The Kristian Harloff Show - MASSIVE!! Pentagon UFO Chief Shawn Kirkpatrick steps down! David Grusch shares NEW information!

Episode Date: November 14, 2023

Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow Welcome to another episode of UAP Tuesday with Kristian Harloff and Attack Peter! 🛸🎙️ On this show, we try to find the latest UFO news over the course of the week to discuss.In today's show, we discuss the recent news of Pentagon UFO Chief Shawn Kirpatrick stepping down and his intriguing comments as he exits. Is he truly acting in the public's best interest? 🤔 We also dive into the claim that David Grusch had an invitation to speak with AARo, which he has yet to respond to. What could this mean? 🧐 Do we believe it? Plus, we'll be analyzing the new interview with David Grusch, his claims on the Mussolini crash, and whether more people are starting to take this topic seriously. 🌍👽 Join us for an exciting and thought-provoking conversation, and don't forget to subscribe for more UAP Tuesday episodes! 🔔🚀 #ufo #uap #aaro #crash #reverseengineering 

What's up, everybody? Welcome back. It's UAP Tuesday. And I know I'm going to sound like a broken record here. But every time I say, I don't know if there's going to be anything to cover next week, the galaxy and the universe goes, you know what? Hey, here's a ton of stuff to cover. There's so much to cover this week. It's crazy. The amount of stuff that went down this week is out of control. So we talked about it last week, Dr. Sean Carpatrick, who is head of the government that's supposed to, the UFO program. He's the head of it. And we said, there's a lot of rumors saying he's going to step down.

Well, that is factual. He's now leaving. He's gone, leaving in the end of the month. But a lot of people say that was, you saw the writing on the wall forever. But the stuff that also came with that was that he had also said in this interview

with Politico, he said a couple of things. And from somebody who was going, I don't know, I don't understand what's going on with David Grush. And I don't know about this alien bodies. We have no proof of it. he's still singing that tune. However, he's also saying,

he sounds a little bit more like there's either alien life out there or there's a foreign entity out there as well. That might be causing this big ruckus that we're all talking about. Is that the truth? I don't know. Speaking of truth, he says Grush was invited to come talk to them. Well, there's some facts that says that's not true at all. Speaking of Grush, Grush had an interview. Grush talked a lot and has been talking a lot. And it seems as if stuff is coming. It really does feel like stuff is coming soon. This is, it's more and more and more. So Mark Riley not here today, but I got lucky. The great attack Peter is here. He was available. And he is in it, just like we are, guys.

We're going to start talking. We'll talk to him about what he thinks about this. And, and yeah, it just seems like everything's lining up. We'll get into it. But before we do, if you're brand new to the channel, you've ever been here before, hit that subscribe button. We are trying to get to 200,000 subscribers faster than we got to 100. So we hope that if you're brand new, you'll do exactly that. Make sure you comment, like, let's get into the conversation. Without any further ado, it's myself and it's attack Peter. Let's do it.

All right, everybody, welcome back to the show, UAP Tuesday. It's myself and my special guest today, the very talented artist himself, attack Peter. Peter is here, ladies and gentlemen. What's up, Pete? How's doing? What's up, buddy? You know, it's so funny. The headlines you were referring to that political one specifically, I won't get into the details. I'm sure you want to get into it. But generally speaking, like if you just read the tagline, I'm not going to even ask the question that they ask Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick-Pact should. But here's the answer. That's a great question. I love that question. That answer is like the perfect answer for you don't want to answer that question. in that second, three seconds to come up with a bullshit answer. Like he doesn't get that question everywhere he goes. I love that question. Wow. Yeah. And the question, of course, that Peter's bringing up is the fact that they're aliens.

I mean, that's what anybody in that position, that's the Thanksgiving question that guy gets. You know, when he goes home for family, of course they do. And that dude. And I was watching Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp show. And they were talking about him. And they really nailed it for this is just project. blue book all over again. What, what, what the, what is the AARO, what they, what they, what they're just, they're they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're exactly, they've been put

into place to basically say, no, no, no, don't look here, look over there. But the problem is today, more people are, when they tell them to look over there, they're looking straight down the freaking road. Dude, everything is like, everything is coming to get in a strange way. Someone was talking about, you know, art bells, you know, did you ever listen to art bell growing up, by the way? No. Riley brought him up last week and everybody kept commenting on it. So much fun. But he had this quote where he talks about the quickening where you know, you hit a certain point and then the updates, the news, the advancements start to happen faster and faster and faster. But the weird thing is, I think everything, like you said,

we're primed for it. I think the pandemic caused people to think a lot more about things. I think all the stuff with the election caused people to think more about things. And you got to, we were all sitting and watching the news so much that you started to get good at picking out when someone was being earnest and when someone was trying to blow smoke. And I think that's a huge advancement, like collectively as a species, we're all like, that doesn't sound right, you know. And I think on top of that, the fact that this topic has been pushed into the pop culture mainstream, it's different because there are so many trusted voices like on YouTube

where you've had years and years and years to build up a relationship with your audience, people know you're authentic, people know you're not just looking for views and clicks, you know. And so that many voices talking coherently and soundly about a topic, everyone just feels comfortable discussing it and asking real questions. And then when you answer that real question with, I love that question. Everyone knows you full of crap. You follow it.

But you know, it's funny you say that too, Peter, is that when you look at where we are today, as opposed to even if you look back, like if the internet was around during that, Roswell thing, I think it's a very different conversation during that time because the media went with what the military told them to do during that time. It was a balloon. That's it. It's a balloon. Okay, it's a balloon. Everybody said, okay, well, that's what it says in the newspaper. That's what it says there. And there's nobody else talking about it anywhere. You can't really see it. None of the major outlets, the major outlets that we, like we talked about with, whether it's CNN, MSNBC, Fox, like, they're never really, they're not,

covering this like in depth in the way that the internet is right um the internet is you can always find news stories and people who are covering this and it's one of those even the interview that david grush gives he's like i know that the government are watching videos like this because that's where people are getting the news from and when they put videos out in this topic the they're seeing the notice like for me i look for the UFO news on the internet because that's where i'm going to find it that's where i'm going to get all this stuff from because that's who's covering it Because even look at the way that, and it was very interesting, I think where was it? I remember which outlet I was watching, but they were talking about, like, look at like RFK,

who is running as an independent right now. And he is probably the highest, he has the highest amount of interest in an independent candidate since Ross Perrault in like 1992. Yet the major news outlets are not covering him right now, right? The major news, they're not, they're barely even covering him. it's not different from what's going on here when they say, don't cover that, don't cover that,

we don't want you to cover that. It's the same thing here, but you can't get away from the internet. And that's why I think it would be so different if the internet was around back in like the 40s and the 50s. Not only that. I mean, you know,

it's such a great point. The first, I think if you Google first Roswell article, it's the Roswell Daily record that was, I believe like, July 5th or 6th, 1947, right? July 9th. And it says,

RAAF captures flying saucer on ranch in Roswell region. Then they had to like go and backtrack and then put up the thing. Oh, weather balloon. But yeah, like imagine that was on the internet. Yeah. And there was the pictures or whatever and all the discussion in the 24 hour news cycle just with that one article for them to then flip it. They couldn't have backtracked this fast.

