The Kristian Harloff Show - Max officially replaces HBO MAX and it is stupid! | RMB | The Big Thing

Episode Date: May 23, 2023

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There's a lot of stuff going on. RIP to the great Ray Stevenson going to talk about just some of the great moments that he was in, the things that we loved about him, and just trying to pay as much tribute as we can to him. Other news, you've got Echo. That show has been rumored to be a stinker for a bit. But now there's some other rumors about Kevin Feigy, about what he saw in the first cut. Killers the Flower Moon?

Got a big standing ovation. That can. Is it going to be great? What about the Indiana Jones stuff, man? What do we think of what's going on with the Indiana Jones? That and more on today's show. We've got a really fun one for you today. So make sure if you haven't already done it,

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What a show we have today. Not only is Roxy Strya here on a Tuesday. Robert Meyer Burnett is in the house, everybody. So we're going to be talking about a lot of things. So let's get to it. You're sick of me. And I'm sick of myself. Let's do it.

Yo, yo, yo. What up? It's me. It's Roxy. And Robert Maya Burnett is in a house. What's up? Everybody. How you doing?

Christian, our ears, our poor little ears. Oh, you're getting nailed? Are you getting nailed? No, it's more him that's getting nailed, but I'm just helping him out. He was trying to get your attention. Are you better? That's better. Okay, sorry.

Was you really blown out? You were paying attention to none of us. No, it was not. This is what he was doing. And this was you. I was locked in, man. I was focused. And why wouldn't I be focused?

What's up? How are you doing? What's the latest? I'm honored to be here. It's great to see you again. Yeah, I haven't seen you in a long time. The Shmodown days? Yeah.

The RIP. I feel I see you every day on Instagram, though. Your Instagram game is odd point. I've got a good Instagram. Listen, I post a lot. People have qualms with that. How much you post? Yeah, I guess a lot of people will say to me that like, you post too much.

I'm like, okay, mute me. Right. Unfollow me. I don't know what to tell you. I post a lot. You know what it is. I didn't all of a sudden start posing. A lot of started posting a lot years ago.

Well, they have FOMO. And now you're here. Robert. What's going on? And how are you doing, man? I'm doing good. You know, yeah, there's a lot of YouTubeing going on. Observations, baby.

Observations, let's get physical media and all the other things. I have a couple new people on my channel. See, my dream is to actually build a network. Yeah. Hence the Burnetwork. Yeah, yeah. But I would love it to have 12 hours of original programming a day. Wow.

And what's interesting? If there's one person that could do it, it's you. 12? What are the 12 hours of? How would you do it? Okay, so I've had people come to me, Israel, this kid out of Texas, he loves anime.

He came to me, he said, I'd love to do an anime show. And I don't know much about anime, old school. But it interests you. Interest me. Right. So he said,

here's what I want from you. I want an hour long show once a week. I want it plug and play. Send me the show, send me the description, send me your script. Send me everything. Send me your scripts.

So he did. And 14 weeks. in a row. He's been consistent. I'd like to see the channel. It's not my really my audience. I'd like to see more people watch. He does a great job. It's great. Fantastic job. He just turned 21. So you just want to kind of dip your toes into stuff that interests you that you, like you said, you have an interesting, but you want to learn more about, and that's what you want to do in your channel. Yeah, I mean, the whole point of what I wanted to do is I call me my audience imagination connoisseurs. Anyone who loves science fiction, fantasy, or genre, whether you're a tech head, whether you're,

even if you wanted to do a show about breeding orchids. If they like New Star Trek, are they out? No. You just kick them out of them? No, because as long as they can explain why. Oh, okay. And what I want is dialogue and discussion. Even if somebody is diametrically opposed to me in some way.

Right. Just not yelling and screaming, just actual intelligent conversation. Yeah. At the end of the day, I say the same thing at the end of every show. Every person you meet has a story to tell that you have yet to hear. That's right. And all you have to do is listen. Good. Well, and that's for observations and you can check it out.

I remember that for a bit when we were talking and the channel at one point, you were a little frustrated because you hadn't built as much. You're like, I got to post a little more. Then you started to do it. And I saw like a 10,000 subgrowth within like weeks. Well, you know who told me to do a channel? I was John Schnepp. Yeah.

He said when we were doing heroes, he goes, you should do a channel. You're always Mr. Positiveity. Yeah. And I said, what would I talk about? And it took me a while to figure out what I would talk about. You've been playing around in the space for a bit, and people love you and love to hear your opinions on us. So make sure you check out Rob's channel, by the way. It's Rob's observations on.

Thanks for that commercial there. You're wrong. But it's also about what you're doing, right? It's like, because we got a chance and we get to catch up on John Cho, and we did some great, I told some great dad jokes. Did you know, by the way? Oh, God. I'm not going to tell one right now. None?

No, not right now. But did you know, I heard this. Tell me if this is true. Taylor's here, and I'm sure there's some great dead jazz jokes, too. I'm sure. Let me tell you something. I'm missing the dynamic. So when we would do John's show together before we went live on the air,

I would tell him just horrible dad jokes before we went on the air. So the camera would get to him and this would be his face. They were bad. They were extraordinarily bad. But I will say, did you know why the little boy threw the clock out the window? You want to see time fly. There you go. I knew that one.

Perfect. My daughter loves that one. That's an ancient. Dad joke. Crushes. My daughter loves it. Anyway, what I was going to say is. is, oh, I've got one more for you, why not?

So which animal can jump higher than a house? I don't know. All of them, because houses can't jump. He likes that. Sit in it. Sit in it. Perfect. I wanted to know more about breeding orchids.

Oh, yes. Yeah, please, please. I was hoping we'd circle back to that. No, we're not going to do that. It was an orleans book, you know, that adaptation was based on. But we did. We would go for. We had a good time, and he and I started talking.

We're like, you know, and it's the same reason that it was hard for me to get on the show a lot of times because of the drive. When I reached out, it was just like, yeah, it's people, because people right away were like, can you make, can he be on every week? And I was like, look, as long as he wants to drive. You're far? Yeah, he's far. He's far. It probably took about an hour and a half to get here. Two hours.

Yeah. But it's all right. That's what I mean. It's all right. One time. It's right one time. Not every week. Right.

But anyway, it's great to have you here. And we're going to have some fun. we're going to talk. And you know TV today? Here's a thing. What? I prep really hard for the TV segment because I'm me. So I don't want to, I have shows that I could talk about. Great.

And some of them are new, but a lot of them are things that I have been talking about. Then I put together a top 10 list of all the best shows of this month. Oh, wow. So. Maybe end that next week. Yeah, I could do whatever you want when you want. All right. Well, we can talk.

I'll tell you one thing I will that we can start with right away. I just watched on Apple TV, the Michael J. Fox. still. Oh yeah. The documentary about it. Wow. It was good. Really good. That's what he's been doing all the press for. Yeah. Really, really good. So, you know, I think, you know, it's hard to watch, obviously. But I think that what it does very well is it takes the idea of, okay, with any documentary that you're going to do, you want to get a back story of the, like, for younger people who are watching that want to really get an idea of who Michael J. Fox is. They show him like, you forget how massive Michael J. Fox was back in the 80s, right? Like, family ties? But how he got family ties to show it, I didn't know the whole story about it. They didn't want him. Tardukov didn't want him. They didn't really say, but they just said that they didn't think that he could,

that what Tartikov had said was, yeah, he might be able to hit the comedy, but you can't put him on cereal boxes. And then after he became the massive star, he sent a picture of himself on a cereal box to Tardikov and signed it. Did they talk about, he was in a movie called Class of 1984? I think they showed clips from it. It's amazing. First of all, it's a great exploitation film

about a gang of teenagers that go after a teacher. Okay. It's brutal. Mark Lester directed me. No, you got to watch it. Well, they showed a lot of his stuff that he did when he was growing up, but they didn't. But what they did, what was really interesting

was they would tell a story about something that actually went on in his real life, but they intercut it with footage from his movies. So, like, if he was going out, like, he's like, when he got diagnosed with Parkinson's, he's like, I just sat on the street and thought, and they showed a, what's it, big lights, big city? Right lights, big city. So they showed a clip from that. Or Secret of My Success, they showed when he first got the gig at fan.

But the way that they intercutted, it was brilliant. It's really, really good. But again, the poor guy, it's just, he's breaking his arm all the time. He's breaking his hands because he can't control his body, so he falls all the time. And it's just like, it's tough. His relationship with his wife is just, I mean, she's a fantastic, fantastic human being. Absolutely. And the fact that he's endured this long.

I mean, in terms of being a hero to all of us, it's incredible. And he's still going. Yeah, I'm surprised you did. I haven't seen it yet. Yeah, I was going to text you. You heard about it. Yeah, yeah. And I also watched a lot of his interviews.

And I will watch it because, of course, like every breathing human being on the planet, and I'm a big fan of his. Of course. So, yeah, I will check it out. You'll love it. That kind of shit is very sad, though. It is. It is very sad.

