The Kristian Harloff Show - MASSIVE! Moana 2 and Wicked dominate the box office weekend. New records set.

Episode Date: December 2, 2024

Big box office weekend as Moana 2 and Wicked absolutely dominate! Disney's Moana sequel, starring Dwayne Johnson as Maui and Auli'i Cravalho, brings audiences back to the vibrant world of Walt Disney animation. Meanwhile, Wicked: Part 1, featuring Ariana Grande, Cynthia Erivo, and Jonathan Bailey, soars with musical magic as fans dive into this long-awaited adaptation. How do the Wicked reviews stack up? Are audiences loving the Wicked trailer and the incredible performances by stars like Marissa Bode and Bowen Yang? We also dive into first reactions to Star Wars: Skeleton Crew on Disney+, starring Jude Law, as Lucasfilm gives fans a fresh taste of its latest Disney+ series. Plus, David Ayer's latest comments on Suicide Squad, updates on Gladiator 3 from Ridley Scott, and rumors around Edward Scissorhands 2 that have fans buzzing. Is 2024 shaping up to be a HUGE year for movies? Catch it all on the live Kristian Harloff Show with Kristian and Rocha, breaking down the latest in Moana, Wicked, Star Wars, and more! Don't miss the fun! 🎥✨ #wicked #wicked2 #gladiator2 #gladiator3 #moana #moana2 #sequels #starwars #skeletoncrew TUSHY: Over 2 Million Butts Love TUSHY. Get 10% off TUSHY with the code BIGTHING at https://hellotushy.com/BIGTHING VIIA: Try VIIA! https://bit.ly/viiakristianharloff and use code KRISTIAN! AG1: http://www.drinkag1.com/BIGTHING ROCKET MONEY: http://www.rocketmoney.com/THING

How's it going, everybody? Welcome back. Hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving weekend, or I guess vacation in general, not just a weekend, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Man, it feels like forever ago. Currently around 29 degrees here, where I am, that's fun. So we are not going to be talking about anything getting cold, but the box office heating up. That's how you do it. That's a segue into what is it? The show, the live show, what we do here, Ivory, Monday, myself and John Roka.

and we have stuff to talk about Moana and Wicked crushing at the box office. Once again, turning 2024 into a lowly underdog, and it is now looking like this 2024 is going to be a win for the box office overall. We shall see. Craven the Hunter, man, Sony wants people to see that movie. Put out eight minutes of the movie today. What does that mean? I'll discuss that.

I got a chance to look at Creature Commandos. I'll give a little brief thought on what I thought about that. um that more on today's show with myself and the outlaw john roka that is right that is the show so are you ready for it you better be here we go ladies and gentlemen it's monday get your shit to go welcome back one and all to the show here monday christnarlo show with myself and john roca john how was your thanksgiving my friend it was good good got to hang out with uh the lady outlaw's family there on Thursday in LA for a few hours and then came home we took a day off and just later on and watched shows and relaxed and on Saturday she made a massive meal

oh for us for Thanksgiving so that was a lot of fun getting to do that so that was my weekend yeah that's good time that's a lot the same type of stuff we hung out with the family and when we got our tree already at the Christmas tree yeah we got our tree yesterday as well yeah we got the Christmas tree you and did all that stuff and it's very Christmassy in this town and I knew that it would be. It's one of the reasons that we moved here because it's like it's cold, dude. It's cold right now. Oh, really? Yeah, you said 29 degrees. It's like 20 degrees. But it's, you know, it's funny because my wife still, L.A. for her whole entire life. And so when she, I said, this is real now. Just to let you know, this is, this is real. And we got into the car.

I don't know where we were going, but like someone left the water bottle on the car. And it was like, it was, it was ice. And we were like, I said, look at that. And they couldn't believe it. It was like magic or something. So. East Coast, baby. East Coast, baby. That's right. There was a lot of stuff. Did you see anything?

Did you watch anything? Did you do anything over the weekend as far as entertainment-wise? Well, I mean, we can't talk about it, but I watched the first three episodes of Scaliton crew. Isn't it? But you can't you do a, is it? Is it so, I thought, I thought, so. I thought so. I thought so.

I thought, I thought, it's a little p.m. I thought, it's a social. Well, somebody's dropping socials. Are they? I don't know. I mean, I can, I can double check that. I haven't, I was planning on watching it today. I'm interviewing Frank Grillo today. Okay.

So I was watched. So I watched both, what is it, Creature Commandos and Werewolves. Yeah. So that was my, that was what I was doing. So I wasn't able to do Skeleton Crew, but let me, let me find out because if you did. I'm looking at right now, social and review embargo is today at 6 p.m. PT and 9 PM PT. Yeah, yeah, for both. So somebody who's dropping and not supposed to be dropping. So yeah, I guess. I guess. Yeah, 12, 2 at, yeah, 6 p. Eastern okay okay so you can't say so the links yeah because the links are done at noon today oh wow they're done today at noon today yeah yeah all right I got how many how many episodes three oh my god I'm not gonna be able to do it I won't be able to watch I'm gonna have to wait until oh I mean it comes out today so you'll get the first two episodes

tonight I think and then so it's just a bummer because I was planning on getting to it and wasn't one of those things I mean look here's here's the funny thing is that there's There's two sides of it. And people get mad sometimes when I say this, but like, I very much wanted to watch it. And I'm like, I just, I had to prioritize and say, all right, I have this. And I really, and I blasted through like six episodes of creature commandos. Yeah. Which I don't know.

I think that the social embargo is left. I can just say that I'm enjoying it. It's like, it's, it's very much. It makes me, though, say, this is the stuff James Gunn is good at. Like, this is essentially. It's a suicide squad again. It's really what it is. It's suicide squad in animated form, but with different people.

And my question is, what does he do with Superman? Because this, this works for peacemaker. This works for the suicide squad. This works for this. And it works for Guardians of the Galaxy, albeit, you know, a little bit scaled back. Yeah. But it won't work for Superman. So I want to see how that changes up.

But I am enjoying what I'm seeing and I'm interested in. So again, I don't know how much I can talk about yet. I know IGN dropped something on Creature Commandos, so I'm assuming that you can talk about. I don't know, I don't know what the socialist. If the IGN did it, then yeah, I imagine. I would assume, I would assume. But we can look in that in a little bit.

But I also started watching, you know, this is a thing as we are watching the Oscar contending movies that are coming out. This happens to me every year, John. Every year. Like there's movies that I need to see. And you know from having. a significant other that you have a little bit

more of a I guess you could go and watch it in another room you're not getting no kids are knocking on the door or nothing if you want it to spend a day you tell you tell your lady hey I'm going to spend this day today watching movies yeah I do not have the luxury

yeah so I have to find something to watch like get well creature commandos I said listen I've got to watch this and I had my my oldest who was her 13th birthday yesterday yeah oh happy birthday yeah so she was she was like hey i want she goes i hadn't watched arcane season two yet and she watched the whole thing she's like i want to watch it with you want to see your reactions i want to so i watched an episode with her the other day and then last night she's like

you watch one and i go i got to watch this thing she's like for my birthday and i'm like all right so then i had i watched i watch and i watch that i watch an episode with her on that and then i was like i got to i got to watch these episodes so i had this one of what to talk to this guy about But the other night, I was like, okay, let's watch something. My wife and I, so I turned on three different movies. She bailed on all three of them. Oh, my God. Conclave within seconds.

It was like, she's like, I have wanted nothing to do with this movie. So she, she bells on it. September 5th, we watched a little bit of. And I said, that's pretty dark. Yeah. September 5th, yeah, but I mean, but it's because of what it's about. What it's about, but it's more, but that was more of a wider release studio movies. So I was, okay, she cannot stand.

independent she thinks everything is so rc-fartsy dark she's not wrong with like you go back and you look at like 1992 and like the kind of movies that were getting nominated are movies that everybody knew right even even it was like you know fried green tomatoes and things like they were still wide release movies that people knew right movies are being released now that the the the average person has no clue what it does no it's true right you have to be a real deep um lover of movies like look at look in 1992 jfk bugsy prince of tides beauty and the beast sance of lambs you'd argue prince of tides probably the least known of the five but that's still barbers strides and nick nolte at that time who were very well known so it's a great point you bring up here christ yeah so you know anyway so

you know anyways so i was like well i got to watch these movies anyway because i need to watch these for for my work so right i got to figure out a way to do it anyway um and so i started and the other one we started watching that i knew she was going to bail on and i said I said, there's no way you're going to stick with this, but let's try it. And that was the substance. Oh, yeah, the Debbie Moore and Morgan Quali, which I'm really digging a lot. But like, I have to watch these things. And like, I watch a television show.

It's like, okay, I watch this tonight. And I watched and I told you, I watched, do you watch Dune, right? We didn't talk about, but we haven't talked about Dune. Doom part two? No, the series. Oh, yeah, June Prophecy. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I really like it.

I don't know what the hell people are talking about. Like people are boring and slow. It's thinking about. like no shit it's what it takes it takes it takes time to move it and and like but in a way that you're like i'm interested i care about this stuff it doesn't feel like denise uh dune i don't i don't agree i just think it takes it doesn't take place on aracas so like you know at least the first two don't um so i was that i had a chance to watch but i have all these things that i'm watching in like television ways and i'm watching these oscar movies the same way um because i'm gonna finish substance

i'm gonna finish september 5th i just got um what was the other one the brutalist just came in the brutal it just came yeah yeah yeah i'm gonna check that that's my afternoon like after we're done i'm gonna grab a little lunch and then jump in and sit down and watch september 5th and brutalist back to back we saw i saw heretic over the weekend how was it i enjoyed it i really liked it i know some people been like sniders been in and out on it but i liked it and uh when we watched juror number two the clinny's i like that one i really enjoyed i like juror two we that one my wife didn't bail him that one she watched we watched that together and i i like that movie the nicholas holt was great in that movie um so it was really damn good i thought it's really

yeah my lady is way less learned on movie she's much more into the tv series so she doesn't know nicholas holt that well and so she was like this guy can really act and i'm like yeah he's been doing this he's in three of these films like most baratoo and then the oh yeah that came in too by the way we saw we both saw that but that was on the screeners too so funny i saw somebody in the chat and i was assuming this is someone who doesn't have children said it's funny i find it funny that you can't finish a film it's like okay buddy okay come on come on yeah okay just I'm an asshole dad I can finish them all all the time sure you can fit it's like it's like that's someone who either doesn't have kids or like you said how how how many

already has them going off to college because or doesn't love his kids right or so I was like you know it's it's it's tough listen there's what I would love to do I'd love to stay up to five in the morning watching these things I don't get to sit down to start watching stuff until like eight nine o'clock like last night i had to like plan out and make sure that i watched creature commanders and i didn't watch all them i watched those i wanted to watch all of them they're only like 20 22 minutes but so i watched quite a few um but i had to plan my day too with you you're absolutely right like i have to watch these in the daytime because like night time is our time and i've got to you know you got to put you got to put the quality time in with uh with your

significant other when you can we watch we're into taylor sheridan stuff so we finished up episode seven of Lioness Season 2 last night, the new Landman episode. So we have to pick our times to watch our stuff. And so you have to be clear about it. So the daytime is the time when I can watch the things that I need to watch. So yeah, I hear you, man. And I, and yeah,

just you have way more with the kids and stuff. Yeah, just like get out of here. It's like six. Go back. I've got to do a whole bunch of things with them. You know, and when I get back and put the little one to sleep and everything too. And if she's doing this thing now, she wants the dog to come up. And then I got to bring the dog up. It's like a, it's like a whole thing.

by the time we sit down finally it's like 8.39 o'clock is like you choose and she bails on something like tonight i'm i'm finishing one of those things and then i had to come in today and i watched warwolves when i when i was right and i don't know what i can talk about of that did you ever watch it ends with us i know we're going to you were going to watch that we're going to talk about that that's the one with the blick lily movie oh no i haven't watched that when you it's not it's not it's not it's that it's that one i think i think we rented it so like that it's about to debut i think on a streaming platform. Maybe I'll do a reaction to that. Well, when you watch it, you let me know,

because that's when I want to discuss that movie with me. Okay. If it's on a streaming thing, I'll find it in the next couple of days. You should. But there was a lot of people that were watching movies over the holiday because the box office is testament of that, John. We did some big numbers.

