The Kristian Harloff Show - LOKI SEASON 2 EPISODE 6 FINALE SPOILER DISCUSSION!

Episode Date: November 10, 2023

Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow Welcome to our LOKI SEASON 2 EPISODE 6 SPOILER DISCUSSION! In this episode we have Kristian Harloff, Winston A. Marshall, and Coy Jandreau breaking down all the exciting moments and twists from the latest episode of Loki. If you haven't seen the episode yet, be warned: there will be spoilers! Join us as we dive into the world of Loki Season 2, discussing the events of Episode 6 and the implications for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. We'll be talking about the introduction of Kang, the mysterious He Who Remains, and how this episode sets the stage for the future of the MCU. In this spoiler-filled discussion, we'll cover topics such as Loki's character development, the surprises in Loki Episode 6, and the connections to other Marvel properties. We'll also share our reactions to the episode and speculate on what's to come in Loki Season 2 Episode 5 and beyond. Don't miss out on this in-depth analysis of Loki Season 2, featuring  insights from Kristian Harloff, Winston A. Marshall, and Coy Jandreau. Whether you're a die-hard Marvel fan or just getting into the MCU, this is the perfect place to get your Loki fix and join the conversation. We'll also be discussing the latest news now that the SAG strike is over! We'll be covering the rumor of Jake Gyllenhaal potentially playing Reed Richards in the Fantastic Four, updates on Deadpool 3, The Thunderbolts, and Captain America's shifting release dates. Make sure to tune in for our in-depth analysis and insights on these exciting developments in the world of Marvel and beyond! Don't forget to subscribe to our channel, Kristian Harloff, for more content like this! 😄🎬🌟 #mcu #loki #fantasticfour #doom #reedrichards #marvel #spoilers 

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Holy moly, what an episode of Loki. The season finale hit, yes, as you saw in the title, it's going to be a full-on spoiler discussion with myself, Winston and Coy. We will break it down. There's a lot of questions that I have. I think I learned a lot, but I know I have a lot of questions that I'm sure these two lunatics

no more than I do, so we'll definitely get into that. The Marvels, well, that movie hasn't been divisive. we're going to talk about how it is a conversation starter for sure there are people who love it there are people who don't love it what will it do at the box office

we're going to do a full spoiler on Monday but we will talk a little non-spoiler between the three of us on that and the Rotten Tomato score started low it's back up now it's fresh it's 61% will it go up will it go down the audience score seems to enjoy it will that help it at the box office

we'll get into that tons of news now the strike is over. We got Jake Gyllenhaal. Is he coming in as Reed Richards? And if so, why? We'll talk about that. There's a lot of other things. There's a lot of pushback of the movies in general.

We knew that was going to happen. And I actually think, I say this, I think Winston was right. Winston said that Captain America, I think last week we said Captain America will probably take the Deadpool spot. Well, they pushed Captain America the next year. And all the way through, I think the year after was it? 25. 2025. And then Deadpool did get pushed to July as we thought. I'll discuss that. The Thunderbolts got pushed to 2025. And we'll discuss all that also. It was good move, bad move. Tons of stuff to talk

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The shot that I was so proud of last week or two weeks ago with the no shot that people did not like. We switched it now back to that. I like it a lot. People were giving me a little more credit. Still slightly Dutch, which I respect. Yeah, I like it. So here we go.

All right, guys. Let's do the Loki thing first because we didn't get a chance to talk about five last week because we didn't see it. Five was fantastic. What I said the, I think it was my, I think it was my spoiler review earlier was that we collectively loved one we collectively maybe the only three people didn't love two three was really good four was great thought that was going to be the the topper then five surpassed it for me and then six blew it all out of the water yeah completely agree this this to me

and i and i and i and i genuinely hope i normally if you got a good thing you kind of want some more of it but i think i'm getting to that age now where i can temper stuff and when it's like I've had enough. I hope this was the series finale because if so, this was perfect. Yeah, poetic. It was so poetic. It doesn't mean that you can't have

another Loki somewhere because of like variants and stuff like that. It doesn't mean that you couldn't have those characters that were in the show. So the Silvys and the Mobius and all that show up in some other form or fashion. But this show needs to end right here. And this Loki, we don't need to necessarily see again

unless something happens where that tree gets destroyed. I don't want to see another season. That was the perfect poetic ending. to his character arc. It did. And let's kind of go back first to five real quick, right? So five to me was, and I said my, well, the immediate reaction was that the way that it seemed before seeing six was they were almost setting Loki up to be like the new Tony Stark

because they gave him this ability that he's trying to figure out. And I thought they did it so brilliantly the way you and I always talked about, Corey, like the time travel aspect. And if you do it the right way and it makes sense and the science fiction part of it, it just makes for a good show. And I thought five just really made that all work where he's trying to figure it out. You get a little bit more.

And the ironic part tying in the six is he doesn't want to be alone. He doesn't want to be alone. He wants to be with his friends. He wants to, he's found, he thinks in five, his purpose is saving his friends. And so when you watch it back, five, after you've watched six, it has even more of a purpose.

They did that great thing where not only did they tie into the whole first season, not only to tie into the Avengers, but they really built up the stakes just in time to tear them away in episode five. I think five was such a beautiful way to go, like, we want you to feel his loss. And then what I was really impressed by with six was, you went from this compounding loss in five,

and this pacing of like realizing what he's missing and like it's literally seeing time ripped away from him and how like tactile that felt. And then it was so clever in six to taint, like to change the pace so aggressively so that in the opening of six, there was that frenetic pace of him going through time and like this almost like chaotic mischief. of this element to it. And then that way

that when it slowed down in the second act and then it came to a crawl of mythology and Lauren the third, the weight of it was so strong. But I don't think we would have felt that weight without five. So I love that they built weight and then they frenetically changed the pace and they brought you back down.

Everything you just said, it was the writing in this show. The writing and the editing. The pacing. The music, like it all, the acting, it all worked and it just got better and better each episode. To me, what I had said was my favorite, I think it's my favorite season of Marvel television by far. I think it's, and then because it was so good, I had Wanda Vision over Loki season one, but because two was so good, it elevated one because it all ties in, especially after

the stuff they did with He Who Remains. It's also just from the standpoint of Wanda Vision, I think for a lot of people was like, like, it went from being an A plus for most of it to a lot of people drop into like an A minus, maybe a B plus because they felt like you took something that was so unique and so unique it's a powerful. Then all of a sudden the power fight and it was just kind of like, oh, this just became a standard

blasé blazé, like whatever. I think with this because you found ways for it to still have superhero elements, but it never devolved into that. It always became a conversation about philosophy, free will, all that kind of stuff. It just became very

there was never a point I think the only one I could think of is honestly episode two of this season for us where you're maybe a little disjointed but otherwise. So much rather episode two than episode six. That's what I'm saying. That's the hardest part. Because to me six in Wanda Vision was

my problem and it made it like an A minus and that's why Loki season one for me was always my number one show. This makes it even more distant from the rest of the MCU shows. I mean there's a reason why end game and everything before it like you're fine with Infinity War and like you stuck the landing. Right. You can deal with the

The Thor, the Dark World, the fact are worse. Because they enhanced Thor the Dark World by way of it being so good, just like this enhanced season one by way of those retroactive fixes. But people also remember the last thing you did. Right. So to that point, because the mistake or the weak point was early enough on and it wasn't at the end here. And it wasn't nearly as bad as sacrificing the season. It was, hey, we don't love the pacing of this. We like elements of it, but this just doesn't feel as exceptional.

I would make the argument. I know people don't love Sheeholk in one. but not, but we were okay with it until we got to that last episode and dealing with the Feigy Bot was like interesting, but like I personally had mentioned I felt cheapened in that. I don't mind that conversation if she then goes back and actually solves it, not just a, uh, we're just going to skip it and everything's done. That, that upset me because I'm like, so you didn't actually close things out. I just think the tone of that show is one of the, I mean, it was different conversation,

but with us, what they did here with the science fiction of it all and how it was really well written and speaking like of humor to where I always try to push back when people say, oh, you don't just don't like humor in Marvel definitely not true because the stuff he's doing on the bridge when Victor Timely is walking through and he's like, you're so brave. Yeah, yeah. And he's walking

him through it because he's lived in for centuries, so I love that he's like this thing like he needs to be said, but it's so like, you're so brave, right, right. That to me is brilliant writing and directing and acting. He'll be nominated, guys. Not nominated. You should probably win because it's hard to say.

