The Kristian Harloff Show - Marvel Is Skipping Out Of The Super Bowl This Year?!

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

Marvel skipping the Super Bowl this year?! We break down why Marvel Studios appears to be sitting out the Big Game and what that means for MCU marketing — especially with massive releases on the hor...izon. Meanwhile, other major franchises are stepping in, with Mando, Mario, and the Minions locking in high-profile Super Bowl ads. We also dive into Wonder Man becoming a surprise hit on Disney+, discuss the striking new poster for Michael, and look at how Send Help and Iron Lung are dominating the box office. Plus, an interesting conversation about why film students are struggling with runtimes and what it says about modern filmmaking. All that and more on today's episode of The Kristian Harloff Show. SPONSORS: TRADE COFFEE: Get 50% off 1 month of Trade at https://www.drinktrade.com/KRISTIAN RUGIET:  For a limited time only, head to https://www.Rugiet.com/KRISTIAN to get 15% off your order. PRIZE PICKS: Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/KRISTIAN and use code KRISTIAN and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! RAYCON: The Essential Open Earbuds are here to help you go for gold. Go to https://www.BuyRaycon.com/kristianOPEN to get 15% off. Thanks Raycon for sponsoring!

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Starting point is 00:00:01 Everybody that said that Avengers Doomsday trailer, it's coming at Super Bowl. Nope. They're not doing that. No Spider-Man? Nothing from Marvel. And I think that is so smart. I think it's smart. We'll talk about why.
Starting point is 00:00:23 But yeah, they're not putting in it for what? It's not 2013 anymore, guys. We'll discuss that. and more. Wonder Man. It's a big hit on Disney. How about it? And you'd be surprised to hear, I watched the whole damn thing. I watched all six episodes or six, right? Yep. Or eight, eight episodes. I watched eight episodes. I thought it was six, but I watched eight. After that, we got other things. We have the box office that we're going to talk about. big box office news actually
Starting point is 00:00:59 some more inspiring stuff as I gear towards this pilot so it's myself John Roker who we're going to start calling the trend center for the super chats and then Mike all he's got to do is bring up a porn star
Starting point is 00:01:16 he wins did you shit in there yep they certainly did All right. Let's start the show. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the show here today on this Monday, this Christian Arnold's show, and joining me on every Monday, whether I'm here or not, John Roker.
Starting point is 00:01:51 What's up, everybody? How's it going? How's it going? I wish I do more porn stars. I'm sorry, guys. I wish I do more porn stuff. You know what's hilarious is that. So on that show, and it didn't, it wasn't even intentional.
Starting point is 00:02:03 It just kind of happened where we start talking about it. And of course, next year, I think it was like an impression or something about Michael Kane and Arnold Schwarzenegger presenting at the Avian Awards. And then the next thing, you know, it just became a thing. We said, because nobody was having the balls to like tweet out these pornsters that we're bringing up. And then people started doing it. And they started writing back. And then one of the, I'm actually, I'm actually in discussion about having one on the show. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:02:31 Which one of you get? One of the, I can't say yet. but one of the people that we have been discussing, I don't know about it or not, but Mike and I have to do an interview. We're going to get 875 super chats in 10 minutes. Probably. But that's not what we're here today.
Starting point is 00:02:46 How was your weekend? That was good. Good, a lot of fun. Yeah, hung out with the lady. We went out and had a couple of dinners this weekend. So, you know, every once in a while you've got to take it out on a date. You know, you got to remember you got to have a little fun dress up because we're such homebodies.
Starting point is 00:03:01 We're such home cats now. We rarely go out. a nice time going out to a Greek restaurant and then in a restaurant the next night. Yeah, it's good times. And I saw I'll send help again, which I really enjoyed. So, yeah, I mean, that one, I think I'm going to save that for the reaction when it comes out. I'm going to do that. Yeah. I missed the Sydney Sweeney one, so I think I'm going to watch that with Steph. Oh, yeah. I don't know how it's going to do, but we'll try it. Um, so we're going to do that. Uh, and then even there's a couple other things. Did you watch the most recent Game of Thrones? Uh, yes. I thought it was really good.
Starting point is 00:03:31 It's good. Yeah. It's good. It's better and better. This whole series is excellent, man. It really does. Did you start, I don't know if we're allowed to talk about it yet, but did you start watching that new HBO Max show? Like, does that one at Jason Bateman show? No, but I got the notification that I've got those episodes and I watched the trailer over the weekend.
Starting point is 00:03:49 And I was like, ooh, this looks good. This is interesting. And especially because David Harbor has all that stuff going on behind the scenes with him and Lily Allen. It adds like an extra level of fucking meta stuff to it. Yeah, I'm looking for it. Yeah, I can't say anything yet. I don't know what the deal is.
Starting point is 00:04:03 is what I want to say what I didn't. But anyway, you know, so people wanted to talk about the Royal Rumble. I didn't watch it. I'll tell you what I did was this is, but this is the thing. This is what I told you. This is what I knew was going to have. My daughter, my little one was like, let's, I want to watch for our Rumble. Great, let's do it.
Starting point is 00:04:18 So I was like, you know what? Maybe because I'm a ESPN subscriber through that, the bulk package, I have the bundle. I'm like, maybe I have access to it. So I bring it up and it's like, with this, with this membership, you do not have access. And I went, my daughter was the next room. I looked at the thing and I went like this and I started looking on Twitter on the results. Screw you. I'm not, I'm not paying an extra for that bullshit.
Starting point is 00:04:42 Oh, I know. No way. No, thank you. It's so greedy. It's so greedy. They already charge people arm and a leg to go to those things. Yeah. And then they're going to charge me extra money to do it.
Starting point is 00:04:53 No, thanks. You blew it when you left Peacock. I wonder how damaging that was to their, to their brand when they did that. Well, they'll never tell us the truth. They'll never tell us the truth. But I think, and I suspect in some of the insiders have said this on the, on the quote-to-quote dirt sheets, that they're been, they've been suffering financially. They've been suffering ratings-wise with the decisions they've made on all this stuff. And don't let all the big, like, moments fool you.
Starting point is 00:05:18 They've actually, they're having trouble behind the scenes on this stuff. And so it's no surprise. And I agree with you. It's dumb. And Bill Simmons tweeted out a whole threat about him trying to get access to Royal Rumble. And it is one of the most prominent podcast. How does he not have access? You should send him a, you should send him a link.
Starting point is 00:05:37 100%. So dumb. The whole time to watch it. Greedy. Greedy and dumb. So dumb. Because it was, it's their big, one of their biggest events of the year. Yes.
Starting point is 00:05:48 That casual fans just love to watch. And it took me, I'm trying to get it. I'm like, okay, you know what? I'll do it. I'm like, I'm not, this is, this is dumb. So I just went on Twitter, watched your stuff, watched other people stuff. And then you told me, you had texted me and said,
Starting point is 00:06:02 predictable on who won. And I was like, who? You told me. I was like, okay. I saw that Liv Morgan and won and then Roman one. It's funny because my friend James, who comments here, was like, I guess that a while ago he said, Roman Rainton, you had initially said, no,
Starting point is 00:06:17 you didn't think it was going to happen. And you changed your tune. Yeah, when they asked me the prediction last week, I said Roman and Liv. But when I think a few weeks ago, because it looked like they weren't planning anything storyline wise for him. I didn't think it was going to be Roman. But then he did an interview with McAfee where he was complaining about his storylines.
Starting point is 00:06:36 And so that kind of changed. So yeah, yeah, yeah. But the Liv thing was predictable. I think they know they're in trouble and they go with their standards. Live has been someone that a lot of people cheer for. People are excited for her winning. Yeah. Yeah, even if wrestling still hasn't improved that much.
Starting point is 00:06:51 And Roman, people just love Roman and Roman's great. But I think Romans's like this is his last hurrah. Yeah, he's got he's got to either jump to acting or just fully commit to this for the rest of his life. You know? So I saw the masked. man thing with Braun Breaker. Do you think it's, there's only two people I think you could be. Go ahead. I want it to be the second person I bring up, but I know it'll be the first. Yeah, okay. It's either Logan Paul. Yes. Or Jake Paul. I think it's Jake Paul. I hope it's Jake Paul. And I'll
Starting point is 00:07:20 tell you why, because the guy was pigeon toad and Jake is a little pigeon toad. And so I think it was Jake. I hope it's Jake. That would make, that would be great. He should be wrestling at this point. Stop boxing. He should be wrestling. the only thing is how do you make that guy baby face? I don't know because I don't know what they're going to do with Braun. Are they going to turn him baby face against this whole situation? And what's the deal with Seth? Like there's a lot of things to untangle with the Seth Braun thing.
Starting point is 00:07:47 Why are you bringing in a mask? Someone said Austin Theory. That would be so lame. That would be so lame. They did Austin Theory twice. That would be so he's a double agent. That would be the worst writing ever if they did that. But the Austin Theory thing is a great example. Like that one night he showed up with the mask and did
Starting point is 00:08:02 all the things he did. And we buried lays a wet fart in the royal world. Like who remembered he was been in it and he got knocked out. Like it meant nothing. Wet fart is how they handled J. Uso coming out and then eliminating Brock at the same time. What are you doing? Who's running the production back there? Yeah. Also what's his face? Rusev was in for like 30 seconds. How why come back for 30 seconds? I don't it's and there were no really big surprises. Nah, not really. I mean, uh, power house. Hobbes. It was great seeing him coming over for me. But it was already rumored. And then Brie Bella. Bree was the only one
Starting point is 00:08:38 that I was really happy. Anyway, so that's, I mean, there's just not, there's no excitement behind it guys right now, especially the fact that I didn't watch it. I, it's, I was a casual PLE watcher when it was on Peacock. And I know people keep saying get the VPN. I'm too, look, these are the things that are tough for me to do.
Starting point is 00:08:56 And then Luke this, this weekend says, look, the Discord is for our channel is people who really have been picking up and been paying attention to it's building community it's great i say you know i'm gonna go check it out i'm gonna hang on to the discord it took me forever i'm like trying to i link do this ask for acceptance i looked at my phone and gave it a middle finger my own discord i said i'm not doing it i said it's too complicated do this you got to get approval and this each shit uh everybody else should go but i'm not going i tried it that's it that's it Done.
Starting point is 00:09:35 So when it comes to that, that's how it works. Now, there's other news. Okay. And that's about the Super Bowl. Yeah. And the trailers are coming. And there is some of the trailers that are going to hit. And so we get Mando, Mario Brothers, minions.
Starting point is 00:09:58 So initially, I was planning on coming to my office because I was like, Okay, there's going to be some big trailers. I'm coming into my office. I am staying home and watching the game. I am not coming to the office. There's no world where I'm driving all the way to my office to watch the Mando trailer. No, thanks.
Starting point is 00:10:16 So this is what we got thus far. Mando minions with 30-second spots costing $10 million this year. Only certain film studios are willing to fork out the cash for a spot. This year include Disney Paramount Universal Lions Games, with the titles expected to have spots. John, what channel is the Super Bowl on? Super Bowl, I think it's on Fox with Brady and I think it's on there. Let me take it a little quick as you're talking.
Starting point is 00:10:44 Let me know. There's a surprise here. It's that there really doesn't have any big reveals on the offer. Almost every title gets spots. They've already had to whatever. Oh, so it's an NBC. It'll be NBC. Okay.
Starting point is 00:10:57 Okay, so that makes sense. So Disney Universal will duke it out. The former is Mandalorian. Grogo along with Pixar's Hoppers and Toy Story Ladder at Super Mario. So they're not paying anything. Right. That's why they're doing it. And Minions 3, which makes sense, as well as Disclosure Day from Steven Spielberg.
Starting point is 00:11:14 Paramount is expected to have a spot for Stream 7, Landscape from Michael, and that's about it. Marvel Studios, despite having a hand in two films, include Spider-Member, a new day, Doomsday in December, reporting sitting the event down. Okay. I said it in my intro. I will say it again. Okay. People kept saying to me, I remember I was talking to Lou about it.
Starting point is 00:11:29 He's like, they're going to show a Doomsday trailer. It's like, there's no way they're going to show doomsday show. It makes no sense. And then everybody starts saying, there's a doomsday show. You're going to show Doomsday. I'm like, why would they show Doomsday? Even before Spider-Man, everyone started hyping to some of them. We're going to see a Doomsday trailer?
Starting point is 00:11:41 It doesn't make any sense. And it doesn't make sense. And it didn't happen for two reasons. One, putting the Doomsday trailer out before Spider-Man, that to me doesn't make sense overall. Marketing tools to have awareness of it, of like, showing it, the Steve Rogers and all that stuff, very different. It's just showing awareness that that movie's coming out in a year.
Starting point is 00:12:01 be aware. Yeah. The biggest thing, why am I going to spend $10 million on a movie I know already is hyped up and that people want to see and that when I put, it'll cost me a fraction of that to put it on YouTube and get the hype and everyone else talking about it. I could do my own event. Why am I giving someone else $10 million to run ads? As I said in the intro, in 2013, when people were running at these big spots to do it,
Starting point is 00:12:30 and this is really where you needed to go. And it was relevant to do. We're not there anymore. We don't need to do that. And I think that Disney is making the right play. It is a waste of money. It's a waste of money. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:43 I tweeted this out. One of the news broke yesterday that would be no doomsday, no Spider-Man at the Super Bowl. It's like, you know, this is, this is entertainment companies, Marvel, all these people looking at the old traditional way of doing things. And they're deciding it does, it doesn't worth it. It's not worth it. The amount of money they spend,
Starting point is 00:13:00 like $7 million for a 30 second spot, I think. Like, why would we spend that money? Right. And we can just launch the trailer on YouTube. More people are watching YouTube than they're watching traditional television. More people watching Netflix and they're watching traditional television. So it doesn't make any sense. And we see that happening at Comic-Con as well.
Starting point is 00:13:16 Like, why are we paying for all these people to fly in for one event when really the hype for it is already there and getting people in a communal space to enjoy our shit isn't as big of a deal anymore because YouTube has become the communal space or social media has become the communal space. So I think it's very smart and leave it for Coca-Cola or other brands like that. You don't need to do it entertainment-wise, in my opinion. No, it reminds me at Comic-Con. It's like, Comic-Con to see it.
Starting point is 00:13:43 Back in the day, Comic-Con was a great place to promote your movie and promote everything because you stay exclusive, you get hype in the articles. Because if you showed exclusive footage that didn't go anywhere, all the outlets would talk about it and hype would get real about it. Now that you put it, the thing comes out right away. you spend less money to put it out as opposed to spending all that money on a movie and TV show that you don't even necessarily know
Starting point is 00:14:05 is going to do well. So it's the same thing in Super Bowl. It's like, okay, I'm going to, universal, it makes sense, run all your stuff because it's on Peacock. Right, exactly. You're going to get a deal. So run all your stuff.