There's big numbers here. And here's the report itself. Moana, too. Did you wind up seeing it? Moana, too, I've not seen it. So I'll be catching that one at some point in this couple of days. We got it. Moana 2 shattered the projections this weekend at 386 million worldwide. Huge.

221 of that came from its record setting five-day Thanksgiving stretch, which nearly doubled the previous record held by Frozen 2 for the holiday. Wow. It's the biggest five-day debut in history and the best start for Walt Disney animation. A further 165.3 million came from 48 overseas markets in which the film opened worldwide. It's the second highest opening weekend of the year to date behind the only Deadpool Wolverine. Despite no holidays outside the United States, the film overperformed in almost all markets and opened at number one in all of them, bar China. In multiple countries, including France and Egypt, the biggest animated opening of all time.

In Australia, it was the top opening weekend for Disney Animation or Pixar title. Wicked, meanwhile, is now up to 359.3 million worldwide total after two weekends. The title landing a further 117.5 domestically. Wow. And 29 million overseas at the box office this session. Gladiator 2 is now up to 320 million worldwide after the three weekends of international play with a further 27.2 million at the box office overseas and 44 million domestically this season. Red 1, which costs 250 to produce, now sits at a hall of just 149 million worldwide after three weekends.

and it looks like it will cost Amazon MGM Studios millions. Yeah, I mean, for sure, it's it's the same Black Adam conversation. That's a, that's a, it's a decent number. If it would have cost, I mean, 150 still, it's still, what was the total was 150? Is that what it was? Yeah, 200. No, no, no, no, it costs 250 to make and it and it sits at just 150 worldwide. That's going to be a hard one to do even if, unless you, even if you make it for like

$60 million, just to $150, 150, $150 ain't, ain't, that. that great. So, but it's still 250, you, you, that's, it's, it's, there's no excuse for it now. There's no excuse for it. But if you look overall at the numbers there, you, again, Moana 135, huge, wicked 80. This is just for the, from 29th to December 1st. Gladiator two, red one and then the best Christmas patcher ever. Um, so this is a huge weekend for the box office, man. This is what we've been discussing. And it looks like, Like once again, wicked, I still don't know.

I don't know if I agree with you that it could get to a billion. But it's, I'm starting to get to a place that if it does, I'm not going to be like, oh my God, I can't believe it. It's because this is all about repeat viewing. Yeah. It's all about it. Because my daughter wanted to go again. My other people I know want to go again.

As much as I hate the stupid singing thing that they're talking about and the rock is endorsing in theaters. And so did Cynthia Reevo. some on some interview stop saying that stop telling people unless it's a sing-along movie stop telling people to sing especially if people haven't seen the movie before and i'm not going to a sing-along i'm not going to a karaoke thing i'm going to see a movie stop that but it is starting conversation and it's getting people wow why are people singing in the theater they're excited about it well maybe you should go see this thing so i don't know what are your thoughts of of this whole thing John. Well, about the singing, I'm not a fan of. And I think I tweeted something out like that,

because the rock used to say it's not sing along with the rock. Well, it shouldn't be singing along with Wicked either. So I hope that's done. And Cynthia's saying, I agree. It's a little bit, how can I say this without being, it's a little bit elitist. It's a little bit like, oh, well, I'm not going to have to experience it. But it's my movie. So you should go and say, these are the things that's frustrating. Right. You're like, no, stop it because people just want to go and enjoy it. And the theater going situation is already worse than it. ever has been in the past, why add the idea of having people singing along and people are going to want to walk out of the theater? Why would you want that overall? So I think it's foolish to

say those kinds of things. I understand where they're coming from because you want people to experience joy in a movie theater again. I totally get that a communal experience. But not everyone's going to know the songs. So you're going to ruin the authenticity of hearing the songs for the first time. If you're hearing someone next to you who never made it as a singer singing off key because they love the song so much. It's going to ruin it for you rather than enjoying the performances on screen. As opposed to the, but with the box office, I think this is incredible. This is really surprising to see how much, because a lot of people are predicting this is going to be a boom in November, and it's going to have to carry the box office a little bit in December because

people don't feel there's a lot of many strong, some of the analysts I saw saying that December doesn't look, it's going to have a lot of strong movies coming out. And certainly, brother, releasing the first eight minutes of a movie that's coming out tells me they might not have a lot of confidence if people are going to go to theater to see this thing but it does mean they have confidence in their movie it just means that they don't i think it does i think it means it okay yeah i think listen if you if you don't have confidence in your movie and you don't think anyone's going to see it you don't say hey let's show eight minutes of this fart bomb you know you say you say hey no one's going to see our movie like we looked at the stats no one's going to see it what do we do let's show them how good

it is you want to show them like eight minutes eight minutes really no one's going to see it You got to if you show them eight minutes and go, hey, I'm actually interested in this and I want to see where it goes. That's the idea behind it. I think it's desperate as hell. But there's like you, if you do put it. And look, I didn't watch eight minutes because I don't want to see eight minutes of the movie. I'm going to see it in a screening of it. So I don't want to ruin it for myself.

But if I wasn't planning on seeing it, I would be interested in going to say. I want, I'm curious that if anybody in the chat actually watched it, is it any good? Or do you think it looks like, you know, a fart lemon? Like, like, what does it look like? I'm curious. It doesn't mean they're always right, though. I mean, they thought Joker 2 was a hit, and they put it out in these big festivals and they got destroyed. So sometimes they think they've got something good and they put it out ahead of time or put it out and put out extra minutes of it.

And it's not that good. So we'll see if the eight minutes expose it or get people excited about it when we see it in the theaters for sure. It's so funny. Like, even people in the chest, I wasn't even interested in watching the eight minutes and it was free. And it was free. It was free. Like that's that's crazy. Oh my God.

Yeah, I don't I don't know if, uh, but I think Wiggins is going to cross it. There's no way. You think Wicked and Wanda 2 have a real chance. I think Moana's got a better shot at a billion now with those numbers. Well, like you said, the repeat watching people are bringing like their different family members to see. That's what I told you. I wouldn't be that I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be super surprised.

My, my only push my, well, one of my pushbacks is Moana's about an hour and a half, an hour and minutes wicked's almost three hours long yeah you're right right so that's that's so wicked right now sits at 359 after what two weeks right yeah yeah moana sits at 386 after a weekend so out of the two of them i'm telling i'm i'm putting my money on moana too and disney might have another billion their third billion dollar movie and they haven't had this since like what 2019 or something like three yeah let me ask you something because something popped up for me over the week I'm not going to say the person's name. It's a pundit who is in our sphere.

Yes. Who maybe was recently let go of an outlet and started his own show. He said that people have been overhating on the rock and said that this number for Mwana 2 proves that the public still loves the rock and the number of their number. Oh, call out who it was. Come on. But like Red One is sinking like a source. Stone. Well, he's a guy who wanted to be a pro wrestler. So I've got, I've got questions about

his points of views and if he's biased here, trying to keep a connection with the rock, trying to, you know, kiss the Rock's ass a little bit because Moana, too, is not doing well because the Rock is in the movie. It's not called Maui 2. It's called Moana 2. And people loved the first movie because of the character. Let me tell you. But it's not just Maui. And he shouldn't be the people that the thing that they're hanging it on that it's just on the rock and no one else. That's nonsense. Let me let me let me respond to that because I have no idea who you're talking about. Really? No, I don't know who you're talking about.

Well, you said someone that wants to be a pro wrestler. At first I thought maybe it can't be, but campby doesn't want to be pro wrestling. No, this guy's actually wrestled in the ring. He's taking pictures of himself. I don't know who it is. So I can say this. That person is 100% wrong. This is nothing to do with the rock.

This is now let me tell you this, though, what I would. will say if the rock wasn't in the movie it would have heard it it would have heard it if if they would have to say yeah i don't it's not the only reason people went to see it right but it definitely would have heard it in the same way that when aladdin two used dan castan ellens that are robin williams right good point look it wasn't theatrical so you can't really compare it that way but people still notice that robin was gone and dan's great voice talent is as homer simpson but you notice hey homer's doing the genie now. So if the rock wasn't doing it, you would notice it absolutely for sure. But it wasn't like, oh, well, the Rock's doing a new animated film. Let's go see it. No, it's because

Moana 2 is one of the most, Moana is one of the most beloved new Disney films in quite a while. Yeah. Like both the voice characters are coming back to play the team character. Yes. If the Rock was still had that superstar power, then to what your point, you're 100% correct. Red 1 would, we wouldn't be talking about Red 1 as a loss. We'd be like, oh my God, we were wrong. We're saying it shouldn't cost 250, you should cost 350. Look at it. It made a billion dollars. But so, look, I want the Rock's movies to do well. I want the Rock to do stuff to do a lot of good stuff.

I like the Rock, but it has nothing to do with that. That is, that is, if that, I didn't read whatever this person said. I didn't see it, but that is, that is incorrect. It's just frustrating to me because we blur the line too much. And, you know, we talk about it on the hot mic all the time. Are you a critic? Should I take you seriously? Or are you a fan who also?

reviews movies like which are you because if you're constantly in this place where you're and look i've been guilty of taking pictures with pedro pascal uh i try to get a photo with denzel couldn't i know there are you're such a fan you curly are with pedro that's right with pedro you you have these moments and you're like okay yes because these are life moments right i mean interviewing sebester stollone interviewing cleanies would these were amazing moments for me but it doesn't mean that i'm not going to call out Clint Eastwood. I'm not going to call out Sylvester Stallone. And I think too many times some of our pundits, some of our people in our sphere are so desperate to maintain these connections with their heroes that they go after the public or go after other critics who are

rightfully criticizing something is terrible. We're not overhating the rock. The product has not been good. And there's nothing wrong with pointing that out. And I think too many times there's this thing of like and people want to go oh my god this artist he said to me i'm the greatest interviewer he's ever had it's like come on man what are you do i take you seriously or do not take your seriously what are you right so i guess i'm caught in that middle place of punditry where i it's hard to take someone serious because well it's like we talk about when it comes to like when there's there's something you want people to love stuff you you you do you hope that they love it but that's why i say the everything is awesome crew i i'm not listening to them because i know what they're

going to say in the same way that I know when people are going to hate something I don't listen to them either because I know that that's what their brand is I know that the brand is I can't I have to I love everything I don't want to I don't want to hurt the right my my either it's opportunities whether it's the fact that the the love like I just want to celebrate everything it's like well that's totally fine and you should but I'm not going to take your opinion to merit from for me because I know already what you're going to say I can guarantee you I'm going to go through the social media reactions and reviews for Skeleton Crew, I can tell you right now, I could list the names of who's going to

really enjoy it and who's going to really love it. And I can tell you the list of who's going to hate it and who's going to say that it's, you know, the shills are doing this and that. I can tell you the whole list. The list that I want to know is the people are going, let's actually dive into what I want to see is I want to see the channels. You know what you're going to press me is show me one of those channels on the one side that goes, hey, look, I want to make the video how I hate this show I don't I think it's a really good show I'm sorry I know that you're looking at me to shit on this thing but I got to tell you this time it's good and the vice versa I want to see like I just couldn't get into this one and I don't really like it I thought

the acting was bad and then I'm going to wait a minute now wait that was that was unexpected that's what I'm looking for and you know when you're going to get it never won't get you won't get you'll get it you'll get it you'll get it from people that you know that are actually looking at this with eyes of like I'm going into it saying all right I'm going to watch this and say I want to I want a good show but I'm also going to say and I still if I don't feel like it's a star wars feeling show I'm going to say it I'm going to get shit on for saying and I know but I'm also going to give it credit if it's a good show yeah so so you know that's it's where we are which we can't be in the middle here and I guess that's the point I'm trying to make and

I want to see more people who are not so desperate to get their asses kissed by stars, and I want to see more people who are going to tell the truth and not be afraid that they're not have it taken like you're attacking the star that you so desperately want to maintain a relationship with. Be honest. That's what your job is, to be honest, authenticity. And so I want to see more of that and less of the ass kissing that I see going on sometimes. Maybe I'm an old false. No, I could, I was, I got into a conversation my brother say there's no world i'm i'd have this with you off air but i'll even i'll tease it here because the audience is like oh please have it please have it but i won't because it'll be it'll be it'll be our

entire show i think to where and this is a where i think that news stations like cnnnn fox news and msmb i i think they're a disaster i think they're all a disaster i think that they're public opinions their opinions they're not they're not news there's other that's why still like an old man watch Lester Holt because he just tells you because he just tells you what happened and if there's a cat stuck in a tree and great um I feel this is what this is the conversation I got into I feel currently today yeah that Hollywood as a whole yeah is more damaging than CNN slash uh Fox News all of them in general what do you mean by that I think that they have a responsibility also to you know look at what they're doing in

general, Hollywood, there's some things that they do that the, the idea of what they're doing and morale and giving people equal opportunity is 100% the thing that should always be done in any business, not just Hollywood. I think that sometimes the Twitter generation, everything else and everything that happened from, you know, whether 2015 to 2018, people go, oh, well, we don't want to get yelled at Twitter, so let's do this, let's do that, let's do this, let's do that. And by presenting and look at this, that's why you get all these conversations where people, we have both agreed on this, that sometimes that when you force certain things, certain agendas, whatever it might be, you are damaging the actual idea of it and what you want to do. I think you bring up like Dr. Strange too, you know, inside of like how. And there are times when you do that it damages it.