It was so shixperian. Do you think they would treat it as a limited series? Do you think they would actually be like this is a season two of a show? So you wouldn't. Okay. Yeah. But I... So he's up against the bear.

Oh, which is, that's not a comedy. Jeremy Allen White, their whole strike was just walking around wearing a white shirt so I thought of the bear. We're on to you, Jeremy Allen. Like it has comedic ass moments.

I would argue that this isn't a comedy. This is not a comedy. That's true. Yeah. I'd say the bear is more of a comedy than this. And the bear is like tense. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that, yes. I can agree with that.

But the one thing I was going to say specifically about this wrap-up and the idea of how Loki doesn't want to be alone, I think what was brilliant is obviously we got the montage element of centuries later, which I thought was hilarious. Let's go through that, though, because I just wanted to wrap five real quick to it. Sure. Because five, he was able to, he gets his powers, you know, he's tried, the relationships, he's got to get everybody off that timeline, puts it all together, and they had that, like, that moment in five.

that was essentially like the snap. Yeah. And when that was going down and then he realizes, I can do it, and you have it at the very end when he jumps in, you're like, oh,

and then it ends with that kind of, the music of, and then it gives you that same kind of feeling you have a four, but different to where you're like, well, what's next? And I can I admit, I was worried at the end of episode five

that, and I said this a few times to people, I was so afraid that five ended in a way that was going to leave six to have no impact in the MCU. I was really afraid they were going to like, oh, we can time travel now. pointed to you and like, this guy's watch the marvels.

But like I think that the way it ties up in five is to make you think that six is just going to be like, oh, he's going to solve it. And then they genius established that six is going to cycle and cycle, but it's the anti-Dr. Strange.

Dr. Strange does that like, hey, we've come to bargain. And that's the atrophy. In this, he has to accept that that's never going to solve it. And I thought it was genius

subverting of expectation. It was, it was great. So then they ended it with five going exactly used to like, well, where do you go? And then what we did, and I'm kind of kind of,

to do what I did for my spoiler review. We'll do a little bit of it now right now. And even the start of it with the big green, you know, logo, I love how they do that. But then it takes us right back into that moment where he leaps back in. And he's trying, and now he tries to figure it out. And what I also dug, and I said this. Before you go further, sorry, did you catch the logo thing? Let me say, go back to you go back to the logo?

Well, like, did you, like, why the logo felt different? Why? So the logo was, was slow-mo in reverse. So it went from the end of where it usually goes to the very beginning, because the end of the The logo is us beginning the MCU, which is what Loki did. So they played all of the graphics in reverse. It was flipping backwards. It was a very well-written show. It brought us back to Loki creation through the logo.

But I love this and almost had like this moment of he's playing like, it's like edge of tomorrow. Yeah. You know, and he's going through it and he's got to. I love that movie. And he's watching this and it just keeps going bad. I love that to them, the way that all the actors played it, if you look at it, to Loki, is like, all right, I got to do this. again, I've got to figure this out. He's not in the mode of like,

this is the end of the world. They're all in the end of the world phase. He has to be in another play. Yes. You heard what he apparently did, right? He would send everybody else to lunch, apparently. Who would? Hiddleston.

He would send everybody else to lunch, and they would keep filming so that when they would come back, like, obviously they've seen the script. But as far as like how things are playing out, they're completely in the dark. And so then they were just like, dude, what the hell? Like, what are you?

He was like cross her moves and he's got all the... And one, his manic energy. And essentially that they had no idea kind of where he was at. And it's genius. He's next level in his episode. He's next level in this episode. And I love the fact that what they did throughout this series, not just this season, but this series,

they've given it to different people throughout the series, whether it was Sylvia, Mobius, or 52, whoever... They give it to people to run with. But fittingly, this was for him. This was his episode through and third. through and he just was he we've talked about it many times over they don't have any all stars right now he's an all star but he's sitting in a tree but he's now he is he is now he is the hula hoop man he's trapped there he is officially retired and now and now the idea is like

oh god do you do you tempt him with one more contract to unretire and maybe he'll appear in to your or's yeah as an abstract we'll figure that out in a second because there's so many questions I have about that. I don't even necessarily know if we're going to get to these other stories today. We'll see. So, yeah. And then he's got, he has these conversations with Obie and he's like, okay, you know, and he keeps jumping back into these moments.

And this was, again, where the humor works, he's like, and where they're trying to explain to him. He's like, no, no, no, can't talk. Hurry up. Go fast. Go fast. And he's pushing him out the door. And he keeps blowing up. And you're like, this is the way it's working where it's not just, it doesn't feel like a bit.

Like, it's traumatic. Yes. Like, it's funny. but it's like you're laughing to cry and crying to laugh. Yeah, because it's necessary of what's happening. He keeps blowing up, right? So then he goes back further. And he has this whole conversation, you know, with them.

And I love the reaction from Moby's. Like you said, like what are you doing? Especially because the other part is, if you remember, Loki was like, how long would it take you to teach me every single thing you know about physics, quantum physics, time? And they were like decades, centuries. So by the time he actually has mastered it and understands, everybody's like, Loki, you're not, let Obie do this.

Like you're not, what are you, what do you do? Because then I was like, is he going to figure out how to jump with one of them? But I think it was so brilliant to be like, no, it's just centuries later. And you know what I loved about that? I loved that they didn't show one frame of him learning. Right. Didn't need it. It wasn't important.

It wasn't important. Because you got it. Well, you also got that in terms of the other thing. He was learning about, oh, we got to do that faster. oh, don't put that down. So we got the idea that he's learning every time he goes. So we didn't need the physics lesson, which I'm sure the writers, to that point, learned enough to write their show, but also didn't want to actually get into the quantum physics of how that work.

But it doesn't help anything. It's not the point of this episode. No, it really isn't. Because when he comes back and again, showing the brilliance of Tom Hiddleston in this, he just has this thing where he comes back and he's talking in these terms. And you're like, oh, I believe that he's been gone for centuries and has learned all of this stuff. and it's almost like he had to spend all of that time to get back. And he finally does into that moment, into this particular thing.

And now he's telling him, and then I don't know how you guys felt. But as he's telling Victor timely this time around, I was like, I feel it timely will make it, but will he make it the whole way back? I didn't know if he was going to make it. Yeah, the tension was authentic. I really felt like I wasn't sure how the show would treat it. I just, I felt like you had to if the idea was that this was going to somehow revive he who remains in the first place.

Like, I felt like there was going to have to be that moment. moment that that happens. I mean, the whole time I was thinking that Kang was the one that made this all happen. And that's at the end, obviously, we find that that is an element of it. But I was like, I think maybe he wants him to get spread through time. Like that whole. Yeah, yeah. Because the voyeuristic angles made it feel like someone was watching.

So I thought Kang had been watching because he set this in motion with the book. And I think they intentionally made us feel like everything was under Kang's plan. So I actually, it's interesting because I have like two thoughts that come to mind. The first being I thought what was. brilliantly done was when Loki finally starts talking to He Who Remains and so we're now in Act 3 and he's kind of

figuring out what he's going to ultimately do and all that kind of stuff. I thought it was brilliant for him to be like and what makes you think that this is the first time we've had this conversation and I was like whoa I was like way to play with us with time again because you caught me off guard for and then they did the power play of Loki having that same

because he says he's oh you're saying that the fact that he's fully mastered his powers at this point the fact that he was like We had this talk. I love that majors did it first. And then, like, because it was literally a power structure switch that we got through a line of dialogue. And I want to jump to all that stuff that he had with He Who Remains because that's like to me where I start to have my questions to you guys. But before we do it, also want to tell you guys, as we do every week here on the big thing, our sponsors are super important to us.

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like nothing has changed like you can't you can't do anything and they have this realization and it's also so genius that it would be infinite like why wouldn't there be infinite decisions infinite timelines infinite like and to also then explain and it's so funny because I was like, are people going to get the dividing by zero thing? And I was like, that's basic math you learned in elementary school. You can't divide by zero. Yeah. Because you can't split up something that's nothing in the same way you can't slow down infinite.

It's infinite. Yeah, it's infinite. And they explain such a broad concept with like five lines of dialogue. It's genius. And that's when it takes us back here. And a second we see this, I was like, yes, they had to go back here. And because this is my favorite scene as, I think, everybody, when Loki season one, the introduction, essentially. of Kang, He remains, and the way that he was just brought onto the scene where you see this, this guy's for real.

Yeah. And this is even that times 50 with what they do here. There's something more sinister, I would argue, about a villain that can cut you and can destroy you just with their words. Then I can just blow everything up. Yeah. And it's not that Kang slash He remains couldn't just blow everything up. He's physically strong enough to do that too. But the fact that I can just F with your brain.

