The Kristian Harloff Show - Marvel Intends To Keep Avengers: Doomsday Characters Under Wraps?!

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

Marvel might be playing things closer to the chest than ever before. A new rumor suggests Marvel intends to keep some Avengers: Doomsday characters under wraps until the actual movie's release—is this a smart move or could it backfire with fans? Kristian Harloff breaks it all down on today's episode of The Kristian Harloff Show. That's not all—we've got more big stories to cover, including: The first trailer for Paul Rudd and Jack Black in Anaconda Dave Bautista's surprising reveal about why he turned down the Peacemaker lead role, even though James Gunn wanted him for it Plus, Kristian sits down with Andrew Fried to talk about the movie he's producing starring Charlie Sheen Topics include: RUMOR: Marvel Intends To Keep Some AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY Characters Under Wraps Until The Movie's Release First Trailer: Rudd, Black In "Anaconda" Dave Bautista Reveals Why He Turned Down PEACEMAKER Lead Role Despite Being James Gunn's #1 Choice SPONSORS: #CashAppPartner Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/76rlxe00 #CashAppPod As a Cash App partner, I may earn a commission when you sign up for a Cash App account. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Visit https://www.cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures.

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Cummins is a registered trademark of CUNS-N. Graham and Hemmy are registered trademarks of FCAUS LLC. All right. All right. All right. So some new Avenger rumors, Doomsday. So apparently Marvel wants to keep things under wraps. Finally. They're doing a lot of those chair announcements, but this time there's a few of them they want to keep under wraps.

So we'll discuss that. I mentioned yesterday, I know that you guys were interested in a lot of you have checked out the, aka Charlie Sheen, Netflix stock. We talked to my buddy Andrew Freed, who produced it among countless other things, but we talked about that. We have some other news and other things, but I think last week

what we did was really good. We had, like, I just really had a chat with the audience in general about the things that I'm working on and just a lot of different things. And it was just kind of an industry kind of shoot the shit talk. And it was you guys who said you should do more of those. So that's what we're going to do today.

Yes, we'll cover some stories and that more, but that's what we're doing. So make sure you click the like button, comment, do all that. It is the Christian Harlov show here today on this Wednesday. Let's do it. Welcome back to the show here today, guys. It's Wednesday. Last week. It was a lot, it was two weeks ago. I think I gave you guys some updates on the show and what we're doing with the show and how we're getting close and you guys had did kind of like a full on casting suggestion. And I'll tell you that during that time where we were doing ideas and stuff for casting and thoughts about the Kickstarter Patreon, somebody gave me a suggestion for one of the cast.

And it is just stuck in my mind of like, oh, that is like, would be so ideal if we could get someone like that. So we'll talk about that. And as I also mentioned, you can get Andrew in here, who's such a great mind in the business. I consistently call him Midas because everything the guy does and produces and it just he's got such a good sense to how this works. And he did it again with the aka Charlie Sheen doc. He's done welcome to Rexum, chef's table, the Val doc. I mean, cheer list goes on and on. So we'll be discussing that and talking to him about that.

Okay. So we were looking at some stories and there are our. few. So I figure we just start with this one. And that is that there's a new rumor. Marvel intends to keep some Avengers Doom's Day characters under wraps until the movie's release.

So this is from comic book movie. And they say from Mark Cassidy back in March, Marvel Studios officially announced the start of production of Avengers Doom's Day with a five-hour live stream revealing the name of 27 cast members. Some were expected. Others rumored few such as the OG Xman

actors came as a surprise, but there were several names conspicuous by their absence. Marvel has strongly hinted that a second announcement is on the way, but even if we do get another batch of chairs confirming the likes of Ryan Reynolds, Hugh Jackman, Elizabeth Olson, etc. The Cosmic Circus Alex Perez believes the studio intends to keep certain actors and characters under wraps until fans are sitting down to watch the movie. Some of these characters are new, some of these characters are old, and some of legacy. The goal is to not reveal them until the release of Doomsday. Even if I did mention who they're planning to involve, we'd be stuck in this limbo of

will, they, won't they for the next year or so. But most of the characters that haven't been officially announced have either been rumored by me, other scrupers or YouTubers. This isn't the first time we've heard that at least a couple of characters will be making their MCU debut in Doomsday with previous rumors pointing to the beyonder, unlikely, and possibly some of the upcoming X-Men reboot cast members. one thing is certain. Doomsday and Secret Wars are both shaping up to be massive films.

And now whether or not they have faith in it is going to pull it off, yada, yada, yada, yada. I kind of think surprises are necessary and you should. I think because I think that's one of the fun things. What they were able to do and they did it and it's not easy to do because of all this scooping and leaks and things of that nature. Most people didn't know Wesley Snipes was in it. Everybody thought it wasn't going to be him. I think some people thought, was it Omar Epps? I wasn't, who was it?

I think it was. Who played him? I can't remember. No, he played, he played him in Major League 2. His character, shoot. Well, whoever was, I think that, that played Blade in the TV show,

you guys will tell me a million times over in the comments, but I think that was the rumor who was going to play, Blade in the, in the, in the, in, yeah, it was Omar, it was okay, all right. I was wrong. Who's this? Who's calling me now?

Oh, my friend who I haven't talked forever, calls me right, this I go live. Perfect. Anyway, so I feel like, oh, yeah, yeah, in the TV show, it was sticky fingers from on it. Okay, okay, sticky, okay.

Well, either way, I think that there was some kind of, there was rumor that it wasn't going to be him. And so they kept it under wraps. They were able to do that. There are other things that I think they kept Jennifer Garner under wraps for the most part, right? I think so. So either way, I think it makes it fun for the audience.

