The Kristian Harloff Show - Obi-Wan Kenobi Episode 3 SPOILER DISCUSSION | The Sith Council

Episode Date: June 1, 2022

Obi-Wan Kenobi just aired episode 3 of the show and what an epic episode it was! This was what we were hoping to see when Star Wars announced a Kenobi show with Ewan MacGregor and Hayden Christensen. On today's Sith Council, Kristian Harloff, Steph Sabraw and Mike Kalinowski fresh off Star Wars Celebration discuss episode 3 of the new show. We also discuss Andor, Bad Batch, Ahsoka and The Mandalorian. Follow the Council on Twitter! Kristian Harloff https://twitter.com/KristianHarloff Steph Sabraw https://twitter.com/stephsabraw Mike Kalinowski https://twitter.com/MikeKalinowski Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And then later on in the day, myself, Steph and Mike are going to do our spoiler discussions in general because I can go and give you my thoughts and everything I saw, but I want to go back and forth because you never know what these two are going to think about the episode and what you guys thought about the episode. And before we get into any of it, hey, I'm there again. Subscribe. When you hit that notification button, like, share, all of it, please. Thank you. Big thing, that's this show also.

Sith Council is in the big thing, Spotify and Apple Podcast feed. Make sure that you subscribe to all of that. Leave us a comment. We got a Sith Council shirt up there. We also have a show some class shirt and all those things and more. But we're talking about Obi-Wan Kenobi. episode three the spoiler discussion on sith council let's do it welcome back ladies and gentlemen sith council it's myself step subrah and mike hiller kellinowski chicken man that's right the chick man

mike as step says chicken man uh we had a great time in star wars celebration boy did we it did it was a lot of it was a lot of fun we saw met a lot of great sit council fans there thank you for everybody who came up said hello. I hope everybody stayed safe. There was a lot of great things that happened in Star Wars Celebration. And I think there was a lot of not only did we get certain footage from like whether it was Asoka or Mandalorian or any of those things. We got to see Obi-1 episode one and two.

And I think that what we're going to do here is we're really going to break down the spoiler discussion of episode three first. If we, Steph's got to leave a little early today. So we will cover everything that we will. we can do in episode three until she's got to go and then Mike and I will cover anything else that we feel is necessary. But staff, I got to start with you. I gave my thoughts on the episode this morning. I have not talked to you guys at all about what you thought about it. Thoughts about the episode? This I like I know it's so fresh, but it's some of my favorite Star Wars ever. I can't

believe it was just I rewatch it a second time this morning. In that's where it finished. I was just like damn i don't even that was crazy i know well caledowski and i talked about this g-i-jo thing that um that they did the the about a la la la la la la la la la la what's that that's that's how i was watching this episode mike you usually hate everything so what did you think get the hell out of here you're so full of crap get the hell out of here what did you think oh it was great but i but i've loved the first two episodes like you were like one great Two is like, eh, like, I still feel that way. I'm on board.

Like, there are some questions that I had, some, some things that I'm like, huh, like, logistic wise and stuff. But overall, what do you want? Look, I'll tell you the two things that, that I didn't like about the episode. If the first episode, let's talk about that then. Well, the first episode was 95%. Second episode to me, 75%. This one's like a 97.

What did I say? Did I say solid 80 for the first two? I think you said 85. on both. Eighty-five or both, yeah. Yeah, I agree. And I think, so for this, the only, the only 3% for me that I had an issue with, um, the first thing, you guys know how much I hate aliens who talk in regular voices. And Zach Braff doing the, uh, FREC character, Hey, where are you guys going? Hoping on in the truck. Is that him? I think pretty sure is that. Yeah. No, let me, I got a thing about that guy. Let me give you, let me give you that. So that, that, because it, it, it

reminding me, Mike, and stuff of Lady Proxima, hey, solo. And it's like how much more effect, because the character themselves, the Empire sympathizer and the guy who gets him on the truck and then ultimately delivers to him, love that. But I just think more of a, um, but da, some old do my so, boom, blah, blah, blah, blah, that type of stuff. Hey, how you doing? Come on.

Come on. Yeah, but it works for me only because he is seemingly nice. But he's an arc and. Yeah, I mean, the character, the character worked for me, too. It was just the voice that threw me off. So I love the fact that, you know, there's the, there's the contingency that, like, politics don't belong in Star Wars, blah, blah, blah. And the writers lean into this, that was a full-on mega guy in Star Wars.

Like, I think everybody should be in line. And I think it's good to have people looking over us. We should have rules. And then, but I think that's more about just political system. Anyway, it could be, it could be. Yeah, I mean, it was just like. Like ruling with fear. Yeah.

Yeah. I thought it was like the fact that they lean into that. But of course, through the Star Wars lens, I thought it was great. Like it didn't, this voice didn't bother me as much as like the Proxima one. The Proxima really did. This one I'm kind of like, it, it was. What bothered me more was this thing and the things that flipped up. I was disgusted by that.

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company and affiliates, potential savings will vary. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Mold hands on his face. But I think that, yeah, he was definitely not. The other 2%. Um, the predictability that are girl from Rome and Game of Thrones was a good guy. You knew the second she- Oh, I love that actress though. She's great. Indira Virma? She's great. The second she walked, the second she walked off the thing, I'm like, okay, well, that's their contact. I never once thought that she was an imperial. I thought she was- Oh, see, I did. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. See, I don't know her from Game of Thrones. I knew her from something else. No, but that's not why. I just think that they set up the fact when they're out there and I did like

the frustration that Obi-Wan's the one who's all frustrated and Obi-Wan's the one who's just like, ah, people sucked. He's not going to be here. Let's get out of here. And it's his frustration ultimately gets them into that tuffle, that scuffle, you know. Tuffle. So when she shows up and gets off of the thing, I'm like, well, that's the contact, clearly, that they're going to, they're going to, did you do that?

I didn't see that. You're nitpicking. I didn't see that coming. The whole episode I didn't see. I was like, I guess if I really thought about it, but I'm loving just entering these episodes without that. I just like let it, let it flow. I love that.

There's two things that bothered me. One, when he finally meets Vader, and they're in like these, like, Dune Hills or whatever. He's just like, I'm going to run behind this hill, and he can't find me. Like, why wouldn't you just walk on top of the hill? Like, this setting was weird.