And I think that Hollywood does, I think Lucasfilm does that all the damn time. And I think there's a lot of times where it's like, no, make good stories, make other things and don't make people feel bad a lot of times for wanting things because you can say, this is why I don't get into the whole thing. Because there's certain opinions that I have that people go, oh, it's because you're misogynistic or you don't like black people, you don't like women, you don't like this. And it's like, no, it's not that that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that there are times that you look and you go, that casting was brilliant and shit up. The only reason you're talking about that is because you are racist. because you are because that's a brilliant character choice and the way that that whoever that individual is doing it is great there's other times that it was like it was done to be done and there's no arguing that it was it was no it wasn't it's like yes it was and it and i think that hollywood is in a place where they it's like you you and i can't you can't argue the fact that hollywood is a very left-leaning extremist thing when it comes to the creatives yes not necessarily there producers, no, no, no, but from the studio creators.

And I think that that is a thing in the same way that we talk all the time, anything too extreme in anything is bad. Yes, agree. And I think that if it was run by an extreme right, it would be awful. Extreme left, I think it's awful. I think that it needs to be, and you're talking years upon years upon years of being fixed and other people being, like anything else should be right in the middle.

But that's just not, it's just not realistic. Well, again, what we've said on the channel and on the show, we've advocated for the middle. And the middle is where you need to be. And look, you know, years ago, I, you know, when I first started the business with you, Christian started out and you gave me the chance here. There were times where I banged the drum really hard for representation.

The inherent implication for me was, I want representation in stuff that is good, right? And I think it got twisted into you want representation no matter what. And that's what we've seen, unfortunately, representation for representation's sake. And that hasn't worked out. And that has actually harmed representation, harmed the idea of having that in there. And that's what really needs to change. It has to make sense.

One of the things that I'm really enjoying about the Taylor Sheridan shows is that with Lioness and with Lambels and with other shows that they've done like Bass Reeves, you see that these are leads that are women, that are people of color. that but they're talking about stuff in the middle they make fun of the right and the left in all of their shows and i love that that's the new way forward that has to be the new way forward because look but it won't be that john but that's one that's that's that's had and one side one and you have to say well look people like that side so we must adjust these things and cater to more people and play the middle here and do do that you would think but that's i don't but i don't think that's going to happen because the things are like i said california and it's one of the reasons like i'd be

honest that we left is it's just there's it's such it's so extreme it's so extreme and and i think that anytime and california is very extreme in general i don't think they're i think you mean l a right because i mean orange county there's other places they're majority of i would say l a but i think the majority of california i mean it's a freaking it's a leans blue yeah it's fair and it's like and and this and it's it's a matter of any and this is this has nothing to do with anything except in this i don't I don't want, and I, there's places in here in the United States that are so far on the other side that I want no, I want nowhere neat. I hate extremism. I hate it. I hate it from everything. I'm not just talking about politics. I'm talking about anything. I'm talking about when it comes to Star Wars opinions. Like I can't, I hate extremism. I cannot stand it. And right now, I believe that that is one of the things that is hurting Hollywood. I really do. I think that you look, look at here. Here's a perfect example. Look at Moana 2. Moana 2 is a movie that it just, whether you like the movie or not, you look at a Moana 1 to Moana 2.

That is it. It's all about culture. It's about anything. And it's done organically and in a way that I felt, I felt welcomed. I felt like I was inviting. It didn't feel like anything except like, oh, this is a story that we want to tell. Right. And that is the reason why it did as good as it did.

Okay. It's the one time I'll tell also with Wicked. Cynthia Revo gets cast as, wicked witch, I don't see anybody complaining that she's black because she's wearing green and the whole point is not being accepted, right? It's fitting. It works. It works. So I don't understand sometimes when it's like a, you look at it and you just got to say, you got to feel sometimes. And like I said, Lucasfilm is so guilty of this. I mean, you look at the acolyte is a perfect example. Come on. I mean, come on. It's a perfect example of just like, we are just going to go as

extreme as we can. I said, and I've said this point before. Yeah. You can do that, but make it for $40 million. Don't make it for $2.30. Right, right. And you look at, a, look at Gladiator, too, by extension, right? I mean, Denzel Washington, you have a, you have a black man proudly marching through the Coliseums of Rome, and he is, I want to spoiler, but like, he is one thing at one moment. Can I tell you something real quick? Can I, sorry, I have to point out a complete moron. All right. Okay. So this whole time I'm talking about extreme stuff and so so idiot face magoo i think is his name says so i guess christian is on the extreme left what the fuck are you talking about i literally just said i hate both extremes i can't it's the reason

i fucking left california you moron is because it's too extreme left i couldn't stand it and so i mean that's got to be just an idiot telling jokes and if he's like i'm just fucking around i'm kidding then then i apologize but if you were serious then you need to stick your head up your asshole and go oh look i can smell my own face because that's that's that's who's who's who's i'm just who you're you are you're an idiot face you're an idiot face you're an idiot you get to criticize the fans but you get mad of me because it's my channel it's my channel all right fair point yeah but you're right

I mean this is the thing at the end of the day and I think that's where we both fit and that's why I love living here in San Diego it's a nice mixture of both things and people couldn't be nicer people couldn't be kinder in the way we interact with each other no matter what our political views are and I kind of like that I kind of live it so I'm with you I left LA because it was just getting too crazy and we want it out

now we're in a better place which is more of a mixture and so yeah us right now this is what works and who knows maybe another move down the road is you know going to the midwest somewhere or going back to the east coast okay we will see but you're right romeo said he was not saying that to me so he was saying it to somebody who was accusing me at being on the extreme right so i didn't see that either so anybody saying it was extreme right also stick your head up your own asshole and smotherface so sorry i mean you write about gladiator too you write about molana too these are diverse casts you know and someone on fox news

stupidly said that ariana grotto was a latino she's not know she's not she's italian she's white so it's like yeah so dumb so it's like you've got the mixture here going throughout these movies and look they're successful in 420 million dollars in one month the box office that tells you people want good stories you cast the right people for the right and you can still make a commentary with cynthia rivo but you put it in a good movie so that it can be consumed in a in a good way so these are the things that are important diversity and good product and it's important to have that in anything you're putting out But you know what I need, though?

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How many people in the chat have signed up to AG1 and signed up to VIA? Please tell me. Let me know. Yeah, John, I think there's more people. Yeah. I think now people, this is the reason why I don't address the chat. Because you asked, why? Because you said, why do you get to address the chat? Because I find myself when I do that.

First of all, I yelled at Ramon and he didn't even do anything. He was talking to someone. That's part one. So this is a little conversation. Part two is and I saw someone else. Now they're just, now they're just going like this, poking. So, excuse me. Someone goes, why don't you, why don't you review skeleton crew ready?

It says a lot. It's like, because you can't even review it. Yeah, doesn't come out. Not a lot of review until 2 PMPT, man. Did you just get to the show? Yeah, I think so. So it's like, that's why. But there are a lot of questions that came in and you started off big, man.

You almost took it last week, man. You almost, oh, you almost took it. Yeah, you so the other shows, Brett didn't do it. Nobody had it. Nobody did it. But Coy and Winston, I wasn't here on Friday and they took over the show and they'd started off slow. I was like, yeah, John's gonna win this.

And then they had a, they had a second half that just, uh, that did pretty well i think they hit like 90 something but right now you're at 28 before you even got to the questions so that's pretty good you're 28 already so it's a good way to start and although i tell you we got a lot you're gonna have some competition this week because tomorrow i got not only roxy but roxy and macougas coming in for a show tomorrow oh yeah and then wednesday um clark wolf and sam levine are going to be on the show well yeah they got their uh they got their movie coming that's right yeah they're kick starting on thursday step and i think either I don't know if Mike's backward.

If not Mike, then it'll be Brett and then Friday, of course, is Cape. So it's going to be, it's going to be an interesting. So what's the commonality there? Can we get the commonality? The two on one every day. I should only have to do half of what they do to qualify. It's what you're doing to me. Roxie's by herself.

It's right. No. She's usually by herself. No, yeah, but not this time. So, you know, it's a tough situation. I guess. And so, Watson, Roxie's never won. That's true.

But you're the outlaw. you're the old one you're the former you're the former two-time movie trivia schmodeon champion of the world all right i actually want me you and dan merle would win every week for god's sake you want to bring a second person in i'm glad you brought that up i have to reach out to dan because we have to do our um our annual oh yeah i don't know we're going to do a live though i think we're going to do a pre-tape okay so i don't think yeah for me because i got i like i like editing all that stuff and putting it all together and doing the you know all the pictures and stuff for the and it's a long show it's like a two-hour show where we talk about everything so i think that i got to get in touch with them

yeah but that's it so there are some other stories man there's tons of you know we mentioned uh you mentioned gladiator and how it was doing well and that was another one did you see that screen that screener also came in too i mean i granted we've seen it already but yeah it just came in um but there's going to be a third one okay there's going to be a third one really scott confirms it and so here is the story itself scott said there will be a gladiator three you better to start making this tomorrow. Wow. Ridley Scott's glad.

No, I said he should. Oh, okay. Ridley Scott's gladiator two was a costly production, a film coming in on a production budget of $250, and a marketing PA spend said to be just over $100 million. That means that the film has to earn over $600 to $700 million at the global box office to break even theatrically. At present, after two weekends domestically and three internationally,

the film now stands at $3.20. It ain't going to hit that $700. Wow, wow, wow. way. I mean, this is going to be a loss. I'm singing the same old song, John. Last week, Puck News, Scott Mendelson. Is that where you? Scott at, wait, Scott. This must this motherfucker. Scott is that puck? I didn't know that. It looks like. Yeah. Okay. Indicated that the sequel is tracking to end up with the gross of around 450. So if the film would be long from breaking even, but strong VOD and shaming would likely take it to the

black. Okay. That makes sense. Going by these franchise, uh, financials. There is obvious doubt over Scott doing a third film, but the director indicated a press conference just before the U.S. opening that he intends to continue forward and try to convince Paramount to Greenlight One. He says, uh, your mama's geeky. Given the performance in the rest of the world, we've seen yesterday, there's certainly going to be a Gliderator three. No word on what a potential third film would be about. Scott previously indicating in interviews, he had already begun the writing process of the film with over a dozen pages. is already written um tough one for me because okay I like this I like this

movie more than most right I think it is absolutely if you compare the two of them you can't the two the two first one is an Oscar winning brilliant character developed this is this next one is a big epic sword and sandals movie you see in the theater and shove popcorn in your face but I've still and I think that it was also probably greenlit during a time when people in the studios are still overspending. I don't know how you can say, again, to Ridley Scott, whoever it is, you can't say, all right, Ridley, look, we barely broke even with the numbers, but here's another $250 to go do

a third one. It's like, and plus what is it more? And who's going to be a gladiator this time? Yeah. Like the second time, it's like, okay, I get it. It turned out that the kid is ultimately got to walk in the footstep of of maximus and do that okay a third time i'm going to start to go who's now now is grandkid is a gladiator and like who how's that going to work um so i don't know i don't know what this what the story is but i'm if i'm if i'm paramount i'm going yeah you can do it but here's 150 million dollars to do it take it or leave it i kind of feel the issue with the the gladiator too for some people and what i've seen online and other people commenting to me personally is Like the Lucius connection, they felt it was like, why, why go that route?