They couldn't have backtracked it as fast. And that because especially there's just two, they would have had people out. there with their phones and everything at that point. So it was a very, very different situation and it's becoming harder and harder for them to, to say, look over there. And it's also, it just shows you people who have been following this and are part of the community as they're coming, whether it's people who've been in the community for a long time, people newer like myself and who are they, people realize how big forever in history David Grush is going to be. And one of the

things too is that he really blew the lid off of this thing because he had because if you look since that that kind of cockamamie nonsense of the reporter trying to go after him for his PTSD a legit reporter too dude Ken Clippenstein like it was crazy

and he still I didn't like the way Ken handled himself during that at all even even it's like okay you want to report that you want to do what you're going to do and you have you know and I thought he was much better on when he was on I think it was the hill or whatever he was on he rolled a dice dude he rolled a The way that he handled himself on Twitter was embarrassing.

Like he was like he was taunting the UFO community. He was taunting people. And that's like, come on, man, are you a reporter? Like what, what are you? And it's like when he was on the hill and they were kind of going after him, he carried himself like a reporter. But on Twitter he was a disaster. But that's a whole other conversation.

But since that thing of them trying to discredit him from using his PTSD of all things against him, which was gross, they can't, they can't. They don't have anything on them. Otherwise, they would have used it. And they're trying, like, they're doing this thing. And the reason I bring that up is because one of the things that Kirkpatrick said in this interview was, oh, well, we've reached out to Grush. And we reached out to Grush many, many times to come in since. And I've, and he also said something along the line that he hadn't been in con, he hadn't seen Grush in something like five years.

And then when I was watching both Corbell and Naps podcast, they're like, well, wait a minute. We, we know from a, we got confirmation. that they were in this private kind of panel together a year ago, a year ago together. So that was alive. The other side of it was that Grush says that he was never invited to go talk to the AARO. And then Nat followed up by like, look, you don't want to believe Grush? Then let's hear from his attorney, who is very, very highly esteemed. And let's see what they say.

Because as of right now, they're saying Grush was never invited. So something stinks. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like the only, it's almost like, you know, to our earlier point, the fact that we're all paying attention and able to comment on this and broadcast these notions, you know, widely is such a luxury because there's too many people who are good at detecting BS. And that thing, that's like, that's like a basic exercise of like, we invited you. You didn't get my text? I sent you a text. Oh, I didn't hit sense.

You know, it's like that kind of thing. And it's just everything is a play. You're absolutely right. It's a model they do for any kind of outsider, whether it's a political candidate or it's an influencer. It's anybody who doesn't tow the line first, you know, it's like that quote that's like first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win type of thing.

The problem is they ignored them and that was probably the best strategy at the time. And then they try to find something to diminish him. And if they had it, they would never have dropped it. it and everyone would have, everyone would have disassociated from him. Right. If there was something legit because everyone's, yeah. You look at what they did the same thing like Bob Lazar when Bob Lazar came out. Like there's still, there's still back and forth from a lot of people who don't necessarily know what to make a Bob Lazar.

And that was because they either did a really good job or Bob Lazar did, you know, a really good job of either convincing you that he might be a little out there or might or maybe he's telling the truth. It's like that because, again, at the time when that. that came out and again bringing up George Knapp who first interviewed him and bringing him to the public like that's what they essentially tried to do. Well, this guy, he never even worked there. And then it found that he did work there. He did go to college at where they said he didn't go to college. They were erasing his records and stuff.

They never post a retraction. There never is like a wide like, oh, whoops, you know, it's just so crazy to me. It's like that there's enough people who are invested. Yeah. in things being one way, despite, you know, our collective understanding of the world and how it works around us, you know. But it's more, it really is more, it's as the more more I do this show, it really just is about awareness. And it's as, as more people start to go, wait, why does everyone keep talking about UAPs? Why people keep talking about UFOs?

Is this like potentially really? What? Yes. That's still people still are still doing the way. What? Because there's, once more reporting comes out. And once more things come out that people go, well, I guess we can't ignore this one. We got to report on this story.

Like even the big networks, like even if it was buried towards the back, they still put the hearing on the shows because it was that big of a story that they had to. And therefore spreading it to go and, oh, I saw there's a woman that I followed that does like tech stuff. And she was talking about it. And at the end, she kind of like disregarded it. And I was like, I feel like that's because you don't have all of the information of really. what's going on right now. And as that starts to come out and the more stuff drops, like you look at what,

and as you said it before, it's like this connected thread when you hear it from not just like one person, two people, but like when it comes to like 15, 20, 30 people who are all saying now that there's major, major news that's going to be huge coming in, in 2024, whether it is Corbell, James Fox, Burchett was,

I think Burchett said, Maybe Bichette didn't say it, but Grush, there are people, it was Lou Alizando, definitely said it for sure. Russ Colhart said it as well, like, too. It's like these things keep dropping where there's, and it's one of the reasons probably that Carpatrick's like, all right, I think, I think I'm going to go now. Yes, I thought that was a huge one. And, you know, it's, it's funny too because, look, let's just play it out. This whole thing is BS and it's like a scam. I don't know what the point is.

Let's say to sell books and get people watching your videos, right? dude if they put a date on something and they say this next year something a lot of stuff's going to happen there's a lot of people who are going to have a lot of angry you know disenfranchised viewers and listeners there's one thing you know that you sent me you sent me a bunch of articles it's actually the last thing that you sent me or i believe or like one of the last things on the tamron hall show oh yeah yeah yeah yeah you know i don't want to jump the gun if you're going to get there but it is an example of how much everything has changed. Yeah.

Because that is a mainstream show to a mainstream audience of casual views. In the daytime. Daytime. And it was treated respectfully like just another topic. And dude, I've noticed that. You know, because like I said, I've been paying attention to this for such a long time. The tone has changed so much on everything.

But to the point where it's always like this boiling frogs approach, there's never like an announcement like, Hey, guys, as an entertainment company, we've decided that this needs to be taken seriously. So going forward, we're going to, no, there's never like that. It's like it all, of course, we're always the talking. We love talking about this. It's interesting. It's normal.

It's normal to talk about. And then the last thing the guy says, we might be surprised about how they look and we might be grossed out. What the fuck? I know. Look, I'm telling you, man, there's going to be so. It's like a district nine, Neil Blomkamp segment is what that show felt like. It absolutely did. And you know, the thing is.

that and Grush says it in the interview as well, it's that the president, when the president of the United States comes out and says, we're doing a, we're doing a press conference here. And basically gives, I've been informed that this, this, this, and we are not alone.

And that's, that's when the world just goes, the record scratch. That's, that's, he, Grush said it as much. Like, it's got to be, it's got to come from the president. Now that the other thing that crush did say inside of that interview that we've heard

beforehand to the new interview. I will link in the description of this video as well. But he also talked about how we've we've talked about this many times, Peter, you and I just through text about the that everyone's always like, well, the government couldn't keep these secrets. Well, first of all, they wanted to they could, but that's not the, that's not the first, that's not where who's apparently even been funding this for all these years is these private companies that have been doing this and through through the 40s and all that. And that's exactly what Grush has confirmed and who's been funding the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the reverse engineering programs and all of that.

