The Kristian Harloff Show - MAJOR NEWS! Can the new Favreau Mandalorian film turn Star Wars around?

Episode Date: January 10, 2024

Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow The news dropped that Jon Favreau will be directing a standalone Mandalorian movie with Grogu for the big screen. The news also revealed that it would be the FIRSt movie to hit theaters since The Rise Of Skywalker. This means it is before both the Rey film and the Filoni film. Is this the right move overall? When will the other films debut? Speaking of Filoni, Ahsoka Season 2 is officially happening and where will that fit in on the grand scheme of things. Tales Of The Jedi couold have two spinoff series and how important is The Skeleton Crew for the survivial of Star Wars television? This and more on today's Big Thing with Kristian, Steph and Mike. #starwars #movies #themandalorian #grogu #babyyoda #film #tv  OUR SPONSORS: TRADE: Right now, Trade is offering a free bag with select subscription plans when you visit http://www.drinktrade.com/bigthing AG1: Try AG1 and get a FREE 1-year supply of Vitamin D3+K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase exclusively at http://www.drinkAG1.com/BIGTHING OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-... FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls...  

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It is Wednesday. And, man, we got a lot of Star Wars news, a lot. The main news, obviously, is the fact that there was rumors for a bit that the Mandalorian was going to kind of scrap season four of what it was intended to be and be a film instead. And then there were rumors it was going to be the first one out, the gate, instead of the Ray movie. And that's exactly what happened for sure. The question is, is there still going to be a season four of Mandalorian? John Favro is directing this film, as we suggested on this show many, many times, and now that is coming to fruition?

Is that the right move to lead with a Favreau movie first? Did it have anything to do with Obed Chenois' comments and setting the internet on fire, or was it always the plan? Asoka, season two, looks like it's going to happen. Inside of this article, the same thing. People have been asking this question, what the hell's going on with it? There was like a report not even a week ago. Rosario Dawson was kind of skeptical about it.

And, well, maybe it was just her playing coy. So we'll see. We are going to talk about some other stuff. Tales from Jedi or of the Jedi, whatever it is. Apparently, they're going to do a spinoff series. I don't know if you hear, do you hear this? Spinoff series is going to, I'm not even going to tell Steph. I'm not even going to tell stuff yet.

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Tons of news. Tons of news. Even when we were coming up to, we were going to do a show together obviously this week and then the Star Wars news drops. So we're like, we definitely have to talk about that. We've been talking about what movie it was going to be. What they were going to lead with. It seemed like the Ray movie was going to be the first one. That's what everyone thought, even with the information coming out with Obey Chenoid having that interview, which went over like a fart in an elevator.

But overall, they're still going forward with the movie. And as they should, I still think you do a Ray movie. And I will tell you why I think leading with this Favro movie is obviously the smart choice and obviously the better choice. and I have other questions that go into that. But let's get to the actual article from Star Wars Newsnet. Okay, so for my buddy Miguel Fernandez over at Star Wars Newsnet, The Mandalorian and Grogu movie to go into production in 2024 and also Asoka Season 2 is in the works.

So Lucasfilm has announced a new theatrical feature, and it is called The Mandalorian and Grogu. Coming from director John Favro. It will go into production. this year, and I only get that noise for the title itself. The movie itself is. I agree. In addition, Star Wars.com has confirmed that Asoka Season 2 is in the works.

And this is what Favreau said. I have loved telling stories said in the rich world that George Lucas created. The prospect of bringing the Mandalorian and his apprentice Grogo to the big screen is extremely exciting. Kathleen Kennedy said, John Favro and Fuloni have ushered into Star Wars two new

and beloved characters, and this new story is perfect fit for the big screen. Kennedy, Favro, Follone, are the executive producers. No writer has been announced, but it seems logical to assume that Favro will be taking credit. Plot details are unknown. Pedro Piscall further the discussion on his Instagram page, adding to the story, Ryan Church's concept art, along with the Hay Mando theme from Ludwig Gorinson, the very first piece of music used in the series. This likely confirms that Pascal will be involved, quilling any fears, he might leave the role. Okay, so we'll start with that. We'll get into the

took a thing in a little bit. This makes all the sense in the world. Now, when we were talking about this originally, we said there was a rumor that Mandalorian season four, because during the writer's strike and there was a lot of different, there was a lot of talk of when they were going to put that out, how it was going to add into Filoni's movie. And then it was like, okay, well, then there was major rumors that came out a while ago that it could be turned into a film. And then Jeff Snyder reported on it, said the same thing that it would probably be going into production first, which I also heard at one point. And

then I said, I think it was you and I, it's got to be Favreau. It has to be Favreau. It makes the most sense in the world to make it Favreau because some people say, well, this will be the Fuloni movie. No, because Flonni's going to do Asoka and then he's got to do his movie. What you do with Favro

is the same thing you did with Season 1 of Mandalorian. The fan base right now, again, is eating itself alive. So Mandalorian was the show that both sides of the fandom came together and go, all right, this is this kind of Star Wars, and that's what they're trying to accomplish, because they need to accomplish that in a feature film. They have to, if they want success, if they're going to spend $200 million and get it back in, to have any bickering back and forth and having any controversy, no matter how much you believe in your director or not, going into your first movie. and granted, it'll be that movie will, the Ray movie will come out in 2026 or 27, whatever it does, and people forget unless there's more stuff that continues to come out,

but it can't be the first one. And this movie, they said, is going into production this year. So, Steph, I'm going to start with that. Where does this, when does this movie come out? Because if you shoot it this year, and to, with a little of a writer, well, he wrote the scripts, obviously. It was the Mandalorian season and it turned into a movie. When does this movie come out?

I think the Christmas of 2025. You think so? Yes. Okay. And I think it makes a lot, because we kept joking like 2026. I don't know who I'm going to be then. 2025 I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I'll still be here, I think.

So I'm excited. That makes more sense to me. And I do agree with you completely. I think that he wrote a season four or a treatment for it. And it maybe felt better as a movie. Apparently he wrote the whole season. Okay. Yeah.