Starting point is 00:14:16 Synergy. Yes. Disney make, Mandelorian and Grogo, okay, I don't understand the logic behind it is in the same way that they're spending, maybe, maybe the difference is, as I said, maybe they really want to get, it is a very mainstream
Starting point is 00:14:32 movie when you get Groger, right? And you're not guaranteeing that everybody's going to run out to see this particular Star Wars movie because it's based on the television show. So maybe the logic is, all right, we want to let people know they're aware, there's brand awareness of Grogu, maybe there's not this awareness.
Starting point is 00:14:51 This will have super awareness now by putting it out at Super Bowl to let people know there's a Star Wars movie coming out. The casual fan now we'll know about it. So I guess I kind of understand it. You don't need it for Doomsday. And plus Doomsday's not coming out until December. Right.
Starting point is 00:15:07 Mandolin and Grogo is coming out in May. So I get the strategy behind it. And it's also, oh, there's a Star Wars movie coming out. So I guess I understand why they would do that. I think it was a massive error that they didn't already put a trailer out for this. Yeah. I mean, they put that little teaser out that was the same teaser they showed two years ago. So we'll see how the,
Starting point is 00:15:26 I'm curious to say the movie is, but like I said, I can wait until Monday to do a reaction to it. I'm not going to drive here just to see that, because I feel like it's going to be one of these. It's going to be a Cold War's episode. Yeah, I think the Mando Groger, as you said, makes sense because, you know, just because it's a big deal for Star Wars fans,
Starting point is 00:15:44 a lot of the casuals, did they watch that series? Do they know a movie is coming up based on that series? So you get their hype there. Hoppers make sense because Pixar's been taking it on the chin for the last few years, so you want to get more people excited for it. Plus, you know, it's a four quadrant thing.
Starting point is 00:16:01 Kids are watching with their parents. Why not Toy Story 5? That all makes sense. Super Mario Galaxy, minions, all make sense. Disclosure Day is interesting, I think, because Spielworks' last few movies haven't done that well at the box office, so you want to get people excited. Plus, you appeal to the UFO crowd.
Starting point is 00:16:16 And so you want to get them to- be the-universal again. Yeah, of course, right, exactly. And Scream 7, Michael, Michael Jackson, that's universal. You want people excited about it. And then Scream 7, all that drama behind the scenes with Barrera and Ortega and all that.
Starting point is 00:16:29 You want to get people, hey, we're getting Cindy back. We're getting Neb Campbell. We're getting Corny Cox. So it's all like brand saving or, you know, so it all make sense. The choices. And maybe there'll be a Supergirl trailer. I imagine. No, I think they said that no. Look, I think it's the same thing. I think
Starting point is 00:16:44 that if you're not universal, you don't spend the money to do it unless there's something to be like maybe I think I would do it for Supergirl. I understand. I was going to say. I agree with you. I think that if you're going to do one, it's because the same reason we gave for Mandalorian, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:59 But I just think that, you know, you get just as good at marketing as you were saying through social media and through other things than you do on a big Super Bowl. Sure. And people are not really necessarily paying attention to it and they're showing the little TV spot. You have to run over to YouTube anyway to go see if you want to see the full actual trailer as opposed to like the 30 second thing. So I don't necessarily know if you need to do that.
Starting point is 00:17:25 I think that the time has passed. And the other thing is that they're very similar to like Comic Con. They're dropping the trailers before the Super Bowl debut anyway. Like look at like Michael. Michael just dropped today. Yeah. Which I think was the right play. And now they show, you know, 30.
Starting point is 00:17:45 Is Michael Universal also? Yeah, Michael's Universal Lionsgate. Right. Yeah. Right. And then they also said, Spider-Man. people are saying they should have put a Spider-Man trailer out.
Starting point is 00:17:57 I think it's the same thing. You can drop a Spider-Man trailer a week later because if you have all of these movies, all of the movies kind of own the day, all of the movie. Yeah, yeah. If you wait a week, Spider-Man owns the day. Right. Spider-Man will always own the day. It doesn't have to share it with the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:18:13 Yeah. Spider-Man will always own the day. And I think the people, most people, who are complaining about not having a Doomsday or a Spider-Man trailer are upset because they don't get to see a doomsday or Spider-Man trailer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they're excited to see it, which is understandable. But in a business side, it's not going to hurt your business.
Starting point is 00:18:35 Like someone said, I think it's a mistake that they didn't show Spider-Man. It's not going to hurt their business by not showing you. You're adding $10 million to the marketing that you don't need. You think that if they don't run a Super Bowl trailer, Spider-Man's in trouble, it's not. No. I mean, if they can get you watching, as Christian did himself on this channel, chairs with names appearing and get millions of views. It costs nothing. Why the hell? Which costs nothing. Why the hell would they? Because I think that fantastic four trailer launch, I think they took it on the chin on that one. I bet they lost a lot of money, getting them all together, having them walk out, do the whole production. Just put the trailer out. That's what people want it. And that's the smart move overall. But even something like Ed just said, it's true, but the Super Bowl gets.
Starting point is 00:19:21 it's 100 million people watching here in the S. Sure. But again, for what movies need it. As I said, Mandalorian and Grogo? Maybe. Maybe pushing to those 100 million people to let them know, hey, there's a new Star Wars movie coming out. Probably could be a good move. Spider-Man doesn't need it.
Starting point is 00:19:37 Avengers doesn't need it. Don't need it. But somebody chimed in, though, Christian, with the World Cup. And I'm like, well, maybe that's where you put some trailers because the World Cup is a global international. More people are watching from all the countries than they are. the Super Bowl. So that might be a place where you put a doomsday trailer possibly.
Starting point is 00:19:56 But yeah, potentially. Super Bowl doesn't make sense. No. What do you guys think? Agree? Disagree? Put your thoughts in there. Let us know should they have done the doomsday trailer?
Starting point is 00:20:07 Should they have done the Spider-Man trailer? We want to hear. Thank you so much to our friends over at both Raycon and Trade. Really excited to continue to have them on as partners. I hope you guys have been. trying them. And I know a lot of people have been trying trade this is why they're back. And other people have been trying Raycons why they're back.
Starting point is 00:20:26 So I hopefully continue to try them. All the way. The it came over a variety. That's super bowl. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. No,
Starting point is 00:20:35 puppy bowl, right? Yeah. I mean, that's what they did for Superman last year. Right? They kind of teased it. But it was kind of a lame tease. It's going to be the same thing.
Starting point is 00:20:42 I agree. I agree. Kind of a lame tease. It's kind of a lame tease last year because they probably didn't spend a lot of money on it. Again, nor should they. So these people get to watch the, the puppy bowl, which is fine. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:54 Totally fine. So how's the work has been going? How's the diet been going? Good. Yeah, good. So staying on it. Yeah, cheating every once in a while, but still is staying on it for the most part.
Starting point is 00:21:06 And so doing my thing. Like I said, I got to add the working out a little more consistently. But, you know, it takes time to work up to that mentally. But it's going to happen. It's on deck for sure. I've been trying a year. Look at this, John.
Starting point is 00:21:19 Look at it. It's working. And I'm eating nuts. So I'm eating nuts. So yesterday. My wife, because she had made these turkey burgers. You want all these?
Starting point is 00:21:36 I was like, yeah, I'll eat all of them. I mean, that spinach is. That's a lot of protein. I was like, yeah. Come on. You got to do. What are you talking about? Come on.
Starting point is 00:21:45 So, anyway. Look, let's talk about some. Let's talk about the Michael trailer. What do you want to talk about? Yeah, Michael's a joke. because we're talking about trailers and everything too. New trailer dropped today.
Starting point is 00:21:56 Yeah. For Antoine Fouca, Michael. So let's talk about this trailer in general, following yesterday's poster, Universal and Landscape, unveiled the full trailer, upcoming
Starting point is 00:22:12 biopic about Michael Jackson. Fouca directs with Graham King producing the film. I'm going to have the Super Bowl spot. Also, titles described as the trailer. of the life and legacy of one of the most influential artists of the world has ever known.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Paul's Michael Jackson's life beyond the music, tracing his journey from his discovery of extraordinary talent as the lead of the Jackson 5 to the visionary artists who creative ambition fueled a relentless pursuit to become the biggest entertainer in the world. Michael Jackson's real-life nephew, Jafar Jackson, is playing Michael in the film. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:22:46 What did you think of the trailer? I thought it shows great. I did my reaction this morning. I put it up on my channel, and I just really enjoyed the trailer. And you got a full picture of what they're going to explore here. Michael's highlights being part of the Jackson 5, his domineering father,
Starting point is 00:23:03 how he broke out of that, the drama of going solo and what that did to his family and the jealousy that was there. And then also his own struggles. And then bubbles, he had the chip in there. So I thought that was really curious. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:17 So I mean, I think it's very much an inspiration. It's going to be like an inspirational Michael Jackson. and biopic, right? It's going to be about like, well, what's it like to strike out on your own, believe in yourself, fight for the things you want to create, become your own artist, go out, remove yourself from the shadow of your family and stand out on your own. So I think that's the appeal. And we'll see what the second part of the movie is going to be whenever they released that. They sure didn't show that. Is it was there? Is there, is there, is there two parts this movie? Yeah, the rumor is it's been split into two parts. And they had shot the whole movie.
Starting point is 00:23:49 but apparently they had forgotten that they had an agreement with an estate from one of the kids who sued him for the molestation stuff and so they have to read just readjust and reshoot and rewrite the second part so we'll see I think it all depends on how this one does if we're going to get a second part but yeah but even Paris Jackson his daughters come out and said that like they were she read the script and she didn't like some of the stuff in the script that they're pushing some of the lies about the narrative that they want to play to a certain audience but look you got to sell the you got to sell this stuff. So, you know, they're going to play for the highlights. Well, we certainly didn't get that in the trailer, right? No, right. The trailer seems like a, um, by the book, yeah, biopic of how you do these things. And which is not a bad thing, which happens to be a good thing. And like, you and I have spoken at great length about the Springsteen Dom, right? Or Springsteen, uh, biopic rather. So, and you, I don't even necessarily know you can call that whole thing a biopic. That was like a year in his life. Yeah, it's like a, yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:49 yeah, right. You know, it's like a sliver. A section of time where, yeah, sliver. And as Springsteen fans, like, oh, that's cool to see that. But as people who, you know, there's going to be people watching this that were not, they hear Michael Jackson songs on the radio. They know that, but they don't know the story, right? And how many people that were casual fans really know the story and learning about,
Starting point is 00:25:13 they're showing, and it shows it seems like in this trailer. Yeah. You're really focusing it on Joe Jackson. and the beginning and the times that he had with his family and then leaving his family to become the big global icon. That seems to be what this trailer wanted to focus on, which I think was smart overall. And you don't want to lead with the allegations and everything else, too,
Starting point is 00:25:37 if it's even in there. Because you don't want people to think that that's what the movie's going to be about, even if they cover it for 15 minutes. Agree with you 100%. Yeah, right? Because I think that's one of the reasons people didn't go see the Springsteen film is it looked like it was kind of a dour approach to his life and people didn't want to experience that and then the word of mouth came out about the movie and so that's what
Starting point is 00:25:57 it was it didn't go yeah exactly right so i think that um overall the i mean the movie looks solid it looks really solid and i think that by going in that traditional biopic thing i whatever you think about um michael jackson his fan base is alive and well as it's ever been. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Now, granted, 2019 was when Bohemian Rhapsie came out or 2018, whenever it came out. Yeah. It had $900 million or whatever.
Starting point is 00:26:32 Very different time when movies were making that kind of money. Easier, shouldn't say easily, but easier. Do you think this movie surpasses Bohemian Rhapsi to the box office? I think if it's a good one, I think it has a, a real chance to make a billion dollars, yes. I just think, like you said, the Michael Jackson fan base and the people who love his movies is rabid. And if they're not going to touch on the molestation stuff, that's going to be like a small
Starting point is 00:27:01 minority of voices that are upset about it, which is totally legitimate. But I don't think it's going to permeate the fandom of people and multi-generational fandom of people who want to go see Michael Jackson. Plus, I think the black community will be activated like they were for Black Panthers. to come out and see this film and droves and see it multiple times. And you know there'll be TikTok videos, you know to be social media stuff. So it just
Starting point is 00:27:26 seems like the perfect time. There's going to be backlash to this movie one way or another. Well, sure. Of course. Two ways, if not more. Yeah. The verse is if they really dive deep into it and they, you know,
Starting point is 00:27:43 go towards a narrative, let's say, finding never land. Yeah, yeah. Well, then Oh, right. Michael's fans ain't going to be happy if that happened. Right. Vice versa. They played in a way that show that this is just a dude who liked kids and got, and because of the, I mean, like kids as far as like just a, you know, like a Mr. Rogers type.
Starting point is 00:28:05 Yeah. Right. And people go bullshit and they don't, and they don't like them. And they go against it. And they say that's not how it is. So it's going to be interesting to see how they portray it. I don't know how they're. going to portray it. I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:28:20 So, and it's true, like, look, there's people in the comments right now. It's saying Michael Jackson's like Cosby. You can't just ignore the bad stuff. Then there'll be someone two seconds later that will say, never been proven. You don't necessarily know that. Just above. Yeah, the person said there are allegations. They beat them in court. So they're representing my point right now. Exactly. Neither one of them is wrong, by the way.
Starting point is 00:28:40 Yeah. Neither one of them is wrong because they haven't proven. There's a lot of crazy allegations. So it's like they both represent. the kind of comments you're going to get for this movie in general. Now, that's why I'm so curious to how they're going to tackle this. Yeah, yeah. It's going to.
Starting point is 00:29:00 I think they're going to, I think, I don't think you're going to touch upon any of the molestation stuff in this first. At all. At all. I think you're going to, I think they're going to lean in more to the weirdness of Michael, but try to explain it. Like, even the way Bubbles is in the trailer is not, Bubbles. Why does he have a monkey, right? it's more playful and fun and you see that he's lost and his mom,
Starting point is 00:29:20 they cut right to his mom saying, you've got a very special light. So it's going to be very much like smoothing over all the weirdness about Michael and his money and make him a sympathetic figure in his life. You can win. You can win with this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can win monetarily.
Starting point is 00:29:38 Right. You can win monetarily, but you can't, you can't win. So people, this is, and maybe this is what they're hoping for too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:46 The conversation in this, movie is already. Like it's already starting in in the chat here. I can only imagine. That's why I think people like someone said in the chat, it'll be lucky to make 600 million. You're insane. You have no idea what you're talking about. Michael is so big. Michael is so big. I think you're nuts. I would I would put I would put money on it definitely surpassing 600. I don't know. I don't like 700 is a is a it's I'm with you that I think that it can absolutely, if it's good, could reach a billion. Yeah. But it's still, it's a different time.
