.

It'd be a lot of makeup though. It'd be, you would be able to potentially get away with it because, okay, I don't know the character well enough. So I mean, I mean,

look, pull the photo back up. This picture alone. Yeah, yeah. Is that how he looks? 100% of time. He's a full on alien,

like full chalk white ghost. Like, yeah. It's also great because he can age and it won't be as affecting. Like, I'm happy for, I felt so bad for,

Dax, like, you know, he had to stay in that crazy shape into, you know, later. And now Hugh Jackman with the strike has to stay yoked for six months. Like, I was thinking of that when they had the Wolverine sleeves be long. I'm like, oh, thank God, he can, like, he can, like, he's in a vest. You can do a little bit of prosthetics. He could like. So you can get away with it. I just, I think it's, it's a, I want to see him going.

Is he like wisecracking and stuff too? Oh, yeah. He's ass. He's deadpool. He's, he's, he's, he's alien Deadpool. He is. He's, he's alien Deadpool. He's thought Santa Claus.

Oh, he's going to have a blast. He thought Santa and killed him. He doesn't die. He murders everybody. Like, he's such a smart-ass mouth. Cigar chomping has a chain with a big, what was the hook on the end? Oh, he's playing Lobo as Aquaman. Right, it's a space motorcycle.

Yeah, yeah. But that's my point. So my point, it was what you just said. My point is that they almost like, so if this movie is if Aquaman makes a billion dollars, they run into that problem of what I said in the beginning of where they go. It won't, but I see yourself. It won't, but that's part one. Part two is that it's also, you know, here he is playing this role and he's playing the same thing.

Essentially, he's playing, I mean. He could go fast X with it, though. His range, he's pretty much Jason Momoa and most of the things that he does, which is fine. He's made a career out of it. Mindus, I still think Game of Thrones, he's very different. But the question that, or not even a question, I think, you cannot, you have to go back if you do Aquaman in this DCU, you have to go back to traditional

blonde hair. Oh, Justin Hartley. Like you got to go, like he wasn't small. You got to go clean cut. You've got to go back to basics because you got to go into the complete 180 of what this

version is, especially if you're going to have him in his logo. I fully agree with that. I think it would serve, it would serve the character more than that I didn't like this interpretation. I actually really enjoyed it, but I just, I think it will,

especially if you are going with what we've been teased at the story is with with legacy you need Aquaman to make that about face as well you're more of Boy Scouty right because you can't because if you're going to have Mamoa in it playing this kind of cigar chomping

and he's a good guy dish right right anti-geal he's dead yeah yeah so but if you're going to have that type of guy and it's going to be Mamoa you don't want a similar Aquaman no and that's also very much only Mamoa's take there's not a lot of Aquaman even when he loses his arm and gets more vengeful

it's still not the level Mo Moa was playing. Like the comic book Aquaman and movie Aquaman are about as far as it's acceptable. I'm not really looking forward to this movie. I'll tell you why also because the Aquaman. Oh, okay. Aquaman too. Because I was up until I saw the most recent trailer. Because the trailer to me seems like they're just resting on the laurels of Moa's personality.

It's like it's like it's personality alone. Let's see what we can get. And that's this marketed on his personality because he's likable. And that might get a lot of people in the theater, and I don't disagree. The movie looks so generic. Does it look fun? Is there a new trailer? From the first?

I guess whatever the last one. Okay, we just had the one that I don't think. Three, four weeks ago, whatever it was. But it just looks so generic. It could be a fun movie. It could be one of those popcorn in the face. I'm like, it was fine. Yeah.

But I'm just trying to think in superhero movies I'm already failing. But like what movies have done well just off of somebody's personality? Personality. I think the only exception I can. think up, no, because it was still written well and like you were because like, oh, you're saying just the personality without a good script.

The only one I could think of and it's not that it was a bad script, it was just basic, was like the Rush Hour series, it was just, it was Tarotops chairman of the board. But like, but like think about it, Batman and Robin. It would have been that this is a continuation

and it's George Clooney and it's Arnold Schwarzenegger. Like, you know, like I'm trying to think of another superhero Birds of prey. I enjoyed it, but as far as it goes, it's a pretty generic movie in that regard. It's Margo Robbie is doing Margo Robbie as Harley Quinn. You know what I mean?

Like, it's those do not have a tendency to do well when you are just banking off of somebody's personality. I'm so curious to see. This is now like... This might be the biggest drop from one to two ever. That's the record I'm curious about. Is it the biggest drop from first to sequel? But you know, the biggest competition, I think, is...

Wonka. Which I'm... I'm more excited for. They're moving. They're competing against themselves. So dumb. The Christmas season is Warner Brothers v. Warner Brothers. So they could essentially be either hurting Wonka.

Yeah. Or Wonka does so well that people like, I don't see Wonka again. Or let's see, I heard it's really good. Let's see that instead of the superhero movie that nobody wants to see it. It's the director of Paddington.

I'm way more excited for Wonka. Me too. I can't believe how many people are not excited for that movie. It's the director of Paddington. It could have had no trailer. I was talking to somebody. He was, who was it? I don't really care.

I think he was... He's one of them. Okay, but there was... Oh, no, I know. I don't want to call this person out. But there was somebody who was walking into the studio, and I couldn't believe it when they said that, oh, it looks terrible. And I'm like, what?

I don't think it looks terrible. I just don't care. Like, Charlie and Drago Fighters fun. Did you see Paddington? No, I haven't seen the best one. That's why. Sure, sure. But like...

Do we got to do, we should do a watch along the Paddington. Sure. Don't. I'm happy. I'm happy to do it. I'm literally, I will say this much as far as the whole idea of Willie Wonka, the whole idea of Charlie and the chocolate factory. I'm sure as a kid just because of the antics. Did respond to you.