Because then it really feels like I know Loki's a God, but then that actually feels like you're trying to shadow box with God. And that's the fact that when he stops Sylvie and just stops her cold, that shows you how powerful he is. And it shows you, he could have done that in the first place. Right. Could it in the first place. The fact that he keeps laughing, oh, see you so. Yeah, he chose. I thought who.

I thought the flouse was there every time. Yeah. See you so. It was great. And then this whole thing is going down. And you're watching this whole fight over. Can we give credit to the editors right here? Because not only did they have production design out the wazoo to rebuild that set.

Because the scene opened with them showing a different angle of actual season one. And then they match cut to season two. And it's perfect. Like these people have aged two years and they just masterfully relanted it. They relit it. Just every crew member who doesn't get enough love for the work you do, you did a match jump cut through time travel in real. life, thank you for caring so much. It was brilliant. And all of this,

and he even says, like, they go back to, he tries to go back the elevator. Nothing he's doing. And I didn't know if he was, they were going to actually have him kill Sylvie. Right. And they're going through it. And he goes, why don't you do something? Do something. And that's when he gets into it. And they have this incredible back and forth. The two of them, both for both

majors and Hittleston, this just two powerhouse actors kind of having this dialogue about this is where I started to say like, well, immediately, All right, I got questions for Winston and. For sure. Yeah, because as this was going on and he's like, okay, so Majors or Kang said, he who remains says, well, kill her.

Do that. R-I-P-H-R-T, that line fucking. There was a point where Jonathan Majors was, he was like, you just thought that was it? R-I-P-H-R-T? No, that's not that's not the story. I was like, guys. Well, when he, so when he does that and they had that conversation, he says, well, you kill her. If you take her out, this doesn't happen.

We put together. The TVA continues to do its thing. And then we're good to go. And then Loki says, well, no, I want to, instead, why don't I just blow this thing up? And then he said, well, why would that? So I'm asking you guys, why would that cause this multiversal war then? Well, because that's the equation that's keeping it all together. He who remains basically built something to prevent that multiversal war using that equation.

So the act of blowing up that equation would be the thing that negates that from occurring. Like that's the only thing. It's like a damn. But this is ultimately what Loki does? Well, he does it in a way that is removing him from the equation. Removing Kang from it. Yeah, because he's taking control versus letting it be his design. Right.

So that ultimately does set up the possibility of not having Kang back, right? The kind of. But the only thing is, and this is where I was trying to, this is where it kind of came a particular way to me, is he goes and blows up the loom, right? All those timelines were still dying. Right. So it really sounds like he who remains still one, which is like kind of dark and sad in the fact that he blew up the loom, all the time when's died. So then he went out there because he has time powers now, grab them all, and then essentially is keeping them alive via himself. So the multiversal war is happening.

Literally, you're not pruning timelines anymore. It's just that Loki's the power source for them all. But I think that's why if they chose they could have, you know, Loki. is kind of the antithesis of Kang, and Kang's the antithesis of Loki as far as the end of time, the beginning of time. So I could see where they don't bring King back. If they, you know what I mean?

It does. It does. The only reason, though, is at the end, Rentzler is laying on that planet and she sees the pyramid in the back. Isn't she, isn't that a variant of Kang that is there? I thought so. I thought so, too. At the end of time, I heard that is a lie. Plus she,

plus she woke up with what looked like the ruins. of the TVA because the symbol said forever and always, the protecting time forever and always. She's in a different timeline. It seems like she's at like the end of time again. Because like at this point, Loki is like the center of time. However you want to describe it,

that's why he's holding on to all of the timelines at once. It seems like she's now at the end of time, which is where she was supposed to or wanted to be with Kang in the first place. But Ken kicked her out and was like, ah, bye. And then just like was there by himself. So I That might be the only place where maybe the show picks back up

But I feel like if anything it just If everybody's getting their ending for her the ending where she was always supposed to be there in the first place Well didn't they also set up because they they show like Victor timely as a kid not getting the right thing that time too And they also have that line which you caught which I was proud of the other the 616 adjacent which is the quantum run which is what we just had with quantum mania But his dismissiveness of it like we got a lot of variants obviously that's where it was intended to go. Like before all the court drama and everything else. I'm just saying that was genius. But what I think

they're in an interesting position because obviously they announced Kang Dynasty but and I really honestly hope that everything works out with the justice department that is like honest and true but we just don't know enough data to decide where to go with the story. I'm just acknowledging like the Kang story

could be wrapped here. I hope it's not. But I don't see. They found a way that they could do it. They could if they needed to yeah. And I and that's the opposite of that variety article we love I mean, that, real quick on last episode, that's the one thing that was funny. Like, how dare they? How dare they? How dare they?

He called it a hit piece and a click, mate. That, that, that, that, that, you shit. It's just there another website that needs clicks. So funny. You were doing so good. You haven't even gotten to the next episode yet. You're doing so good. I don't read the comments.

What do you mean? Internet. But, but I was going to ask you guys this because the part where I was confused. based off of how this all went, there was a, I think there was a quote either in that article or just somebody in general

that said, I've seen the end of Loki and there's no way that's what I'm saying. It literally is, that's why I bring up that this could be because it seems like a beautiful way.

It might have been a different ending too. That's a possibility. I, maybe if the argument. It's just long enough an episode, I feel like it'd be odd to add another, but even if there's like two minutes, maybe of Kang like fully formed or something. I guess I could get it

if you're trying to say because Jonathan Majors acted his ass off, but the truth is, even for as good as he was as HART again, the little moments of time, like him mocking timing, oh, you met Victor Timmy. Like, I was like, God damn, you evil. Yeah. But

Hidleston out-acted him. And the funny thing is, is it's not because Majors did anything wrong or bad. It's just because this was so about Loki. And because he did such a good job, it's literally seen, and Kevin Duran and Steph Curry on the

court at the same time. It's like, yeah, Kevin Duran still Kevin Duran, but Steph Curry put up 60 tonight. Like, what are you going to do? For sure. Absolutely. It's a great. Good reference for sure. And I'm glad that we kept up on the sports thing. That's what we do here. So we do here. All right. But yeah, as he's still trying to figure

all this out, you know, and he's the timelines and then he just doesn't know what he's going to do. You know, he just he's, and then when he jumps back to the point where ultimately was episode five, right? Because he doesn't, oh, no, I don't want to blow past this moment.

This moment with him and Mobius. Oh, I love that he went back to his friend. He, like, he needed advice, and he needed advice from someone that was going to be honest. So he went back to the one that would be honest at the time. Because I think if he went back to Mobius, when they'd already become friends, he'd be worried that he'd know too much. And I love that he went back to when they weren't friends so he could ask his friend, real advice.

That was beautiful. There were two real, that, that for sure, I think, A, the fact, that, and it speaks to Mobius' character and both, and I thought Owen Wilson did a good job of tapping back into past self. The fact that Mobius was very cryptic with Loki beforehand because he wasn't his friend. That was a prisoner.

And so he told the story about himself, but he goes, there was some random hunter and he didn't take the kid out, and then it had repercussions, and then someone had it. And so he kept it very cryptic. Loki obviously is able to piece together, you know. So I thought that that was beautiful. But I also love that the two most

important people in Loki's life at this point because obviously Freya's gone there's whatever love with Thor but he's really not been a part of this at all so the two most important people in his life are Sylvie Sylvie and Mobius yeah and he went and had a moment with both of them and then when this you know the the handshake of that moment in general because it's really like their partnership throughout this whole series has been one of the most attractive things about the show that's like that detective thing that they did for a lot of season one and then playing into just the real good partners that are friends now.

And like this moment was, it was beautiful, it was sad. Like right when he shakes his hand and he, because Loki knows that this timeline is collapsing on itself. And then Mobius disappears. And he knows he's got to go back. So he hits this moment that we were talking about in five. And he goes, he hits it. And he just frees his time.

Tells Sylvie what's going on. Now, this is where I was going. Well, I guess he gets her permission to kill her. Yeah. She says she won't. She's like, I'm not going to do that. Yeah. And I'll tell you, this, this poor lady, though,

with the haircut they gave her in this season. But he gets, and then he goes back and this is, and then this is the moment. Like, he knows. And this is to me, I always mentioned, have you watched Braveheart yet? You told me the way. I did.

