The Kristian Harloff Show - MCU X-Men reboot Writer hired. Spider-Man 4 Director Rumors! Good signs for future of Marvel?

Episode Date: May 24, 2024

Spiderman 4 and XMen are two higly anticipated movies for the MCU. New rumors have a potential director for Spiderman4 at least another name on the list. X-Men has seemed to find its writer. What is the overall future of the MCU moving forward especially if Deadpool and Wolverine deliver? Glen Powell might not be a fit for X-Men after all if the reports are true that he is not intersted in Marvel fare.

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moving to the New York studio. We did a couple of shows already from the New York studio. And we're going to be transitioning into that studio. So we'll do a few more episodes of Capes and Cal's this week, next week, or we will be doing the LA studio. And then we're moving to the New York one. So thanks for joining us here today. Apple Podcast, Spotify, Anywhere Podcasts are found. We have a lot to talk about today. The main topic we're going to discuss is the Spider-Man director, Rumors, Keep on a Chugelan. We have a lot of new rumors. They say that the Batgirl directors are up for it.

They say that Adam Wingard from Kong and Godzilla. He's up for him. There's a lot of other rumors of people who've been up for this role. Who's going to get it? Who knows? And are any of the rumors or any of the directors that are rumored, are they the right fit? So we're going to speculate away.

Glenn Powell, he is the next big superstar. And he's got this movie Hitman that everyone's raving about, come out on Netflix. And so he made a statement that said he is not interested in Marvel. He's not interested in Oscar bait. Is that smart to do? You know, even if you're not interested in it, is it smart to do? I don't know.

We'll talk about that. We've got stuff about the Avengers, the new Avengers movie. Apparently, it's going to be a more grounded film, which is interesting. How's that going to work? And speaking of movies that are going to lead into that, Deadpool and Wolverine shattered ticket sales and is just the billion dollar movie we thought it was going to be.

So we have that. We'll maybe touch up on some X-Men stuff again. But that's the most. Those are the most stories that we're going to talk about unless something else pops up while we're in the middle of it, which is always possible. So if you're brand new to the channel

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It's myself, Winston, Coy. Too shot! Yeah, we have to do the old two shot. Crepping people. I know it is. Well, that's what we were discussing it off air. how people are going to be wondering how that's going to work where you guys, because last week we did a show and you were at your place,

you were at your place, your lighting looked great. Your lighting was better, but your eyes were lighting. I need to learn how to position the actual, like I'm very like a girl in the 90s trying to figure out her makeup camera. I'm just trying to remember what hero you reminded me of where like all of a sudden their eyes just start. Like cat eyes.

Yeah, Starlight. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was like starlight vibes. Yeah, I like that. But don't work. We're working on. Well, we're going to do what we're talking about,

the most likely we're going to do is have Coy be at Winston's place. And Coy and Winston will be in the same room together. So they'll be in studio and I'll be in the New York studio. And, man, people are not forgiving. It's like, I'm like, we're just setting it up. Except the only thing I want to make sure that we have is a working studio. So I'm not missing shows. We move the schedule seven times.

People don't understand. Like it's a work in progress. Exactly. So I'm, so I go, I go to New York and I'm like, I just, I don't want to miss show because when we went to see Furioso, I got a video out that day, but I could, I bet I missed an episode. So I said, we got to get the show running and Brett's like I can get you up and running. This would just get a shot. So he put the shot up and he, and he sets the bricks up in the background.

And then he, and so right away, we get, the first thing is, oh, I like the old studio better. It looks like there's a prison wall and it's just a white background. I'm like, you've got to show that you're watching right now. That's the first thing. And we just started. And then he lit it up in the back to get a little bit more color in it. It's just a brick background. It's not done.

That's the funny thing. I would love to know what people genuinely prefer? Nothing. Radio silence for however long or for you to be somebody's prison for like, a day. You know, it's funny also is that there

were a lot of very positive comments saying it's looking great, the progression is amazing. I'm just saying there were comments of the,

because I don't want, because people are right. Whenever there's are comments, you focus, and these weren't, yeah, it's one negative to 100 positive thing.

And these weren't necessarily hateful comments. These were just people going, I like the other one better, right? And it's just like, relax, but there were,

there were way less of that than the, can't wait to see what this looks like when it's finished candid. There was way more of that. Yeah.

If I've learned anything in the last, like, month or two that I've been, like, really putting energy into my channel and stuff like that, just go and subscribe. I don't know. You do it at the end. You do it at the end. No, I was.

I'm going to do it as much as I can. Look, the walls are coming down. Christian's like, where's that single cuts of coy? I guess he's talking about his page. Also, follow coy as you do. But there you go.

I love that I, I love that I edit this. Go ahead. I like the idea that he cuts to him saying, I love that I edit this, and they have no idea. They assume we usually said some dumbish, but instead it's just as plugging your YouTube. But I, just in that regard where you can have a bunch of really good conversation with people, and people are actually listening and getting, but like hate is a hell of a drug. Oh, that's all you remember.

That people are definitely being like, uh, yeah, you're just blowing out of proportion. You don't know what you're talking about. And while everybody else, like, I was talking about night crawl. I was like, look at the Reverend Kirk Wagner. And someone goes, oh, he's Catholic. He would actually be a bishop. And I'm like, it's a joke. Well, I realize now what I want to.

More for not knowing. What I realize what I want to do now is that have all of these people, everyone, whether or whatever side you're on, just talk to Matt Sarah. Matt Sarah gives no Fs. I was like, we had a whole show that we did. And at one point, I don't remember what he said, but he looks for me. And he goes, don't be nervous. I'm like, something he said, right?

Because he doesn't care. He just says whatever's on his mind. And that's what I mean. And what are you going to say to him? To Matt Sarah. What are you going to say to Matt Sarah? Um, and picture you sent me. I'm like, that is the scariest Yoda.

Like he's just got this, he's the best dude, but fear. So I went, and I talked about it briefly. I went to his, his jiu-jitsu school. Um,

we talked business because I'm, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be running his YouTube channel, which is launched now. Um, and when I was there, we were talking, he,

I just went to the school and like he was, I mean, what, you would, you would have lost your mind. The school, school is awesome in general. Is it close to you?

By, from, from my studio, it's about 20 minutes. with no traffic 30 minutes with. That's great, man. Yeah, and it was, and it was, you know, and it's, it was really,

you can just tell the level of respect, obviously, that he gets. When I was there, watching him just like, you know, looking at the people that were, and everybody was training different levels, and he was showing me, he was like the,

with the people, the people who were just starting out, they're in the geese, and they teach him to, to grapple with the geese because, just like, to get used to it. And then you see, like,

the different levels of fighters, and then his wife was, was sparring, in the cage. And it was like, they have their own cage. It was phenomenal. Wow.

