The Kristian Harloff Show - LOKI SEASON 2 EPISODE 4 SPOILER DISCUSSION!! | Marvel | MCU | The Big Thing

Episode Date: October 27, 2023

PATREON:  https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow 🚨 SPOILER ALERT! 🚨 Join Kristian Harloff, Coy Jandreau, and Winston A. Marshall as they dive deep into a spoiler-filled discussion about Loki Season 2 Episode 4! 😱 From the shocking ending to the mysterious He Who Remains, we'll break down every twist and turn in this thrilling episode. 🌟 Don't miss our thoughts on Kang, the shocking twist, and what comes next for our favorite trickster god! We also discuss Gen V, The Marvels might be in trouble regarding box office, the problems with social media today with creators, celebrities in general. We talk Marvel in general and how and when they can bounce back.  #marvel #mcu #loki #lokiseason2 #hewhoremains #twist #genv #themarvels #movie   🌀 Subscribe to Kristian Harloff's channel for more spoiler discussions, movie reviews, and pop culture news! 🎬

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the big thing. It's capes and cows. Man, there's a lot of stuff going down. I'm hoping that, as you guys know, we pre-taped this. I'm hoping by the time that this airs tomorrow morning or when you're watching this right now, that there's some kind of news about SAG and making a deal. Now, is that going to happen?

I don't know. Mike Kalnowski might be right. It might happen during the weekend or worst-case scenario afterwards. But I'm crossing my fingers because there's so much news already coming out, So much news. Now, some of that news, obviously we're going to talk about Loki season two episode for spoilers. We're going to talk about Gen V.

We're not going to do any spoilers because Winston hasn't seen it just yet. I've seen three episodes. I think Koi's seen all six thus far. So we'll talk about that show. We'll talk about the marvels. It's right around the corner. And what's going on? It's an hour and 44 minutes.

Oof. And the reviews so far. I mean, not reviews, but the critic screenings are coming out just a day or two before the movie itself. There's potential rumors that there's a big cameo. We're not going to about that cameo, but we'll talk about are they doing the Black Adam to try to get people into the theater? Coy has some optimism. We'll find out why. And then there's a lot of other things going on, man.

There's Tycho Watiti. Apparently, he's not coming back for Thor anymore. There's Spider-Man News, the game, that is. So, Koi's done some of the, watch some of the plays, the scenes, the cuts, all that stuff. People are losing their minds over this game. So we'll talk about that. So much, there's more stuff as well. Yeah, man.

And I'll tell you what, you know what I'm excited about? This angle. Oh, it's a new angle. Dynamic. Look at that. So we're here before we're here. I thought I was supposed to be quiet. No, it's okay.

But I just figured, I figured, hey, listen, look at that. We just all up in here in my boogers. Behind the scenes. So we got a new camera angle. We got everything else, too, and we're here with you guys. So thanks for joining us on the show today. sure that if you ever any done it hit that like button subscribe to the channel let's get to it man it's capes and cows it's me it's winston it's coy let's do it welcome back

ladies and gentlemen capes and cows it's myself coy Winston Winston and Coy Winston and Coy this is I really love how like bright your shirt is I mean it'll help my shirt it'll help my posture because you see every time he come up here I'll be like the Oh, shit. Everybody's back. Now we're all back. So it's good to have you back. Good to have everybody back here, too.

Good to have the gentleman back. And we got a lot to talk about, guys. But, you know, did I tell you guys about the new, at 600 patrons what we're doing now? No. Mike Kellenowski's going to do five minutes of stand-up comedy. Yeah. Oh, that was the last thing you got.

Yeah. So Mike's going to do stand-up comedy at 600. He's now terrified. Oh, good. I did it again to him yesterday because he kept cursing, like, real bad. and this time I put this ridiculous scream. Oh, I thought you would do that. I was, that else phase one.

I did the ridiculous one that I did last, the donkey noise, but I also did this guy going, like that, and then there was a cow sound, and I said every time you do it, it's going to get worse and worse, and there was one who goes, and it was a lot of fun. So you can check out, if you want to see Mike just completely roasted by sound effects,

go out and check out Wednesday's episode. Yeah, but page, We got, Winston, you're in good shape for this year. You're in good shape for this year. We're approaching. We're almost at 400. We're about 380. Right now, about 380 on Patreon.

When people go to patreon.com slash the big thing show, you sign up. By the time we get to 1,000, Winston, we'll have to go to Halloween Harrow at Nights next year, most likely. We've got other things that we've got a lot of different tiers on there that I'm just excited about, that if you want to support the show and you're able to support the show. But we have a lot of benefits that we're doing in general, and I'm doing these, one. on one sessions that I've been doing for a long time. I do about 12 of those. You've got about a half an hour with me. But there's also another one where at the $35 tier, you have these 15-minute sessions.

They're unlimited. And you basically have 15 minutes with anybody from the crew and you don't know who you're going to get. It's like a surprise. So join on up today. It's the, it's patreon.com slash the big thing show. Guys, Loki, season two, episode four. Winston and I have been raving about this since we saw it.

Koi, we're relying to you. No, you weren't. I love that that was kind of the opener for you guys because you'd watched all four. So you were like, you just wait. And then you were right. This, this episode was all the things I liked about the first episode in that it's really taught. It's really well directed. The cinematography is stunning. It plays with time in a way that doesn't feel disjointed. It feels very conscious. But it also feels like a narrative push. So it does everything the episode one did, but I think at a slightly higher scale. So I think this is my favorite episode of the season, putting it in contention for like one of the great MCU.

episodes. It is so well-paced. It is so well-acted. I love the cliffhanger. And I think the reason I'm excited for the Marvels ties into this episode in that I think this is the beginning of the breadcrumbs. I think they've been planning since phase four starting to germinate into what I think is going to be secret wars and King Dynasty. And I think it started in the finale. All right. We'll get into that for sure. But Winston, I mean, I said that and you said that. I think you said that. But that this is one of the best episodes of Marvel TV in a bit. and it's got a real holy crap moment at the end. Oh, yeah, dude.

I, you know, it's one of those situations where I love a good, um, you did it to yourself, like time shenanigan. And so like I kind of, there was a part of me that started to see where that was going. And I was like, oh, we're about to, I, I summoned my own patroness to save myself moment. And that, you know, this is a spoiler talk. So I guess I can talk about this. So Loki obviously pruning himself. Otherwise, he would have been screwed.

Right. So that was great But then I think just that You're like okay we're getting everywhere We kind of figured it out I do not know if I have laugh Screams so hard in my entire life Then Victor's telling me going

No I'll do it I have to be the one It has to be me that saves time It's my loom I will I will do it And they're like all right cool here's the suit You just got a hustle he's like okay here I go He didn't even get a second I couldn't believe it.

