The Kristian Harloff Show - Obi-Wan Kenobi Episode 4 SPOILER DISCUSSION | The Sith Council

Episode Date: June 9, 2022

The latest episode of Obi-Wan Kenobi has dropped on Disney+. It stars Ewan McGregor, Hayden Christiansen, Moses Ingram and more. In this episode, the fallen Jedi must go on yet another rescue mission with Vader hot on his trails. On this episode of The Sith Council with Kristian Harloff, Steph Sabraw break down the episode and give our thoughts. Follow the Council on Twitter! Kristian Harloff https://twitter.com/KristianHarloff Steph Sabraw https://twitter.com/stephsabraw Mike Kalinowski https://twitter.com/MikeKalinowski Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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To learn more, go to sleepnumber.com. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Big Thing, Sith Council edition. And we have a really good show for you today. Now, what a day it's been in general today, man. Started off the day with a Black Adam trailer. And then we went right into a spoiler-heavy review of Obi-Wan. Then at noon, dropped the Jurassic World Dominion review. That was one of a movie.

That's something. And now we get a Sith counsel with me and Steph Sabraah. Mikey Chicken is doing something. Working a double. He's very proud of himself. But by the way, if you're brand new to this show, people always ask how you can help support Apple Podcast, Spotify. This show and all the other shows that we do here,

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I am joined by the one and the only Steph, Darth Sabra. What up, Steph? What's up? Do you get your pretzel bites? Yes. I found them. I was your savior.

Yes. Christian, you don't know how much peace that brought me. I'm sure it did. So we're having Roxy on Big Thing Tomorrow, so we'll talk to her as well. But the joy in your eyes, like that's why if I ever meet your future husband or fiancé, I know what to tell them to get you to make you happy.

Cinnamon and sugar, Yeah, that's it. If he's in the doghouse, I just needs to keep... I ran. I don't run anymore. Oh, I know. I saw it.

I saw it. It was interesting. My favorite is I know the dynamic so well with you and Doreena and Roxy so well that you guys ran. It reminded me of like kids at an amusement park when you saw something that you needed and you just ran over to the stand. It didn't matter where anybody else was. And Doreena just only just stayed. And I was like, and I was like, start lavish. Like what?

And I go, it's just hilarious how, like, you can just tell the, first of all, the age range. Yeah. And also, she's just used to the two of you doing your thing. Yeah, she's, like, constantly corraling us. Yeah. And she was, but that's a different movie for a different time, that Jurassic thing. Oh. So this is Sith.

This is big thing. And we're going to get into the fourth episode of Obi-Wan Kenobi. It is the show on Disney Plus. Steph, you didn't see my spoiler review yet, I assume. No, not yet. Okay, we haven't talked about it. You don't know what I think. I don't know what you think.

What did you think? I really enjoyed this episode. To me, it wasn't, episode three is like one of my favorite episodes ever in Star Wars or pieces of footage. This one, it didn't move the plot forward as much for me, but there wasn't a single part I was like, I don't like that. Yeah, I didn't love it. You didn't love it. There are parts of it that I really liked. I enjoyed watching it.

I probably still liked it better than the second one. But there was a lot that I didn't like about it with a lot that I did. The stuff that I liked was the beginning, the back and forth with showing him in the back of the tank. So cool. And then the, just the pain that Anakin's going through inside of those, the visions, the angst, like all of it. And then working with, with, what is it, I always forget her name. Adina Barna? Not the actress, though, herself.

Oh, Tala. Tala, that's right. Love that character. She's great. That's one of my favorite new additions. She's another person that I like, and I don't mind the trope as much because it's part of Star Wars art tropes that I don't like. And then there's this trope of the characters that infiltrate all the time, the empire. It's the easiest place in the world to try to get into.

But I liked that. I liked the I liked the this was about as new hope as you get. This whole episode was New Hope and that stuff, the kind of parallels to it

at times I liked a lot. I liked the prequel stuff that they did with the, when Obi-Wan's swimming underwater with the thing in his mouth. I love the stuff where after Obi-Wan finds Leah and he's got to break out

and he's got to tune back into the force and he's using the saber again. I love the stuff when Vader came in and goes old school and would just choke out some of his people like that's all the stuff I really enjoyed a lot. So before I tell you the stuff I didn't, what's the stuff that you really enjoyed? A lot of what you said.

Obi-1 just coming back to Obi-1, at least making those steps was sick. I thought he like, they are just shooting him so well. Yeah. I love the water, the use of the water. It's just I know we've seen it and I love the callback to it, but we don't get, it's nice to see like a different terrain in Star Wars and then use it differently. I thought that Tala was awesome. I just loved the dialogue between her and when she was like,

call me sir. Yeah, period. And I, yeah, I loved also Leah kind of reflecting off Ray in that scene with Kylo Ren. But when she's trying to like read her thoughts or get some information. Now, do you mean the first time they did that scene or the 28th time they did that scene in this episode? That scene, how many times you have to do that scene? Yeah, the interrogation went on really long. Hey, I know you know where it is.

No, I don't. Yes, you do. Okay, fine. You're lying. Okay, just kidding. Hey, you know where it is. No, I don't. Yes, you do.

Hey, you have a droid? I had a droid too one day. Hey, how many times we can do the scene? And then finally, we're going to torture you. Okay. Here we go. Oh, they want to see you in the deck. Now?