Because he's scared. His empire. Yeah, well, let's get, let's say that. Let's say the fight. Then you have something else I can say that bother me over the whole overall? Yes. Okay. This is overall.

This is our fourth Disney Plus series, right? Yeah. Mando, Bat, Bocobo. Third. Bad Batch. Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. Now, three out of four are an adult character on a journey with a young character. It's kind of like, all right, this is what we're doing again.

Like Boba and Grogu and Mandu, Mando, Bad Batch and Omega. Now, Obi-Wan and Leia, I'm kind of like, all right, this is. That's a fair, that's a fair criticism. Yeah, and so it didn't dawn on me until the end of the episode. I'm like, because I really didn't think Leah was going to be, I thought they'd get her off world, and then it's going to be Obi-1. He's going to be in it for the rest of the series. Yeah.

So I'm like, that's three out of your four. That's, and I don't know if that's a Disney thing where they're like, hey, these stories need to involve kids. I mean, well, Marvel. It's a weird thing. Marvel shows don't do it. But yeah, yeah, no, it's a great. It's a weird thing that's standing out to me. Yeah, no, they do it.

They have done it every single Star Wars show so far. I mean, well. I mean, Fenwick took care of, looked after a child wouldn't bulb and just kind of. Yeah, I guess him as her child. So, all right, well, let's go through the episode in general. It starts off what I thought was done really. well when you have Obi-Wan who's still trying to connect to Quigone. So we know that eventually Liam Neeson is going to show up,

but he's trying to connect to him. But there's that great light and dark side moment where he's trying to connect to Quigon on the ship. And then at the same side, we start to see a little bit of what we saw in the trailer, where even though we saw Anakin transform into Vader in episode three, this seems so much more disturbing and more mechanical and methodic. and there was, it was, you know, you just see, like, even when the thing goes on his face and how painful it must be, and all of that, it was just such a great moment. And then that shot when the helmet goes on to Hayden's face, stuff, like that moment of the transformation of Vader, I think, is one of the best ones we've seen so far.

Yeah, I was like, whoa, I couldn't believe it. It was just so well done. And then I just thought from the beginning, they just set the tone that Vader's just been, living in pure pain and Obi-1's been living out of pure fear. And then that's kind of how the entire episode went. And it was, that was just such a powerful storytelling mechanism. But when he put the, when you see like every part of his body come on, just like, you start to understand you empathize with him a little even more, I guess, as a, which makes him a better

villain than I already thought he was. Yeah. I mean, look, so they have that, and even when he says, he's talking to Quigone, he's just like, he's coming. And he's coming. It reminded me of like, I said it in the spoiler review this morning. Remind me like prime Mike Tyson, like just the fear. He was like Mike Tyson meets Michael Myers in this episode. He was so terrifying.

And then I loved what they did with Mustafa and they go and you get that castle of Mustafa. And we haven't seen, we saw Vader's castle in Rogue One. and I think maybe you saw it in Rambles. I can't remember. But this is where I think this is easily, this was Reva's best performance so far in the show. And I thought she was like, and you start to get a little bit more of what she's,

I mean, they telegraph even more so, if any, in this episode, the turn is about to begin. But either way, this particular episode with her, you start to get a little bit more of what she's all about. And what that she, we think, we think that she, wants to be the number one that's at least what Vader says, right? Vader is like, okay, you're going to be,

I know what you're trying to do here and you want to be, but I don't care about because she says, she's like, oh, Obi-Wan's going to pay for, uh, he's going to pay for, you know, killing the Grand Inquisor. He's like, I don't care about a grand inquisor, it's about Obi-Wan. And she's like, all right, cool. What do we, what do you

do? What do you think about that scene? Mike. Me? Yeah. I loved it. I, like, and I think we were talking about Reba, ARIVA in the first two episodes where like everything was at an 11. Yeah. And maybe that was because the script because we were catching them mid hunt where this was more subtlety to her. You know, and I did, I never had a problem with her from the beginning, but I just, this is a rep, Reva I like better than the first two episodes we got.

And again, it could be that the actress had time to get into the role, you know, if they shot in sequential order, you know. But this is interesting. And I'm probably going to get a lot of crap for this one. James Earl Jones has always been the voice of Vader. always has been said you know two three lines and revenge of the Sith when it was anakin did it feel weird to you knowing that Hayden's back that's him in the suit that's him in the makeup there the minute he puts it on it becomes James Earl Jones like an older like I don't know I kind of like he's down older first of all James Earl Jones they

changed his voice and that's still sounded like it's Vader that's a complete different yes that's episode four Vader that's like episode four episode five Vader yeah right but do you feel or think I don't know I don't know if I would have loved to have seen a little bit of Hayden because they do so much with audio now if they would have mixed Hayden and Jamesville Jones together too jarring to do you. This was jarring to me when they put the suit on and he's instantly James Roll Jones.

I know he's Vader. I know that. Yeah, that's the modulation of his voice and his, dude, remember his... I mean, hey, it's an opinion that everyone will hate before, but... But remember, everything was burnt. So he sounds, he doesn't sound, he doesn't sound, he doesn't sound less the same anymore. Okay, he's not doing well. He's a mess.

His skin looked better than he did when we last song. Yeah. Why wouldn't his vocal cords look better? Good stuff. That's internal. I went down a whole Reva, like, theory hunt because I was just so curious about this character and the Inquisitor with Rebels, because all Rebels fans are like, what are they going to do with it? And the things that I feel like could possibly be is that they had to get rid of the

inquisitor somehow so that they could like have this moment of plot without him but he'll come back apparently his species has multiple stomachs yeah yeah and then that she was uh like they might they think he she's a play on rebin that she was for uh going to be a jedi but then cut herself off to the force and then has this goal of becoming a sith lord i don't know but i definitely really liked her loved her in this episode. Like I just thought that they gave her more like motivation that I could cling on to. Yeah. And I love the back and forth that she's got with, um, with the other.

Yeah, the seven. brother. The back and forth that the two of them have. Um, and like they're both and they're not Sith. And they're just quizzers that, but they're badly both want to be on Vader's good side. And they're both lying so hard to say like, you know, where he, she's like, yeah, we're going to go to this mine plan. He's like, no, we're not.

Like, yeah, well, Vader said we are. And I said this morning. I was like, so how do you? You talked to him directing? He's like, yeah, I got his cell phone number. What do you have? Is hotmail like that? Yeah.