You should watch it. We just did an elemental, um, first time watching with Brett. We'll do it. Because I was going to do a CPT review on it. And I'm trying to. We'll do it. But one of, one of my things in that movie.

And there's a lot of different performance. but the one that I always, when I was younger, it stood out, and I've mentioned this before in this show. William Wallace is on the battlefield, and there's a particular moment that happens. I won't spoil it for Winston yet. And there's something that happens that Mel Gibson just does with his eyes. And he doesn't say a word. And you know everything that he's going through and everything. And there's a moment like that in Loki that, that Hilton does.

It's like, right? I think it's the very last frame. It's him in the tree. That's a good one too, but it's that. It's that. acceptance, but like broken. 100%. He just knows what he needs to do. He just knows. He doesn't say a word,

but with that face, looking right there, you're going, and for people who are listening on Spotify or Apple, he's just, he just kind of like, as Koi said, he's just got this kind of calm face of I just know what I have to do. And he goes out and he goes back on the bridge. He doesn't need the

spacesuit. He opens the things up. And he starts moving. And the music. And from this point, can we acknowledge, one, the music, but also Justin and Aaron man. Not only do they give us some of these incredible who's that director, sorry, Justin Moran and Aaron Benson guys, thank you. This

shot right here I was about to say and you've already got pulled up when he's walking and it becomes this amazing comic book shot. Like this is a comic book come to life. But then later on they do these incredible POV shots that are like the actors are monologuing at you like on a theater stage

play. They make Shakespeare and comics and the medium of TV work. Like the directing in this is three different mediums. all coming to life. And this is ultimately, because I'll tell you, when I started watching this, I didn't do my reaction to it,

but I was sitting on the couch and I was watching on the big screen, sound was fantastic, the music and everything, and I'm watching it. And I had, I would have had one of those moments in the reactions that I've had in the past

where I'm like, I go, don't you kill Loki. Don't you kill Loki. Don't you do it. Don't you do it. Bro. The only thing funny about that is I had, so for anybody follows me on social media,

I ran for the first time in like seven months, which was dope. For office? Yeah. First time. Did you do it? I won. Congratulations.

But I, but so I came back, I showered, and I told, I told Kristen, I was like, hey, I got to watch Loki for work. I mean, I wanted to watch it, but I was like, I got to watch it for work. So, and she was like, okay, I'm going to go watch my thing. So I literally just laid down, like, in my towel. So by the time she came back out, I had turned the lights green because we have light controls or whatever. It's in the middle of him, like, blasting the loom. I'm at this point just naked, just only conscious. Man, scale.

And she goes, what a vision is like, what is she just, like, what is going on? And I was like, I cannot wait to rewatch both of these seasons back to back because of the moments like that, because of the way it plays with time back and because of those moments, that's what I'm an experience. I'm going to achieve enlightenment like you did. No, but I, I really love doing these with the real rejects. I really enjoy doing their reactions, but it's been really hard for this show.

to be aware that I'm on camera while watching something this good. Like, it's not that. Like, I want that experience. And instead, I got, like, remember, if you don't make a face, the internet will think you're mad. So, like, I had to be so present that I can't wait to just, like, be enveloped by this art. This is art.

And you watch it. And at the end, like, as he's going through all this and then this part, ma'am, as he, and this is the whole point. The first episode of season one was called Glorious Purpose. This is called Glorious Purpose. Wait, wait, wait. The first episode was called Glorious? That's why I thought I was confused.

I was like, I've seen this episode. Because I know he says that term a lot. It just goes back to what he said with the opening credits. It's like the beginning is the end. The end is the beginning. Also the burden with glorious purpose, using that phrase, which we tie to Loki, and then talking about it as a burden. And that conversation with Mobius turning into the burden of purpose and the purpose of burden. And the whole, a new or a boris about just the weight of the throne and how they tie into that.

Like, he's wanted a throne from the beginning. But when he wanted a throne before, it was malevol. Now he's cursed with the throne So we've actually achieved the burden of glorious purpose And how the crown Not only now looks like more tangible There's weight to it The fact that these are elements we've seen throughout

Like the MCU The fact that like the stone that we've had With the MCU is green Because it represents like what Loki's built Like there's so much beautiful world building Through just that one sequence Yo wait a minute The Timesstone is green because it's Loki

Yeah Bitch Yeah Wait a minute Lord It's half sounds created because it's like No no no no it's not that But if you just, if you talk about how this is all interconnected, right? So if Loki is the one that is at this point mastered time, I mean, it's him and Kang, but he's mastered time.

Loki's whole color scheme from Jump had been green. So they obviously, I can't believe that Fagie would have thought of that way long ago. But they made this the writing. But they made it all work together. That's one of those moments that like, wait a minute. We could do that. Darth Vader could be Luke's fine. Right.

To the scale, like to the scale of like creation and time. But I think the other thing about it, and that's what's so interesting. And to me, this is something that I would do or that I guess I did as an actor. I'm sure writers have done this too. But I guarantee you the thoughts that were going through Hiddleston's head at the end of that. I'm sure his whole life is flashing before him. Other than being able to see all of time now, because he's in the middle of it, I'm sure his interactions with Odin and the idea of like, how are you going to pass me up for this idiot and all

Remember Odin told him he'd never be king? Yeah, I'd remember that too. And I was cursed. But he's a whole different level of king at this point. But I think there was also you could see it in his face, or at least I would guarantee these of the thoughts going through Loki's head. Well, that's what he said though, Judy said that he's going to be, you know, bird with glorious purpose.

He's been saying this since the beginning. They've been saying for a long time. So they found a way to make it work. They found a way to make it work. And to me, he's a more important character than Tony Stark. He's a more important character than Odin. than thwart anybody. You obviously, we've been following the Avengers,

but I'm saying like in the comic lore, Odin is powerful as he is as the king of Asgard and all that stuff, that he actually has more power and more responsibility than Odin ever had in that regard. But I think that what I would say in that actor brain at that moment, I would be thinking to my father and being like, wow, I actually have a lot of respect for you now and I kind of get it. You did have to make hard decisions.

You did decide to save me. And I grew up under you and all that. Just from the standpoint that I know that for myself, there have been times where I've looked at things that my parents have done, and I may have been really mad with them, or I may have been whatever, and I'm like, man, you were just trying your best.

And you had so much that you had to deal with. You had so much that you had to realize it at the time. Yeah, for sure. But, um, all right, moving, we're almost, we're almost finished for the Loki season. The tree of life, man. That was the other thing to be,

for him to be the tree of life as well. And like I have a, I unique, like, coy particularly. Like, I am obsessed. with the concept of the tree of life. Like, I want to be buried in a U tree, which is like the Celtic tree of life. Like, I've got this whole thing with that tree. So Loki's been one of my favorite characters in the MCU in that moment when they, like, shaped the entire narrative into something that means so much to me. That might be one of my own personal favorite moments in the history of the MCU.

Like in 15 years, that hit me like in such a powerful way that I was like, oh, this is why I love this world. Like, this reinvigorated my love of Marvel in a way that I can't even quantify. And Marvel needed this for me anyway, for this. this was a bit because what it did was it answered questions about the new phases and like the sloppiness of the multiverse and the sloppiness of the way that they were using time it made it way less sloppy and it made it go that's our particular goal even though we don't necessarily know who the villain of that goal is yet they did it in a way as we just discussed that you're like okay I'm I want to listen now I want to figure out why because now but they got to stick to that and I think Deadpool will continue what I'm glad they only got one Marvel movie next year. It's not going to be good for my bank again. We'll talk about that. It's, I think,

both that and the fact that, like, it was a nice reminder because people love to say the sky is falling, and it doesn't mean that there isn't trouble all around. But just a reminder that, yeah, they still got the sauce. They remember not hitting at an 80% clip,

but, like, they still have it. Look, I said this the other day, where it's like, this is how we are as a society. The society is we love when an underdog wins. We love when someone makes it to the top. And Marvel for a bit was an underdog. People don't remember that. They had to sell off all their stuff.

They had to sell off everything. They were selling things to Sony. They were selling things to Fox. And then Iron Man was an underdog. And the Dark Night was, and then all of that was dominating. And it became a massive, massive thing. Everyone loved them when they were up. And then people loved to watch people fall.

Like Mike Tyson. Love watching Tyson come up to the top. And then everyone loved when he fell. Everyone got excited when he came back. Not to quote the Dark Night, but you die at the heater or live long enough to spend it. That's the thing, though, too, is it's like it's a matter of. It's over. It's over.