Why not just tell a story of a new gladiator? And it's from the world of gladiator. And so you kind of already go in with the idea of what the approach is, but you're experiencing a new character with new motivations and new story to tell. That could be a lot of fun. So maybe this is the door that opens for a gladiator three. Now, listen, if you told Ridley Scott in 2000, the gladiator would become a fucking franchise, I think he'd have been like, get out of my room, you're a moron.

But the fact that this is actually possibly going to become an IP, this is insane to me. So if really wants to do this, I think the way to do it is to have no connection with Maximus, other than maybe a name you know or whatever are motivated by, but not have any familial connection to this. So it has to be its own story. I mean, hell, it could be a female gladiator, right? It could be a gladiator from another country who goes and becomes a part of this thing in Rome. What is the story they're telling? So there are possibilities that are more interesting if you don't go the route of it being connected somehow blood-wise or whatever to Maximus or Connie Nielsen's character.

I don't mind it being connected if it's not the same damn story again. It's like because it worked, the same story essentially worked again. Some people don't agree that it worked. People think that it was just the same. Right. Some people think it was the same movie again. And you do that a third time. However, without spoiling it.

the person that's left in charge at the end of the second movie, if you showed that person and how they were able to run the shop, make changes. Yeah, run the shop. And then are the gladiator games still a thing with that person running things? Are there new battles to be fought with that person running things? And, you know, if that person is there while the games are still happening how do they deal with it because we every time we see we always see a particular person that's

running the games you know it's always like the the the Joaquin phoenix or the or the two twins you know what what the games were also run by people who were legit leaders yeah and not lunatics so what's that look like so i think that i think there's stories that you can tell okay so well um but but i don't know but i don't i don't i don't know i don't know i'm not sure Sure. I disagree. You don't, you don't think that that could work at all? No, I just was putting my point of view. That's fair.

Your extreme left, and I don't like your point of view. Or, no, I'm, see, I was in Roxy said I would be an insult if I wasn't doing, if I wasn't doing these shows. So there you go. There's no one. She was kidding. No, she was joking. But it was, but it was hilarious. So it's like, that's what I mean.

You can't, you can't win. You can't win. You can't win. All right. We should not try to win. We should just be ourselves. 100% so let's see there's another oh you know speaking of things that could happen there's certain things that won't happen okay edward scissors hands too ain't happen don't thank god all right

well edward penis hands might still happen part two it might have been a part two you know you've seen ed or you ever seen edward penis hands no i have not i have nor do i seek to see it i will not do a reaction to that one um while beetle juice finally got a sequel after more than three decades filmmaker Tim Burton says don't expect the same treatment for some of his other legendary early work participating in a Q&A at the Marrakech International Film Festival. Marrakesh. Thank you. Whatever.

On Saturday, Burton threw out the possibility of a possible sequel to Edward Sizerhands, which starred Johnny Depp. While talk of Beetleju's sequel has been swirling since the 90s, there's never been a clamoring for Edward Sissorhands following up, despite the first film success many years ago. And it says there are certain films I don't want to make a sequel to. I don't want to make a sequel to that because I feel like it's a one-off thing. I didn't want to have a sequel for The Nightmare Before Christmas because it felt like a one-off thing.

Certain things are best left on their own. And for me, that's one of them. Burton last team with Depp on 2012 Dark Shadows, which was terrible. I didn't say that. Their eighth team up, which began with Cisorhands in 1990 and continuing through Ed Wood, Sleepy Hollow, Corpsepride, Charlie and the Chalka Factory, Sweeney Todd and Alice in Wonderland. As if he sees another collaboration in the future, he says he seems that there will be. Well, I'm sure there will be. I've never feel like, oh, I'm going to use this and that actor. It usually has to be based on the project

I'm working on. That's what the film is all about. And it's a collaboration and bouncing ideas all the people around. Jim Burton's Beatles. Speedles is open to the second biggest opening, September debut of all time with 110 million domestically and ultimately grossed more than $450 million at the global box office. That is a great. answer by the legendary timbert yeah yeah you got to know what can be what can be expanded upon and what can't and there is a authenticity to stuff that doesn't get a sequel doesn't get a second or a prequel or a spinoff it is what it is and people can put that in the ground and enjoy that and so you got to know that as a filmmaker and i'm glad that tim knows that about his own work you know there was so another story

to tell bitter juice had a phone with it i personally didn't think the film was that great but i'm glad it did well for everybody involved with scissors hands what's there to tell like you you it's it's a very self-contained story and there's no need to expand upon it more so i think it's smart i do too i think it's and it also shows he's got integrity right it's like he's like i don't i don't want to do it sequel to that now if he does one you know where the answer is going to be oh i was i said wait i that was that was then now i there is an idea for it and and he came to me yeah it came to you in the in the form of a big check yeah so you're not no one's gonna no one's gonna take you seriously if you got to not make that movie now because yeah because even if he has an idea for it

that is legit you've said you never do it so you get stick to that i absolutely no one's running in to do anything with that yet no no and i think he's his answer was probably the same thing he's like never say never because he he answered it very smart he's loyal it's a friend of his obviously but he's also not saying like oh yeah he didn't address anything that happened he didn't address a lot of stuff he's like i never say what i'm which actor i'm going to do but i'm sure it'll happen he's still saying that that's his friend so it's a possibility and i don't think anybody should be shaking if he's going oh he said he'll work with johnny tap it's like it's his friend and it's a guy that you know he clearly would probably want to do something

with down the line so i i thought all the way around he handled that river well I agree yeah um all right let's talk about this one and then we can get to the questions i think in a second okay um james gunn is out there talking about a lot of different things and he's got creature commandos coming up right around the corner and well you know i'm trying to think should we even well i don't want to do that i was going to say because a skeleton there is to someone said the the skeleton grew i guess you can I'll bring this up. I'll bring this up. It's an article. I didn't write it.

It's an article. This is from Josh Wilding said there is first social media reactions. Reveal what to expect from Disney Plus the latest Star Wars series. So the first two episodes of Star Wars Skeleton Group was screened. I guess it was screened in the UK. And that means we have the first reactions from fans, influencers, and a couple of critics. Right. So that's what they're doing now, right?

That's there's as overwhelmingly positive as you'd expect from this type of screening. However, we'd be remiss not to point out. that critics sent screeners of the first three episodes are not allowed to share reviews and reactions until 6 p.m., which is when the first two installments hit Disney. That means critics from the likes of the Holly reporter, right, yada, yada, yada, yada, the buzz surrounding skeleton crew is relatively minimal, something that likely wasn't helped by the mixed response to the Ackleight earlier this year. Then there's a fact that despite the show taking place around the same time as a Mandalorian, it looks like to be a standalone adventure with few ties to what's happening.

Still, judging by these early reactions, it sounds like a fun 80s amblin-inspired romp that we expect when it was first announced. Whether fans want Star Wars times Stranger Things remains to be seen, though it sounds that the series is aimed at a much younger audience. And so some of the things, someone named Phil Roberts says John Watt is a blast. The Skeleton Crew is a Blast series Everly captures the Spirit of the Goonies to deliver a fun kid-centric Star Wars adventure, energetic, fun story that expands a sandbox with lighthearted tone. Thomas Storai. First two episodes are a lot of fun. Series brings a refreshing perspective by expanding the Star Wars universe. Mark Newbold, he's going to love it, obviously.

Couldn't be happier with what I've seen of Star Wars. Okay. Nicholas Austin, the first two episodes of the Skeleton Crew are so much fun. I think 80s Amblin Adventure vibes. Yeah. So this, but I don't want to read all these, though, because this is exactly what, what I was talking about before. It's like, this is everybody invited to this.

this is what this is what they wanted them to do yes what they did so to at 6 p.m that's that's when i'll be looking at see i mean my goal is that i can try to knock out at least one or two of these to see to try to review something that's my goal um if not i'll have to have it up first thing in the morning tomorrow yeah so i mean but you disagree disagree with which part is the fact that you know all those people that i read are this is the new system isn't it like the studios put their stuff out in the theaters that's what's meant to be and then look i've seen the first three episodes i'm not going to comment on my feelings about it till 6 p m pt because i'm not allowed to but this the way it was shot i would have loved to have seen it in the theater some of those shots in the first three episodes

are really gorgeous and so the fact you're getting to see the first two episodes in the theater makes a lot of sense people coming out being positive about it makes a lot of sense because of the the way it's all laid out but this is absolutely what the studios want to do is get the people into certain areas, invite certain people. Warner Brothers have been doing that for years, invite certain people to get the first green who they know are going to say positive things because those people want to keep coming back to see these things and don't give a shit about the credibility,

and they'll go and see it and be positive. So these reactions, you've got to take them with a grain of salt because we don't know what the circumstances were, then being invited overall, and then we'll see when all the stuff starts coming out at SPMPT. Can I tell you, and I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think that all the studios have changed to essentially this idea of, don't invite the critics first, invite the influencers, invite everyone first. And my reaction to that and my opinion that is, I get it. I get it.

If I, look, as we always are talking about the business side of things. Yeah, yeah. That's free marketing, baby. Yeah. That's all that is. And it's like, why am I going to invite some guy with his holding his nose before he even walks in the theater because he works for a pristine, you know, trade? And I know what he's going to say. He looks at himself as a high, big, highfalutin critic and an intellectual.

Well, that's not who I want to watch this show. Exactly. I want the guy or girl with a million freaking followers on Instagram and to go of your point. I don't care how credible there are. They've got a million people. And now they're going to go see this and they're going to love it because they gave them free popcorn, shove the plushy in their face. And now they love it.

Look at this. Whoa. We saw a skeleton crew. It's like watching a Spielberg thing in the 80s. And then they, and the word gets out. People cover it. And that's what they, and that's what they do. It's to them.

And then they have to invite the critics and all they say, you guys come to this one, right before the movie, the show. comes out you you your embargo your embargo lifts an hour before this thing comes out that's when we you saw we we we gave you access and that's there you go it's not you don't need the critics anymore there you go there you go take it here's your scraps and well i mean i do think we need the critics i didn't say that but i i think that with the people think the people there's still this they don't that the studios don't need the critics anymore they really don't i mean in a certain aspect sure For awards, I think they do.

For awards they, but to sell their movies to get these types of things, they don't need critics for. But like, yes, of course, 100%. It's like, they're still like, hey, if so-and-so is certifying a rotten tomatoes, make sure that they see it. You know, this is a really, you've gotten that email of, hey, did you see the movie yet? If you'd like to, please submit your score to the, to Rotten Tomatoes. And so, they're not, let me take it back just a little bit. they're not needed in the way that they were needed years before they're not the end-all be-all right but this is all coming from like this is this is you could argue this is the jaws or star wars effect right like when

those movies came out and they were blockbusters it was everyone had to go see them so they could have the conversations with their friends about them everyone was talking about it so you had to be there so it's now kind of progressed to what we saw over the last couple of decades this idea of open night You got to be their opening night. The studios front rigged these films so that opening night was massive. They crowed about what they did on opening night, made this much opening weekend. So you had to go out and see it. And now we've progressed this idea, like even before opening night, even before it comes out,

we've got regular people who are their opening night to talk about it and drove the buzz and the force and all of the behind the film to come out and talk about it. And now they're doing it. And so the studios, this has been changing ever since. the birth of the blockbuster, it has been evolving step by step by step to where it is the regular people go to these movie theaters who are now driving the conversation, driving the narrative on a majority of these films because the majority of these films are not going to be up for awards or are going to be up for consideration for the big awards. And so that's what's happening

now. As you said earlier, Christian, some films have become so small. They're the ones that all the critics are looking for to nominate. But the bigger films have to be driven by something else other than the critics and it's clear now that they realize the studios do that it has to be regular people who are not critics that's that's right and i think that's more so what i meant where it comes to like smaller films and the ones that we were talking about earlier in the show you know the substance and things of that nature of course they need critics to get the word out they need people with they would love for influencers and people to go see that but they'd probably realize that their audience and going to give a crap about it right so it's not in general but

it's for stuff like this they don't need them they don't eat them for like it backfired for I figure which movie we were talking about but which one Joker to it back joker to it backfired beetle juice it worked for right yeah so you've got you've got more data that says it works than than it doesn't um they tried to do it with joker too just didn't it just didn't it didn't work um it's so it's just amazing that that movie ate the kind of crap that it ate because like I remember we were talking about that movie That trailer. A trailer is so good. Anyway, we're going to get to your questions.