And it's like texting. We've been texting. So they have that whole thing. And then there's that moment on the ship. And I thought it was a really sweet moment with Obi-1 and Leah where he's telling her, you know, about the light side, the dark side, but he also, and he gives any any, any fixed the droid. And it's just kind of, it's subtle.

And it's a nice moment. I thought she was, I thought, and this was a good thing. I thought that she was more accepting now. And I don't want to say tone down, but I think that she's, she's wearing that she was trying to trust him in the first episode you know like or second episode and at this one she's trusting him now and they had that they that's why i didn't feel too much of that grogoo thing because she wasn't it didn't it didn't overpower the episode for me yeah yeah i thought that she that i love that point like i like the way different jeddyes

explain the force like throughout all of the versions we've seen and i thought this one was perfect for how obi one is right now because he's not going to be and he got his he got worked because he's just scared right now he's not actually even moving out of like normal obi one yeah exactly how about this creepy moment though too when they're when they're on the um that planet and they're walking around he's telling him he's telling about the empire and how the empire did all these things and and just uh overtook that planet and just kind of destroyed everything and then he sees hayden christensen you know in full vader form but as a good guy or looks like it, you know, that was,

that shot was great. And like he's, the way that I read into that was that that's kind of, he's seeing the light side still in, and he's sensing it because at some point in this series, he's got to get the best of Vader because Evader beat the ass out of him in this one. Yeah. You think that there's still a light side though,

like at this moment in Vader? I, after seeing what he. did and this complete Michael Myers thing, like how, how you and McGray, or excuse me, how Obi-Wan's going to say, yeah, he might still be all right. I don't know, but they have, but they have to get there because at what point did he say, you know, Obi-1 once thought as you did, when? Yeah, but in the last time he saw him, he's like, well, then you are lost. Like, you know, he knows he's gone at this point. But I mean, hey, 10 years, maybe, you know, you know, think about it in a relationship after 10 years. And you think

back to people that you loved and cared about and you want to believe that they're still good in people. So I think that, to me, watching Hugh McGregor not even talk says volumes in this, especially in this episode. There's so much going on in that guy's face. Like the age that's brought him

you see in his face, just how he's moving. Just the simple thing is how he's moving. It's so damn good. He's like a worn down fighter. He's not like... He knows. He's like, this isn't a bad. We can't keep fighting. And when he's watching, Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, all of it. Yeah. So even though, like we said, the lead up to it, they get to that planet. They're, they're having the conversation. I love the idea. At first, I was like, well, would Obi-Wan be this upset and beaten down? Like, yeah, he is.

He's beating down. And he's still, and it's this. That's ultimately why I think they made the decision of Leah, that she's the one that kind of gives him the hope because he wants to take. He doesn't believe that Camille's person is even there. He's like, let's get the hell out of here. We'll figure it out our way. and then, you know, hand face shows up and starts and gives them, gives them a ride. And the stormtrooper scene, I thought, and I, and I was almost going to put that on my list of,

I don't know if I like it or not, but then I started thinking about it more because when he, you guys said, wait a minute, you called her Leah and her name is this. And I was like, and then I'm like, oh, is that a little easy? And then the way that he, the way that Ben Kenobi's always been a good liar, a certain point of view, it's always been a good, a good liar. And the way he just improvs and goes, ah, you know, it's still fresh. And he starts talking.

Yeah. And he uses a lot of the real stuff and plays it in there and looks at her and says he looks like her mother. I was like, no, that's a pretty sweet scene. You know, yeah.

It's interesting you say that because I looked at the scene and I don't know if it was the delivery of the Storm Trooper. He was like, hey, you just, where it threw me off for a second. And I think if they would have played it more in glorious bastards with this instead of like that subtly.

And then you see him to kind of switch. the comedy came and again it's star wars it's stormtroopers the comedy's there I feel the tension gonna ratchet it up a tad if because his audience I didn't notice it until he said it like but you could have played that a few more beats longer and really like oh they're in trouble here this is and then so but again great you know what that was meant to do though which I think that's another reason why I liked it more is because you're like oh okay well they made it out and then they run right back into another scenario two seconds later when it turns out you know, that what's his face,

Freck sells him out. Yeah. Yeah. So when he, so. Yeah, I get it. But even that, but another thing that we haven't talked about is a fact that you show like the sacrifice that Jedi make, like how, Obi-Wan, we've never really learned much about Obi-Wan's backstory. We've never really known a lot about him except whatever we learned about it. Yeah, it's true. And he's, and he's talking about how he got,

he remembers being taken as a kid, and then he had a brother. He's like, I don't really remember my brother, but I know I had one. You know, I'd love to have seen him and stuff, but I just was taken away and that was it. Like so Obi-Wan, we know Obi-Wan had a brother. Well, what happened to Kenobi's brother? Like, will we ever see him? Probably not.

But I thought that was, I thought it was really interesting. And then as they get there and they get sold out. And that's what I remember we talked about if we were worried at one point, not worry, but we were curious if this was going to be kind of a toned-down show. Yeah. Well, we got the answer to that in this episode and then some. When the Stormtrooper falls into the laser and gets cut in half. It was fantastic.

Everyone's going to be a blaster, too, by the way, for someone who doesn't like them. You know, and it's so interesting because, like, this planet they were on was kind of boring, but I loved it. Like, you know, it wasn't, we see, it's funny. We see, like, in the first two episodes, we see Alderon, and then we see Diyu, which are these, to me almost seemed, I don't want to say, cheaper looking. But I don't know if because they're on location, it felt real. And, you know, and they could have been in the volume. I have no idea. Yeah.

But there's just something lived, it felt like what tattooing felt like when they were in the desert in Tunisia. Like they felt like this just felt real, lived in. I love the environment that they were in the whole time. And I think this, I think this episode looked more expensive than the first two episodes. I agree. I think you definitely looked.