If you do get some surprises, I do also think it's smart to get people hyped with how many people are going to be in this movie in the same way that they did. Another one that they kept under wraps was the Henry Cavill thing. You know, and if they do things like that, and like we said yesterday, too, there's probably going to be a cameo soup. I mean, that's just what it's going to be at this point, but you also have to have a structured story. And I think that if they know where they're going with it, that's why I said this, when Mike asked us on the show, what we thought as far as runtime,

that's why I went like higher in the 240s, because there's only so much time, especially if you're spending, depending on how much money they're spending on all this, if you're spending all this money, you want to make sure you're going to get your bank for your buck, right? And you want to spend the cash on it. And you want to make sure,

hey, if I'm putting money into this production, I don't want to just have a two-hour movie. I want to be short. Someone so gets this amount of time. This person is this amount of time. They're filming it back to back. So you're going to get some more scenes from some people that if it's shorter in this one, it'll be longer than that one.

I don't know if you're going to get, as they said, the reboot X-Men in Doomsday. You'd probably get somebody in Secret Wars, but I don't think you're going to get them in Doomsday. I think it makes sense in Secret Wars to do it, to at least a movie. be that big to tease the audience, that is something I think you need to do. So I'm not sure. There's a lot of rumors. There's another rumor that came out about Avengers Secret Wars. I didn't want to go over it because it was like story specific. This is different. When it's like this kind of rumor of well, Marvel wants to keep things quiet, it then starts a conversation of us saying,

well, should they keep it quiet? And maybe most of us say there are things that you should keep quiet. There are the ones that you should talk about. There was another one that I discussed with Luke this morning about doing it's a story stuff. And A, I didn't want to do that for you guys because I don't want to assume that you want to know what the story is about. You probably want to go into a fresh. Maybe some of you do, some of you don't. You can read those rumors for yourself.

But I don't want to be. I just had this whole conversation with somebody, Tom Chattelbash, friend of the show and an OG YouTube guy, who I see at these New York screenings all the time. And I like Tom. He's a really nice guy. A good critic, by the way, you should follow his channel if you haven't done that. But Tom is, I see him at the screenings and he had, we both saw a big, bold, beautiful journey. And I don't think I'm speaking at a turn here.

I'm sure he already has the review or something to. He didn't love it. He didn't love it. And I certainly didn't love it. But I didn't mind as much as he did because he had seen the trailer. He had seen and watched the trailers. I don't watch trailers for movies anymore on. that level because if I know that I'm going to see them in the theater because I and I know and I

am very clear about this. I know I have the luxury of doing that over a lot of you guys who don't. Because for example, Big Bowl, Beautiful Journey, if I was like, oh, you're going to go check it out in the theater, you're going to say, well, I don't know if I want to spend my money on that. I'm not going to spend my money on that. Why would I, I don't know what it is. And then you watch the trailer. And apparently the trailer is different from the movie that. that they did. I wouldn't know. What I saw is it was kind of a quirky movie is kind of trying to do what Eternal Sunshine and Spotless Mind did, which that's one of my favorite movies of all time. It doesn't necessarily accomplish that. But by the end of it, it's like a feel good streaming movie.

And I was like, fine. Is it a great movie? Is it a good movie? Do I recommend you see it in the theater? Probably not. But my point is that Tom had seen this trailer and was expecting one thing and got something different. So I think it is important sometimes. to, you know, pay attention to what's common. There's certain ways you want to market a film, but I like being surprised. And I wish that you could get into a place where, hey, we all want to see Avengers. And we can't keep ourselves away from it, too, right? And there are, obviously, you watch this channel.

You know, there are things that I am watching. The big trailers and stuff I usually watch. And there's just the smaller ones. I like to go surprise now. I just like to go surprise not knowing what I'm about to walk into. Most notably the three that really stood out to me that were the long walk. Weapons, I wish I hadn't seen the damn thing, but I saw that scene the day before, which really pissed me off.

But the long walk was something I knew nothing about. Really, drop was another one. I really like doing that now. So, anyway. what does everybody else think do you want to see these reveals do you not want to see these reveals do you think there should be more put your thoughts in there let me know so i tell you we're going to do a couple more stories but today we really want to have a conversation with you guys i can't even tell you how helpful that was last week and with the status of where we are with the show right now and the things we're

doing with the show the cast we're going for the scale of the production we're trying to go for we really want to put together a show that looks like you could live on Netflix, Apple, Amazon, all that stuff. So having that conversation with you guys, the ones that are here, the Wednesday show is always the show that people come in and like you guys like to die hards and we have a conversation and you guys can tell me what, what you think about certain things. Like I said, there were some, there were ideas. This is what we talked about. I think a couple you suggested it last week and I agree. Certain ideas and thoughts. of things that I could offer on the Kickstarter,

which there was a great suggestion last time at the, the footage that you would get at a certain tier and all that. So I'm going to go through that and we'll talk about it in a little bit. And then we have some more stories and other things. And I'll probably do, again, a couple different thoughts in the movies I saw this week, go over some of the things that I did thus far. Yeah, I went to a Mets game yesterday, by the way.

and they won. So look at that. Good luck. It was nice to hanging out, my friends being at the stadium. I know, I know Yankee fans. What are you doing? It was easy. We made it into Queens.

And I like that stadium. It's nice to do it. Good food there, too. Some, that's, that's strange to say, but it was, it was good. Anyway, so we'll get into all that. So let me tell you guys real quick about our good friends over. I think, wait a minute. Wait a minute. You guys know, I've been talking to you guys about, okay, I wanted to make sure, I was talking about Cash App this week. I've been telling you about Cash App. I'll tell you about Cash App.

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I did. I knew it immediately. And I refer to this man as Midas and he did it again. This is the Charlie Sheen doc that is currently two parts on Netflix right now. Who doesn't know Charlie Sheen? Winning amongst many other things that he was had accomplished in his career. And I bring on my good friend, Andrew Freed. Andrew, what's going on?

How did you get involved in this one? I love that. This is always my first question to you is how did you get involved in this one? It's a good place to start. It's great to see you, Christian. Really always look forward to doing this. And at this stage, I'm just trying to produce things that will be worthy of you inviting me to be on your podcast. I like that.