I should kill me. Because it was a great inversion of the suspense of the first episode. It's like, it's way more intense out there. Let's see what happens. Spaghetti. That's, to me, that is actually perfect comedy. And it was, it is such a dark comedy moment. It gave me the same vibes that I got from the beginning of the boys where he's

holding his girlfriend's hand. And it's like, baby a lot. Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah. And you felt that oomph in this episode. And it's four episodes slash if you want to look at it at 12. episodes of build up yeah and and the fact obviously it's not over but like the fact that again if for

those that are you're watching it episode by episode for us to get those first four we're like wow this is really going on a great ride and then to just leave us like this i have been miserable for weeks right and that's why this time i pace myself that's what's saying now everybody is now feeling the way that we are where's like where do you go from yeah because like what did they set him up timely so much Like he essentially is like where he who remains like, you know, he, that's who he is. Like, because that's he, he knew that, because I've read something on some comment, you know, basically it's an alternate timeline, but he is he who remains. And like, but now he's gone.

So what, what I love about what, this is prime example of when Marvel is doing things correctly. Yeah. It just runs. And in this particular moment, I'm thinking about the fact that, like, we have not seen anything beyond this flash. Every trailer, because I went back to double check, has only captured these first four episodes.

So we genuinely have no idea what's coming. And I think that in and of itself has built up a lot of suspense. And that was what they, when, again, when Marvel was at its peak, you might get some stuff here and there, but it's like Phanos's glove only has two stones in it. Hulk is running with the crowd when in actuality he's not there.

It's that little, we're not giving it to you yet. You got to get in there to like get the surprises and that's what keeps you like, oh shit, what is going to happen? Do you think they can put the genie back in the bottle to scale with how culture has shifted with expectation of Easter eggs? Like I do feel like, and I worry the TikTokification of society has ruined the ability to keep things close to the best. Oh, of course it has. But I will say that we have seen enough examples of stuff dabbling in the social media marketing, but not, are you concerned about because this episode is out, someone's already ruined this? No, I'm worried about the fact that we need to go back to Marvel not showing everything, and I don't know if they feel secure in doing that. It would be the smartest thing for them to do.

Do you see them saying, though? Like, they've gotten so used to being like, okay, it's the week. Like one of our later stories that I'm worried about is we have numbers that are, low, we need to leak this thing. Or, oh, no, this got out. Or let's put it in a trailer. Like, I'm worried that Marvel thinks they need to show their aces. I'll put it to you this man, man, man. Pre-strike a couple years ago to have been the end of 2020, I was auditioning to be a lead of a show or whatever. They ended up going a different direction. Like, I was at the final negotiations, all that kind of stuff. And it messed me up for a little bit after auditions because

I was like, damn, I was at the finish line, and I didn't quite get there. And it was, was me going to my acting teacher, you know, a few months after that being like, see, now the problem is you're so in your head about that stuff. You're doing things that are out of pocket of like your ability to do stuff. And the minute she got me to realize that, I was able to come back around and I started book and stuff again. Sure. So I think it's the same thing with Marvel. They've gotten so in their head because of all of the, oh, we got to keep up with this and TikTok that and all that. If they stop worrying about the outside influences and they just focus on what worked. Good storylines, good characters. and keeping us in suspense, really focusing on, which is why I think people like Gaffaude at, you know, Scorsese being like Marvel, you know, that's not real cinema. It can be when done properly.

And I think that's what they need to do. If you go back to being that true cinema, having that connecting event, all that kind of stuff, collectively, it'll come together. You won't have to do anything. And that's what was so thinking. It was effortless because they were so worried about telling a good story instead of, and bigger and more,

and bigger and more. Yeah, no, well, they're doing that in general with this show specifically. Specifically. Now, we're going to have a longer conversation about how they're probably going to have a couple more roadblocks in the next couple of months. Because there's just stuff that was in that regime. And it was already made. It was already made. And they're going to have that problem.

They're going to have that problem. I think, again, we'll get into it. But they're going to have the problem in November. They're going to have that problem. I think everything leading up to Deadpool, they're going to have that problem. I think a good thing is that problem might give Kevin Faggie more leverage to say, hey, when I was running things not under this regime, look what I was able to do. I'm hoping

I think he spread super thin and I think I already called that. Oh yeah, yeah, but I think it's good when these things again and again, it gives him more and more proof of like, let's do it this way. Yeah, and I think they're already aware of that. Well, because the leaks that came out through the book of like basically like they forced him to announce Fantastic Four.

Like we were at T-23 together and we talked right after and we both talked about how it felt like they had to say it and then at Comic-Con when someone asked about it and then the director was just like in the crowd and It felt almost like flipping. It felt literally like, I know you have to have me say this. And I'm really wondering if that'll give Figey even more leverage to hold things even closer to the chest because it's proven that we'd rather wait and be surprised.

Maybe so. But I mean, like, let's, we'll have a longer Marvel conversation because, but I want to kind of focus on this episode. Yeah, because just like this episode in general was, as you guys are saying, it led up. I love the first episode. Winston and I were clearly in the minority where number two. people seem to like that one too. I'm curious now that people have seen these four and then we're all on the same page as what they've seen.

They may have liked two. I'm curious where they rank it amongst the four episodes. Well, what I saw last week, I was, again... People were digging two more than three. I know. I'm really... Normally, my fingers on the pulse with a lot of the same on the tone, right?

I'm like, okay, you know, maybe sometimes I'm on the same page or I'm on like, you know, 50-50. I was both times. I saw people going, oh, I like the... the second one better than the third. And you know what it was? Some people, I didn't, but I get it. Some people have a problem with the way that Jonathan Majors is playing timely.

Which I adore personally. Interesting. Like, I could see where the way that he's talking, the choice that he's made. Like the stutter? Is grading to them, right? I get it. I like the character choice. I think that it's one of these things where it's like almost where this guy over thousands of years will evolve.

well, now he won't, but you see where he could have evolved. And yeah, it's very, it's, I like the choice, but I get it. But I still think more so in your question, not about one and two, but more so about three. After watching episode four, do you enjoy three more? That's what I'm curious about, because to me, three I liked when I watched it, but I watched four right afterwards. I did, too. Yeah, I think four is the best. I, for me, it goes, I think, four, one, three, two.

I would agree. I would, uh, 4,3, 1,2. Oh, okay. Yeah,

I, I, I really, once, once we introduced Victor, that, something shifted completely for me. And like,

I, I already liked it prior to that, but like something full, we just took off. Um, and I think, you know what? I think part of it,

too, is because we finally got to the root of what our story is for this season. Like, you, you got a little bit of a teasing of it in the first two episodes, but we finally were like, okay,

they're trying to bring human rooming back. And so now this is, but slash the loom is falling apart. Two feels even more disjointed for me after three and four, because it feels like one, three and four or one show. Two's a side mission to explain parts of three. And two feels like its pacing is off even more because of how good the pacing is in three and four.

And I get the events of three couldn't have happened to that, the events at the end of two. But if two had been paced like three and four, I would have been like, what a masterful season to TV so far. Instead, I'm like, you know, I'm really liking this, but that two felt off. My favorite, what's your favorite moment of episode four? it, it, it would be a tie between, a three-way tie between, um,

Victor meeting OB and that whole, that geeking out where they're like obsessed with each other. You inspired me. No, you inspired. And that back and boris. That was genius. That was the, that was. It's so genius. They literally have the definition of oribor's in front of them.