Starting point is 00:30:20 Yeah, right. So I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. But people need something to come. People need something to come together. Yeah. And that's like the first big movie in April.
Starting point is 00:30:28 Yeah. And Michael, Michael was able to transcend all that shit. Like Michael was liked by everybody across the board, political differences, ethnicity, color of skin, whatever is. Until the shit went down.
Starting point is 00:30:39 And then the shit went down. Right. But there are still people who, you know, vehemently defend him and love his music and go back to his music. I think it's going to appeal to a lot of people. And young kids are still discovering his music and doing dance videos to it, TikTok stuff to it. And his music videos have come back around to be re-appreciated.
Starting point is 00:30:57 So, yeah, I would be very surprised. If it's a good movie, again, if it's a mixed movie, I take away all my qualifications that'll make a billion. Because if it's a mixed movie, there'll be enough people who don't want it. The curiosity alone, I think, is going to get people in the theater. Yes. 100%. Because even like, because I don't know where I stand on,
Starting point is 00:31:13 I don't know enough of the facts. Because I remember when we were on Clyder Live in that documentary, came out and I thought that was damning and then there was things that came on there. That afterwards, when I was on Collier Live, that they said that those kids could be making stuff up, that those guys could. So I don't know anymore. And I hate to, I hate the past judgment on things in general because I just don't, because I think that that's what got society in trouble in general for doing that. And I don't know. The answer, I don't know where I stand on. And I don't know if I'm going to stand any differently once I see the movie because I don't know what
Starting point is 00:31:45 point of view, Antoine Fouca. or what you was forced to have. Right. That's the thing. I saw someone saying in the chat, like, oh, I don't see Foucault bending the knee. If you watch Straight Outta Compton, there's a lot of stuff that they did not highlights
Starting point is 00:32:00 with those guys. With Drake, for sure. With drags. Yeah, some of the unsavory shit, some of the crime stuff they did. They don't cover any of that in Straight Out of Compton. It was because those guys were the executive producers on it. So they don't want to see them, you know,
Starting point is 00:32:12 they have a brand to protect and they don't want them to show. I'm just shocked that they were like. they gave Corey Feldman like 15 minutes in this movie to do like a do dance segments I mean the guy's uncanny the way he the way he replicates Michael Jackson
Starting point is 00:32:28 uncanny that dude there's so much wrong with that dude I hate watch his Michael Jackson dancing clips every time to pop up to my other every time he's been doing it for 40 years he's been living off Michael for 40 years
Starting point is 00:32:44 Corey Haim and Michael that's what he's been living off for 40 years. It's so stupid. I hate the dumb. It's like, it drives me crazy. And like the one, the best one ever is the one from the Hours Stern show from the,
Starting point is 00:32:59 ever see that one? Oh, no. It's the best. It's the best. It's the best. He pulled, clearly mocking him and he's not picking up on it.
Starting point is 00:33:08 And he's, and it's just like, and then he gets something. He said, what's this song about? And he's like, oh, the troubled youth and this.
Starting point is 00:33:13 And he can't really understand what he's saying. troubled youth. And he's doing this stupid dance. It's the worst. It is the worst. And he doesn't, every, no matter where he is.
Starting point is 00:33:24 And I, I was so, that was one of the main things that was so disappointed about we'd set these Patreon goals and once we hit a certain patron. Oh yeah. And Brett and I would torture ourselves
Starting point is 00:33:32 and get front row seats to one of his concerts. I would have done it. Still would have done it. But anyway. I'd be hilarious. Yeah. So stupid. Anyway,
Starting point is 00:33:44 what do you think about, Michael Jackson biopic. You're going to see it? You're not going to see it? What are they going to do? Are they going to do? Are they going to make it the traditional biopic? What, say you?
Starting point is 00:33:56 Put your thoughts in there. Let us know. John, what we always do here every single Monday. We go over the box office. Yeah. January's been to, have you been to any screenings? You saw the same Ramie one, right? Yes, I saw send help, yes.
Starting point is 00:34:12 But I did not go see the shelter screening because it's another state of vehicles. I have not been in the theater since December. I think Avatar. Oh, wow. Was Avatar a lot? No, no, no, no, no. That's not true. That's not true. I went this year. I saw, I saw 28 years at Bone Temple when I was in LA. Oh, you've seen the Bone Temple. I was in LA. So I haven't been into New York screening since December. And it just hasn't been stuff that I've necessarily rushed out for out of the theater reactions or other things. It's going to, I think screen might be the first one. Maybe. I'm not sure. I don't know yet. Yeah. But there's a lot of people that did go to the movies this weekend,
Starting point is 00:34:49 and we had a pretty good turnout all things consider. Yeah. So check this out. Send help, iron lung, rule the box office. So you get, it's been a fascinating weekend at the box office. Send help came out on top. The well-received, dark comedy, survival, horror, Taylor performing above expectations to land of 20 million opening weekend.
Starting point is 00:35:14 How much this movie cost? and it's on a beach. Couldn't cost more than $40 million. Probably. Probably. I'll take a look. I'm going to guess. I'm going to say $48 million to make without marketing.
Starting point is 00:35:27 $40 million. $40 million. It was $40. Okay. So $40 million is my initial guess. But $40 million. It's on a beach with two really good actors. Yes.
Starting point is 00:35:38 Great. This is how, this is smart. This will make his money back and then some. Domestically, after a bumper Saturday. is 7.1, down just 100,000 from its Friday, previews, Hall of 7.2. Our rated film pulled in a further 8.1 million overseas from 47 markets for a 28 million start. Very healthy kickoff for 40 million budget genre feature. It also gives Disney three titles now dominating the global box office was Utopia 2, Avatar Fire and Ash still pulling in punters. And the biggest stories
Starting point is 00:36:07 of the weekend is Iron Lung, YouTuber Mark Piler, Mark Pilar, do you know, I don't know him. Marky Flyer, Marky Plyor. Marky Plyar is 3 million independent horror film based on the indie horror video game about convict piloting a submarine in oceans of blood. I'll tell you what? This is just shows you how big the internet is in general. This guy has like, he's got like, what, 35 million subscribers, right? Something like that, if not more. And I couldn't even get his name right.
Starting point is 00:36:37 I don't even know who he wasn't until this weekend. I have no idea who he is. That doesn't mean anything except your guy clearly is a really big. big following. It just shows you, like my, my daughter watches, like, my, my youngest watches these YouTubers are like cooking shows and everything too. They have, oh, yeah, 15, 20 millions. I've never heard of them. And it just shows you how big the internet is and also shows you how to touch I am with everything. That title. You tell me about Super Bowl ads. You told me about Super Bowl ads. A hundred percent. That title will come in a close second with 17.8 million
Starting point is 00:37:07 domestic and a further 3.9 million. The film not only stars Mark Fishback. Oh, that, okay, so he's, Oh, he's the star of it, too. Mm-hmm. Okay, but was Penn directed finance and self-distributed by him, bypassing studios altogether and marketing purely to 73 million followers. 73. Yeah. Across digital platforms.
Starting point is 00:37:26 That has even gotten the same league as major Disney release is remarkable. The other big film this weekend was the Brett Ratner directed Melania Trump documentary, Melania, which pulled in seven million domestically to come in third. This is already on John Roker's top list of the year. Number one. number one. It's his number one movie of the year. It'll be hard to top.
Starting point is 00:37:47 Please come see my movie. Hard to top. According to Amazon MGM, 72% of ticket buyers were female, and 83% were purchased by Scott Mans. While the critical reviews were dire, the cinema score was an A, suggesting the film did preach to the faithful.
Starting point is 00:38:03 Right. As one box office punnet called it. Film is playing more like a faith-based movie than a regular documentary. Finally, Jason Staten Led Shelter was pushed which was six with $5.5 million. A fairly dismal star for $50 million, though it's $7.5 million overseas.
Starting point is 00:38:18 Take was decidedly more impressive. And then the moment landed $106,000 per average on four screens. Chris Pratt, Mercy fell to seventh. I'm going to go to the actual numbers here. I'm going to bring up Mojo real quick. I'm shocked. Let's say, send help 20 million. Yep.
Starting point is 00:38:36 Iron lung. I mean, we'll talk about this time. That's the story. It's the story. and on so many different levels it's the story. But Iron Lung is a story. Melania at number three, Zutopia at number four. It was Zootopia so far.
Starting point is 00:38:53 Is that 1.276? Where is that person? Where's that person in my chat that told me I was absolutely crazy to say that Zootopia 2 would make more than Avatar? Where'd you go? Where'd you go? Shelter. He disappeared like the guy that said that Jay Uso was the main event guy.
Starting point is 00:39:09 Hey, oh my God. Shelter. 13.1 and then let's go back in here. Let's let's go to avatar. By the way, Avatar Fire and Action, it's still, even at 1.4, which it got to, it's like number, it's like the number five or six most profitable movie of all time, by the way. One of those. I saw the number on this morning. It's in the top 10. Regardless of what you think, it's still one, maybe one point four billion dollars. All right, let's talk about this. It's a flop.
Starting point is 00:39:40 But go ahead. No, it is not a flop. That's the stupidest thing anyone said. It's a disappointment. Okay. It's not a flop. You can't make $1.4 billion and be a flop. Disappointed.
Starting point is 00:39:51 They probably wanted it to make two, for sure. Two. I think to them it was probably a disappointment, but there's no. Come in $600 million less. It's not a good thing. Flop is crazy. Let's talk about Iron Lung. All right.
Starting point is 00:40:04 Let's talk about it. There's so many things I love about this. Yeah. The first I'm going to go selfishly. go ahead. This is coming from someone who has a fraction, not even, not a fraction, a bit of dust as far as subscribers compared to this guy, right?
Starting point is 00:40:20 Yeah. But he's proving my point of what I said. I told the audience, because I'm going to be self-financing this pilot. And I said, we are at a place now that you guys, when I talk to the audience, you get to decide what you want to make successful and who you want to help.
Starting point is 00:40:39 and you can tell the studios to go scratch their ass. And that's exactly what this guy did. This guy financed his own thing, put himself in the damn movie, and made almost $20 million opening weekend. And he used his massive audience that he had, and he used it right. Anybody who chastises him for that, like I don't even know who this person is.
Starting point is 00:41:00 I don't know who he is, but he is, to me, a baller. It's a baller. I mean, the fact, he did it. And if anybody says, oh, well, you used your 70, million subscribers, of course. What are you wanting to do? Of course he's going to do that. That's exactly what he should have done.
Starting point is 00:41:17 And I'd be lying if I didn't have 76 million subscribers. I said, hey, guys, all I need every one of you to do is put in a quarter and I can make my show. Yeah. Right? I'm going to be asking for a little bit more because I don't have that. But the point is we are in a different age today because of what we are able to do with YouTube and text. talk and Instagram, if you can build an audience and you can get an audience to get behind you and say, yes, we're rooting for you. We want you to succeed and we'll show up for you. That's a win that
Starting point is 00:41:53 you don't need Netflix or Amazon or Universal or Disney going, well, we want to do it. But if you can take out everybody, especially yourself, then we'll do it. Oh, and change it. Instead of it being this instead of being horror make it a comedy and instead of it being comedy make it all about dogs and you're like you can you can just do it and that is exactly why i think this guy has now he he set a new standard it's what stuckman was trying to do too and i saw people shitting on stuckman today about this and saying well how does this how does he feel now that this guy puts one movie on this 20 million again chris stuckman has about two million subscribers this guy's got 72. There was 70 million more than him. And Stuckman put and Stuckland movie is going to wind up making a
Starting point is 00:42:46 profit by the way for what he yeah what he did. And I give him a lot of credit as well. The both of them went out, use their audience and made stuff without having to worry about the studio. So both of them win. Yeah. Well, that's the thing you just said, right? The thing about Stuckman, like this is the thing. This is the truth about what being in the space is like. Everybody on the fucking sidelines has something to say, but not the guts to do it. And Stuckman had the guts to do it. A lot of people sitting on the sidelines would love to make a movie.
Starting point is 00:43:20 Get off your ass and do it. Find a way to do it. If you want to do stuff in life, you can figure out a way to do it. Sometimes it require the maximum amount of sacrifice for you financially, time-wise, family-wise, friends-wise, whatever. But that's the game if you want to do something. Sadly, we're born in a situation where you have a lot of money in your Nepo baby.
Starting point is 00:43:42 Most of us aren't. 95% of us aren't. And so the people who want to create stuff and they've built to grow through grassroots like Stockman did, they deserve respect and love for going out and doing it. The quality of it is, of course, up for subjective reaction. And rightfully so. And rightfully so, exactly. But the fact that they did it is amazing. So coming after them, to me, reeks of utter jealousy.
Starting point is 00:44:07 because you didn't have the guts to do it and you want to criticize other people instead of stepping up and putting your balls out there or your guts out there to see what happens. And if you're not going to do that, to me, your opinion means nothing. I just think for me what they both have done, they have, they already had, like,
Starting point is 00:44:25 Sutton already had, you know, been someone that I was encouraged by when he did that. Yeah. But the both of them, what they've both done, has encouraged me in very different levels because it has now encouraged, me in a pendulum swinging type of moment where
Starting point is 00:44:41 I think like I said it's like if you are someone who follows these creators you're like you know what I can be part of like the think about the people who backed that movie that he's iron one they are doing laps too they're doing victory laps and doing
Starting point is 00:44:57 this same right we did that like we they beat Chris Pratt in the box offices right they beat like they they came close to being the number one movie of the weekend. They almost beat Sam Ramey. They almost beat Sam Rame.
Starting point is 00:45:11 That's what I'm saying of the weekend. So it's like, imagine that's why I carry hope where I'm like, okay, look, here's what you, this is what I'm giving you guys. You guys have just, let's say in my dream world, you guys just put together a full season that we just got, we got picked up by Netflix because you guys finance that pilot. You made that happen with, you know, a script that I'm very proud of, with people that I'm very proud of it, but that's the kind of thing that you can do today. You can make that work.
Starting point is 00:45:40 And you can, so the dream aspect of it, I think is the most encouraging part of that story. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I think it is. And I want to clarify, I'm not saying you can't criticize the movies. Of course you can criticize the movies. But to criticize the people for trying to create those movies and making an effort to make those movies, that's where the jealousy comes.