Okay, I'll leave her alone. Okay. What? It was, there's, like, that's the kind of, of stuff that drives me nuts. And you know how much I love this little girl as Leah. I think she's fantastic. And I think she was fantastic in this episode.

They are relying too much on Leah. Because Leah is like, and I, and you, and you've also heard me say to these people that keep saying, you're negating everything that's happened in episode four and episode five in episode six, the original trilogy. And I was like, take it easy. We're not, this one, this one's hard to argue with those people. and I might be one of them because it's like,

why is Leah's getting tortured the same way she does nine years later? And when you first meet Leah in episode four, it seems up until that point she was trying to portray that she was an empire sympathizer because Vader's coming up

and he's going, you're part of the rebel alliance and you're a traitor, take it away. He clearly would know that she was with Obi-Wan and that she was already part, you know,

yeah. So like it's having her involved as much, Like I get and I like the idea of what they did. We talked about it. I love the idea of using her in that first. And I was against. Yeah, yeah, totally. You loved it.

I loved it. I was against people saying, oh, they shouldn't have used her for the kidnapping thing. I thought that was great. But now a second kidnapping thing? Yeah. You got a rescue her again. And the production quality, there's parts of this show that look like a $200 million movie.

There's other times it looks like a CW show. Like when they first arrive on the platform, that's CGI. Where is it? have it here somewhere. Yeah, show me because I'm not as good at picking at stuff out. Oh my God, it was awful. Um, where is it? It's here somewhere. So this, yeah, this is one of the 775 times. It was, it was dark this episode. I had to turn off all the lights. I love those Shea Jackson, Jr. Oh, yeah. He's great. However, even, it's like every single thing that works well, there's something else, right? They go and they find and they go, we need you to help because I can't help you.

Yeah. I knew you were going to not like that part. No, but that's okay that he said. said no. But then he walks to the side and he's like, come on. Well, you know, my wife was a Jedi and she was, yeah, I'll help you. Yeah. Where was the turn? Where was the turn on that? She's like, okay, fine. But I thought he was great. And that was when that was when the turn happens. And then they set up the, they set up this scene. This is a classic Star Wars scene. I love this when all this goes down. Yeah, he could have been on board the entire time. He might as well have. What's the point of making him, you know, where is it? I love when he's using the force and trying to tune back in.

Like all that stuff was great. And she was, and she's, and here's another one of the interrogation scenes. I mean, I couldn't believe how many times they did that interrogation scene. This,

this thing. Like when this lands, this is, it just looked, I love the volume, but this was, I mean, look, that looks terrible.

Yeah. That looks like a set. That looks like a bunch of people. You know what that looks like? It looks like, like the bad version of the, the resistance ride that we went on. it doesn't that doesn't I mean that doesn't look that looks bad I don't know that I you think it looks

oh right I don't disagree I think there with that moment the first shot you showed me I thought that looks a little clone wars animationy yeah and I or like computer game or like just like a video game me which I don't love when it looks like that sometimes like characters in animation when they're running it looks like that but I I yeah that's never really the thing I'm not not good at picking that stuff out. But I agree. Like some scene, it's hard because it's like,

you know, I just saw the first Jurassic Park for the first time. And one thing we were talking about was how we love how they let the dialogue sit and tell the story. And they do it masterfully. So I appreciate when these action shows

try to do more dialogue. But I agree in the sense that it wasn't pushing anything forward. I mean, there was nothing that we learned. A little more about Reba. But even that, it's like,

but still. But this. But this was my big concern with her, right? Yeah. Although the top, it's that you're, and this is why I think it's a disservice to Moses Ingram, and it's putting a lot of pressure on her that you have sold this show before it came out as the rematch of the century between Vader and Obi-Wan. You got it for like two seconds in the beginning of this.

You got it in episode three, it was all over the place. And they set it up at the end of episode two. We're getting into this thing. Now Vader's back, and now it's going to be Vader. And he's gone for the majority of this. episode and it's more about stuff we've already really learned about Reba. We know that we know that she's, there's something going on in there,

that's something that happened. And now we just learn that she had a droid. Yeah. And now we learn that she's, you know, she can't read Leia's thoughts. And then there's that silly scene. Oh,

this is the other stuff that as much as I love, Tala, there's some stuff that happens with her in this episode that they're not even trying. Like, where is it? Let me bring. This scene was great. when she through words gets herself through?

Yeah, because you have to be confident. Yes. That makes sense. I love this scene. I love the scene. She throws down and she's like, like you said, call me, sir, gets her way in. That's all she needs to do. Then she's just talking like one of the things, my sister-in-law will plop down on the couch next to me,

talking to her husband on speakerphone when I'm trying to watch a show. And I can hear everything they're saying. That was her talking to Obi-One next to this guy. He turns over her one second. I think that she might be a spy. All right, I'm going to get back to check on my emails. That was a minor thing. Can get past it.

This part I loved. This was great. Loved when he's coming through the hatch and he gets himself in there. And this was where it gets episode four, New Hope style. And it was shades of what we want. Now we get to the 757th time with the interrogation. I was getting so bored with this. And the droid, this is the, yeah, the droid stuff.