Like, that stuff is fascinating, but I do, I do want to get to this article that we're going to start with because we're just going to, we have so much, like I said, there's just so much to talk about. This is from Politico,

which again, is a really good step that Politico is, is covering it. And you got, are aliens real? We asked the Pentagon's outgoing UFO chief. And as Peter said, the quote is,

that's a great question. I love that question. It's like, it's like he's trying to let, it's like demeaning it. And that kind of, but like, as I think Peter said, great, it's bullshit. And Sean Kerpatrick is not done talking about UFOs for nearly 18 months. He's been the head of the Pentagon's fledgling office tasked with investigating what the government calls unidentified anomalous phenomenon, which military pilots have increasingly reportedly seen in the skies. Patrick set up an entire system for collecting data,

weighted through hundreds of reported UFO sightings, and batted down whistleblower claims that the government covered up a program to reverse engineer alien craft. And don't forget the Chinese spy balloon episode. In an interview with Political Magazine, he talked to us about why he's stepping down in December and how he sought to institutionalize the solution for getting at the heart of these anomalies. The Pentagon has a real interest in deciphering the sharp rise in unidentified,

craft spotted by military pilots. If they're not aliens, they could be foreign adversaries posing incredibly new threats. Patrick was perhaps the perfect person to lead what's formerly known as the Defense Department's All-Demain Anomily Resolution Office, which was established in July of 2022. A physicist who spent decades working in the defense intelligence arena,

he's open to the possibility that we're not alone in the universe, having co-authored a hotly debated paper about alien motherships. Now, I'm jumping right into that before I even finished. Because people talk about Avi Loeb and they're like, ah, that guy again. He said he found a spaceship here. He said he found minerals here from another planet. He's convinced that this guy wrote a paper with the head of the, I mean, with the head of the department of the company, the freaking government's running a UFO program. And it's like, wait a minute.

And then they asked him in this interview, Peter, if he regretted it. and then he said, and he kind of threw Albi Loeb under the bus. He's like, well, that was leaked. And they said, well,

he wasn't leaked. They said it in an interview. Like, it wasn't leaked. Avilo posted it. He's like, oh, he leaked it.

And it's like, he's throwing him under the bus. They leaked it. Like, I don't think that he did. I think that he put it out there. He said, okay,

this is what we're working on here. And Carpatrick and him worked on it. Capacrick knows way more than he's leading on to if he's writing papers like that. Dude, you could just fill in the gaps. Like, this thing plays out like a story when you're reading it you know and it's like you can just see I forget his name now it's on the tip of my tongue but the the man who was in charge from

with Project Blue Book who came in as a skeptic and then left it's like the same thing all over again like this guy's probably seen enough stuff now right to go okay I need to get out of this like this is going to be a firing range or they're going to put me out to dry you know what I mean like he's gonna be hung out there right and so let me just get out before it's too late but he's not denying anything and any of those answers you notice that like it's like it's almost like he kind of he kind of does once and he kind of says that they still don't have like kind of proof that there's reverse engineering and you're thinking of alan heinick by the way alan heinek that's it um but yeah well that's what i'm saying but it's always like it's a broad question and then he brings and people

do this when they're trying to be evasive and they'll bring all the energy and the attention to one point that's slightly related and make it all about that so that we're not really thinking about the larger question anymore. It's a debate tactic. If you're watching the debates, you'll see, like, this is the thing that they do. And it's like we all sit. I used to grow up watching these. I mean, I grew up watching these things going, I'm stupid because I don't understand why they

just did that. And it clearly it looks like adults are talking. But it's not. It's intentionally like, like, like, vent to misdirect. Oh, of course. I mean, that's why I said this is pretty much like, you know, as I was listening to the weaponized podcast and they're 100% right that this is a this is project blue book all over again. That's all this is.

And you can't depend now that they do, they've heard names. The two of those guys are heard names or who they think is going to replace Carpatrick. That's going to be a big question, right? That's going to be, is it just going to be someone else who just kind of fits what they want to do? Or do they finally get somebody in there that you're like, wait a minute. Now this could actually change some stuff up because, look at someone like Grush. Grush was put in a position where he thought he was brought in there to do a job and

bring truth to the situation. And that's exactly what he tried to do. And then he was shut down. And then he was like, well, I'm not getting, every time I try to do something, I'm getting pushed back and I'm not able to do anything. I got to, I got to be a whistleblower. That's the only way I'm going to, I'm going to get this done here. And that's what essentially seems like is.

going to happen to most people who are running this shit show, if you will. Dude, I, I sympathize for that guy so much. Do you think you'd have the ball to do that? I think about that all the time, like, to up and everything, because you don't even, you can't even imagine what they would send after you if they wanted to, you know, and you're always going to be paranoid, like, you know what I mean? It's insane. I feel, I feel tremendously for that guy, but it's, it couldn't be a more perfect person

because he seems to be resilient enough to deal with all this kind of stuff, at least outwardly. and he's mellow about it. He's super, you know, respectable and they couldn't find anything on him. We're lucky. Very much so. And what I think that he's done is that as they asked him on this interview that he was on, they asked him about how many other whistleblowers. And there's just like, they're coming out of the woodwork now.

But what a lot of them, we talked about it last week on the show, a lot of them didn't want to come forward and talk to Kirkpatrick from the way that he behaved after Grush did that the testimony and this guy posts a LinkedIn post, basically crapping on him. That's not what you do. if it's like what you do in a situation like that, even if there's no, if you're not trying to discredit in,

which he clearly was, you don't do that. What you do is you go, well, these are certain claims that I have not heard just yet, but I would love to talk to Mr. Grush and my department is working on it. That's the only statement you make.

That's the only statement you make. But he puts this ridiculous, almost like he was drunk on Boone's farm or something, and he posted on LinkedIn, and for what? It was so unprofessional and so crazy that he did that. And that was another attempt to try to discredit because I guess the third attempt is saying, well, we invited him to come in and he's not coming in.

And it's like, and then Gresh's like they never did because there should be, there should be emails that prove that, right? Show us the email. Where's the email that that you guys sent to him to invite him? Where's that? Show us that. You know, you, to put it into context, that LinkedIn thing was so revealing to me. And I think if people are looking for evidence that something's afoot, it's, you're never going to find it in direct comments and quotes and photographs.

You're going to find it in how people behave as they're starting to be, feel the pressure, you know. And I can't ever think of a scenario where, you know, I don't know, you have some super unreasonable. person maybe like a former fan of the show and now you did you you shifted that statue behind you two inches and now they're never going to watch you again you would never spend time like really considering that person now if someone brought up and i've seen you do it like constructive criticism or a legit concern in the comments you answer them and you talk about it and you and it's it's like a reasonable thing like you'd have to think that at the highest levels of the government and people dealing with sensitive stuff like this, whether it's, you know,

NHI or just UAP or just foreign adversaries, whatever it is, the idea that you would go and do something like high school level. I'm linked in. That's what I'm trying to say. It's, it's like he freaked out. It's like in the moment he was like, yeah, I can't, you know what I mean? A little tantrum. It adds to what Rush said where people were really pissed off seeing his face on TV

because this is a guy that it's just very hard for them to stop this particular way of what he's been doing. It's just very hard. And it also encourages other people now to go, well, Grush has been protected and they've tried to knock him down a couple of times, but it's not working. So I would be, I would be encouraged if I was somebody who had the kind of information because there are people that clearly have way more information. people who told Grush, the stuff that they've seen, those are the ones that we really want to hear from at the hearing. The question is, what are the hearing is going to look like? Is there going to be another hearing now? Is it going to be approved?