It's over. It's like, it's not over. It just, it needs work. So many people. I posted the thing because I'm mad at the internet, but I posted the thing about the variety article and like people being like, oh, Marvel's over. And then a low-key episode five, how quickly people were like, oh, Marvel's so back. I know I saw that.

But I've got to follow up. I got to follow up. Okay, go ahead. But I love that a bunch of people, while this. show was airing went on my thing and being like, thought you hated the Marvels. I guess Marvel's dead after all. And it was like while this was airing. And my point is,

you cannot be so fickle with something so big. You cannot look at this narrow minded perspective of one property as affecting everything. It's not dead or alive. It's a literal growing universe. Have you not seen what my life is as a Cowboys fan? Do you know how quickly they got? Whatever, that road. It wasn't that good of a win.

The minute we lose by one point, oh, you dumbass. You guys are terrible. It's just how it is. I always try to tell these guys. It's like with Twitter, for me, it comes like, post and run. That's what I do. I post my stuff. Like, people were, like, tagging me on my out-of-the-the-the-the-reaction.

Sorry, I didn't check it. It's like, no. I think next year I want to try to do, like, an hour a day, like, have a TV time but for social media. You need to keep it to 10 minutes, boy. So much social media. It doesn't matter. I want to continue to end up with Loki here, too, as we get now, now the after, as we talk about. So 52 comes in and now it's it's it's working TVA is moving.

It's still and I think the T I think this connects us into Deadpool. I think TVA is going to be connected to Deadpool and that way it says, oh, I thought it was you don't, you're not going to say. I thought it was destroyed because they clearly set it up. Now I love the fact that they had missed minutes. She's back. She's not going to kill us? No.

And Obie just kind of shrugs. I don't know. And then this was a nice moment again where Mobias is just kind of thinking about things in general. And so what's what's what's this in particular to this? Just just files just to go. It's a Kang variance if I remember correctly. That's for the Ant Man. Yeah, that was the reference to 16 adjacent.

Right. And then he's, and then we turn this back on. I can't really see. That is his file. Yeah, that's his own file. And that's why he is able to go back and see. Because he's aware of it now because this one, this Movis wouldn't have had that awareness. That is literally the first time he's looking at his life.

I got it. Because that other Mobius got erased. Right. The ones were the ones that Loki went and found all his friends in their normal lies. They're all gone. And I always considered this ending the first the beginning of the TVA. I think that's the invention of Miss Minutes. Not the re-invention of Miss Minutes. I think this is the TVA

found out. No, no, no, this is afterwards. They were turning Miss Minutes back on. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. And the fact that Loebke's, if that was if that was the case, then the Loki stuff, they wouldn't even know Loki. They wouldn't know him on the way. They know what Loki did. And that Movis has that morning. Yeah, you're totally right. Plus, if I'm not mistaken,

when doesn't it say like second edition or something on it? Yes, Loki wrote it, right? Is that the case? Or maybe not? I don't know. I think it's amended through the data he got from Victor Time. I understand.

So this is, and this is what this conversation was really nice and sweet. And the fact that she'll be sticking around. Now this, no, so this is just, this is everybody now in the TVA, correct? And because they have this moment where they. So what does that say? I think it's the second edition, right? Let me see. I'll try to zoom in on it.

Yeah, second edition and yellow. Okay. So yeah. So the new things that he's learned, obviously, no, B is, right? He's doing this thing. I hope he appears again because Kuan is just absolutely delight.

I think he will. It'll just, I think anybody from this show, it's going to be small. It might be like, if something time related comes up, they might show up for like a quick two to three minutes scene, which that was the thing.

Again, Kristen didn't watch it with me, but she walked by. She goes, oh, I'm so happy that he's getting this month because obviously he did everything everywhere and got the Oscar for it. But then, you know,

the fact that his career really is back on track is amazing. He was so good in this show too. And, And then, like I said, we had this moment. I picked up more things that I think that I gave myself credit for because I was like, okay, well, here's Victor Time. And he never really becomes he who remains because they don't drop that thing in the window. He's just doing it.

And then we cut to Ren Slayer, who's now, like you guys said, I guess she's just in a portion now where it's the end of time or whatever it might be. But what's she looking at here? What is this? Two theories. One, Kang, because the purple glow. Two, I thought maybe Eliath. What's that? Eliath said.

That was the beast, right? Yeah, the Big Beach from season one. Oh, okay. But yeah, but why is that as important? Why wouldn't you show it if it was... That's true. But that's what I was saying. Remember, when we last came to the end of time, where Eliath was, that same forever always symbol was this.

She's at the end of time. That's what I thought was Liath. But why wouldn't you show Eliath? That reveal is like, wait to find out what that is. Very possibly. I could see that 1,000%. For me, the way I registered it was just. just the idea of she was at the end of time with Kang,

because we saw that flashback and I think episode four, where she was with Kang and it's like, we did it, baby, we built it together, blah, blah, blah. And he just goes, uh-huh, and then she's gone. Maybe that's the setup, right? Maybe that's also, as we were talking about before, where they don't know yet where they're going with Jonathan Major. That allows that to stay open.

That allows that to stay open for, if it is, if it turns out, no, it is Kang, then we can make that. Cut from there. Yeah, because they don't give you a clear thing. So maybe that's exactly what the intention. mention of that was. So we end that's kind of ending with her and then we get to this really nice scene where I thought it was actually going to

end. I thought this whole show was going to because we see we see Moby's kind of watch himself in that he's looked at his file, he's gone through, he's got to... Again, these POV shots, these amazing one-off it's like he's talking to us or looking at us. Yeah, and then this really nice moment with him and Sylvie, which I thought the sweet moment

as I were talking about, they mentioned Loki, they have this conversation I can't believe he's gone and how he says he just wants to kind of sit by and watch time pass and she just gently puts her hand on his shoulder. And that's the end of their relationship in general. And he's left there. And that's really the last time we kind of see Mobius. And then we end it, we end the show with that wonderful shot of like,

he doesn't look sad. He doesn't look sad. He looks like, he looks like this is what I'm supposed to do. He looks resolute. He got everything that he wanted. I think he has an understanding now of what that meant because I think there's plenty of us that would say a phrase or a mentality, but not actually understand it. Yeah.

He gets it. He understands. and he's, you know, resolute with what his life will now be forever and always. I'm with you, though. I think that this needs to be the series family. It needs to be. It does, which, holy crap, I just realized that. The whole slogan of the TVA is for all time, forever and always.

That literally is what just happened to Loki. Yeah. For all, he is now the guardian of all time, forever and always. Yeah. So look, that was. I hope that's the end because it's so perfect. You're so good at this yet. You're not even close to that microphone.

I think you've got to lay. some things rest. And I think that'll also be a good vote of confidence for Marvel if they do. If they go like, hey, we trust it. Like that's let let a player still sit over there. Like honestly, can you imagine you've made a perfect steak? Like a like a perfect steak. And then you decide at the last video you go, you know what I'm going to do?

I'm going to mess. I'm going to throw a sauce on. It's done. Just it's done. Serve it as is you do not need to revisit. Put A1 on bad steak because you need it. I love you A1, but you only say it. I love A1.

Yeah, but you don't put it on good steak. You let steak be steak. This was good steak. So that. That was it. It was a full on, spoiler discussion on, to all of us, I think, the best series that Marvel has done. So what say you? Did you like it? Did you not like it? Make sure that you comment. Leave those theories. Leave the speculation. Put it all in the comments. And let's talk about it for sure. I want to get into some of these big stories that have been dropping since the end of the strike.

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You got Deadpool. Deadpool is moving, and we also have the other one that is moving, and that is going to be Captain America and Thunderbolts. So let's start with this. This is from Mark Cassidy over at Comic Book Movie. As he says, the SAG, After and WGA strikes are officially at an end. But with productions forced to be paused for such a long period of time, the release dates were inevitable, the delays.

Marvel Studios has now pushed all but one of its 2024 big releases down to 2025. The trades have announced that Deadpool 3 is moving back from May 3rd to July 26th. That's something we all thought was going to happen. While Captain America, Brave New World is being pushed back to February 14th, 2025. Thunderbolt is moving from December 20th, 2024 to July 25th, 2025. And the Blade reboot will now open on November 7th, 2025. While these release stage shifts are not exactly unexpected, we have some surprising details on the reasons that Brave New World was delayed. According to Jeff Snyder on this week's episode of The Hot Mike with John Roka, the latest Captain America adventure did not go over particularly well in test screenings.