But where is it? This, this scene. This was ridiculous. Who are you? What's your credentials? Oh, and she walks in. No, she beats the crap out of the guy, right? Yeah.

And no one notices. And then what happens? Then he's sleeping by a crate. Like, in the wide open. No one finds the guy. He's just passed out, hungover. That's what they probably think. And they're not even trying.

Another interrogation scene until finally they take her, they take her away. And then the worst, the worst scene, though, Atala was not that one. This scene was great. We'll talk about that in a second. But where is it?

I got to find it. No, it's the scene that drove me nuts. Oh, yeah, it was, well, she's talking, so Riva's talking to Tala now, and there's this scene where she, again, starts to use the power words to say, no, I am a spy.

And I'm using it to do this and the net. everything she's doing great but then the droid finds Obi-1 alarm goes off everything that they have set up with Riva so far indicates that she would just cut this woman's head right off her line yeah now let the stormtroopers do it

yeah that one I definitely picked up on that you let's the storm troopers do it and then you get the stupidest scene in all four episodes of this show I'll show you right where where is it it's right it's right here It's right around this time.

Hold on. So, okay, the droid finds him. And then she just slaps this stormtrooper on the side of the head. Get out of here, you. And then the other one just looking like an imbecile. And then she turns around and shoots him in the stomach. This scene of how she takes care of these two stormtrovers is so dumb. And how Riva just lets her go.

This is why Vader should have killed her. Not because of anything else. Whether she's attracting or not. You had a chance to take out this one. You knew. A spy. You knew that. that she deceived you because we just found that out.

And you let Earl and Mortimer take her down the hallway and she slaps him on the side of the head. I mean, look at, she open, open hand slaps the guy on the head and takes him out. It was, it was like you might as well go, mo, ma, ma, ma, ma, mo. And even though that was silly, I don't know if it was sillier than this. The silliest moment in the entire show. Where is it? I got to find it. Oh, you got the.

Oh, when they walk past. them. This, look at the coat that Obi-1 has on with the girl sticking out. Like he's got, like he's, like, he's, like, he's been eating donuts, like, 15 days straight, and his hips blew out on them. Like, this is, I mean, come on. Steph, you know how much I love these shows, but, I mean, we got to, come on. That is, that, that's, that's bad.

Yeah, okay. One of my, like, prolific issues in Star Wars is how they, like, consistently, in every show, everything, one of the major tropes is how they escape out of any side of, any side of the dark sides, like weapons or ships, whatever it is, it doesn't really make sense. At this point, you might as well just put her on your shoulders and put the, and put the coat over her head and pretend you're just a really tall 10 year old. Because look how ridiculous. Yeah, they just, the whole, I, okay, and I, it, I don't know why.

Like, I feel like I'm just choosing to view it with a less critical eye because I, the show just, I just really, really am trying to focus on the things that I love. But I agree that in the sense that I did even while I enjoyed the entire episode, I thought a few times this escape. The second one was unnecessary. But should we do it, it could have been a quarter of the episode, but it was the entire episode. The whole entire episode. And the only other thing that we expanded on was a rebel base.

Yeah. Yeah. I think the role, but I think that what they were doing clearly and it worked. was they were it was it's been 45 years since the release of episode four and new hope so this was an homage clearly to that film because you have one of the main characters even when obiwan does that thing to the stormtroopers when he pushes them to the side and they hear they think what was that over there like i loved that stuff i loved the stuff with the four i love that i love the stuff that came in with vader and and all that but like even and even the fact that riva does what vater does it remembers they they let

they let the falcon go and Vader's like we put a chip on there we're tracking them and Tarkin's like I hope you're right and that's what essentially happens in this episode with Riva I loved all that stuff that stuff is great just these little things that and end they didn't need they just didn't need to be there for this episode yeah the they this here's just traumatic thing that happens to

Obi-Wan where he finds that his apprentice his good friend is back and is alive and coming from him and almost killed him. That's your show for the rest of the series. And it's not going to be. It's going to be now we're going to find more so of what, what plagues Riva and why Riva is the way she is. And then, you know, like, do you think I'm wrong now about this turn?

No, it's going to happen. It's going to happen. It's going to brace yourself. I do, like, I just, this is like not a fair complaint because I feel like Star Wars is not really about dialogue, even though they tried to make it. But I would have loved if we just got that conversation with Tala and Obi-1 to be longer about healing also on the inside

as opposed to just his burns. But wait, but wait. You're not, you're not, having them talk more is not a thing that it's not Star Wars thing. This show was a half an hour last night. It was a 30-minute show. You could have added that and made it 35. five minutes.

Yeah. And it's like you, you're, you're 100% right. Well, I just am longing for like a deep conversation with Obi-1. Build the characters out. Act was actual emotions about this more than just to, like the shots.

That's what I'm saying. Build the characters out. That's why you have a show in the first place. Yeah. It's to, that's why the Mandalorian is so good. Yeah. Because you've built out on Dinn so much.