Are these, everything as they start to get closer and closer and closer, whether it's the new head of the department, right? Whether it is the committee that has been rumored to be approved, there's another thing that says that Grush was now approved to get into that skiff that he was not approved at that one point. So what else comes there? Will there be another hearing that is approved? And if so, who's going to speak on that one? Will there be other whistleblowers? I mean, there's a lot of stuff that can potentially happen over the course of the next six months to a year.

Dude, there's a bunch of stuff scheduled for this month. Is there? What is it? Now I'm going to feel like an idiot. But yeah, I'll pull it up. I'll finish reading this article and you take a look. Go ahead, go ahead. All right, here we go.

All right. So Kirkpatrick continued on here. and he talked about, this was the actual interview itself. And they said, they edited a little bit, but the interviewer said, you've been on the job less than 18 months. Why are you leaving now? And Carpatrick says, when I took the job, I promised going in that I would do a year and then we would reevaluate.

I decided to stay on until towards the end of this year because there's a couple things I need to finish. One of those things that he's finishing is volume one of the historical review, which really encompasses all the interviews that I've come in to talk to us. and then laying that out as here's what's been able to prove true, here's what is not true, as a very thorough and objective research product. The legislative requirement for the historical report is not due until June of next year. I decided because of the desire for more transparency faster, we're doing a volume one, volume two, and that'll be delivered next year. Volume one covers everything up to about a month ago.

Volume two is going to be, is going to cover everything new since we've turned on the reporting button on the website, which is another big thing. they finally got the website up. It looks ridiculous, but you can report stuff there. And it's more for the, but you can't, but they can't report certain classified things. And he goes on to say, I deferred my retirement because I was asked to come do this. I set out those goals. It's been 18 months. I want to move on.

I have accomplished everything I was going to do, which is, again, such. I mean, what is this guy talking about? This is the height of it. You've accomplished everything you're going to do. Dude, this is, if you were really the head of this thing in a legitimate way where you were trying to find real answers, you don't bail now. Exactly. You don't bail now. You would stay, if nothing else for the potential limelight you're about to be thrust into.

Like if you were just a selfish person, you didn't care about that. You know you're about to be part of history. Yeah. Whether you prove it right or wrong. Both sides, if you can say no, this, I can, I have definitive evidence that this is all. BS and you're the guy that definitively proves it. You haven't done everything. You got scared out of your mind or you're getting so much.

His reputation, like people, I didn't know who Sean Capacic was until this. And now I think he's a quack. I think he's a guy who is, I think he's full of it. I think he's a liar. I think he's been doing intimidation. I think he's no different than those people, than the government people in the 1940s. And I think more people feel the same way about him.

And that's why he's going, I've had enough of this. I'm gone. So here is what's supposedly happening this month. Yeah. Actually, a big week, supposedly. So Sean Kirkpatrick will be answering audience questions on Wednesday, November 15th, which is tomorrow or Wednesday this week. That's this Wednesday. Yeah.

At the Haden Center, MV Hayden Center. I don't know. I'm not sure what that is, but UAP, the search for clarity. It's a live stream that will be broadcast on YouTube. YouTube.com slash at Hayden Center. Then, well, wait a minute. If anybody goes to that who watches this show and you're able to ask a question,

please ask the question, where is the factual evidence that you or your team invited David Grush to meet with you? Where is that factual evidence? And if so, will we see that? That's a good one. Then the second one is the ICIG-Skiff meeting with members of Congress. That's Thursday, November 16th.

Is that the one Grush is going to be in? I think that's the one, dude. That's November 16th. Yeah, Thursday. Good Lord. A lot of stuff's coming out this way. There's more. All right.

Then on the Soul Foundation conference at Stanford University, November 17th and 18th, featuring Carl Nell and Lou Elizondo, speaking among many others. It's invite only and videos of the talks will be released at a later date. Wow. But, dude, that's like a lot. It's a big week. It's a big week. And it's like there is more of this group that is pushing forward.

And it's not just a few people here now. It's starting to get. The army's getting bigger. And one of those people who was really in the front lines, we haven't really heard much about since last week is James Fox, right? Is there any updates what's going on with that guy? Oh. Nothing, right?

I did, I did shoot him with text. I didn't get anything back. But I wonder what a lot of these people are going through behind the scenes. Because you have to think that it's like you're trying to do death of a thousand paper cuts and just disenfranchised people little by little and make it really costly to go. out and do your thing. I wonder, but I also wonder if it was that whole Logan Paul thing that was going on, you know, with the footage and stuff too. I'm not caught up on that. Oh, oh, yes, yes, yes, where he was like paid for the footage or something. Well, so the short form of it is

we covered a little bit last week, but basically, um, when James Fox was on Joe Rogan show, he talked about this, the most, I guess, compelling UFO footage he's ever seen. And it's a, it's a guys, I think it's in Vegas or whatever it is, and they're driving, and it goes right above them. And they get clear as, clear as they're the most clear footage he says he's ever seen. Right. And he begged the guy to either sell it to him or release it, and the guy wouldn't do it. And he said he wouldn't do it no matter what. And he kind of threatened James or something, something in the lungs like if you even bring it up again. I can't remember what it was. And I forget who this guy exactly was. People in the comments will know.

So then he told Logan Paul about it. Logan Paul went out there and drove out there and offered the guy. I don't know if we offered him like $10,000. You're offering him a lot of money. You offered him money to basically, maybe $100,000. I can't remember. But he offered him money to buy it. And the guy's like, no, I'm buying it. And I don't know where the guy went,

but Logan Paul recorded the footage with his phone and got it on his phone. He talked about it on his podcast, that he has the footage. And apparently, the rumor is that Fox and Logan Paul were working together and they were going to release the footage and that this guy got wind of it. and is like bringing hell to try to like ruin James Fox's career. That is a complete, complete, there is no factual confirmation to that. That's just what that's just kind of what speculation has been. But I could see that being a thing if that was.

Yeah, especially if you can't talk about it. Like he's known for talking about everything. And suddenly he clamped up. It might be real legal stuff. Probably legal stuff. Yeah, it's probably really legal stuff. So that's the question. So who knows?

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controversy over the whistleblower testimony, the Chinese spy balloon or the website delay contributed to your decision to leave to which he says, no. They're just expected challenges. Those are expected challenges? Those are expected challenges. Regular challenges. Those are just expected you. Yeah, we expect. We expect whistleblowers come out all the time, websites that we were about to do.

We didn't even want to launch in the first place. We expected all that. The balloon is a very interesting case of the intensity in the U.S. government trying to understand the difference between knowing an anomalous thing, if you will, an unknown anomalous thing. Our job is harder than, hey, there's a Chinese spy balloon. You know what it is, what it's doing? That's not our job.

Our job is to understand the unknown and what it could be. What are the possibilities that threaten us and how do we get at it? the website controversy really is based in bureaucracy there's no other easier way to say it it took so long to get that up and running just because it's so hard to get something through the establishment where everybody has to be able to look at it

let me I have to stop this this is driving me crazy I am not part of the government and I don't run the government UFO program I put up a website that was better run than that website.