So he has a cage built as well as like, oh, that's cool. It's a phenomenal, phenomenal school. And he was, and he, and when we did the episode yesterday,

he was like, you know, he wanted me to, he wanted me to, when I went there, you want me to roll around on the mat and started to get training. And I'm like,

Brett and I were working all day. And he's like, yeah, you were, you know, you were saying you can do, he's like, that's the only excuse you get,

you get one. The rest of the rest of the mat. I know remember. Which he will definitely remember. I'll tell you that. But that episode that we did yesterday was a lot of fun. I was supposed to get it up on Wednesday, but instead I got it up on,

I got it up this morning. So that's where you're getting, you're getting three videos today on this channel. You're getting the Matt Sarah episode this morning. You're getting, you got the Beetlejuice reaction, and then you're going to get this episode, which will come out a little later.

So lots to talk about. So let's start with this first story, which is the Spider-Man one. All right, let's talk directors here, Marvel Studios is rumored to be eyeing Godzilla and Kong, the new empire, Helmer to direct. Now, there were reports, this is Josh Wilding, over at comic book movie.

Following the reports that Godzilla and Kong, the new Empire Helmer, Adam Wingard, is moving on from the Monsterverse. A new rumor now claims that he's among the filmmakers being eyed for Spider-Man 4. Earlier this week, we learned that Adam Wingard is no longer going to direct the Godzilla and Kong the new empire sequel. He previously helmed Godzilla v. Kong,

but cut his teeth on smaller action movies like You're Next and The Guest. Today, we bring word from Scooper My Time to Shine that Wingard is in the running to Helm Spider-Man 4 for Marvel Studios and Sony. His potential hiring would almost certainly divide opinions, though it's worth noting that Wingard currently has plans to helm a new action thriller Onslaught, which is prepping for a fall shoot. That alone takes him out of the running. The director also seems far more interested in finally bringing Thundercats to the big screen. He says Simon, Brett, and I are still working on that script. We finished our last draft basically when I was going on to production,

and we had to put everything on hold, but right now we're actively working on it again. So whether that means that's the next thing to do, I don't know, but I'm definitely, it's one of the top priorities I have right now in terms of working on a script. And we'll see what happens with Spider-Man 4, but it does seem to be a priority for Sony, obviously. Venom is now rumored to make an appearance. As for who could direct Spider-Man 4, there have been plenty of names floating around. Among them are Justin Lynn, Drew Goddard, D-L-R-B, and Bilal-Falal, is that from the... The Maisel slash Pac-Girl directors.

Okay. Now we can tentatively add Wingard's name to the list. All right. So the movie does not have a release date currently. All right. So out of all these names that popped up that they listed here, too, I don't love the choices. I love the directors, I respect them for what they've done. Sure.

my choice out of all of those is Goddard. I think Goddard would be great. Goddard would be my choice amongst Danny List, personally. I think Goddard is actually a perfect name for this between Captain of the Woods, bringing Daredevil to Netflix. He's been a big Spider-Man fan forever. He actually wrote a spec. Well, I think it was officially acquired,

but they never made anything from it of the Sinister Six, like 10 years ago. So Godard's been in the Spider-Man. Yeah, he's been in the Spider-Man conversation forever. So I think he's actually- Spider-Man one, he wrote that. The Sinister Six. No, no, no, no, no, no, but that was, you're talking about. It would have been Garfield.

Right, right, right. So what was being teed up with Paul Jimani in that god-awful rhino costume? But he wrote it before, if I remember correctly, before Amazing Spider-Man 2, Amazing Spider-Bin 2 is trying to get to the point where his script could come to play. Got it. Got it. But he's a huge Spider-Man fan. He's also in the, like, Joss Whedon era of comic fans that came up to make movies. So I think that's kind of what Marvel could use is the time when this all got started,

it felt like they were hiring filmmakers that went, hey, I love this character, please let me make this. And now it's more of the time of like, hey, I'm a popular director and I want to buy a new house. So I think it's more important to do a smaller film from a dedicated filmmaker than make a film that's got a pedigree of their last box office hit. I'd rather see someone that loves the character and is super capable than someone that just has bank. I totally agree. I mean, that's why the movies that have had directors and writers that feel that way have been successful. and the ones that they're like, right.

And then the ones that you're like, hey, yo, I'm a good ass director. I could do this. Like, most of them don't plug and play right now. Right. They don't necessarily, because like I would even give the argument that for Ramey, the way they brought him in from a multiverse of madness and all that, it's because he lost Erickson and you're trying to figure something out.

And like, we've seen what he's done with Spider-Man before. So like, go for it. Why not? It didn't necessarily always feel like he was super connected to it. And when you go back and watch what he did with him, Spider-Man, it's clear that he cared. He cared a lot. And when you talk to him now about Spider-Man,

you're more likely to get, like, a 20-minute monologue about anything than, like, Sam Ramey's such a private, quiet guy, except about Spider-Man. Or Evil Dad are the things. But it feels like he wants to be there to the point where he showed up at the Spider-Man 2 screening in Burbank. So I just think that you need someone like that again, and I personally think Goddard is.

That said, the Backgirls directors did Miss Marvel, or some of the episodes of Miss Marvel, some of the better ones. I like that show, but there are definitely episodes that didn't sing quite as much for me. They clearly get the small town, um,

young hero with too much on their shoulders. Like, Miss Marvel is effectively this generation's Peter Parker, Spider-Man in so many ways. I think Miles Morales is a beautiful amalgamation of, uh, what Miss Marvel represents and what a 60s Peter Parker represents. But I would argue Miss Marvel is what they wanted to do with that Silver Age Spider-Man flavor.

And they captured that as directors. Obviously, I never got to see Back Girl. but what great redemption for them. That's my problem, though. That's my worry. That's my worry. My worry is that Marvel does this sometimes

and be like, you know, we can be the good guys here and give them. Oh, it's for the sake of. And give them the movie because we want to make sure that like everyone was behind them saying, you know, you guys need to do this movie. And then they give them the movie. And then it turns out that Batgirl was a crap piece

and this is too. However. We just never know. We just never know. The thing is that those directors, they did some of Miss Marvel. Correct. And there's a lot of Miss Marvel.

that I liked, right? And then, as you were saying, there's some of it that was, okay. The superhero portions of Miss Marvel was the stuff I was just like just seemed about as generic as generic gets. It was the family stuff that I liked and the grounded stuff.