I think I saw some comments where people thought it still looked noticeable. That is in the volume. But I think that it definitely seemed more, the production seemed better on this one. And it's probably, they probably put all into it because Vader was coming in, you know? That could be,

they probably saved the money. for this one. Yeah, you're 100% right. And then I love this when the, when the droid comes in and he's, and it's like, okay, well, what's how, what's going to happen? He knows at this point. He's like, I can't, I can't just sit around. I got to try to blast this one before it acknowledges me. Do you, do you find, because I saw a joke about this. And it's true. I didn't really don him. He's like, he's still dressing like a Jedi. Yeah. Yeah, he's wearing a t-shirt, but he's still a Jedi. Like, why wouldn't they put him in something completely different? Well, I think brown robe, because I think that they messed it up in the prequels, to be honest with

because remember by the time he gets to episode four that's what he's wearing i think that they should have them all dressed up like the high republic and stuff yeah yeah yeah right equal era and the prequel era should they should have been like had like different type of robes to eventually that's when you start getting into this yeah that's right that's why it eventually transformed into this i think that's more of a prequel error than than it is anything else but it doesn't it doesn't change the fact that it's it's it's what was set up. Right. No,

I'm not. I'm not saying for, yeah, it's just, no, you're right, absolutely, 100%.

Why don't they not know who he is? He's sticking out like a sore thumb. Right. Well, in the galaxy's big. Um, so anyway,

so the, he's blasting people left and right, and I love when he takes, uh, hand face out. Like, he just cracks him in the back of the head, uh,

in a stupid smelly thing. It's like this, he was a stupid idiot. Uh, yeah. Yeah. And, uh,

he gets, he gets, he gets, hitting the back of the head but that's and that's when that's when it's so you guys didn't think so you thought that she was an imperial when she showed up she's got such a great look to her like a striking powerful and and it fits in with what when this is they started introducing women to imperial officers yeah they's like oh she fits like there was that one girl a mandolorean that's kind of um what the hell says name jean carlo's character's name um

Gideon. Gideon, like his second in command. They just have this very stark look about them. I was like, perfect. And it's like, oh, nice turn. Okay, so I did not see it coming. Okay, fair. Because I'm an idiot.

No, not necessarily. Steph. And same, because she has played in Game of Thrones. She's usually kind of a tougher. And, well, Rome, she was a good guy. But did you think she was an imperial when she came up? Yeah.

Okay. Thank you. Sure enough. Thank you. No, I mean, look, maybe. maybe a lot of people did so if i thought about it before like i i kind of like dropped that part of the plot out of my head that he was supposed to meet someone okay yeah that's that's the only reason the second they are like well the contact never showed up and i'm like why would he because what i said

why would camille set them up yeah why would he said well i mean if if they were going to set them up they would have revealed that in two i was like clearly they are going to find their contact and then she steps off and i'm like oh okay she's well she's the contact so maybe who knows maybe i just guessed it on that particular one and yeah it was a and maybe like you said i i do agree with you mike i think it's a nitpick on that on that particular one um so but then there is that setup of well actually before before we even get to the adventure they go on with her then we get back to the idea it's because the probe droid does indeed um it says well there he is that's that's they got the signal out in time and and the inquisitors are looking around and i love

loved this scene, this scene, this back and forth chess game that they have with seven brother and and Riva where she's like, okay, well, he's, he's there, you're right. Like, all right, well, I'll tell Vader. He's like, nope, I told him already. And he's like, you did? And he said, okay, you think you're going to get a favor for this? And they're playing this chess game. And I love that. I love that chess game that the, that the two of them were playing. He's like, this is my position, not yours. And they don't even care about it. No one, no one cares about the grand inquisitor that he's been killed or the least thing that he's, nobody cares. And he's,

Steph, you're a hundred percent right. He's going to come back now whether or not he's the one that takes Reeve out at the end. Yeah, he will. Now I'm thinking about it. You're saying that's like, oh, he's coming back. He's going to show up with a saber through her heart and she's going to turn around. It's him.

He's like, I'm back. Probably does it with Vader. Probably the two of them together. She dies in Obi-one's arms. Maybe. Yeah, yeah. You watch.

All right, we'll see. Oh, yeah. And he buries her in Tatouine. Next. Berries her lightsaber. Next, next to everybody else is buried in that one. Rob of Skywalker.

I am glad that. hilarious. Who are you? What are you doing out on the desert? The old lady just pops up everywhere. Who are you? I'm Riva. Riva, what?

What do you want to know, you'll bag? Why do you care? Why do you care? You're doing the middle of the desert. Get lost. Who are you? What are you doing there?

Unbelievable. That lady, you know what? She needs to show some class. I got to get what. That's the sound. That's the sound bite I need to get. Yeah. Ray Ho.

My mother, when people, when the Girl Scouts are selling cookies. I don't want any. I got enough sugar in the house. Right. What's your name? Laura? Laura, who's your mother? Laura, who?

Anyway. So, yeah, but I did really enjoy that scene with the three of them. Mm-hmm. This is like, it said it up. It set it up really well, and it also, as we get to the grand finale, yeah, my... What I love to, and that, can you throw that graphic back up again? I just deleted it. Okay.

Well, never mind. Anyway, what I love, though, between this now and, like, you know, I love the transition to what the empire is becoming. Like, the hallways and the look of just the design is becoming more and more into that new hope vein. Even as much, you know, it's really cool to see that. It's a great point. Yeah, you can see the mixture. You can really see the mixture of the prequel's. meets the original trilogy.

And I think that's probably, if I was to guess, one of the reasons that they gave the Zach Braff character besides the fact that was Zach Braff, but gave him that type, because in the prequels, there was a lot of that happening. A lot of that happening and less so in the original trilogy. But it's a mixture. I think it's a mixture of both.

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in your content out you're helping the show out so go and check it out go check out story blocks back to the show all right um and then we move on and this is where it just starts to get really interesting and not even necessarily obvious the obvious stuff with vader but i want to i don't know if you pick this up mike yeah um because you're not as much of a clone wars guy as step and myself but did you hear when she's going through, she's taking him through and he's looking at the wall? Oh, well, this character's in the comics before Clone Wars.

Quinlan Boss? Oh, yeah. Okay. He was in the comics, you know, I would say 20 years ago. Okay. So I knew exactly what they're talking about.

I didn't know he's in the Clone Wars. He's in the Clone Wars. He's in the, yeah, there's actually I have a shot of him. Get the big, like the almost dreadlock long hair. Yeah.

So here, here's a, this is a great shot. from the two of them this is from this is from the clone wars and they've had and they've had many interactions before and he even mentions him in in revenge of the Sith oh wow in Revenge of the Sith he mentions him and he says you know master voss is uh is off doing whatever the hell he's know he survived now I said it earlier in the review that I did I don't think that this means that he's going to show up in this series I don't think no I think this was just a tease for the the diehards just an acknowledgement that he survived and there's the acknowledgement that he's still around because she's like, yeah, he still comes in.