So, but I think that could be a really great, some of the best movies are from books, right? You have like an entire thing of knowledge and stuff that you're pulling from. So it could be good that I like that. In last season, it felt like a little exhaustive some episodes where it could have been cooler condensed into a movie. So I think that that's taking a great opportunity to make it a movie. I think the fans need a movie. I personally would look more forward to a Mandalorian movie than a next season. 2025

December Yeah would be fantastic if they can get it done in time Right no drama If they can get it done I think there's a lot of different reasons Why I don't think that will happen One of the reasons is Avatar

I don't think they're going to want to compete with Avatar And that that is Okay Because it got pushed It got pushed So that's and that's already started shooting They don't want to have two of their big releases So what I think happens

And this is Mike Roy, I would ask you. If you agree with me, disagree with me. But I think that with the descent, it's going to be May of 2026, which was supposed to be the Ray date. And then Faloni's movie was going to be 2026 of December. So the question is, do they do, okay, let's hit this strong. Let's do this movie, the Mandalorian, which comes out in May. Asoka will come out right after it, which will tie into it. Fuloni's movie will wrap that up.

Or do they say, no, let's give Dave a little more time. Let's do the the Mandalorian movie in May of 2026, the Ray movie in December, then do Asoka, then do Mandalorian season for proper, then do whatever else. Skeleton Crew and all those Skeleton Crew, too, if it's good or whatever it might be,

then close out with Faloni in May of 2027. What do you think? You have no opinion on the matter. No, I got a lot of opinions because I wanted to start this year and be more positive about everything in life. Can't do it. I feel right now with Star Wars is DC six years ago. Wow. They don't know what's going on over there.

Still? I don't think there's any plan over at Lucasfilm right now with what is going on. Okay. You think they're throwing it at the wall? How long goes it Kathleen Kennedy going? We're doing three movies. Right. How long ago was that?

Now we got what, six in development? Right. Well, she did say, no, you're not three movies. You mean we're going to do a movie every three years. But they had announced three. Well, she said, yes. At one point, she said, we're going to do like event things. We're going to have it come out every three years.

And that was after they said, okay, we're pumping the brakes. Right. And then within, this is the thing now. This is the mandate now. Right. I don't know what's going on. I have no idea. Yeah.

Do you like this Favreau choice, though? I'll tell you this. Okay. If this movie. comes out, Mandelorian and Grogo, I hope that's a working title. Me too.

I hope that's a working title. I'll tell you why I don't think it is afterwards. I don't think it is either. I think it's it. I want this movie to come out and I want it to be the Mandalorian and Grogu and maybe Grief Karga.

And I love Katie, friend of the show. I don't want to see Bow in there. I don't want to hear a Dark Sabre. I don't want to hear a mythosaur. I don't want to hear a Mandalor. The world is

in flames and we got to go back to it. None of that. You want to simple. I want to see. him to be a Western. I want it to be an $80 million L. Mariahe Western. Bring the fans back. You got the fans on board with Mando season one.

That brought Star Wars back. And then look where we came since Mando 1, all over the place. Just tell a simple story with that guy and that kid and a far-off galaxy doing Mando shit in the first episode. Like just win the fans back, win the audience. Because again,

this can't be insider baseball. This can't be Asoka. This is going to be a four quadrant Disney put all their marbles behind this thing, the theme parks, everything, you've got to make it for general audiences. You have to. I don't disagree with that. You have to make this simple. Sure. I mean, you can make it simple if you're just

essentially paying, if you just get Brendan Wayne in there and you're paying Pedro for his voiceover work, right? I was going to say, if they're pushing this, because he's going to be doing fantastic four, most likely. Yeah, to say, to say, it's a point about hitting the thing, they've got it all set up. They got the studio down there. They got the volume.

They've got the familiarity. Of working with the same crew. You can go and knock this thing out. I hope they don't do volume, though. I have to do real locations. I hope they don't do volume. Especially for Western. I know.

It's a movie. I don't know. But he was the one that did it so well. It's the other filmmakers that came in that didn't know how to do it. They had to be shut. But our eyes weren't. We got fooled faster. Now our eyes are...

Yeah, but go back and watch that season one. Can't get fooled again. Yeah, we're figuring out. We can't fool me again. But I just think that this is... Yeah, they need to do locations. The reason why I think the Favreau choice is so great. I think it's...

It's so great because he... It's perfect. This is the guy that, you know, a lot of circles give him credit, and rightfully so, for basically starting the MCU. There wouldn't be an MCU without him. There's no MCU without him. And look at he also did. Regardless of what...

what you say about the Lion King. Grand was kind of a shot by shot remake. And the Jungle Book was fantastic too, too. I love the Jungle Book. I think he's a great director. Those movies, those two that I mentioned, or they just completely

changed the technology and it was ahead of its time and the things and he's did the same thing with the volume. So if he can actually make a movie, I agree with you, I hope that they scale it down. They make it, they won't. It'll be a $200 million movie. It should be a massive space battles. $120 million movie.

$120 million. And you're not paying Pedro. You're probably going to have to pay somebody to be in it. You'll pay Pedro, but he's not getting a rate that he would where his face is the lead of everything. Right, and they'll probably push him. They're probably pushed for... Hey, Pedro, you're going to work a week.

We got you for... Right. And I know it's a different scale, but I just want to say this. I want to be positive. Of all the Star Wars movies announced. You're excited. This is the most excited to this one that I think has a potential to be incredible and be

I don't care about money, but I know people do. Of course. The box office success that they need. That's exactly, no, money is an absolute thing. It is. What you just said, though, was the reason this announcement was made. Yeah. Because what you just said, that's going to get most people to go, look, I couldn't give a crap about this.

I don't even know if that mangled thing really is going to happen. Who knows what these other movies are? I have no idea. But when you hear Favro, you hear that they're going to do this Mandalorian movie. Okay. Now, the reason for the title, as much as I think it is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. The Mandalorian and Grogu.

That's what it's going to be. It's going to be like... It's not like Batman or Robbins. No, it's this summer, and at the very end of it, it's like, watch a journey. Unlike anything you've seen in a far, far away, it is Mandalorian and Grogu. It's so silly, but people know it. Of course. Casual people know it.

I know they do casual fans. So when they say baby Yoda, baby Yoda, when they hear, oh, at first even, who's Grogu? And then it's like, it's baby Yoda, grandma. Oh, I'd like to see that one before I crap out. And that goes back to what they created with the first one. Right. That was like a zeitgeist.

It was like everyone wanted that baby Yoda. Like, remember the merchandise? They didn't have it. And they had to rush it in. And it's like, I get it. I get the reason they call it that. 100%. But it has the potential to really be the Star Wars that gets people back.

Right. I think they're going to use. I think Pedro's going to, they're going to unmask him way more if it's a movie. You think so? Yes. I don't disagree with the logic. But as Mike said, though, if they're going into production now in 2024, well, first of all, if they are, this has been in the works for a while and he probably has been locked in. You want to talk about the schedule.