And neither of them is acknowledging that OB is an orabors, which is why I think that he's invented by Kang as a mirror. Yeah. So I think that, that moment. I think the convincing the rebels to join us or die

and Wolf decides to do it and so like you don't actually need to see the gore we saw enough of what that machine can do there's certainly a part of me it's a great moment

I think I've seen too much of stuff like the boys and things like that where I was like just show me but I realize it's still Disney the only R thing that they have coming at all is Deadpool so I don't think it was effective though they didn't need to

my favorite part So we're calling him Brad, I guess, right? When Brad pruned the overreactor. Yeah. Oh, my God, I've gone now. Bring it down. Yeah. What's your you are?

Watch the reactors. My third favorite is a thousand percent. I've got to. I've got it. I've got it. I literally yope. It was a crazy moment. That was a crazy moment.

I love how I genuinely the whole episode didn't. know whether to trust Victor because of not only major's performance, but also because of we know who he becomes. And his actions being mostly altruistic, except for like the moment with Rivana and all those things. It's such a good, like, walk the eggshell line. He's been a piece of shit the whole

time. Oh, 100%. I'm going to start using, I'm going to start using the noises for you. That's two. I've been on one. I've definitely been on one. Yeah, no, I mean, the fight he, what, he, he scam the two investors. Oh, 100%. He scanned Ravenslayer. He scam his minutes though she was out here trying to get like now.

The thirst is so funny. That was an element of the third episode I thought was hilarious. Because why wouldn't an AI have self-sufficient ego avoiding this? Please tell me the thing you saw, you saw the thing I retweeted about it though. Oh, genius. Genius. After we talked about it, I went, yeah, it's so good. It's a visual joke.

And it's a visual joke. And it is an adult visual joke. So just go look at my Twitter. Check this. Check it. It's hilarious. Yeah. Follow.

Am I? That you blurt? No, but I. I like the overall, again, where I just, at the end of it, when I said, I was doing a reaction to it, it was like, where do you go here? Like, like what happens? Theory? Yeah. This is, I think, what sets up to Marvel's.

I think this right here is the beginning of what I've been saying since the beginning of phase four. I think this is the moment where the loom breaks and all timelines are part of Marvel. And now because of this, we find out that certain elements we've seen in phase four are not the same universe. we find out that the Fox universe, the Sony universe, every universe, everything that is a Marvel character is now canon because of the loom breaking at the end of episode four. I think the Marvels takes place because the movies are always going to be bigger than the shows. I think the Marvels is going to introduce ideas that basically Loki is going to introduce beforehand. I think Loki loom breaks, all timelines are open. Every Marvel character in the history of filmmaking is canon in the MCU now because the loom breaks and all time is possible.

and then in the Marvels, when they're hopping around between each other's, like existences, we meet characters from other universes that then Deadpool has to deal with. You think that's going to happen?

I think this happens within the end of Loki. I think Loki Lube breaks. Oh, I think the Marvels is going to have hella camies. I like your... I think it's at the very end I think they're quick,

but I think it opens up. I like the innovation. I think we would have heard about... Listen, they're talking about and we'll get... This will be one of the stories we're talking about, too. again, not the actual who the cameo is,

but there's a big, like, there was a leak on who the post-credit scene cameo is in this movie. I don't tell me. I'm not. I'm not. But that seems great. It does, but it also seems like it was done recently, and it seems like we would have heard about that a long time ago. Look, it's been done that recently.

If they shot it, even if they shot it three months ago. Yeah. Like, you know. I think they're leaking it to get numbers up. I honestly think that it's what you teach. at the start of the show. I think they're black adaming this. But I do think the end of the movie is what I'm describing,

and that is just a leak to get people in seats because the numbers aren't tracking. It's a week after the numbers came out low, and it's something that we would have heard about if it was going to leak. So I think it's a controlled leak. I do too. I absolutely do too.

But I think there's way more in the faucet. I just think that it's also, they haven't promoted that that's kind of what the story is about. You know, it's like maybe they should... But we haven't seen a lot of what the story actually is. That's a problem, though, too, because if the cameo is one thing, and yes, you're probably right. It was probably shot months ago and then they leaked it.

Sure. Okay, they conceded that. Absolutely. But if it was going to be part of the story and they're not promoting it as that, dumb because they could have, they could have. Well, that ties into our last conversation. Kevin Faggy wanted to button things up again. Imagine if he gets control again.

His first movie back as like, you know, Iger's regime, he's not going to be like, okay, let's do what we've done wrong and show everything. He probably wanted to keep it all close to the best. Now the numbers come out dry and he's like, okay, this one, we got to, like, give him a little something. Do you know what I mean? I feel like it's a lot of puzzle pieces. Or I could just be totally wrong. When you're talking about it with all the multiverse stuff that you're talking about with the loom and all this stuff too for the casual fan, it's got to make your mind just melt.

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All right, let's jump to this first story. Let's just stay with the Marvels, man. All right, the Marvels. We got the movie's coming out on, what's it, the 10th or something? Yeah. And then the screening is on that Tuesday. Essentially, the movie comes,

it really comes out on the 9th. It's effectively the 9th. It comes out on the 9th. Yeah. So the movie, the screenings on the 8th. The social embargo releases immediately after you see the movie. And then the review, embargoes the next day so you've got a little over 24 hours before there's a review out that's a

scary that's a scary thing that's part one that's typically a red flag that's a red flag the other red flag this is the shortest Marvel movie in history this has been confirmed at 144 minutes a hundred four an hour and 45 minutes so so an hour and that's completely different right not 100 144 is a long movie yeah that's 224 it's a long week no excuse me 100 100 is an hour and 45 minutes that's the other two that were shorter than that or were held or held the record before that was incredible Hulk and Thor Dark World. This is now they have those leaks that we just talked about. As of today, as of the taping, the three actresses who the chemistry really is the selling point

of this movie cannot promote this movie yet. This movie is in trouble from the look of it. now if you are looking at coy's theory that this could set up other things um and i think it if coys theory is correct and people start popping into this movie like big cameos and they don't promote with this colossal error because the opening weekend they're just well word them out people will talk about how you got to go see it it it ain't gonna happen that's that's that's a that's a that's a that's a dangerous plan but it's but whose fault is that honestly i'm like i i i'm like i i Like, I get it, but now, now we're talking, we're talking,

studios could have stepped up a long time ago because you know you needed the women, these ladies to be out there. Sure. So, you know, obviously one studio does not run all of AMPTP, so that's a whole other conversation. Netflix doesn't care about Disney's money. Right, right.

It's literally a situation where all of the bad things that have happened box office-wise to a number of these films has... Could have been avoided. But, or at least could have been helped. It could have been helped. I think the problem is it helps some studios that weren't strike. I think like streaming numbers are, I mean, what? Netflix went up 12% in their stock.

For streaming, yeah, but for box office. No, no, box office is a screw, but I think the AMPTP being part streamers, part box office, they're literally budding against their own self-interest. Of course. And I think that, well, that's, I, look, Zazlov is absolutely pounding on their doors going, we got to get this done. He's got Wonka, he's got Aquaman. He's like November 1st supposed to start the Batman filming.