Starting point is 00:46:00 Okay. That to me is not the result of the movies. that you obviously your opinion on the movies is completely valid whatever your personal opinion is but the fact that they did it the fact that they put their guts out there that means something and the fact that they weren't willing to do standard tired studio slop that means something it deserves your respect you know that's my opinion um and i'm with you and so like i said like i think that you can you can criticize all day long and you should and that's what that's what you open it do i mean that's the whole point is that if you you i don't care if you were a critic or or or
Starting point is 00:46:33 or not. If you make something, you're going to put yourself out there now. There's two different arguments. It's like, A, do you respect the way that I did this and made this work? And the answer should be a resounding yes. Yeah. B, do you like what I made? That's subjective. Right. Exactly. And, you know, because look, I said, I was open about it. I watched, I watched a reaction. I did a reaction to Shelby Oaks. He's fine. Yeah. It was fine. I thought, like, it was kind of like, you know, it's a little generic, but that has nothing to do with
Starting point is 00:47:06 changing my opinion on the fact look what that motherfucker did. Look what he did. He got it done. He got a made, and now he's got another chance to do another move. So, yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:19 I just wonder if the movie business would have ever even become a thing if social media was around in like when movies were first started back in the fucking 1800. It'd be different. Yeah. Every time you try to do something,
Starting point is 00:47:31 trying to make a movie or so people like, there's a dumbest thing in the world. What the hell? No one cares. Blah, blah, blah. It's like, my God. What would Empire Strikes Back be like if they're a social media? Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:47:43 You know what I mean? Why do they make him his dad? What the hell? That's so cheap. What a stupid decision? Everybody. 100%. It's the probably like the greatest thing about social media,
Starting point is 00:47:54 everybody has an opinion. The worst thing about social media, everybody has an opinion. That's what it is. That's a great thing to explore. What did you guys think? Did you see in these movies? Did you like anything that came out this weekend?
Starting point is 00:48:12 What do you think about the overall box office? Please put your thoughts in there. Let us know. Let's see. There's anything else that we could really discuss, jump into here. Did Michael? He did that. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:26 Let's do this one. Let's end with this one because I am curious. I haven't talked to John about. this yet. Oh, okay. So we will discuss. And I'm sure I'm going to be in the minority on some of this, but we'll see. Okay. Wonder Man.
Starting point is 00:48:42 Hey. It's a hit on Disney Plus, which is what I was curious about. I was curious, what were the ratings going to be like for this? Because it was getting really good reviews from both critics and audience. Disney launches Wonder Man series past weekend, title riding high, and very good reviews from critics and audiences. Not bad for a show. There was almost a potential write-off.
Starting point is 00:49:01 for the studio. It did seem to be a lack of pre-release confidence regarding the series with this binge release format. It's relatively low-key promotion and the overall tone of the work which avoids MCU tropes as much as possible in favor of a meta satire of Hollywood. Now, though, the show success is happening in the thing streaming services care the most about metrics. Click Patrol reports that the series is the most watch TV show on Disney Plus right now globally ahead of Ryan Murphy's The Beauty and second and far ahead of Tell Me Lies and third. The title reportedly topped the charts in 69 different territories with viewership score of 773. Fifth highest of any series currently being aired only hijack Bridgeton Shrinking and Tehran and Emmy winner the pit, for example, is at 633. That audience satisfaction
Starting point is 00:49:43 scores likely in part due to accessibility and tone, which is essentially a romantic buddy comedy with chemistry between Yaya and Ben Kingsley, as well as requiring very little MCU knowledge, especially of recent storylines. The few negative seems to veer towards those expecting more typical superhero fair and not getting it, which is to be expected. Third-party data. on the series as expected in a few weeks. Okay. Let's get into it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:50:06 I watched all of it. Okay, great. And I watched it all in two days. Yeah. So I really liked it. Yeah. I think what I really dug was that when they showed, so they showed them watching Midnight Cowboy, which is not.
Starting point is 00:50:21 Yeah. It's essentially what they're trying to do in this movie is make Midnight Cowboy for Marvel, right, in a certain way. Because, you know, Ben Kingsley is Rats-O-Rizzo in this. Yeah. and Ben Kingsley and Yaya are phenomenal together. They're phenomenal. So I think that this is, I very much agree.
Starting point is 00:50:37 Well, I actually agree in the opposite where I, this is the same way I felt about Ms. Marvel. I liked the stuff that was in the superhero stuff, way more than any of the superhero stuff. Like I felt like, and this is where I'm going to be in the minority. I see people talking about that fourth episode, the Dorman thing. Oh, yeah. Hated the episode.
Starting point is 00:50:58 Oh, wow. I hated that episode. I thought it was such a, shift in the good tone. They had three episodes that were going. I was like, oh, I'm so locked into this. And then they go back. It could have been a five-minute thing. The second Josh Gad was in it threw me off, completely changed the tone of the whole damn thing. I didn't think the acting was very good in the episode. I think I know it was supposed to be kind of campy and everything too. I just even certain things, I couldn't stand that episode. But then you jump back into their relationship and the actual focus of the story. And I'm all in because their chemistry was so good. I cared so much about this character.
Starting point is 00:51:32 And then it's like I was getting upset at Simon. I was getting upset at him on purpose. Because of what the way that they're like, oh, wait, he's kind of selfish. And you look at the things that he does and how he's got to like find himself and find certain things in the way that there's a lot of shocking moments. So I really dug the series a lot.
Starting point is 00:51:53 And like, and I'm telling you, there's no one else I saw that felt that way about episode four except me. Because I was so into it. I was so into it. the show and then they did this whole flashback episode with this goofy tone and it was I was like I'm out
Starting point is 00:52:09 I'm like please don't go back to this type of tone and this like the Josh Gads stuff I'm like they're trying to play him like he's Charlie Sheen at one point I'm like get out of here I'm like so that that I couldn't have did without but you could have made it seven episodes that would have been fine right
Starting point is 00:52:23 well I'll say this I loved it to pieces the series I really didn't expect it like you I was a bit trepidations which is why I held out watching it until like Monday before it dropped because when everyone's like falling all of themselves on something, I always get a little bit skeptical. But man, I ripped through it in an afternoon. It was so much fun.
Starting point is 00:52:43 As you said, the chemistry between those two guys, who'd have thought that they would have such great chemistry? And I said in my review that he is, Trevor Slattery is now essentially Tony Stark for the lower level characters. As he's done this with Sean Chi, he's done this now with Wonder Man. Maybe he'll do this with the young Avengers if they get a chance to have, have something with him. And so I'm looking at it. God knows what role he's got in Doomsday and Sugar Wars, which will be interesting to see as well. But I liked the story, which is based,
Starting point is 00:53:09 he's not, like you said, he's not the easiest protagonist to connect to because he's self-destructive from those first few minutes of the first episode when he's telling the director what to do about their own scene. Right. Right. Right. It drove me nuts. It's right. It drove me nuts. Right. That's the swinger scene with Fabro. Right. It's absolutely the swinger scene with Fabro. Right. So you're supposed to think this guy is not, it's not a smartest guy. But then you find out the stuff that he's hiding. He doesn't that he's not smart. He gets in his own way. Well, in that way. That's what I mean. Right, right, right. And then you stuff with his family, I think is really sweet. Although that was my criticism. I wanted more with his family because they
Starting point is 00:53:42 kind of were just caricatures, his mom and his brother. And there should have been more there. And his girlfriend, too. I like Olivia Thoroughby. She was, yeah. She disappears for a large story. And I thought that was a bit of a disservice. But when we go throughout, you see that it's about them. And the fact that, like, he stepped up for Trevor Slattery. I'm not going to ruin it with that actor who Trevor was friends with years ago. And I think that's the reason why Trevor makes the decision he does near the end to assume another character to help Wonder Man, I think is a great way of friendship, right? But of course, I disagree with you on that episode.
Starting point is 00:54:15 Yeah, everybody does. Everybody does. Yeah. Because, A, because if you could stick Josh Gad in a black hole and never see him again, I'd be very happy with that because I just am not a Josh Gad fan. But I like the commentary he was making about how Hollywood takes one thing, runs it straight into the ground, uses people up, and then tosses them away once they're done being used by them. Totally.
Starting point is 00:54:35 So I understood why they did it. And it gave us backstory on the story. Well, someone said it too. They said the only reason they did doorman was the facility, dormant waiver. I get it. I don't know why they did it. But you could have done that in a five-minute news report. Right.
Starting point is 00:54:47 Could have been a flashback conversation. And I'm telling you, I don't want to call out anybody in particular. But there's one scene, the acting was so bad. And not like cheesy acting on purpose. It was like, it was supposed to be like, it was so. bad. And I was like, how is nobody calling this? I couldn't believe how bad the acting was. I was like, this is like, this looks like independent,
Starting point is 00:55:05 like bad film acting. Yeah. And then, but, but then I just thought people were loving it. So what do I, what do I know? The show itself really good. And that's it. Yeah. We'll see where it goes. And where is she, where is he going to be in this whole thing? Now the response has been so positive,
Starting point is 00:55:26 what is the reaction? Are there going to be reshoots? Is he going to be a bigger part of doomsday or secret wars? I don't know. He's a ground level hero, but he's in L.A., not New York, like with the defenders and stuff. So where is he going to fit? Is this a West Coast Vision? Well, sorry, West Coast Avengers situation with Vision, Argy and him.
Starting point is 00:55:44 So there's a lot of possibilities now that people like it, you know? Well, I mean, clearly it did, I mean, that's, I wonder if they're going to, because it looked, there was no news or word that they were going to do a second season. And I think as they said, they were going to do a write-off to it at one point. I think they were looking to do a binge because they looked like they were kind of doing the echo and the iron-heart thing to this. They were kind of like dumping it and moving on. Because I think that the word of mouth really helped this show. Yeah, it helped it tremendously because the critics, look, it was predictable.
Starting point is 00:56:19 There were certain people that you and I know, we could have written their review for them and they would have said everything. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, of course, of course. That was predictable. It was the audience follow-up to me that even the people who looked like, oh, you know, of course they're going to hate it. And they didn't. And you're like, okay.
Starting point is 00:56:35 So, and it was one of those things where I was curious because I said it last week. I was, I don't know how much interest I haven't. And everybody else was telling me how fun it was and how good it was. And I was locked in. I was locked into it. And I cared because the main reason I wanted to watch it was this main reason that I was locked in is because of both Yaya and Ben. And I'm watching the both of them.
Starting point is 00:56:55 And I'm like, okay, this is exactly why I was hoping that they would deliver on it. And they did. There was a good lighthearted moments. I cared about their characters. I didn't give a shit about the superhero aspect of it. Like at one point when he has super, I'm like, oh, yeah, superhero stuff. I didn't even care. I was more involved in the relationship, even more so than the Hollywood stuff.
Starting point is 00:57:15 It was more about the relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Do you think, though, actually, actually this, Christian, do you think then, because a lot of people, And I think rightly so. A lot of people were complaining that Disney has done this now with multiple series that are led by people of color with Echo and Issa Wakanda and Ironheart and now Wonder Man, dropping them all.
Starting point is 00:57:38 But I think in this situation, dropping them all at once actually was a positive, as opposed to dragging it out week to week to week. I think it was a positive drop. This is not a type of show that is week to week to week. Yeah, exactly. So it just makes sense to drop it. I agree. and it's digestible really quick.
Starting point is 00:57:55 I didn't watch just one. I watched the first four at night. And then I watched the next four, the second one. I watched them like two movies. Yeah. And was happy that I did. And it was like it was,
Starting point is 00:58:09 and he brought back, they tied it into the Marvel stuff. They had that same cop that was in Ms. Marvel and he was in Spider-Man. And he was back and he's got a pretty prominent role. I guess Ed Harris was initially. supposed to play his agent is what it was. Oh, really? He was initially supposed to play. I like the girl they got. She was good too. She worked.
Starting point is 00:58:34 But either way, I think this is a show that I'm wondering if they're going to wind up doing a second season because it's done well. It can cost that much to make. We will see. And if they're going to bring them back in, I don't think you need to have them in Doomsday. I don't think you need to have them in cigarettes. You could have them be down the line. And the question also is going to be is he going to be part is he is he a mutant i don't know it's a good question and we're going to see where it fits because i mean traditionally in the comic books as i said earlier he's not he becomes part of the west coast avengers okay but he i don't remember if he's a mutant or not in the comics so that that that'll be curious but it certainly feels like judging from his backstory in the
Starting point is 00:59:14 series that he has had this within him since he was a child so i mean i like really to lead to that yeah i really love that i don't want to spoil it for people but i there's somewhere that he goes at the very end that I really like the dynamic. I like, I want to go into a spoil of conversation because of, it said a lot about his character. Yep. And so, and I like when the writing pays attention to that stuff. And that was the other thing with this show.
Starting point is 00:59:38 I think it's very well written. Even, even the dopey episode in, it was well written. And I understood, well, for what they were doing, it was just such a dramatic shift in tone. But like, the episode was written well. And it was almost like that almost played like a, like if that was like, episode four was like its own
Starting point is 00:59:55 Werewolf by Night type special off to the side on a day. If it would have come out after the series like then I might have liked it more. Because it was such like a jolt in the like oh I'm so they got something happens at the end of three and like oh it did it. I'm like oh great
Starting point is 01:00:12 and then this whole 30 minute thing. I'm like maybe that would have been a good like side episode you know. Yeah. Yeah. But for me because clearly everyone else, people are saying ding dong all over the damn internet so i'm definitely the the only person that didn't like that episode um that'll be that's the one when people say what's something that you that you didn't like that everyone else liked it'll be the ding dong episode yeah perfect uh what'd you guys
Starting point is 01:00:38 think of wonder man overall did you watch it did you like it did you not like it put your thoughts in there please let me know prize picks rougiette i mean i'm dropping dropping some stuff for you guys I'm hoping that you guys are going into the description and checking it out. Because you help out the show tremendously when you do so. I'll tell you something else that helps out the show tremendously. And that's John Roka setting the trend every Monday. John and I were talking about this too.
Starting point is 01:01:10 John will get to like if John gets to like 150, then the audience has to make sure the next person, the next gets 160. It's so true. It's so true. We're like, I can't have Roka winning. It's usually PLD. But right now, we're at 31 to start. And it's usually pretty damn good overall. So can we get John a win here at two?
Starting point is 01:01:33 Yeah. 200. Can we get him at 200 so we can get the win over what Mike did last week? We might have to do an experiment where we sideline PLD for a month and bring in someone who is like positive about me and see if I start winning the weeks. Well, here's the problem. Because he's not putting his Houston finger. on the scale. You know what I'm saying? Here's the problem. Yeah. Houston. What mean Houston?