It was tough to watch because of, you know, the obvious. but it was also really, it was talking to PLD about it. Like there was, he's like, it was sad. I was like, yes and no, because there was also like that revisiting of your childhood to go back there. Like you said, what he meant to all of us.

That's the sad part. It is. Well, yes, there's a lot of, there's absolutely, but there's also the, I think the juxtaposition of not just the sadness, but like also the joy as well, which it does, you're right. It blends into the sadness of it all,

but it's still, you still feel that like, oh man, this guy used to really make me feel good, watching his stuff and like you forget he was a massive movie star and he admits he's like yeah i was a dick at times he's like i was i was i was kind of cut up in my own stuff and he and he's so honest and so wrong and it's i highly i highly recommend that it's on apple tv so if you want to check it out it's called still and it's the uh michael j fox documentary all right let's get to i mean i guess that was a sad story but let's get to some other sad news unfortunately and the great race stevenson has passed at 58 years old um now the news came on uh monday i believe

leave. And yeah, it's just, at the time that I'm reading this, it was still undisclosed as kind of what happened, but there was kind of rumors that he had a sickness that something he had on set. I'm not sure what had happened, but either way, right before his 59th birthday, he passed away and obviously

he's got Asoka coming up. I first remember him, I mean, he's been in tons of stuff. For me, it was Rome. Yeah. I loved that show. Rome was so ahead of its time. Like, it today is the type, if that show is put into motion today it gets because you remember originally it was supposed to be like seven seasons so it was too

expensive way too expensive 100 million back then now that's a lot 100 billion that's nothing right you don't think that people think of that as a huge show no no no no I'm just saying like if it came out now it would be even bigger oh yeah yeah yeah I mean I mean that if it came out today you would actually have people it it was so much of a risk HBO didn't know what to do with it they got scared they because Rome the history of Rome you could have covered 15 seasons of Rome if you wanted to do it, but what they did was, I don't know if you remember this, but they had, season one, which was so detailed into the building of Julius Caesar

and all that, and then season two, they condensed like, what was it, like a, 50 years of Rome in history, because they knew they were closing it because it was too expensive. Nowadays that they were preparing for a show at that size, they would say, okay, we

have to be prepared, putting on an HBO. HBO would do much different, because people are prepared for that type of series now. Nobody was watching that kind of thing. Speaking of that. What did you just say? What network? Max, sorry. I went to play today. But that's still

HBO. It's not, that's the HBO original is not. I know, I know, but he's bringing up just the fact. What do you think about it? But isn't that still, right? Or HBO's not called HBO now? No, HBO's gone as of today. No, I thought HBO Max was gone and that's just Max, but HBO is HBO. Isn't HBO HBO? It's so confusing. And Max is HBO Max?

No, it's just Max now. There's no such thing as HBO. I'm just curious, like, is the HBO, you know, the at the beginning right no I think that's still there I think HBO originals exist and then HBO Max is just max

I don't know I don't think so no no no the network I think the whole thing is gone is gone as an entity now my question is this in the succession finale

is it going to start with the HBO symbol they're not going to are they going to get because all the shows that HBO made are they going to change they can't change it all the way through

because the same way I look at it's like WWWE used to be WWF Right. Now, when they refer to it back in the day, they refer to it as WWE. However, when you go back on watch the old footage, they don't remove the WWF logo. They don't remove all that stuff too. And the difference is that was legally they had to do that because the World Wildlife Federation or whatever foundation. So they had to change their name. They did not have to change. Is that why he got booed, by the way? Why did he get booed in Boston? Because the Writers Guild. Oh, okay. You know, but here's what I understand. As someone who directed some Skinna Max shows, five episodes of Fenfatals. Yeah, you did.

So why would they want to identify this network with Cinemax or Skinnax? I know. And that just called HBO. And I'll call HBO, which has always been a Tiffany brand as far as programming is concerned. I don't think you guys are right on this. Okay, go. What do you say? I'm not sure.

I'm on the HBO website right now, which is HBO.com. and as of today's still it says how do you get your HBO on TV you can still get HBO through TV not through Max and it's just called HBO the channel's HBO but what do they show HBO Max which is now just called Max and that they show HBO original so that would be like curb your enthusiasm so no they do HBO you can get HBO on Max I'm not just to find no I know you're not I know you're not it's so stupid I believe HBO's a brand still exists just HBO Max doesn't exist. That is my understanding of it.

I'm very confused, though. Why would you get rid of HBO? It doesn't make sense. I don't think they... I mean, the funny thing about HBO is there's nothing called HBO except HBO. Right, it's not like Warner Brothers's home box office. Right. But I even

even the point, let's say that HBO... And I'm not even certain. But let's say that, let's say for argument's sake, it's still around, right? Why would you make it so confusing? Why don't you just... HBO Max was fine. Who had a problem with HBO Max? Warner Brothers has had a really hard time figuring out this streaming thing, right? So if we take it back for a second when they announced DC All Access, that was Warner Brothers

streaming service, but they also had CWC'd, which was Warner Brothers other streaming service. Then they announced that they're doing HBO Max. Half the shows from DC All Access or DC, what was, DC Universe with All Access on it, went over to HBO, same with some of the CW shows, and then vice versa. and now everything just being max, it's like they just couldn't, at no step of the way, have they made the perfect decision?

Ron, what I want to ask you, what do you think the reason is, like, inside of that conversation where they're sitting around and Zoloft, he gets Zoloft to this one. This is a Zoloft movie. I've been giving him props.

That's insulting to Zoloff. But for this movie, sitting around on the board meeting and he goes, you know what I was thinking, HBO, it's been around for years, right? Let's take it off. Let's just get rid of it. Let's just call it Max.

why do you think they make that call? I think this is true of a lot of things because he didn't watch HBO. Just like the people that take over our favorite IPs, they don't love our IPs. They haven't watched our IPs. They haven't thought much about them. So they're making decisions not based on someone like myself

who's watched HBO for 40 years. Yeah. And I have a great association. There's HBO films. They made great made for TV movies like against the wall that John Frankenheimer directed. They've done great mini-series. Do you remember the show Dream On?

I love Dream On. She was just on, his wife is on shrinking. Yes. Martin Tupper. I love that character. That was an HBO show from the early 90s. Sex and the City. Yeah, of course.

Supranos. These are, these sopranos. These are quintessential pop culture moments and in terms of television as well, famous, great stuff all associated with HBO. Why would you want to get rid of that? HBO historically

is the top top brand in television. Let me play devil's advocate for a second. If they are keeping HBO as a channel, is it smart to disconnect HBO from HBO by removing the name HBO because people have been getting confused and it is making the brand lose its value

with things like Gossip Girl, which was the most atrocious reboot of all of the reboots that I have watched, not trying to insult the... I know you're saying. But like horrible. There have been some things that have been on HBO Max.

I can't name one HBO original show that's a stinker. I can't name one. Right. On HBO Max, there have been some true stinkers. Do you think that they are going for this more...

They want... More variety they want... It's like separating Disney Plus from Hulu. Right. Kind of, which now they are. Right, but I know what you mean. It was like when they were doing that. Maybe he is thinking HBO is our golden goose and all the HBO stuff goes on Max,

but we don't want to be called HBO Max because then people are going to be confused on what's an HBO Max show and what's an HBO Max show. Yes, I think it's a very valid point. The problem is everything we're just saying sounds so much more confusing than just calling it HBO Max. They're fucking. They're fucking it up. There's no way to say that they aren't messing this up right now. It is confusing. The fact that we are all three in this space every second of every day. and we all have three different interpretations of what they're doing,

like after reading the articles, really looking into it. Like, I'm not sitting here like, huh, I'm not sure what they're doing. How could one find out? I'm on their websites. I'm trying to figure it out.

I don't know what their plan is. And that's not a good sign. Yeah. It does, I do want to jump back because if we see, this is what I love about this. So our show, as you can see, not as structures of other shows you've been in the past,

but that's kind of what we love about it. You know, it's just kind of free-form conversation. And I have updates for you, too. I want to hear that. second, too. But before we do that, I do want to talk about Ray Stevenson because of Rome and because of everything. And it does show how that show really meant a lot to people for those who watch it. He was, he was arguably the best thing on that show. And then the career that he had overall, the Punisher movie itself that he was in was good. But I really liked him as the Punisher.

I loved him as the Punisher. And he's just done great stuff. But did you, I mean, do you ever get a chance to meet, to meet Ray Stevenson? I never met him. Okay. And what were your overall thoughts on him as a What I liked about him was he had a very, kind of like Gerard Butler has a very manly presence. Yeah. Like he will rip your head off. Right. And I believed him as somebody who was dangerous. Like an alpha dog kind of.

Yes. Yes. Exactly that way. And I thought that he played those roles very, very well. Yeah. And that's why they cast him is, I mean, he had to, what Thomas Jane played Punisher in the first. Well, actually, Dolph Lundgren played the first question. That's absolutely right. And Thomas Jane, but he fought.

follow it up. Like Thomas Jane didn't come back. But Ray Stevenson was a killer. Yeah. Killer punisher. He was. Did you meet him? No, I never had a chance to meet Ray Stevens.