He's got stuff also in the can't do film. He's not going to be just free. When this book comes out, I want to see like when he started pushing it. I bet you wait what book I'm just saying when they write the book about the strikes the HBO Mac series coming out in like 2027 it's gonna be great it's really great so yeah well he'll be very one-sided oh that's true Zaslobs played by Tom Cruise he comes flying yeah with like like a glow around him everybody's applauding him as he like lands he's Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise at different

ages he well he's homelander um Christians in and as the angry guy calling him Zoloft he's killed off screen immediately I just dropped It's bad girl out of window. I know, I know. Oh, my God. But, yeah, but so, so this movie, man, like we've talked about this for a while,

how we just think it's, it's got problems, right? It does not feel like we have a marble in a too much. It doesn't. And the other problem with it is to, besides the obvious, they can't promote it and all that stuff. This is where, as you, my Deadpool thing, they have to basically do the same thing that DC is doing right now.

They have to take everything that they have and go, we have all this, good luck. See how you do, basically throwing it out of the bird's nest and saying, I hope you can fly, but you're most likely going to crash, and then we're going to pretend we have, we're not going to pretend, we have other kids that we're going to deal with. That's really what Marvel's going to, and DC are going to have to do with both DC with Aquaman, Marvel with the Marvels, which they're putting out, they're

going to cross their fingers and hope that it at least makes a profit, which I don't even know if it's going to do that. Then they got Echo, they're dumping out in January all at the same time. Agatha, whenever that's coming out. I think Halloween. Right. So they're, and then. Next, year. Yeah, yeah. I was like, bro. Okay. So that'll come

no, no, no. Where Wolf by night re-released color is their big release. All right. So Agatha actually might have hope

then because Agatha is going to come out after Deadpool. Yes. Deadpool is going to and needs to be the reset of the, this is the Marvel that you know.

Yeah. And this is what the story is. And I think that's smart to have like Sean Levy is a genius and Hugh Jackman and Ron Reynolds teaming up after all these years is such a tent pole.

I'm worried about cap four. Right. Because cap four theoretically, they haven't officially officially said it, but I think is going to take the date of Deadpool in May. And I think that would put Deadpool either in July, which be great if it took the Iron Man date, which is, you know, no, Iron Man's the May date.

Cap 4 is getting the Iron Man date, and then July would be, historically, Iron Man always came out. Sorry, that's just. I thought that was May. It's like, yeah, that's the Deadpool had had. Oh, so you're saying have Cap 4 is getting the Iron Man, Avengers date. Exactly.

And then put that as the big summer, later summer release in July. But that's still, a really ambitious date for, I mean, so I think Deadpool might end up in November or a December movie because you need a big tent pole release date for something that's important. And that puts them in a tricky spot because then Cap 4 is not a family. It's not a dis. I mean, especially an R-rated first Marvel film.

But then Cap 4 is, you know, theoretically mostly done. And that's, you got to get that out. And you've got a trickiness because cap four seems to tie directly into Thunderbolts, whereas Deadpool 3, if my theories are correct, tie into Secret Wars. And when Thunderball is gone. That can start filming yet. They probably pushed that at the end of the year. year or next year. I mean, 20, 25. Yeah. And I think Thunderbolts is in a really tricky

spot because you look at what they were trying to do with Thunderbolts is a villainous Avengers squadron. That means you have to cast huge and that means those availability are mush. People aren't even talking about the fact that when the strikes over, not only is there a big rush back to work, but how many actors had five projects at once? Who gets to bid on who gets them first? Well, the answer to that is a lot of them have to sign first position. So a lot of people are going to be, a lot of studios are going to be pissed. But again, you did it to yourself. And the Thunderbolt poster might change. Right, yeah, right.

Yeah, that's true. Do you know what I mean? Like that, that's eight lead actors. And like there's stuff we haven't been confirmed with. We talked about a D23, how there's gaps in that poster. There's definitely more Thunderbolts. Will there be? Well, I mean, and you start to play into the stuff that goes further into the future with Blade and Fantastic Four.

Remember Blade? Bro, I am so worried my Herschel is going to walk. I don't, who would blame him? After as long, as long as this has been going on, the directors, the script. It's just a pandemic. Strike. I am so scared he's going to walk. And that sucks because you're talking about one of the best actors in this generation.

How old is he? Probably like late 30s? I think he's like mid-40s. I think he's like 43. What's really? Like 50 by the time this movie comes out. What really sucks is the book that they, so Marvel is smart. They basically have comics come out right around the time the movies come out.

And they're not like tied together, but it's like, remember how much you love this character. And they're usually like a pretty original number one. Oh my God. He's 49. Whoa. Yeah, he's not playing. He looks amazing. Black, black don't crack.

Forty-nine. He's not going to play Blade. But usually comics come out, like a new number one drops that is very accessible around the time of movie is about to come out in a month. The new Blade comics on its issue six. We literally are on six months into when it needed to have come out and it hasn't shot at frame yet. He's not going to play him. That's such a bummer.

Dude, he'll be like, let's say hypothetically. Hypothetically, the movie comes out in four years? Hypothetically. It would be 54 years old playing blade. It's crazy. even if he gets one movie out. And you'd want him from the mid-chons. You want him for a run.

And let's say they want him to do three movies. He's going to be in the 60s playing Blade? Yeah. I mean, that's like, like Wesley Snipes is in the 60s now. That's such a physical role, too. Like, if you rewatch those old blades, the amount of the thing that works is Wesley on camera where he his face. I mean, it's in the same vein of Captain America,

which is also makes sense why Chris Evans would want to step back. you're talking about a lot more specific martial arts, a lot of short work, a lot of like, you know, knowing different styles and stuff like that. Iron Man, like, yes, there's stuff to do, but like it's mainly greens can put you in a helmet. Same thing with Hulk, like, you're greened up, like, whatever, whatever, but like the Captain America's, the Deadpool's,

which you could still get away with because of a mass. And Thor is a very open face, but that's like super heroic flying. Yeah, like that's not the same type of choreography. And I think Chris can keep doing it because he's a specimen. And we're going to get into Thor in a bit. in a second too because there's some news that came out about Thor. And I think it kind of pertains to all this. But let's talk about the Marvels real quick.

Optimism, I get. Yeah, that's my optimism is that I now think it might be a, it might kick off what I think is coming earlier. Now, that's a different question, no, from what I'm saying, about to ask you, though. You can be optimistic of what it can potentially do for the story. Shortest runtime. Screening when they're screening it.

The main actors can't promote. Trailers have been okay. Does this movie lose money for Marvel now? Okay. Optimistic view of all those things. Maybe, and this is Playing Devil's Advocate, maybe the screening so late because of the amount of surprises and they don't want people at variety

and certain online outlets leaking that, you know, Harry Styles is here. Maybe it is a short movie because they realize how bloated some of the other ones have felt for audiences after the long run times. They wanted something quick and spit and fire and fun. Like, could be intentional. And I'm hoping that,

The reason the embargo is so late is because they were hoping the strike would end and they could have them promoted. These are all my hopes. Yeah, right. But I am worried those variables, if it was me not being optimistic, are all scary, but I hope that's why. I think, I don't think it's going to make money. Yeah. I think it'll break even. Break even.