And maybe it's, it's an acknowledgement that we could use him in another show during this time period. Now, is this what you mean when you say, and I gave you flag for it, building the cinematic universe? Yes. Inside. Where he's there? We probably will never see him in the show. But five years from now, if they want to do another story in this timeline, we've introduced him. That's exactly my point.

And or, or if they do decide to do a season two of this show, which they talk about that he pops in there. It's like that you're establishing these characters in each one of your time period. kids, right? So the stuff that, that for Asoka, you know, how Rebels is connected to Asoka. And Asoka made her appearance in not only the Manawarian, she also made her appearance in, in BobaFat and the same with Luke. So connecting all of it, putting it all together, and even what they're doing now with skeleton crew and how skeleton crew is going to interact with that time period. So I do think that that's a reason why Quinlan Voss was mentioned. I don't think that they're going to use him in this series, nor do I think that

you really need to. No, I don't. I don't think so either. It was great to hear him, but did you, did you geek out, Steph, when you heard him when he said? Yeah, I was so excited. Yeah, it was like the perfect, it was like when, was it bad batch that you could hear Harrah's voice in it?

It was just like the perfect little, it was one of the last shows we, we heard Hera and we were like, oh my God, was that Hera? So I was, yeah, I was really excited about it. I don't think we'll get him back either, but it does, it does, like, prove to the greater world that, of course, there had to be Jedi's that were still doing work,

like getting younglings passage and making sure they were safe. Exactly. And then it all goes down. He senses it. And he's like, and the second he senses it, you know, it's on. Like, it's, okay. Well, you know he's coming in because they already said, Vader, Vader's coming in and we're not going to be able to really do anything.

And I love that. all we've seen so far of the acquisitors are these, just terrifying, you know, bullies who come in and they, they mess with people and, and that's what they continue to do throughout the entire series, but not here.

In, in this one, it's like they just line up like school children when Vader comes in, right? And it's like this whole thing, the way, when Vader walks in and comes in, like it's terrifying.

I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, four-year-old today was on the couch as I was doing these screenshots. And I had the video playing with no sound. She saw Vader and she tucked her head inside of my shoulders. She says, that's scary.

And he was coming in. And this dude, and they know, like, look, like, this is the, and this is why I give, this is where I think that, you know, Riva is the character of Riva, you can see. Everything that we've seen of her so far, whether it's Grand Inquisitor, whether it's the seventh brother, she is going up against them and saying, I don't care what you're saying this is the way we're doing things now when vaders in town she is like just like okay do your thing i'm gonna yeah yeah right here because she knows and it's and it and it and it to me that that is more of a testament of the character saying she's not just this one note character that's going

to be just mad at everybody she knows when right i'm gonna shut up i'm gonna try to earn a spot with this guy and that's it and they all do that i mean this is this is a great this is a great like look at them they're all like just lined up like not saying a word as he's coming. And this scene, when he's cracking necks, he's like, are you guys, and I'm trying to think if this is like just,

my memory's not working right. Did he always have so much green, the lights on, or was, I always thought it was red. Um, did you leave that picture again? Yeah, no. You didn't you?

This one, let's say. No. He's got, yeah, he had the, he had the, right there.

Did he always have on the belt, too? I could, it could always be there. I could just be remembering it wrong. Also, remember this, that we don't know yet if Obi-Wan's going to mess that particular shoot up. Sure. That could be

he's healing and there's a different level. So maybe it's, I'm just trying to remember. I was just trying to pull pictures from the later Star Wars films. I can't find one with the lights on, but I always remember it to be, like I remember the green on the chest. Yeah. But the belt, I never remembered they're being green. Not sure, but he rightfully so tells Leah, get the hell out of here.

Yeah. Run and don't look back. It's awesome. Yeah, go ahead. This scene is like perfect. Like, as soon as this happened. I love the entire episode, but as soon as he starts walking into the end of this episode, I was just like, couldn't even believe what was happening. He, because there was an interview with Ewen McGregor, and he was saying that it was genuinely scary watching Vader come out for the first time. And like, you know, actors say that. And then I was like, well, that's a

cool quote, but you, I wasn't expecting much. I was genuinely like, it was, he is frightening. It was like Michael Myers. Yeah. And he was like, snap. the son's neck, killing the dad, dragging women. People are screaming and yelling as he's walking through. He was terrifying. He was the Vader that we had all heard about. But this scene, another reason why this scene was so good with this scene between Leah and him, not only the obvious of get the hell out of here because I want to keep you

safe, but like, I don't want your dad to find you right now. And I don't want that to happen at all because I'm supposed to be protecting Luke. And like, here you are. And I got you in front of this lunatic right now. get the hell out of here. And she does and she goes. And I like that too, where she wasn't just like,

I'm not going. Yeah. She's like, you know, a little bit, they can't try for a little bit and then do your thing. Okay. No,

I'm going to go. Okay, I'm going. Yeah, that's it. Smart move. And then, yeah,

he's just choking people out left and right. And he is on a war path. And then they get, you know, once, Vader's out of, out of distance, and he's like,

you know, you stay in line. And she's like, no, I'm all right. And she goes and does her thing. But here's that shot that we see. We've seen this in posters many times over. And I actually did like this scene a lot where he's like, all right, you want a piece of this?

And he's like, no, I'm going to run away. I'm out of here. He's not stupid. He's like, I can't, I can't tell this. And that's the same shot as when he's about to kill the younglings too, right? I think so. Yeah, you're right. It is.

It's like the exact same look. And I noticed that there's a lot of- What should we do? There was a lot of mirroring in this episode of the prequels and of the sequels. For sure. Yeah. Yeah, I like that he ran away, though, because it made sense. It's like he is not prepared to take on Bader.

I had shades of Empire Strikes back for this, like the way that they would cut back and forth and where Bader was just kind of hunting Luke. Yeah. And we kept seeing, you know, like, Here he is. He's trying. He's on bestman. He's going to get away. Now, he's not going to away. He's got to fight him here. And he's got to fight him here. And then, and Vader's just coming into him. And there's that line. Like, what have you become? He's like, I became what you made me. Yeah. How you like that? It reminded me like the Joker with Jack Napier and Batman.