Is you? No. No. But so many of our colleagues, I mean, looking through social media that day was like gutting, especially because half the people had just talked to him. Right, because the announcement of like when they showed from Asoka, which leads into the fact that, because someone asked me yesterday, is this the last role that he's going to do?

And the answer to that is always, you never know because there's so much stuff that he could have shot. Look at Ray Leota. Ray Liotta still has stuff coming out. And he passed over a year and two months ago, whatever it was. I just saw him recently on Blackbird. I saw him on a lot of different things. That was great, by the way.

Great. I can't believe that I'm behind on that. What's up with me? I don't know. And that's another Apple Plus show. Yeah. Those shows, even the ones that aren't so great like Invasion. Do you see Invasion?

No, it is. Don't ever see it. It's bad. Apple Plus is doing really well. Their shows are beautifully made. The production values are really, really, great stuff. But I am glad to see, as Roxy was mentioning,

the outpour of kind of love. I never heard a bad word about him. I'll tell you that. From everybody who interviewed him, everybody who spent time with him, even stuff that you would hear throughout the years on set, never a bad word about him ever. And you could tell from, I mean, Rosario Dawson put out a post, you know, after working with him recently.

And I think that it's going to have, I think he's going to be so good in the role. And I just wonder, you know, and I did see some people saying, There were a few comments I saw. I wasn't necessarily going to watch Asoka or somebody said I wasn't going to support the show anyway because I don't like where it's going. But I want to go check it out because I want to pay respect to one of his last performances. So yeah, it's tragic. We still don't really know what happened, right?

No. Yeah. It's just, it's almost like at this point and this happens all the time. I think as society, because we have so little control over what happens to people, we do get obsessed with like what happened to them. And it's like, it doesn't matter. He's just, they're just not here anymore. Get it out here. And I give a lot of love and respect to Ray, to his family.

And he really did mean a lot to so many people. And 58 is young. 58 is really, really young. So, yeah, once again, there's really nothing you can say except love thoughts to his family. And, yeah, he'll be missed. Yeah, all right. We're going to move on and try to make an easy transition out of that. Yeah, a hard job for you right now.

Let's see what you do. Right back and forth. I'm just going to bring up a story, Rock. It's going to be plain and simple. I think that we're going to go next. Let's talk about Killers of the Flower Moon, man. This movie is getting some praise. Now, it's 175 hours long.

It's like, seriously, it's like 204 minutes. It's something ridiculous, but people are loving it. People are loving it. So here's the story coming out of Cannes. All right, so the reviews are in, just comes from Dark Horizons, Killers of the Flower, Moon. Martin Scorsese's Killers of the Fire Moon received the biggest standing ovation at the Cannes Film Festival so far on Saturday night, the world premiere of the three-hour and 26-minute epic.

That's the right word to call it, epic. About an unexplored, dark chapter of American history and unrelenting greed resulted in a nine-minute standing ovation after the credits ended. Scorsesee, returning to the festival for the first time since 1985 after hours, appeared to have delivered with this reportedly $200 million story set in northeastern Oklahoma, as members of the Asage Nation are murdered in a systematic fashion for the sinister ends. Leonardo DiCaprio, Deliol, Gladstone, Jesse Plymins, walk the red carpet. Reviews have already started to pop, and here are some of the quotes. Those heading to a Martin Scorsese movie looking for the electric verve of so many of his past films may initially be disappointed,

but as Killers of the Flower Moon steps in, it shocks, resounds, and haunts. That's from Merger Lawson over Fannity Fair. the triple threat combo of Scorsese, DiCaprio, and De Niro. Obviously, the movie's main selling point also comes to feel like it's central distraction. Gladstone's performance goes a long way. And it just goes on and on a lot of these different reviews that are raving about the film. But let me start here. I want to ask you this, Rob.

This is a three-hour and 26-minute movie. It costs $200 million to make. I have a hard time believing that this movie is going to make a profit in theaters. No, it won't. Yeah. I mean, look, I'll watch anything that Martin's Chris says he makes. Same. Anything.

Any movie he does. What I like is that he's one of the only people that can tackle non-box office subjects like silence. Yeah. You know, or Cundon. He's one of our last filmmakers that is allowed to make cinema. I mean, here's the thing. I don't mind a lot of. genre entertaining

whether it's superhero movies or movies like Super Mario or whatever. The problem is we're not getting the other kinds of films. Studios used to make they made romantic comedies. They made dramas. They made legal thrillers. They made action movies. There was a whole opere of things that

studios made. They don't do that anymore. The only business that the studios are in are making $150 million movies that make a billion dollars at the box office. That's what they want. Luckily, a streamer, you know, these streamers are spending ungodly sums of money that they don't have to get a box office return for. So this is going to be an Apple, this is an Apple plus film that's being distributed through Paramount?

I think so. But Roxy, let me ask you this, because as I hear Rob say that and make, because they kind of understand it's going to, they're not going to make this money back in the theater. They're just not going to do it. But Air, now it didn't cost the same amount. It cost a lot of money. Yeah. But Air knew that it wasn't making a lot of money in the theater.

That's why they did the deal with Amazon. That's why it's been out. It came out on Amazon Prime like last week. But it made over $50 million at the box office. Right. So that's what I mean. It made it. Now that's not enough to make the profit of the film plus the marketing, obviously.

But it still, it was them basically saying it says, okay, we're not going to make a profit on the same. But let's put it in the theaters and make some money on it. But our deal is really with Amazon Prime. Do you think this is a similar kind of thing? Yeah, definitely. I think it's cool that they have that option because it means that we do get to see movies like this. my question for you guys when every time I hear things like

it's a nine minute standing ovation 11 minute 12 minute is there any correlation between how long people are giving an ovation and how good a movie is like any correlation? I don't really think so because I well yeah but I think the longer because apparently like Indiana Jones got a standing ovation too but that was more so

the respect of Harrison Ford hanging up the fedora I think the longer the the the longer the applause the actual quality of the movie goes up right right think yeah but then like the idol, the series that the weekend is in with Johnny Depp's daughter, that got like a big, yeah, Lily Rose. It got, that got a huge ovation as well.

Yeah, I don't know how that works. Like, why, and also who starts it and stops it? Have either either of you ever been there? No, yeah, who times it, right? There's like one guy they hire. He's only a job. He sleeps for the most of the year. But then just for that job, he wakes up and he comes, he's like, I got a gig.

He's got a gig. and he's got a time in it and he's like, based on a feeling, or people are like, it was like 11 minutes long. And then articles are like, it was 11 minutes long. Yeah,

they do that all the time. Just every time, it's a big sentence in the article. It was a 12 minute standing O. And I'm like, I don't know if that's supposed to help me with anything. Like, does that convince me to do anything?

I mean, what I find interesting about this, though, these hybrid releases like you're talking about air. At Netflix, they were spending 100, what, 120 on the gray.

man. The Russo Brothers is a great man. How much they spent my home? And then a red notice was $200 million. There's no return on those movies. Right. None. But they know that kind of going in, right?

But they know going in, but how do they, you know, now the streamers are talking about how they're losing money. When you spend $200 million on a film that's not going to get any box office return, what makes it different from a $150 million dollar movie or $100 million movie? Well, but I think that's partially part of this whole thing with the writer strike, right? It's like because the streamers won't give up how much, How many people are actually watching these things?

Does more money come inside of that somehow? Do they figure it? And that's why I also think, like, Hulu, and I understand when you have these ads and stuff, that makes sense on how they're going to make this money. And also understanding why Netflix had to start putting ads on different tier to make some of that money back. And because those ads can definitely take care of some of your costs.

Sure. And that's what they used to do. Yeah. I mean, that's normal. That's normal enough. Look, I think writers should get paid more money initially. Yeah. If it's a streaming movie, you pay the writers where it all begins.

You pay them more money up front and give them the time they need if they're working on a series. I mean, look, I don't know if you've been watching Succession. I have not but Roxy tells me to every week. Okay. You don't want to start this battle with him. I've been trying. Well, if you want an example of how valuable writers are. It's the best written show on TV.

It's by far. On this season, the fourth season, it's like I watch that show. I have to watch it twice. Mouthis gap. And yeah, the writing. And it's people in rooms talking. Those speeches at the event that took place this past episode, I'm trying to not spoil. Just all I can say is James Cromwell.

I love James Cromwell. But you look at that and you're like, here's something that only, I mean, I shouldn't say only because it's brilliantly directed. The cast is incredible. It's incredible. But the writing. Yeah. I'm getting a sense and tell me if I'm wrong because I don't know your stance on this at all. saying that you should pay them more up front, are you trying to say that you don't believe

that residual should be? Well, here's the thing. The idea of residuals is based on an old model, an old revenue model, where TV shows were paid for by advertiser dollars. You know, you'd get advertising money and that if a show was successful and aired more and it was repeated more, writers got paid more. If shows got canceled, the show went away and there were no residuals. I think in the streaming world, that economic model is different. The problem is writers are getting paid less.