You learn things about him all the damn time. You learn things about the culture, everything that he is. And you're not, you're not doing that enough. And even with Riva, who, you know,

they're building this, whole she's the one that's being built out the most she's saying the same thing multiple times she's saying the same thing now now we just there's there's nothing built on the fact that she is like what is it we're in episode we just finished episode four we got two left yeah and we haven't figured out any of the reasons that because you know you're gonna you're gonna have to build out why do they open with that jettai temple scene clearly she was in that scene but why did you open with that are i'm starting to say more and more it might be doubtful that we might not get a flashback scene with anakin if we don't get aiding christian

in space. We might not. They have stump doubles that are doing the Vader stuff. I think they're just using them for the tank and other stuff. You guys. They might not. I mean, I hope that they do,

maybe even for the last one, but like this to me, even though, like I said, I didn't hate the episode and I thought, and there was a lot that I liked about it, I think they could have went in a different direction after what they did with three.

That I just, the kidnapping again, and we did that in episode two. They're repeating a lot of the same beats. and they repeated a lot of the same beats in the same episode with that interrogation scene. I couldn't believe it. Every time they cut back to it, I'm like, we're doing this again? Although I did love the scene because they needed to get Riva out of the room so Obi-Wan could get in there.

That's the only reason they did that silly scene. You could see where they're like, well, Riva can't be there because we don't want her to battle Obi-Wan yet. How do we get her out? Well, why don't we have Talia need to summon her and try to talk her way out of it? me yeah it's kind of i don't know it's like the the the execution on some of the beats haven't been it's been a bit of a bummer i still like it more than boboffet though i'll tell you that yeah yeah yeah yeah i agree like there's certain things that i agree like i wouldn't have i don't mind the decision if it was executed differently because if you had talla like take a gun or like something

and then like be ready to square off and riva's like screw i'm going to obi one first right and there's like a battle that ensues in the thing and she's got to like blast her way out or she goes around the side, like, like, like, whatever it might be. It's just like that, it's like, yeah, we need to get her out. So she just like hand slaps a stormtrooper and gets away. It's like, it's, I'm with you. Like, you could have done, it's the execution of it. We need, we need Obi-Wan and Tala and Leah to get out.

How do we get them out? Well, why don't we put Obi-1 in a big trench coat and have Leah sticking out the side of it? It's like, like little rascals. Who gets that, who gets that conversation greenlit? Like that looks so goofy when he's walking. Who doesn't recognize that? It's like it was so silly. But then it's like they compliment each other with a bad,

there's a bad move that's made. And then a really, like really awesome image. Like look how great this looks. Oh yeah. And he's firing down the hallway and he doesn't even, he's not even a step in and he's choking her across the room. Okay. But also this is the fastest I've ever seen Vader move.

Yeah. When he did that like one, two step up to her house like that was a, He's moving. He's moving. Like, that's a great shot. Yeah, like that's a great shot.

Like, I love that shot. I love that shot so much stuff. It's probably going to be the thumbnail of this video. Yeah, it's sick. It's really, I love that shot.

Like, that kind of stuff. And he's, and he's just like, I told you, you know, you had your shot and now you're dead. And he's like,

ah, she's like, I tracked it. And she's, now she's starting to make her move. But what is her move ultimately, you know? That's what you'll find out.

And like, and this, but here's another, So you've got Wade and Sully who come in and Wade eats it. And then they're all depressed. I didn't give a crap about Wade because I didn't know anything about him. I didn't know anything about him. I wanted to.

It seemed like a nice guy. But I knew nothing about him. Yeah. They also gave Maya Erskine's character nothing. She's from Penn 15. Okay. Yeah, she's awesome. Right.

Yeah, she said like two things. And had I not known that from you, I would have just thought this was the first thing she was ever No, I know. She's awesome. Yeah. And maybe she goes on to do more coming up. But like, like that she's a part.

Now that they've recognized that there are soldiers. Built, build their characters a little bit. Show me a little bit inside of that meaning. Like let me like them a little bit. So that way when, when Wade eats it, I'm going,

oh, no, Wade. Yeah. But Wade is not like, am I only thing in my head, I'm going, was that somebody I supposed to know? I know. And then I looked it up,

like he might have been a fallen. Order reference because I think there was like a few throughout this episode. Oh, there were. There were a few. But there was definitely ones I saw. I don't know if he was. I don't know. Maybe you're right.

But I think there was a lot of different things in fallen order. So one of the things I had read was Obi-Wan's visit to the Inquisitors demands a crowd of your standard stormtroopers and imperial officers. But several unique variations hide among, this is a screen ramp, by the way, among the white and gray throng in the hangar area, Tila walks past an imperial starfighter pilot known for flying Thai fighters in the Star Wars original trilogy. Obi-Wan later faces a Stormtrooper Squadron whose commander wears black armor with a red shoulder plate

through the helmet design is slightly altered although the helmet design is slightly altered these are very purge these are purge troopers serving directly under the Inquisitors Purge troopers previously starred in Marvel's Darth Vader comics and Jedi Fallen Order So there was that there's There's also the dead Jedi and Obi-Wan Kenobi 4

reminiscent of Star Wars Rebel season one Rise of the Old Masters Aser Bridger and Cana Jarris infiltrated this spire to rescue Luminara and Dooley, but only found her remains, finally realizing their mission was a trap all along. Obi-Wan Kenobi's Easter egg implies that Luminara's body might have been moved from the fortress inquisitors

to the spire for the very purpose of catching Jaris and Bridger. So, yeah, so I guess that's beforehand. So that's interesting. So there's a few, where is it? Let me bring up that I really, that was one of my scenes that I think I liked the most. in this one, where he's looking at the,

all the fallen Jedi that were in there and then, and then, when he sees that little youngling, that was pretty tough. That was tough. That was tough. So, like, that,

that scene was great. That scene, again, there were so many, it was, that's why I can't, like someone says, did you like the episode? I say, yeah,

I did, because there's a lot of stuff inside of this episode that was really good. Like, all this stuff, when he does find Leah, whether you like the fact that he's there again,

this, this was great when he's cutting down the stormtroopers in the, in that room. But this, this stuff was tough. A little youngling is there. And then I don't know who this lady was.