Apparently, three key sequences have been cut out and extensive reshoots are planned from January until May or June of next year. Deadpool 3 will be the only Marvel Studios movie opening next year. Earlier today, Ryan Reynolds confirmed that the three-equal will be ready by the summer by sharing a photo of Dogpool. And he says, did Dogpool save the day? Not a chance in Gremlin hell. But she is currently causing the Disney plushy merch department nightmares coming with the movie summer 2024. And then there's the picture of Dogpool. So let's just start with overall.

These were moves that we're not going to wait. What? Yeah. It was, as they said, inevitable. You knew it had to happen. And we knew that Deadpool, they had to keep Deadpool. 24. It's going to be their biggest movie. That movie could make a billion dollars. It really

could. It's a rated our film. It could make a billion dollars. Could that be the first? Rated R billion dollar movie? Joker did, right? Oh, Joker made a billion. I forgot Joker was R. Yeah, yeah. There's, I think there's a... Yeah, I don't remember what the first did. Because there's only been a few. There's only been what? 8.7, I think. 870, something close. There's only been what, like 10 or 11 billion

films ever? I don't remember. But either way, I think it could get close. And it also, especially where you're going to go with Marvel, I will say this, I think this is a really smart move of what they're doing.

This is a necessity, but it's a very smart move in general because you've got this show, Loki season two. We'll see what the Marvel's going to do. We'll talk about the Marvels

in a second because the marvels, even though the audience seems to be liking it, but it's still tracking really poorly. And it might, it's not going to be a hit for them.

It doesn't seem. But who knows, but it doesn't seem like it's going to be had. Loki, as far as the storytelling goes, and without spoiling, there's something that happens in the post-credit scenes or mid-credit scenes of the Marvels that also plays into what's going on with Loki and all these other things and what will

push forward the MCU. So, Deadpool is the next step. So Deadpool should be the next movie that comes out in July, and then it owns July. It owns 2024, because Echo will come out, an echo from what they say is kind of like distant. It's like its own thing. It's a spotlight.

Yeah, spotlight. But also, we didn't talk about that trailer. Man, it's good. Did we not talk about that show? Oh, we weren't on. Yeah. Remember, we were all like, man, that show going to be garbage. Then that trailer dropped.

I said, is that show going to be fire? Yeah, it looks incredible. Like, and if they let it be that tone, the Netflix is. Yeah, if it's going to be that thing. You can polish a turn. Remember, we all thought secret invasion. That trailer was pretty good.

Yeah. Why would you just take the joy from me? I know, I know. Well, look, but the flip side to that, to give you the joy back, is the flip side is that they do deliver on that tone. And they separate. Can I ask you had a great point the other day about what possibly could have happened there. Because when they put together all these plans, Shee Hulk and the Marvels or Secret Invasion or even though Secret Invasion was a little darker,

but for the most part, the tone was all pretty consistent. And inside of that, almost like what you guys talking about with WandaVision, typical Marvel stuff, all of that stuff, that maybe they put together this echo tone, and they're like, oh, the audience isn't going to like that. They're not going to dig with it. It's too dark. Little do they know.

Right. And so basically, let's put it out. But let's put it out in January, because we're not going for that. This is just what my exterior was. Let's put it in January, dump it in January, and then they realize the kind of, like, you know what we should do. Let's actually retool this now because people are responding to this. And maybe that's what happened with Figi.

When Fygie said, shit, man. this echo shows pretty good. Like, you know what? Where we were going to go with Daredevil? Don't do that. Let's go back to that tone that they initially had. Let's copy off of what Echo is doing here and make it continue. I'd love if the kingpin we didn't get in Hawkeye.

And then we go forward with that because it looks like, I mean, that kingpin in an echo trailer is more kingpin than we got in the entire series of Hawkeye, those last two episodes. And I think there was more violence in that echo trailer than there wasn't the entirety of Moon Knight. Because like I like Moon Knight for the most part, but the cutaway from the violence was like clever at first. And I was just like, oh, it feels like Disney. And I would love if they trust in that R-rated TVMA.

Yeah. I don't need Deadpool Kingpin Echo. I don't need them connected with the multiverse stuff. I don't, I prefer to have some darker stuff. Well, definitely you do. Because you're killing the Fox universe. I realize you. I literally thought you met Deadpool when I was like,

I would be. I say, let me rewind that. I don't need Daredevil, Kingpin. echo connected to the overall MCU or the actual multiverse stuff and all that. I don't need that. Like, I love the fact that they're doing the spotlight stuff on it. If they can keep them in the spotlight stuff. It's, it's, I would, I would appreciate having Daredevil once we get to Secret Wars.

I don't need Kingpin necessarily. I don't need Echo. But I would appreciate having Daredevil just because of how that whole thing plays out. However, what Koi has been saying about Spider-Man this whole time, it is cool to have Spider-Man, to have Daredevil join the Avengers and be on these bigger adventures. But I missed them in New York. But you need Daredevil. You need Spider-Man.

You need Luke Cage to be handling their own street-level stuff. Because even though they're all very strong in their own right, their main bread and butter is they are street-level. You do have maybe a supervillain with crazy superpowers, but you're worried about New York. You're not worried about the entire world. And I think if Daredevil appears like he did No Way Home where he pops in, it's exciting. And then you have been Secret Wars as a full-fledged. hero, but I think Daredevil can play a darker part and then pop in. Yeah, he pops in.

Just like Deadpool knowing he's, I mean, I've been saying for the beginning, I think Deadpool's going to know he's from another universe. That's how they can bleep him. So he can be in PG-13 movies. Yeah. Because if they had the Punisher come in, do, like, just go straight up R-rated TVMA during the spotlight stuff. Great.

And then he shows up and he battles a couple of people in the Avengers, in the secret wars, whatever. Fine. But at Berthal, I know he can still, like, I know he's still passionate about it. So I'd love to see that come back. Because he was signed on for Daredevil. I'm hoping they know better than to bring that all together. Make the Marvel Knights.

Well, but that's the whole thing. So with these pushes, like, you know, and to go off what Snyder is hearing that this, the Captain American movie didn't test well. Yeah. Right. And then they're like, oh, good. This will, and they should do this. If that is indeed accurate, where if I'm fighting and I'm everybody else, I'm going, okay, look, we can use this strike right now to our benefit. We can do some reshoots on this thing.

We have our tone. We have our thing of where we want to go with this now. Let's rewrite this. We have now, a year and a half before this movie comes out now. And they had six weeks of the writer strike ending without actors. So they had all that time to write before they could film anything. I'm hoping they all went, okay, let's get everyone in the kitchen. Let's cook.

Let's make this all happen. Because they need it. And Blade is moving. This is a good thing. I feel great about it. This is a good thing. It gives it more time and it doesn't pile everything up. The big problem that Marvel had piled everything up.

There's a show, then two months later, a movie, then two months later a show. People said they wanted to break. Here's your break. This is a big break. And I honestly think 2025, if it goes well, we'll be of people being like, oh, we kind of miss this in 2024.

Because next year, we only get the Joe, 100%. We get the Joker next year and Deadpool next year. So that's it for the big two. So then we come, but that means of 2025, we come back with the DC due universe. We get Superman. We get the Batman, too, if they ever get to shoot it. And we get three MCU films.

If this break makes people, hunger for it. 2025 is going to be insane. It's a good break. Yeah. The market has been grossly oversaturated. And I think, I think just exactly that.

You know, sometimes you just got to go, you know what? I'm going to do a no drink November. Yeah. And do that and then come back to it and be like, it's the holidays.

Now I can enjoy some eggnog. And I know people don't like eggnog. And next year it's be the year of Deadpool, which I'm not mad at. As you guys can imagine, it's going to be great to promote that all year. But if Deadpool is done right in the way that we think it will be. Yeah.

And it delivers on the way that we hope it could absolutely and play off of the stuff that we see in that mid-credit scene from Marvels. People are going to, the same feeling you had in Loki, episode four of, oh, my God, what's next? Yeah. That's what they should want. That's what made the first Captain Marvel make a billion dollars. And you know, this could feel like 2001 Spider-Man. It's a big summer movie. And that's it.

And that's it. It's one comic movie to look forward to. We could feel like comic movies used to. Yeah. a good, it really is a good thing for them overall. So I think I can't shake the Schmodo on 2002. Correct. Yeah.

It was the first one. Yeah. 2000, even was X-Men? 2002 was Spider-Man? Yeah. 2000? 2000- 2004, too. Spider-Man 2, 2004, yeah. And I know 98 was Blade, but that's all I remember correctly. Okay, because it was before Matrix.