You know, like then apples. Yeah. When he's just like, you know, you made me. I made you. You know, that whole, that whole thing. Yeah. And that was the only thing Obi-1 said to him. Yeah. The entire time, he's like running and moving and moving. silence is the one thing he asked and then that it's like every line vater said i was like wow you are out for blood beta tried vader tried to keep you know prodding him too like look he's used one hand against him at this point and but he says to him the one thing he said to him that i was like and i realized this too you know there's going to be things that we're and it's going to happen every episode now of like well wait a minute if this happens then in episode four i think you just got to let that stuff go now

unfortunately because otherwise it's going to drive you crazy because one of the things i start think of was like where in episode four when they face it seemed like the first time they've they've faced in a bit where last time they faced he was powerful because he says to him he goes your powers are weak old man he says to him now it looks at the years of major weak so he already knows that he's you know so it's like little things like that it doesn't matter at this point you just got it will drive you crazy if you try to. Or it's interesting, like, why did he need to say that to him? Yeah. Just cut that line. Yeah. We know, Bader knows, he's using one hand on him. He knows he's weak. He doesn't need to say it. It's true. It does contradict what was coming later. And again,

it's 40 years difference. You got to kind of let it go. It's, it's, it's pretty not. I do like how they used to your earlier point, Christian, like it's like a great blend of the prequels and the sequels. Like, I think that the, their lightsaber duel was, more in line with their older ones, yeah, as opposed to the prequels, which worked for me. Yeah, me too. And then, so this was the, this was the scene to me, who'd it go? Did I get rid of it? No, no, no, no, I didn't.

Here it is. So this was the scene to me that I think that this, this particular shot right here is Moses Ingram's best acting so far. Because right there, when you look at her eyes, this is also the, the, the biggest telegraph of the turn right here because whatever it is that she's seeing right there yeah excuse me whatever that is that's that's something something really has triggered her there and has brought up memories of her as a younger Jedi and her of the people that have come in and and been there because then she gets mad and takes off but that's not the angry kind of inquisitor right there

that is that is a shade of the person that I think we're ultimately going to see because you look her eyes, that is not an evil. That is not, that is someone who is hurt. That is someone who's confused. And I think you can read a lot of that inside of the performance that Moses Ingram gave right there. Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking similarly, like it just seemed like, where she had more rage in the past. And I didn't know where that rage was going to go. It seemed like it, now it's moving more towards this, like, need for seeking questions or answers or clarity. Yeah. And this shot, like he's just getting slapped around. Getting him.

Yeah, he's just getting slapped around. He's getting pushed. Like, he can't do anything against this guy. He's trying as hard as he can because he's just not, he's not in fighting shape. And then Vader comes in. He's like, I've got enough of this. He picks him up. And this scene, he's got him up and just tosses him into the fire, man.

Can I ask you guys this? Why didn't he burn his face? No. How did he start that fire? Like he did something to the ground. I didn't get that. I rewatched it because I was like can he summon fire?

Yeah, because I was like, what are you doing there? He pulled down this like crate that had some sort of hole. Gotcha. Gotcha. Or something that and then he used his savior. Probably with their mining on that planet. Yeah, great. Perfect. Yeah, it's how he kind of started the fire itself.

And was he then protecting Obi-Wan from being burned? But like, no. He wanted him to feel the same pain he felt on But then why wasn't he? Why didn't he catch on fire? Part of him did, but he wasn't his face to say he was dragging him. I mean, Anakin barely touched the lava in three, and he's a s'more all the sudden.

Lava is like a million degrees hotter than fire. Yeah. Steph. Steph's a bra. Now, hold on a second. If you're laying in fire in a robe, you're catching fire. You are catching fire. You don't know what Mike's not.

I don't think Mike's 100% wrong here. So what I'm thinking is, was Vader? holding up slightly above it like teasing like I just pushing it around and just kind of bringing them through it I was curious why he was controlling it like hey I'm gonna this is just the beginning of the long torture pal this is just you're gonna get

a little little singed right now this reminds you like it's awesome is what it is it really is the original trilogy this reminded me of like if you go back and you look at like episode two when Reva's jumping off the roof and all this stuff it reminds me like prequel stuff like the way that they were just Jedi were like super

heroes and like in the prequels, Vader would have leapt over the fire and- Cape would have billowed and- But like in the original trilogy, like he just, he can't get past fire. It looks the same way he can't get past that big wall in episode four or in episode five, you know, when he's, there's things, when there's certain things he just can't get past.

And point. And you'll see him kind of staring through it and it's a, it's a great shot. And I did love how she was able to snipe him out. I wonder, is she, um, I didn't verse those mom. do you think? From from what the hell is it?

From Battlefront. You know, I don't know. Yeah. Do you think I can't pronounce your name? I'm going to butcher it. You think she's... I don't know.

No, I don't necessarily think so, but I was just curious if we think that she could be. I don't know. I wonder. I did not know. Yeah, and I wonder if... Indira Varma, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wonder.

I didn't burst so probably not but it could be interesting so yeah and then yeah I yeah good stuff I like what they I feel like they played Vader so perfect

because Vader's a gangster like Vader doesn't run you know gangsters don't run they're they walk slowly to their prey because they're the predator and like you don't want to like get into this like sorcery thing like the chokehold

is enough for him to be so and he's like uses his surroundings Like that's classic Vader to me. It was. It was. And as I mentioned, it's like a horror villain, like a slasher film that just never, you don't see Jason or Michael Myers running. They walk.

And they go after him. And it's the same thing that what, what he did. And then the last shot is basically where, well, you have these two where, Obi-Wan is being comforted. And then we have the fact that Leah is now captured by Riva, which I think is our ultimately are the beginning, turn of Lay is going to be part of this show

for the rest of the series. So you should prepare for that. That's part one. Part two is that this is now the, as we saw that, that brief face from from Reva to where acknowledging that something was there once

as a good guy. This is where it's probably going to be Leah now. The time that she's spent with Leah and whatever Leah says to her is probably going to start to turn. Yeah. And also I'm thinking the more we're now halfway point, you know, and again, this is changing expectations. I kind of feel we're done with Baru and Owen. And I'm very disappointed in that. You probably get him in the last. I think we're

done with Luke too. I think we all thought the show was going to be about him protecting Luke and wanting to train Luke and they turn it on its head on it. And that's not, that's our fault for assuming something. Last episode. But it also leads me to believe I could see a season two where before it was like, we're just doing one. This is a six episode. And now they're kind of like, well, if another one comes around it comes around so I'm like can't have Vader in the next one though yeah but that's okay yeah there's so much more to tell second I think second up I mean excuse me last episode you probably see Luke and and Bruin Owen more but nothing like we thought like or what I thought or what is hoping for nothing he's gonna be off Tattoine for I mean because it looks like he's he's gonna be

healing now with her now whether or not we stay in this mining planet or not I don't I don't know but you because they're going to find out that that Leah is now caught with Riva Yep. And so, and then it's going to be Leah that ultimately turns. Yeah. You're right. And then I think that we're still going to for sure get flashbacks of Anakin, but I'm not sure.