Yeah, I don't. I think a lot of them were references. Like him. He was, I think he's from the Clone Wars. Yeah, he showed up in the Clone Wars like once. I think he was like a detective for, for sensitive detective, something like that.

Yeah, but I mean, that kind of stuff I liked a lot. Yeah, and just looked cool. Also cannot not talk about when Leah held Ben's hands. It was the cutest freaking thing. Let's hold on that. We'll talk about it in a second because I also want to tell you guys, as I've been telling you about StoryBlocks, and a lot of people have been trying them,

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Can you show me We could make a remix Hell yeah we're pretty good at that Tell you what All right let's talk about that Leia thing Because that is that that's how they ended it Right they ended it That was so like

Why I love Star Wars that moment That's a great moment But even with that moment So, but even, but even with that moment, it's like this is, where is it? It's, it's, uh, hold on. It's towards the end here. It is true, though, Christian, you do a great job of, you're not, like, you point out valid criticisms.

You're not like, F this. No, I, like I said, I was, I didn't regret. I waited up until midnight last night and I watched it, right? And I, and I enjoyed it. Uh, but there's a lot of stuff. I was like, man, I don't know of that. Like this particular scene, we're talking about here. Because this scene with Leah was great.

They're holding hands. It was really nice. And they have a pretty strong relationship. And it'll make episode four when you watch it a little. I mean, even more so, like when they say, Ben Kenobi's here and where because they clearly know each other. And they're excited. I think that she probably would have addressed them a little differently in that, in that recording instead of saying, instead of saying, oh, everyone, years ago, you served my father. Hey, remember the time you rescued me twice?

buddy I need help again where are you back? It's me again. It's me when I was looking at it again. I was a little kid back in the day but you know whatever and that time of stuff I can get over but this she's sitting there and then there's this pan of it's the droid that's the club we already know that there's a tracking thing yeah it just happens because it's in the droid who cares where it is

we know it well and we knew it when Reva said it will follow wherever yeah yeah So it's like, so they already set that up. But, but it was the last scene of it. That, that, that one's a minor gripe. That's a minor gripe. If it was like, if someone's like, get over that. Come on.

But I can't, I can't get over. My biggest ones are the stuff in lay in the trench coat was the stupidest thing. The, the open palm slapped to the stormtroopers. Yeah. It's like those, I hope that that type of stuff goes away. And I just feel like we're just not going to focus on. on Vader and Obi-Wan. And the idea that there's been 10 years

and this traumatic thing that happened and the whole point of what I thought this series was going to be with the Obi-Wan once thought as you did, I got to get my buddy back. I got to find a way to get him back. It seems it's going to be like, okay, so yeah, well, Riva was in the temple,

and this is what happened to her, and this is the, and she wants to make sure that she's friends, and then Leah's going to do this, and then Obi-1's going to wind up having this thing. Oh, yeah, and then Vader's going to come in at the end. end of episode five and then they're going to have a clash at six and then Vader's going to kill Reba and it's like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I think that okay I don't know

I think that we could get a lot more in five and six I'm holding on to that because I agree that's like when we've said what we wanted in the show that was my number I just as as millions of other people that's what I want that's the way that's the way they're marketing it Yeah. Like, you remember all that stuff, the stuff that if this is what could happen here, the rematch of the century and building it like, that's what the series is about. Like it's like, well, your expectations are going to be the detriment of what you think. No.

When someone goes up on stage and says the rematch of the century is going to take place and this is, it's insinuating that that's what the show is about. That's the show's about. Yeah. And that is not what the show has been about so far. It's in there. It's not ignored. It's not like, oh, it's nowhere to be found because they open up the show with it.

and they open up the show with him in the back to tank cutting with Vader I'm like oh they're going to go into this like what Vader's going through right now and what Obi-Wan's going to sign me up and then it's gone yeah the whole thing and it's like okay so maybe that's what five is about yes

if five is 30 minutes again and six is like 45 it's like it's gonna be a problem I really hope it they're long episodes and I just it's just like how can you not have Obi-1 questioning his place and his decisions with in regards to Anakin and Darth Vader like talking about the council the clone wars there's no there's no conversation about it's relationship like

I just you just have to have that I want to have more conversations I want to hear him talk about more about the lore about what happened like yeah because in that trailer yes because in that trailer what was everyone talking about when he was talking about it's been 10 years we lost it's like oh they're talking about what went down yeah talked about anything Yeah, they haven't talked about any of it. And it's like, so it's, it's, I'm hoping, I'm hoping with five and six something happens, you know, Quigon's probably just going to show up at the end going to hang. I think he's going to show up next at the end of next episode.