As a kid, I was like, fine. But like, anything is it, I'm just like, this is, I don't care about the story. That's fair. That's fair. I mean, out of the two, if they, if they, someone said to me, you can either see Ako Man too or Wonka. Not a conversation. I would stay home. Yeah.

Yeah. You only see is one. Okay, I would go in... This is the three people doing comic book movie show who were debating this right. No, no, no, it's cool. I would go in to...

I would go into Wonka, but I would bring out my phone and I would just put on headphones so I'm not bothering anybody and I would just like watch by on the Side of Vers or like across the Spider-Verse I don't care. I'm just bothering somebody.

You have the screen up. I'll sit in the front. Nobody sits up there. I'm seeing Wonka. I mean, I'm seeing Wonka because I want to. I'm seeing Aquaman because I feel like I need to and because of yaya. Christian, you've never bought a ticket to a movie

and then didn't actually do it. You just went hooked up with a girl and then like your mama would potentially get mad if she found out. You're talking about something that's not inconsiderate and something that's... Yeah, that's... One affects everyone around you.

Yeah, I can't tell you. That it takes everything in me to not take someone's phone out of their hand and throw it across the theater. I hate it to. Like I said, I would go, I would make sure I'm in the most not messing with anybody way to do that if I had to go sit in one of these

but I'm saying you know we all have to see Alka Man right? No no of course I'm going to that's fine but if you're saying I'm going to send this clip to Warner Bros. when we say hey we want to come to the screening wow us fighting over you trapped into not watching something but here's the thing what I'll say is like look here's the good news we chose we'd rather see one of your movies instead of the other movie

that we're covering hey man sack strong baby sex strong but we're all choosing Wanka We chose Wonka. We're doing comic book movies and we're all choosing Wonka. Yeah, with one trailer and it's really off the director. I chose Wonka because chocolate is involved. I,

fair enough. But there should be no, if that movie at a second movie trying to capture this audience, should be like, you should have been, nah, you still got it.

Yeah, not even, didn't even, and one of my favorite actors working. Yaya Abdul Matine the second is in it. And I'm still like, sorry, I'm Paddington director.

And like that's crazy because I wanted nothing more than the Black Manta movie with the trench. But I'm just so underwhelmed. Fair enough. All right. This is a supersized episode. So we talked about a lot, man. We took a lot of DC stuff. We talked Loki.

We talked about it all. So let your comments be known, man. What do you agree with? What do you disagree with? All that and more. Like I said, when we hit a thousand patrons, we're going to try to get Winston to go to Universal Halloween Horror Nights, man. So go and try to check that out again.

if we get to that magic 10,000, Zaflert and Flouse, and Jessica, Jessica will lead him to the plane while he skydives, which would be insane. And then 1,500, though, when we get to 1,500, we're going to Corey Feldman concert. Amazing. I'd like to

thank my two friends on the show today, starting with Winston and Marshall. Winston, where can the good people find you? It would find me at the swaggy blur, man, got my sports victims unit. That's been doing pretty well, and I'm having fun doing it, so please come and support that.

And you can see me on Game Time with Roka on Tuesdays at 11 a.m. Pacific time. And yeah, just do the socials. Hit me up. And Coy, Jandro, when you're not posting clips from this show and not tagging the actual show, where would we find you? Find me outside Christian's house, not letting him know. I'm there just like I don't let him know. I'm not tagging the show.

I am writing find the full video on the big thing. I didn't have room for the link. It was too. Add. Click ad on Twitter. You'll find me tagging at the big thing. Wait a minute, no, you're not getting tested. No, I literally didn't even consider tagging.

Like the guy doesn't live on social media. Oh, you can do that? I didn't consider the Twitter. I just went, I went to link. Look at Reddy's getting. Has there this much color on him? Hold on. Hold on.

Coy. Banshee of Harrison. He is in his middle age dad era and he just out social media at your ass. At the thing. I literally my brain was, oh, the link won't fit. It's like he was going to. You can find it at the big thing.

Soong's what's the big thing? It doesn't matter. I literally win. The link doesn't fit. I have no other option. Oh, my God. Tag the account. Just tag the account.

You find me failing at social media at Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, and not knowing how to use them regardless of the amount of time I spent on them and at New York Comic-Con this weekend, where I'll be tagging at the big thing without relating it to anything I'm actually doing. I am in full shock right now. I am so disappointed. I'm not even mad. I'm disappointed. I got Middle-aged bad time, too.

It's coming at me, and I just turn all of it. In my household, that would have been an asshole. That's mad. We gave him a verbal ass. I mean, I got it. I feel it. I turned like puce. Yo, at 500 patrons,

Christian is going to make Koyle get a switch off that tree. He was throwing the ball down. We got to go to the tree. Wait, wait a minute. Wait a minute. For 500 patrons, would you get, if we go by, would you try to get that thing Until we got it all day. 100%.

All right. Here's what I'm going to do. Let me find out. Let me find out if it's still in the tree. Because if it is. For people don't know, I blew my arm out, got cuts and stuff all over my hands for like on Father's Day for hours trying to get this hula hoop out of a tree. It was like. Yeah.

And it was straight up the weeping willow or whatever it is from Harry. Womping Willow from Harry Potter. And it's got to still be there because this tree, I'll never, I'll never forget it. That soccer player walking by and going, huh, tree of death. I can't fight the bodybuilder bro because we can't find it. I'll fight the tree. I'll see if you can try to look. Let's tie it into the backstory.

Anyway, so there's a lot of stuff, as you see. Patreon is becoming a place of chaos. Go to patreon.com slash the big thing show. If it was a Twitter account, you could tag it. All right, guys, thanks for joining us on the show. We'll see you next time. Appreciate you. Goodbye.