And if they could bring that, what they brought to the episodes that they did. Because there was also, Sharmine, she made a boy, is that, has, I can't remember, I'm so bad with names right now, but the woman that's also doing Star Wars. I don't know Star Wars at all.

But she's doing the Ridley movie. But anyway, so the Daisy Ridley, she's doing the Ray movie. She also did Ms. Marvel. Yes, yes, yes. That's by the name of the series. So anyway, that series, I'm curious, though, like, because they worked with them so they know when they can carry it. I just feel that Goddard would be a much better choice out of those names.

As far as Wingard goes, there's a list. Yeah, and they put him on the list. He's busy is the guy. We talked about fall, we talked, but he's not going to be. He wants to do Thundercats and he should do Thundercats because it's the same point that you just made. Passion for the person. He cares.

Also, the Goddard point, tying to Miss Marvel point, I think that Miss Marvel directors could be great because it seems like John Watts would have been the guy if Sony got their way and it stayed epic. Remember they were saying like Sony wants to be epic and like multiversal

stay with John Watts. So it sounds like we are going contained. That said, I would hope that the director has a vision they've had for a while because of the expectations being so high that a contained movie doesn't feel cheap. It feels intentional.

What bothers me so much with Sony trying to push that so hard, it reeks of DCEU desperation, and that if you had given the DCU time to flush itself out in like a normal manner, instead of being like we need to go from zero to 100 immediately because we have to catch Disney, that's where you run into trouble. You have seen already that some of the,

stuff that you've done on your own has not worked. So why are you trying to force feed this instead of letting this work the way that it has been and give it time? Yeah. That, that to me is where you're about to run into some major trouble because this is the same thing we've been complaining about with tech giants getting involved in Hollywood so much. It's like, here's half a billion.

Give me my two billion back in returns. Yeah. Instead of here's half a billion. I want you to go make 10, 15 movies and use that to, like, give me. me might too. If you actually do that and give people time to cook, you'll get the food, the meal that you want.

But if you're like, I want it all now. But I think that's what the back and forth is with Sony and Marvel and the MCU right now. I think they're going to come to terms as far as what they want for this. It's just, as I said, with Wingard, someone got a hold of a list.

This is what they used to do when I was at, when I was at Silver. It's so funny, too. It's a list. It's like, okay, let's put together a list of the people that we want. Well, and what Sony will do is Sony will say,

whoa, that Godzilla and Kong that thing was only made for $1.25 and it made a lot of money. Put that guy in the list. Of course they're going to be Star Meter approach. It's such a silly. Yeah, and he's like, I'm doing Thundercats. Let me alone.

And so, and if you're a reporter, you do report on whoever's on the list. Of course you do. But I don't think WindGuard's going to be anywhere near it. I think that if Marvel really wants to get the best of both worlds here and if they get a grounded piece, if they get the street level of the one they want,

or if they don't, God, it would be great for all those. But I ask you guys, what do you think? Do you believe that any of these names are going to be the name that shows up? Or do you think it's going to be someone who doesn't even know yet? And is God or the right choice or the directors of Backguard the right choice? Is it, should Wingard be doing this? What do you say?

Put your comments in there. Staying with Spider-Man, by the way. Coy had mentioned how Sam Ramey showed up to one of those screenings of Spider-Man 2, whatever. And then I was walking by the theater. one of these things that Spider-Man 3 was playing. Those both did really well. The re-releases for those movies did really well. Well, what did not do well was Spider-Man Homecoming.

They did a re-release for Spider-Man, and it says it nets the lowest re-release box office yet as Spidey's first MCU movie returns to theaters. Spider-Man Homecoming returned to theaters, but it had a disastrous opening day, grossing significantly less than all of the WebSlinger's previous re-releases. As part of a Sony celebration of Columbia's 100th anniversary, every live-action Spider-Man movie swung back into theaters.

Dropping every Monday as part of the Spider-Mundays, we've seen over the past five weeks, there's been a real appetite among moviegoers to see the wall crawler back on screen. Unfortunately, Homecoming webbed up the lowest box office hall to date with a disappointing only 285,000 on opening day. With 466 theaters in the U.S. screening the movie that works out to a far from a major,

$612 per theater. Some will likely jump on the news to tear into the MCU, forgetting that Marvel Studios actually saved Spidey back in 2017. Understandably, there's less interest in seeing Tom Holland's Spider-Man back on the screen because he's not been gone that long. Sam Ramey's Spider-Man trilogy and even the Amazing Spider-Man movies have a sense of nostalgia around them, which this reboot is only seven years old. It doesn't.

There's also a lot younger Spider-Man fans who've never seen Toby McGuire and Andrew Garfield do their thing as Peter Parker in a theater before release. Still, for context, it's important to note that Spidey's other movies opened significantly higher than this one. The first number is their opening day, and the second is what they've earned since. Spider-Man, 683,000-946,000. Spider-Man 2, 809,000, 1.1 million. Spider-Man 3, 760,000, 1 million.

The Amazing Spider-Man, 511,694. The Amazing Spider-Man 2,500,000. 676. Spider-Man Homecoming made $82 million when it opened in 2017. It's got a 92% on Rotten Tomatoes. So next up for the re-release is Spider-Man, Far from Home. We'll see how that one does. So there's a lot there that Wilding rights that I agree with 100%.

I think this is absolutely because these movies, first of all, they're all on Disney Plus. They popped out right away. No Way Home or, or what was it? No Way Home is the last one. Homecoming is the first one. No Way Home. was the last one. No way home is is only three years old or whatever it might be.

The nostalgia, the see Toby McGuire and Andrew Garfield back on the big screen is something people wanted to see. And I do think, but there is a little added to the MCU is kind of like, okay, I get it, I get it. And you have those old school movies that you could see back in the years. The same reason why the Phantom Menace just came back out and that crushed also. So I think that Wilding kind of nails it in this report. I think that it's added to all of it, but I don't know. then what do you say? I just say I respect, obviously, the reporting on this, but I think anybody that's making this a big deal, why?

In the sense that, like, one, it's not like these other re-releases were busting out $10 million on their release, and this did $250. Like $250 from like $500 and $700 is not that much. It really isn't that big of a difference, and I think the biggest thing to keep in mind is exactly what you said. everybody that is a Spider-Man fan right now is very familiar with Tom Holland because he has been the role since this movie came out since Civil War and has been a centerpiece.

So again, I'm sure people have seen it a million times in recent memory. I would not be surprised if both like what far from home and no way home don't do nearly as well as the other. The only one I could see maybe just going bananas again is no way home. And that's just because of how big of a hype machine that was. people might be my last time to see it in theaters again. Why not? But otherwise, I just, I don't think it's as big of a deal as it's being put out there.