You think so? Yeah. Because I think what's going to happen is something again where, because I don't know if Obi-1's hit his lowest point. I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know. I still, if I was to rank right now, I'm not ranking. animated, just ranking live action. Okay. Mandalorian season two. Yeah. Mandalorian season one, Obi-1, Boba. I would put Obi-1 above

season one of Mandalorian. Really? Yeah. Wow. Okay. But season two is the best. Yeah. Season two is, I can't wait to re-walt. I'm going to re-watch season one. We should do that together. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, don't do that on, uh, your, you'll, you'll, your TikTok stuff is going great, by the way. Love, I love in that series. It's really fun to watch those movies.

So how great was dirty dancing? So good. Told you. I did not think it was going to be good. It was great. It's really good. I know what I realized, there are a lot of movies that I have told you and I've said,

I told you. I've never talked to you about dirty dancing, so I don't know why I said told you. Oh. I thought you might have. You usually tell me about all the 80s ones. I wish I would have done the series when I watched Heat for the first time. Yeah.

The TV. Heat. It's like, and then did you see that stupid movie ambulance? No. I don't watch those types. Bural. Jake Gyllenhaal just like...

He's a great actor. He just like take... I respect the hustle, but he'll take any... I feel like he takes a lot of them. And this is a different conversation for a different show, but like that movie, it's not the plot or the acting. It really is just about how bad Michael Bay directs that movie.

It's like they're having a conversation. And it goes, I guess it goes hand in hand with sometimes how the director. directing in this show sometimes could be, you know, or writing could focus more. But like they're having a conversation about the plot. It's fine. It's fine. Tell me what the plot is.

And he decides he wants to go in a circle. And he wants to go up and down and all around as they're talking. Just focus on the dialogue. It's like that kind of stuff. Yeah. They're so afraid of making dialogue matter. I don't know. Yeah.

It's just weird. I'm trying to think if there's anything else besides if there's, There's a shorter episode, but if there's anything else that's going on in the world of Star Wars, though, and I'm looking at Star Wars Newsnet. Yeah, but everyone's kind of talking about,

even when you go to Star Wars Newsnet, how it relates and, you know, homage to episode four. Episode four. Yeah. So there's new Obi-Wan character posters. It's funny. They show these new character posters,

and it's now, it literally is like the thumbnail for the Disney Plus series. Oh, that's, okay, wait, let's go through the episodes. Sure. Have they paid an homage to episode one, two, three, and four? I mean, I think so. I mean, if you look at this, I mean, even episode five when today, or last night's episode where you haven't seen that speeder since episode five, right?

When they come in to attack, those are the same ones that take down the ad ads. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because is it, I'm saying like, is it going in order of like paying homage? Oh, is it? Well, what's the episode? Well, not necessarily, right? Because episode, the first episode, you see things that happen in Revenge of the Sith.

Yeah, that's true. I think it's just, I think what they've done very well as much as, is sprinkling it in. It's what they've done, you've got to remember, and I brought this up many times, that Star Wars Celebration 2015, when Force Awakens was coming out, Remember, the movie opens up with this will begin to make things right because the prequels were still in a place for a lot of people that they were looked upon as, oh, let's not talk about it. You went to Star Wars Celebration this year. There was many, many references to prequels everywhere you went. Everywhere.

Lost their minds. Nothing at Star Wars, 2015. It was buried. And I remember turning to Ken as we were walking and Ellis going, there's no prequel. stuff here. Like you can't find prequel stuff. Like they were not talking about it. There was no prequel. Crazy. And they weren't paying attention to it. And now they have totally reversed that. Yeah. By even by the mere bringing back of Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen.

But this, now they're paying homage to it and everything. And I think it and it's worked and it's flipped. And I mean, and Ewan McGregor said as much in his interviews how much like the, it's mattered. It's it, the audience is talking about it. Now they, it's like they went from disliking it to liking it. And you see it. Like even with like I remember from someone who saw Force Awakens. Oh, excuse me. Phantom Menace in the theater like five or six times to then going out of the

Georgia stuff and all this stuff. I don't know if I'm, it's very kiddish and then falling back in love with it. We're watching my daughter. But and it kind of almost like internally cheering when I saw him put that thing in his mouth. I'm like, it's like when he was going around in that booth.

I like that kind of stuff. Yeah, I love that. I love that. We also didn't talk about how they announced. the last day of celebration that they were going to London. Oh, yes, that's true. And it's, I think, did we, no, I think we read.

We, like, just missed the announcement. Like, we had filmed right before they announced it, then I didn't see you. Mike and I, when the hell did we, when did Mike and I do a video together afterwards? I don't know, last week. Yeah, weren't you on the show? I think we talked about a brief, last week. I think briefly, because Mike and I talked about how dope you were. And we said when we were like, oh, yeah, why are they going to put it in London?

Oh, London fans. He's stupid. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, they're going back to London. I mean, look, if we have an opportunity to be able to get there, I'd love to. Oh my God. I would love to.

This is my favorite city in the world. It was the first time you went. Yeah. Yeah. I've never been. I feel like it was Star Wars is telling me I need to go back to London. Well, the difference this year, and I think that that's where my, my, what I was what I was trying to say last time that came out poorly was that the Star Wars celebration

from everything that I heard for people who attended, whether. you were media or a fan, the experience and the event itself, phenomenal. The information that you got out of celebration was terrible. And that's not, that's, it was, it was, Rogue One was, was in the midst of being, it was a mess. They didn't know, they didn't have anything. They had a trailer that they showed just for the audience of half the footage that wasn't even in the damn movie.