I can't talk about you cut me off. But go ahead. But it's on the topic of course. Right. So we think the script is written pretty much. Yes. Superman is hitting Summer of 25

And that's You know, pretty much you could say That that was being written You know, maybe he should have been working During the strike or whatever If you know But they're getting up in for March Mm-hmm

This timeline No June To film. Oh to film To film Okay And June of the following year To film with this one

If they've got a script written There's no reason they don't hit 25 I think the avatar thing is a thing What do you think about summer 25? That's too dead You don't think they'll Barbenheimer like Mandela Lott... Two different studios,

Palmer Brothers and Universal. Avadorian? Avodorian? That was just... That was a happy accident. That was it. Why, if you're Disney and you have had the year that you had this year, and you know that Avatar is going to crush, why would you take any...

I don't want to hear any of those discussions. Do you think it's going to make a billion again? Of course it is. Of course. Of course it is. The second one slapped. Of course it is. But kill Spider.

But you're not. You're not going to get anywhere near you, why would you do that? Because, especially when, because 2025, so I'm actually doing, I shot it already with Sean Chandler, we did a full 2024 preview of the entire year. There's some good releases in 2024. 2025 is everything that had to get pushed because of the strike. 2025 is going to be one of the most, now whether it makes, they all make money, I don't know, but it's going to be the most massive years in cinema history with the stuff that's coming out.

It's like bangers coming out. So to push that into 2025, I think it is more likely that they're going to announce, because they're also, they made it very clear not to announce this, by the way, when it was coming out because they're probably going, we don't know yet. Yeah, they shouldn't. They're going to target May of 20. My prediction, let's predict it right now. I say May of 2026, would say you now.

Oh. Now I say that too. Okay. They'll have, yeah, May the fourth party. Right. I'll play opposite to you guys and I'll say summer 25. Ooh. I'm just going off of I'd make it a bet, but you don't pay off.

I don't know what the, shut the hell up. I don't know what the dates the calendar looks like for the year because 2025 you've got Superman, Mission 8. So at the moment, at the moment, May of 2025 is Fantastic 4, so I think that hurt your argument right there. If he is indeed... That ain't going. You don't think Fantastic 4 is in Atlanta, May 2nd?

Nope. You're crazy. We don't even have a cast yet. Oh, yeah, we do. It does have been announced. So Fantastic 4 will hit and that's a Disney movie. So I would say your argument craps out there. I didn't say May. I said July. Okay.

I said summer. All right, summer. I said May. So I think I'm out. You said, no, you said May. You said May of 2026. Oh, 26. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So December initially is what you had said, Steph, of 2025. But I agree with that. Yeah, at the current moment, December 25 has Avatar 3 and Cat and a Hap. I mean, again, nobody's going to want to touch. No one, no one's releasing in, in Disapparral. December because they don't want anything to do with Avatar. That's interesting. They have the Jordan Peel movie. I bet he changes that.

Maybe, but I mean, that's, but not it just says during 2020. Oh, okay, okay. And that says the Batman is in October? Yeah. Is that October 3rd? That says October 3rd at the moment. That's one slated for. What kind of date is that?

I don't know. I mean, that might be, I mean, that gives me hope for that movie. Oh, I think. Even more so. I like the first one a lot. Yeah, I think they're going for the spooky season. I mean, I know what the first movie was, I said Halloween. Like, I may be, but look, let me, I'm just going to read real quick.

It came out in March, but it was set in Halloween. Oh, okay. I want to read something real quick. Okay, so this is just some of them. I'm going to read it really fast. This is some of the stuff that's coming out in 2025, just to give you guys a scale of 2025. Okay. Megan 2.0, Paddington in Peru.

You got untitled movies, Captain America, Brave New World, Smurf movie, Snow White, Minecraft, Untitled Disney Universal movies, Exorcist movie, Fantastic Four. Mission Impossible Part 2, the Dead Reckoning, Elio, How to Train Your Dragon Live Action, Black Phone 2, Moana Live Action, Superman Legacy, Thunderbolts, Batman Part 2, Blade, Wicked Part 2, Avatar 3. Now, that's just some of the movies.

There's tons and tons of untitled projects that haven't even have to get spots yet. So there is something to be said about 2025 if you maneuver in the right way. I just think that there's no world where they're going to want to do. If Avatar, Avatar moves every other Thursday, though, so you never know. Totally. I don't know.

I just feel that it's, if it was a new director coming on board to work out a Mandalorian script and they're just like, hey, we want to develop the Mando as a movie. Right. Who are we going to shop to for a director? The fact that they have such a shorthand of working together, all those people. And Pedro, the fact that he doesn't have to be on set is such a blessing to that movie. because they don't have to work around. Every time movies are like scheduling, scheduling, scheduling,

a actor, he's one of the most highly, what's the word? Prolific actors right now. So he's everywhere. But he can record. He can do that at home from a voice booth if you wanted to. I do think that Steph's not wrong, though, where I think he'll have, they'll have some scenes with him, for sure, so they can market with him and those things.

But I just think that this movie, I don't think they're going to go past. I think it allows them not to rush, though, if they hit that May 26 and they push everything else. But it gives you four movies, though, now that you're doing. Right. So you think. Not including Tyca. We're not going to have a Star Wars movie in seven years?

Seven, dude. 19 was the last one. So, yeah, it would be seven years. At least seven. I'm saying seven. No, you're saying six. I'm saying you're going to be seven. And that's not to say, like, I know people come at me like, there was what's the time between this and the phantom menace?

Yeah, I know. And it was a dead period. There were comic books and novels. I don't think a lot of people would say that too because it wasn't, because it was an active. It's active now. It's active. And to not have it and to be active is weird. Well, it's just a...

You understand this. You're Patty Jenkins, you're a massive fan of. Yes. You know her movie was supposed to come out about two weeks ago. I know. I saw a couple posts about that. They kept posting that thing they made. That's the thing, though.

That's a sad thing, but this is what they still have not learned from. They're still announcing dates. That's what I'm saying. But this, I think everybody, even yourself, agree, this movie is going to happen. Yes. 100%. Yeah. this script is done.

This script is done. It's a done script. They said, oh, there's no writer yet. It's the script's done. I think they'll tweak it, you know, because for episodic, you have to, you know, do chapter breaks and whatnot. I think there'll be a different thing. I think the Tyca thing is gone.

I think the Mangled movie's gone. Cheneid's movie's going. Which one? Mangled and... Mangled's gone, you think? Mengled and Tycas are gone. I don't think they are. I think they are gone.