It's also a re-release. You know what I'm saying? You didn't spend any money on production. You had to spend whatever money to get it back in theaters, but nothing probably to write home about. Also, it takes only five bucks each. Like most, most theaters. Like, it's five bucks. So, like, it's, I've been at both amazing Zan homecoming.

I've been at the last three of the last six. and my screen was 70 to 80% full for Homecoming, it was almost 100% full for both Amazings. And that's just one of those 700 screens, but it isn't that big of a difference because the dollar amount is so small. Right. And it just came out.

The movie was a seven, I know seven years goes a long time. I do think money-wise, for the fact that you're putting it back in theaters, I do think it is a little bit more than what you guys are saying as far as, it's significant. Because of it's a re-release, it's significant, but it's not significant in the way that it's hurtful to the MCU or hurtful to...

Oh, I don't think it's about the MCU. Or it means people aren't interested in Tom Holland anymore. No, that's what I'm saying. I think the number is fairly significant, fairly, but like it isn't a testament to anything about the future. Right, exactly. That's more what I'm getting at because what it felt like with the buildup, and again, not on the reporting, but just kind of how, I guess, people are supposedly presenting it is this idea of like, oh, is Tom? I'm done, which is silly in the sense that again, not a new movie. How many other new movies are out there right now?

We are already having a conversation about like, wow, how did a movie as good as fall guy, not do well? What happened there? Like if eventually got there, but if was like seeing some issues the first few days. Like we're already having these conversations where you're looking at people's attentions are split. Conversations last three days. So the fact that it's an ongoing series still and we were seemingly just talking about

it not that long ago. We're ongoing talking about Tom and his role. We're not talking about Andrew Garfield as much. So I feel like those two things spiked the conversation. We're not talking about Toby as much. Spiked the conversation plus nostalgia, plus the kids that weren't alive to be in theaters. Like, there's a lot more reasons. On top of that, how many times has this movie been in theaters? You do not remember that then when Infinity War and Endgame came out, they did whole marathons to go re-watch the MCU, so we're acting like it hasn't been re-released already previously. My own experience was I left the theater and I usually do like a tweet of like, oh, what was that like this time? And I was like, I feel like, I feel like,

I haven't done this recently. Right. I didn't have anything new to say. And I feel like a lot of people didn't have anything new to say. That is a great point though. It's a great point of there's really not much new to say to that because you, you've done it. Like Amazing Spider-Man 2 went up a full half star for me. Like because it had been so long and I definitely judged it harshly.

And I still don't think it's amazing. But I do think, but I do think without the parent subplot, it could have been. And I had much more data-driven, like, superhero movie facts. It's like we've lived in this age for 20 years now of like superhero cinema. 2008 was was staggeringly what, like 16 years ago. So I think that's a different time to be reflecting on Amazing Spider-Band, whereas reflecting on the present is never going to be as insightful. Like when did this, this was Monday that Homecoming came out?

I was trying to think of the stuff that's been going on. Oh, World's on Five. Like not only that, but like there's been other things for the last few weeks. So like I'm actually very much impressed that the other Spider-Man film did what they did, just knowing how much, not just movies, but entertainment people have been jacked into. Yeah. Watching X-Men 97, people that have been, like,

into, like, Caitlin Clark and, like, watching that go on. The rap beef that's been going on. Like, you have a bunch of other shows that are about to come out in the boys and the bear. And, like, Deadpool and Wolverina. So, like, this idea that any particular thing, unless it's something that's so monumental and it's some brand new thing that's coming out, or it's, like, the God, because, well, I take it. that back the godfather didn't do very good if i remember correctly box office wise like uh like a year

two years ago i don't think it did very well though box office wise if i remember correctly i don't know well anyway so there's there's a lot to be said about this and we want to hear your thoughts on it from the directors potential directors to spider-man re-release is it a big deal do you think that it actually has something to do with the fact that people are getting tired with the mcc or is this just much to do about nothing. Put your comments in there. Let us know. I always have a feeling like, what would, I have this argument. What do you think this is? Color wise. Oh, it's like a sage green. Yeah, it's the worst transition ever. Two green things that I can tell you about. Green chef and Greenland. I got to tell you guys both. Let's go green with Green Chef and Greenlight. I'm excited to tell you

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Phantom Menace did really well again because the movie has... It's been longer than it, isn't it? Was it 99? It was 29, yeah, it was 25 years. So, but yeah, 25 years. It's already enough years, Christian. No, 25 years. And then you want to see it like these re-releases of certain movies when you put them back in theaters

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And it'd been like three months. In 20 years when people realized the undiscovered gem, it'll be back. No, it won't. In 2042. No. Oh, 242. Oh, my goodness. All right, well, we got more to talk about here in 2022.

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Confusing. I'll tell you that. It's confusing, and it's also, for me, hard to tell until I see Deadpool and Wolverine. You know what I mean? is that's really going to serve up, you hope. What is possible? What's going to be the new world? Because someone had mentioned this,

we were talking about Deadpool and Wolverine on the show with Sarah and myself, and someone in the comments said, listen, don't forget, even if this movie does really well, it doesn't mean that the MCU is back because you look at Guardians. Guardians had a great box office and people loved it. And then the MCU just kept still going down the tubes. And I said, well, the difference with that is that movie was not connected to the overall moving forward in the MCU, where Deadpool and Wolverine is like, if it doesn't work, your story's over.

Because it is the catalyst of what's happening now into this MCU. The minute you brought the TV into it, that became, that became, it is a thousand percent connected. Yeah. You, you, what, like, I'm trying to, the only direct connection that you got out of Guardians three is that, go. Gamora is the past Gamora that is now with the team. Right. Other than that and the fact that they are in the MCU, we don't make any other major references to anybody else doing anything.

We are just focused on the contained story of this team essentially, like, ending their run and what they're doing. So, yeah, I don't, I don't, Deadpool and Wolverine definitely needs to connect. And I think I'm just not interested in what, the next Avengers movie is going to do until I understand where we're going. I got a potentially hot take. It's a little cynical.

I don't think the MCU can come back in the way that everyone's saying things are back in the lexicon of we're back because if everything's back, nothing's back. And at this point, nothing can be as consistent in the minds of people as their nostalgia-lensed view of the first three phases.

There were highs and lows in the first three phases, but now in hindsight, everyone thinks it was perfect. And thus, if you're looking at the present, the present is never going to feel as good as the past. And so if a movie does well, it's going to have an asterisk next to it

because people are always going to go, well, what's next? And if a show does well, people are always going to go, yeah, but that one wasn't as good before. I don't think we ever reach the joy of actually enjoying this again. I think we can enjoy it personally.