It was all the stuff that they, that they shot. people got to see. Thrawn was announced for being in rebels. That was the big announcement. Really nothing else that came out of that at all. The TV wasn't even, TV wasn't a thing yet. So they had nothing that they were.

Oh, yeah. So it was. That's what always sticks in my mind about London was not London's fault. It was Lucasfilm deciding it was them getting used to what celebration used to be before 2015 before or even. shoot, before 2012, really, but before 2015 was, okay, we're just, it's just a celebration for the fans and we hope that they love it, right? But after you start announcing movies and everything else too, and it becomes like, it becomes like a second Comic-Con, the media starts covering it. You have more pressure on yourself as Lucasfilm to start delivering things that people are going to talk about in the media.

And in 2015, it was like all sunshine and rainbows. They had, they had the Rogue One teaser on there. They had the Force Awakens trailer. They had rebel stuff. They had all this stuff. And it was like, oh, boom. And the next year they were like, well, we can just show this and this. And then when they didn't, people were like, this was terrible.

And they were like, oh, man. And in Orlando they showed up. Chicago they showed up. This year they showed up. And I think next year, London's going to get a phenomenal celebration because you're going to have so many things next year. Yeah. Yeah. And I think they're going to do some movie thing there.

If they stick to this plan of, they, They're still saying that they want Tyke's movie to come out at the end of next year, which is wild. Like, the script's got to be done. They got to figure, I mean, they got to know that what the hell the movie is already.

We'll probably learn more about it. But if they are actually sticking with that, you would assume there'd be a trailer. Yeah. You're going to get Asoka stuff. Now, if it's April of next year, and or season two might start having some conversations.

Mandalorian will probably be in the midst or just finished the season. But you'll get Assooky, you've got acolyte stuff. You'll probably get some more news on skeleton crew. So London's going to have a good. Yeah. And yeah, London will have a good one next year for sure. So I would, like I said, I've never been. I would love to go.

Putting it out there, universe. We'll see, we'll see. This was something that came in from Grant Davis over at Star Wars Newsnet. And what did he say? Obi-Wan-Kinobi-Rider explains the decision to have Kenobi-Lenobie Lernerner. Anakin's survival 10 years after their duel. And this is what he said. Harold noted that the decision to have Obi-Wan

believed that he'd killed Anakin on Mustafa only to learn the truth years after the fact came from a place of finding the story as it was being told. Harold also noted that he made sure to consult with Lucasfilm's story team and specifically, Pablo Hidalgo, who was credited as special lore advisor for the series for various storytelling decisions. Obi-1 learned about Anakin was not actually something

I pitched originally. That was something I learned along the and sort of had to confirm with Adalgo and really think, hold on, what does he actually know? Does he know the moniker? Well, we know that he knows the moniker because of the prequels. What does that mean? Can he associate the two? What was he cognizant of? How isolated is he?

Where's Vader at that time? Where's his reputation? How well known is he? All those pieces of the puzzle. Now, the canon of when Obi-Wan learned the truth was not established in canon until this series. And while there are concerns of retcons, the series more consistent with existing canon than some give it credit for. Those familiar of the revenge of the Sith know that Obi-Wan knew of Anakin's Darth Bainer moniker as he heard Darth Sidious addressed him by the title. Exactly.

We're looking through the security footers of the Jedi Temple. But contrary to popular belief, Darth Vader was not an omnipresent figure in the day-to-day operations of the galaxy far, far away, until he took a more active and public role in fighting the alliance after the destruction of the first death start. During that time, Obi-Wan is set. Vader instead operated as a figure in the shadows unless called upon by the Galactic Empire. Combined that with the fact that Tatatine was far removed from the goings-on of the empire, being an outer rim planet left under the jurisdiction of the hut cartels, it's pretty understandable as to why Obi-Wan wouldn't figure out the truth

until he reconnected with the force and encountered adherence of the dark side. Oh, I agree with all that. Yeah. The only real inconsistency is how Obi-Wan hears Padme's dying words that she believes that there is still good in her husband, even still. Given that he lived with the guilt of assuming that Anakin died of Mustafa for a decade of his life, it's likely that he didn't believe that his apprentice could have possibly survived, and he may have dismissed those words.

Well, my particular thing in that is, that's why I want to see him still think, maybe I can try to convince this bastard to come back. But I just think the two episodes is probably not going to happen. Canons musings aside, Harold noted that part of the reasoning to have Obi-1 learned the truth on screen was to give Ewan a dramatic scene to work with that would really put what the characters believed up until that point

it's a question. Not only was Vader much alive, but Obi-Wan's actions made him more dangerous and determined, despite his grievous industries and his guilt over not putting his apprentice out of his misery, has taken the place of the guilt over thinking he had killed him. He says, the great piece of storytelling is that you can use it, you can use Ewan playing the moment of realization, which still haunts him is still alive. it all comes down to, is it viable with Canon to play that card, which it was, which is great because it allows you at the end of episode two and the beginning of three, it gets you so much to feel the essential of the fundamental story, which is Obi-Wan Vader. Is it? Which haunts you facing the past, everything that comes into fruition and beyond.