That website looks like it was made in 1993. And you could hire anybody to do a way better website and you could have launched it. It goes back to what we were just talking about, Peter, where it's like you go and it's like, okay, here's what we need to do, guys. We are under one of the biggest, biggest spotlights we've ever been on this topic. We need to get this site out there. We want to make it look really, really good. We want to make it look professional.

And we want and put all the effort into it. So when you go, they're like, wow. Like if you want to be taken seriously, instead, it's just like, I don't know, just get, what's Jerry doing? Jerry, unless you don't want it. Jerry hasn't been out of the room in three, in three years. He's, he's hammered. Yeah, well, when he sober's up, tell him to make a website. That's like, that's, it's, it's a joke.

Well, that's what they're using the alien time travel tech for. They go back to the 80s to find someone to design a website. Right. That's what they'll get. Right, because it's cheaper. So, you know, all that. And then they ask him more so about, you know, Gros and they ask him about the stuff with Avi Loeb and they ask him all that. And he just kind of maneuvers it and goes through.

But he does say that what I do want to get to this, what everybody's talking about inside of this article. Okay, well, first, let me touch on the Grush stuff. He says, David Grush is a unique instance in that he has refused to come and share any of that information. We still can't get him to come in. I've got five different people who've gone to talk to him to get him, to get him to come in. And the answers have always been, we're not clear to. It would jeopardize his whistleblower production to why can't we just get the information he shared from the IG? It's,

it's every excuse that I've heard, why not to come in. And that's been a challenge because now here we are about to put up volume one of the historical review, which I believe captures most of all the the people that he's spoken with. But I can't say that 100% because I can't hear what he thinks he has. If he has evidence, I need to know what that is. So clearly this guy can't be trusted because Even if crush did get reached out, he doesn't want to talk to him. But he says he was never invited in the first place. So believe what you were going to believe there. So let's see, I want to get to this question about do aliens exist?

Okay. So the reporter says, are aliens real? That is a great question. I love that question. Number one, the best thing that could come out of this job is to prove that alien, that there are aliens, right? Because if we don't prove that there are aliens, then what we're finding is evidence of other people doing stuff in our backyard. And that's not good.

Two, from a scientific perspective, the scientific community will agree that it is statistically invalid to believe that there is not life out in the universe as vast as the universe is in the number of galaxies and solar system and planets. That is part of NASA's mission to look for life. The probability, however, that there is life that is intelligent and it's found Earth and that it has come to Earth and is repeatedly crashed in the United States is not very probable. Why not?

Well, he doesn't give an example as far as why there. So part of what we're trying to do and part of what I will continue to do until I'm done is raised the level of the conversation. If you are talking with NASA or the European Space Agency and you're talking about looking for life in the universe, it is very objective, very scientifically sound discussion and discourse. As that

discussion gets closer to the solar system, somewhere around Mars, it turns into science fiction. And then as you even get closer to Earth and you cross into Earth's atmosphere, it becomes conspiracy theory. And then it goes on for a little bit more. But he doesn't. What he doesn't do, Peter, is talk about what Grush and many other people now are

talking about is the potential of the of the inner the fact that these things are bending time and space and they're not coming from galaxies away that's what grush says this is what a lot of different physicists have been talking about and the people that are other people who whether you i think stephen greer you know whatever you want to believe or not but he but these are what people are saying that it's it's but he doesn't even mention it whether you believe it or not is another conversation was it skipping ahead he skips ahead it No, we're skipping it because he's skipping, dude, I really think, if you asked me, gun to my head, what do you think's going on? Big picture.

I really think that it's gotten to the point where they need, they, you know, whoever's in charge of this information realizes that there's nothing left, but to come out with something, whether it's the whole story, a little piece of it, a version, whatever. Something has to happen in an official capacity that makes the people searching for answers satiated. and it makes the people who try to protect their, you know, property, I guess at this point, if you can have property that's from an extra another dimension, happy, right? So it seems like there's a slow calculated rollout again. I strongly encourage anybody who thinks that you just can't keep secrets like this. Well, number one, they aren't. There are people leaking stuff all the time.

But number two, if you consider only official channels, it's it's not something that our government hasn't done in the past and it's not something that corporations don't do you know like for as many leaks as there are let's say remember they kept grogoo a secret guys yeah for her I know it's true right you know like like it's possible yeah yeah Luke was just like dude in in in the middle of the pandemic where everyone's the internet 24 7 they kept that secret right so it is possible I mean isn't you know so it's just that there's a rollout happening I really think so I really do I think that that's why I think that tamron hall video yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah. It blew my mind because we're going to listen to that. We're going to listen to that in the second. Yeah. I want to get through the grush stuff. And then after we get through the grush stuff, I do because I agree with you.

Yeah. It's just a point is, again, to talk what he's doing in this particular incident, it feels like he's like saying, wait, wait, wait, wait, we're not there yet. Right. I get there. But right now we're doing this little bit of the show, which is it's probably either aliens or foreign adversaries. Like the fact that we're there is crazy. But it's if you do a slow rollout, it doesn't feel crazy. Hey, Patrick.

Yeah, yeah. Remember, shut your fucking ass. That's, that's him and his ear be like this like, one second. Okay, sure. Okay, yeah, right. That's right. Say that. Um, I see if the alien's real, it's a great question.

Say, love that question. I love that question, actually. It's great questions. It's so, it's so lame, dude. You know what it is? It's almost like, it's just lame. Like, it's not even the way I expect the cover up to happen anymore. Like, I want to see, like,

like badass men in black type or like senator saying, this guy's probably a Russian, you know, something like that. Like it's just so lame now. It's because you can smell it now. And because here's so here's a here's this is the stuff from Grush's interview that you just did. This is kind of a breakdown. Adair Mufunde did a breakdown of the on Twitter to breakdown of the breakdown of

the Grush interview. Which says in this transcript, David Grush, a whistleblower makes several claims about UFO, UAP related topics and he confirms that he and other whistleblowers have come forward with information about the U.S. government's possession of the UFO UAP craft. He suggests that the number of crafts is in the double digits but does not provide exact figures. He acknowledges the private corporations, including federally funded research and development centers, have been involved in reverse engineering programs related to these craft. Rush mentions that some whistleblowers have expressed

concerns about murders and disappearances related to maintaining UFOUAP secrecy. He also mentioned mentions personal instances of physical intimidation. He confirms he's been informed about crashes and the retrieval of both craft and biological material related to the UFO UFO incident. He suggests that the number of retrieved bodies is also in the double digits. Grush discusses the case of the Mussolini UFO crash in Italy, mentioning that he received briefings on U.S. involvement and recovery efforts. He also refers to the potential existence of documents related to this event in the Vatican's

Secret Archives. He mentions that other countries such as China also have their own UAP task forces and are engaged in similar activities to understand and potentially reverse engineer UFO UAP technologies. It's important to note that these are claims made by Grush and should be evaluated based on the available evidence and corroborating testimonies. So did you watch the interview with Grush? The one with the Italian gentleman? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not the whole thing, but I watched parts of it. That's pretty, I mean, they did a great job in summarizing.