Starting point is 01:01:56 Isn't he from Houston? No, he wasn't like upstate New York. That's where I met. It was the Houston live in. He met him there. But here's the problem. PLD hasn't watched this show in months. I think today's his first one that he's that he's watched. Oh, the Monday show. Yeah. In months. He hasn't. No, I'm saying
Starting point is 01:02:12 he hasn't watched the show in months. Oh, any show. No, it's hard for me. It's guys my producer. I don't even I got to make sure that he's watching the show. That seems like ground for dismissal. If he's not watching the show, he's producing. It's the way for you to do it.
Starting point is 01:02:28 I think he says he watches it on the replay. I don't know if it's true, though. All right, let's see. Let's go. He's going to text me in seconds. I promise you, I watch it. I don't agree. All right.
Starting point is 01:02:37 Hey, I watch it. Amad 95. became a YouTube member. Good time to remember. Okay. I am Dee Blake. I like that. Blake Gilbert here.
Starting point is 01:02:48 My top 10 movies of 2025, 10. long walk. That's in mine. Mickey 17. Predator Badlands. Got a Predator Badlands. I actually have a reaction for that coming out on Wednesday with Steph. She had never seen it before. It's a good one. Seven weapons. Got you. Black bag two. Black bag. Oh, black bag. I was saying black phone. Sorry,
Starting point is 01:03:10 black bag. Superman. F1, the movie. I got that one. One battle after another. I got that one. Sinners. I got that one. Hamnet. I'm not going to argue with your I like your, I like your, four through, four through one. I'm a big fan. I got a lot of those movies too. Yeah. Great. Okay, let's say.
Starting point is 01:03:28 Yeah. Michael D. Support. Are you guys planning to see the iron lung? I don't, I don't want to tell you that I 100% I'm going to. Yeah. You know, but you know, I played this for Mike. I'm going to play this for you too.
Starting point is 01:03:41 Okay, please. I feel like you, um, you will feel the same way. Brett sent this to me and I was like, this is so great and it's so true. let me see if I can find it. Is this the one where the hell is it? I played this audio the other day. I got to find it now. He and I send this fucking so much shit to each other.
Starting point is 01:04:00 I can't even find it anymore. I don't know where it went. I don't know if I have it, but shit. Is this it? No, that's not it. I don't play the wrong thing. What the hell is it? Where did it go?
Starting point is 01:04:15 Maybe I didn't. Does it delete stuff? That's terrible. Is that it? No, I don't have it. Well, essentially what it was is that there was this guy who said, you know, I have, people always can see, my days consistently are me telling people, people telling me every day the movies that I need to see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:37 Movies all the time. Oh, yeah. And he goes, and it's usually me saying, okay, I'll put them on the list. Except the truth is, I don't have a list and I'm never going to watch those movies. It's like, yeah, I get it. But I need you to know that I hear you. I will tell you that I'm putting it on. It's never going to watch.
Starting point is 01:04:56 Nathan Drake, when it comes to YouTubers making movies, it seems Iron Lung is a bigger success than Shelby Oaks. It's not fair. Maybe Stuckman should adapt the video game. Not fair. This is where I'm going to take John Roker's philosophies, a lot of things here, too. 72 million subscribers over 2 million is a significant math difference.
Starting point is 01:05:15 And it's marketing. It's huge marketing. And it's great. and it's what you've got just a major, major thing. Look, for me, I ain't making a movie. I'm making a TV pilot. And I already know I've got a significantly less subscriber count than Chris Stuckman. I'm going to be having to fight really hard to make sure that this thing gets funded.
Starting point is 01:05:36 And I'm not asking, I mean, for what it costs to make a pilot, it's going to sound to people, oh, my God, that's what you're asking for. And it's like in the grand scheme of things, I keep using this as example. I told Keith Jardine, we're making it. for he goes that's it so yeah but you've got to really push um to the numbers you have so it's i i don't think that that's fair to say to chris duckman at all i agree and i don't know why you're comparing like it's just like shouldn't we be happy that both of them got a chance to make their movies and yeah maybe one did better than the other but we don't know fully the financing
Starting point is 01:06:12 particulars of each of them and i mean it wasn't made this was made for three million dollars okay iron lund that's not what they paid for for stuckman's films so there's differences you know but shouldn't we just be happy both of them did it why we trying to shit on one to uplift the other doesn't make sense no um yeah that's just that's just that's just math gen x kid hey all smooch life was life but i'm back now glad you're back hope everybody made it into the new york drink safe and blessed well i'm glad that you're back and i'm glad you're going to be hanging out with us this new year we a lot of fun, exciting stuff, so we're happy to have you as old. Carlton Rutter, there he is. London calling.
Starting point is 01:06:54 Electing, o'lectic movies, weekend, excuse me. Wrecking crew. Which one's the wrecking crew? I don't know. Dumb but fun. Is this thing on? That was a good one. Good, not great.
Starting point is 01:07:06 I like that one. And Hoosiers, Superb Sports movie. Huges. Hoosiers, great. Oh, shit. Recing crew was the Batista Mamoa one. I still haven't watched that. I haven't watched that either.
Starting point is 01:07:15 You haven't watched that one either. I will say though that I think that the story for us this thing on is Will Arnett being a leading man. Yes. Agreed. 100%. We've been sleeping on Will. He was great. He was great.
Starting point is 01:07:30 And I was never a big Will Arnett fan. Yeah. I'm with you. I'm with you 100%. I thought he was fine on Arrested Development. The podcast at times gets irritating to me with him in Bateman and A's. But like I've always liked him, but never thought he was that, all that. And then you see him in this movie like this guy.
Starting point is 01:07:46 I should be getting calls for a lot of children. It's great. Okay, next one. Andy's Franksky. You guys must have flown through season three because there's only one episode that would make Sam that teary died. So check this out.
Starting point is 01:08:00 So we just watched, I will say in a second, but we watched. But here's a reaction. We're watching Game of Thrones. And let me get rid of this real quick. Hold on. Okay. I want to make sure.
Starting point is 01:08:14 So this is. Whoa. Followed by that. What episode was that? There's the red wedding. Oh, Lord. That episode. They had a camera on.
Starting point is 01:08:31 Dude, there's, there's like, that's, that's a, that's a fraction of what poor Sam went through. She was, she couldn't,
Starting point is 01:08:36 she couldn't speak afterwards. Now, people are flying through, yeah, we're, we're right, and she's coming in today. Um,
Starting point is 01:08:44 and we're starting season four. Like, we're ready at season four. Like, now, we've only aired, tomorrow we're airing the season finale for two. We're knocking them out because you've got to remember.
Starting point is 01:08:54 People are you firing through these? Like, yeah, we're, I mean, she came in for a few four-hour sessions. We knocked out four episodes, you know? So we're trying to, like, go through them and get it done because I'm going to, she's going to watch some of the rest of this, the Snyder movie. She's going to want, then we got a whole Star Wars kick. And I've got to get her to X-Men. She still doesn't know who's playing Dr. Doom, by the way.
Starting point is 01:09:15 Wow. I know. And I don't know how long I'm able to hold that. Um, but you have that photo up again. Do you put that photo up? Which one? The first one? The first one. I mean, shout out to the leisure wear that Sam is. Oh yeah. I respect on what she's wearing. This is, this is our lives now, ladies and gentlemen. Leisure is where it's at. Oh, respect. Totally. Um, yeah, it was, it was a great, great moment. Um, so I'm
Starting point is 01:09:43 excited for people to see it. Um, okay. So you guys must have flown through season three because there's only one episode. Yeah, that, you're right. That was it. and she i mean she's get she gets pretty teary out in a couple of everythings but that one i mean like anyone else she just she didn't know what was going on i was on the floor that i'm saying oh uh brian tidwell my theory rdj is going to return as iron man someone else will be playing doom they're lying to save surprise and ever reason for rdjj that there's there's no way they would do that because that that you would be missing out trying to promote someone who's playing doom yeah um yeah no it's downy For sure.
Starting point is 01:10:20 Absolutely. Josh, Docwell. What's up, Christian and John? Happy Monday. I hope you guys are well. My wife and I are loving
Starting point is 01:10:26 a night of the Seven Kingdoms. Love Wonder Man and can't wait for Daredevil. Keep up the great work, Jens. I'm with you on all of that. Thank you, loving. I'm loving night for the Seven Kingdoms.
Starting point is 01:10:36 I love the whole series, to be honest with you. Yeah. Did you watch a whole series yet? Not yet. No, I'm taking it week by week. I just want to enjoy it with my people's. That's fair.
Starting point is 01:10:43 So what I would tell you, though, is that you should watch, even if you know, You know what you watch with your peeps. I, excuse me, I highly recommend if you're able to watch five and six together. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. Because six, six is fine, but it's like the aftermath of what happens in five,
Starting point is 01:11:03 and there's not a lot that ultimately happens. It's just like, it should have been one big episode. Right, right, right, right. It clearly feels like two episodes split in half. Oh, okay. But it just feels like, oh, they're showing the second half of this episode. Right. And they're showing this week's one early.
Starting point is 01:11:19 I think on Friday and Saturday. Oh, good to know. Because of the Super Bowl. Smart. Good to know. Good to know. I'll have to make sure that I get my reaction early on that one. Shoot.
Starting point is 01:11:29 That's good to know. All right. Hotel nerd. Royal Rumble was meh. Five out of ten. WrestleMania and Saudi is going to suck. Yeah. That's on the SPN, too.
Starting point is 01:11:39 O'I. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what it is about the Saudi presentations, but they're kind of low-key. unfortunately they're not as crazy as they should be and something about the sound also it just does not it doesn't have that energy like Puerto Rico that was an amazing premium live event I don't know why Saudi isn't that kind of level of of presentation it's kind of shocking can I ask you a question
Starting point is 01:12:04 sure why not why not what year are we in 2026 are you sure because I saw something on Twitter that had a guana man in guana man yeah What the fuck is that? Is that the Gobly Dooker? No, that's from AAA. He's a Mexican wrestler. Is he? Which, you know, the WW bought a few months ago, and they've had WW people like El Grande
Starting point is 01:12:30 Americano shows up and fights in AAA. And the iguana man is one of the big stars of AAA. That's insane. Yeah. Guy had an iguana in his mouth. It does. He wrestles with the iguana in his mouth. Yes, that's the whole thing with it.
Starting point is 01:12:43 I hate that. I hate it. course. I hate it. Gen X. Kid. Happy 100 years of Black History Month. Respect. Happy 100 years. Respect. Hell yeah. John Petitza.
Starting point is 01:12:56 So Christian, anywhere from Penny. Now, I can't tell you, all I can tell you is that Wait, Penny Barber? Is that who you're looking at? I'm just telling you right now that I am in talks with a PR company for somebody. That's all I can tell you.
Starting point is 01:13:12 That's all I can tell you. I want in on that show. I'm sure. at Penny Barber on the show. I'm sure you do. That is top five. I'm sure you do. I'm sure you do. I'm sure you do. Perry DeVille, Penny Bomber, Corey Chase. Those are top five, dog.
Starting point is 01:13:25 I'm sure. So we're in discussions. I'm going to say we're in discussions right now. Fuck Kalinowski, man. No, no, no, no, no. I have to be able to reward Kalinowski. Whoever it is, is that all it takes? Because I won't make Monday, Sherry DeVille Monday,
Starting point is 01:13:40 or Corey Chase Monday right now. For God's sakes. I'm telling you. all all i'll say is um we're in discussions uh gen x kid hi y'all oh we did that one yeah okay um hope everyone made into year she got a new puppy though she added oh blessed i got a puppy a golden doodle names harlem that's cool nice love that you know i want to get a rotweiler that's my next one one want to get a roddy oh boy why what's wrong rods it's a lot of efforts a lot of time it's a big dog it's a heavy dog it's but they're a lot of they're really they're really good dogs i know they are
Starting point is 01:14:21 they're great dogs but it's a lot of commitment i want to rotweiler and we're my my little one and i already decided we're going to name it zingo sticks sticks yes number one surety de bill is my number one can't be i love that um let's say where is uh where's the rest of this i have this i have this i don't know where i i got to move i'm going to move this up here because they keep missing horrible I don't know yet. I haven't said anything. Howdy, I'm loving Knights of the Seven Kingdom, short and sweet.
Starting point is 01:14:53 Yeah, it is. I love that. It actually works. Look, contrary to popular belief, I don't mind 30-minute episodes of shows if you've got enough substance. Yes. If there's substance to it, you're building character with something big that happens, great. But as I've said, many times over, when you're doing Battle of the Week, Monster of the Week, Here's the Mandalorian.
Starting point is 01:15:16 Should we give them a speech for who they're talking? No, have them fight another creature in a cave. Like, no. Right. No, you don't just need to do a cartoon every week. That's true. And that's what this doesn't do. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:29 It's really, it does it very well. Tristan Green, huge props to bad money for being first to win the album of the year. Yeah. I'm going to my guys, Christian John Roker. Thank you so much, Tristan. Did you watch the Grammys last night? You're asking me if I watched the Grammys last night? Yeah, I tweeted all about it.
Starting point is 01:15:45 about it. Did you? Yes. I was retweeting a lot of people. Yeah, because people were, you know, step it up and speak it out, which I really appreciate because I think it's a really important time in our country and I, and I appreciate people speaking out about it. And so I tweeted out some stuff. So I watched most of the Grammys, but I'll be honest with you. I watched like an old man watched the Grammys. I didn't know anybody. Three quarters of the people who were showing up to sing and what I got to know any of these songs. So I apologize that I don't know that stuff. But it doesn't mean, I can't still appreciate people speaking out and being strong about it. You know, and so, yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:18 Well, I watched the whole thing. You did. No. Yeah. Oh, you did. Yeah. All right. Mr.
Starting point is 01:16:24 ND fanatic. What's up, but Rachel McAdams is such an underrated actress. I agree. Yeah. She gets more work going forward, but I'm going to bias because she's my Florence Pugh slash Julia Roberts. She's a good one.
Starting point is 01:16:35 She's a good one to have. She's, she's pretty great. I 100% agree. She's always been in my top five since I saw her in a little Canadian show called Slings and Arrow. where she plays like a it's a shakespeare company it's a very fun show she's been on the top five for me it's rachel mcadams rachel vice kate winslet and a couple others but yeah she's so funny beautiful you
Starting point is 01:16:57 we're just so on different pages with our main one but everyone else you just mentioned i'm with you yeah oh yeah oh the florence pew julia yeah rachel vice is that's just like next level sexy right i agree um all right rachel mcadams also really really good so isaiah smiths I saw Lord of the Rings in theaters for the first time over the past few days. Is there a movie you miss seeing in theaters that you guys wish you could see? What was, there was one that I saw. Oh, Dune One. I did wind up seeing Dune One in theaters, though.