I'd always blew my mind. I would love to say that I've shaken that. But like, it just is clear. The comments were going to correct me anyway. I want to do, we have two more stories here a little bit. I know that we go let, I hate this story. I really do. Fantastic for Jake Gyllenhaal rumored to be Marvel's first choice for Reed Richards.

And this is from our buddy Mark Cassidy over a comic book movie. Now that the strike is over, fans are awaiting casting announcements for some big upcoming comic book movies and Fantastic Four reboot right at the top of the list. We had been led to believe the main team had been cast prior to the strikes, but that might not have been the case. Last we heard, Vanessa Kirby was a lock for Sue Storm. While Stranger Things Breakout, Joseph Quinn was said to be close to signing to play Johnny, and the bear and Netflix Punisher actor Ebben Moss Barak is still rumored to be up for Ben Grimm. Adam Driver's name is frequently brought up as a contender for Reed Richards,

but it seems the studio may have someone else in mind to lead Marvel's first family as Mr. Fantastic. According to insider Daniel Rickman, Jake Gyllenhaal is now Marvel's first choice to play Richards. This isn't the first time we've heard the Academy Award nominee's name mentioned in the connection with the role, where the previous rumor was somewhat dismissed due to the fact that he already appeared as Mysterio. While this wouldn't be the first time we've seen an actor play more than one character in the shared world, Quentin Beck did have a fairly prominent part in the spidey sequel, so casting him as Richards would be an odd move by some fans. Matt Shankman will direct from a script by Jeff Kaplan and Ian Springer.

Plot details are a mystery, but Kevin Feingay has confirmed this will not be another origin story. And then Fantastic 4th set to be released on May 2nd. I think this would be a colossal error. Absolutely. Collossal error. I'm on the same page. Because we've talked about this before, moments like this, which is why I actually really loved the casting choice corn sweat, I guess, for Superman.

This is a moment where if you're on the precipice of becoming that guy or that gal, a role like this would do that for you. But then also it doesn't mean you don't bring people in. But the fact that he's already been in, there's no need to do this. That's more of my issue than the first part because if you have Vanessa Kirby, who's basically what you just said, she's known by people. She's not a major star. She's a phenomenal actress.

People who know her, love her. Oh, that's the lady from Mission Impossible or the Crown. So she's, to me, that's exactly what you're talking about. Same thing with dude from stranger things, right? even our boy from the bear. All recognizable, but not major stars. I think Reed Richards needs to be a star, but I don't think it needs to be a guy that's already in the MCU.

But see, I would, I would, I would. You got to sell it on some sort of power. You do, but Chris Evans wasn't that guy and then became the guy because of becoming Captain America. Reed Richards. Sure, but it was by himself. You're talking about, I'm talking about it when you have an ensemble cast already. You have those unknowns already in there. You do need, like, you still had, you still had Tommy Lee Jones in that movie.

You had, you know, that movie itself was still risky to do at the time. It was a smaller budget. This is a bigger budget. But then, but then if you want to do that, we've already talked about doing that with Doom. I think it's more important to have a veteran actor you know as Dr. Doom than you need to with, you know, I wouldn't say have somebody that's, like, green behind the ears. But somebody that's like, like, a Jensen Eccles who, like, has already, like, a statel. I don't think he'd be good for me Richards. But you know what I mean?

Like that level of, I'm right there. To me, this seems like they've been reading the trades and they've been hearing the word of mouth. And this seems reactionary. This seems like, hey, we were going to go with this, but we need someone who's a marquee name above the title. I think they're doing the opposite. I think this reads as we need Fantastic 4 to do 500 million guaranteed. We need movie stars. And this is a pivot because of the strike.

But I worry because I do think the casual viewer will be like, wait, we saw him in Spider-Man. and now he's over here. And unless they separate Spider-Man back out. Yeah, but I like the Adam Driver cast. I didn't have that. And Adam Driver is as big of a star as Jolnoll. And that I totally understand. And that's what I think what my issue is.

You either need to have somebody that is that vet and you're trying to bring in the star power. You need to have somebody that you're pushing them to that next level. The idea of kind of blaspheming on boat, it's like weird. But I also think Jake Jelenhal would have been a good choice. I do too. mysterious. Like as far as like his type is like and his ability, he's incredibly talented. But it also feels to me like he's

done some movies that didn't do as well as he wanted and he wants to go back to a blockbuster. Like as far as casting decision on his part. Who knows who it's true? Yeah. There's so many of these different rumors that are going around. But I, there was somebody that was that one of the audience suggested shoot and I wanted to talk about it. They suggested for Doom

that as much as I want Henry Cavill, they suggested this one person. I was like, oh, that would be really interesting if they did that. Was it, oh, you know, It was, it was Gossling. It was Ryan Gossling as Dr. Doom would be interesting. Gosselin can go dark. He's a little too old now.

Really? No, no, no, hold on. As opposed to Doom. What I would say for Gossing, he's a little too old, but his performance was so good in Barbia. I actually think he would have been a good Johnny Storm. Oh, yeah, sure. You know what I mean? 10 years ago.

Johnny Storm has, like, 10 energy. I think that would have. 10 years ago. Perfect truth. But we also know he can play dark. So to see him, that was the casting choice that someone said. But I happen to agree with you. If you're going to go like, hey, we can only put one major star in this movie, Doom or Richards, it's Doom all day.

It's also more everywhere because I feel like Doom is building to so many things. Yeah. What are you guys thinking? You think this is, if Gillen Hall indeed is, is it too confusing because of Mysterio? Got to hear your thoughts on it. All right. close out this show today. Let's talk about the Marbles.

All right, because there's a lot of stuff, whether it's the, we're going to do a full-on spoiler-heavy review on Monday's episode. So you'll be able to check that out, all three of us. But there's a lot of different stories here with this. I'm going to read a few of them, and then we'll talk about all of it.

The Marvels got $6.6 million on Thursday evening, but it is gearing up to be MCU's lowest opening weekend. The Marvels opened up in U.S. theaters yesterday, and after earning just 6.6, it doesn't seem like Captain Marvel will be breaking any box office records this weekend. While the Marvel's has managed to escape that dreaded rotten status on Rotten Tomatoes, it doesn't seem to have done much to help the Captain Marvel sequel at the box office. The Marvel Studios movie kicked off its North America run with a so-so 6.6 from Thursday early previews. Far cry from the 20.7 that Captain Marvel did back in 2019,

and then it went on to do $153 million during its opening weekend. Of course, helping that was the fact it was in between Avengers Infinity War and endgame. Three weeks ago, a 75 million, 80 million opening looked likely, but as with almost every title released post-pandemic, the numbers are off base. Instead, the Marvels is now opening between 60 to 65, giving it one of the lowest openings ever for an MCU title. To avoid becoming its lowest title, it'll have to beat the Incredible Hulk, which was 55.4 million, and Ant Man, which was 57.2. Marvel Studios is said to be hopeful that there's an interest and awareness and it's going to start picking up,

particularly as Veterans Day is on Friday instead of tomorrow, meaning kids aren't in school. Pundits will likely scramble to figure out when it all went wrong for the Marvels, though Marvel Studios will probably be setting its sights and delivering what should be a guaranteed $1 billion hit with Deadpool 3 next year, so there's nothing to say that the sequel won't have legs. Okay, so now the good news is that with the strike over, Marvel Studios has already started getting the cast involved with promoting the movie. Brie Larson tweeted it out. Ms. Marvel, her directed Nina Costa, was out there promoting it as well. And I think the rest of the cast kind of came out and did some stuff.

Yeah, Montvalani was that special outcast. Yeah, which is cool. I figured that they would be pushing hard and quick because I was even checking. I figured we would never see so many people getting bumped from late night. Oh, it's insane. And the only one I see here is that Brie Larson in Hittleston, are on Fallon tonight. Okay.

Which is fantastic, because Loki deserves some push, too. Yeah, yeah, for sure. All right, so then the final thing is talking about that rotten tomato score. The Marvel's is now in theaters, and while reviews for the 33rd Marvel Studios movie have been mixed, fans seem to be getting a little more out of need to cost of space-set superhero adventure. After hitting Rotten Tomatoes with a rotten score,

Captain Marvel sequel has climbed to 61 with 204 reviews. The score could slip back to 60, and the movie is unlikely to see certified fresh, but its audience score is sitting at a more encouraging 85%. Critical in audience reactions, the Marvels is looking at a rocky debut at the box office. The latest updates say the movie could do just $60 million. We just talked about that.