Those are the major points that really was that really hit. And he this is why I'm saying that it feels like. And maybe it's me, but I, tell me if you feel the same way. When Grush first, he did the News Nation interview, he revealed some stuff. He went, whoa, what? And then he went in front of Congress. And everybody mainstream or, you know, people who are just looking into it for the first time, a casual person goes, yeah, but he said, I heard it from a guy.

I heard of a guy and they said they found bodies and that's it. Since then, he's done more interviews and I feel like every time he does an interview, he does like, oh yeah, take this. And now you can have this. And he, like, each time, I feel like he's getting clearance to say just a little bit more. You can say just a little bit more this time. And he did, like he went a little bit more in depth with the bodies thing. I remember he did an interview when they asked him.

He even asked him on Congress. like, well, as I said in my News Nation interview, I did this, and he was very kind of just quiet about it. He was a little bit more detailed. Am I, am I? No, I said the same thing. I said the same thing. And it almost feels like he's never going to be able to, I mean, without some kind of permission to, you know, really come out with stuff. So it seems like in every separate interview, he says an obscure thing that's kind of hazy in a different group, in a different part of the picture. And then if you're someone, like us who's watching a little bit of everything you're like i get it i got enough context now you know

i i think that's probably the case you know i and i and i wonder if what's what's really like sad is that like may if that really is what it takes to keep him from getting you know on the radar or in trouble with whoever then really dumb people i mean it's it's it's it's bizarre and how that's playing out i do like you said i'm so curious when you read that schedule out i'm so curious if that skiff like that's the one like this kerpatrick stuff is just it's like a comic con panel hearing the same stuff that you you've heard he's not going to give you anything he's not going to tell you he's and if you believe that he's the project blue book guy he's just going to try to as people are going there and ask him questions he's going to steer him in different directions so that that

that's not really to me anything of note that's happening the skiff on wednesday as you said that to me is like well what is that what who who is that like that's because i know that luna had posted something that they were that it was like kind of she was she was like frustrated because at one point she had announced that they were doing they were able to do something and then like five minutes later she wrote and now hearing they were not doing this so i wonder um because the other thing that we talked about was that when they put the new speaker when they remember that and i said this too and i and i and i always preface this by saying i am fully aware that it's not the only reason but you know that Burchett was one of the eight Republicans or whatever it was that voted McCarthy out.

McCarthy was also said no to the private committee, has apparently not too into the the UAP investigations and all that. So I bet you that didn't help with Burchett. And it seems like, and now that they've got, you know, with the new speaker, he's like, hey, listen, buddy, because he's a way higher ranking official, even than even the new speaker, the house was a nobody. kind of came into power. He said, look, I'm going to ask you a favor,

and I want you to do it for me. What did he say? Because you said you watched the full show with Corbell and Knapp. He had mentioned something about the speaker. Do you remember what he said in particular? No, I don't have it in the top of mind. But the overall takeaway I have, it was just that feeling where, you know,

they brought everybody in and to tell him a little bit of nothing and that he was frustrated, but that his big takeaway was what he considered a win, is that new people who were not normally in these meetings, his colleagues, right, got to see how much of, how much nothing is being shared with them. And that's what I noticed since that,

since that meeting, well, I've noticed when other congressmen talking about it is like, they're so, they're, like, they can't believe, like,

that they're being jerked around like this. And so it's almost like, this is the next important step that has to happen. and Burchett, even though he was going in for info, realizes that this is a win that he got, which is more people realizing we're all being jerked around. That's right. And so I,

I can't wait to see what happens. He says he fist bumped all these people as they left the room because they left clearly like, get the fuck out of here. And he's like, you said this before. You said this before when we were talking about Kirkpatrick, right? Like the BS of like,

oh, yeah, I feel like I did everything I had to do. It's like, wait a minute, the glory that you can get. Let's also make no mistake about it. for Chet is as much do I believe that he legit wants answers and that he and he is passionate about this? Of course I do. But do I also think that he wants to be the guy that brings their Red Sox, their first championships in 2018 or whatever was?

He retires tomorrow and he writes books until he dies. He goes and the guy who is responsible for he's the guy who's really leading the charge to prove that we're not alone in the universe. You will remember his name forever. Of course. None of us knew who he was. And suddenly he's like the guy I think about the most on the hill. It's like it's just the way it is, man. And you find you and Riley made a great point on the on an episode.

I guess it was like two weeks ago, more or less where you said he reminds me of how the government used to work in the sense that you would partner up with anyone to do good and no one to do evil. Right. So like, go out there and he'll talk about mouse quits and I'll go my buddy mouthquist. My buddy, Mascoitz. He doesn't, he doesn't make it, I mean, look, there are other political things that he does that he's very much right wing and he's very much.

Yes, it's important in today's day and age to remind people that you can agree with someone on something and not on everything else, right? Right, right, because he's not, he doesn't, he doesn't treat the other side like enemies. Now, there are certain times that he does. There's no doubt about it. But when he's referring to this, he realizes that you've got to be on the same side. And that's what he's doing that is, that is making sense. And I think that that's why you look at it.

And that's why, because like he said, AOC was in that meeting behind the closed doors. You know, he was in there, Luna was in there. Mouskowitz was in there. Like Schumer,

I think was in there. So like that's the stuff. Like what's coming next? And when it, when it like, like I mentioned earlier, it's going to get very real when Biden comes out and says, okay,

look, I've been briefed on this. And this is, this is a serious thing now that we that needs to come to the public yeah that's when people that that's when that's when less and less people will go you know it's like so although i think it's already lessening man and that's the exciting thing you notice right like there's a different i mean i know that we're closer to it and we're paying attention more than the average person and the average person doesn't even think about this anymore like they thought about that one day there was a

congressional hearing that's it that was it yeah my it's it's it's it's it's It is and it isn't. It's like there are more and more people who feel like they have a place to talk about it. There's more and more people that feel like they can come to this show or they can go to other shows and they feel like they can talk and they can have the conversation with it. And there are more and more people who want to know answers. There's no, there's no doubt about it. And they don't feel like they're kind of alone, if you will.

But there's still there still is that thing because people just don't do research on things. And like I mentioned earlier to where they're going, oh, hey, what? oh yeah there's aliens out there right they're not you're not gonna it's one of those things I can't remember who said it I think it might have been Lou Alizando I can't remember but it was somebody along the lines going the type of information that's going to come out in the next year is where the it's where the general public just can't ignore it anymore that's going to be that's the day that's the day when you know as I told my wife was and you you'll you'll you'll say you're sorry eventually because my wife is like you know like last night i was watching the interview of um it was

watching the the the weaponized podcast and i was watching on my tv and she's like i'm not watching this i know gabby's the same way yeah and and i was and then i go okay well i guess i'll go in the bedroom she's like you're going to watch this overhanging out with me in the living room right now and i was like i mean i'm not going to get myself in trouble here so i was like i'll watch it later but yeah but yeah but she wants nothing to do with us of doing this is fascinating she's like no just she doesn't because I don't believe it but you know what dude I have to be honest with you there's also a part of me that and I'm being dead honest here like I almost wish we could just stay in this moment of it right forever where it's like peak peak out here hear me out

peak speculation like lots of interesting stuff we can play internet sleuth about it but there's no like as of yet real world consequences to it because suddenly because it's a it's a crazy thing If you sit and just like think about it, like do the thought. I have a tough time doing the thought exercise for more than two or three minutes, to be honest with you. It's like when you say, how long can you think of your own death? It's a tough thing for people to do.