And if not even, like, you're short, maybe two or three mil. Like, I think it'll just come under slash. I think that's more. I think that's a fair assessment. I think that it'll get close to breaking even, you know, with marketing and everything too. But the other thing that we didn't really talk about to is inside of that Marvel book that everyone was in talking about. It's been it's been documented also that Brie Larson is done with this role. She does not.

You could tell at that interview when, I think it was D23 when the dude asked her. And she was like, I don't know. Does anybody still want me to play it? People thought that, oh, no, no, she was just saying that she, and then you came out in that Marvel book. She's just done with it. She's done with the toxic. I don't blame her, bro. Life is too short, even for, even for an Oscar winning, especially for an Oscar winning, like, you know, actress. Like, why, why would you continue to put your, your heart and your soul into something when everything is an attack? I feel like you either have the, the, the Breilarsen stands that just love her as a whole talking about her, but then most of it is people shitting on her for, sorry, for, for, for, for this, like, I just, I don't blame her. I think that, you know, one of, you know, one of, one of, you know, one of, of these things that I, we literally just had a conversation. We have conversations a lot

time about social media, whether it's a small show like us. I, and I know people have very different philosophies than I do too. I don't understand why people still use social media for certain things. And I get, I get that people have a platform. You follow them for a certain reason. You follow them. It's their social media. They're allowed to do whatever they want. It's not like what people start talking about different things like say on this show and you follow it for movie news and we start talking about like you know whatever it might be and you're like well that's not what i subscribe to you for that's one thing you start following me on my social media platform and i start talking about politics and this other thing um which i don't but if i did you're like well why are you

talking about you're talking about movies no no that's my personal thing i can do that but i don't understand, unless you're in that space, if you're in politics, if you're in that thing, the way that I feel, and I know that this is maybe a controversial point of view, but I just feel like if somebody is a far right person or somebody's a far left person and they're screaming out on their Twitter and they're going after people with opposing point of views, my thing is this. Who you win and over? Because all you're getting, in my opinion, is those people who are agree with you, are going, yeah, tell them. And the ones who don't are going, F you, even more than they did before. And I think that the goal in a conversation in general is like, well, I like that

person in face-to-face conversations. I feel this way. You feel that way. Hopefully we have conversation enough to me to say to you, oh, I understand that point. That's never done on social media. And I bring that up because another thing is, Brie Larson is a massive figure. And I, I'm her PR person, and I'm going, she's involved in charities. She's involved in a lot of great things. I'd be like, why are you stressing yourself out by going out there and making, like, you know, big statements against other things? Like, who, I mean, I guess because she's a platform and you want her to, there's certain

things that she said, I think that she had to walk back comments at times too, and she's like, I don't know, it's just, I just feel that there's certain times at celebrities, like, look at Gina Carano, right? Gina Carrano heard herself in a certain way, but other people on the far right will say, no, she didn't. She stood up for what she believed in it, and now she's got a big audience. And maybe that's the case

for that side of it, but the other thing is she's now not working there. Well, good, she doesn't need Disney. And maybe she doesn't care. Maybe she doesn't care. But then the same side of it, like, I think that when Brie Larson, I think, you know, had kind of gone after male white critics or whatever. It's like, male white critics, shouldn't watch my movies or why is it. She didn't say it like

that, but that's the way people took it. She didn't say that. Which is wild. Well, let me clarify. what she said. What she said was something along the lines of like when I walk into the room, I know what she was trying to say. She was trying to say that it would be nice that it should, the entire room should be

diversified. And it should be like there should be, there should be white critics. There should be black critics. It should be. But the way that it was directed, it seemed like she was saying, I don't want to just look out and see white critics. I want to see everyone else. And it's like, have it. You want to include everybody is what you're saying.

And I knew that's what she meant. And I think it was admirable. but if you don't say the right thing, or say it the right way, rather, you're going to have people who want to hate your guts. I've done it. I've been on that side. I fucked up, and I did the whole thing with the, you know,

with Galaxy's Edge. I got mad. I got upset. I was in a bad place in my life, said it, and people who hated my guts said, ha-ha, I got you, motherfucker. And that's what happens. So you've got to be careful with every little thing that you say

when we're on a small space like this, Do you see the point I'm trying to make? No, I 100% get it. I think what makes me really sad in the era that we're in, period, is that there is no longer space for nuance at all. Right. I think if you really took two seconds to get out of your own way and to look at what she said,

it was very clear that the only thing that she was saying is like, hey, man, the two leads of this film are a woman and a black man. I would be cool to see more women and black men, like, or black people in general. But she didn't say that. I understand that. I understand that. But I'm saying, instead of, me and you got what she was saying. People were looking, because they always are.

They were looking for a reason to go. Yeah. You hate us. You hate us. And that's not what she was saying. And that's, and that's, that I get so tired of people intentionally being obtuse. Because the truth is, there are people that are actually saying effed up things on either side one way or the other that are actually meant to and those are the things that should be

called out but if all she's saying and you can clearly tell yeah and and what that feels like to me is a situation of like you know whether it's her or anybody else that's ever done something like that it's like someone's trying to give you some real talk someone's trying to give you some medicine and because you don't like the flavor of it you can kiss my ass so and i think people just want to feel like they belong and i think that it's really interesting in that we're entering the most technologically advanced time of all time as we always are things are evolving, things are getting stronger and more efficient. So we have more time overall. And I think, you know, the idle hands concept has lended itself to we don't meet in public as much.

We don't have a sense of community as much, especially in L.A., especially in these big cities. Like we're up more and more isolated. So our sense of community comes from what we believe in. And that's why I think the far right, far left has gotten so aggressive is like, I want to believe in this thing to feel like I belong. And then online is the only place we actually communicate it. So I think the polarization is getting worse because it's people trying to identify with something. And I know I struggle with if I don't identify with something that that fits into the alignment of my supposed ideology, then it's like, othering. And it's really alarming when you've got people at these giant platforms that are appealing to so many people that if they don't tick every single box, they're suddenly villainized. And it really worries me long term that we're going to have so many little pockets and so many different ways that people are like, this is my thing, this is my thing.

And I think that's why I personally struggle to not use my platform to attack people because I want the people that feel like, they fit into the comic niche or the movie niche or whatever else shouldn't take people's crap. But I agree with you that I shouldn't be the one yelling at people because it's not the good use of my platform. But it is me wanting people to feel safe on the platform. And I think that's coming from like reading years of comics and things you're going to suck. And feeling bullied over there. I get it. And so you want and you want to be able to fight back.

But that's a tricky. That's what she did. And now she's in a spot. Because the problem also is that when it comes to social media and comments and everything too, like I said, if we have a full on conversation, the three of us that we don't agree with each other on. We'll talk eye to eye. We'll have a conversation and we'll figure out what the issue is. In however many characters it is on Twitter

and you don't know the kind of animosity that if it is animosity or not animosity, you see someone who has a thing about Spider-Man or says something about Spider-Man to you. And you're like, I don't know who you are. I'm never going to see you again, so I'm going to call you this. And I think that's one of the problems

that we run into in general with social media. And I also think that it's one of the problems that we run into when you're a celebrity. Like you come in, you have a guest? I'm just laughing because I can't actually say it But did you do ever watch the boondocks at all Yeah, I did when I was on

Okay Do you remember the third episode It was either the third of the fourth episode Where we get introduced to stink meter And they describe what's a moment Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah That's what everything's become at this point Everything has become a moment

And essentially what it is It's just like a Spider-Man Is not as good as a superhero as Batman What the fuck? Do you say, You want to die, you want to die And that's literally.