I like that. We've got to find more. We've got to find more. To engage with your community, as honestly as I have now for a very long time. It's a very cool thing. This morning when I was walking in here and sort of running because I was about two minutes late. but I saw somebody and I said, I'm going to do Christians' podcast.

It's just, I love that. You could include that in your edit or not, but I sincerely, I sincerely feel that. Yeah. I like being here. Anyway, how do we get involved with Charlie Sheen? Yes.

We went after him. I work with a filmmaker named Andrew Renzi, who is the mastermind and creative visionary of this entire project. we made Pepsi wears my jet with him. Yeah. Does he come to you and say, hey, listen, I've been thinking about doing this. Are you guys randomly in a conversation started talking about Charlie Sheen?

Like, what's the conversation with the two of you that brings up, hey, let's go after Charlie? I think the beauty of working with people over time, and in Renzi's case, to call him Andrew, would be pretty funny. In Renzi's case, we have an exclusive deal with him. His company is north of now. Boardwalk has an exclusive overall deal with them. And because when we worked with him on Pepsi, Where's My Jet, we just, we knew that there was magic happening. And the opportunity to sort of lock in and give him and his somewhat younger company what they need to, like, do all the things that they dream about doing, quite honestly, is like the biggest thrill of this whole life that I've carved out for myself. And so he sat down.

We talk, you know, over time, over weeks, over months. Coming out of Pepsi, Where's My Jet? There's almost an instinct, I think, to forensically understand why it was the success it was. Pepsi, that project got really big numbers, got a big response. It was creatively cool. It was, you know, it was different, right? And candidly, and I've said this to Renzi, like, given the topic, given the five-minute sizzle reel that was made for that project, the Pepsi project,

he made a, I call it a movie even though it was a limited series, but he made a movie that is not the movie I would have made. Like his creative lens is very different than mine, but he, it's very pure to him. Like, I believe it's not schick. I believe it's his, it's how he sees the world and how he sees the world and how he, how he wants to tell stories and how he connects with his audience and it's frenetic and it's different. And it's younger and cooler than me also. And so over time, you're talking about like forensically, why did that work and what do people want and what does the marketplace want?

And we were also, he was an executive producer on our Paul American series. He had that happened. And so in the spirit of just like big, right? Who wants big? What's big? What would be killer? What could we go after? And he says, you know, I'm going to try to do a film with Charlie Sheen. And it took him months of first getting initial contact with Charlie and then convincing someone who said, thank you, but no. Like he said no right away. Initially. Okay. He was not interested in that. And I think what Renzi's appeal and, you know, he would tell the story better than me. But I think what Renzi's appeal, but I think what Renzi's appeal is, he would tell the story better than me. But I think what Renzi's appeal is. appeal to Charlie was, not that like it's going to be this confessional, we're going to make you your, it was not like a 2025 conversation about brand and a confessional and a reintroduction. I really don't think it was any of that. I think Renzi convinced Charlie, and he's right in this,

that you're the last one of this. Like, there will never be another Charlie Sheen. If you watch the film, you'll see all the reasons why. But like, in a modern world, there would be no way for a Charlie Sheen to ever exist again. No way. And most of the things that he encounters in his life, anyway. So for better, for worse, or indifferent, I think they headed on this journey together a few years ago. Well, it's still just a couple of years ago. Now, had Charlie written a book at that point or was it was it afterwards?

I think that the process of writing a book was happening all at the same time. Okay, that makes sense. I first met Charlie in the summer of 23. As he had been. That's not true. That's pretty good, Christian. Tell the audience how you've met him for the first time. Come on.

That's pretty good. So, once upon a. time Christian. I was doing stand-up at the Luna Park at Luna Park there on Robertson and I got up one night and just must have utterly crushed with my witty banter and improv around topics like temping in offices or my bar mitzvah or Or, sorry? It's cutting stuff. Yeah, or the ingredients in the new Wow Doritos.

I know, I know. It's good stuff. Anyway, so I was cast to play a role that I interpreted to be a French employee, maybe with the name Guy. But everybody on set insisted on calling me Guy. Okay. I was Guy. And I was on Spin City and the significance of it and why I am trying to be, you know, light about it.

But it was a big deal for me. I got a sad card. I was on Spin City and it was Charlie Sheen's first episode on Spin City. He was replacing Michael J. Fox who had come out saying that he was sick and couldn't continue to do the show at that time. They were going to continue this franchise. They were going to move it from New York to L.A. They were going to replace the main character of Michael J. Fox with a new character that is taking his job. And that was Trale Sheen.

And so it was a very high-stakes day. You know, for me personally, it was also like a day with Gary David Goldberg, who is an absolute hero of mine and has been since I was a little kid for any number of reasons. and it was just a big day and it was, and I did, and I've since shared this story with Charlie, and I've shared it in a way to put a little bit out there to see if he has any recall of any of it. I guess he was sober at that point, right? Well, and what you'll also learn if you watch the film is he does have a pretty vivid memory, right? And so, like, there are things he remembers

or things he doesn't, but his first day doing Spin City is a day that he kind of remembers very vividly. And so it's not like he remembers me, though, we did have moments that day. Because he didn't, this was a show that moved, and this was what he remembered as we were talking about it on my couch.