But dude, thinking about that and what it would mean for everything is something that I'm like, I wonder if I want it. I want it, but I wonder if I really want it. If there's a clear cut answers, if there really is a clear cut answer, like a lot of different things that I don't necessarily know,

like I said, we've talked about a billion different theories and whether, whatever the theories are, I'm not saying that any of us, you were talking, believes this or doesn't believe it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But let's say hypothetically going into science fiction. We find out that we were put here by these things. We find out that these things have been traveling here for years upon years upon years. We find out that these things are actually from four or five thousand years in the future and are the evolution of human beings. We find like this, I'm just saying, like all these different scientific science fiction theories, and you found out about it.

It changes your worldview and it changes the way that you look at things forever. If there was a clear cut distinctive, like, this is fact. This is factual. Right, right. You know what I mean? Like if it comes to where people can't say, oh, no, that's not real. If people, if everybody from the biggest skeptic goes, okay, well, maybe I was wrong, this is real. Yeah.

This, I mean, because there's just things that the world fights over now and that would seem insignificant. That's my hope. Yeah. That's my real hope is that it's a unifying thing. I just hope. I just, I can't help but think about that movie Prometheus. Like, that's what I always think about that we were some accidental, like, flea flick. And now they're like, what's this annoying thing we left over here?

And then they have to go and deal with it every time that we're up to something. I mean, I don't know if you've gotten a chance to get into it, but it's just I can't help, but think about the fact that there's also a major global conflict happening, you know, and who knows what's to come of that, but there's a lot of saber rattling and a lot of crazy stuff. So it's just like, is this something that's being revved up so that we don't pay attention to that? Is it something that's being revved up because it's a response to that? It's just. Yeah, there's a lot of theories and there's a lot of things I watch. And the same guy that did the interview with Grush, Rush gave that. second interview to that

YouTube channel. And I've been watching and I stumbled upon, I can't remember who the guy was that he had on. The young dudes? Yeah, the young dudes, but he had on this guy, I don't know if he was a... We're like a grudges on like a polo shirt, like hanging out on some deck or something. Yeah, but that same channel just did release something

like two days ago. And the title of the the video is essentially are humans, are these aliens that essentially humans from years into the future? And there's a physicist who believes it. And it's like the reason why they keep getting involved in nuclear events and the reason

why they've had all these reports of nuclear events because they don't want us to blow themselves up because then we blow that. They can't exist. Right. So I, which again, depends on what you believe in with. I don't, I don't believe in that because I believe that time doesn't work like that. I believe that, you know, time.

Suddenly you have beliefs on time now? I've always had belief on time. Like for me, yeah, time travel for me. I've always like, I, when I've lived. listening to the, I used to pay attention to the parallel universe stuff and all that stuff like the back to the future, time travel to, back to the future one of the best movies of all. It's the time travel aspect is ridiculous. It makes no sense of all. Because the way that time works in the infinity on time, if you believe what most physicists think,

is that if I go back, if I go back in time and I decide, okay, I'm going to, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to, when Peter and I are supposed to meet, I'm going to make Peter go somewhere all of a sudden he never meets me ever again so you'd be like well we're not going to be doing this show right now well we still would be in this timeline we still would be but in an alternate timeline no we would and that okay that you know what's funny about that is that to me loki is pretty good is is more accurate in time in time depiction yeah which is which is crazy because you know and they they played with whoever's writing the time travel stuff in marvel actually does pay attention to time in the way that it works the same thing in game but it's all the

conversation. Yeah, I'll throw a robot from she-hull. Different rabbit hole. So all that stuff that Brush said, the Mussolini stuff was pretty fascinating, you know, because whether he said that he, they asked them on this on the show, they're like, well, how do you think that they got the thing over here? And he's like, I didn't get that information. But if I was the guess from the size of it, they didn't have a plane that could have

transferred it. So it was probably by boat. He didn't, he didn't have any information that was. factual on that, but he just, that's what he guessed. So yeah, these things have been around for forever. I can't wait to hear about the one where they built a building on top of it. That has to be like a freaking floating city, dude. What are we doing?

And that's the thing. Where did you find that thing? Where's that thing crash? It's like the thing. Remember at the end of the thing when the craft takes off or whatever it is? Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy.

Yeah, show that video. I'm going to show that clip. Here's the, here's the clip. I'll just say, before you show you. It's like focus on how mundane it is because that's what's crazy about it. We're meeting the newsmakers, the people behind some of these major headlines about UFOs, about sightings that cannot be explained lately. And our next guest is a renowned astrophysicist. He's name is Adam Frank.

That only believes that there's life outside of our planet, but in his headline-making new book, it's called The Little Book of Aliens. Oh, boy. He says that we're on the verge of proving it once and for all. Please welcome to the TamFam, Adam Frank. Thank you for doing. Okay. So, Adam, I'm happy you're here because you are the scientist. You are the man with this brain and the knowledge.

I am the person with insomnia who stays up and has visualized the alien is very different than our life. So I'm happy you're here because it will wrangle in. Again, some of the skepticism of people who might say, There are so many things you can be doing with this hour. This is nonsense. But you recently wrote a piece for the Atlantic, incredible publication. And you said, in the thousands of years that people have been arguing about whether life exists elsewhere in the universe, one thing has been constant.

No one really has a clue, but not anymore. And just this week, the European Space Agency released the first images from its powerful Euclid telescope, which launched in space in July. this technology advances us to where you believe we are, which is identifying other life, not aliens, but other life. How do you explain it from a science perspective of where we are? Well, you know, after 30 years of being an astrophysicist and studying everything from stars to planets, why I wrote this book is I wanted people to understand

how close we are scientifically using telescopes, like Euclid or the James Webb Space Telescope, how close we are to discovering evidence that will tell us about life, not in our alien life, not in our skies, but in planets orbiting stars billions of miles of miles away. And it's extraordinary that we're at this moment now where we can do this. We have the technology to see aliens, alien life on alien worlds. You have been a professor at the University of Rochester studying astrophysics for three decades.

In 2019, NASA recruited you to study. search for signs of advanced civilization on other planets. You do know in the movies, it starts with you guys messing up, right? You do know. The scientist goes in search, and we all pay, we all pay. But in seriousness, you say that the human species is poised at the edge of its greatest and most important journey. What journey is that?

This is something that's amazing. Every star you see in the sky when you go out at night has a family of planets around it. We didn't even know that 20 years ago. And every, if you count up five of them, one of them is in the right place for life to form. So what we have now is the ability to use telescopes like the James Webb or some of the new ones that are coming out to see into their atmospheres. And we can tell, we call it a techno or bio signature in the light from the star. There's an imprint. It's like a fingerprint that tells us, oh, there's oxygen in that atmosphere. And so, for example, oxygen would not be in Earth's atmosphere, it wasn't for life.

So if we find oxygen in the atmosphere of an alien world, tells us there's forests and microbes and all kinds of, you know, life, you know, there. Life there. In the book, chapter seven of the book is called, What will we find when we find aliens? And in the book, you basically say, was this the first chapter you opened when you picked up the book? I'm not judging, I'm just saying.