I think they'll be working together. I think they'll still, I think they'll still be working together. I think they'll still be plotting along, but I think if another movie comes up that Mengold's interested in. Because isn't he working with DC2? Yeah, he's doing Swamp thing though. Yeah. So I think... I don't know. I think that one...

Think about us guys when we're together when you get involved with something, but then something else catch your eye that you like more and you shirt going. I'm still working with this and I'll check in with you, Lucasfilm, but I'm going to be paying attention to Acolyte. And why I say that is because they, for some silly reason, I think over there have this idea

that they don't think they can do anything farther in the past because it's not going to connect and people are not going to be able to connect to the Skywalker's and all this stuff and that time period. Everything's done in the same freaking time period. Ackleid's not one of those things.

So curious to see how that is going to play and I think that they look at that and if it does well and people respond to it well, I think that whether right or wrong they're going to go, oh, okay, maybe we should do this Mangold movie and move forward with it because it is so far the past. People loved those farther than the past.

And again, for right or wrong, I think if it doesn't do well, and people complain about the other one, they might go, oh, people don't want to see that time period, which again is, is the same types of thing that I heard about the Manda movie and everything too. And I said it and I did a post about it, and be like, oh, they're wrong, you're wrong. I'm not wrong.

I don't think Filoni is a big fan of the old republic. And I hate that. But I don't think it's going to happen. We'll see if the High Republic continues, and they're going to do this. thing this is in the old republic mangles movie this is like the beginning of like the Jedi and

the Sith and discovering all this shit so what's wrong I'm just torn I'm just torn because you know how you say Falunni's not a fan of that you know and I'm trying to for myself put into context because all that stuff was created not by Lucas it was the books and all that

stuff the games whereas let me say like let's say James Gunn with D.C. If James Gunn made an announcement, like, ah, yeah, that stuff in the 80s with the Justice League International, I just don't dig that. And I would feel like, ah, man, that's not that great. It would be great for our universe going forward.

He doesn't like one of the seminal pieces of comics. Right. I don't like the golden age stuff in D.C. I just like modern age non-forward. So to have your guy that's in charge of your entire thing going, I don't like this area. And again, this is a- It's tough because- But it's rumor and it's like from, it's reporting.

So it's like maybe. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's not. But I just believe the reporter. So it's like I think that there's just this Mangold movie is something I'm being interested in. And what people, the same, this is how this business is, as you guys know. If you would have told everybody that Mangold's got this movie coming out now right after Logan, who boy, everybody's lining up for it.

Now people are like, that's the guy that did Indiana Jones? And it's like, you're only as hot as your last film. That's exactly what it is. And it sucks to say that. It's true. But it is the think of Hollywood. So I think that I'm very curious about when that's going to come out. If I'm going to predict it, I do think it'll be May of 2026 is the Favreau movie.

Wow. I'm going to say that they're going to do, I think it's, I think because if my strategy would be release that one in May of 2025. Yeah. Sorry, May of 2026. You're right. release Filoni's movie in December of

26 have them tie in together have Assoca during that time period but Avatar No that's 2025 Oh yeah And then 2026 and then

push the Ray movie into May of 2027 Because now what you do inside of all of that is you give yourself So much distance You give yourself Not only with comments

And all that stuff But you give yourself Distance with Ray It'll be you know Almost It'll be what 8 years since she'd been on screen, which will be perfect for what they're doing.

It's years later, she's building out the Jedi Order. And end, if these two movies hit and Star Wars fans are like, woohoo, okay, fine. Yeah, I'll see, look, you did two great movies now. You guys are back to back, great movies. I'll go see a third one. I think you give everybody a cushion in order to do that. And then if Mangold decides he still wants to make a movie,

then you put that out in December of 2027. Yeah. That's what I would say. You don't like that plan? No. You just thinking? I'm so, because I'm sorry. Yeah.

As you guys talk, I'm listening, but I'm like, okay, so then, but there is Amanda Season 4 coming. We think. We think. You know what I think they should do? Yeah. Here's my thought, my two cents. Okay.

Take it, you give me back change if you want. Okay. I think Mando and Grogu is a very specific time. Mendo and Grogu. I think because that movie, the season three ended so perfectly for them like, hey, he's back here, I got a little farm, I got a little kid. You know, you got any work, throw it my way. Right.

And just do that. I think Mando 4, you make Bocatan's show. Like unforgiven almost in the movie? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think Mando 4 you make Katie Sackoff, Bokutan, her show. She's a Mandalorian.

People, look, but if you let, there's no one else that would want that more than me, but I just think the audience will lose their mind. But I think if you make it, you got to, I mean, I don't want her coming out and doing announcements, Kennedy again. But you make Mando and Groger, boom, You got a movie.

You guys earned after three seasons. The thing you loved in season one, we're giving you all of that on his own. Katie, Mando 4. That's her show. Because remember people were talking about it. Well, it's called the Mandalorian. It didn't really focus on Bowe's like, yeah,

focuses on Bo. Well, it's called the Mandalorian. It's just, it was such a good transition to let it go. I wouldn't want that for Katie in the fact that. Why? Show for herself? No, not that. The fans.

It's because. The fans love her. They do, but it would be, unfair to her because they were she already got so I saw her she get we see stuff on her podcast too that she gets she'll get shit shit for like oh you ruined middle of it's right them it's very rare it's very rare that we see that because it's most most people even people like myself who didn't love that season I think she was the best part of the season yeah I agree if I think the people were upset because like it was we're seeing three seasons of his show and he's not in

it right but now if you make it they I know with the information getting out there is tough. Yeah. But it's just like, it's so perfectly segueed into, unless season four is his story, then you're telling what the movie's going to be. Right.

Him on that farm. It'd be interesting. But look, it really depends on what the, it all needs to lead up to this philoni movie. Now, the question is, if they are going to do another Mandalorian season, if the Foloni movie is the end of this universe,

if it's the series finale, if you will, that's the question. It doesn't, it doesn't seem like it if they're going to do another season of Mandalorian because they're not going to do that and take another time. Well, Asoka would come out before that movie.

Right, so it's building to the movie. Yeah, but that we're in, if he's, if Asoka, we'll get, you know, we'll talk about Asoka in just a second, but what I will like to talk to you guys about. Steph, are you, you love trade. You love Trade Coffee. So Trade Coffee is actually, it's, we're doing a lot more with them and they're here to do a lot more for you

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I do think that Ludwig's going to be scoring that movie. Oh, that'll be amazing. He didn't score part three. Yeah. Season three. Yeah. In demand. He was highly in demand because he just did Oppenheimer.