I think we can, on this show, share our joy with it. But last year, three of the top 10 domestic box office movies were comic book movies. And this is the year everyone's saying like, well, it's over. I don't think the societal expectations are reachable. And I don't think the conversation is able to be as positive as it used to be. We used to celebrate these things just for existing.

That's no longer the culture. Now we, it's people, the only thing people like more than an underdog is seeing an empire fall. So I think people would be more happy to see it fail and we'll talk about that more. even when it does well. Like I think it's going to make a billion two or more, but then people are going to be like, well, I'm glad that's out because that wasn't really a movie. It was a Ryan Reynolds movie.

Now I'm looking for to Cap 4, and then they're going to complain or not about that leaving the Thunderbolts. I agree and disagree at the same time. I agree with you just definitely, very similar to what we talked about earlier with the comments about the studio. You're certainly, you're always going to get comments about negativity

and no matter what it is. Endgame had comments about negativity, but it's a matter, it's always been a matter of like majority and does the majority, who sounds the loudest, right? And not just because a lot of times negative comments will sound loud, but really when you like analyze it, you go, well, no. If you look at like endgame and Infinity War, those are universally like loved films, right?

And that was during the time that you're talking about where people were very excited about this and all that. I don't agree that no matter what, if they got things back on track and it was a story that everybody was into that we couldn't enjoy it the same way, I do think that the writing has taken a hit. I do think that even when you had Chepec come in and put too much stuff out there

and it didn't seem as special anymore, I think that diluted the product. I don't disagree by that. I don't think any of that's untrue and I don't think Marvel is performing as consistently. But don't think, though, if they, let's say, let's say, because as I said before, if Deadpool nails it,

it doesn't mean everyone's, and you're right. Not every, people, even if everyone loves it, you're not going to say, Marvel's back, MCU's back, that's not going to happen, because if Captain America comes out in February, what's the name of the movie now? I thought it was New World. Is it not?

It's not New World. Brave New World. Right, right. It was New World Order at one point, right? So Brave New World, if that comes out and it's not good, and the rumors have been that test screenings weren't great, and so they're doing reshoots on it. Then we're going to get right back to the same conversation.

Right. And it's going to be like, oh, they had Deadpool, but they couldn't follow it up. What Marvel used to do very well is follow it up. And that's why people were like, I'm excited about it. Because if everyone loves this, and then the next one's a dud,

and then the next one's just okay, if Thunderbol's comes out and is a property that not a lot of people are familiar with, and that crushes it, if you can go one, two, three, four, and then get right to the Avengers, then you have an opportunity to get that kind of excitement back.

I think that, what you described, is possible, but I don't think the universe, universally beloved conversation will come back. I think that even if we hit four in a row and we all agree in the comic space, I don't know if people will have the conversation in the same just sheer joy way, because I think that the way critical analysis changed. Do you know what I mean?

Like, I think they could all make $600 million in a billion dollars. But I just also think there's, I think there's fact to that. But I also think that there's good, people are excited about stuff and people, like, you look at like, look at Game of Thrones, okay? People were not excited about that last season. But then House the Dragon was like, right. And that's the thing is you could essentially have that conversation.

Like, we're never going to get back to the way that the Game of Thrones conversation was because people were so excited about it. And now it just, I don't think we're going to get back to that place where everyone loves. But then you put a show out in that same world in a different time period. My only pushback is because you could take this out. Because since we've taken it outside of comic book movies at this point. Sports. It doesn't even have to be sports.

Okay. We can stick with TV. I thought Game of Thrones and House of Dragon was a great example. Unless something is pretty much flawless, hate has been too commoditized at this point. Of course. And so because of that, it literally has to be something that you can find virtually no flaws.

And in the past, we can look at... Nothing's hate-proof. Yes, but like, for example, the bear, there are little things. here and there where you could like if you wanted to be critical you could go there's but but it is so close to flawless I haven't heard me hate on it but the bears an audience of this even as big as the show is compared to the Avengers is this which all of this right well that but that but that was my

point before with with majority like when even you look again going back to house the dragon sure there's some people who are going to give hit when you look at that show and you say okay like mandolorean season one and season two the majority is you're going to get a lot of people who love that show season three not so much right and it's a matter of You know, and then the hate will start because, and that is like such a, what have you done for me lately type thing for the way this business runs because like one and two, people loved it. And then three,

they didn't love and then now start, now the mandolian sucks is what everybody said. I think the other problem that we're running into, and this is where I actually appreciate, I thought I would never say this, but I really appreciate how the Brits handle like TV. And with the exception of like Doctor Who, stuff has a very short life of like when,

like, the series is typically like, oh, we did like two seasons and that's it. Right. You know? And so I think part of the problem too is when you hit that kind of high, all of a sudden people expect you to be at that high 24-7. And that's more what I'm speaking to is I don't think if Dark World Ant-Man or Incredible Hulk came out today, it would be the same like, oh, it's over.

And then- Which Ant-Man? I think either for this audience, with the modern audience, those movies are very, very good. I like Amman, Two More Than One. I'm a Weirdo. I know, you heard me. But I think that there's a more intense scrutiny on it because it is the empire. It's not a scrappy underdog anymore. It's not like, oh my God, how did we make comics?

And I'm just worried that now that it's seen that peak, I don't know if the audience or if the general population, which ties into our next story of Glenn, if that will allow audiences to experience the joy of just accepting a win. Because this X-Men win has an asterisk of, yeah, but it's animated, yeah, but it's a new team. The Deadpool's going to have an asterisk. And Loki is like, yeah, but it's the same thing, though. Yeah, but it's the same, but it's the same, but it's the same thing.

It's a matter, well, the Guardians is a different argument because like I said, you're, it's not, it isn't tied, that's almost, it's tied to the old stuff and it's finishing up a trilogy. And I think that's a fair criticism. I'm just saying criticism. I'm saying every win has an asterisk. Yeah, sure, but it's just a matter of the, as we said before with majority. It's like how big is the Astros. Right.

When you comes to, if it's Deadpool, we're thinking, oh, it's a Ryan Reynolds movie and doesn't, it doesn't move the story forward. And if that seems to be coming like, if you look at it, like, it's every other comment. That's what the majority of people are saying that it just felt like cameo city. And even us were like, yeah, it was pretty cameo heavy. And the story wasn't that strong. It starts to become a fair criticism, right? Because if it gets louder. But if there's a few people, if most people like that was said, like, No Way Home is an example where you will see that.

There's most people love that movie. I think it was great. And then there are certainly those comments of like, oh, without the relying on Toby and Andrew, that movie's nothing. I've seen that comment many times. Plenty times, I don't agree with that. But it's not the majority. Right.

