The Kristian Harloff Show - Obi-Wan Kenobi Episode 5 SPOILER DISCUSSION | The Sith Council

Episode Date: June 15, 2022

Obi-Wan Kenobi is the latest Star Wars show on Disney Plus. Ewan McGregor stars as the fallen Jedi hunted by Darth Vader, his former Padawan. In this episode, Kenobi is on the run and coming off his latest rescue mission and must try to avoid Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader as he is on a mission to hunt down and destroy his former master. On this episode of Sith Council, Kristian Harloff and Steph Sabraw talk about the episode and the series overall. Are you happy? Disappointed with the series thus far? Plus, Takia Waititi talks about his upcoming film. This and more! Follow the Council on Twitter! Kristian Harloff https://twitter.com/KristianHarloff Steph Sabraw https://twitter.com/stephsabraw Mike Kalinowski https://twitter.com/MikeKalinowski Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up, everybody? Welcome back to Sith Council. Big thing episode of Sith Council. It is Wednesday. Coming off of episode five here of Obi-Wan Kenobi. We're going to talk about it. Mikey Chickens, still not in studio. This time he's got a good excuse.

His asshole fell out of something. Sorry, that's the one curse. I apologize. I apologize. But it's me and Steph on this show today. Ready starting up. Pretty good. Sorry, kids.

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That's the Sith Council show. Let's do it. I can't. Perfect. It's just seamless, seamless. Welcome back, everybody. It's the show. It's the big thing at Sith Council.

And I'm joined by the one and the only Steph Sabrault. Red Charita. We're still intact over here. Way to go, Red Sheridan. Oh, nice. Yeah. You stinkers?

I mean, I'm really crushing it today. I mean, killing it. So look, see, look. It's like your force ghost. Yeah. It's really good. Look, look at that. Unbelievable.

Let me fix this up. Oh, for the hell of it. I almost stopped. I don't know. You know what happened is we just finished filming the big thing episode. And I was like scrambling. And what happened? I wound up putting the wrong, I can't even find your damn graphic now.

Oh. This is annoying me. I can switch seats. No, I don't switch seats. So we'll figure out. You know what? I'll do this better for now. I just got to find your, as we talk now,

now I've got to find the damn asset for you. How you doing? Doing all right? Yeah. You're being wildly entertaining this morning for usual. I appreciate it. Doing fantastic, actually. It's beautiful in L.A.

It's nice. It is nice. Watch this stuff. You want to see something amazing. Yeah. Okay, watch. Watch the magic. Here we go.

Ladies and gentlemen, but dosh. Wow. Just like that. I'm good at this. Bada bing, Bada boom. Are you watching the offer, by the way? No.

Should I? Is it Italian mobster? You would love that show. Oh, wow. What's it on? It's on Paramount Plus. Okay. You got to watch it.

That's the next one. But that's not what this shows about. The offer. This is about, this is about Obi-1. It's episode five. And what, all right, Steph,

we're going to do what we did last week. I'm going to ask you what you thought, and you're going to tell me what you thought I thought. Okay. Yeah. So let's, but before we even do that, I want to talk to you. And by the way, as spoilers, if you haven't seen it. We talked about the Hayden Christensen flashback scenes since before this show even aired.

Satisfied with them? I want more, but yes. Yes, same. What about, but what they didn't do is the de-aging. Yeah, yeah. So this was, this was my version of the de-aging. Can you see it on the screen? That's what I did.

What do you mean you did that? I de-aged him. He, he doesn't, that's not how. he looked in the damn show. Yeah. Whereas in the damn show, he looked like that. Yeah. Like, he looks, like, look at the difference for it.

So would you have preferred that? I would prefer him looking young. He's supposed to be 18 years old. Yeah. Like, look at the, yeah. Yeah, 2018, whatever the hell he is. But that's the side by side. And it's like, and I did that on my phone.

And so you can, Lucasfilm couldn't done that. I think they're trying to find a happy medium between Luke in Mandalorian. season one or season two. No, happy medium. They didn't do anything with them. You don't think there was anything? No. I thought there was some.

No, dude, he looks like a, he looked like a 43-year-old man, but it doesn't take, didn't take away from the scenes. The scenes were great. I just, um, go ahead. Tell me what you thought about the show overall. Okay. I loved it. A lot stronger than last episode.