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I mean, so as long as you've been doing this show, we've been talking about Rocket Money. It's true. Love Rock and Mike. Did you start watching Arcane yet, by the way? I have not. That's on the list here. I've got to finish off doing prophecy and all this. There's a lot going on. I know I'm not going to complain about anything when it comes to that stuff. I understand. All right. So, John, before we get into the questions, we've got tons of them. What are you working on this week?

Yeah, yeah, we got to, I'm Skeleton Crew is coming out this week. So I'll have my thoughts on it at 6 p.m. PT today. And then just a quick reaction. It won't be that long because we've got reviews for geek buddies and for Jedi Way. I've already booked. I've already booked those reviews this morning. We've recorded them tomorrow. So those will be out doing prophecy review in the morning tomorrow as well. Because I'm really enjoying that series, as Christian, as pointed out as well. And there'll be other stuff coming down this week with the hot mic with me and Jeff Snyder. And probably Winston and I jumping on to a spill the tequila. It's been a couple of weeks. So you can head on over to YouTube.com slash John Roka says.

So the Outlaw Nation, just type in that and come hang out with us and all the stuff we got going on there on the channel. It's going to be a lot of fun. So let me ask you when it comes to the Star Wars stuff too do you do you keep and I'm I'm asking a curiosity more than anything else too But do you keep the Jedi way thing going because of the skeleton crew shows and because of those stuff or do you because or are you seeing Success with that show? I'm not I'm just curious because I had stopped doing it since I just didn't think people cared anymore to do a weekly Star Wars show Well, it's only it's only it's biweekly. It's only every two weeks and it for us it's just fun to get together and talk about Star Wars and it's whatever the new is and there's always news popping off about Star Wars. Like, for example, everyone's crowing about John Boyega coming back. Hey, guess who told you John Boiega was coming back

a year ago? This guy right here on the hot mic, go back and find the episode. I remember all these people jumping up and down about John Boyega coming back. I told you that a year ago. Is he coming back? Is he coming back? Is that a guarantee? That's what the rumors are saying that these people are saying like all of a sudden they've discovered that John Boyega is coming back. I remember you and Snyder argued about it. He said it wasn't going to happen. Yeah, I remember. I remember a steak dinner just like you did I didn't bet you on that I didn't bet you on that no I know but I'm saying you bet me is take dinner Devin Woolery right I bet him mistake dinner on this

thing so yeah so you should just have you should cancel it out and have him take me to stay to stay dinner that's not a bad idea that's what you should do um all right let's get into this man because we got uh we got some stuff and starting I believe it started me confirmed that that's right yes it is the first one is from Hank Pym our good friend Hank Pym Iron Ant Man himself. Bronbreaker is a monster. Overall thoughts on Survivor Series and what do you think CM Punk's

favorite to Heyman is? So I saw clips and this is like, I just told you about everything that I don't have time to watch. And I certainly didn't have enough time to watch that on Thanksgiving. But I was checking in, right? And I looked at the moments and it seemed like, and you can tell me you watched it? You watched the whole thing?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I watched the end. So it seems like that moment when he's in the case, when CM Punk, first of all, when CM Punk comes to the, the cage and mushes what what's his face in the face was hilarious and great and seemed organic and they don't see moments like that anymore um and then there's the moment when he's in the cage with roman and roman puts his arm out holds him back and then he it's roman's time to go out scene punk goes right past him so it was so classic old school it was such a great old school moment that i was glad that

they did that but did it play that way throughout the how did it play yeah I thought for the men's side, I thought they did a great job with that finale, that last match. It was really well done and choreographed. It was weird to see pay-per-views on a three o'clock on a Saturday. Very, very strange, but I thought they led up to it really well. And the punk stuff with Heyman and with Raines is great because you don't know where he's going to go because you know punk has been a face in a heel. You know, Raines has been a face in the hill. You know Hayman has been a face on a heel.

So the fact that you're opening the door for all these different movements to happen. And just because they have a secret, it doesn't mean that Heyman's actually going to go with punk. So the fact that that's even up in the air, I think makes it all the more interesting for sure. I thought the woman's one was kind of half good and half terrible. It started out terrible and it got great as it went along. And Broadbreaker, yes. And Shinska Nakamura. Shout out to Nakamura getting the job done, which I'm really excited about.

Hopefully there's a good booking future for him as a champion again. So yeah, I thought it was good overall. Not great, but I thought it was a good paper. Okay. I mean, you know what I was if there wasn't all this you know, Ickiness surrounding about what he was involved in and what he wasn't bringing Brock Lesnar back. I know. The three of them really would have been great. Yeah. But yeah, it just, you just can't do that. Um, Armada. Would you all be interested in doing like a tier list

during a live show like ranking 2024 movies and or shows? Well, we're probably going to do it on a live show. But as I mentioned, we're probably going to, we're definitely going to, we're definitely going to do i mean if dan's available i mean we kind of made it like a holiday tradition now the three of us will be this will be our third year doing it i got i'm i'm gonna reach out to dan probably tomorrow because john already told me he's he's down to do it and uh and i and when i spoke to dan when we did our live show he said he was down to do it so i can't imagine he wouldn't be we just got to find the time to do it so um but it won't be live because it's just too much involved in it yeah yeah yeah yeah dan pops off in ways you guys don't even

I didn't clue about it. He starts screaming at John in the middle of the other. We've had to take out so many different screams and yells. I will tell you, I revisited, I did revisit the horseman reveal. It is the best. It's the best. I never, I don't go more than two or three months without rewatch. It's the best.

It's the best. It was the whole, I remember, like, creating that whole moment in my head. And I was sitting. I know exactly where I was sitting. when I found the music when you guys pop first. Yeah. And I found that music because I typed in like epic music. And I was on YouTube.

I was going through all these ones. And there was that one that hit. I was like, oh, that's great. And then I can see them as it quietes up in my head. I'm going, Andrew is going off doing something. Then the music cuts off. And then it does. And then we can get the four of them with the hoods there.

And then that music drops. And then, oh, we can play the shining. And the shine. Yeah. The only thing that was supposed to happen was that the red light and the fog was supposed to be clearer. Right, right. Because it's like a really long, like, darkness that happens before, like, the red line comes up. But it's still, it played really good.

I remember holding, if you listen to that pop that Dan gets when the, when the hood comes off, it's like something out of a wrestling event. It's like it was incredible. And it still gives me goosebumps. So the late to the party video, I still, we watched that because seeing Robert and that's a way act to real time. Well, that one's so good. be you can hear you can hear the crowd you can hear the crowd and the stuff that they're screaming there's one guy there's one guy screaming bring out dan merle bring out dan merle it's it's great and i remember

i remember one i wish there was a camera on me because i grabbed ellis's arms like this and i was going like this when the crowd was losing their mind and he's like because he knew he he knew how much i was looking forward to that to that moment of of it hitting and i was like because we rehearsed it in the beginning of the show you guys came you had your shorts on That's right. Jamie Rel. I'm almost 30. The plan is simple. Watch about 700 plus shows from the 50s to now and manage 50 movies each from 1922 now and beyond in my lifetime. Like I said, have a blast doing it. Jamie, if you are, I don't know if you're married. I don't know if you have kids. I have no idea. But if that's the goal without kids, well, your goal is going to change. If you're able to do that with kids, God bless you. you'll have to pay for food pay for sex and pay for anything else

if you really right this totally Jamie Ralph with shows I'm going backwards from 2020s to 1950s so as I age it'll be less shows 82 shows done almost 1,200 films watched lots of data management shoutouts to singing in the rain and nose ferratu yeah good good movies the movies for sure I mean look you talk about it now I wish I still did the shmowdown I'd find you oh yeah I'll be crushed Jamie Rell again Florence Pugh for the win oh man this idiot sends me a picture over the holiday and says what are you talking about the like the most gorgeous picture of Julia Roberts like you're like to turn me away gorgeous and mystic

gorgeous yes are you kidding me but dunk roca and JLo in Greece yeah I'd love to see that I would love you love J-lo I am not on board with this whole new J-Lo re-appreciation oh you know you wanted to you wanted to go away yeah yeah like J-Lo people weren't going to her concerts like a month ago now she's an unstoppable that people like oh let's re-appreciate her and now she's trying to play the rebel like the way this game works man you know how this game works they knock you down and then they want to see you get back up that's how it works and they fabricate these narratives and never existed for god's like so crazy uh you have 38 thus far john you got to

come on let's get to let's can you get to 80 we'll see Yeah, let's go. Why not? You can get a day. Right now, it's only an hour and 12 minutes in. You've done that. Come on. Come on.

Ian Davis, all of the highest grossing movies of the year are sequels. How does Nolan do what he does with original ideas and how can big studios learn from him? Create another Nolan. Good luck. It's talent. It's the idea he's built a brand. And he built a brand through Big IP. He built a brand through Batman.

Yeah. And then once you, look, Batman is a powerful, powerful thing. And if you make Batman as cool as that MF did, and you make Batman in that kind of realistic tone as he did and made the Dark Night, which is a classic, then you take a show. Then the next trick is to then say, okay, well, I did those movies. Now I'm going to do something interesting. From the mind of the guy who brought you the Dark Night, well, it better be good. And then you get Inception. And you get one of those things. You go, whoa, or you got the percent. stage and like whoa and then it's like well every time this guy puts a movie out you're going whoa that's not easy to do you got to find somebody you got to the way to do it is to find another director that's got the chops look look at like Ryan coogler right I think Ryan Coogler is a guy that

they said well look at what fruit felicitations look what he did with creed and now it's given like I want to see Ryan Coogler do more than Black Panther I want to say in the same way that like Matthew Vaughn is stuck in Kingsmanland It's like Matthew Vaughn was doing some cool stuff. Like, we're going to talking about the IP stuff here with X-Men and other things. But I want to see directors branch out and be able to do things. A little layer cake that Matthew Vaughn did, right? He's like, every freaking movie he does is associated with Kingsman.

It's like, I like the first Kingsman. Get away from that now. I think he's cooked. I think he's done. I think he's done. Yeah, I think he's done. You said the same thing about J-Lo. Well, you know, she's not the star of that movie.

It's the kid. The thing I look at is, and I agree with you, Christian, but I also think the people who make in this comment, the fans have to take some responsibility for this as well. You all can create the next knoll in yourselves by going en masse to a filmmaker's movie and elevating the visibility of the movie. It's always like, why aren't studios doing this?

Why aren't you all going out to go? Why isn't the substance making $250 million? Why isn't ANORA a $500 million film? Like these are these things that you're like, These are there are great films that are out there, but people aren't going in the same. Well, well, let me push back. You said is correct. Wait.

You credit real quick. Okay. Batman thing is absolutely right. Shannon. Sorry, Christian. And that's what separates Nolan from a lot of filmmakers. He was able to establish himself in the geek world and bring that audience with him out of trust into these interesting, different and challenging films like interstellar, like

Inception, to a lesser degree Dunkirk. but certainly tenant and Oppenheimer. So yeah, I think that's the difference there. I agree with all that. What I would push back on is the fact that like, you know, when you say, well, you know, you guys got to make it happen and go see an aura and go see substance. Most people don't know those movies exist.

Most, I'm right. And that's not on them. That's on the marketing side of it. What I always find. I disagree with you on that. You've got to go out and look for this stuff. You can just wait for the studios to come in the knee in front of you. This is what you do, though.

You live in the movie world. You look at this stuff. I do. You know, the person who's working on Wall Street, walking through, is not searching for a Nora. They're going and they're going, oh, there's a bad. What's that? I'm going to take my wife to go see Wicked. I'm going to take my, I want to say that that came out.