Yeah, I said it. Twitter is that. Yeah. Well, I had, I think it's social media in general. Yeah. And it's also, I said this in one of my things.

It's like, what, at what point, like movies have always been political. Movies have always been, that there's this whole interview that just came out with George Lucas recently,

not recently, but when it's been making its rounds recently. The first Star Wars was all about, you know, it was fascism and in all. Of course, it was all government-based and politically and all.

it's the way that audiences have how polarizing politics and what side you're on in politics today is the same way that it is with movies and TVs and that's what it was never and people are oh it's always been like that no it was not and when I started doing this with Ellis back in 2008 it was not like if you didn't like something you weren't like on the others team you were on the other team if you did and if like I guess like we'll get it all the time like I had gotten one thing. I've been, I criticized, if I, if I say something about Kathleen Kenny, then I, oh, I hate Lucasfilm and I'm, why don't I even bother Star Wars? And then the flip side of it, if I like an episode of Asoka, I'm a shill. And it's like,

it's like, or what's the agenda? Right. There's not to be agenda by liking or disliking something and that's become a narrative. It's become a way to get clicks on your videos too. And it's like, well, no, no, no, come join us on our sign because we're against that regime. We're against that. And then the other side of it is too, like, no, you, you, You hate all those hate mongers. We love everything. And I'll tell you what, if you don't, then you're a hate monger too. And it's like, this ain't politics.

What's crazy? I had my first, like, two weeks ago, someone tagged me in a video that it was literally a five-minute edit of me talking about the marvels. And they don't even have the time to edit my video. I, that's why I don't do YouTube. Someone took more time than I. It was like- They were chopping it up everywhere out of your mouth. And they'd be like backtracked here.

I, this guy, how does she identify? Oh, it's about you now. Oh, it's about you now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, like. You like things. Oh, do you enjoy? How's that for you?

Like, it's like, the marvels. Oh, he said the marvels. Oh, my God. You're not going to get it. See, from this coin. You're not going to get it. That video was my moment of someone spent upwards of like four hours or more on editing something that took me five minutes to say.

And that was their way of finding a tribe because it had like 5,000 like likes and like, you know, 100 something comments. And I was like, oh, I can help this person find their little tribe. But it's scary that people can bond over hate so much easier than love. It's politics. It's addiction. I'll be honest with you. It's the same. We've gotten addicted to so many things like social media. The fact that you're given shows to binge all in one moment. We have we are chasing that crazy dopamine rush over and over again and the high that then comes from I'm edited it. It took me 10 hours, but I edited Kho's five minute rant into this 20 minute video and I hit a hundred thousand views. I've never hit. 100,000 views. Holy crap, I got to do this more.

100%. Of course. I look forward to the sequel, but I just wish they found something like more exciting. Like I can't wait for whatever they bring next. Like it's got to be good. I will watch.

I will share. But I just want, I want people to be able to have as much rush out of the love of loving something like they used to. Like in 08, like I honestly think people loved stronger before the internet and I think it's diminishing returns. I think we're loving things less.

And we can put exclamation points. We can do all caps. We can go to a theater and scream and ruin the experience for other people, but it's not authentic love. No, it's like the old school thing. I mean, it's still works, but like, like sex sells, right? Right. And it's now it's hate cells.

Not for Gen Z. Not for Gen Z. I thought, do you see that thing? You see what I retweet. That was insane. You see what I was what I just said though. Hate is more popular. I didn't see your tweet.

All I know is is I saw, I'm trying to remember who I essentially said, me too. I saw it was Jen, it was a Gen Z basically for people who were talking about. But people who don't know what we were talking about is basically Gen Z wants less sex in movies and I went back and I found an old gift of Mark Andrako From Smodown and it just said I something along the like I do not agree or something like

Or don't or speak for yourself He says Fair, okay I saw something where someone was like Who the hell were they asking because all I know is in high school I was always trying to find the movies with the tities in them And I said me too I think that they just have so much more access to that We had to wait like 40 minutes into the movie and pause it

Now they can just click over to the various tabs and find them. You can create it. Yeah. Yeah. You can make like me and whoever AI on tattooing. Sand gets everywhere. And us imagination. Oh, side.

Oh, yeah. Oh, is that in the static? And now it's like, Koi Jan Drew walks into a side boom and gets awarded a million dollars as he walks in. Validation while watching that YouTube video of him. That was one of my favorite moments in family guy. It was a very small cutaway. It was like, look at this side boob.

Look at that side boob. Look at this side boob. That's my side. It's going to be weird once Gen Z becomes the suits because we're like, we'll still be old enough to be aware of the industry,

but I think it's going to be such a big shift. Like the polarizing between our generation and theirs is huge. All of the social media and generally when you're doing it, it's a gamble. What's going to work?

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seven days. See terms at casino.draftkings.com slash players choice. restrictions apply. Winston, how are you doing in the, how did you like that game last week with the commanders and the giants? Blast. We had no idea. So Ellis came over and he came over to watch with my buddy.

Oh yeah, I saw that picture. Yeah. I saw that picture. I didn't know the context. Did you see? I did. I did.

God, I'm so behind on my, on my sports victims units right now. But I did one about the Giants playing the commanders and how y'all are just in poverty right now. And it was literally two old men. and just like slap fighting against us. Because that's what that game looked like.

We were prepared to lose the whole time. Ellis just looked so sad. Wasn't it 14 to 7? Something like that. It was gross. All right, let's move on to other sad news. All right, I talked about this yesterday on the show, but I want to get the guy's opinion.

So there's rumors now, guys, that Thor 5 is indeed in the works. There was rumors that it wasn't in the works. There was rumors that Tyca was coming back in the beginning of the year, and now the rumors are that Thor is coming back and that Tyca is not. So I guess the question is this. Let's say, first of all, should Thor be coming back in general? Should they just put it to rest? And if they do bring him back, is this the wrong decision,

Winston, to have Tyca not come back? You die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Clearly, Tyca's second timeout with the franchise did not go the way people were hoping. It was a little too silly, a little too loose. It had taken what seemed like a nice turn from overly serious to like finding the comedic source of Thor. but that that became the main focus in that fourth movie, and it was too much. You know, it's not to say that Tyca couldn't rein it back in,

but I think Tyca is probably over it. If I'm being honest, because he has so many of the things, our flag means death apparently has been doing phenomenal. So, like, you know, he's got other things to worry about. Of course he does. He's got a lot of other things to worry about. But, Koi, you know, one of the things that he also mentioned is that I don't, I actually think Tyca would have come back if they asked him to,

And I think that one of the things like I mentioned yesterday, Chris Hemsworth said on Josh Harwitz's podcast, it was too silly. He would want it to kind of be revamped if they were going to do another one. And I think because of Guardians of the Galaxy 3, they looked at that and said, okay, our old regime is still pulling. Yeah. We've talked about it numerous times that there's not a lot of all stars. That's one of your all stars. If you can get them back, I saw a lot of suggestions yesterday on the show of Kenneth Brana coming back and finishing it out. what do you think they would need to do?