Probably my third favorite episode. Okay. Maybe my second favorite episode still up in the air. I thought the pacing was really great. I loved the character. work more so than ever before with like the side characters and then getting a flashback I would have been so unsatisfied if we loved the season without one so I'm so happy about that and right off the gate to start the tone like that and then I just think that we continue to see

Darth Vader being like the worst the best worst ever yeah like a horror character yeah yeah so they did a lot of great stuff in this episode um you want to try to guess my issues first Okay, your issues. There was another slap with... Oh, I just see that. It wasn't... The slap... Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

It didn't bother me as much. But it was, yeah, it was there, though. She's the queen of slap. She's the queen of slap. But that, yeah, that one didn't bother me too much. Yeah, okay, I'm trying to think, leaving the idea of how she, they left, Oregonas.

Oh, oh, oh. Yeah, and how Rev is still alive somehow. she doesn't have somehow i tell you exactly how she's alive they stabbed her through someone they go alright we're gonna leave you alone now why why did they leave her there yeah for what Vader leaves her let lets her go basically twice so okay i'm i'm i was the first thing i said when i was doing like a live watch all i was like how is she alive this doesn't make why would he ever leave her life this man is like decapitating people the both of them left alive the grand inquisitor goes to one of these ha

I'm alive. And he says to her, he goes, revenge. It's amazing what revenge will do too. But I'm going to let you live. See, later. And then walks away. It's like, why did the two of them let her live? And the answer is because we want her to turn good in the next episode because she's going to, she now knows where Luke is and she's going to be the one who helps out Obi-1 at the end.

You think? 100%. It's telegraphing it. Well, I know. I can't tell, though. Okay, so in regards to leaving her there, I think the only reason I'm okay with it is because it plays. lays to the idea of this man, Darth Vader didn't even bring out his lightsaber with her. Like, the disrespect is so real.

Amazing when he said, go ahead. I'm going to play some of the images. So it's like from the get, he was setting the tone that she is so minuscule to him. She's been on his radar and she's so not important. It's such a non-issue that he, A, doesn't care if she's alive. B, has kept her alive even though he clearly knew she was a force-sensitive youngling. and B didn't even and C didn't even bring out his lightsaber

So the reason I'm like Okay, he kept her alive in the same vein That he didn't even pull out his lightsaber for her Yeah I mean sure But it's like why are you gonna if you haven't If you know that she's causing a problem She's running she just tried to kill you It's like you tried but now you're dead

And I thought what I'd said in the in my spoiler review Earlier this morning was that I thought it was such a nice setup For everything they did with her With her showing because they, and it's a great, what they do with Anakin and Obi-Won is so well done in this, where they're having this conversation where this is before Clone, attack of the Clone, because he's got both his hands.

So he's having that fight and he's still, this is before all that stuff where he really leads with aggression and attack of the clones, before he finds out his mom's day, like all that. So, and that's, it's in there. And Obi-Wan reminds us, reminds him that this dude leads with anger, and that's what the, what the dark side will do. Riva's on the same side of that where she's chasing revenge.

She's chasing power. And her journey leads with, she's another one where she's doing so much right now in the course of five episodes. She's killed, even though we didn't give a crap about that rebel pilot last week. She still kills the rebel pilot. She's been killing people left and right. She's been hunting after jetta.

She's been rotten this whole entire time. And so she's making these decisions that ultimately, you know, she even says to Obi-Wan in this one, she goes, you don't know what I'm capable of, right? Because she's not there for anything except, she's not trying to kill Anakin or Vader to help anybody out. She's doing it because she wants revenge. Yeah.

And that's like, that's what, that's the Sith way. That's the evil way. She's part of that whole thing. But the Sith also know when they take that vow that what the Sith wants you to do, even she's not a Sith. I know that. inquisitor, but she's still following the dark side. They're chasing to try, the Sith wants you to see if you're powerful enough to try to overpower

them. The rule of two anyway is that there's one who has the power and one who craves it. And when the one who craves it becomes more powerful than they deserve to take over, that's what the Sith believe. And even though, again, they're not Sith, they're still trained in that way. So when she's out there doing, and she has this whole thing where she tells them, you don't know what I'm capable of, and Obi-Wan uses it in his advantage, and Vader says as much. Vader says to him he was wise to do it this way because he that that's how because it worked.

So her journey would have been so complete, at least to me, where she goes, she tries to do this. And I love the fact she didn't put up a fight. She tried, but she's not going to put up a fight against Vader. Who the hell is going to put up a fight against Vader? And what happens ultimately is that she gets taken out. And she gets taken out because here's the reveal of what they should have done, though, is that if he would have stabbed her and then the Inquisitor came from behind

and also took her out, like, trust no one. And then she was out and that was it for her. And he's like... And like the last thing she saw was the Inquisitor. Yeah. And then even a more tragic thing of then play back to Anakin doing the same thing of like in the temple because I thought that stuff was powerful.