But the fact that the score went up, like I can tell you right away, so as we talk about this, and we're going to talk about it on a non-spoiler, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that where we stand right now, it seems like you and I are on the same page with this movie, and it seems like you liked it a little bit more.

So the, and which I think is a perfect, representation to what we can do on the spoiler, obviously, but even a little bit here, my initial thoughts of it, and we'll give your thoughts of it, and then get the idea of why it's a, got the rating that it does, and then the kind of box office it's going to do. So because I did my out of the theater, I did my full spoiler, I mean, my full nine spoiler review on it, I just think that the movie is not very well written. It starts off first 30 minutes, and I'm like, okay, this isn't as bad as I thought it was going to the way the people were hyping this thing up that it was going to be such a disaster.

It's messy and it starts off a bit chaotic. But for the most part, it seems like a normal kind of Marvel movie. It'll be generic. It seems. And then if something happens, there's a particular moment that happens in the movie. It's a bit that happens. And it lost me because it was so silly. And then it also just kind of disconnected the tone.

And then they get back and so, okay, well, here's the story. Here's the story. I'm like, okay, I'm kind of back. I'm kind of back. And then they do another bit. I'm like, oh, I'm really kind of out of this thing now. And then the other stuff that didn't work at all, the villain was just the most generic villain right there, Ronan. I don't know if this is just the actress just has tooth caps than whatever.

But I was like, why? I don't know. I don't know. It was weird to be. A lot of that stuff. And the way that the villains seemed like it was like Ronan. It was like who was the other one. The elf, the dark elf, I don't remember.

his name. Maliketh. Malacquith. Yeah. And it just went back into that. The stuff that worked again was Ms. Marvel, fantastic, major star. I thought the star, I thought Brie Larson was much better in this one than she was in the first one. I thought she was really engaged. I thought the fact that what

the storyline with her and Monica should have been the major focus, even more so than it was, playing on the emotional things. And Sam Jackson is literally, this is not a joke, is sitting in a seat, doing this. That's because I think my boys. He's done. He's done.

He's done. And he's earned it. And he's tired. But he was, but he was barely I mean, he did nothing in the movie. But because I have my reaction of it, I think we should shift to the positive. So overall thoughts, what you liked about it. I don't know

outside of the guardians where I've seen such good chemistry between the main stars of an MCU film. I think Iman, is it Imon or Imani?

It's Imman, right? Amon Valania. Yeah, Amon. She is, if Kamala Khan is supposed to be that whole mentality of, oh my God,

I worship Captain Marvel and the Avengers and all that, and that's what we feel about superheroes and how we would be if all of a sudden we had powers and we got asked to do.

She is that lifeblood. She is that heart of it. And so every time she's on the screen, whether she is too hyped or she's upset because she got cut out of something or she maybe screwed up or whatever. You are instantly just drawn into her every single time. And then Tiana Paris does an incredible job too. And I truly believe that Brie has taken the character a step further.

There's a part of me and we'll talk about it more on Monday that I feel some type of way. And it's not, I'll explain more than so people don't get like, don't get all touchy-feely right now. I'm not, I'm not coming for Brie. but I just, all I'm saying is that the three of them is what keeps the movie going. I understand what you're saying about at times. It becomes so jarring that you're being pulled out. If you get pulled out of a movie, it's hard to really get back into. I don't disagree with anything that you just said as far as the chemistry of the three actresses.

I just wish they were in a better movie. But, but, Coy, what do you think? My big issue is this is one of the only times I have felt like Marvel has kind of filled in all the coloring books. circles that everyone that hates comic movies feels like they are. I completely agree the chemistry is incredible when they let it be on screen, but you're so busy throwing a hundred things at the screen. You cut away from every time there's any chemistry. There's a great scene on the ship that I was really viving with and I was really connecting

with. And they like made it into a montage that felt like there were other scenes that were just talking that could have made it more wholesome and real. And the stuff between Carol and Monica really undermine both of them because I do think Carol is much more Carol Danvers in this movie. I feel like Brie Larson really, really got to be Carol. But I feel like the story they're trying to tell through Monica and the villain and everyone around Carol, even Miss Marvel, you never get to feel any of the weight because they rush around it. I never got to feel any sort of impact with how Carol felt about Miss Marvel because they'd be like, okay, they've acknowledged that storyline or how Monica, you know, the time that was missing from Carol and Monica, they're like, okay, we acknowledge it.

it's a movie of acknowledging importance but never letting importance feel important and it's a movie that feels like it's edited by committee it's a movie that feels like a director got to direct a few scenes but then they did coverage that someone else decided was better it's a movie that feels like the production designer got told like do this but later on i'm got to fix it here and the additional photography felt absolutely put in it's all of the roller coaster that scorzzi thinks these movies are without the weight that makes them worth the roller coaster ride to me and it's really disappointing to me because I don't want this movie to be something that people can point to and say, look, comic movies don't work. Worse yet, look, women can't open a movie. Look, they don't have this because it should be they take more time for the first team movie

like this, not less. And it felt like everyone got hamstringed, the actors, the director, everyone making this movie just didn't get to make the movie they agreed to make. Jeez, dude, tell us how you really feel. I am so disappointed. No, totally. I think you made some very valid points.

The question to you guys is, are you going to see it this weekend? Let us know. Before we leave, question for you, Winston. Let's see who wins next week. Give me opening weekend. What does it make? 85. Okay.

Coy. 62. See, you're in my range. 63.5. The reason why I'm going 85, I think already having enough audience. doing that and I think having a small little blitz of press that's coming out again you'll you'll you'll again we'll talk about it more on Monday um I have already seen a blitz amongst a lot of the women in my life because of Barbie and bisona and taylor swift this summer that they're like

let's go support this film and I and I think that that will be enough it's not going to make it but bust box office numbers and it's not going to get it to where I still think it might break even or lose money, but I think it might hit 85. Can I also say, with everything I just said, I still want people to see it. I do. Please, please see it. So like, if you don't misinterpret that as like, but don't go, go because so many people are having so much fun with it, but that's my honest opinion, which is mine, not yours, so go. Well, what I had said to, and I stick by this too, go if you want to see it. Like, go if you

want to see it. Like, if you, if you, if you, if you, don't, don't listen to people that you, look, if you're, because what I will tell you is that people saw my out of the theater reaction and said, oh man, that's a bummer. You was on the same page. And those same people came back and go, I liked it. Yes, I got a ton of that. So go back and see if you want to see it. If you're curious, if you didn't want to see it and you never wanted to see it, then spend your money on something else. That's how this thing works.

It doesn't mean, you know, but also in the same way that I said before, make sure that you're expressing yourself in the way that Koi just did or that Winston just did or hopefully myself did and where you're not being either super hateful or going after somebody if they didn't like it, no need to call him name. No need to make accusations about their character if they're presenting themselves in a way. If you have accurate, if you have accurate criticisms on it and you're presenting yourself in a professional way, doesn't mean you're misogynistic. Doesn't mean that you're racist. It means you didn't like the film. So now, as I said, there is a flip side to that, that if you're being an absolute lack of better word, asshole or scumbag or someone who is just calling out someone because of, again, because of, they are a woman or because they're a person of color, then you need to check your life because that's not what it's about.

But you should be able to give an accurate description of a movie and say if you liked it or not without being hurled accusations at. So that being said, I hope that you guys, again, to also bring up, yes. That was really well done, white man. Thank you, sir. So what I will say also is to all the veterans out there, happy veterans. Day. Happy Veterans Day. Thank you for everything that you do. And

to my Pops, happy Veterans Day, Pops. Thank you guys for joining us here, Dave. Coy, where can the people find you? You find me on TikTok, Instagram, and newly reawakened my YouTube. I grew it like a thousand in my Cats Marvel review, so a lot of people tuned in and then followed there, so I appreciate it. It's one of my highest.

I got like 22,000 views on that thing. So thank you for tuning into my YouTube, but check me out there. And also thank you to everyone that's been understanding of my experience of a film, not always being positive. I appreciate you guys. Winston. What's up? We're going to find you. At the Swaggy Blurred on all

the things, man, you know, on the TikToks and the Instagrams and the Twitter X's and YouTube. That's the one thing that I'm really excited about. I actually had been shooting a lot of content during the strike. I just didn't release any of it for obvious reason. So a lot of my CPT reviews, those are going to be coming out.

I'm actually going to probably blitz all of my Loki reviews because I had recorded one through four and again, sat on them. So all of that stuff is going to be coming out. So please, I would greatly appreciate if you go over to my YouTube channel

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We'll see on Monday for the spoiler review. Peace.