Yeah. And he's going to win for that for the Oscar. So you'll have an Oscar, an Oscar-winning composer for Mandalorian. And they have a really good relationship. And Disney has a good relationship with them. I think that's a, I think that's a done. deal. I don't think, I don't think John Williams. John Williams did come back, I didn't say, he's not retiring. He's the best. He's like, he's, people say, that guy is 93 years young.

It's crazy. Yeah, he is, he, and I've, I've been, I've been lucky enough to be in a room with that guy, like five different times. Really? And every time, like, you see, look, I'm around people in my own family that, at 80, oh, where the hell am I? Right. This guy, he might as well be going party in the clubs. Perfect posture. I really hope he does the bowl again because I got really scared. I missed that. Have you never seen him? No. If he does it, I am there.

It took me one year. I've been twice. I've been twice. I've been twice. I'm pretty awesome. Yeah, Doreena goes every year. I'm like, why didn't you take me? I'd like to go if it's a year, especially if I'm if I'm here or not, but if, um, but I'd like to, at least if I come back to visit to do it.

All right. Let's see. Let's do. let's do Asoka. Here it is. We kind of suspect that this was coming, but it's nice to get some confirmation from Lucasfilm from time to time. Again, Miguel Fernandez over at Star Wars Newsnet. Coincidentally, it came out just a few days after a new interview with Rosario Dawson, which aired with the actress said that Lucasfilm was waiting for the new year to make a final decision on whether to move forward with the second season, with Asoca, executive producer, Carrie Beck, and showrunner, Dave Filoni, promoted to new positions in the light of the success of the series, it seemed like a no-brainer that they're doing more. At the same time, the new season will inevitably delay production on the Dave Faloni directed film, or there you go, which is set to culminate the stories from all the new Republic era shows, James Mangal, also directing a film set 25,000 years in the past. That's interesting. That kind of goes back into everything we were just talking about. I'm sure Miguel already has written me a DM at this point about telling me why he, and he's probably right, where as he

he writes that, and if he thinks that Asoka is going to take up a lot of Flonini's time, obviously, from writing it, writing a feature film, directing a feature film, and getting that out by December of 26 might be unlikely. So maybe it is going to be Favreau's movie in May of 26, the Ray movie in December, and then this movie hits in May of 27. Mm-hmm. You think that's more likely? Yeah. Yeah?

I do because I think that it took a long time for the Asoka season one just to work on it. It's a big project, obviously. So I think that he's taking his time with it. I wouldn't be surprised if it takes a while, especially because of the sequence of the stories. That's right. It's crucial to the lead into, like now what him and,

because him and Favre worked together, obviously, and all this stuff, what would be great is if they, inside of this movie, I agree with you, Mike, they have to make it, you know, accessible to the casual audience. However, what you could do inside of that film

is say, hey, this is going to, push us towards Asoka here, right, the next season. And then if you're a casual fan, you go, well, what's that? Well, you got to watch it on Disney. And then you're bringing in new fans. You're not lost from watching it. You just want to go watch the next one because it's going to lead into Asoka, which will then lead into Faloni's movie, which ties it all together.

So I think he's probably right, Miguel, that the amount of time it's going to take to do all this, unless, unless he writes all of it, films all of it, you know, movie and show. The question is, is he going to change up his style at all? Because I wonder if he listens to the criticisms or I wonder if he's just like, nah, I like to kind of do it the way I'm going to do it. Because there's some, and I like a lot of the stuff in Asoka, I do. There's some really silly writing in it, as I mentioned many times. There's stuff that you could have, but stuff that didn't need to be, stuff that could

have been fixed like that, little moments. and I wonder if it's going to be less of the, you know, because I mentioned it seems stuff that could work in rebels, but that can't work in rebels in animated, that can't work in live action. What does that mean? Because for some reason, certain things and certain movements and certain ways that things play in animated,

you can get away with because of the way that your eye looks at and you go, okay, fine, and even certain little moments. And I don't think I would have minded it as much. If maybe I would have, maybe I wouldn't, if Sabine uses the force and then he, he chucks, she, you know, chucks him across. And I just wish that he would have told her to do it. I just, I would have been okay so much more with that scene.

If he would have been like, you just, I have faith in you. Do it. Throw my ass. She's like, I just learned how to do that. Trust. And said, she's like, no, I'm cool. I know how to do it now. I figured it out.

It's like, what I'm talking about. So I hope the writing's a little better. I am nervous about his movie. I hope he gets, I hope that Filoni gets like a really seasoned screenwriter to write that film. he's not going to you think he's going to write his film I hope he doesn't so I really hope he doesn't it takes a rare person

to know that they're really good at one thing and not the best at another like you know James Cameron's one of my favorites he's not the best dialogue writer and he will never not write his own dialogue I'm not putting them in the same bin obviously I don't mind his dialogue as much I don't mind it as much I think he pulls it off because he's James Cameron

and everything else makes it okay but I do think he's he's Like if his movies could be punched up just a little bit with a person to come in. But he won't do that. I think most of these people are so, especially him, Volone, creating these characters that he's working on specifically. I just see him like,

no, actually, it's just like a really good screenwriter. They wouldn't say that. They wouldn't say that. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

It makes me nervous. It makes me nervous. Right. But the story, it's so much, it's funny because he wants to, he clearly, he's studied under the,

the watch of Gerald Jukas for so long. Right. And he's got a lot of similarities where he's just such a good storyteller. Yes. But his dialogue is like not the best. Yeah. Yeah. I completely agree. So I wonder if he's going to, but they can't.

This is his first time ever directing a feature film. You can't let him write the whole full screenplay for it. TV is so different. You can't. Did your daughter watch Asoka? No, she's kind of bailed on Star Wars now. She's obsessed with Five Nights at Freddy and Stranger Things right now. Okay.

Yeah, she's 12. She's 12. She's like, she's getting, she's like, it broke my heart because like when was, she's like, dad, I don't really think I'm into Star Wars anymore. I was like, oh. Well, that sucks. And that, I feel like that says something not very good, though. Because with this whole time, we're just arguing that it's not, it's for the kids.

And if like a 12 year old isn't connecting. A 12 year old girl, which they're trying, who they're trying to get. Who they're trying to get. That's, and not that she's the test for all 12, year old girls, but that's a pretty good test of a girl who has good taste and who likes movies and TV and isn't that captured. And one of her parents is in the space. In the household.

That's not great. Also it could be one of the reasons why. You know, she's just like, because we used to watch the shows together and I think it was like Obi-Wan. She was watching a couple. And then she just couldn't give a crap about us. Yikes. Yeah, she didn't care.