They're not given the time to work on their shows the way they used to that. And they're rushed and pushed. There's not as many of them in the room. And there's not as many of them in the room. And they also don't stay on shows very long because it used to be like, I'll use Star Trek as an example.

There were 26 episodes of Star Trek a year when they made Star Trek for 18 years and 25 seasons. There was 26 episodes of season. So writers knew that they were going to work for the majority of the year on 26 episodes of TV. Now there's eight or maybe 10 and yet they're not working any less. They're working. They're still working as hard. They're just not working for as long. So the writers, you can't, you can't make a living. Right. You know, and then not only that,

they're paying you for less time. They're not allowing writers to go onto their sets to watch their shows being produced. And another thing that's happening is that writers, also learn all about producing in terms of what it means to be on set, what it means to participate in post-production to watch their episodes edited. They're not getting any of that opportunity anymore. Do you not believe in residuals across the board then for actors?

Oh no, I absolutely believe in residuals, but the problem is there aren't residuals the way there used to be in terms of so if a show goes on, so if you have a show that is paid for on, say, Netflix. If a show's on Netflix, they pay for it, They make it, and that's it. So there's no more additional money coming in to pay residuals. So there's no economic model there.

The problem is what they should do then is tie in a contract. They should tie if you get so many views, you get paid a certain amount of residuals. Well, that is essentially what residuals are supposed to be based on the success of the show, how long it runs, where it ends up running. And if it was a streaming show but then, or an ABC show, but then gets picked up by a residuals. Netflix kind of thing, or in this case, Hulu. So in 2019, Netflix paid $100 million to run friends for a season. Right. $100 million.

The people that had negotiated actors, the producers, they all got a nice chunk of change off that sale because that was done under an old economic model. I think everybody should get residuals based on performance. You know, that's what they tie in, like if you are making a feature film, like a director, a box office bump if your movie makes $100 million you get money. Yeah, back in. And I think that that should be, I think that should be absolutely factor. People should get paid for something's more successful. But they're not, they're not even, they don't even want you to know those numbers. That's the crazy part about it.

Right. Because of that, because of that reason. And I would say, look, just pay people, especially writers, a fair wage because it all begins and ends with the written word. And just if you want to change the model, then pay. people what they're worth. Are you going to watch Succession now? I keep going back and forth, right? Like I'll watch. What's the back? Just go forth. Commitment.

And the matter of like sitting there, because I know that once I tune into it, I'm going to be watching it every day, right? Because until I'm caught up. You're welcome. There's only 40 episodes. I just watched the last unicorn, though. I know you know that movie. Animated Last Unicorn? Yeah, that's right. That's absolutely right. But doesn't have time for succession. Because it's an hour and a half movie as opposed to, you know.

You should watch Succession because it's a tour de force in the medium. I don't like that you just brushed over the last unicorn. I'm not going to brush it over the last unicorn. But I'm just, I know you have kids. That makes sense. No, watched it by myself. And that's not true. I started watching it by myself.

And then I watched it with my daughter. Okay, well, that's... You watched you twice? One and a half. Look, I would just say... I'm looking drunk with you. Yes. Anyone who's interested in filmmaking at all, TV at all, narrative, storytelling.

Succession is... I know. I have watched the first two episodes, and I really enjoyed them. My wife, on the other hand, bailed on it. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. Sure. Do you like the big short and margin call?

You do not have to sell me on the show. I know that I'm going to like the show. Apparently, we do have to sell you on the show. The answer is yes. I like both of those. Okay. But I know I'm going to like this because I liked what I watched so far. It's just, it's the commitment of it all where I watch.

I rewatch Dungeons and Dragons the other day, but again, watch it with my daughter. Okay, so you're just talking about four hours of time that you could have banged out four episodes of succession. Yeah, you know, look, things happen. But I had enough time to shave my balls, everybody, and that's right. That's Manscaped. Have you used Manscaped? And you can get the perfect package. That's right.

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I haven't seen it either. So when I went to, like, I told you, I was not excited about this movie. I didn't think that there was a reason to remake it. Like everything else that they did. The Lion King was a shot-by-shot remake. I watched you're out of the theater review. Thank you so much. I saw that.

That I did see with my daughter. You were hustling in that review. You mean out? You were lucky. Yeah, because I had to get to the crosswalk. I was like, he is a movie. I had to get to the crosswalk. My daughter is so good now because she knows what I do that when I take her to screen it, she's just, when I first started doing it, she was like, hey, dad, I'm like, you can't jump into this thing.

Now she just knows, and she wanted to hear my thoughts on it, too, because like, what we went to, the movie itself. Now, I didn't know what I was going to think about this, right? and I talked about this on my non-spoiler review. The problem is, I think, like, I'm curious to hear your guy's opinion on the fact. I think, like, somewhere in 2016, the pop culture movie news space got very political, right? Like, in where it was, and it was Last Jedi had happened, and it felt like if you, it felt very much like right-wing, left-wing politics. It was very, if you liked The Last Jedi, you were this.

If you didn't, if you hated it, you were this. but it's just all blended in. And it felt if this movie, I think, is absolutely like, nobody even saw it. And then you got people who just wanted to hate it because the actress was black, right? And then there are people, because I want people right away, go, oh, just because I didn't want to see it, I'm racist? No, that's not the case.

There are some people, like myself, that saw the trailer, said, she looks great. She sounds great. I don't know if she's going to catch her the essence of Ariel at all. I don't know. I've never seen her act. And I thought that in the trailers, the computer, imagery didn't look very good.

Flounder. What about flounder? Looked like ass. Right. And the crab, right? I will say my first concern that I just mentioned, Hallie Bailey is incredible as Erdo. Like incredible.

And like she just emotionally just did it. And it was just, I was really impressed. And the other thing is, is there a reason if you're going to make a remake? Can you add to the story without changing stuff up that make people go, well, why do did you do that? That's not what happened in the thing. They add to the story. Now, there's a couple things, you know, Lynn Manuel Miranda added some of the songs, and I thought, there was one particular song that felt a little out of place. My kid loved it. Felt a little out of place, but didn't ruin the movie for me. But I really enjoy, I still think the CGI, some of the CGI is bad.

I think some of the stuff you look at and you go, well, they're on a set or that's definitely made with a computer, but there's other times it looked phenomenal. But I like going into it with an open mind going, if you do like it, say it. But if you don't, say it very similar what we were just talking about with the conversations you want to have in your channel. Say it in a way that you can discuss, that you can be out there.

And it doesn't mean you're a racist. It doesn't mean that you don't like it because, but articulate why you don't like it. And that's very fair. I like the original. I don't like that one. What do you think about? I know you've been seen yet,

but what do you think about going into this? Well, to me, it's all situational. I didn't hear anybody objecting when Will Smith was the genie and Aladdin. Right. Because the genie and Aladdin's like blue. Right. So who cares? Right.

It doesn't matter. And what I'd rather see is the best actor for the role. And it's Haley Berry. I always want to say Hally, Bally. No, it's Haley Bailey. Hally Bailey. Hally Bailey. That's right.

For me, when I first saw her, she looks incredible because she even looks more like, if I imagine what a mermaid is, looks like. She looked more like a mermaid. She's got this unbelievable face. I love her face. She's so likable. And she's so likable. And first of all, she's an incredible singer. So to me, she's perfect casting. Like,

it's a mermaid. Like, I don't know, I'm not up on my racial diversity mermaids. A mermaid is a mermaid. It's a fantasy creature. A mermaid is a fantasy creature. So I'm like, get the best actor and the best singer and the person that you're going to fall in love with the most. And it's also, and the same in the same way, which I do, I think she

just annihilated the role. But if you feel that, didn't feel like Ariel to me, I didn't like the performance, you're allowed to say that. I mean, if you go and see the movie, but if you don't go and see the movie, come on, you got no merit.

Here's the thing. Have you ever seen the Shawshank Redemption? Don't ask me that question. Have you read the story? The short one by a Stephen King? The story is called Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Red. The character of Red that Morgan Freeman plays

is a white dude in the story. Can you imagine anyone other than Morgan Freeman Why that character? Absolutely not. They even acknowledge it in the movie. Why do they call you red? Maybe it's because I'm Irish.

Right. They kept that from the story. Nobody has ever, ever, ever said they had a problem. Right. With changing because Morgan Freeman is great in the role. And it's also because they, by growing up with a little mermaid, they feel like that they own it. And it's like you don't.