We saw the Broadway player. We're going to go see the movie. And because they see a big marketing thing for it. So it sticks in their minds. Marketing is everything. And it's, I never understood. And I loved and there might be a very good answer for this. I just don't know it of why like sometimes you get a movie that costs

$50 million in the marketing is so small on it. It's like if you're going to spend like you know what? If you spent 30 million on it, okay studio put a hundred million marketing into that bad boy and get people out there to see the freaking thing and see if it works. Use an experiment to go see market the shit out of it of a small movie. Now it's some movies that people just don't want to see in the theater. because it's they're streaming like movies like movies like the substance and an aura are just not movies that are going to be big huge blockbuster everybody wants to see it's especially the substance

i mean that's like a it's a very weird cool movie but yeah but it's weird and it's like like my brother's an example i told us on the phone with him yesterday and i was like i'm watching this movie that i know that you would hate i just knew that you would hate it because it's just like it's it sounds interesting to him but it's just like he like he doesn't like movies like that with a kind of a darker tone and those things he likes to have like a little bit more of the what traditional movies are and that's why they do better but i don't know there's there's a lot of there's a lot of theories as to why they could work yeah but the small films look big fat greek wedding it was a five million dollar film and made three hundred and 70 something minute that's

not a marketing thing and so oh it sure was are you kidding me that happened there's wait wait wait wait wait are you kidding me that the marketer witch had a massive marketing budget it had a big marketing campaign she would do she was everywhere promoting that. Are you kidding? The big story. Didn't George Clooney find that movie? It was like, well, that's the thing. Yeah, of course. But George Clooney marketed it. George Clooney went out there and talked about it. And the difference between like the substance and Mike, and that. Tammy Moore. Yeah. But it's a family feel good movie as opposed to. Oh, I don't Yeah. So like that that example is a little is tougher because you've got, you know, you got the,

you got the powerhouse George Clooney at the time. At that time, one of the, one of the biggest movie stars in the world. So that's, yeah, that one, that one I'm not going to give you. Well, I'm just saying, but I'm saying that there are small movies that have come like Brer Witch that blew up. There's a, there's a history of it that didn't have these big marketing machines behind them. It's because people made the effort. I don't think people make the effort like they did in the past. And I think nowadays, people want to be catered to as opposed to making the effort, taking a chance, looking at these films. And that's why we don't see these independent films blow up as big as they should.

And, you know, people talk about medium, medium budget movies. Well, the fans have to go and see these media budget movies if they want to see medium budget movies. It's a debate to have down the line. It's because we can get into it forever. Chris Greener, not to bring down the room, but I want to say thank you for great shows.

And I need it right now as my stepdad passed on Saturday, and I'm totally lost. So, Chris, I'm so sorry for you loss. I am very, I guess, glad that John and I can, can bring you some smiles and some conversation here. Because look, it's very tough. And there's nothing you can never really say that's gonna make some, oh, I feel better now.

It's like the only thing that I can tell you is that like it is always there. The loss is always there. But it does get better, but it's always there. And you want it to be. You want it to be there because you don't, because it's like one of the people always realize like, you know, it never goes away.

And so that, when people used to say that to me when my brother passes and it never goes away. And my, and the same thing with your dad, John, you say you say good I don't want it to go away I don't want it just like you because even today I was on the way to drive in hearing there's a song that came on remind me my brother and I was like and you get that thing that pops in there for a second you go good because I just remember just said out I just had a moment with him right now you know I think vision captured that so well in that interaction with with Scarlett which one I think he says like

grief is grief is important it means you really love them right go through it and so that matters and and it does take time took me three years to get to a place where where I was happy about the time that I had rather than the time that I lost with my father. And so that will happen. But taking care of yourself, you know, watching us or watching whatever is going to take your mind off it or make you feel better about the world is going to help. But, you know, it takes time and it's going to come out of nowhere, this pain and this grief. Just ride through it.

That's the game, unfortunately. It's a passage of time, you know. Well said. Jason Crosby says, do you think with the current political climate and their hatred, of Hollywood for being quote unquote woke that we could potentially see a new form of the Hayes codes implemented what's the I don't I'm not as well the Hayes code is that's the old code from the I think the 30s and 20s and 30s I think where they were the government decided what kind of content could be put out in terms of adhering to a very very Christian or Catholic

point to be like couldn't show certain things you couldn't see you had only so many cuss words you can show certain situations. I mean, hell, anything is possible at this point. But I would hate to see it happen. But honestly, I wouldn't rule it out with the madness that's coming. Although I am seeing pushback, which is happy, which I'm happy. I think there are certain things that will be attempted. Yes.

To try to do. But I don't think you're going to, you're also talking about a very different time when that was implemented too, because the, I guess, hypocritical nature of that. is that the whole argument is that you should be able to say whatever you want to say on like x right and like there's someone's like hey how do you allow people to post that or do that as well we we try to do this but then yet that same one of people in the organization is saying well you can't put that on tv now you can't say that movies because it doesn't favor us that's not going to go very well um in the long run it but it's not to say that some things won't change and it would it was kind of the part of the conversation that we had before right i do And you said the same thing. I do think there's certain things inside of the Hollywood system that does need to change. I think there are certain ideals. And I think that you should also look at your box office receipts and go, well, that didn't work the way we wanted it to.

Maybe we should try to do this instead and do a balance of things as opposed to just one extreme. Yeah, agree. Yeah, agree. Shay Markel, the eight-minute Craven preview that Sony dropped this morning, do you guys think it'll help ticket sales or is it a bit of desperate move? move well it's definitely desperate move there's no doubt about it i haven't seen anybody yet in the comments that saw it i'm gonna go through it uh i haven't gotten a review of it so far i'm not going to watch it um right because i want to see it i want to see the movie and i don't and if it stinks i don't want to sit through it again right you know i mean i don't want to like oh my god that was

yeah it was already it's like i'll i'll show up eight minutes late um but it but i don't know i have no idea yet i do i think and even if it's great do i think it's going to help no I just don't do you think that's gonna help at all no I don't think so I think people are made their mind about that movie if people change it won't be like millions do you know what I'm saying it'll me maybe a few hundred right right right it's gonna be a couple like and even John even if it even if it's 10,000 yeah what does I really do what does that really do um Carlton Rudder London calling what's up Carl under or over 50% that Mufasa beats Wicked's opening weekend

seeing we live in time the night at an advanced screening it oh we live it's funny it's coming out there now that movie um i like that movie so i think that movie under the radar that movie i like that movie um mufossi will it beat opening weekend i think so people were tagging me by the way over the we say because i guess sonic in the opening weekend is is on par i said i think it's going to beat it overall i think it's got a better if if sonic wins opening weekend i'll be very surprised yeah but if it does okay let's see beat it for the entire run um and and look i'll leave my words if if it's coming i think that there's a difference now in 28 2019 when when lion king came out but i still think that the brand is powerful enough i still think lion king's going to beat sonic

yeah oh 100 percent and i think lion king is going to be to bufus i think mufus i think I think Mofaso is going to be to Moana too as well. I think people are very, the Lion King thing is massive. So I think people are going to see that. I do too. I think it's really going to. So I'm not, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

We'll see. I want to see what's that tracking happens. The next, oh, sorry, the nerd gen report. Hey, Christian, your show is great. Thank you. Roka, you're cool. Hey, Christian, if you needed any help with editing, I will gladly assess. I appreciate that.

Thank you. I like that one. It was good. Kiss my ass. Kiss my ass. Why? You're cool. Why you tell you kiss your ass? It was a nice. That was a nice. No, I'm, you know, I live long out of this earth to know the secondary compliment that's thrown in just so you don't cause any. I don't think that's, you can't win with you. No. No. The guy was being nice. You don't know. I do know. Because I wrote it. I pretend it was some other. As far as editing. Yeah, I was trying to help myself. out with that any uh no i don't need help with that any right now because a lot of the stuff is is live other things i'm doing plus my costs i'm still i'm still building but i appreciate the offer very much

you can you can help me at it if you think i'm cool help me at it for free well for free nice guy you really win in everybody over today mike joyce make your money come on christian i think you said you have family in tampa i do i'm on vacation with my family in the tampa bradenton area any restaurant recommendations are hidden gems uh it's hard for me to say i mean there was My brother is the one to talk to about that stuff. Like I can't, I remember certain places. I ate and said, that place was good, but I can't remember the name of them. I mean, if you like seafood, I mean, there's tons of great seafood places.

I don't have the great, the best. In Florida? What? Right, exactly. But there's some really good place. Yeah, some places I ate in St. P. And I don't remember the names of some of these places. If my brother was on the show, he probably had 50 different recommendations for you,

but I can't be. I'm not as helpful there, Mike. I'm sorry. Jason Crosby. I took both my kids to see Moana too yesterday. My four-year-old daughter loved it so much. She could barely stay in her seat. Made it well worth the cost to see her that happy.

And that was my point. I don't know if you and I, I don't know if we, we haven't discussed Moana too, right? Not yet. No, I haven't seen it. So basically what I said was like, when I saw my attitude reaction,

it was like, look, that you can tell that Lynn Manwell is missing from this thing. The songs were some of the best parts of Moana One. They are so forgettable. I don't remember anything. I wasn't humming anything at all. There were some of the songs. there's to say I want them to stop singing, get back to the plot.

So that was very noticeable. It's kind of a paint-by-number sequel, but I enjoyed it and I thought that it had heart. But I could tell that there's some of the audience that were going in to see that it's very similar to glad it here too, like that magic is not there in the way it was. But I can tell you that my seven-year-old in the same way that Jason's four-year-old loved it, right? And my seven-year-old is going to love it. I know it, for sure. And I think there's going to be tons of adults that really enjoy it.

But I do think overall that this one is going to hit harder with the young kids than it is with the first Moana hit with everybody. Right. It hit with everybody. I think that this one is going to hit more with the little ones. And that's why there's not a lot to take the little ones to see in the theater. There's just isn't. And so when you're like, oh, another movie that, and they can't see that.

I can't see that. Oh, wait a minute. Jason says, I can take my four-year-old to see Moana. I'm in. And Jason and a bunch of other people are. doing the same thing hence the big huge number that it has right right good point because uh yeah i mean it and and yeah and he's right you looked down i i i want to see i like i don't necessarily need to see it again yeah but if i do see it again it's because i want to see my seven-year-old like she turned

on a little preview yesterday and her eyes love she like i want to see that and i'm like okay i got to go because i couldn't take her into the city with me to see it so i got i want to go take her to see it and my wife wants to see it so yeah there you go she Shea Markell, maybe you and the old lady can be in the same place, but watch different things. I watch my taboo when my girlfriend watches reality TV. It's not that easy, Shea. It's not that easy. But the good news is that what I have done is I set up the upstairs now.

So my wife, if I'm watching something, she's like, I'm going to go upstairs. I go, fine, get the hell out of you. We'll do it. I'll watch my thing. And that's usually how it goes. But, yeah. But you seem with you, it's like, I got to watch something. and you go into the other room yeah this is the office is where i watch stuff yeah what you know

the door's closed so i can and i have headphones and i watch stuff but like you know i guess still got put in time with the lady so yeah that's right all right you're at 43 44 44 44 44 blake gilbert christ my man what's up blake i also love dune prophecy good it completely fits with the movies tone and visuals and frank herbert's books which i love yeah see i'm i'm i'm very much i was bummed as much as i was enjoying watching what i was watching last night Yeah. I'm not going to lie that part of me goes, oh, let me just pause it and watch a Dune prophecy right now and see where it goes. I don't know, no, I'll get to it. I'll get to it. But I was, I'm very intrigued in the story and I like I like where it's going.

Yeah. Are you all cut up? I'm catching up a third episode today. Today, okay. Mike Joyce, also any good theaters in the area to see Wicked. Yeah, go to downtown. There's a really good one downtown. I think like the IMAX or Regal that you'll, you'll find one for sure. You'll find. Yeah.

especially in i remember seeing i saw like when they first brought up this one theater in downtown tampa there was um what the hell was it it was a uh uh like this big avatar oh the screening that i went to which is which is great um okay let's say um next one this is from swan king okay hey christian ever thought about adding dan merle to the monday show give my man roca us some help he's playing a team sport all by himself thank you yep i mean look if you want me to add i can add roxy to the show on mondays too you know me do that but then she gets double bill well what i'm see you so this is what i this is the argument i would have against that okay your argument is that you're the only one really that has their own show just with me and you that's right

but my only cons i'm only ask you to consider the fact that i should only have to do half of what they do in order to qualify for victory let me think about me let me think about it let me think about it i don't have to do i just thought about it over half i just like i just i just thought about it no they should do they should if they do 100 i should need to do 60 that seems let me think about it again no okay all right all right so next next one is from pete parker 22 88 i don't show up on time anyway go ahead yeah go you don't you don't show up on time what do you want me to do that's why i said no Parker 2288 had a lot of fun with red one and I thought gladiator two was a huge disappointment oof the emperors and i would go with one of the emperors with an oof the other emperor i like and denzel

felt like uh like he was in a different movie um yeah is denzil's have fun man i dendzo was having fun but i but i can understand the criticism i i understand all the criticisms for gladiator sure i really do i really do i just what i don't understand is this one wanted it to be gladiator one I wanted to be the same movie. It's not what it was. It just wasn't that movie. It was if you didn't like what it was, I get it, but that's not what it was. Shea Markell says, I watched that eight minutes of Craven.