What kind of tone should be set if they're going to do a fifth Thor and do you think it's the right move? I think Brande is a good realistic pull, especially with how much he's working with Disney with those mystery films, which I dig, man. I love those movies.

I, Pike Dream, you kill the daughter, you make a dark Robert Eggers Thor. I'd make like, you know, the Norseman with Thor and you make it dark, you make it moody, you make it an experience, and you end Thor in a really high note.

You make them more like, you know, the old mythology, or do like I'll you know Walt Simonson Thor can now come back to reality now reality is you know no killing children at Disney uh they can put them in cages but I would do um something that would balance the paternal element of like a odinson like like a Thor as the father like a you know a king Thor because the thing king Thor stuff really works in the comics where they have like him as an authority figure and that would allow like the namesake the varsity player but maybe him bringing in a new generation like him

as this, kind of what they tried to do with Paul Red, but it didn't really work. But have that element of like King Thor be central, have it more intense, more action-based, but really bring in the first movie sensibilities with, I want the tone of Infinity War and in-game Thor. I think that's the best we've ever had Thor. And the reason it was good was because there were dramatic and comedic elements all around him, and it wasn't just him bearing the tone. And he was funny, but he was also, of course, the rabbit stuff.

But it's because he had such a good support network. I think the character is really difficult in the comics. It's really difficult in movies when he's doing his own thing because it's a god amongst heroes that are mortals. I think you need a really good support system around them. So Thor 5, if you want to end it on a high note, make sure it's a big Thor-centric story, but a lot going on. Look at what they're doing with Loki. Look, he's a god. You know, they're doing it.

Like, Loki, to me, this is the best version of Logan. He's not the lead. Yeah, true. But he's to me. That's what you need the Thor, I think. You need him. Like, I couldn't agree with you more. I think Infinity War, Thor.

is the best Thor that we've gotten so far. Hell, bring the Rousseau's back. For Thor, I mean, it would be interesting, but I don't think they would come back for that. I think they would want to come back to a little bit more epic. They might. They liked them in, didn't they put them in extraction? Yeah.

Yeah, that's true. But also, I see them coming back for Secret Wars or bust, and if they're not coming back for that, I don't think they're coming back. Right. Because, I mean, they're making all that hand over fist money at Netflix, and I think they're happy making their stuff. I personally really dug their,

um, Chris Evans, uh, Ryan Gosling movie. Oh yeah, me too Yeah, it was in 90s. We talked about that. We were the only two at that screening, but we were like, bro. The gray man. Yeah.

My boy Emmy was in that. It's great. I rewatch that one recently holds up. Like, I want more movie. I'd rather have five movies like that or three more extractions than a Thor five. So if that's going to be the cost, keep them retired.

If you could rein it back in, I don't think he would do it, but I would love, like, Matthew Vaughn to come in and close it out. He's got so much stuff for now. He's got a lot going on. But kick ass is coming back. But you're talking about how to take something, make it serious and dark, and have that humor element.

It kind of falls right in line with the Infinity War mentality if you win and got it. Well, Thor even, if they were going to do a fifth one, does that even come out before Secret Wars or after? I have no idea. It depends on if they're going to decide to rewrite their roadmap that they decided to show everybody. And then Chris Hemsworth, first of all,

had said at one point he wanted to step back a little bit from acting. and he'll all, you know, he's also, that's a lot of, that's a lot to put in your body. Yeah, he, he said he'd never get that jacked again. I don't blame him, but that's why I think, like, more of an Odinson role. Yeah, that'll be, it'll be interesting. So what do you guys think? Go ahead and comment and let me know what you think about that, but I want to close out with this one because Winston's got to go here in a second.

But, and this one will actually be something that we'll talk about, but we won't spoil at all because Winston actually hasn't seen it. Gen V, it is the, uh, Spinoff to the boys. And Koi had seen all the episodes that said, listen, man, you guys got to see this show you like, especially you like the boys. And I'll tell you, Koi, you were right.

Yeah, it's really good. I really enjoy it a lot. My wife, she walks by, my wife. She's walks by, she goes, what are you watching a CW show? They light it like a CW on purpose. I know. I'm like, no, it's not.

She's like, oh, you're watching that teeny show again? I'm like she's like we're trying to recapture your youth I'm like I know it's from the boys and then she walks she's like why does that girl have a tail? And I'm like go away bro I'm like go away. I'm like see what she does with that tail. I'm sure and I'm like I like go go away. She's like well no she's like explaining me why she has a tail I go you've seen five minutes of the boys I go we're going to be here for four months and I have another story that I'll

tell you guys after but like that's how I went through a lot last night. but we don't have much time. This shows great. Yeah. It's great. I was worried in the trailer because I didn't, the trailers didn't do it for me.

When I saw the trailer, I was like, oh, they're just going for shock value. They're just showing us, you know, all this stuff you liked in the boys, how crazy got in the boys. It's crazy he is too. And that's all in there,

but it's relevant. If it helps, they didn't do a good job advertising the boys when it first came out. It was the same thing where it was like, what the hell is? Is it just another superhero show? Who cares?

Yeah, this show is awesome. I think that that's what I will give Amazon credit. I feel like for a lot of their properties, they don't, they're very reminiscent of Marvel where they're not showing a lot. The only thing that's different is that Marvel at least had the laurels to rest on of look at all the success we've had. I think Amazon is starting to get to that space now where they're like, see, the boys was actually good.

Invincible was good. When you make risks, like you take risks to get art. And I think Amazon and Apple are uniquely positioned of like these are not, these are glamour projects for them. Amazon doesn't need a network. Apple doesn't need a network. They're both like, we'll make a weird thing. Oh, let's talk about our company.

Cool, net positive. I think we need more risks from studios like Barbie. I know it's in big IP and it's a big, not a gamble as far as like the bottom line, but people didn't think it's expect a billion dollars. It didn't get a billion because it was Barbie. It got a billion because it was Barbie, comma, it was good. I think Marvel needs to go back to,

hey, here's an unknown IP that everyone knows, not just the people like me, comma, it's exceptionally directed written, et cetera, et cetera. It's not, don't rest on the, the laurels. And I think that the boys is a great example, but I think even more so, Gen V could could have been what the trailer looked like, which I didn't watch till after I'd seen the show. And I, I would argue this is better world building between a shared universe than anything superhero. I was just going to say exactly that. I am more invested in these two shows.

I am more invested in this shared universe than I am in anything that Marvel has done over the last year or two years. This feels like phase two Marvel, where everything's hidden. Because the shared universe stuff, the way that they do it, they'll make, when I see it, I'm like, oh, cool. Oh, that's the doctor. That's that person. That's that, oh, that's that brand that plays there. If I wasn't paying attention, I wouldn't be lost at all to.