But he, he, he, the show had moved together, all these people who had lived and worked in New York were now living and working in LA and they had all just come en masse. And CBS Radford is a kind of cool set, if you've ever been there, like it's like camp. And when the sun's setting at just the right time of day over these like bunk-like buildings at the Radford lot and the audience is loading in, like, it really does feel like the camp play in the cool, in the coolest way, honestly. It's very pure memory for me. So all these people from New York had come and are doing the show. It's Heather Lockler. It's Richard Kind. It's Alan Ruck. Michael Boatman, I think, the other actor was. So there's a

lot going on there. And they've all been making the show. And they've decided to keep it going. And Charlie Sheen shows up with what he would only describe as a tour bus. Okay. A massive fucking tour bus. tour bus. Like, we're all in these, I described it in these, like, nice little bunks with like, oh, this is nice. We're just going to, like, get out of the showers and we're going to go. We, I say we. I was like, it was crazy that I was even there watching it, but they're all like, oh, we're going to go and we're going to make our little thing. And he has, like, Led Zeppelin's tour bus or like,

or like Metallica's tour. Like, it's just this massive thing. And everybody's on their paper plates at catering. And he, anyway. Yeah, Rockstar. As he explained to me, recently, he got rid of the tour bus like a week later, and that ended up being a very positive experience, I think, for everybody. But that was the funny about that day. But yes, that is when I met Charlie Sheen. Initially, so you know, I was, I would be honest with you. I was just because I know that story, obviously, because that's right around the time we started hanging out.

And I was hoping when they showed that, because they talked about his first day, I was hoping that I was going to see that scene. So it's funny because at some point very late in the project. I don't want to say the project was done, but it was very late that Renzi sent me a clip of me on Spin City, which means that he had it. I don't know when he had it. But the truth is, Charlie's not in that scene. Oh, he's not in that particular. My scene, my awesome scene,

was with Alan Ruck. Oh. Okay, that's right. Okay, that makes sense then. All right. So you have that. That's probably also a good conversation and then have a Charlie break the ice.

So if you're... Oh, so where I was in the story was that I first met Charlie in the summer of 23 and Renzi had probably been into it already for several months with him, not making the film, but sort of getting to the start. Yeah. And then, and now it's coming out in September, and it's a big success for everybody,

I believe. Yeah, and I think, and you and I spoke about it on the phone the other day too, and I think that one of the things that I think he's done very well was he's, you see him all over the place right now and he's really promoting it. You know, he's talking about it on Rogue and he's talking about these other things. He's getting the word out there, and it's interesting because I think it's, as a fan of Charlie Sheen, you're watching. something that John Cryer said that seemed like it was like he go what Charlie goes through

in his life it seems like you guys document this and inside of it is that he does well he succeeds he falls into the pit he comes out of it succeeds again falls into the pit succeeds again is this the succeeds again and are you guys now that your relationship with him are afraid that he might fall into the pit again it's a it's a great question it's also the right question, right? It's like a grown-ups question because this, this drug of Hollywood, even when you're sober, that drug doesn't quit, right? Like, I was on a red carpet with Charlie Sheen last week, and it is an exhilarating thing to watch him, right? Like, when I say I was on a great carver with Charlie Sheen, like, but exactly when I get there is when everybody, like, reloads

the camera. Like, you think people don't, you think people don't shoot on film anymore. You think that they're all digital. And yet at the exact moment that I walk up, everybody magically like opens the back of these cameras and needs to do something. But to watch him in that environment is to just be aware at the very least of all of the chemical things that are happening in someone's body as this is happening for them again. I think that if you were to ask that some, you know, certain people very close to him why they're not in the movie,

I suspect that that would at least be part of the answer, right? Which is to say, like, who knows where we are in the journey? And these are my words, no one else's word. But who knows where we are in this journey? And I'm going to be there regardless. So maybe I'm not supposed to be a part of this, which is not saying anything disparaging the people who are in it. But, you know, Martin Sheen is many years sober, very understanding of the journey that his son is on. And, you know, it's not, it's the right question. Yeah. I mean,

you can see it as a father, you know, it's like, look, and I think you just summed it up. I'll be there for my son whenever he needs me, but I don't need to be on camera to do it. I understand that. That makes sense. That's just me sort of superimposing my fatherly miss onto it, but... Even if you didn't say that, that's what I would have assumed anyway, because that's probably the stance that I would take if that journey was going on continuously, especially when you cover, I remember vividly being in, I was in college when the major,

when he the major thing that happened to him where he was in the hospital and as dad made the uh the statement and all i remember that very clear i remember that very clear and so when all that was going through the documentary it was crazy to kind of relive it because you forget you know just how big of a movie star the guy was and he was massive i mean all the stuff that he had done and and selfishly i wanted 20 minutes on major league you know i wanted all these things i want i i would kill to see all the all the interview stuff because I'm sure they talked about it at a great length but there's only so much you can put into um two one and a half or two 90 minute parts which are still crafted together so well um Sean Penn who I just saw in uh one battle after another

and I knew immediately that you must have been interviewing him while he was shooting this because of his haircut uh again that's that's a Renzi question and Renzi spends time with all these guys. But, yeah, that would make sense. Yeah, it's a flat hair. And it's like, what's going on? The thing, you're talking about making it a three-hour thing, right? In the journey of making this, there are so many different versions,

and there was a longer version. And the casualty of that, and I hope that Charlie and Renzi wouldn't be upset with me sharing it with you. But the casualty of that was a really cool part of the movie to me, which is, and many, many casualties, but this was the thing that I miss, which is there was a build, there was a little bit more of the childhood, right?

So there was a section about their childhood growing up in Malibu, and it tapped into the Chris Penn relationship more than I think we get to in the movie, or at least in the first part of the movie. And so that idea that like, Chris and Charlie were the younger brothers and Emilio and Sean sort of didn't take them very seriously,

but they were making all these movies. And Chris really started bringing it on these movies that they were making. And the acting was getting real and the movies were getting better. And Sean and Emilio sort of took notice of it. And then it got them all sort of going. And they all started making these movies. And there was like an energy to the four of them making these movies and other people too. like and then like add rob low to some of them right like it's just like this community of people

who are all at sanamonica high school like making these movies um and then chris pen uh leaves he you know one day on the quad he's like i'm going uh so anyway yeah they talked he he addressed there is an address about the fact that chris was in it more i saw a quote from charlie or something to and i said they wanted uh in respect to sean and other things too that they were at the time they did mention pretty much that, how beloved he was to them and how creative he was. Are there things that happen? I'm always, I think the audience is always kind of fascinated by this as so am I. But when it comes to something like this and something obviously so personal to someone like that,

are there times where he's like, you know what, I talked about that, but I know that I said everything's on a table, but I really don't want that in there. And does he have to be convinced because it helps the story along? I'm a director of something. I don't want to talk to you before the cameras are rolling. Like, shake your hand and say, hi. That would be true if I did your job, too. Like, I don't, I don't, I, let's get on.