Oh, I don't know about it. I don't know about it anymore. I don't know about that anymore. There's no way they bring him back and there's not flashbacks. I think you're for sure flashbacks. My question is, is it flashbacks in the Clone Wars or is it Order 66 where maybe there's a conversation with Reva when he's like. Are you guys going to come to the dark side or you can be killed?

You don't get him back and not show him young. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. That I think I think you have a better shot of what you just said of Order 66 and the reveal of why she either knows that he's Anakin. Yeah. Because like that's people want to how does she knows she's Anakin Skywalker. It's like, well, you know, if he's if he's running her, I don't necessarily love the fact that she was the one I told Obi-Won. But if you think about it, if she is indeed a Padawan from that time and he confronts all of them and, you know, brings them in, she would know that it was him that did all that. Yeah.

And then it was revealed that, you know, okay, look, I'm bringing you into the emperor. We're going to, we're going to train you to be these inquisitors, whatever it is. Because they even say in this episode that the force sensitive people have been being snatched up. And you're either either come in or you don't. This has been, this has been something Palpatine, this has been in Canon for a while. Cannon was, he was snatching people, people love force sensitive. If you went with them, he trained in, you became whether it was an inquisitor or anything else that he turned you into.

But no more Jedi. They were, they were wiping those out left and right. All right, Steph's got to leave us. But this was, Steph, overall, favorite episode, yeah? Yeah, by far. Also, Ned is a really dope droid. When he had the hammer behind his back, ready to go. Smash some skulls.

Yeah, yeah. I call him a Loufriigno droid. The Louverigno droid. Yeah, he reminded me a Loufriigno. It's so big because I guess I'm watching the offer right now. He reminds me a Loufriignor, just kind of quiet and big and hulking, but he could smash you over the head on a hammer at any moment. All right.

Best episode so far, so I can't wait for the next one. Cool. Get the hell out of here. We'll see you on the next one. All right. So that's the praise, and gentlemen. All right.

So Mikey and I are back here now too. And I think that overall looking forward to episode four, I actually stayed up last night, midnight and watched it. You two? Last night? Episode three? Yeah,

I did. Yeah. I'm not a morning person. I didn't want to get up early to do anything. I normally do it in the morning, but I was like, you know what? I got to watch it.

I got to check it out because I knew Vader is going to come in. And now they'd be. And for me, it's too much gets spoiled. Yeah. Someone would have thrown up screenshots. And again, I knew kind of what was coming, but nothing really crazy spoiler happened. But I just didn't want to find out on social media that way.

All right, shifting real quick, overall Star Wars celebration thoughts. It was your first one. Was? Did you hear what happened on Sunday, by the way? Did you tell me? I don't know if I told you. So I left for a second to, I didn't really go to the floor or anything. You know, stuff was walking around the floor.

You lost your badge. That's what happened. I forgot about it. But I got it back. But either way. So I meet up with Steph to do a wrap-up video for the weekend. And she goes, I was just walking on the floor. And somebody came up to me and screamed, what is she proposing?

What? It happened with none of us around. Damn it. But I actually met the guy that did it after. He's like, yeah, he just screamed it at her. And I was like, nobody else did it. At all the people we met, at all the Sith Council people, nobody. They might not have watched the episode because it was right before the Thursday.

It's true. But we had a lot of, we met a lot of great people, a lot of great panels. the it was it was really um it was a really good yeah it was a lot of fun and i think that the the mandolarian stuff i still think was the stuff that i liked the most that that extended yeah that that saturday panel was the best that thing yeah and shout out to our our pal ash crosson who who moderated it moderated the hell out of it i just talked she's going to be coming on scyth council pretty soon um but she uh she was great she and and i think that everything they did with from how excited the cast was and everything involved

than that, but then showing that extended footage, because it was funny when we were going into that panel on, so for people who didn't know, on Thursday, they had a panel where they showed the Andor trailer, which I think is not getting the love that it that really should, that Andor trailer. Well, I'll tell you this, because I was more excited for

that show pre-celebration as opposed to you. You were kind of on the fence about it. I was just curious. But you turned, the trailer turns you. Well, because my concerns that I had about it was that it wasn't going to be as focused on the empire. Yeah. And the idea that it's going to be on both and that's going to be kind of a political throw.

Then seeing some of the people who are writing on this thing, that people are born identity and right. And like the writers that Tony Gilroy brought in, they released like the screenwriters. Yeah. Oh, dude, I think this show could probably be maybe the best written show out of all of them. Yeah,

out of all of them. So I was very excited after I saw the trailer for that one. And I think Diego Luna, to hear how excited he is and he's such a phenomenal actor. So yeah, that, that show is quickly, I, have been more bummed that

Mandalorian was coming out next year instead of the end of this year had I not seen that trailer. You know, now when the Ander, because Andrew comes out in August and it's 12 episodes, so it's going to take us into like November. And then you got Bad Batch coming out also at the end of the year. So we've got enough Star Wars stuff the next year.

Even though you didn't get any Ackleite stuff, we still got Ackleite, Asoka, Mandalorian. It's pretty stacked. And then you have this tales from the Jedi that come out that people were raven about. Yeah, that kind of was when it was when they flew under the radar. It did. They were raven about it. Yeah, there were rumors about it about what it was and I think there was someone had mistakenly leaked it by accident and employ or something. And it was like Tales from the Jedi coming out as panel. And then they showed, I think people didn't really know what

it was going to be centered on, but it's baby Asoka. And then they also showed, it's like a Jedi Duku. And they didn't they show there was some like young wookie with a Jedi. And people lost their That's from Bad Batch. Okay. That was Bad Batch Season 2. There's a Wookie with a lightsaber. And then the same thing with, yeah, then the Palpatine shows up in Bad Batch as well.