And it blends into the world. And there's constant mentions of things throughout this universe that you're like, oh, yeah, I remember that. And I said to myself, what if somebody watched this show first, would they be lost? No. No, they would not be lost. And it's still a commentary on, without spoiling anything. I love that this show is, if Vought is the superhero world looking down on people, This is what if people were looking up at a major corporation.

So it still has the insane commentary of Vought by way of Amazon, which is obviously great satire. They're just profiting off it. But it's interesting to see the commentary on this dystopian world of superheroes from the level of, they don't realize how messed up their world is, whereas you do in the boys very quickly. So you're seeing different timelines of trauma. And I like that it's shot like a CW show. So it feels totally different. But then they're using the shocking things more like a teen show would.

Like it's got the band wilder elements. When you say that, when you say that, there's a different. cheap. I'm just saying like that it's a trick on the CW like there were like Willow to me was a CW show and it was a reason why it bombed right like this show at the first at first glance if you're not really paying attention to it and you don't listen to the dialogue and you go oh was that a CW show like my wife yeah but when you listen to the dialogue and you look at the relationships and you hear like the way that the world building is like oh this is the any this is the farthest thing from a CW show because I don't even want to really I'm not going to I don't want to get too much into the plot because

I want to ruin it for you. So all I'll say is that it's essentially, it takes place at the college where these superheroes are building themselves up to try to get, a lot of people have ambitions to try to get to the seven. But inside of the show,

there's other side things that are happening. Yeah. That have to, they have to maneuver around. I know you don't. You don't watch, read, follow anything my hero academia. Oh, yeah, up to season four.

Oh, you are. Yeah, yeah. I just haven't watched the most recent one now. The only reason why I ask is because I'm curious, does it feel like it's its own satire of that as well? It feels like where MHA is like playing with Western comics, this feels like it's playing with Western comic movies.

So like where MHA is a commentary on like Claremont X-Men and like a lot of that team building, this does that, but it's also dealing with things like body harm as a superpower and dealing with things like bulimia and how that might affect you. And like so all the college drama, all the college sex tropes,

but in the world of superheroes. So it's genius. And the other thing I will say what it does too. And we just talk about this recently. I think we might have been on on a livestream river too, and that people, oh, yeah, someone asked me a question in regards to, like, do we think that, like, wokeness is destroying, you know, just the business in general, right? And I said, it's a silly thing where people will rely on laziness to have that argument.

But what I will say is I do think there's a valid argument to sometimes where people will see, whether it's a corporation or whether it's a studio, and they'll go, you know what? Well, they're doing that. We need to do that now. And they essentially cover that kind of stuff in the boys and in this, too. And what they do is, and they say along the lines of, in our society, well, we don't want them to come after us on Twitter. So instead of casting that person, cast that person. I think that's unfair to everyone involved.

And then when it's done right, like this show. And it's done in a way, like the way that they kind of handle non-binary. Genius. Genius. Honestly, the way they handled non-binary. in the show is a great, hey, if you don't understand this concept, grandpa. It's genius. Like, it's such a good gateway into, like, look at this thing that your grandkids are dealing

with. Look at this thing your son is dealing with, your daughter. And it's done in a way, like there's this whole kind of X-Men thing, old-school X-Men like 2000s X-Men movies, you know, that kind of feels like it with the combination of the boys, you'll, you'll, listen, you'll love it. It's literally what I wanted Marvel to do with their TV, but to the adult scale that I wish Marvel would finally understand that we are. Because, again, 08 was, what, 15 years ago?

15 years ago means if you were five when Iron Man came out, you're 20, let's have some aged up stuff. The boys and GenV are literally the demo. Like, Marvel birthed an entire generation and that this show was capitalizing on it. Yeah, it's great. So if you have a chance to check it out, go ahead and check it out. Look, we talked, this is the thing of Capes and Cal's. We get into some great conversations.

So a lot of times, there might be some topics that we didn't hit on today and we'll get to them next week. But we covered Loki. We covered the Marvels and we covered, uh, a few other things. I know we can get to that Spider-Man thing, but we'll do it soon. I want to thank you guys for being here today.

Once again, if you can hit that like button, subscribe to the channel, and as always, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and patreon.com slash the big thing show, please. In the comments, by the way, give us a few suggestions of what you think Koi should do.

Let's say 700 patrons. What should Koi do? Stay off social media for a year? How about that? I was immediately like, Is that a gift or a curse? Like, it's so immediately like, ooh, I got it.

I got it. For a month, if anybody says, be nice? No, no, if anybody says anything to him on social media, like stuff that upset, be like, thank you, Daddy. Can I have more?

No, no, just, just, thank you, Daddy. Can I have another? What about, what if, what if we hit 800 patrons that you've got to be nice to everybody on Twitter for a month? Oh, God.

Would you do that? You got to be nice to everybody for a month. That would just inspire so... Yeah, I could try. That would be a good test. The problem... I mean, I already see the active problem of that is that people... It will come after.

Oh, yeah. They'll know that month... Of course. Yeah, no, that's... It literally is like writing a match. Of course. You know what he would end up doing, though? He would just be like,

I'm taking a month-long sabbatical from Twitter. You have to be on it. You'd have to be on it. Otherwise, that's not fair to the patrons. So 800 page. You'll be nice to everybody on Twitter for a month. I'd prefer it not be December because it's a holiday. I don't think we'll get...

Okay, so, but yeah, I can do that. All right. But also, ideas in the chat. I'm going to do it right as like a new Marvel movie comes out. It's like the month of Deadpool, but go! Well, no, Deadpool, you'll probably be on the same. It's got to be like when like Echo or something comes out. It's just the worst people are activated.

All right, let's do it. All right, Winston, where can they find you? At the Swaggy Blurred, you can follow me on all the socials, man. Check out the content I'm putting out. You can also see me on Game Time with John Roker on Tuesdays. We do a recap of the week. In sports, my Rangers are going to the World Series. we're going to break this curse.

Screw you, Astros. Better than the Astros. Dude, the fact, what makes me happy is it felt like, and I humbly request that you all continue to support us. It felt like the entirety of the baseball world were like, except for Astros fans, we're like, please crush them. Get them out of here.

And I'm happy we did that. I'm hoping we can get a title man. I never thought a million years that I'd hate a team more than I hated the Red Sox. Never. Never. It's impressive. Hey.

Coy Jondro. You can find me at Coy Jondro. Also just did a long-form. interview with Yuri Lowenthal, the voice is Spider-Man. He's a good buddy of mine. And for years, we've wanted to do this interview, and we finally did. So check that out over on Real Rejects. And I am 200 away from 40,000 on TikTok, 600 away from 40,000 on Instagram, and 400.

And 400 away from 30,000 on Twitter. So if you don't follow me, I'm trying to pass those thresholds. So please do, thanks. And then you can all be very mean to him later, so he'd be nice to you once we hit for a sweet spot. For a sweet spot. Thank you guys for joining us today on the show. I really do appreciate it.

We'll back again, sweet, look for our pizza reviews. He's got another one coming out with Frank pretty soon. Shoon? All right. Thanks, everybody. See you.