Let's, let's do it. Right. Renzi approaches it in the exact opposite way. Renzi is really mapping out his relationship, his conversation, his conversation over hours and hours of sessions with all of these people. So that when you sit down. I get that position almost. Yeah.

When you sit down and the cameras are on, it's not to say that there isn't any discovery, revelation or surprises within that, but the framework and the trust has really been set. Again, and that's his process. To me, sometimes it's like, what? How many hours are you talking to these people without the cameras rolling? Right. But that's how he gets what he gets. And he's sort of like a sniper.

When he gets in there and a camera's rolling, he really knows what he's getting. Makes sense because it's like one of the, you're, it's an interesting process because you are. You're mapping it out and you're instilling trust there. It's like it's not, we talked about this in the room. I'm not bringing up something that we didn't bring up in the room. We're bringing this up in the room like we did three or four times. Now it's on camera. You knew where I was going with it.

And this is what we agreed. to discuss. I get that. I think that there's something definitely where you know you're going to go down that road that you're going to get it and it's still okay, I'm going to map out everything and this will be interesting. I'm with you though too. I like the organic stuff sometimes when it comes. I'm not to say that there weren't organic moments that happened in that, but I do like the unknown kind of we didn't talk about what we were going to talk about today. It's just like let's

let's just go. That's my style, that's your style, but clearly works for him because he got a lot of great stuff out of at Charlie for sure. But if we were doing the life interview, right, and going into like secrets and things that have only been shared in therapy or, you know, it might be interesting for us to map out even just like no different than you would do a rundown for a show. Like, we're going to do this and then we're going to move into this stuff and then I'm going to do this, right? Like that's when we're going to hit this stuff, right? Even that guide is interesting and I've never done that as an interviewer.

Yeah, I have definitely have those blueprints to where like I know that it. And it's only internally for yourself, but to share it with the subject. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, that's true. But hey, it clearly it worked. And so now it's out. It's doing well. It's getting a lot of buzz.

Obviously, Roxy Stryer just covered it on the show yesterday. So what happens do you think now with you guys, with boardwalk and everything, I would love to hear if you can what you're working on next. I also want to know with Charlie, because a lot of times, sometimes someone will do documentary. Oh, great. You know, you talk about your past, this or that, and then good, you know, it's great that you did that therapeutic. He's the type of guy. He's probably going to wind up getting a big movie out of it or he's probably going to wind up getting a show out of it. He probably already has.

What do you foresee happening with Charlie Sheen after this? More. Yeah. Right? Like, I still don't know what everybody's reaction is to it. I mean, you hit number one on Netflix, and that's like a certain drug again. Sure. But it's a certain currency in this town and in this business that we're in.

Yeah, it's just about whether somebody believes in somebody and wants to put them in the head of whether a TV show or a movie, you know, are they insurable on a movie? Right, right, right. Those are conversations I don't have with Charlie, but look, we also produced this month Fit for TV, which is the doc about the biggest loser that was on Netflix. Big hit. I mean, massive hit for us and Netflix. And not without controversy, right? Gillian Michaels going on TMZ and everything else, like a whole lot of conversation around it.

And I'm just waiting for the announcement that the biggest loser is coming back. Right, right. Because it's it now it's out there it's back in the zeitgeist everybody's talking about it and you know That's not crazy and and so I say you know you're right it's like one of these like oh yeah because look there's so much on television There's so much in the movies that you to nobody's fault you forget about things you go oh Charlie Sheen let's he's not in stuff and then it's just a reminder of like oh yeah Yeah and

And there's a certain nostalgia to people like that. I think Charlie has pointed out in his press tour how old his father was when he got the West Wing. And it's about the same age. And to think that Martin Sheen, everything of Martin Sheen pre-West Wing, and then this West Wing was this whole reimagnation of who he was for this country, you know, and for a whole generation. And so you know what it is, Andrew. You know what it is. I mean, you just had naked gun and Top Gun Maverick. Hotshots Part 3 is right there.

It's right there. I wish that that was my franchise because that is the right idea. Seriously, right? Yeah. He's like, because literally the story of Top Gun Maverick is him years later coming back and you have Topper, coming back after, you know, years upon years and you could play and a lot of jokes, and especially if they do it the way they did the new naked gun, that could work.

I think his most natural environment, if you asked him, comedy, right? I don't want to speak for him. I think if he were around a baseball field, like, man, the Major League writers should be writing something because if he were around a baseball field, he'd be a very happy guy. Man, having him have Ricky Vaughn as a manager or something, that would be amazing. All right, before I let you go, so I always ask you this on the way out. Boardwalk, what's the latest?

What's the next big project that we're going to be talking about next? You know, I should have been prepared better for that answer. We have a lot of stuff that we're working on, and yet we were building to this Charlie Sheen release for so long that I don't even know what my release schedule is right now. But look, we're very, I mean, we're very proud of the ongoing nature of our series, right? We're in production in another season of Welcome to Rexum. We're in production on another season of America's Sweethearts, the Dallas Cowboy cheerleader.

As we look back over the last, I think, like month and a half with America's Sweethearts and Fit for TV and a. A.K. Charlie Sheen, it's three number one titles on Netflix and a couple of categories there, and that's exciting. And, you know, we won a few Emmys last week for Welcome to Rexham and for Chef's Table. We want our first Emmy for Chef's Table in our history. That's crazy. The first one of congratulations, obviously, but that show should have gotten it a long time ago, but that's great. One of those, but that, but, you know, for original music, which was cool that our Emmy, our first Emmy's best. Yeah, it's more, you know, keeping going what we're, what we've been lucky to be doing and then I'll share the announcements with you when we can.