The majority is that movie is beloved and that they really dug it. So it's just, and then what we'll tie into the last story is how will four partner off with three. And that's also what Tom Holland was saying. It's a reason why they're trying to find the right team. My only concern is that I think we all agree that on the scale of Marvel, the Marvels is one of their, in my opinion, not as quality films. Yeah.

And it made 200 and something. something million dollars, which is more money than the four through ten top 10 grossing movies of the year so far this year because of where the theater industry is. But they spend it, but they spent so much money. But they had to spend 400 miles to get there. So they lost half their money. But I'm saying even the size of that audience is as much as the rest of it. I'm just worried about the size of it. So, well, I think the other point for that is, is Black Adam. Yeah. Black Adam made almost $500 million dollars whatever it did. And it was, it was either a loss or it was barely broke even or whatever it was because of the

Got to 500 by the time I was down. It was something in the 400s. I think it was like 470. But it was because of the money that they spent on it, it was a ridiculous amount of money. And we've talked about it. His 824th English, it was right though.

It does. I actually had Matt Sarah react to that picture. Is that in the episode? Yeah. Because he knows Mark Kerr. Oh, that's so special. So he had never seen, he had never, he told a great story about Mark Kerr on that, on that episode.

And I'm actually going to, I think I'm going to clip that video out. That sounds genius. Yeah. And like, um, But yeah, he talked about it and he had seen it because I wanted to get his initial reaction to it because he hadn't seen the shot. He said, whoa, he thought, well, I'll let you see it.

Okay, yeah, I'll check it out. That sounds great. But anyway, okay, so put your comments in. Because we talked to a lot of stuff there, man, about not only just the Avengers, but the kind of the future of Marvel and the audience and how they're responding to it. And I think it was a pretty, everybody had really valid points here. And I'm curious where you guys stand. That's what I love about this show in particular,

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He's so good in that. And I haven't seen that movie he did with Sidney Sweeney, but people are split. Anyway, he's got this new movie Hitman coming out and Twisters. People are loving this movie, Hitman. I don't know if anybody's seen Twisters yet, but anyway, apparently he has no interest in starring in Marvel Fair. Glenn Powell is a fan favorite pick to play Cyclops in the upcoming X-Men reboot,

but the highly in-demand actor reportedly has no interest in starring in Oscar Bait or Marvel Fair. Thanks to his standout role as Hangman in Top Gun Maverick and the success of his recent rom-com, anyone but you, Glenn Powell is on his way. It becomes one of the most highly in-demand actors in Hollywood. When any actor starts to make waves, it also seems inevitable that the superhero movie offers

will start coming in, and Powell has emerged as a fan favorite to play Cyclops in the upcoming X-Men reboot. Despite made-up rumors to the contrary, Powell hasn't met Kevin Feigy about potentially playing Scott Summers, but even if the opportunity was to present itself down the line, it doesn't sound like he'd be interested.

While speaking to Powell about his career, the Hollywood reporter reveals that he was offered to take roles in the upcoming Born Identity reboot and the new Jurassic World movie. Before noting that the actor is as definitive about what he won't do, pandering Oscar Bate for one, but also Marvel Fair, as he is about what he will. There are no direct quote,

attributed to Powell himself, so there's always a chance he's not quite as adamant about staying away from the MCU as the article suggests. Powell did, however, explain why he decided to pass on Jurassic World Four. Jurassic is one of my favorite movies. It's one of the things I wanted to do my whole life, and I'm not doing that movie because I read the script, and immediately I was like, my presence in this movie doesn't help it. And the script's great. The movie's going to effing kill. It's not about that.

It's about choosing where you're going to make an audience happy and where you're going to make yourself happy. So it wasn't always the case. Powell can afford to be picky about projects. That's the funniest part about this moment, he said. I've worked really hard for a long time, putting together and just trying to get them in shape enough for people to give a shit. Then you get to a place where people are like, yeah, let's do it. And suddenly you're playing musical chairs with yourself. You're like, wait, do I sit in all these chairs right now? His new movie comes out on June 7th.

The thing that gets me with this is that before people start jumping down the geistrode and saying, oh, you're cramping on a movie audience and you don't even, We don't want you because that's what happens anytime. Whether it's Scorsese, whoever, you say something about the movies and people will go after you. And on that same side of it, I think sometimes it's silly for people to say things like that, as opposed to just saying, I have to see what's out there. But the reason why I say, let's wait, because as they say in this article, there's no direct quote from him that says that. It's just that people that, whether it's around a circle or whoever it is saying that he's not interested in doing it,

It very well could be that he doesn't, and he had a very good answer for why he didn't want to do Jurassic World Four. You ask him about Marvel, and he might say, well, look, the thing is, I don't necessarily know if I want to commit to a big 10-year thing. I'm a big fan of those movies, but I don't know if I want to do that. It's not like this nose up in the air. This stuff stinks. I'm not doing it, which also might be the case.

But there's no direct quote. So I can't really judge the guy on this. Until people start presenting me with quote, like full quotes and not sound bites, but the whole thing, I've decided that I'm just stop listening. Yeah. So like, again, I'm not going to take this super far away, but like there has been, I'm a big basketball fan. There's been a lot of conversation, again, about Caitlin Clark and people saying, oh, these WMBA players are actively hating on her.

Yeah. And I was like, okay, present quotes. I would love to know it. And the only one that people continue to bring up is one player that just said she's a rookie. She's going to be a rookie, so she's going to see some growing pains. That's, I'm paraphrasing, but that's what it is. And people love to say that that's hate. They're like, oh, you're just jealous of her.

That's no, that's real. That's real. So unless someone can present a Glenn Powell quote being like, Marvel, oh, Scott Summers, what a trash character. I'm not doing that. Then I'm not, no. I think it's really funny that, I mean, I talked at length a minute ago about like how Marvel is perceived.

And it's funny that even with this fatigue and this conversation, about Marvel. This is a Jurassic quote hidden under the headline of a Marvel quote. Like this literally didn't even mention Marvel, but because that's the conversation, everybody's like, how do I make this about something else to get this quote to get clicks? Well, to be fair, he didn't even mention Marvel. The article was on comicbookmovie.com. But it worked. Yeah.