Starting point is 01:17:29 Yeah, yeah. Because when I initially came out, I didn't. Really, what did it? It has to be pretty far back. Because it's all the stuff that Mark and I saw in the theater. But like, there's, I mean, Matrix, to see Matrix again in the theater, Like if I could go, when you missed it, but you didn't miss in the theater. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, something you missed.
Starting point is 01:17:48 Something you missed in the theater. I rarely miss big ones. I don't know. I'd have to, I'd have to think about that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know which, I'm trying to think which one missed in the theater that I never saw. Yeah, I'd have to go back and think which one I missed in the theater. That's a really big one that I missed.
Starting point is 01:18:10 D.J. Pond became a member. Thank you. Good time to be a member. As I said, a lot of. a lot of stuff coming out. The Demon Slayer ones, the unedited are going to be coming out pretty soon for season three. Nathan Drake, send help would be a fun reaction.
Starting point is 01:18:22 A lot of great gross out Sam Ramey-style moments. Adams and Dylan O'Brien are great. They're both great. Did you watch? So you remember my oh, he's a very close friend to mine now. He's kind of like my old the older brother I never really had.
Starting point is 01:18:38 And that's David Gambino. You remember David? David was my boss over at Silver Pictures and he ran down. He's company for a bit. You've talked about David Gambino. Very often. Yeah. So, well, David's wife wrote the anniversary. Oh, wow. Okay. Did you, did you see it?
Starting point is 01:18:54 Yeah. I thought that was a good movie. Figure it's like right up your alley. Yeah. I was really surprised how much I because sometimes the talky wins I get a little nowadays, but I actually like that one. They mismarketed that movie. Yeah. They marketed it as something different. There's a lot
Starting point is 01:19:09 of articles. I'm surprised you didn't cover that movie more because it's something, it's more, it's more, It's more about you that type of stuff you cover. Like, yeah, they, they, the studio buried it. Yeah, if it had been a bigger hit, I would have done it than talked about it. You know why it wasn't a hit as much because the studio, the studio was burying it because they thought it was too political and there was a lot of, they thought maybe bending the knee. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:33 So I'm surprised you didn't cover. But nonetheless, Dylan O'Brien is in that. So I bring that up. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. He's a great. Yeah, next kid. I watched clips of the Grammy.
Starting point is 01:19:43 Trevor Noah at the Grammys, laughing my effin ass. I do believe we know he's not coming back. He said that. And that DeAngelo, Roberta Flack tribute, Chef's Kiss, a talent, Hugh. I mean, I'm telling you. I couldn't keep my eyes off that, that whole show last night. I hope you enjoying yourself right now.
Starting point is 01:20:04 Hope you enjoy it. So good. I love it. I mean, that whole, I couldn't believe that one artist put the duck outfit on. Hey, it was great. Disco duck. Disco duck. Crushed it.
Starting point is 01:20:16 all I saw is that Trevor Noah got threatened to get sued this morning. That's all I saw. Oh, yeah, that bullshit. For jokes. You get a lawsuit. You get a lawsuit. Greenie from Oz.
Starting point is 01:20:29 I had my first day of film school today. Hey, congratulations. LJ films. Is trade coffee available in the UK through? I believe it is. You should double check on the site, but I'm pretty sure it is. But double check, please.
Starting point is 01:20:44 Mike Joyce, you should give give another discount another shot. Look, I'm going to open up the app. If I'm in it, I'll say hello. If it helps me to do anything else, no. Listen, I'm on Discord every week with my patrons. I agree with you. It's a little, like when you initially start, you've got to make sure all the right boxes are checked and you're logging in correctly and all that kind of stuff. But then once you get in, you're in all the time.
Starting point is 01:21:06 I'm going to see if I'm, it's the last time I'm ever going to try. Be patient. Gen X kid. More support. Back to work. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Joy of work. Should see you on the replay. Greeny from Oz watched F1 on the weekend was unrealistic, man. Cares.
Starting point is 01:21:21 Three broken front wings. It's a movie. It cares of it was unrealistic. Intentionally crashing for safety. Car restarts is instant DQ. But where do we get to this place where everything has to be so real. It's a movie. That's the whole point.
Starting point is 01:21:34 Yeah, you lost me on that one, Greenie. I love you, but you lost me on that one. I'm watching. I don't need my, I don't need my F1 movie to be super realistic. I want to see driving around the place. place and doing crazy shit. You know what's unrealistic? Rocky.
Starting point is 01:21:49 He would have been dead in five seconds. It's unrealistic. It would have been dead. Rocky's unrealistic. Creed's unrealistic. They're great movies. They're like one punch, one punch like that from anybody.
Starting point is 01:21:59 Dead. Wait till I show you days of thunder. I know, right? You lost me on that one. Edit the movies. Seven million opening for propaganda rat and they're still got it. Armada. Why are you running past that comment?
Starting point is 01:22:15 Why are you running? It's $1.99. Armada 8YT. Get Marky Plyer on the show. I don't think it works like that. I wish it did. If it did, Penny Barber had already to be on the show. Come on, Penny. We'll see. That's going to be one of the most anticipated guests of all the time. I've been trying to get, I've been trying to get John Boe-Aing on this show for years. Wow. If I put a poll, remember, D'Oyga said he wanted to do the show years ago. Never happened. If I put a poll up of who people would want rather see on this show, who do you think over overwhelmingly would win.
Starting point is 01:22:47 Between Penny and Boyega, it would be Penny. Overwhelmingly. We see the most success in the show when we bring up adult stars. What a surprise. We have discovered real quick who are our audiences. Mike Joyce and seven,
Starting point is 01:23:01 there was some interesting marketing from Melania. Look, clearly you knew it was going to in any, this is the president, one of the most polarizing presidents of all time. Of course.
Starting point is 01:23:14 And his wife. is making a movie. What do you think? Of course, it's going to be some, it's going to be some polarizing decisions back and forth from each. It's the best. It sucks. It's the best.
Starting point is 01:23:25 It's the worst. Yeah. I ignore all of it. It beat the expectations, which you've got to give it credit for. Yeah. But the per screen average wasn't that strong. So it'll end up like tanking it.
Starting point is 01:23:35 I ignore everything. Greeny from Oz, how do you go about getting feedback for your pilot script? Well, I send it to the people that I respect. And I send it to people who are honest. I sent it to I am either so he didn't send it
Starting point is 01:23:49 You can read it if you like I just You're I know how busy you are But I um I sent it to people that Well some people that I used to work with I sent it to some really high level people At some big companies that you all know Got their opinion And I and I wanted real I send it to
Starting point is 01:24:07 I sent it to Ethan Irwin who I would send it to all my scripts Ethan's a brilliant writer and he's a top executive You know it's like and so and then I get all the feed. I get feedback from my, from people that are really, really respect and want to get their, their,
Starting point is 01:24:21 uh, that, like notes. And I've incorporated a lot of notes. So, that's what I do. Nathan Drake. Which Travis Scott's song should play in Odyssey.
Starting point is 01:24:31 I can't believe. Dude, I couldn't believe it when you told me that, that he was in it. And I saw that. I can't believe it. It's crazy. It's crazy.
Starting point is 01:24:39 People getting mad about Libiton Youngo, right, like the last over the weekend. People get mad, But no one's saying shit about Travis Scott being in. I don't think nobody's saying it. I haven't seen anybody complaining about it. Not to the level of complaint about Lipita Nyago.
Starting point is 01:24:53 So I think it's hilarious all around. I'd say Princess Positive Christian Ali, but I heard you try to join the Discord but left because it wasn't approved my way. Sure. Sorry I didn't see your application soon enough. I would approve. Don't, I mean, don't remove the approval requirement for everybody. No, I think she's saying she would have approved you immediately.
Starting point is 01:25:11 I didn't know that was a thing. So I'll try again. I'll try one more time, though, and then if not, it has nothing to do with you guys. I just, my patience runs very thin for that stuff. Very, very thin. Maddie B. Roads to 300, trying to get you 300. Hey, three thus far. 63. Not bad.
Starting point is 01:25:30 100. Come on. Let's get to 100 people. Who shoot riot late to the show. If Roka's on a rant, Daddy Chill. Please, have you heard those? Do you know what I'm talking about, the Daddy Chill? Have you ever seen that? No, what is Daddy Chill? It's the best on.
Starting point is 01:25:43 You're trespassing on my property. Get the hell out of my yard. JT. Let me have this house. J.T. Let you have my house. My shit. I want it. Your trespassing on my property.
Starting point is 01:25:55 You didn't win shit. My yard. All of you. Daddy chill. What the hell is even that? Have you never seen that? No, no. That is great.
Starting point is 01:26:10 That is the best. That's me in the red jacket, by the way, when I was in my 20s. the hell is even now. What the hell is even? And yeah, now the guy is you, the old man is you now. Maddie, Maddie,
Starting point is 01:26:23 yeah. Eclecting weekend for me too. I caught up and watched the rip. Did you see it yet? No, yeah. I'll catch it. I'll catch it.
Starting point is 01:26:29 I caught stealing and wrecking crew. Enjoyed all three. All right. Caught stealing, I thought was okay. I'm busy, man. Yeah, RIP was,
Starting point is 01:26:37 did you, I've been watching a little, I try, we try to catch up on Saturday Night Live a little bit. I tell you, that skit with the Magum, mom was hilarious. Oh, it was funny.
Starting point is 01:26:48 That was funny. I will say also that Alexander Scarsguard was really good. I know. It was so much fun. You know what it was? I was watching, and I'll say, I was watching someone else. I don't want to call them out because they were having a lot of fun. There was another host that I was watching.
Starting point is 01:27:06 And very good performer in general in like dramas and other things too, but not, but overcooking it in the sketch comedy thing. Overcooking it and trying a little too hard. Committing, but just overcooking it and nothing seemed real. Alexander Scarsguard was in it. Yeah. He was in it. Like when he's doing the opening monologue and like the other stuff he was doing,
Starting point is 01:27:29 he was in it. And then there was like and like I watched like some of the new performers. There was a guy and it might, it might change. I've only seen one thing from the sky. I said the difference was like you look at Marcelo and I said that guy's going to be a major star. Oh yeah. Because everything he does when he was
Starting point is 01:27:45 doing the immigrant dad bit. He becomes the character. Oh, yeah. That's what Kristen Wigg did. It's what Kate McKinnon did. It's what Will Farrell. All the great ones do. Yeah. And I saw this one guy on there on the weekend update one. And he was doing, did you watch the whole episode?
Starting point is 01:28:04 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was doing the thing about the, um, calling people out. But then all he was doing was like break dancing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like that was he wasn't, you could tell. He was trying to learn his lines and everything. I'm like, and I don't know. The guy could be great down the line, but like, it's like the commitment on it.
Starting point is 01:28:20 And the commitment to Alaskander Scarscar was just really, really good. And Ashley Petitia, she has come up to be the best. She is leather. She said, which one is actually? She's the one that played the Magumomom. She's the fart thing. She is has become their Kristen Whig and their, who is, oh, Jan Hooks. Yeah, I like the other one, though.
Starting point is 01:28:40 There's another girl on that that was really good. Sarah Sherman. She's great. Sarah Sherman's great. Sarah's the best. Sarah is absolutely. The way she fucks with Colin Jost is just hilarious. And I will tell you who stepped up a little bit.
Starting point is 01:28:54 Tell me. Because I feel like she has not been good at all. They didn't really give her a chance to be good because I'm saying anything. Who's the really kind of tall? She's the tall. Oh, yeah. She was in the sketch that she was in in this week that made me laugh was the was the bob sledding thing. Or the whatever it was.
Starting point is 01:29:14 what was it called? Was it the bobsled? The bobsled, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the one you're talking. And I was like, because I, because most times she just kind of like nods or she was one of the kids in that Maga Mom thing.
Starting point is 01:29:27 Jane Wickley. Jane Wickley. And I was like, she didn't really have a chance to do this. She didn't really do anything. She was great on that, on that bobslet thing. hilarious, really funny. And then she showed up right afterwards in that immigrant dad thing. Oh, no, it wasn't an immigrant dad one.
Starting point is 01:29:42 It was the, it was the one where, that he was um they were doing like the serious moments but they were kept cracking up during the middle of it yes and she was like just doing the slate but she was she came in and was and had some ridiculous accent it was funny that's the funny she's been on the show i hope they give her more to do and let her showcase she's like a player that got uh drafted to your team and the first season you're like i don't know why we even drafted this right because last season and she got a couple singles and she had gotten like a big TikTok following, which is how she got in. Plus, she's the daughter of Lauren Michael's former assistant. So she had a kind of a shoe in. Okay. Right. Legging. But like this
Starting point is 01:30:24 season, she feels like she realized some of the criticisms for the first season. And she stepped up much more. She got a, she got a couple hits in this episode. Yeah. There was a couple of hits. The whole season she's been good. Because my wife and I have been like, what is she doing on the show? Yeah. And then I was like, wait a minute. She was pretty funny. Yeah. All right. Let's see. Maddie B. Road to 300. Support for Roko. We did that one already. Let's go. Bring it. Okay. He also says, watched Wonder Man and enjoyed it. It was very heartwarming and great departure from normal Marvel shows. I agree. I agree. More support. Maddie B. is coming in hot.
Starting point is 01:30:58 Thank you, Maddie B. who needs Derek Johnson, Maddie B says. Come on, man. Would love to see you interview my favorite star, Vienna Lovings. I don't, so funny, I don't know a lot of these names. Oh, shut up. I don't know a lot of you guys. I just only see my wife. I'm the Ashton Gear era. Who? You remember Ashland Gear?
Starting point is 01:31:20 Oh, Jesus. Yeah. What I'm saying? Yeah. Let's see. Mike Joyce. The star Penny's management is, so it's a star Penny's management also manage. So I don't know what that means, Mike.
Starting point is 01:31:32 So it's a star Penny's management. Oh, it's a star that Penny's management also manages. Oh, I'm not saying nothing. I'm not saying anything. There you go. Maddie B. Road to 300 support again. By the way, we need to throw in D Williams as consideration in here as well. I mean, D is D.I.1.
Starting point is 01:31:49 Siren de Mare, we need to throw in. So you're not going to throw Brandy Love in there because she's Maga. I don't know that she's bad. I don't know. Brady loves Maga. What's that got to matter once you're in the sheets? See, now you're speaking sense. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:32:04 You're speaking sense. It doesn't matter. What is your, I'm telling you right now, that is going to be one of my questions to whoever it is that I'm interviewing. It's about where you look at someone like, look at what happened with say, I'm just throwing the first name that comes out of mind, Zach Levi, right?