Please, the empire continues. And as I tell everybody, you gotta really go and check out Just go ahead and check out Andrew Freed on IMD and you look at all the stuff that he's done. I told you I was getting texts from people going, oh, you got to check out this Charlie Sheen doc and I'm people who know you. I'm like, well, that's that's Boardwalks project. They're like, oh, that's great because everybody's watching it. So and there's so many different projects you've done like that and I can't wait to see what you do next. Andrew Freed ladies and gentlemen is always pleasure having them on the show and we'll have them on really soon. Awesome. Thank you so much, Christian.

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Thank you to you guys. I always love talking to my buddy, Andrew, obviously. And not just because he's my buddy, because he's just, I feel like, especially for today, I thought it was appropriate because we're going to start doing these shows with like industry, ideas and things that you, people who are curious about this business and not only just the people that are in front of the camera, but the people that really make them work and like the minds behind them. And I said, well, that's a kind of perfect person to have, especially that we're having, you know, this big documentary that's on about Charlie Sheen. I was like, well, I know that I know that

one of the guys that's responsible for. So I'm glad that you guys got an opportunity to hear Andrew. And it was funny because I told him we were going to pre-tape it and put it in there. He's like, well, why can I do it live? And I was like, of course you can do it live. It's just a matter. Yesterday didn't work out and today. And I'm doing like a, he'll come on for a full tour.

He really does genuinely love the community that we have here. And how kind of he's looked at the comments on the things that we've talked about want to put them in the in the clips channel so it's a very welcoming place you guys have have given um okay so here's what we're going to do i'm going to do one more story and then we're going to try to do some questions here and i'm going to give you some updates on the pilot and we're going to have some conversations and you can bring up some new suggestions i'm trying to catch 77 and you guys got me to four so far fucked up no i'm just kidding but it doesn't look like i'm going to catch Mike and Roxy just yet, but who knows?

We're on for quite a while last week, and we went to get like 95. So, all right. Let me bring this up first. And this is going to be a story here that the other day, there was, I think it was, James Gunn was on Howard Stern. And he revealed that Dave Batista was the number one choice for, peacemaker and he says well this is why i turned it down even though he was the number one choice he said dc studios co-ce co-ceeo james gunn recently revealed that his plan was for d batista to play peacemaker and the suicide squad and beyond now the actor has explained why he turned it down

last week james gun revealed that davidista was his top pick that had that happened pro wrestler would have suited up as chris smith in the 2021 movie two seasons of peacemaker superman and likely 2027th manna tomorrow, John Cena ended up being cast in the role and Gunn put the drags, actors, absence down to money on scheduling. Talking to Comicbook.com, Batista broke his silence on turning down the role

and revealed whether he has regrets. He said, I have to say, that one, I really wanted to do that part. Gunn wrote that part for me, and it was meant for me and just became a scheduling thing where I just couldn't do it because I was doing Army of the Debt.

And so it was a scheduling issue that we just could not figure out. And I think it was great. It was a blessing in disguise that I didn't do that because I have to say, I have to be honest, there's no way that I would have been able to do that role like John. He's just perfect for it. You know, and I wouldn't have done it justice. It wouldn't have been as successful.

He added, so look, and I am, I'm saying that with every bit of envy, you know, I would love it. I just wouldn't have been the same, you'd have been able to do the same thing that John does to bring to that character. It wouldn't have been the same. It wouldn't have been as good. I can honestly say that it wouldn't have been as good. These had bid farewell to the MCU after playing Drax and the Guardians franchise. Army of the Dead didn't spot a new horror franchise at Netflix. We got a pretty

forgettable and the plug was ultimately pulled on an animated prequel. Still, while the Dune Star didn't get to join the DC universe, he has found plenty of successes away from the world of superheroes. Batista remains eager to join Gunn in the DCU, but admits he might now be a little long in the tooth to transform into his dream role. Bain. I wrote the character of peacemaker for him. We offered him the role. That's what he said on Stern. Okay. I absolutely loved the answer from Dave Batista. He said, look, yeah, I wanted to do it. It was written for me.

He wanted me to do it. I wanted to do it. Couldn't do it. Scheduling. And then, and then with class said, but what John did, you can't even imagine. Because John Cena is really great in the role. I mean, he's great. He's great in the role.

And I, it is one, it won a lot of people over if you weren't already seen a fans. And I was never like, never disliked Sina. I just never thought he was great in movies. Like I mentioned previous times, I thought he was really good in train wrecked. There was something else. I think he was fine in. Didn't like him in Bumblebee and other things. I was like, eh, that didn't really transition.

And I don't know if he's got the chops. And I was proven wrong in both the Suicide Squad and Peacemaker. He's fantastic in both of those. And he really has found this is his career role so far. He really understands it. Now, the one thing I say, I think Batista's being a little hard on himself. He's like, I don't think it would have been as successful. I don't know if that's true.

It would have been very different, but I don't know. Batista is still recognized as the best actor from most people. Out of all of the wrestlers that have gone into acting, he is still recognized as the top actor. Now, the rock, I think, until recently, has been like the number three. I think Sina was number two. And then you look at the rock at number three. Now, we'll see what happens with the smashing machine because you know how everybody is. Your answer, what I would accept is even if he's good in the smashing machine, it's only one role outside of his normal stuff that he does, minus, like, I guess, faster.

And what was the other one he did? Whatever. There's a few other ones. But for the most part, it's been the rock consistently. So, like, oh, he's got to do more. It's not how it's going to work. If he, especially if he gets nominated for an Oscar and if he wins the Oscar, but if he gets not, nominated for an Oscar, so it's nominated for a bunch of awards.

He's going to quickly, by, he's going to go past John Cena and he's, it's going to be him and Batista. Snitch was the other one. Thank you. So let's see how that turns out to be. But Batista is recognized as one of the best and that's not the best right now. And so him saying, well, it wouldn't have been as good. I think he's being humble. I think he's, you know, also being a little hard on himself.