So, but again, she's obsessed with right now. She's obsessed with that. I don't get to see mean girls, but she's like, but she's 12-year-old girl. She doesn't want to, she just, her, their change, their taste change. Yeah. Nate's kids. Yeah. And the youngest 11 doesn't, it's not out of Star Wars anymore either.

My best friend. He had three boys, but they're teenage, the older ones, you know, they're kind of out of, but the guy, the youngest is 11. He's Spider-Man, Fortnite and stuff. Star Wars, they used to watch them all together, and now he's like, eh. Yikes. But again, it's a good point. It's a good point because there hasn't been anything that has been like, we got to watch

Star Wars. Mando is it the first one. Star Wars fans will, like, Star Wars fans will say, well, that's not true. There's a lot. I mean, everything is awesome crew. But that's not true. There's everything. There's so much out there. You just try to nitpick it. It's like, no, there's stuff that if you're in...

Into the Star Wars world, then you might absolutely love certain things. You can find positives and things, and absolutely you should. But it's not grabbing the general audience the way that it used to. It's like, yes. Well, how do you explain the fact that the new trilogy made a billion dollars? It's Star Wars movies. if you do it right and you market it the right way, that's why it's making the money that it's making,

you can get people into the audience, into the theater, because they're going to go, it's a new Star Wars movie out. That's why you have the little girls showing up to Disney Park's dress as Ray. Right. Because you got them into the theaters

with that big movie. And this is why I understand the strategy behind doing a Ray movie. I didn't understand the strategy of releasing it first. So I'm glad that they changed that strategy. Because leading with the Ray movie first after the divisiveness of

that new trilogy, it's a risky move. It's a risky move, especially with the kind of downfall that Disney has had over the last year. This is a smart move. And I don't think it's fair

all the times. Oh, that's dumb what they did. That's dumb what they did. You give them the credit when they're making good business decisions. They made a ton of bad ones last year, and I think that they know it. Right.

This is a good business decision. You lead with this one. You do that. And then if it plays together and working, because I do think that Filoni will listen to Favro when it comes to filmmaking because Favro has done it.

He's done it many, many, many, times, whereas Faloni's probably scared out of his mind to do a feature film because there's so much more in the line because when you're doing a show and people are tuning in, like, okay, we really want them, you want to have that watercooling moments. You like to see it do really well, but it's not gauged at the same thing because tomorrow if you're subscribed to Asoka, excuse me, if you're subscribed to Disney Plus, and you're like, oh, I never watched Asoka. I'm going to go watch that because I'm subscribed to it.

But if it's been in the theater for three months, and you're like, I don't know, I'm not going to, I don't really care to spend the money on this movie. People say it's fine. I don't really have any interest. I'm not going to spend the money to go. That's how theater is. Theater gauged through your dollars,

especially at the first, like, two or three weeks. That's where you make your money. So he's probably like, there's going to be so much pressure on him, especially after this movie. So if I'm him, I want a writer. I want to get somebody who is, I want to get an award. nominated guy who knows his space,

who understands it, who's going to follow my lead as a storyteller. There's a little bird in here. Get out here, bird. Thanks. Oh, bye. Yeah, I'm with you. I just don't think that's going to happen.

Yeah, we'll see. But maybe because it is such a huge thing to tell, and a lot of pressure, to tell this next movie in one of the movies in the lineup. So maybe. We'll see. I just doubt it. There is more Star Wars news, guys.

There's more Star Wars news. There's tons of stuff. Let me tell you about, Steph, don't look yet because I want you to be surprised. All right, Tales of the Jedi. Tales of the Jedi is something that we loved. And there's a big rumor going around, Steph, and here's the rumor. What? Put Steph's face on here where I read this rumor.

Star Wars Tales of the Jedi may receive incommany in the animated anthology front, as they're going to be similar shows about the Sith and Bounty Hunters. Oh, wow. Tales of the Sith and Tales of the Bounty Hunters might be in the pipeline. That's very cool. So. That's very cool. During a discussion about the first season of the show on the Star Wars Sessions podcast,

the host of the program indicated at the 49-minute mark that they've heard that their listeners should anticipate additional follow-ups to Tales of the Jedi that fall outside the existing Jedi-focused format. Luke Blight says it's hard to come out and confirm stuff and things, but I think we're going to be seeing, we've heard, we're going to be seeing more tales of projects, so I don't think that's ending anytime soon. Matt Hudson, again, we've heard tales of something and it ain't Jedi,

and it sounds pretty cool, and if it comes to fruition, I think that people are going to lose their minds, if it is what we've heard. But conjecture, speculation aside, if we do get a Tales of the Jedi season two, I hope we get meaningful little vignettes like we did with the Duku one. While initially playing coy about what tales of something else was, Matt Hudson was potentially a little.

little bit more transparent about these follow-up projects. And he said, making predictions about the future, I predict that Tales of Series is going to get a new installment, whether it's Tales of the Sith or Tales of the Bounty Hunters or something to show up a little late. I think we're going to get something new because it could get a little stale if it's just Jedi. Is this a prediction or is that a scoop?

And then he said, oh, it's a prediction. Oh, okay. So who really knows? First of all, I don't even know who these people are. Yeah. But, so who knows? I don't know. It's whether this is going to happen or not, I think doing something like this,

I still would love for them to cross over and do a what-if series for Star Wars. That'd be so fun. Why couldn't they? Why not? It's not beholden to Marvel. Why couldn't they do that? It's a Disney property. A what-if series of Star Wars?

I think you have more options to do stuff in that, in that area than you even do with Marvel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think I would rather them do Tales of the Sith. That's what I would rather walk. too. Bounty hunters, I feel has been overdone, right?

Yeah, because I feel like for now, I still have a bad taste in my mouth about Boba where that's what I thought was going to be the Tales of the Bounty Hunters in a really gritty way. Yeah, Mike. I'm different.

I'm a different. Did you like Tales of the Genoa? I did, yeah. I, you know, okay, like, hey, I think it's Star Wars and there's something for everybody. I would like to see tells from the Sith because that would be a way to

well tell me to shut up because you've got you could do Tales of the Sith where you don't have to do Palpatine you could do Palpatine you could do Palpatine you could do Plagueis you could do all this stuff but you could go back you could do Revin you could do Bain you could do all that stuff

for you guys I could see that because I'm just trying to there's so much out there now I'm just trying to look at everything and yeah my first gut was reaction of bounty hunters, but I was like, well, we got a lot of that. Yeah. But we really don't know a lot about the Sith.