I've seen this trending on Twitter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's beyond just our source. It's a conversation. Right, right, right. ComicBooks.com is the place to run this with content. It was more. I see your point.

was more so the fact that Jurassic World is really the story. That's what they're talking about. That's really the story is Jurassic World and that's a billion dollar movie. That's my point. I'd say if you look at the top 10 movies, Jurassic is the same conversation. I wouldn't click on it. And they've done better. They've done better recently than Marvel movies. And still it's a Marvel headline. So I just think it's

interesting that we're living in a time where we're claiming a thing but still that's what gets people to discuss it. That said I think Glenn is not disrespectful even to the Jurassic franchise in this quote. The only time you've ever seen me angry at someone speaking out against Marvel is when they're disrespectful. I have no problem with people saying, hey, that's not for me.

Not for me. Not the thing I want to work. Or I had a bad experience. Or yeah, even Ray Winston, or I believe, his quote was like, this wasn't my experience. But when like someone who's revered like Scorsese, someone who is admired for their, like he is cinema. The man, I mean, the meme notwithstanding. He is cinema. What he's done for movies isn't fair for him to say.

this is not cinema to roller coaster ride when he got those same comments making gangster movies when they weren't in fashion. So the only time I have a problem with these quotes when it's disrespectful, he's even respectful to Jurassic Park

while turning it down saying scripts great, I'm just focused on scripts that are gonna be affected by my being in them or not. So I think this is perfectly fair. I think the dude is clearly a movie star for reason because show business takes both things. There's a lot of actors

that Hollywood tried to make happen that didn't happen. Glenn's happening because he's good at business and is a very talented, charming actor because of his choices. This is going to work out, but he didn't like say screw Marvel, so I think it's funny that it's like a Marvel thing. And the two things that immediately come to mind for me is both a, how many major names have we seen tied to Marvel that nothing has come of it

or we don't know what's kind. So, so Kit Harrington, Charlize Theron, Harry Styles. John Carlos Spacito recently. John Carlos Spacito. But I'm not even talking to people that haven't shot anything. I'm saying we've seen them in post credits and nothing has come of it. So until we have a roadmap, even though I don't have a quote of him saying this, I wouldn't blame anybody being like, until I know where you're going,

I don't know if I necessarily want to attach to something because then there's scheduling issues. There's all sorts of stuff that may be coming out of that. And then finally, the other thing, this is the part where I realize I really am going into my uncle phase, bro. Y'all out here wanting AI and you can't even handle non-quotes from people. Hell no. You don't get no damn. bad we got AI at home all right we're not doing this this is yeah um it's true so curious what you guys think about this as far as the comments from glen powell do you think that it is

something again much to do about nothing do you think that he said it you think even if he did who curse what do you think put your comments in there um all right i'm gonna let my co-hosts pick the next story because i got two that i think are pretty good um and maybe we can get to them both but if not we'll just get to the first one, do there's either the X-Men reboot has his official screenwriter or Todd McFarland

says that Spawn is still happening. I feel like we've had the Todd conversation and I don't not believe it. I just feel like that's the same conversation for three years. I'm gonna go X-Men, but what do you think? Because I'm excited for Spawn

and I got plenty of the same, but I think X-Men is actual new news. Yeah, I think you got to know with the writer. Well, there we go. Let's do that then. Okay, so the X-Men reboot, man. Some news that came out the other day. This is from Comic Movie.com. Exciting news to share.

After months of searching, Marvel Studios has found a writer for its upcoming reboot of the X-Men franchise. X-Men 97 has left more fans excited than ever before to see a live-action take on the mutant team. Movies like Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and the Marvels have offered a glimpse of what the heroes could look like in the MCU with Deadpool and Wolverine. to do the same later this summer. The difference, though, is that those are 20th Century Fox variants of the X-Men. What Marvel Studios does with its long-awaited reboot will be different. And if X-Men 97 is any indication, we're in store for something truly special. Now, with San Diego Comic-Con and D-23 fast approaching,

deadline has confirmed that The Hunger Games, the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes writer, Michael Leslie, is in talks to write the X-Men reboot. They later say he's officially boarding the project, meaning the movie has its writer. No director or cast members are attached and the movie remains undated. Before getting too caught up in what Leslie's involvement means for the X-Men, one only needs how to look

at how many writers have worked on the Fantastic Four. That alone suggests many others can contribute to the final draft of the screenplay as is so often the Marvel Studios way. X-Men became an immediate priority for Kevin Feige after last year's writer's strike, but he and other executives have taken their time and met with numerous candidates. The decision to go with Leslie

has reportedly made late last week. Next, Marvel Studios will begin searching for a director. Ryan Cougar remains the rumored frontrunner. Leslie's other credits include the original reportedly much better Assassin's Creed script, Macbeth, and the Little Drummer Girl. He's also attached to the next installment in the Now You See Me franchise. While we don't want to make too many assumptions, the fact that Leslie did such a great job writing a young diverse cast

in the Hunger Games prequel seems to suggest the X-Men reboot will focus on the mutants as teens. The X-Men are as solid and as rich as a great concept of characters as exist. Like he said in his latest update about plans for the team last November, there's a return to the animated series we're excited about.

I saw some final episodes and they're going to bring you back to the core. And then in live action, people will see, perhaps soon. So did you guys, either one of you guys see the latest Hunger Games movie? Yeah, I loved it. I really liked it a lot. And you know what do I really liked about it?

The writing. Same. I was thinking the same. That's what my girlfriend said. She watched, we were coming back from Boston from a wedding, and she was like, I'm just going to watch The Hunger Games movie. I was like, no, I'm okay. I'm going to watch something else.

And then after what she was like, she was crying. She was laughing. She was like, this was a very well-written film. I think you should watch it. It was good. It's young adult Planet of the Apes in the genre. Like, I feel like the Planet of the Apes movie come out. They're huge, and then they just kind of like go away.

And then the next comes out and you like, I like, those apes movies. It just made you understand snow. And also, I think, better than most. the writing of how he got to be from where he was to who was really well done. I mean, the performance. You cared about sporting characters because they didn't have a lot of screen time, but the writing was so good.

You knew their arcs. You cared about the villains. That kid in X-Men. Yeah. Where's he been? He's great that guy. He was so good. But the writing was a highlight in a,

in a age of writing not standing out all the time, especially in a spectacle film. That's a full-on blockbuster. And that was, I kept thinking about how this surprised me, because Hunger Games is beloved to a certain demo, and I was worried bringing it back with the cash grab. And then I realized like, no, no, their script was amazing.

And Lionsgate now has a revitalized franchise, not some like, oh, we should go back to the well. I really hope that now that we're post-strike and everything and knowing that people are feeling some type of way that we put more emphasis and we put more like praise on good writing. I don't think it happens because like American fiction, for example, was fantastic and won an Oscar for a reason. And yet it felt like nobody really ever talked about it. and it genuinely was probably one of the best written films in the last two to three years. It was my number four last year and last year I thought it was stacked. It was a great example. It's hard.