So there was tons of reveals. And so that Thursday, Paddle of what I was saying, those, when we went there and we saw, you know, they brought out the Obi-Won stuff, the John Williams stuff was obviously a massive moment. But they showed the Mandalorian thing. Then after you and I were like, well, that was great, but what are they going to show on Saturday?

Like if they saw the Mandalorian stuff, and then when they showed the Mandalorian trailer, like yeah we've seen that and then it ends with katie sackoff saying to grogou you didn't think your dad was the only mandolian i'm like that's the end of it and then yeah like three or four more minutes of footage and we're like wow and the footage that they showed this season looks like it's the best by far yeah like how expensive it looked it looked insane when you compare it against both obiwan and bobafebett it it looks more movie quality than these two shows do because even in this episode an episode three. There was still

a lot of it that looked very television. Yeah. Good television. It is television. So it is what it is. It is what it is. So I thought overall, though, celebration was a pretty good success. And then I also said to you, and I said it on one of my, on the last video, that you and I probably goofily

said, and I deleted the comment because I, when someone, I know what. Well, when somebody, when somebody made, we were talking about where celebrations had been in, Oh, dear. Oh, God. And you, and you said, and you said, wonder, why would they do it there? And I don't know. Hopefully they don't do it again. And it was more so of us just because we're like, well, because we want to go. And like, yeah, the selfish, the selfish Americans.

And I was like, are in Americans. Of course that the UK fans should, should have a Star Wars celebration. That's what they filmed the original film. They filmed them there. They're massive. And the recent and the Brooklyn celebration that they had there, by the way, not include as far as media as far as the announcements that came out yeah they weren't great and i didn't find but wait i couldn't find one person that went that didn't say they had they had a fantastic experience and they announced it it's london next year yeah and i think in that

at the beginning of celebration they the first one was in london it was right around the time of the prequel maybe so but london's always been a massive part of star wars and it's like we were the way you got for for our london fans who like i said were were rightfully right like hey that's my my my apology and they were and i and i wrote to them when they wrote it they're like guys that that it was kind of lame it was like it was it was two it was two idiots going hey you know what i don't want to listen i don't like to go down the block much less what else and traveling i don't want to go to go to orlando for this thing i got to go where i got to go where yeah so that's that's where that came from. And that's also why I deleted it off the, off the thing. You sent it like two morons.

But thank you for always for our, for our fans in general for keeping us in check. And I hope we have a great time in London. And look, maybe we will be there. Who the hell knows? What? Any other pine? I'm going to a megapine. So let's, let's see if, let's see if there's anything else. Andor, oh yeah. Okay. Let me tell you some of these writers for Andor, or by the way. Um, Tony Gilroy is writing episodes one through four. That's his brother. That's, uh, oh, and then his brother Dan Gilroy is writing episodes five and six.

And Steven Schiff is writing episode seven. Okay. So, uh, Tony Gilroy is the showrunner of the series in addition to the main writer. He was a key figure in getting rogue one across the finish line. So dude is his, his brother Dan wrote Nightcrawler, which is one of the best movies of all time. It's a great, ever see the movie? Yeah, it's a movie. Oh, it's so good.

Stephen Schiff was supposed to be the showrunner of Ander before Tony Gilroy. Gilroy is now created as the creator, as the creator as well, which is interesting. Second season of Andor is going to be pretty good production in November, as Tony Gilroy confirmed at Star Wars Celebration. The first season is going to take place over one year in the timeline. Five BBY, that's before you have, and four ABY, before the second season. Also, 12 episodes long is going to cover other four years leading up to Rogue One. and then the Asoka series bringing the ghost crew into live action. Wouldn't be surprised of either season of Andor was cameo heavy.

Ian McDaniel Redd hinted recently that he might be appearing in one of these Disney Plus series. However, however, he was shown in Bad Batch. So that might be it. The cast includes Diego Luna returning as Cassian Andor. But I do think that he'll show up. Miguel Fernandez wrote that article our buddy Miguel. But I do think that he will show up in that series as well. But, I mean, dude, those writers and that series,

I'm becoming more and more excited for Andor as it comes out. And I think that it basically lends itself to what you and Ken love so much about Star Wars. You're not going to see a lot of lightsabers in that one. Right. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I really think that's it. Yeah, I'm trying to look right now. I don't see anything else that's popped up that we haven't covered or talked about.

Yeah, I mean, I know Kathleen Kennedy is patiently waiting. on Donald Glover's availability for Lando. I will say this, and I mentioned this earlier in my review. There was this report or yesterday a statement that I think that Disney did very well, and they had put out a statement regarding Moses Ingram and how there were some very blatantly racist and hateful things that were sent to her via Instagram.

And I think that what happens sometimes is that people then take the excuse of, they think that because they're criticizing her performance that Disney's calling them racist and that's not at all what's happening because there are I mean myself Mike and staff had all said that we're not we weren't necessarily big fans of the performance that she put in on episode one and two but there's a way to critique things in general where you're not coming off as as hateful where you're not coming off as you know mean mean spirit and on the other

hand, there are people that were being mean and racist. 100%. That's what I'm saying. It's just, you know, just, it's interesting. They're DMing her and they're, they're saying things to her personally. That's the type of stuff that is not in what world is, that we're talking about like when you go to Star Wars celebration and you walk and you see everybody positive and nobody's saying, because they don't have Twitter accounts. I don't have these things. It's a human being that is working and doing these things and she doesn't deserve that.

You're allowed as a fan to not like the performance if you don't like it. But it doesn't give you the right to be mean and hateful and spiteful and all of those things. And I just think that it was good on both Star Wars and on you and McGregor for coming out. This thing was great. Yeah, Moses Ingram. So either way, it's like, I think that it's, it's, criticism is, is part of everything. It's part of every fandom. But I think that there's still a way that sometimes you just, that that's not criticism.

That's hatred. And you've got to stay away from that stuff. But anyway, this was a fun. episode overall. I cannot wait to see episode four of Obi-1 now that we've got Vader in full effect. Yes, sir. From Mike Kalinowski and Steph Sabra. I'll make sure, by the way, that you are getting to the podcast form and the Patreon, obviously, but make sure you get to the podcast and subscribe to us on whether it's Apple Podcast, Spotify, anywhere. And if you don't, what are you doing? For the Sith Council, Mike Kalinowski. And, uh,

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