No. And seeing it again, they weren't Sith specific, but Baylon and Chin and how audiences gravitated to them. People loved them. And then they just disappeared. And then it was like, and again, I hope for season two of Asoka, we don't see Baylon. I think the way that he ended looking off in the distance as like his story, like, you think so? If Ray was alive, if Ray was alive, absolutely.

but I think yeah it's it sucks because he those were the two characters that I loved in that show I didn't even need to go back to that planet anymore yeah so I think I think had he been alive still you absolutely go down that path and explore more with that but

you know right okay but the tales of the Jedi and tails the Sith all that stuff what do you guys think you think that's a I think it's a good move I think also because it's not one of these things that's going to necessarily move the needle but it's a great piece of Star Wars content if they do it right because I like Tales of the Jedi very much so and the other thing nothing against bad batch i thought the last

season was really good i'm just tired of that period again of the clone wars and the clone troopers and all it's like let's if we're going to see some more animation in star wars let's do stuff like this because that really worked for me the asoka stuff in the tales of the Jedi um all that i thought it was a great way to smart way to lead but tales the Sith i mean yeah because that's the other thing you can do You're never going to get a Star Wars movie with a villain in the lead. You might get a Star Wars show. I mean, they were supposed to apparently lead the Acklite with the villain, but apparently that changed.

I don't know. Way more possible to do it in a show. You're never going to do it in a movie. They're never going to do it. Why? For Star Wars movie. I don't disagree with you. Because of what we said beforehand, this is a $200 million movie, right?

The stats always say. you know, why are people going to, why is the average person going to go and put their money down to watch a villain's story? You know, they want to see the good guys win. That's the classic mentality of it. If it's normally any, what movie can you name

of a big budget movie that leads with a villain? Joker. Sure. But, right. But in my head, I was like, there is no Star Wars villain that conjures up Joker.

You've got Vader, but they're, Now, if you did a... Was a good guy. If you did a Vader movie, if you did a Vader movie, that's the one villain that you probably could do that with. But people are like, oh, we got a Vader movie. It's the stupidest comment.

I hate it. When it's like, we got a Vader movie. It was one through three. No. But I get that, though. He was Anakin in the first one. I know. Transition into Vader.

I'm talking about the Vader that is conflicted. I know what's the... I know you're saying. The Lords of the Sith one where he's... He's just becoming Vader. He's trying, he's battling this thing with inside, inside the suit, eradicating all the Jedi. That movie's never been done.

We've never seen a Vader movie that way. We've seen, we've seen the, what's it called? Shit, I can't even know the name. What's the origin story? We've seen the origin story of Vader, but we've never seen a Vader movie, a Darth Vader movie. So if they did that, and you made it dark enough, like Rogue One ending Vader,

that movie would have a shot to get people into the theater for sure. But a random villain that people don't know that only we know, it wouldn't work. Anyway, so I ask you guys, what do you think, all the stuff that we talked about here so far? All right, so let's get to a couple other stories here. Well, you choose, Steph. Do you want to stick? We can end with Star Wars, not do any other stories. And there's this piece that Star Wars NewsNet did about skeleton crew.

or we can dive into some other movie stories and there's some stories that you can choose from. There is, we have, speaking to Avatar, Avatar sequels begin filming shortly. We got Madame Webb Final Costume Revealed. You've got Tom Cruise has a deal at Warner Brothers.

And yeah, what do you want? You choose. Stick with Star Wars? Yeah, stick with Star Wars. All right, well, still. Boom! Today's a full Star Wars. Star Wars, unless we finish this, Mike wants to do the...

I'm joking. All right, so this is... This is Skeleton Crew, and this is a news piece from an editorial from Jay Gooderl on Star Wars Newsnet. 2024 could serve as a pivotal year for Star Wars with the Mandalorian Season 3 and Asoka, both airing last year to mixed reception and with leadership changes at Lucasfilm. It seems that Star Wars could be in the midst of a transitional period, not to mention the slew of future films to premiere over the next few years. And conversely, Bob Iger said he wanted to pull back certain franchises. There are a lot of changes going on. While the next few years of Star Wars do look

helpful, the future isn't here yet. So Star Wars is in a bit of a bind at this point, as Mike said before. With a larger emphasis put on movies and Disney seeming to take fewer risks, there are undoubtedly going to be a few projects that fall between the cracks. 2024, it could be that the performance of this year's slated projects could affect Lucasfilm's Star Wars strategy for the future. The success of this year's TV shows, especially Skeleton Crew, could impact Lucas film's TV strategy going forward. Skeleton Crew and its creative risk. Here is the piece on Skeleton Crew. When Skeleton Crew was pitched, it seems like a surefire success. The original pitch was Stranger Things in Space. With Spider-Man Homecoming director John Watts at the helm,

Later, they'd refine the pitch comparing it to Amblin Entertainment Coming of Age stories from the 80s. Actor Jude Law was attached to it from the start, acclaimed directors that Daniels and David Lowry would step into direct a few episodes. The names attached are certainly impressive, but maybe not huge blockbuster draws.

Nonetheless, it looked like skeleton crew would be a hit, but within a few years, audiences feeling surrounded by Star Wars Disney Plus and streaming services begin to change. As the time went on, superhero fatigue also became more prevalent, more and more audiences grew tired of established franchises and sequels and they sought something else. Even huge blockbuster franchises like Marvel, DC, and Indiana Jones were not invulnerable to a few financial blows. One can debate how well Star Wars has fared.

The last few years have undoubtedly delivered a lot of fan-pleasing shows such as Asoka and the Mandalorian, but take a look at some of the responses from casual fans and critics could tell a different story. But perhaps one of the biggest blows was and or, and it's lower than expected viewership numbers. I don't know if that's true, though, anymore. I wonder if he, when he writes that, if he's talking about when it came out the gate, because from what I heard, I heard the numbers picked up tremendously after the next few months. So I don't know if that's accurate. And there is one thing. It's a series tied to a well-received Star Wars film. It boasted great critical acclaim in awards reception. It has a clear ending with season two being its last.

This is completely my opinion, but if skeleton crew were to receive the same viewership numbers as and or it might not look good. I do not wish for Skeleton Crew to fall whatsoever. In fact, I'm extremely looking forward to it with Jude Law is one of my favorites, but Skeleton Crews' viewership numbers will most likely affect Lucasfilm's TV strategy moving forward. If it does well, which I hope it does, I hope that Lucasfilm will continue to green light, big adventures. It comes in 2024.