It felt like a three out of five, not bad. Well, that isn't a selling point. You know what I mean? Like, if it's like, if you're putting out eight minutes, it's got to feel like the next, it's got to feel like the biggest comic book movie ever. Yeah. And look, I mean, what, eight minutes? And you already had low expectations going in there.

yeah and the best it did was a three out of five that's not a good thing yeah it's not uh not that's not that's not good at all top dog rig at what point do sony realize these spider man movies aren't working whoever's calling the shots there he used to get sacked well it's rothman and and those guys but but they're making other moves with sony that are you know it's not like they're it's like where as i guess it always comes back to lucas film what is what is lucas film making besides Star Wars right nothing which is again criminal right why are you making original things like they make original things but but it's the only thing they're making and it's not working like it's these Spider-Man movies are not the only

movies that Sony is making so you can't you have to look at everything that Rothman is doing before you go hey you know as I've been calling for a new regime at Lucasfilm I'm not calling for a new regime but I don't but I do think that Sony needs to stop making these movies because they clearly are only doing it to keep the Spider-Man brand. Yeah, 100%. And the problem, again, is that people are going to, not madame, not Madame Webb, but certainly the most recent venom film went almost $400 million worldwide.

So that's not really a reason to stop. So it comes back to the public as well. Clearly, there's a lot of people who go see these films for whatever reason. Totally. Armada, do you all collect vinyl records? Yes. I think the answer is yes. I get, we definitely get sent these vinyl records for things also.

Like they got the Gladiator one. I'm sure you got that one too, which is great. But there's a, but I went and I actually bought an old doors one at this flea market out here, which is great. So I don't actively go, but I find myself buying them from time to time. I have like three record players. Yeah, I'm an occasional, like 180 gram and the stuff, like the Beatles stuff just came out. in mono on take on on record and so yeah i do occasionally dip my toe into the vinyl stuff certainly over cyber whatever it was black friday i bought three or four uh albums that i've been waiting

to buy that went down in price so yeah i mean i do collect but i'm not a collector in that way all right let's say next one here and where the hell is it oh you know what you know what doesn't happen is when you're looking on obs when you should be looking at streamer okay so jonathan Garcia my favorite s en story is when tegnino sold rb3 fake shoes and rb3 didn't know it until you tried to sell them i think about this at least once a month let's get rb3 back on some time i miss that guy you know he's he's promoting something so it's it's a possibility for sure but like um do you remember that story of course yeah the fake would they fake jordons or whatever they were hilarious no they were the they were the conier shoes right oh the kinei shoes that's right

It doesn't surprise me. I'm having RV3 on my channel on Wednesday night. We just locked that down this morning. He's going to be promoting his stuff. So Wednesday night, we're me and him, we're going to have a special Outlaw Nation show, which I haven't done in the year.

And so we're going to have fun time. Yeah, give me my best. I love Rby. I will. Absolutely. Javier Ardeno becomes a new member. Thank you. We've gotten quite a few now.

And Nerds Engage has made a bunch of people, but we did a live stream last week. That was really fun. So we're doing a lot of cool things on our memberships, too. So if you guys want to become a member, join up. Armada. Roxy and Roca debate this week. I don't know about this week, but we got to set it up.

We got to set it up soon. When's the season finale of Yellowstone? I don't know what season is next week, but Yellowstone, I think. That series ended three seasons ago, from what I understand. Whatever is going on now. Wow. I can't, we've got to have that debate. Saraba friend.

Christian, a couple weeks back, you mentioned Star Wars comics. We're in a good place. Have you seen Eckhart's Ladder, on stolen Star Wars fan art used in official comics. No, I haven't seen that. But I mean, I guess like from the writers and the crew that they have that are making the decisions over there. So what I meant, I don't know about that controversy. Do you know about that, John?

No, not a thing. I haven't heard that. No, I haven't heard that for sure. Okay. Next one. I'd be curious to learn a little more about that. Yeah, yeah. I thought that was a pretty good little conversation we had earlier in the show, John.

I thought so too. Why is there a problem? I'm just thinking about it. Roman Fedorak. Hey, gents, happy belated Thanksgiving. I saw Saturday night with the family. I love it in my top 10 of the year currently. It's a great movie. It's probably in my top 10 also. I agree. It's such a good movie. I don't know what anyone was talking about.

What people are not like him? Yeah, someone we know. Oh, said they didn't like it because they know what happens at the end. And I'm like, well, then no, go see Titanic. Who's that, Steph? Is that Jeff Snyder? No, it wasn't Snyder. come on someone we used to work with but i don't want to i don't want to out this person but come on

i couldn't believe it's just their opinion it's just their opinion who's their opinion come on tell us you're just saying you're just saying someone's opinion who didn't like the movie yeah i just didn't understand the logic of saying one of the things they didn't understand they didn't buy it they thought it was too slow and that they they know at the end i'll narrow it down is it's someone who does oscar's extensive oscar coverage yeah someone who hosts an oscar show with other people yeah so there's only there's one of three people and you already said no to say no to people I think we can guess I'm not trying to start any any nonsense no you just you just say you disagree with the person's taken I'll tell Perry why you don't agree with her or man's or

all right let's this is a movie I mean come on I've seen it you got Murray where's Murray where's Bill Murray there's Bill Murray uh Ralph Ralph holy hell the brutalist is the best film ever made people love this movie people love this movie it's I got to see it We got to see people love this movie. Hank Pim, personally, I hate reaction videos. Hey, come on, man. Don't understand why people enjoy watching people watch things or play games.

You guys enjoy watching reactions. I do. And I'll tell you, and also because, you know, it's funny because back, there's certain, there's, it depends. It depends. I like the reactions in the way. That's why I kind of, like, wanted to mold the way that I do them, especially when I do the movie ones, is that I like to put the little mystery science theater into it. I like to do the little analysis afterwards, too.

If it's a movie I've seen already, some people get mad when they're like, well, what are you talking over it? I've seen the movie and I'm giving like a commentary on it and that's, that's what it is for me when reacting. And I like to see people's actual reactions to certain moments and things. I don't, I don't like reactions like this. Huh? What?

Oh. Oh. No way! Like that, it's not real to me. And it's like, that's the stuff that I don't, I would much rather somebody like sitting in there going, oh, interesting. And then talk about it. afterwards so i do and it's why i like to have the back and forth and it's why i have sam

with me on to do the things that i've been doing um but i do i do i do like them to you john yeah i mean i occasionally like to watch people discovering songs for the first time i think that's fun thing to watch um and i agree with you when i do my reaction but by the way i will have a big reaction depending on a situation because i'm a naturally emotional person but i try and be authentic about that and not do them uh you know all the whole the old video which i know what christian's talking on And then I like to talk about what we just saw and analyze it as well. So, yeah, Christian and I have the same kind of point of view in that approach, for sure. I'll tell you what, it's not funny at all.

I love these three ladies that work down the hallway for me. I think they're sweet. I've talked to, I've said they remind me of the three fairies from Sleeping Beauty. They're wonderful people. Man, they blast the heat in this building. And it only goes to, it only goes to me and them. And like, I got, and like, it's, like I said, it's 29 degrees. I have the window open.

sweating bullets right now and I have to like I got to get I they cut me the freaking building here got me a portable air conditioning because it's so it's so damn hot in here with the lights I I'm I'm still I feel like I'm in Miami in August it is this is crazy I'm not trying to be sexes but it has been my experience that women need a lot more heat than men and so I'm not surprised that you're having older women too yes yeah Armada as Brett would say why don't you talk to these old broads for them haters christian given that dr egg yolk dice treat but have you do you watch dices instagram no he's got oh my god john it's the best you'll

you'll you'll spend hours on it you'll spend hours on it he walks up to people in the city and he's very self-aware that you know his time is as a big megastar is is not there though he walks up to people he's like okay you're the one that wanted the picture and like they have no idea who he is and like he was oh it's it's it's the best it's it's you have to it is absolutely the best uh johnny venerable best guess as to who is the villain in the mando movie the movie needs some juice when you consider there's a three plus year gap from season three in the film it does need i think they're going to make a new villain i think that they should bring in somebody who is you know pretty devastating i well it's probably

well they might even use thrawn yeah i would think that's my guess is that it's thrown although it wasn't the greatest rollout in the asoka series i think there's an opportunity to do something more under a different direction and so thron would be the answer in my mind yeah i think it'll be i think it should be thron if you want to keep building them up to like actually because he wasn't devastating in osoka yeah and you want to make him devastating what better way to do it than to do it inside of a movie you know so i think that yeah thron thron should be the one um currently at 47 john 40. Hey, all right. Not bad. Not bad start for the week. And EWalk says, I finally saw Smile 2,

and I was very impressed by Naomi Scott's performance. I'm glad to see that the aster's nominated her for best actress. I wish the Oscars would also give horror films a fair shake. I mean, yeah, the Oscars won't ever do that in the same way that they want for like very rarely fantasy and sci-fi and those things. I mean, Dune's probably going to get some love this year, but it's rare. And I did think I didn't love the smile two is okay I really like smile one smile two that was oh do you see smile two? No I did not no I haven't seen smile one I need you to see the second one for this this there's this thing that just

sucked me right out of the movie okay suck me right out of the movie it's like this interpret the dance and it just drove me nuts um but she was good she's really good and I think she's you talk about you talk about smoke show put her up against Florence Pugh any day No comment. I see no comment there. All right. That's what I thought. Go pal says happy football team victory from Monday,

Roka. How about them commanders? We needed the victory after three straight losses. We'll see what happens. Take the bye week and now we'll see how we come back after the biweek. Hopefully taking a few, most of those games in the back half of there as we go forward. Giants look good on Thanksgiving. Until they lost.

Top Dog, Rick, started watching Dark on Netflix. Oh, I love that. And I remember you loved it. You're right. I find myself seeking out foreign shows, movies like that, because I'm sick of everything in Hollywood being part of the culture war. Any suggestions? I mean, there's a lot of different things. You probably just have to kind of discover that way.

Dark I found, honestly, through the audience. And what's hilarious is now since I've been in the UAP kind of topic and community, it's funny how many, like, scientists and people out there say that if there's ever the most true, what time travel would be, it's, it's, it's, dark. Like that that one gets referenced the most. As far as pure science, and I see this video popping around like, oh, I love Back to the Future. It is the worst representation of time travel like ever. It makes no sense. I just had this whole conversation with, not about Back to the Future, but it's just about how little things in time, like how there are certain

events in the world that happened, that if they didn't happen the exact way, whether tragic or happy, right, didn't happen. You and I are not having the same conversation that we're having right now because conversations just change based on little things that happen like a conversation that you could have had like let's say did you get into an argument with your with your lady friend yesterday uh no no what if you did and what kind of mood would you be in today and would you been on time well you weren't on time today but it would you like but in general your mindset would have been different our conversation would have been different it's a different conversation just one little thing that happens and in back to the future all these different

things happen after Biff hits or gets hit by George that it changes the whole trajectory of what the McFlys are yet when Marty gets back it's the same exact moment when he jumps into no he jumps into the Delorean and goes at the pine tree is gone but yet he does the same exact thing he wouldn't it makes no sense whatsoever I love the movie it's one my favorite movies of all time but that that moment makes no sense dark however makes a lot of sense in the way that's that's a butterfly effect did that yeah butterfly does Well, Butterfly effect, the film with the... Butterfly effect does what I'm talking about.

And the same with, like, sliding doors. Gwana Paltrow kind of does that also. But that's just in general the way that I look at time and the way things work and just in general. But like when it comes to actual science and loopholes and things that you'd have to do with dark matter and those things, dark is the most fascinating that I've ever seen. Dark, dark is awesome.