It would have been very different, but I still think a Dave Batista peacemaker, David's can be funny. Obviously, you look at what he did with drags. I think he was really good naked gun, short scene, but really good in that. He's got good comedic timing. But yes, I do think John Cena was the right person for the role. I just don't buy into it wouldn't have been as successful. I also have to catch up with Peacemaker where it is right now.

It looks like people are disappointed with it. I liked it. The last one I saw three, I dug, but apparently four wasn't that great. So we shall see. No, I didn't. And I have to catch up on alien earth too. That's one of those shows. I'm in that zone with that show where in the same way I was in the zone with like, whether it was like something like Seinfeld or something else where I acknowledge how good the show is, but I'm not rushing back to see it. And I know and it's like every time I watch it. And when I'm watching, oh, this is a really good show. But it's not, I'm not like, oh, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, go without missing an episode. I'll let it go if you are thinking like two or three behind now. As where I'll tell you, I'm watching Task right now. And Task is one of those shows where I want to see every new episode when it pops. Tulsa King Season 3 is, or is it three?

Yes, three. That's coming out this weekend. I know that I guess Generation V just dropped. But here's the problem when shows, and did they all drop it once or is it just the first three? If it's just the first three, then that's encouraging. when they all drop it once

I probably won't watch it when it all drops it once because I'm like it's too intimidating to have to watch it all now first three okay it's the first three then maybe I'll watch it first three I would much rather do first three than the whole season

Stranger Things is probably something I'll break that rule there's a few that'll break that rule but a lot of times like no all right what'd you think what do you think about Batista's comments? Do you think this is, he's being unfair? What do you have made it work?

Would you like to see him as peacemaker? The other thing that we should definitely discuss is I think you guys know as well as I do. He's going to be in the DCU. I don't think he'll play Bain. I think he's right. I think at this point, probably tougher to do. And he just want to get that big again.

He's gotten himself into, I think, healthier shape. And not that he was unhealthy before, but there's only so long you can be that big. I mean, look at the rock. The rock's cutting the way, too. So I think he will definitely be in the DCU. The question is at what capacity? All right.

Put your thoughts in there. Let me know. And whether it's the whatever channel, whatever it is, if it's here live on the replay on the Clips channel, I hope you guys have been watching the Clips channel. Really want to know. All right.

So as I promised, I want to get, I really can't even tell you how much, because Luke texted me, he texted me this morning. He was like, I really hope that you get into another conversation with the audience the way you did.

a couple weeks ago because it was just such an enjoyable conversation and hearing them and where you're going within the and so the audience like really likes to get your updates on what you're doing and i said i think that's nice and we'll we'll definitely do it and i think let's fair at this point because i as i mentioned to you where it stands where the pilot stands right now martini martini who's the real name is martini martini and i um wrote uh our pilot got it to the director and producer, and they had said, okay, look, this is what we want to do. Can you, we, because we intentionally wrote it a little longer. Traditionally, you know, how many pilots are going to run between 30 pages to 34 pages,

depending on what is you're streaming, you know, it's like a page a minute, right? So we wanted to give ourselves a little bit more room. I'd rather cut than have to have to add. And I had, we had, I think like 42, 43 pages with, you know, some, a lot of, some dialogue and a little bit more of the backstory. And then there was a scene up top that we talked about and we cut it. So basically, what both the director and the producer were like, okay, if you can get this to this point, then we really want you to put together a cast list for, the um we want you to put a cast list for the ideal roles of who you think you'd want to play this because we know that it's going to be you and martini in the two lead roles and then obviously and

we took no offense to this and understood it the same thing we would have said no one's going to know who we are you got to build around us right so we were talking about it on this show two weeks ago certain certain characters and certain ideas and lists of names or who could play this and we put together this list and like okay we're going to get this to to them And then the goal and the next step is that they look at that. They put it together, the essential line produced and say, well, right, if we get three of these names and we're going to need X amount of dollars at a minimum to make this work. We're also trying to get a DP that has worked on many things before.

We want to really, like you said, most, now look, most of these pilots when they launch whether it's a Hulu pilot. or whatever, you're looking at anywhere between $700,000 to a million dollars. Now, realistically, it ain't happen with us. But we're going to set a number and see what we can do as far as, okay, let's say X amount of dollars is what we're setting the bar at. If we hit that, we'll probably be able to accomplish this. If we exceed that, then we can probably accomplish that. So that's essentially what we're going to be.

doing. And then what I was going to go over with you guys again is like what stuff is intriguing when it comes to like the Kickstarter. And there was like behind the scenes footage, things that you could see from the set itself, potentially being an extra. There's there's on one of the scenes. There's the thing at the end of it where there's Twitter things coming in about what's happening on screen and that, you know, people who contribute to the Kickstarter, they're actually. Twitter handles can be shown on the screen. So there's things like that. So that's the stuff I want to go.

But I thought what would be fair, at least now, and this is something also we'll go more into detail once the Kickstarter is up. But I thought to give kind of an idea of what the show is. And the show is essentially about a stand-up comedian who was, he was supposed to be like, next king's shit.

and he was, you know, had deals, had other things, and he kind of got in his own way. But during that time when he was poised to be pretty great, he met an upcoming stand-up comedian, sorry, a Saturday Night Live, a cast member who had not yet gotten her time to shine on the show. they met at a party. It was the 30 year anniversary of the party. And this is all the backstory stuff.

But while they were there, they hit it all. They had a relationship. They wind up having, you know, getting married, doing the whole thing. They wind up elevating their careers during the time of the marriage, but they were pretty explosive, really explosive. And it didn't work out. Page six stuff, like just not great. So our story takes place.