It's hard with that one. It's a Godzilla minus one. Gohundredia minus one. Yeah. Godzilla minus one is a great example as well because that is all about the writing and it's all about character development. So I think having this guy do X-Men, that gives me a lot of hope. I also want to defend. I've seen a lot of kickback.

A lot of people. And actually, my slight cynicism, no, it was full of cynicism. It was my cynicism earlier about Marvel and perception is based off this announcement. I've never seen more people ready to hate a movie. That doesn't come out for another two years at least. Really? Oh, dude. For half my comments.

Because the writer. Stupid. Because I think it's popular to hate on Marvel. Well, no, no. It's not just that. And I'm going to pick on you a little bit. This goes back to our conversation at Collier Live. Is this the Pattinson?

When Pattinson came up and Pattinson. Why am I getting dragged into this? Because I've always loved Pattinson. It's Batman. Because there's an example that you were not in the minority of people that when that announcement came up. I mean, I had a joke about it. The first thing that people say is it, the Twilight Kid playing Batman? And I said to Winston, watch what's going on.

And same thing. But look at, I mean, but Winston didn't want to watch Hunger Games. It's just, that's not my thing. Yeah. And you didn't watch it. So people will say right away, Hunger Games, and you're going to do the X-Men. But how many of those people that were criticizing it watched the movie? They were not just picking on that, but they were going like, oh, Assassin's Creed, Macbeth.

If you look at Assassin's Creed, and I don't think that's a good movie. I'm not defending Assassin's Creed. It's got Fastbender, Brendan Gleason. Is that the one that he did, though? Yeah. He wrote it, but it's got... A good movie. Marion Couttsyard, Fastbender, Brendan Gleason,

Jeremy Irons, Michael Williams. It's got a cast that wouldn't sign onto it if the script was bad. That movie feels like studio interference. That movie feels like a lot of people changed a script, because you don't get that cast off a bad script, in my opinion. And we don't know the journey it went through, except for that it started better we heard and then got tempestuous. So the movie that did have recently come out

was a fantastic use of young adults, broadcast spectacle that had heart. That's the X-Men. And on top of that, he's able to utilize those elements in a way that made a Blockbuster feel small and contained. And that's what I think the X-Men has been missing. I've always said the good mutant movies are out there,

but we haven't had a good X-Men movie because it's missing the team dynamic, the heart. Hunger Games is team dynamic and heart. So I just think that don't look at someone's filmogger and write off any filmography because of one or two bad movies. The guys that wrote Dark World wrote Civil War, I mean, wrote Infinity War, endgame, and Winter Soldier. Like, Marcus and McPhile did the best of Marvel

and one of the worst of Marvel. Wait and see the movie. Yeah, I think I truly, I truly just think it depends. And, and, like, when you started saying that, and you're like, don't immediately jump to filmography, I get that way right now with, like, M. Night Shyamalan. And it's not, it's, depending on what you're talking about. So, like, for example,

I thought that obviously unbreakable and split were great. I thought that the sixth sense was great. But then you end up with like the visit. Yeah, that wasn't very good. Or you end up like it. And it's so it's like it just depends. You get a very jekyll and hide type situation. If that's what you're getting, then fine.

But it sounds like this guy really hasn't. It's been one or two bad ones or bad, not even necessarily like you said from his own fault versus other stuff that's been popping off. So they also did Civil War. I wanted to make sure because I said it on there. Civil War. Infinity War, Endgame and Winter Soldier. So Dark World, if this was today's article, it'd be like,

writers of Dark World handling Black Panther and Spider-Man introduction. And instead, it's like, wait for the movie. All fair points, all the way around. So what do you think? Where do you stand with it? Do you feel like, nah, I've seen this other guy's stuff. He had one thing, The Hunger Games is just okay. I don't think this is the guy.

Or do we wait to see who he gets paired up with as a director? Or as they say, you know, even look at Assassin's Creed. He was one of four writers on that movie. So what do you think? Put your comments in on any of the topics that we talked about today. Make sure you do it. I want to thank both Coy and Winston. We'll start with Winston.

Winston, where can they find you? You can find me at my YouTube channel, at the Swaggy Blurred. Come say, what's up? I actually just did a really interesting piece on if the movie theaters are dying. I kind of break down with the idea that the fall guy is already on SVOD, and it's only been about two and a half weeks roughly before they've made. that transition. So definitely come and check that out. And on top of that, later today, since this is coming out today, I'm actually going to be doing a show with John Roka called Spill the

Tequila. So if you go and find me on Twitter, you can find it. You can get the link to that. And we're going to be covering all the big pop culture news stuff that's popping off. Definitely check that out because I'm afraid of the movie theater industry dying too and I love it very much. So check out it as report on that. It's fantastic. And follow me on YouTube as well. I echo Johnro. My name. I'm doing a weekly comic book show. I read 50 comics. a week so you don't have to. I give you my top nine favorite comics and I describe them all. So if you're like, oh, that character sends interesting. I give you a

full description and I preview that upcoming week and I give you all the comic news in the middle so it's a full like 30, 40 minute show with everything happening in comics. I'm also starting a movie version of that next month, starting to cover TV next month. I'm going to be covering Ackleight, the first thing I've covered in Star Wars since I felt like the fandom betrayed me with the Phantom Menace and I'm going to be following all that up with evergreen

videos about like best comics to get into X-Men, best new comics to get into Spider-Man. some of that stuff. So YouTube is growing at 27K, trying to get to 100. Winston lied to you by accident. Uh-oh. About what?

Only by accident, because I lied to him. Is it Friday now? I think I'm like on Friday. I was waiting the entire episode. Are you kidding? Is it going to happen at 12? Is it going to happen at 1205?

Wait as Chris. You're going to go? No, no, Friday. I decided on Friday. That's right. I think it's easier to do it on Friday. Plus, if I was going to do an extra episode with Brett up, maybe I'll give people a Saturday episode.

In that case, now that you've seen that plug, go back and watch the rerun of the show. Perfect. So there you go. And as always, like I said before, whether it is Tushy or Joy Mode or any of our friends over at the green, make sure you go get the sponsors. Why? We'll get yourself something wonderful. You help out this show. And the other thing, and we're going to do this with Brett, he's got all the things.

I wanted to thank everybody who contributed to the Amazon wish list. We still have a couple more things on there. But, man, you guys really helped me out with the New York studio. And yes, we're building it out. and everything else too. Put your suggestions in, though, for those people who do, it's things you want to see in the background and stuff for the New York studio. Let me know. All right. Thanks for joining us here today for Winston and Coy. See you later. Bye.

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