Starting point is 01:32:21 How his career dramatically with his points of view politically, right? That's not, nothing to do. Not just, not just, not just, I'm just saying it doesn't help. Okay. We can agree on that, right? Yeah. I don't think it should matter at all in the adult entertainment industry. Of course not.
Starting point is 01:32:40 I wonder if it does. That's a great question that I want to ask. Well, that's a fair point, I think, because there are some industries where if you're not MAGA, you are ridiculed. Look what happened over the weekend with the Rock's daughter. Is that what you're saying? No, I'm saying that Luke actually put up the poll of Woodcastee,
Starting point is 01:32:58 and it's split. It's split, really? 50-50. That's surprising. That's surprising. Most people probably don't know who Penny Barber is, but the ones that it did click immediately. Yeah, of course.
Starting point is 01:33:10 I can't believe that. He put that follow up. But I mean, like I was saying, with some industries, like, you know, the Rock's daughter quit the WWE over the weekend. She said F, I said, F, Trump, and then they canceled her account. So, you know, it's a crazy game right now. Armada, anyway, whoever the guest is, did you book when you're sleeping on the couch yet? No, because I'm not going to do it in studio.
Starting point is 01:33:29 I'm going to do it virtually. Tell you that. I make sure because virtually, it's like, and remember, I had an adult star on. Did you? Back in the Shmo's days, we had, no, it wasn't Jenna. I keep forgetting her name. Oh, my God. Listen, we're at 75.
Starting point is 01:33:43 I'll talk about porn stars to get us to 100 if you want me. Dude, I said I got it last time. It's not Jenna Hayes. Who the hell was her? Oh, my God. Said it last time. And Andrew Centino was on with her. It was one of the funniest episodes, and she was great.
Starting point is 01:33:57 Greenie, go stand in a corner. Greenie's like D's getting old. Go stand in a corner, Greenie. Maddie B-2-Sum, Road to Support More. Go, pal. when you say the night seven kingdoms episode six is continuation of five is it just following the gdd pattern of doing the climax in the second last episode
Starting point is 01:34:18 more so it's just yeah more so yes it just it's like the end of it of the wrap up is episode six and you're like oh okay it's like nothing like something happens in five and then six is like okay this is what happens after that thing happens uh go pal i forget which episode of game with him on season one, but there is one where reaction where you're doing your best shocked acting, like you forgot the whole thing coming. You're wrong. You're wrong.
Starting point is 01:34:46 I have been watching this show and forgetting most of the stuff that I saw. And this is what people don't realize. Like, oh, look at him. He's acting. He doesn't say he's trying to pretend that you didn't know. Unless you're talking about the big moment. If you go pal, unless you're talking about the big thing that happens at the end of episode, season one, then maybe, maybe I was doing it.
Starting point is 01:35:06 doing my best shocked acting, but I was still, I was still choked up about it, if that's what you're talking about. Um, you know, Roka did and I did too. Mike, Mike Joyce, did you see Chaparone's red carpet outfit. That wasn't an outfit though. That's just like, that's like the meat. It's like the, it's like the, it's like the, it's like the, it's like the, it's like the, it's like the, it's like, she was sexy, but she's not. But regardless of you think you see sexy or not, it's, it's, it's still like the, you remember when Lady Gaga put meat on herself? The meat dress. Yes, I remember this is like this kind of thing. It's like, you're not really. You're not really. You're not really. You're comfortable in that you're wearing that to make sure that everybody's talking about you right or
Starting point is 01:35:40 jlo with the slit all the way up into her right right it's like that's just so you know i i saw that and i was just like that's not what's doing what are he doing uh mattie b love your reaction with sam for warrior thank you have you seen m m mhma show kingdom yeah starring frank grill up yeah would you ever react to that with sam no i would never react to it because like i said i need people to watch the reactions because otherwise yeah kingdom yeah it's just not one of those ones that they watch. I have watched a few episodes of Kingdom and I liked it a lot and I have now interviewed Frank Grillo a couple of times and told him that I started watching. He's like, oh, you got to, what do you think? And I really liked it a lot. I want to finish it. I want to finish it. Oh,
Starting point is 01:36:19 thank you so much for putting it. I would have been so mad at myself if I would have forgotten this. Thank you so much, Karen. RIP to Katta-R-I-P. Karen, thank you so much for bringing that up. Oh, that devastated me. I know, man. Such a young age, too. 71. 71. is young for nowadays. Did they say what it was? She had a short illness and I had a couple of friends reached out to me over the weekend. My friend is a produce one of the producers on the SAG Awards, the actor awards and she was telling me that they were trying to line her up for a presentation and her team had told her she could make an appearance but she wouldn't be able to present because of her illness. So clearly this had been happening for a few weeks and then it just kind of
Starting point is 01:37:00 took her out sadly. So they haven't said what the illness is yet, but I'm sure that it'll come out in due time. It is sad. Yeah, and it was actually in what was really more of a bummer too was not more of including in part of being the bummer was that it's one of these first ones that actually hit my daughter. My oldest pretty hard too. She's a big beetle juice and home alone fan and everything and it just went and Catherine actually loved Catherine. Like loved her and so she was really kind of choked up about it. I think it would probably be the the one that she remembers, you remember, you remember the first time like a celebrity passed. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:41 It's kind of like that. And, oh, I saw and I know that everybody hates AI and I get it. But on the algorithm, they shuffle things around. And one of the things that got me was this music playing. And it was the Home Alone music playing in the background. And she shows up to the, to the pearly gates. And John Candy was there waiting for a camera. It killed me.
Starting point is 01:38:05 killed. But she was, I mean, never heard. And then there was actually a video of her going around. And like, they said, what, this is another one that got me. So what, what's your greatest role? Do you see this video of her? No, I haven't seen that one. He's walking through the airport and some guy comes up to her,
Starting point is 01:38:19 he tells her how much he loves her. And she's very humble one. And he says, you know, what, what do you, what role do you want to be remembered for your life? She goes, being a mom to my kids. And it's like, oh, she's just, I. Yeah. Yeah, it was a bomber. McCulley Culkin's
Starting point is 01:38:35 Oh, that was devastating, man. Yeah. So, I mean, she was amazing. And you never heard anybody. She never had any, no one said a bad thing about everyone loves her. So, yeah, gone too soon, Catherine. Thank you, Karen, for bringing that up. Maddie B. More support.
Starting point is 01:38:52 Thank you, Maddie. Yep, go, pal. Rachel Weiss in stealing beauty with Lib Tyler. Yeah. I don't remember that one. Oh, yeah. That was very, both were, both were in their prime in that movie. 100%. And he follows, I got you.
Starting point is 01:39:07 I got you. I don't, you know, to apologize for me on that one. Haskell, what up, guys, Christian? Whenever you or someone says, Penny, you should use the top gun Mavericklop and when Cruz is stunned to see Penny of the Bar and his eyes wide penny. Someone, you know, Luke, if you can find that, if somebody can find that and clip out, that would be hilarious. Good. Because I'm telling you, that's going to be, I think that'll be the, one of the highest
Starting point is 01:39:28 rated episodes. You know, do you remember this, John? Yeah. You and I got so much crap for this. Remember when we led with the Lisa Ann story when we talked about that? Oh, yeah. Of course. That is still one of the highest rated live episodes, reviewed live episodes that we've ever done.
Starting point is 01:39:43 Well, that's why you don't listen to people who complain about. I know. Why would you leave with this? They don't run YouTube channels. Because you don't care when I lead with Interatu has a new movie coming out. It'll get 3,000 views. I talk about Lisa Ann got arrested. It's got almost 40.
Starting point is 01:39:59 Yeah, exactly. Go, pal. I saw an article anniversary It was on Netflix February 1st But I can't find it Zoe Dutch is also It's kind of amazing cast Yeah and then what's her face
Starting point is 01:40:10 The one the girl The up in the plane isn't it Diane Lane is the star of it I'm Kyle Chandler Yeah but it's also got that girl That everyone who's the girl from Ghostbusters The one Oh
Starting point is 01:40:21 The rising star She's in everything What's the yeah she's just in Everything she was in that movie She was in that Dave Franco one recently she's in uh forget her name but she's she's she's like a major she's going to be like she's like one of the big up-and-coming stars right now everybody knows what she is McKenna Grace yes thank you thank you thank you Maddie Bate who else thinks that
Starting point is 01:40:44 Super Bowl commercials are lame and lacklitzer now because the trailers are all released online days before yeah yeah yeah it's like they they release all these things it's like it's not it's not the it's not the it's not the event that it used to be yeah I mean the Super Bowl is but not like the commercials and the trailers and the trailers Hank Pimp always hated Trevor Sattery so I was shocked and I loved Wonder Man and loved that character and it. Yeah, it was great. Have you all seen it? Yes, so let me tell you. I didn't love what they did with him
Starting point is 01:41:11 in Iron Man 3 initially, right? I think similar to what they did with the Clone Wars animated show, oh, which reminds me, I have a bone to pick you wrote. Me? Okay. So that to me did the same thing because Clone Wars kind of filled in some gaps after the prequels, right? added some context of things. I think that that's what Wonder Man and Shang-Chi have done for Trevor Slattery and Iron Man 3.
Starting point is 01:41:38 So I loved him in this one. I thought he was great and I thought he was real. I thought he was in Iron Man 3 seems like a cartoon. But now that there's context to it, I like him a lot more myself. Yeah, agreed. This and Shang-she, he was great in those. My bone to pick with you is something that you said a couple, like a week or two ago, that I didn't push back on right away.
Starting point is 01:42:04 Okay. And I heard you say it on Hot Mike also, which I don't agree with you. Okay. You had said when we were talking about, you know, Kathleen Kennedy and everything, too, you had said that after the prequel, Star Wars was dead. Yes. I don't agree with that. That's fine.
Starting point is 01:42:19 You can disagree with me all you want. Yeah. I was there. But you can't sell a brand for $4.2 billion, A, if it's dead. two. We just saw it. It's an A and a document. Anyway, go ahead, go ahead.
Starting point is 01:42:33 But I think Clone Wars also, now you can push back at this and rightfully so, that Clone Wars was still pushing the Star Wars narrative forward, but how big globally was that, which is fine, which is your counter and which I agree. But there was a lot of the prequels in general that people did enjoy.
Starting point is 01:42:55 Now, a lot of our generation, was not on board with a lot of the choices. But those movies, in contrast to the new trilogy, each one lost money. Yes. After one was up here, the next one was here, next one was here. Next one was here. They all made money.
Starting point is 01:43:20 But you should be going up. Precals went up. Yeah. Avengers the Sith was a big moneymaker. So I don't agree that it was dead. Dead means it's starting to go on the decline. It was on the decline. It wasn't.
Starting point is 01:43:38 People were, people had written articles. People had done the analysis of this, that the excitement for the Star Wars brand was dead amongst a majority of people. Now, you're not going to poll a bunch of kids and go like, is it dead or is it not dead? It was about people who were going to see these, who actually could spend the money to go see these. movies and for the most part it was dead because these prequels were not that good. They were not reviewed well.
Starting point is 01:44:05 People did not appreciate them that strongly. And so in the end, people were like, and that's why Lucas sold it because Star Wars fans had turned on Lucas because of the prequel trilogy. They had all, they were coming after him. And he was like, I don't need this shit anymore. You all take it. I agree with that. And they wouldn't come after him if they didn't feel the brand was dying or was not
Starting point is 01:44:26 living up to expectations. And so to me, that's the thing when I look at it. It was, I think it was dead. And they revitalized it, giving it to Disney. Again, I think dead is too strong a word. Plus, the fact, dead means there's no excitement behind it. And if there was no. I don't think there was after the pick.
Starting point is 01:44:42 Dude, in 2012, when they announced that Disney had bought Star Wars, the excitement was a fever pitch. Yeah, because they were like, great, this is going to be something new. They're going to save it. That happened today. They'll revitalized it. If that happened today that they were like, someone else bought it, People are, oh, good, maybe you have a chance to actually save it from the shitstorm that it was in.
Starting point is 01:45:01 The excitement and the, like, what's coming next was still there. It was still there. Right. The potential of it, the excitement of it. I think it's gone down the shitter now. But again, agree to disagree. All right. Let's 82, John.
Starting point is 01:45:16 82. Not bad. Some more road there. What the hell is even that? That's the best part of the whole thing. Go, pal. on the Battlestar Galactic Companion podcast. Callis talked about the tragedy.
Starting point is 01:45:31 Burris Militude, if you did 33 realistically, everyone would just be tired and cranky. I have no idea with that. I don't understand what you're saying, Goebbow. If you did 33 realistically, everyone would just be tired and cranky. I'm not sure on that one. You got a loss man that one.
Starting point is 01:45:47 Let me know what you meant on that one. Greeny from Oz, best winner predictions. Hamnet for me. Now, here's the thing. I still think one battle after another is going to win. I still think it wins. I'm not so sure about Timothy Shalomey anymore, as much of a lock as it was before.
Starting point is 01:46:10 Okay. I still think he should win, and I don't think he should be chastised for it, but I think that the Safdi Brothers thing could sway voters within, because normally I'd be like, people aren't paying attention to this shit outside. This is inside baseball stuff. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:26 The inside baseball voters are voting. So I don't think it should hurt him, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did. So I still think Chalemay wins. But if he loses, I would be like, wow, did that have something to do with the controversy? I don't think you will, but I, yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:46 But do you hear what I'm saying? I just think it's such shit. Like they're nominated, let it be. But these studios do this kind of, crap and they pump out misinformation or pump out stories to undercut artists and under just for the jealous pursuit of a gold fucking statue to claim you think you think this is a hit job yeah oh 100% really i think everything that's been coming out about chalelamay's a hit job everything that vulture fucking article was that what happened there all up in their feelings about like oh he's co-opting
Starting point is 01:47:17 black culture all that shit come on man he's been consistently this the whole time he's been in our public eye. And just because you're finally now catching up to it all these years later, it doesn't mean that like, you know, he's been, he's just doing this for attention. So it's a little frustrating because he's delivering. And I think people are jealous. I think it comes from jealousy. He speaks very strongly about his confidence for himself. And then he shows up and does it. Well, it's also predictable, right? People love it. Meaning that anytime someone is on the up and oh, we love him, we love him. Now when they're here too long, oh, we hate that guy. He's on, he's around too much.
Starting point is 01:47:54 Get rid of him. I mean, it happened with Jennifer Lawrence. It happens all the time. It's Pedro Pascal, right? People are like, I'm sick of it. You know, it's like, right. Right, it happens. Hamnet for me.