Let's say, one more thing here. In regards to Canon and the things you can do and the things you can't do, very quickly you find out what's on the table and what isn't. You sort of have a big idea and you say, hey, can I do this? And someone says no, and you go, okay, Or they say, yeah, you're allowed to do that. And we can noodle it to see if it bears fruit. Pablo Hidalgo is this sort of mad genius,

and he was incredibly helpful and always available. And I'll be forever grateful for his help because you can hunt any idea. And if he can say, yeah, if you want, you're okay there. Which is great. But, you know, like I said, it's just, it's, I also don't want to do that thing where I'm like, because I can, I can eat my own words after we finish the season finale. And I say to you, well, I was wrong. clearly went all in on the Vader and everyone stuff in the last two and it delivered two hours

worth of just pure joy. I really hope it does. I hope so. I hope so. It doesn't, with the way they've been going so far, I don't see it going that way, but who knows?

Could be wrong. See if there's anything else that we really need to cover that's all Obi-Wan stuff right now that we pretty much kind of dove into. Yeah, and I feel like Paddy one. Mademay and Obi-One were friends, so they could have easily had that conversation any time. Well, no, he's saying when she died. That's when, that's when she says it.

She's vocalized. She says it on the deathbed. She says, she looks at him and she says they're still good in him. Yeah. And so at, he, you know, at that point, I always took it. He's like, not going to tell her, but he did. That's the way he feels. Yeah.

Just like, okay. And then what I always, like, when they brought it back, they do show it in the did you did you go back because at star war celebration they didn't show which I don't understand why but when they did the screening for obiwan they didn't show the whole previously on thing did you go back and watch it

like they show that that part yeah yeah when she says oh I thought people were saying that she didn't say it to him and I was like she did and no no yeah yeah I think that the fact that he that why would he think that it's still good if he thinks he's

he's dead but like that's why I'm saying like I think the I was talking to Jamie Costa about this and he was like well don't you think that now why would that come in the play because he just Vader just threw him in the fire and watch him burn like why in the world would you think there's any good in him hard to argue with that but there is still something that you could think like that he's haunted enough that he says I got to go figure out that's what that's why I'm not that's why I don't have faith in the fact that that's going to happen because I feel if it was, he would be at least saying something along those lines or thinking because he's in the

back to tank. He's thinking about it. But he just asked one question about Vader, but there's none of this thing. Like he's not, like I was hoping to have that conversation, him having a conversation with trying to reconnect to Quigon again saying, can I get through to him? Can I, you know, should I go seek him out or whatever too? And it's, and instead they do a rescue mission, but I hope there's no more rescue missions. Yeah, me too. Just get her back to Alderon. Yeah. It's like, Bill, I got her. I got to find, I got to see.

I got to take care of something. Yeah. I got to figure out if I can get this guy back. Where's the train? We got two episodes left. Like this, it's like I feel it's going to be, did you watch Moon Night? You did watch Moon Night, right? I feel like it's going to be similar to Moon Night.

Like Moon Night, there was so much set up in five. And then six, it was just rushed through. And it just, I feel like that's where we, you could get yourself. into that position in this in this show. Yeah, I was worried about that with Moonnight the whole time because it was a really slow start. And it's short. And when you have six episodes,

when you have six episodes and then I'm more nervous now because of the 30 minute episodes, especially when I'm watching, you watch any stranger things? I'm catching up. How many seasons are you on? I'm on season three. Okay.

So in season four, the episodes are like an hour and 15 minutes each. But they're not like, but they don't feel long. Yeah, Stranger Things rocks. Yeah, They just feel detailed. They feel detailed.

I love that. Exactly what you were talking about before. Like it just feels layered with character and layered with emotion. And I just, I hope there's two episodes left on Obi-W-Won. So I'm hoping that they do it. If not, like I said, I am, I am, this is why I like, and I still, people say, do you still like Star Wars TV better than movies? 100%.

Because I get to watch these shows and enjoy the stuff that I like, not enjoy the stuff that I don't like. And then I have a new show that I get to watch in August. And then I have a new show I get to watch in February. And I have a new show I go to watch. And I just get to tune in and watch this stuff

and as opposed to just being frustrated with the movie. But I did say one of the things I loved about TV so much was how much what the Mandalorian did, you can layer in the lore and everything too. I hope they start to play a little bit more in that in the next two episodes. Me too. Yeah.

Definitely. I want to see just more Obi-1 Vader. We'll see. Talk conversations. Yeah. But that's it. That's our, that's our episode here today.

It was a shorter one, but nonetheless, it was our spoiler. The chicken man wasn't here. Nah, he wasn't. He knows true. His interruptions. Bok, box, yeah. Yeah, his interruptions. Here, I'll be him.

Go ahead. Tell me, what was your favorite part of the episode today? Oh, my gosh. When Leah went to grab O'Boh. Let me ask you this. So, Leah, if she's going to be there for this particular thing is, I don't know.

What does she? Why is she there in the first place? Why is she there in the first place? Well, she's there because she got kidnapped. But if she's there, then if she's kidnapped, then yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can be kidnapped. We love you, Mike. It's funny, he's not watching the show when he's on it.

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