The entertainment industry is currently at a crossroads. One hand, one could argue that the quality and quantity of content out there, movies, TV, streaming services, has never been higher. On the other hand, one could point to the number of layoff, strikes, closures, and financial failures as a sign of declining industry. It's impossible to know which direction it'll come, yada, yada, yada. Okay, so that's from Jay Goodroll. Yeah, from, I would like to see as far as those numbers go, if Jay's talking with Andor specifically, if he's talking about when it initially debuted, the numbers were, they were, it was like not great. But then it started getting an Emmy buzz and all this other thing and the performances and the buzz and, and, for it.

from what I heard that the numbers started to spike on streaming, going back to my point of what I was talking about, where when you're having streaming number, you can't look at TV like movies. You can't go, well, the first month and two months of the numbers were bad, so that it was bad. You can't. You have to look at it today and say,

what are they now? Because somebody could find, people are still watching Battlestar Galactica. Yeah. It's been off the air for 10 years. And so, you know, what's like friends still, you know, so it's a very different, it's very different. especially after Matthew Perry passed away. Friends got another boost.

So streaming, your numbers can change on the drop of a dime. But I don't disagree that this year they're going to be looking. I think it's more about Acolyte than a skeleton crew, to be completely honest with you. Because Acolyte is a brand new series that comes out first

in a different time period and the rumors are this show costs like $200 million to make. The rumors they get like Keanu Reeves in the freaking thing. The rumor is, it's, well, it's not rumors. It's all location. That's, that's going to, to me, shift more of a Lucas film going, well, wait a minute.

We spend all this money on real locations, on this, on actors. We can't do that anymore. We can't, we just, let's stick to the volume or the flip side. The show crushed. It is the most, one of the most watched shows. It does very well, the way that it's, the way that it shot. They stopped doing the volume stuff. I think Skeleton Crew,

I think Skeleton Crew is pushing a boulder up a hill. It's called Skeleton Crew. It doesn't even say Star Wars Skeleton Crew. That's going to be tough. But, Steph, you hear all this. What do you think? Yeah, I kind of am with you.

I think Skeleton Crew, most people, unless you're a really big Star Wars fan, have no idea what that is or that it's coming, even with Jude Law attached to it. I think that will help, especially some of, like, the moms who might want to watch with their kids

because moms love Jude Law. But I think it is more... I think this show will really be dependent on how they market it. I think it will be important to see what kind of trailer comes out and then the hype around it. Because right now there's really no hype unless you're in the space. Right.

And I don't think also, I mean, because that's to just... I don't want to combat this guy's piece the whole time, but I think that it's more... Because if the Acolyte does really well, and this doesn't, if you're Lucasfilm, Mike, how do you... Well, because Skelaton crew didn't do good, but Ackley did do really well,

how do you just put the onus on skeleton crew? You can't. You have to look at the way that each one was shot. Now, they both do bad, and they both, people don't care about them in general. I think they're going to definitely reevaluate Star Wars TV, for sure. And they've got to do more things that people know

and recognize or take stuff from their movies that are coming out, you know, and maybe just focus on, I mean, everything in their movies is connected to the TV universe, mostly. I don't know. What do you feel about when you hear this? I feel at this time of the year and where we are,

I have a feeling we're missing a big talking point. And I think the studios have realized that streaming is not it anymore. I think these shows, like Skelton Crew, two years ago we were at celebration when they were hyping this and nothing's still on it. Like we have an trailer, it's just like acolyte. Well, the strike. I know.

but the strike doesn't prevent it from being out there in the world, the ether of a dominating conversations. It doesn't. I think when you think about like, and I say this at everything, like, who cares about Agatha Covenant of Arkansas? Like, no one cares talking about that anymore.

Marvel's not announcing more TV shows. DC's got their own little thing in their quiet, keeping their cards close to their chest. Star Wars, Ackleit, and Skeleton crew were announced shot, but they've pivoted in movies and we're going to bring me the movies and we're going to the movies. I think we are at that turning point where all the studios have been like, yeah, we'll still

do streaming shows. It's not a bread and butter anymore. We realize. Yeah, right. Well, as Chepec was really focusing and make as many as you possible, I think rightfully so, Iger's going, all right, you want to make a show, make one that counts. Yeah. Like, make one that counts and what's the show?

You guys have confident? That's your show. You think that's the one that's going to hit? Then put that one out. Like you said, these were already shot, they're already planned. So you were, okay. Perfect example. Back in the day with shooting making a pilot.

Like these shows didn't make pilots and we shopped them, we showed them. We're going with skeleton crew. They said, we want 10 episodes. Greenlit, greenlit, greenlit. They didn't come with showrunners going, this is my pitch. It's a good point. We're going to make 10 Star Wars pilots. Wait, when we're going to make six Star Wars pilots, two of those are going to series.

They said, we're giving you six Star Wars shows. They're all going to series. Right. And we talked like, the whole big thing was like, wow, you're realizing you can't run a show without a showrunner? Oh, okay, can I fix that now? I think these two are the last holdovers of the old chapec era of. And I just feel like until you just talked about it, I'm like, oh yeah, skeleton crew, when's that coming out again? Right.

When is it coming out? December. A year from now? No, no, this year. A year. About a year, yeah. It was supposed to come out. Which three years ago they shot it, though.

No, they didn't shoot that. 2022 celebration. They were talking like, hey, we just shot, we have no footage, but this is... So it would be, it'll be... Three and a half years. What kind of math do you have? 2020 Star Wars Celebration. And comes out in 2024.

It's two years, guy. You said 2025. No, I didn't. So this year, December. December. Okay. So your math was right about the year thing. Two and a half years.

Right. Okay. So that's, yeah, that's still, that's a lot. Well, again, for a six episodes, strike-wise, and I think it's a matter of, They were done before the strike. Well, they were supposed to, yeah, they were, but they were supposed to come out. They didn't want to promote a show. Sure.

Strike, they wouldn't do that. And that was supposed to come out last year, Skeleton Crew. And did that. Right. And then, but they shifted it then. I think strategy. I think strategy on playing it because I think everything else got pushed that if you would have put Skeleton Crew out now without this Mandalorian thing, without everything else to, without anything else.

But isn't a standalone thing? No, it's connected to that, to that universe. It's connected to the Flon Universe. That's why. That's why. Okay, okay. So that being connected, and that's another reason

that if it does hit, and you can get Jude Law in your movie in your Filoni movie, that'll work. So it's supposed to be like this Avengers kind of style movie his feloni movie. It's supposed to be like everything

kind of coming together. Hey, all right. What do I know? So I don't know. But that's it, guys. That's everything that we're going to cover. It was all Star Wars today. It was tons of it.

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