Starting point is 01:48:05 I would not be shocked if Hamnet won, but I don't think it will. I think one battle after another still wins. Yeah, yeah, I got it. 28 Vasco. I watched Judgment at Nuremberg fan. A fantastic film would suggest everyone watch it. I think, I think Ellis was telling me about that. Such relevant themes about the dangers,
Starting point is 01:48:24 publicity, apathy, and seeking true justice. I think because they showed, if you, John and I both have seen Nuremberg, the movie, I think they show a lot of that actual footage. It's not easy to watch. Judge Minerberg,
Starting point is 01:48:35 great classic film, 1961, Spencer Tracy. We did it on the center file. So if you want to hear our breakdown, it's on my podcast. But that's one of my favorite films ever. For all the things you're talking about. Armada,
Starting point is 01:48:47 8.YT. Brian Holtzman, host for Grammys 2027. I would pay top dollar to watch that. If you never see, he's a comedian, I talked about recently. I feel like you would love him also. Yeah, Brian Haltzman is, he never will go mainstream.
Starting point is 01:49:07 But he is, he is something else. Him hosting the Grammys, yeah, I would try to get a ticket to be there front row. Maddie B. 207. Speaking of SNL, did you guys see the hilarious Harry Potter skit a couple of weeks ago? No, I didn't. the Harry Potter skit. I don't think I did see it. I forget who was in it if I did. Hank Pim,
Starting point is 01:49:27 what will be the biggest box office bomb of 2026? I mean, that's always hard to say. I don't know. 2020, I mean, I don't know. It won't be Spider-Man and it won't be, it won't be Doomsday. Biggest bomb. I mean, if you're going to,
Starting point is 01:49:43 that's just so hard to say, like, what's going to be the biggest bomb? Because, like, I don't know totally what's, budget-wise, I'll just go through some of the big ones that are coming out. Withering Heights, I think we'll do fine. Let's see. I think Mortal Kombat 2 is going to eat.
Starting point is 01:50:02 Yeah, it's got a chance to eat duty. You think Masters? No, I don't think it'll bomb. I think he-man's going to do pretty well. Scream 7 will do well. Potential. Potential. Is it a bomb? I think if there's a potential. Really?
Starting point is 01:50:16 Yeah, possibly. I don't know what the, fan base is like right now because it's kind of split with everything that happened behind the scenes. I think that's, I think that goes back into what we were just talking about. I think that's a much more bubble thing than overall. I think the screen fans will come out and see it. Let's see.
Starting point is 01:50:34 Let's just go into the summer movies and see if there's, well, April, we'll start with April. Super Mario Brothers, that will do well. Yeah. Lee Cronin's the Mummy, I can see not doing very well. Devil Wears product, too, will do well. World Combat 2, I think John's right. That one's got a chance to not do well.
Starting point is 01:50:55 Mandalorian and Grogu, not a bomb. I just think, again, all it really needs to make is like between $400 and $500 million and then that's all they need. And then what else? June 5th, Master's Universe, June 12th, Disclosure Day. Scary movie 6 might not do well. I think you don't think Disclosure Day has a chance to bomb. bomb?
Starting point is 01:51:18 Mm-mm. Okay. Not bomb. But I don't know. I think it's potential because, I mean, his West Side story only made $10 million. It's different, dude. That's a musical. Aliens in Spielberg is kind of like, you know, people,
Starting point is 01:51:32 trivial ears, peer cup. Go pal. There's a clip of Helen, Helen Mirren coming out of a West End theater to yell at noisy people on the street, saying people have paid, fucking 100 pounds. Please send that to me. She's the best. She is the best. Kenya King.
Starting point is 01:51:47 Y'all remember when DX did I Face on W Live to the parody of nation domination, Triple H is a rock, attitude era was crazy. The stuff that they did in general on. Yeah. Remember, here's another thing that they would do in the old school days. I see like there's stuff where people are bringing up another old clip of like Hogan talking about. Do you see this on Tony Atlas? You see this?
Starting point is 01:52:10 It was when he was, it was when Hogan was healed before he before. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was like in the 70s. It's like in the 70s. and like yeah and so bobby heenan was the same and and and rick flare and they you got to remember though they when they were heels yeah they there was no there was no one was interviewing these guys on podcasts afterwards telling them about talking about their characters they were portraying this as real bad yes like rottie piper would be was was hitting jimmy snook in ahead with coconuts
Starting point is 01:52:43 and the most racist thing he could ever probably ever do ever and they played playing on that stuff to really get you worked up and get you pissed off. So that stuff beforehand. And not to say it was right, but it was they were playing it as if these are real horrible people that you were supposed to hate. You don't get away with that today because you also don't want to give, if Seth Rollins is a bad guy, you don't have those, because he's not going to be comfortable doing that now. Right. People know who the real guy is. They used to pretend you would get in trouble. Yeah. So Hacksaw, Jim Duggan and the Iron Sheek were supposed to be rivals. They were doing coke with each other in a limo and they got arrested and Vince was pissed because
Starting point is 01:53:16 It's like, why would you guys be doing coke with each other, hate each other? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so, um, no, you can't go back and watch those old promos and judge it through 2025, 2026 eyes. That's, that's a waste of time. Yeah, you can't. Because I mean, then you'll have to ignore all seen as coded. Right.
Starting point is 01:53:32 Homophobic promos or Rock's homophobic promos. And, you know, those are, you just, you know, it's the time. It's the time. Do you want to play a fun game? Tell me you haven't watched my show in a while. Yeah. Um, without telling me. sure this one
Starting point is 01:53:47 Andy's Franks will you ever have Mark Ellis on here you do okay Mark Ellis was on last week thank you Michael Tims now that we are getting he man how long until we get Thundercats
Starting point is 01:54:01 probably if it does well Andy Wingard's movie will probably be happening I would assume that they would put Yeah if it does well right if He Man does well I agree with that yeah Mr. Nico to soccer. Dave.
Starting point is 01:54:17 Hey guys, very overwhelming rumble. No surprises. And going with winners that are safe, shows creative is against the wall. Agreed. Also,
Starting point is 01:54:24 crazy to eliminate Brock. There was the stupidest thing ever. Happy money. I agree with you. Totally. Especially if they just eliminated Obafemi. Like, let the Brock.
Starting point is 01:54:32 Let it sit. No one's running. No one's running. No, right. Hollywood rules, 2673. Got to support my guy. Salute to the outlaw.
Starting point is 01:54:39 There you go. Go pal. I went and looked it up. When John is sorted into the steward is the one that made me think you were acting shocked rather than forgot what happened. Oh, I
Starting point is 01:54:48 I was, I forgot did completely forgot about that. That's actually true. I was not acting. I was, I was like, oh yeah, totally forgot about that. Rini from Oz. Yo, Roka. You should do Dr. Chavago on Cinefiles, please. I just saw a show called
Starting point is 01:55:05 Pony's on P.C. Ily recommended. Amelia Clark and Haley Lou Richardson. But his her mom is Russian on the show. And she says, anyone who tells you that Dr. Javago is an accurate depiction of no self-respecting Russian would like Dr. Javago. So it's kind of changed my mind about the movie, but maybe someday we'll do it down the road.
Starting point is 01:55:26 Thanks to agreeing. Seneca, uh, Seneca-carao, thoughts on the 2025 National Film Regency inductees. John, go for it. I don't even know that they're, I don't even know who they are. Okay, me either. Wrong person asked on me on that one. Unknown D-5512. I thought Obafemi Lash Legend and Saul Rooker were amazing in the Rumble.
Starting point is 01:55:44 Yeah. So Rucal was great. Soul was fantastic. Go pal. Saw that they did war pigs in Memorial for Ozzy with Pyrot. I saw a little bit of that last night. Someone did that on, I saw it. Who was it?
Starting point is 01:56:00 Who sang? Somebody that did a tribute to him on the Grammys last night. Shit. Who was it? Jelly roll? Is that who did it? Who did it? Who did it?
Starting point is 01:56:12 Fuck you. Fuck you. Who did it? Who did it? O'S Malone did. Oh. I mean, you want to open the door to jelly roll. We're going to have a fun time right now.
Starting point is 01:56:22 Who's the one that did the wrestling? Jellyroll did the wrestling. Okay. Sorry. Wrestling. Oh, yeah. He ignored me. Hank Pimp.
Starting point is 01:56:30 Is Gunther becoming the heel goat? Right now? Right now he's probably the best. I mean, I don't. What a waste of number 30, though. Yeah, I do. 100%. 100%.
Starting point is 01:56:40 Yeah. 100%. But he's, I mean, he's pretty. he's pretty good. He's getting good booze right now. John DX Dragon. Anton Fukuah is such an underrated director. He deserves way more praise than given the amount of hits he's made. What are your favorites of Fukuwa's so far?
Starting point is 01:56:57 I have to go back and look at, I mean, Training Day, right? Is up there? Yeah, trading day is, I think, his greatest one. Yeah. I have to go back and look at the full filmography, but I like, and the Equalizer movies are fun. I think there's a lot. There's as many hits as there are misses.
Starting point is 01:57:11 He's kind of a 50-50 director. on a lot of things. I mean, I thought, I thought emancipation was good. Equalizers, you said is good. But the guilty wasn't good. Equalizer 2 wasn't good.
Starting point is 01:57:23 Magnificent 7 wasn't fun. I didn't mind. I didn't mind those two. I didn't mind 7. But, yeah. I thought Shooter was good, though.
Starting point is 01:57:30 That's one of the best Walpard films. Go, pal, the way F1 wasn't realistic, the Battle Star Galactic episode 33, wait, BSJ, be snapping. I'm still lost. Are you lost or do you get this one?
Starting point is 01:57:42 The way, I've never seen Bust. like this. I don't know. Episode 30 would just be tired of people snapping each other if they did it realistic. I don't remember episode 33, I guess, go, pal.
Starting point is 01:57:52 But to follow his point, you have to make things unrealistic to be watchable. Yeah, of course. You can't make everything watchable. Totally. Eclipse, we can't even remember. That's the way to do it.
Starting point is 01:58:01 Thank you, Eclipse. Rob Job, could you guys do a Mount Rushmore of TV shows? Mine, I mean, I would have... Slow Newsday, we could do it, or do you want to do it now? I mean, I would just... Okay.
Starting point is 01:58:12 If I'm thinking of Breaking Bad... um, Sopranos. Spranos. I throw a comedy in there. I throw cheers. Definitely. Um, and then one more than a minute. Game of Thrones.
Starting point is 01:58:23 Well, last season. I don't know. Um, I don't know. The wire. The wires up there. Yeah, wires up there for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:58:32 I would say, yeah, I think you're right. Game of Thrones like as seasons one through six, you could argue. Yeah. I got to, I'm so excited to watch the last season to see because I, I didn't mind it. And I want to see if we're watching it. If I feel the same way. I didn't mind it until the finale. Remember, I was well those people that was getting shit for supporting the season of the series.
Starting point is 01:58:49 Yeah, yeah. Then that finale, shit the bed. I got to see it again. Monkee first, Sam reaction to wonderment. And that show's not a show to react to. There's no reaction to that show. Eclipse, I heard you're continuing demon slayer. I'm down.
Starting point is 01:59:03 Yeah, we recorded episodes one to three. And I'm supposed to record more with Winston today. But I'm, but I got it with Sam's coming in. I had to move Winston in next week. Maddie B. Any thoughts on word on a G. Ijo Transformers crossover. I know that they did more of those Skybound comic book. I remember the C&T's at the end of the last Transformers movie. I'll tell you that the original Marvel comics were great.
Starting point is 01:59:27 Yeah. I haven't heard anything. Have you heard anything? No, not at all. And I think they have to get like Transformers back on track and then see what they're going to do with G.I. Joe before you cross them over. Last two. Andy's a Frank C. They need to stop with the Jay Uso and his yeats. unbearable to watch and Leser's elimination was just awful. I think that they're going to have to realize they have to stop doing that now when you're going to ruin moments like that.
Starting point is 01:59:51 Even if they're doing it to mess with the fans and people who hate it, they can't ruin moments like what they just did over the weekend. Hotel Nerd, Street Fighter will bomb much weaker IP. Maybe he might be right. Street Fighter could bomb. I don't know. I mean, they are doing, it seems from the pictures and stuff, that they're doing this very much tongue-in-cheek.
Starting point is 02:00:13 they know they're making a cheesy film. And I think fans respect that when you're honest with them about it. So people will go and see it with that point of view. Whereas more to combat, I think they think they're making a serious movie. And I think it's going to be a different approach. Maybe you're right. This is the actual last one here.
Starting point is 02:00:30 Okay, okay. Says 33 was the first episode of the postman. Oh, right. Right. Was it great. All right, John, before you go, where can the good people find you? What's going on?
Starting point is 02:00:40 Head on over to the YouTube channel, my YouTube channel. YouTube.com slash John Roker says. Got so much going on. I'll probably go on live later tonight talking about all the stuff to Chris didn't want to talk about on the show the controversial shit that you know I will talk about. So come and hang out with you there tonight as well. We got geek buddies tomorrow, spill the tequila,
Starting point is 02:00:56 hot mic, everything happening this week. Head on over there. YouTube.com slash John Roker says, and if you want to listen to my Cinefals podcast, we just dropped part two of our talk on when Harry met Sally in our season of Rob Reiner. So thanks to everybody who listens to that show, mentions it here all in the show. I appreciate it.
Starting point is 02:01:13 Thank you, guys. Thank you to John. And make sure you check out John on his channel. Thank you to everybody who showed up here today. Make sure you check us out on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, anywhere podcasts are found. Check out the Discord. Even if I'm not there, the Discord is, you can find the link in the description. A lot of the community has been joining. I'm going to do a challenge right now.
Starting point is 02:01:34 Go and join the Discord right now. I want to see how many people join up. I heard that I was talking to one of our newer members, or I guess tier members, Mr. ND Fanatic, who was saying like, when I mention it, people join while mentioning it. So go join. I want to see what people say. Are you actually going to go live tonight? You say that every Monday, but then nothing.
Starting point is 02:01:55 Who are you talking to? You're actually going to go live tonight. You say this every Monday, but then nothing. I'm so confused. What the hell does that mean? Does anybody know, are you talking to somebody else? Are you talking to Roka? must be talking to Roka.
Starting point is 02:02:10 Roka left already, so he can't answer that question. I think that's what you're talking on. Anyway, thanks for being here. You guys are the best. Appreciate you very much. I do have a phone call on Friday regarding the pilots. Hopefully I'm crossing my fingers. I'll have some stuff next week to finally get into.
Starting point is 02:02:31 I don't know yet. And that's it. I'll give some more information if I do get any on the, the lovely lady that we're talking to, potentially come in that I know Mike Joyce will be excited about. Thanks. We'll see you guys soon and talk to you on the flip side. And if anybody ever gets in your face,
Starting point is 02:02:51 you've got to ask them this. Did you shit in there? It's the easiest way to do it.

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