20 years later, he's essentially in a Adam Carolla type of role here now where he was one of the top kind of podcasters. And now, not that Carla isn't, but he would, Corolla at that point was, but then pass what he's done. He's now in, in the shits. He's getting himself in trouble left and right on the air. People, he's, he's lost his female audience completely. He's just been, he can't, he can't get out of his own way. Still, years later, he's got a best friend, Ron, who's, been his producer on the show trying to help them get sponsors trying to help them do things

and it's just in in the shits she on the other hand she left she want to blow it up and doing well on saturday night live while they're married left to do a movie on her own was a big mistake kind of left her her her pushy job at saturday night live when she was starting to blow up and then we are it's 30 it's 20 years later she's doing romantic comedy she has a 15 year old daughter she's trying to do these streaming movies and everything trying to get back on track. People are still asking her about Saturday Live, 20 years later, still asking her about her ex-husband. She can't get on track.

She's trying. She winds up, they both wind up having things that happen on the air that aren't really working, that kind of go viral. Then someone has the idea, let her promote her movie on his show. So they do. You can imagine what happens. You haven't seen each other in 20 years. there's been, you know, mention of they've not, they've not been, it hasn't been kind.

It's a war of the roses type thing. And so 20 years later, here they are, there on the air. Is it going to go well? Well, you can imagine it probably doesn't. And then the audience hears it, loves it, says, why aren't they hosting a show together? And then they have to eventually host the show together. And the show is called excommunication. So that's the, that's the show.

And that's, um, that's, the that's essentially that then there's you have like the the the owner of that yeah yeah that's that makes no sense you said it's at all so you have they've two you've got two you have two people now who've got to who've got to coexist on the air and um and that's it so the two of them are going to be you know can they exist war the roses on the air and you've got a kind of centric owner of the podcast who's Vince you've got the social media manager who is this kind of like gen z type thing always waiting for him to love his own shit um yeah so that's uh that's where we're going with it we've got about 30 pages of it we're pretty pretty excited about it and um and yeah so we're now

we're just kind of putting the castle together vince is the the podcast owner Ron is the best friend Lindsay is the publicist of Kelly, who is Martini. I play a character named Danny. Lindsay is the publicist who is trying to get her back on track in the way that Ron is trying to get her back on track. So that's that's the gist. If you can't follow it, you must have fell in your head and hurt yourself because it's pretty simple um anyway so i will i'd love to get some anything what i've said there as far as

the superchats uh when we bring these up anything that i said if you want to i'm still looking for ideas and these are putting the final like the cast list today martini's adding names to it and then i am adding a few more names and wanted to get some more names from you guys and like i said there's kelly's daughter um there's lindsay there's uh there's uh Her or her best friend is a as a guy named David. So it's like there's there's there's these characters. The one character that I absolutely think is going to be a comedy. Gem is the character of Milo who is the he's kind of like the engineer in the podcast studio.

And and you know, he just he's just he's worked on so many high level shows. And he just he's taking this job and he just, shit just keeps happening to them left and right. So, um, anyway, that's, that's,

that's kind of the idea. So what I'll do is, I'm going to go through some questions here from you guys. If you have stuff and you have ideas in the same way about, especially when it comes to the pilot itself and things that you think I could do, ideas that we can do like, because like I said, we're making this show.

We're going to make. And I hope that, uh, you guys are on, on the journey with us. so let's get to some other ones here let's let's go tim fantastic for digitally out next tuesday reaction video next week yes we are sam already is has blocked it out we're going we're seeing we're going to be watching it on tuesday yes that's already um she's going to be all cut up with

the mccuh so ralph you said you might need to see cot stealing and to see how you feel about it you feel the same way about one battle or you definitely love it about one battle is I I love I loved the style of that I love what was going on I just don't think everybody else if you don't love Paul Thomas Anderson then you definitely I can think it's such a Paul Thomas Anderson movie even though it's different than it's other stuff but yeah I it the difference is and whether this is a way to review a movie per se on it's a very look caught stealing is a very well-made movie I love Aaron Noss and it's a very well-made movie I just didn't love the characters in the story as much as I wanted to one battle

was pretty much the story that I was expecting, although very, it wasn't as traditional, obviously. So I just responded to the story and the characters more of one battle, if that tells you anything. Ziki knew Malong. Fart, agreed. Okay, so that's a good casting choice, Fart. Appreciate it.

Let's see, next one is Sean. Pedersold, can you send my resume to Mr. Freed? I'm sure people send their resume all the time. And that's a, but yeah, no, you can, next time he's on, we'll do live and you can talk to him for sure. So let's see. Okay. The next one after this, so we got seven right now. It's going to be a short show today.

So it is. And I'm, we got Sean Peterson who was on the last one there. Appreciate it. Okay. After that one, going down the line. Here's Nathan Drake. Barnaby and Finstock show soon? Oh my God, no. Barnaby went to the game with us last night.

And I can't really, something that he said something crazy. And I remember I turned to my friend James and I said, see, this is why I don't have him on the show. One thing like that, and that's the end of the show. Nathan Drake, I don't know if Alien Earth can stick the landing. I'm a huge alien fan with this last episode was a mess and parts felt like a bad sci-fi channel movie. Well, that's not good. I've heard nothing but good things about it. But that was the last episode, I guess that didn't work out.

That's not good at all. See, so episode six and seven were kind of awful, people are saying here. Oh, that's not good to know. Man. Okay. Let's say, apparently have to watch season four of the boys before I watch Jen. It's too much homework. Forget it.

I have other things to watch then. I won't watch it then. So much homework. I'm not done that's that's so much homework to watch television these days go pal throwing us support thank you can't find the dark night video it's Sam what you mean it's on the channel just go to videos on this channel uh alber nathy wrath Brett's kid for the daughter role I'm actually I did put well the funny thing is that I I know what I put on there was Julia Butters from um from Freakier Friday so that's I put that in there and why didn't watch season four of the boys? I just never got to it. I never got to it. And by the time I did, I was like, yeah.

Anyway, so, seems like a different crowd here today. Don't want to talk about the industry and stuff. So no sweat. We'll be back here tomorrow with Steph and I. So thanks for being here. And we'll see on the flip side.