You might be attached to it and you're allowed to be attached to it. But you've got to go in open-minded. the things. But Roxy, what do you, I mean, yeah, you missed, you missed the screening, though. Yeah, I miss the screening. I will go see the movie, though, because I want to go support it. And also, I'm like a Disney princess nut. I love these things growing up. Little Mermaid was never my, that was always my sister's one. So, you know, I loved Aladdin, Lion King, Moulon. That's how Vivian was, and Vivian loved this one. Yeah, so, but I, I do like Little Mermaid, and I definitely will see this. I think she looks amazing. We have this conversation about Superman all the time. He's a

fucking alien. He can be whatever race he was. wants to be. She's a mermaid. She can be whatever race she wants to be. Um, but to your point about things getting really political at that time, I think every, it's not in the movie space. Everything is political. You know, like, I'm on these fucking dating apps, which are just an awful experience. Yeah, the world got a lot more political. One of the things you can write on there is not political. And I always swipe no on that because like, what do you mean? Like, you can't just be somebody who has no opinions. Like everything is. So you have to. And so, So everybody's going to have their own opinion going into this movie.

What color skins we have shouldn't be political. Right. But of course it fucking is. And now it's going to affect the movie, I think, pretty much, pretty greatly. I think the difference is now, you know, I've always said in my, one of my rules of storytelling. I used to say never put your universe before your characters in your story. Everyone's like, we have to have a shared universe. I'm like, no.

You should concentrate in your characters and your story. And if they work, you can build your universe from that. You can't do it the other way. I think the same is true of having an agenda. You can't have an agenda before your characters and your story. Right. And I think that part of our political system now, what's happening is people, everyone's putting their team first. Everyone's putting whatever thing they belong to first, when really what you're doing is you're doing things backwards.

Storytelling. Come to the story first. Come to the story first and come out of the characters and the tale that you're telling. Right. And any other way is compromising the... the story itself. So I don't disagree with you at all. What I will say is that I think that sometimes people can, because a lot of studios, a lot of people do that, I don't, and I think that a lot of people have assumed that Rob Marshall and Disney did it for this. And I think that, okay, I can understand

why people would come to that conclusion, right, but not the case. This is, they, they worked on the story here. They were, and as you say, with how great of a singer she is, that theater, when she was singing in some of those songs. You know when a really good singer, it is so powerful that it's almost like the music just like hit you, goes through you and you're like, whoa, even if it's a song you've heard a million times. Had you listened to her and Chloe before?

So I had heard her sing at D23, and it was really good, but it didn't resonate. I thought she was great, but it didn't resonate the way it did sitting in that theater. Like you could feel people, it was like a concert when people were locked in on a singer and watch. And they know the songs too. They know the songs, and it's like, but it's just like, boom, and she adds things to it.

It doesn't change the song, but just the way, certain notes and the way that she hits it, you're like, boom. It's like, it's, she's really, she's really a phenomenal talent. Also, you know, I'm sure that Rob Marshall, who directed the film, I'm sure that they probably auditioned a lot of people. Oh, yeah. And they picked the person they thought was best. Yeah, that's not a direct offer situation. Yeah, no, I mean, they had to be with Disney corporate. They were talking about your little mermaid.

one of their biggest things. So this was probably, as far as Disney goes, some of the most important casting in maybe the decade. Yeah, they've got this one coming out. They've got boogeyman coming out. They have some things kind of working right now in different genres. And then I want to move over.

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And here it is. That's right. All right, let's talk about something that broke my heart. What? The mixed reviews for Indiana Jones. Are you seeing mixed? Because I'm seeing bad. I mean, mixed is 50% for me, right?

50-50. So, but it's because it stands at like a 50%. But that's bad overall when, you've taken consideration James Mangold. That's the more shocking to me. The follow-up of another Indiana Jones movie of people not accepting it

or a lot of the, you look at the craziness that happens within Lucasfilm, I think they're an absolute mess right now. They creatively don't know how to get things together. That doesn't surprise me. James Mangold doing a movie that is, they said that the humor is all over the place and it's kind of empty.

You can call his movies a lot of things. empty is not one of one of them so do you excited about Indiana Jones at first does this take away from your word were you not excited what were your overall thoughts I'm still excited same you know here's here's here's the thing I'm a James Bond fanatic you know I've been James Bond fanatic my whole life I'd say it's about 50 50 in terms of James Bond movies being good or bad it's a rough it's a rough franchise yeah there's I can't even watch diamonds are forever anymore when I was like kid, I loved it. Nowadays, not so much. But I still love the James Bond franchise.

You know? It's like pizza. Even when it's bad. It's still pretty good. Right. It's pizza. You know? Yeah. I'm going to watch this movie. Look, I'm only really a fan. Raiders of Lost Dark is a perfect movie. Perfect movie. I think Temple of Doom's a pretty good follow-up. I'm not a big Last Crusade fan. And I certainly didn't love. Raiders is my favorite out of the three. Yeah. And look, I want this movie to be good.

I think I don't trust anybody anymore when it comes to tent pole movies that are based on long run and I agree with you. I agree. I need to see it for myself because everyone said the same thing like the first, the long extended opening back during World War II is great. Everyone said the same thing.

That is great? Well, is that enough for you? Because if I see a long 20-minute set piece with Indiana Jones, maybe that will carry me through the rest of the movie. Right. Maybe. Well, Roxy, what do you think overall? all with with because like here's a example of what rob says you know when you look at a movie i just

saw fast x yesterday because i missed it because i was at my brother's wedding and so i wanted to see it and it's got like a 53 percent now i had fun with that movie now very different movies oh my god totally very different movies because you if i think that you judge that movie going in like i just had a blast i'm not looking for peak cinema i'm looking for a bunch of goofy nonsense happening and and does it does it work better than the last and i thought yes yes i'm just i'm just i'm for Fast X. Indiana Jones, I really dislike the fourth one. Me too.

The essence of Indy is just not there. Every trailer I've seen, the essence has been there, but do you, did you give it, because Rob and I obviously come from a different generation, did you give a shit about Indiana Jones? Yeah, oh my God. Okay, you do. Not that only guys like Indiana Jones,

but I have a big brother. So it was like a huge thing in my house. And I'm really excited for this still, like you guys, I feel like we're three Indiana Jones apologists right now, because we're like maybe 20 minutes will make us love a whole movie. But maybe the audience also will love it there. Recently what's been happening is the critics have been really, I mean, this usually happens a lot,

but the critics have been low on a movie and the audience has gone bananas for it. But I do think that what's good about what's happening is that based on the trailers and based on the stuff we had seen, I actually thought this was going to be fucking amazing. So now I'm like, okay, Rocks, hedge your bets, like go in just thinking, maybe I'll like it, maybe I won't, maybe there'll be minutes that I like. Maybe there will be minutes that I don't.

And that's a better way to go into a movie in general than the hype being so real. And I think maybe for the critics who saw it who aren't loving it, maybe it's because they thought it was going to be the best indie of all time. Right. And they debuted at Cannes, which do you think in retrospect, even if it's a mixed movie and we wind up loving it. Do you think that if they thought that this was going to be a mixed movie, it was a mistake to premiere this at Cannes? Yes. But I think they thought it was a huge hit. Me too.

I think that that's why. They were hoping it would come out of can and that it was going to be raving about it. It's going to stun everyone. And this is a thing. We live in a weird time. Like, let's say someone came to you and said, you're a big director.

Would you direct a Star Wars movie in this day and age? It depends on who I am. You're you. No, no, no. But I'm saying it depends on who I am in my career. Like, what kind of director? Am I in Nolan? Am I, like, who am I?

Like, what kind of statue am Matthew Vaugh? Say you are Christopher Nolan. So you are, David Fincher. There are different directors that have the backbone and have the tough skin to say, I don't get, look, Tony Gilroy is an example. Tony Gilroy is an example of someone who showed around a Star Wars thing that wanted to do it. Because Tony Gilroy does not care what the fanboys say. No.

So it depends on who I was. Your personality. Yeah, but it all matters because of what I've directed in the past. Answer his question, Christ. I'm telling you that I... I'll answer your question. My answer is yes, I would do it, but I would do it knowing that it could stop my entire career. Right.

Here's the thing. Indiana Jones was introduced to the public. Question answered. I still answered the way that I did. Over 40 years ago. You got the same character. We as people change. And the idea that an Indiana Jones movie is going to work as good as it worked the same way as it did in 81 in 2023.

is, I think, absurd. The idea that we want these franchises to be what they've been for 40 years. As we grow old and change, we want our franchises to say the same. But how can that be? But I think there's a mixture of both. I think you can have it both ways.

I think that you can add things of today with things of yesterday and still make it work. Because I think that that's why people love those trailers so much because it felt like the trailers felt like the old school. We've seen it work,

Top Gun Maverick works. That's right. Rocky Balboa work. That's right. Creed. I mean, even Creed's a mixture of both. Creed works. But here's the thing.

I read some criticisms of the film saying that Indiana Jones, he's tired, like the character. He's tired and he's cranky and he's old. But he is old. And I'm like, but that's the story. I like that. I like seeing stories of our characters. Like, I love seeing characters come back. Color of Money.