I binge that whole damn thing. Have you ever seen that show, John? No, no. You talk about it all the time. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Wicked art. I love Fastbender as Magneto.

I know they want a fresh start, but he is a great actor and he brought more emotion to that character. Would you be opposed to seeing him come back in that role? I love you guys and keep up the great work. Well, thank you. We love you also. I'm very excited for people to see once your brilliant comic series of Capes and Cales is done, that everybody gets a chance to see that. And you can get access to all the issues if you go,

of your member or a patron. As far as Magnet, the only way I'd want to see him come back, John, is in the Avengers movie. Like one last time, I wouldn't want to see him come back in the new. I think in the same way that we wanted a fresh start with all the new DC characters, X-Men needs a whole new fresh start. I agree. Secret War is the only place to put him in.

And so anything out of that is, other than that, would just be weird. And look, they clearly were talking to Patrick's story about coming back, which is why I jumped into that situation with, in the, the, was it oh dr strange multiverse of madness so you look clearly there was conversations happening but this is the extent to which patrick strua wanted to come back and that was that so this is will be interesting see how they come back here in secret wars but i agree with you clean break completely start all over again we can handle it but and not only i agree we can not only can we handle it we need to because we need if you want this to go on for the next 10 to 20 years

like cast them young yeah wicked art i may be biased arcane season 1st and two are the best. Two's pretty damn good so far. I'm only two episodes in, but it's pretty awesome. And it's completing, it's continuing a wonderful story. It doesn't feel like, oh, we need to do a second season because the first one was popular. No, it's continuing exactly where they left off. And I think it's pretty great. Pete Parker 2288, I'm sure that she'll discuss it tomorrow. But Roxy is getting raked over the coals for her Lord of the Rings reaction. Those Theodan fans are coming for her heart. I got to talk to her about it. She always gets shit. what she does she but she said she she loved the lord of the rings movie she loves them and then i guess

what is it can you tell me what is it about about theodan that she's uh that she's saying does she not like theodan or something i don't know i haven't seen what she said what she said so i'm not always the biggest fan of those films so the fact i i know the i know the pain people people hate you if you don't like those lord of the rings books uh pete parker 2288 what's the most controversial smodown moment besides jane fonda um i see you're usually involved than most of them. Let's see. I'll tell you the one that pisses me off.

Well, go ahead. Okay. I like to you say controversial because that implies that I was in some way right. Because that's why it's controversial. Because I was effing right, but whatever. Well, no, it was always like there's always some kind of argument, whatever, too.

It was like so, so crazy. But I would say that the one, the controversial moment that annoyed me the most. Oh, yeah, go ahead. Was the one where those microphones in the early days of the live events were very, the headphones were very hard to hear the competitors i couldn't you couldn't hear the answers like and it's crucial to be able to hear them yeah because they're saying things and during the shire wholes versus team action right the the literally the i think it was that match where the horsemen came out it was right before that or right after that is that the g and carlo's yes so ben bateman

says john carlo um stanton when he means to say charlo esposito i couldn't hear him so i said what and then he changed it goes oh no no no esposito and then guys like no no no you heard it i'm like i'm like and then this whole thing it should have been wrong 100% right off the bat but because this whole big stink happens and i'll say because the shire was clearly won it was it i'm so glad that because the shirles didn't win that match that would have been the big freaking thing that was huge i'll give it a guy where he was i mean we were both we both were like yelling at each other in the dressing room afterwards like no you and god Oh, like face to face, like going like, like we were, it was, it was like not, not not to blows, but it was, it was bad.

You and Guy? Yeah, but I got emotional. Guy got angry with people out of nowhere and got in their face. Stop, stop, stop. Andrew Guy. We were both, stop. Are you sure we're talking to the right person? Stop it.

He and I were both heated. No, no, I'm not saying anybody was wrong. We're both. We're shocked. Heated with a contestant on this photo? So the point is that I give it a guy so, uh, I give, because we're both heated and I was like what and I and I didn't know him well enough I'm like what's this fucking guy going to do now he's going to ruin this whole moment now he's got

he's I'm going to I'm relying on him to to deliver this monologue and he's he is the whole it centers around him right to bring out the horseman it's centered around him and I told him I said like hey when when moral comes out you got to be scared because at first he was playing it like oh you know I'm like but you know you'd be scared and he got it inside of his head and he's like yeah That makes sense. I'll do that. And I'm like, so what's he going to do now? Because he's mad at me. He didn't do anything except what he was supposed to do.

He was a full on pro. And he crushed it. He was, he crushed it. He made that moment. He was as crucial to that moment as anybody. But that, but that stupid John Carlos Stanton thing was pretty controversial. How about you? What do you choose?

Well, I mean, the Jane Fonda thing was, was the big one with the spinning of the wheel and all that. I also think the David O. Selsnik one. I think that- David O. David or Russell. Sorry, David Russell. What the hell? David or Russell?

Yeah, those were the two. I mean, two biggest ones. But for me personally, Christian, and I'm going to say this, and I know might piss you off, but I was, I've still never recovered from the accusations of cheating that. Yeah. That may been lobbed at me. But that never went public. That was never public.

Yeah, but I'm going to make it public. And I just, I hated that. I made it public in the past. And what he did behind the scenes going to people, executives to try to get this whole. It was just ridiculous. And so people just took it way to, like, I know I took it seriously because I wanted to win. Yeah.

Like going to executives to try to claim there's some kind of bias. It's, it was went too far. And when it ended, it was time to end it because people were just involved in these conspiracy theories. People know in general is it. There's a reason why we don't do it anymore. Yeah. Well, good. Let's get in a much better headspace now, okay?

Can we? All right. All right. Evil John Madden. It's always funny watching. Roca on this show. He's so tame about social justice because on his show, he's like a 70s Black Panther for social justice. It's like he got notes from me, not to be crazy. No, no, not true at all. No, it's not the right show for it. You do understand. Talk about professional.

I understand to what show he's on. Yeah, exactly. It's not the right. If this was a political show, we'd be having a way different discussion. But the show, what we're talking about entertainment, there's a different point of view. And the subjects we talk about, don't lean them, don't lend themselves, to have those kinds of conversations. You do realize, right? You don't talk the same way to everybody. You yourself personally. Francisco Lopez, hey, guys, do you want to see a Burton,

Burton direct of Batman Beyond film with Michael Keaton back as Bruce Wayne? It'll do fine, but no. It would do fine, but no. Julius Wyatt, as a UGA fan, don't think we beat Texas Saturday. I don't think so either. Carson Beck has not looked good over the last few weeks, and though you've gotten some victories. His propensity for interceptions has been terrible.

so i yeah i don't think so either i think texas this is their year uh hook him horns me yes well no it's no still got a shot julius wyatt john if you do lord of the rings on cenofiles would you have guests no i don't think so we we've actually discussed that yesterday you know we have our new our new live episode that's up for people to watch but we discussed this idea of doing it as a summer season series which we've never done before and lord of the rings would probably be june july august because it's so much because we want to do the extent ones if we bring it a guest on that's a fucking six month thing so i don't think that makes sense because we go scene by scene through those movies not just overall thoughts seen by scene and that would take an

extremely amount of time with a guest so you know uh the nerd gen report let's go roka let's talk about that editing i just started watching your show with jeff i meant it with all sincerity okay you're cool okay uh take we tell you what edit some shorts send them dm me to dm me them and then we'll have a conversation. Clip Champ Razor. When we get a new X-Men post-Secer Wars, would you prefer they go with the core X-Men being in their 20s and 30s like 97 as teens?

I think like early 20s is what I would say. Yeah, I agree. Early twins are big. Swan King, with the success of Dune 1 and 2 and possibly prophecy, could Dune become bigger than Star Wars in the mainstream in the coming year? No, because even the money that it made wasn't Star Wars type of number.

It's kind of similar to what I was talking about with, like, the prophecy. It's got a different tone. It's got a darker tone in general. It doesn't have that kind of light overall thing. It's good, but it's not, I don't think it has a chance to stretch out to that. It's like Marvel, DC. I would love for it too, but I don't think so. I agree.

Evil John Madden, when are you going to have Dagnino on the show? If anybody can find him on the golf course, nobody's ever seen him. Nobody knows where he is. Grimber. Grim Bear, 13. I watched Terror Fire 3 over the break. What a fun new holiday movie. Art the Clown is a horror icon, and I love the growth of the filmmaker. People love, if you love horror, people seem to be loving those movies. I just, I just have no interest in them. Yeah. Same with you, right? There's something with a low budget, no marketing and blew up. Yeah, totally. Luke Skywanker.

Gotham Awards are tonight. Are you attending? Which one? No. What's, I don't know. No. I don't know No, I think the answers. No. Sorry. Luke Skywanker. Any thoughts on a complete unknown? Sounds great. I see it tomorrow. Do you really? Yeah, I'm seeing it tomorrow. Seeing it tomorrow. I don't know when I see it. Yeah, I'm excited about it. My uncle's going to go with me. He's a big Dylan fan. Oh, nice. Go pal. I totally felt like they pulled off Landfell's brother with Faramere showing up to take Baramere's place. So I guess, I don't know if they, I got to see, I got to see what they, I got to see what they, I got to see at Roxy with the whole thing you gotta find out screwface John John saying that Blair

witch didn't have huge marking opinion is kind of crazy yes he's crazy person that's one of the most memorable marketing campaigns that I can remember it was it was everywhere so I didn't that's why I told screw face that's why I said we can't face this 10 years old when that movie came out what is he talking and he still knows and yet he still knows doesn't remember anything I was there I was in my 20s I remember screw face and there was the only marketing they did was that this is a movie that was found footage it might true, maybe not, but they built from a groundswell of word of mouth. That's what built.

To get people in the theater, there was a marketing, but it was the groundswell of people who came to see it, and they're the ones who word of mouth that they use. So there's a marketing campaign that evolved as the film became more and more successful. So it wasn't like right off the bat, they knew exactly how to market this thing. It's a first found footage film of its time, and people didn't know if it was going to be successful or not. You were in your 20s doing the Blair Witch trials. All right. So here is the Chris Greiner. Thoughts on Ohio State fight and the terrible hit on Jacksonville quarterback.

I didn't see the fight. You didn't see the fight? Oh, yeah. It broke out because Michigan was trying to plant the flag on the OU-SU midfield. And people were punching. The police maced some of the players, which I think is way past the line. And it got really bad. They find them each $100,000 today, but they didn't kick out any of the players

from future games but it was it was ugly happened three times this week in north carolina north carolina state and florida state florida we got into it with uh they're on the field so people just getting people stop stop stop it yeah well look what we did we planted a flag because you hit 52 and that's the end of the show here today john you did it um all right so john real quick tell them where they can find you and then we can get the heck out of here yeah at the roca says on twitter instagram and tic tic ticot the outlaw nation on twitch i'll be doing more stuff on twitch for sure very soon a lot of games coming out be playing there on Twitch and come hang out with me there. And also my channel, YouTube.com slash John Roka says a lot going

on over there, as we said, dropping the skeleton crew stuff today. And then geek buddies, the Jedi way, hot mic, spill the tequila, all happening later on this week. So come and subscribe to the channel there. Thanks, Christian. Much love to everybody. Peace. See you guys next time. Thank you to John. Thank you, you guys. And as Julius says, Roxy basically called King Theodore and Wake League leader. Oh, I disagree with that. And then Pete Parker says, let's go Gators, plant that flag. Stop this. Yeah, McCougas is going to be back tomorrow with Roxy. And then Wednesday, we're going to have another show going on with,

I got a Clark and Sam most like. The only thing that's going to stop that is because I'm literally going to be shooting an interview here with Frank Rillo in just a second. So I might air that on Wednesday. I don't know yet. I have to talk to Clark and Sam. But nonetheless, we have a lot going on. I am going to be doing reviews of Skeleton Crew once I see it.

I'll be doing reviews of Creature Commandos. I will be doing an out of the theater of Complete Unreux. known that and more so thanks for joining me here today I really appreciate you we'll see you guys on the flip side make sure you get one of our wonderful sponsors it really does help the show out I really hope that you guys have been checking it out and understanding that you want to keep the show going that's how you do it you get yourself something especially for the holidays I gave you four great deals today I hope you check it out link is in the description thank you guys appreciate you and we'll see you on the flip side bye