Because, I mean, that to me would be the logical question. I'm guilty of that. guilty of going to the alien part of the story and wondering what this thing would look like. Right. That's the impression left because we watched so many sci-fi films. That's what it is. That's what it is. I grew up on those sci-fi films.

I love those sci-fi films. But the thing that if you apply, and this is what I wanted to show in the book, if you try and apply aspects. Yeah, that's me. Right. Where do you think I got my haircut from? I was like, geez. Looks better on you. Right, thank you.

That's why I got my haircut. So if you apply what we understand about evolution, which is quite a bit, what you realize is that, sure, there are some things that we might expect to be same. On Earth, for example, wings have evolved like three different times from totally different species. But so that's what we call convergence. So yeah, you'll expect wings. You'll expect legs. Legs make sense if you're trying to move around and get food. And so the important thing to understand is we're the only humans or humanoids in the universe.

It's just not going to get the same sequence of accidents that will lead to like, you know, two shoulders, arms, legs. Yeah. And so we should expect to be surprised and maybe a little grossed out when we find. Oh, gosh. Well, Adam, thank you so much. Adam's book, the little book of aliens. So, yeah, it's, I know. That last line, dude, is not how you end daytime TV.

No, it's true. It's just like more of those conversations. And she said it up top too. And good on her for, you know, reaching out and having that conversation and knowing because that's, you're going to get a lot of people like, wait, what? I mean, even George Knapp got it back in the day where you can't put that guy on, on the, no one's going to think this seriously. Now it's starting to turn into more like, well, wait a minute, this physicist has. And because they approached it in a very different way. They didn't approach it in the way that like our show does or other ones.

They approached it in a way that they said, like, look, this is a guy who was recruited by NASA to do some stuff and he's got this technology. that scientifically it makes sense. What he's saying is that there's a telescope out there that can let us peek. And it's a very powerful thing. And it all makes sense scientifically that there would be, if there's oxygen, there could be other life form. And that's what he's saying. She didn't bring him on to say, well, the UAPs, they're zipping around.

They're doing this. And we think that someone so recruit found them. And they weren't getting into that. They were just saying, but it goes back to your earlier point from the beginning of the show. all of this is just coincidental? I don't think so. It all plays into at least what I think, what's coming.

I do think there's going to be a major thing within the next year. It's just a weird thing to just randomly throw into your show. And it's not something, like, you know it. I know it. Anybody watching knows that is a crazy thing that we just watched because of how normal it is. It feels like when you're watching dystopian,

movies and TV, like when you're watching total recall and the programming and the background of, you know, it's wild, dude. And the fact that he at the end says, and you know, it might, we might be surprised and we might be grossed out. It's like he's literally getting the idea into the average stay at home person's head that it's something that you're going to have to come to terms with that like whatever it is, is whatever it is. Like five, maybe 10 years from now, Christian will be watching, you know,

whatever the late night with Seth Myers is. And instead of the guy bringing on the wild animals from the zoo, it was like, well, this is a fun guy from, you know, Omicron Percy I ate and he just likes to nibble on chips. You know,

that's where we're going to be, dude. Yeah, I think at that point, I'm not going to be watching. If that, if it comes down, I always think about this too.

There's two questions. One, would life change that much for us in the fact of like, would we still want to even watch TV shows? Me, I would just have questions. I would want, I would just have questions.

I would have, like, if there was ever an opportunity, where we were like, we want you, if you want questions answered, you can have them answered. And it's like, I would have, I want to know more about time and space. I want to know about how the hell we got here. I want to know how long,

potentially they were here. You know, like all these different things. I would love to answer. I wouldn't be able to stop. I would turn into that guy from the, that saw the UFO and that was in that Houston case. where yes he saw it it it's but he just he couldn't once he saw it that was it it became his whole entire thing like for me tuesdays i talk about it i have a good conversation with you or riley

and then i i kind of browse throughout the week and i read the articles and i do a couple search but then i let tuesday really be my day yeah if it turns out when they make an announcement if it's like a big announcement i think i'll be into it even more than i am now because it's like of course dude but you're not going to be satisfied covering the new flash movie like when you could have blarp on and talking about their cable and their movies and their entertainment

you go a different route with it I just I want to I don't know if you're ever getting in the interview with the A list with the A list alien they're going to send you a box and it's a brain plug you put it on your head and then you just go somewhere for an hour while they just emanate stuff

I would just want to I'm telling you man it's just like it's like those questions of are we alone and what life is like as far as the meaning of life and all those types of things. But again, deeper conversation. We hit the stuff that we wanted to hit today and there's still probably a ton of other things. But we will have stuff next week to talk about as it looks like, you know, this skiff. We didn't even talk about, shoot, man, we didn't even talk about it real quick. I guess we should talk about it as the Mexico hearings.

Oh, yeah. So they had another one. And they brought those bodies out again. And this time they brought people out and they said they made it very clear to not say that they were confirming that it was alien life form. But they were saying they can confirm it was not of human origin, these things. And it's thousands of years old. And it was like these bodies, mummified bodies with three fingers. So that was an interesting.

And, you know, it looked like Jamie Musa Musa, Musad, I think is his name, who was like, you know, he was. out there again and probably feels validated. But does this validate it for you? Dude, I don't know, man. Like, this is what my gut goes. My gut goes, those are, that's not an alien. And then I have to go to myself like, hey, asshole, you've seen aliens? Because I've never seen them.

And that could be a great mummified version of one of them. There's so little. There's so little. That makes sense too, right? Like, everything we hear, because you know what I think about, like, when you see, like, a dried up lizard on the sidewalk? I don't know if you have lizards in California, but they have them like on the sidewalk and they dry up in the sun

and then they're like half the size. They're already supposed to be child size from every like, you know, everything you hear. So if they're desiccated versions, like little raisin versions are going to be tiny bite size ones. Well, think about and also think about human beings.

You got, you've, you've got freaking, you know. Jack and David Spade, same species. 100%. 100%.

And it's, so who knows? I don't know. But the, and the hearing. but they were they did do another hearing it did obviously didn't get the kind of press that you'd hope it would but i think it all leads to it i think it all leads to the big story inside of that was that it is it it is a big story that they confirmed that this stuff that these two bodies

were indeed not human they didn't they again emphasizing they did not say that it was alien they stayed away from using that word they're extraterrestrial they didn't use it they just confirmed that it was. And so I thought that they did, but they didn't have a lot of people out there. I think that, I feel like George Knapp was there. Yeah. Yeah, because did you see in the beginning of that show last week? He said he was sick.

And he said that he got. Right. He went somewhere. Yes. He said he went to Mexico. He said he was, yeah, he said something about. And so put two and two together. It seemed like he was at the hearing. Well, that episode airs tomorrow or late tonight. I'm looking at midnight, I think, your time. But I'm looking

forward to that because imagine, And he's like, hey, you know, my big concern was like, are they going to come back? Someone had accused it of being like a Frankenstein carcass like that put animal bones together. If they just disprove that, I'd be interested, you know. I think that they did it disprove that, didn't they? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I, maybe.

Maybe people are ready to the comments. Either way. Peter, thanks for joining me here today, man. I appreciate it. Where can people find your stuff? Attack Peter, anywhere online, Instagram, Facebook. attack Peter art, but yeah, if you look for Attack Peter, you'll find me, put me in quote,

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