Paul Newman, it's a sequel to The Hustler. You know, 25 years later, whatever. Fast Eddie Felson is not the character he was in the first movie. I like seeing what happens to people when they get older and they come back. I love the Western the professionals, a bunch of old over-the-hill gunfighters or whatever coming back to pull off one last gig. That's a great idea for a story. And to see what happened to Indiana Jones and then he still figures out how to do it, how to get it done. This grizzled old guy, it can't be bothered.

Then he can be bothered. It could be awesome. What I hope they do, because I happen I really like Phoebe Waller Bridge. Fleabag was great. Yeah, but Indy always has... Did you watch it? Fleabag? No.

Oh, my God. That one's great, too. I know, no, I too. I know, I know. And her original show, whatever was French. I feel I should hang out with Rocks and just watch TV. Oh, my God. Fleab is so good.

But the thing is, what people like, were they, Allison Dutie from the third one, the third one, you had Kate Kapshaw from the second one. You had, you know, obviously the great Karen Allen in both one and four. India's always had a strong female character. With him. Yeah. You know, so my concern is also because sometimes they overshadow, and you look at, it doesn't matter if it's man, woman, if the main character is overshadowed, I could see people having a problem with that. I haven't seen that criticism yet, but that's, I want to see her have a prominent role, but I want to see it still be Indies movie.

That's one of the concerns I think some people have had, but I didn't see that criticism at all, rocks. Did you? No, I didn't see that. I also want us to keep in mind that, even though. it is a dream of mine to go there. Cannes is super pretentious. Right. A lot of really pretentious people.

And Indiana Jones is not pretentious. It is like rough and tumble. Yeah. I do think though, talking about how franchises can kind of evolve and I know you talked about a little bit Top Gun Maverick and different things do stay the same. There's a lot of Indiana Jones that still stays the same in terms of like nowadays, uh, fighting Nazis is effing relevant, you know, like villains are relevant, heroes are relevant. There's a lot of stuff that still works today. I don't think that the franchise is as dated as some of our other franchises where it's like, how could they possibly make this work in 2023? I think that they actually, and the story that you just talked about, that's a story I'm interested in too. How does it happen where he is tired and he's older, but for some reason he's got to do it again? I think all of that works. I meant more more that the fact that people want this within the franchise, they want those stories.

to feel and be the same. Right. As opposed to allowing characters to get older. Like, you know, and they made Never Say Never Again, the Bond film in 83, where they also swapped out Felix Lider for Bernie Casey, black Felix Lider, nobody cared then. So Bond was older. You know, he was getting older and he, he, that's, they kept making fun of him for getting older.

He had to go to literally a health farm to kind of dry out. Yeah. And I like that. You know, I thought that was really interesting. Yeah, it gets more depth and shows more life. more real. My favorite thing, Star Trek, you know, Star Trek characters, Wrath of Con was about middle age. Let me ask you is this, and I'm going to ask it in the least rude way possible,

but maybe it comes off that. Be as rude as you want. Do you guys like that because it's where you're at in life? Like, would you like that if you were 20 years old and you were going to see an indie movie? I also, I mean, I think, I mean, if I'm 20 years old, you know, and I'm what, if I've seen the movies back to back to back, and I'm like looking for another Indiana Jones movie of the same, I can see where you'd be maybe disappointed for it too. But I don't think it's any that particular.

I think in general, I like to see the progression of characters. Even when we saw Logan, the reason why Logan works so much of where he was in his life at that point. And I don't think you need to be older in life to enjoy that movie. People saw the progression of that character. I'm not saying you do. I'm just asking the question. No, but I think that's a great question.

Yeah. And I think for me, going back to Star Trek, you know, as a little kid, I started watching Star Trek when I was like five years old. When the movies came out, the character of Kirk was all. older and I was still a kid. Yeah. You know, and I actually thought it was interesting watching them getting older and having them

being older, incorporating this story. Like in Ratha Khan, Kirk's like, this is some dude for 15 years ago. You know, he's pissed at me. Right.

And I was like, oh, you know, it taught me a life lesson. Things have consequences. That's right. You know, if you pissed somebody off and it would deal with your shit.

Look at Jason and Moa and fast half. Right. They're going to come back to you. And it was, I liked characters. I liked characters. I liked seeing characters get older even as a, And when I was a kid, I liked when there was a mentor student, like in Highlander.

Right. Having, having, having John Connery mentor. Yeah, but you also feel like you've seen so much of their life and their journey. You feel like you've known them for so long. You get to see, like, this progression of where they go. So I like this, where they're going to go with and how they're going to continue it. I'm just curious how it's going to go for the reception. What I will ask is this kind of going more into the business side of things now, where we've been pretty

vocal on, oh, this is something people wanted to talk, we needed to talk to you about, because here's what I want to tell you my stance on Kathleen Kennedy right now. Okay. So I think Kathleen Kennedy is absolutely from everything she's accomplished in her career. Hall of Fame producer,

there's no argument about it. And even with, for people in this, I'm going to go the business side of it, I'm going to talk the creative side of it. The business side of it is if you're a Disney person, you hire, and Kathleen Kennedy is placed as the head of Lucas film, your job as the executive and Disney is to say, how are you going to put money in our account? How are you going to put money?

Are those movies going to make money? Every movie except solo, which is not her fault, because it's Iger, who wanted that movie out earlier. Now, you can argue that a lot of this stuff with the production cost them more money, so maybe there's a little bit more of her to blame on that side of it, but had it come out in December, would have made a lot more money. She makes these movies, I'm not talking about the reception, because I don't really like the new trilogy at all anymore. even Force Awakens, which I like, is ruined by the things that follow. They all made a billion dollars.

You can say, well, the million. Right. And you can all say, well, each one made less than the last. It's still made a billion dollars. It still put it in their account. And especially when they're making movies

like Strange World and Light Year, which is losing $200 million. They need money that's going to go in the account. Right. So, Kathleen Kennedy to me has, and now done the job when it was supposed to in a lot of her things. Now, she's made a lot of mistakes production-wise,

and she's made a lot of mistakes creatively, in my opinion. Are you looking up? Oh, no, you're not looking at anything. What are you doing? Just playing with a string. Perfect. Thanks for paying attention. I am paying attention.

Every time people are like, are you texting? I'm like, I'm playing with my pants. I'm listening. I'm glad my point is so riveting that you wanted to play with your bag. I have heard your Kathleen Kennedy point. You started this conversation with, I want to talk to you about something. I was out of the conversation before. Well, the reason...

When it comes to Kathleen Kennedy, what I was going to say is this. I think she just made... You can't, but you also, you know, you can't deny with all the problems with the directors and certain things. I think she's... Roxy made a fantastic point a couple weeks ago. She needs a PR person. She needs someone because she has... Or a better PR person.

Yeah, someone who's going to tell her, someone who's going to tell her, you know, look, there's certain things that you should maybe present. And there's certain points that she made on that IGN interview after celebration where it was just It was unbelievable some of the stuff that she was the way that she was said. The Kevin Feige movie were like, oh, it wasn't real. And then Rousseau said, it was pretty real. We were going to direct it. And like it's things that just say there is, if she's honest more so and say, if there is, you know, it didn't work out the way we wanted it to.

We hoped that it would. But it didn't. People go, oh, okay. This movie is the one, though, Indiana Jones. This is the movie, though, that people are going to go, well, look, it's Kathleen Kennedy. She produced another Indian Jones movie. And her husband, Frank Marshall, goes all the way. back to Raiders. If this movie doesn't work out. Do you mean financially? Yeah. Is this the beginning

of the end for Kathleen Kennedy? Or is she going to be there for a bet? Look, I'm like you, I'm a Kathleen Kennedy fan. I think that the... I'm not going to say, I'm not going to say that I'm a Catholic Kennedy. I'm going to say that I appreciate what she's done in her career. I just don't, she's not, she's not the right person for the job anymore, in my opinion. Well, okay, but here's, here's the thing. You know, she was president of Lucasfilm before it was acquired by Disney. Was she? Yeah. Lucas, Lucas. That's what she appointed her right as it happened. Well, maybe around the same time. But it was still a Lucas appointee. That's right. That's right. The problem with Star Wars and the problem was with Lucas

film is Disney. It's not Kathleen Kennedy. Not creatively. It's not. Well, but here's the thing. Kathleen Kennedy is, here's, she's a producer that is used to working with visionary directors. Right. And she facilitates a great producer, takes what a director wants, and makes it happen for them. I'm going to get you all the things you need to produce the film. Kathleen Kennedy is very, very good at that. Her first producing credit was E.T. Spielberg himself said she's the best producer I ever work with

because she knows what everybody needs to make their movie. Right. I don't think being put in a position of being the president of a company was one of her strong sense. That's right. And here's the thing. She's not creative. She's not somebody who's weighing in...

She can get the production duties on. Yeah, she gets a production. Yeah. And so what's happened is she's used to hiring people. If you look at the people, she's worked with Scorsese. She's worked with the best of the business. She's produced movies for everybody. She's used to the people that she's working with being geniuses.

That's what she's used to working with. She hasn't been working with geniuses. I think J.J. Abrams is not a genius if you look at science fiction films. What? I wouldn't say he's genius, but he's very creative. He's very creative, but he's made five science fiction films, all of which are not good. I wouldn't go that. You and I are very different pages

with the Star Trek. No, I understand, but also, also look at a Star Wars movie. It was a repeat. What is your thoughts on what Christian asked about if this movie financially does not perform? Do you think that she is, this is the beginning of the end for her?

I think she wants out anyway. Do you? So you think it's unrelated to this movie completely? Before Ray? Before the Ray movie? Because I think, because if I'm her, I would say, like, and you've been in these positions before,

wouldn't you want to say, all right, well, I set up this new movie in 2025. That's the one that we know is going to happen. Who knows of the Mangold one or the following one? Well, I think here's what will happen. What happens to all these people? She'll leave her position and get a producing people. That's what I'm saying.

But I'm saying that she has that credit, but wouldn't she want to stick around to put another billion dollars in the bank if she's going to do it and then leave? So aren't you answering your own question in terms of even if this doesn't perform? I don't necessarily know. I'm telling you I think that's what she'd want to do. My question is, does, I agree because now there's more and more people.

Because what I've seen is that when it first started out with Kathleen Kennedy, you could point the figure and go, but there's just people yelling and screaming about her because she's a woman in a position of power and they don't want to, and they don't want her in there. And I'm not going to say that wasn't untrue for a lot of people. But then as it got the more decisions that came out and the directors and the directors and the directors that kept leaving projects and the things that were announced about, there were more people. Like you look at, I remember having a conversation with Steph, Steph Sabra.

At one point she said, no, I think she's still, and now Steph's on the, yeah, I think it's just, it's time to go. Like, if you're a sports fan, I've said, Mesa's analogy, there are times when a certain manager works for a certain franchise, and then they come in to bring their instruction to another one, and it does not work. I just think she'll be, like you said,

another production deal that she gets somewhere else. Probably will wind up doing a bunch of successful movies. But, yeah, but I think that here's the thing. With Indiana Jones, getting James Mangled to direct was a great, that was a great thing. Oh, yes, it was. an incredible director. So you would call him genius? I would call him

yes, because if you look at he works in many different genres, whether it's 310 to Yuma, whether it's Logan, whether it's Copeland, whether it's identity. He's worked in all these different kinds of genres of film. He's a very versatile storyteller. He's a writer-director. He is definitely, I would say, he's visionary.

He's a great hire. You know, he's somebody perfect to pick up the mantle of Spielberg. That and aside from COVID, I know that had a lot of production problems and Harrison Ford getting hurt and all that. That was a tough, tough one. I don't think that was either Mangled or Kathleen Kennedy's fault

making a movie during a pandemic. So look, I think this movie's going to make a lot of money. Yeah, me too. I think that, remember, we who talk about this stuff all the time, we live in a bubble. You're right. The rest of the world does not care. They're going to go see an Indiana Jones movie.

They're going to have a great time. They don't even know it's screened it can. They have no idea. Right. And not only that, remember, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull still made, what, $750 million? I think they're expecting this movie. It was very expensive. This movie was very expensive.

200 million. So if this makes anywhere from, I don't know, $700 to a billion. Do you think it'll get that? You think it'll do that well? Yeah, because the world wants to be entertained. I'm curious because, Roxy, at that time, the Flash will have been in its second or third week. and then Mission Impossible is probably two weeks after it. I think it makes half a bill.

I think it makes $500 and which will be okay for them. You don't think it'll make more than that. Yeah. Yeah, I do think so because it's an Indiana Jones movie and I do think based on what we've seen, even though people at Cam weren't feeling enthusiastic about it, I do think that it's going to make more than that. People have been waiting so long for this.

It's like the only thing my friends from home even know is coming out this summer. It's my number one. And I'll tell you the reason why another reason I think that it has an opportunity. I'm not saying there's no way you guys are right. You very well could be in close to it to a billion because... I don't know about a billion, but I would say $750. But you look at Top Gun Maverick.

Who thought Top Gun Maverick was going to make $1.2 billion? There's not a lot of people that did. It was, I'm telling you, you might have, but not a lot of... I did say that on John Scho. No. Pull it up. I want receipts. I believe you. I believe you. I believe you, but you're in the minority. I'm telling you in the minority. You said it's going to make over a billion dollars. I said it was going to make a billion.

I believe you. You said before Top Cut and before reviews came out before people anything, when they announced Top Cut and Maverick, you said it's going to make over a billion dollars. Someone's going to pull this clip. Yeah, pull it. Because then I'll believe it. I'll believe when I see it. And I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why I said that. Because John had seen 18 minutes at CinemaCon

that I didn't go to. Okay, okay. So a year in advance. And then the trailer, the first trailer that came out like a year in advance, I'm like, and here's the thing. I was saying that I think people underestimate how beloved Top Gun actually is. And it's something many generations.

And it was a great movie. And it was in the 80s it was groundbreaking. You know, everyone, it was it was what I'd call an MTV movie. Tony Scott made the hunger, he made Top Gun, he made Beverly Hills Top 2. Those were great MTV movies. Well, but with Indiana Jones, though,

I think that another reason it could do very well is because of the, like I said, the Flash, you got Guardians, you have the big movies, the comic book movies, the reason something like Avatar does so well, the reason why Top Gun does so well, it's an alternative to just going to see the big budget movies, but it's not in the comic book genre.

So you get a chance to see Indiana Jones, big adventure, and brings in an older audience, you know, also, that maybe are just used to streaming stuff now and don't go to the theater as much now. But you know what? My dad, my dad wants to see it in the theater because he took me to see Raiders of the Lost Art. when I was like five years old or whatever.

Exactly. And I'll tell you something else. The reviews that I've read, like Kingdom of the Crystal Skull had active stupidity. Yes. Really stupid stuff. I haven't seen anyone say that about this movie. They might not have liked something or it didn't deliver,

but everything that I've read about what happens in this movie, I'm like, that's intriguing. Yeah, they said it was kind of repeating some of the same beats. From what I saw was repeating a lot of the same beats, empty is what they're called and instead it's just, you know, not doing anything new. I think I'd rather see not anything new than monkey swinging in the trees with Shai Labou. Yes.

And somebody doing a Tarzan scream or something like that. And here's what I find really interesting. The idea, just the milieu that it takes place in, the fact that it's in 1969, it's the age, the landing on the moon, and where Indiana Jones is in his life. And everything about it, all the different plot elements are interesting to me. There's nothing about it where I go, well, that's stupid. Right. It's still got a five minute.

standing ovation. Five minutes. But that five minute is described as more muted and a formality. Yeah. And I think they were doing it. I think they were doing it because it's Indiana Jones last hurrah. And they're giving Harrison Ford his due. It's a big, it's a big Hollywood tent pole.

Whereas Cannes is very, like, it's very pretentious. I mean, they don't, it's about cinema. Right. Why is Indiana Jones here unless it's like the next, you know, this better be top god Maverick. It better get, it better get, it better get, close to being nominated for an Oscar. They want Phantom Thread. Right. Yes. Well, yeah, I mean, so it's, it's

curious. I mean, the only reason why I push back on, even myself defending that at one point, is that there were some critics that I looked at that I actually lined up on a lot of their other tastes with, so that made me, you know, I just looked at, I went through a few of them and I said, okay, well, what did they think about this movie? And I'm on the same page of me. What about this?

Yeah. Same page. And I went, uh-oh. Not that that is you know 100% but it's it's just it's something that could you're trying to say is it wasn't bibiani's take that it was not bibiani's and again and nothing against nothing so much love what I say about bibiani is I think he's he's such a a great critic I just never am on the same page with that guy ever yeah but you know I think also I want to like this movie

right and I think it's like the cave and Empire Strikes Back what's in there only what you take with you are there movies you don't want to like There are movies that I am predisposed to not liking for whatever reason. You see a trailer or something you just, I don't know. Or I, yeah, and you know, I try and not be that way. Well, example like a JJ Abrams science fiction movie. You know, I'll go in there and I'll be like, I want it.

Look, I think I want to like every movie. I really do. But there are some filmmakers that I'm not big fans. I'm like, I want Indiana Jones to be good. I want Kathleen Kennedy to succeed. I want James Mangled to succeed. I want Harrison Ford to go out on a high note. I like Phoebe Waller Bridge because I like Fleabag.

It's a great show. You should watch it. Eventually. But it's, I just want it to be good. And here's the thing. I know like a James Bond movie, if a James Bond movie isn't going to be good or if I'm in it and I'm watching it,

like I hated a view to a kill when I first saw it. I was so excited to see it because it's a Bond movie. Hated it. But when I walked it, out, I'm like, it's still a James Bond movie. I've only ever seen Golden Eye. It's the only Bond movie I ever saw. Yeah.

And I didn't see it until the pandemic. You didn't see any of the Daniel Craig ones? I see nothing except for Golden Eye and I didn't watch that until like four years ago. I think she, I think you would love the Daniel Craig movie. I feel like I would like this franchise because I love all of them. Yeah, I love the Born franchise. I love the John Wick franchise. I like that.

I feel like it would be so up my alley. But it's overwhelming. This is what I feel for people coming up right now with everything that Marvel has done. It's over-fucking-whelming where you start with something. When you are a new fan to something that has so many movies, it's like, people tell me start at the beginning. People are like, just skip to Daniel Craig. People tell me all different things.

I'm like, I'm just going to not watch any of them. That goes back to what you were saying before, though, Rob, is that, like, you know, with the, that's the problem of what, I guess, the benefit and the problem that Marvel did, right? Marvel created this, basically a big television show that started with Iron Man won. But I love Kevin Feigey, but when Kevin Feigy goes, you don't need to watch Mondevision. You know, if you...

Lies. Lies. Yeah. You've got, you have to watch a lot of the Marvel stuff. Or like, when I took my daughter to see... In the holiday special. Yeah, well, a bunch of different things. And she had to... I had to catch my daughter up

because there's not a lot of these standalone Marvel movies you can see without catching up. And a lot of franchises are like that, as Roxy just said. But last thing I want to close with before we leave, this is a longer episode. And I'm glad that we have a longer episode. The Flash, we've mentioned. It's coming out.

I mean, right around the block here. You and I have seen it. We've seen it. No spoilers. Don't worry, Rocks. What I will say is this movie, I feel, because it's coming out, we've got both Spider-Man, the across the Spider-Verse comes out than like a week or so. We can have, then you have Transformers, which is tracking terribly.

Although I think it looks good. When is our Spider-Gers thing? It's like next week. But then the flash comes out after that, and then, Indiana Jones. So to me... Okay, summer season. Let's go.

Barbie. And this is the first one that we've had since the pandemic, like this, crammed in since like 2019. But because of the... I think, personally, I think that out of the four of them,

I would have said differently before, and I stick by what I said with the 500 million. I think that the first... I think Flash is going to be the winner out of those four movies as far as box office. I actually think Spider-Man will be number two.

Then I think Indiana Jones and then then, transformers. But let's start with the Flash. How do you think that that movie does opening weekend? How do you think it does overall? And do you think because of the bubble that we live in, do you think anybody gives a shit about

the Ezra Miller situation outside of the bubble that we live in the movie news space? First of all, I thought Flash was wildly entertaining. Yeah. It was wildly entertaining. I sat there the whole time with a huge smile on my face. And the thing about Ezra Miller... As good as one other movie. Okay, this is going to seem weird.

especially in the movie. The tone of it, it has nothing to do with this movie at all, but the tone of it felt like back to the future. Okay. You know, where it had real stakes, but it was wildly entertaining. It was funny.

Ezra Miller is great. Emotional. They are great. Emotional. Because there's they and they, because there's two Ezra Millers in the movie, but they're great in it. And they're great in it.

It's very emotional. too. It's very emotional. It had a lot of surprises in it. Like from the very beginning of the movie, I will say this. There was somebody in the movie. I had no idea it was in the movie. For a while. For a lot, like a guest star in the movie. That's not even on the IMDB. Right. And I was like, wow. And I was immediately locked in. Immediately locked in. And I, it was just, I had fun. Yeah, it was, it's good. I had fun, man. I think less people in the country give

a shit about Ezra Miller's for lack of better words, antics, and more people are aware of and care about the fact that D.C. is planning a reboot. So, or whatever they want to. But I don't think the mainstream really knows that, Rox. I don't think, I don't think many, but more people, I think. Sure, then the situation.

Yeah, I think that the, if the viewership is not as high as we're thinking, it's more because people know what's coming on D.C. than the fact that they're upset about what Ezra's done. Because I don't think people give a, seemingly people don't give a flying phone. I also think it jumps back to the point of the nostalgia aspect with Indiana Jones. People are going to want to see Michael Keaton as Batman. And also, this movie, in a way, it kind of is a great place to end and tee up this new DC. Yeah.

People don't know that going into it, though. Right. Well, they're curious about it. Yeah. And it's got stellar reviews. I'm with you that I think that this is going to outperform all of the other movies. I do too. And because the word of mouth that's going to hit with it. And I'll tell you, I want it's a word of mouth that's going to hit with it.

There is a world in which Spider-Man actually beats it, though. There is a world. Because it's a shorter movie, too, Spider-Man, that is. When I saw Fast yesterday, they showed trailers, and they show trailer to Flash. And as I was watching the trailer, I was like, I really, really liked this movie. Like, as I watched it and I saw the images and things and knowing, kind of taking me back to it. I'm like, I really like this movie. I'm not going to see this for a long time.

You're going to see it. No, I'm not here. You're not here during the screenings. Oh, man. I'm so bummed about it. And then I'm going to have to pay for it, which, like, I have palms about. Well, I did it out of the theater for CinemaCon, but because of the stuff that they might have changed or might not, I want to take Brett with me, and I want to do another out of the theater reaction because I want to see if it's new or not. It was. I just thought the movie was really clever.

It was really clever. Well-written. I'm so jillness of you guys right now. I'm the D.C. junkie. I know. It was worth flying to Vegas for that one day. I flew in for one day. Oh, really?

I flew in for one day. Did I not see you at all? I saw you. Yeah, we saw you. Yeah. But I flew in. I flew in just for that morning. And then I stayed overnight at the same place you guys stayed.

And then I took off early in the morning. And I was at, oh, wow. Yeah. And I flew in just for that movie. This is a weird question, but did you guys like Flash better than you like Bumblebee? I think so. And I liked Bumblebee a lot. Yeah, and I like Bumblebee a lot, too.

But I think so. I think there's more, I think that there's, that Bumblebee is easily the most emotional and connected out of all the live action transformers, for sure. sure. Yeah. This movie's got, the Flash,

has a lot of emotional stakes. It was awesome to see Michael Keaton back as Batman. And it also, though, has a lot of heart. I mean, I was surprised. Yeah,

it does. And, you know, when I said it's like back to the future, you have so much fun from the very beginning. It's never oppressive.

It's just, even though there's a lot of stakes. Yeah. It was just fun to watch. I never knew where it had a good balance. It had a good balance. What is your guys's favorite DCEU movie? DC EU

Yeah Not DC So Nolan's stuff doesn't count I still I'm Man of Steel Yeah And did you like this better? I have to see it again

But I can see a world where if I watch it again And I feel the same way I did as I was watching that trailer again going Man I didn't realize how much I liked it until I saw the trailer I said when I saw it that I liked it a lot It could be your favorite DC EU movie I have to see it again though I think it is and I love man Man of Steel. The thing about Man of Steel is

I always say that as much as I love Man of Steel, there's no joy in it. Right. No, when you're a superman and you take flight, right. There should be joy. Or you murder your own father. I understand you guys don't think that's what happened, but that's absolutely what happened. I cannot stand that movie. The Flash is a movie that is full of joy. And it has a better balance

than Man o'Reel. Do you think it's better than Wonder Woman? Yes, I think Wonder Woman's end falls apart. Up until the end, Wonder Woman is a fantastic movie. The end of Wonder Woman just turns into kind of generic superhero movie. Yeah, but it has, Wonder Woman had joy in it. It did. You know?

I thought Wonder Woman was spectacular. I really like that movie a lot. It's just if you're asking me. I mean, compared to, yeah, the three, if I was going to rank right now, because I mean,

I think Rob's point is fantastic. I think it has a much better balance than Man of Steel because of the humor aspect. I would put the Flash right there with Man of Steel right there and then Wonder Woman kind of, and the Flash sticks to landing.

Wait, does the Suicide squad? The Suicide Squad? Yeah, that's DCU. I don't know. I love the suicide squad. I don't know. Because that has a balance. Very good.

That's got a balance. I don't know. The suicide might be up there. People forget the DCU, which I know is not what it's called anymore, but that's what I'm referring to the Snyderverse on as. It has some good movies. It does. Yeah, it does.

For sure. It also has some not good ones. I know. I'll tell you one thing. The Flash would make a great double bill with the suicide squad. Yeah, I know. That's a fun time at the movies. I'm so excited to see what comes next.

But look, it was a pleasure to have you on the show. This was fun, man. Next time you have an opportunity and you want to drive 17 hours. You could probably watch Kills of the Flower and Moon on the way and get here. It was great to see you and hopefully you come back. But tell the good people where to find you in your reason too. Find me on my YouTube channel, The Burr Network. You know, I do a number of shows, Robeservations, which is pretty much my daily show.

Or if you like physical media, let's get physical media every Sunday at 11. There's a reason I sat you right there. I was going to say, I'm very impressed. Yeah. And Roxy, where can I find you? Everywhere at Roxy Stryor. All right, guys. Now, again, for me, I'm telling you, if you can be there, get there.

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