But like, and then that's it. But her, like them going, all right, we're just going to leave you to die now. See you later. It's like, what? And then she finds the thing from bail. it was just kind of sloppy. Yeah, they wanted to keep her alive.

I'm hoping the one good thing is that there's things that she's done or said that I feel like have gone answers so far. And we have more like clarity and like for this character. And so maybe there's something there in the next episode. But I would say my biggest critic, even though I'm loving this series, my biggest criticism is kind of the easy decisions like that. Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying. They're teeing it up.

That's why I think they're teeing it up because what they have set up in this episode was that, I mean, we already knew it from the second you see that opening scene, at least we did, that she was one of the younglings. They bring that back and say, yeah, that's what happened. She's got this revenge for it. But if you notice in episode three, when Vader cracks the kid's neck, she's not okay with it. She looks up, she kind of like, her face is notice, like, she's got a soft spot for kids.

and even with Leah, like she's, she's trying as hard as she can to get the information out of her and then, all right, take it to the torture thing, but she's trying. I think there's going to be something that happens ultimately at the end with these kids. She can't, she can't do it, and she's going to wind up, you know, ban the good guy that saves the day. I think it's a bad choice, but I think it's ultimately where they're going to go with it. I thought that her journey ultimately following the dark side for revenge and, like, that's not, proving the point of what George Lucas showed in the beginning there is hate and anger will give

you power and will give, but it, but it will not give you the satisfaction. And I think that would have been the lesson instead of doing, well, but yeah, everybody gets to turn good again. And it's like, that's just what happens every single time. It's like, I thought it would been such, like, when, when, when Vader stabbed her, I'm like, oh, okay, they're going through the actual journey of, of the consequences from following this life path. What they're going to try to do, I hope I'm wrong, but what it seems like they're trying to do is, okay, Well, you can basically do a whole bunch of crooked crap like, you know, Vader has done and Kylo is done and everybody is done.

But as long as you just do one act at the end, audience will forgive you and you're going to be a good guy at the end. And that's, I think it's lame. Yeah. No, I hear you. I think, I'm curious to see what they do in the last episode. I'm hoping it's more of a really quickly. She's the reason why Vader didn't find out the location or the existence of Luke.

I'm sure they're going to do that. But then leave it at that, you know, and then go to the other plot hole, which is the main one, which is Obi-1 and Darth Vader. And that's the stuff that I loved what they did in this episode. They, they, they, we talked about this when, when you and I did our reaction to the trailer was that the way that they sold me on this movie years ago was that scene in Return to the Jedi that I've mentioned a billion times over to the audience is tired of hearing it, but it's Obi-Wan once thought as you did. And the way that they sold it was that. they were going to play off that relationship of Obi-Wan saying, okay, the dude's still out there. And because of that line, I was thinking he would go, I got to try to get my boy back. I got to try to figure it out.

From where we're at right now, there's no way that he's going to try to get him back, nor should he? Because in the last episode, I have one conversation. Come on, buddy, come on back. And he's like, no, all right, fine, let's fight. That's probably what's going to happen. But this was the episode I think everybody was waiting for was Vader so tuned in on revenge and getting this dude and fun. And being tunnel vision side, that whole thing.

And I was hoping, that was something that we were hoping to see from the get. And with only one episode left on 36 minute episodes, it's like, what are they, how long do you think the finale is going to be? I think it's going to be an hour. Think so? Yeah. I do. You hope what you think. I think it's going to be an hour.

I really do. I have a good feeling about that. I hope you're right. The Obi-One and the Anakin Vader stuff this episode to me was pretty epic. Because what you were saying, like the storytelling of exactly that scene where they're training and you always, at least me as of you, I've always undermined Obi-1's abilities because he's softer with it, less aggressive, long game instead of the short game. Certainly play that.

And then he play that where it's like at the end, you think Vader got the ship and then they duped him. I love that part too. And he like is pulling down the ship because we've only seen that with Palpatine and Ray. Well, he did that. He did that in rebels, I thought, at one point. I'm pretty sure he did it in rebels. Maybe in the later seasons. I think he was, I think when he did it with, didn't he, didn't he do it when he first showed up with Canaan?

Oh, yeah. Actually, he might be right. He did when he first showed up. But my, I was in the second season. Yeah, first of second season. I can't remember either way. I remember the one thing that I will say about that I asked about on and I, and I don't have a gripe with it.

It's just, why didn't he do that to the Falcon, an empire strikes back when the Falcon was. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? It's maybe it was just too fast got out there in time and it's like, I don't have a gripe with it, but it because it's just too damn cool to see. Like when you look at where is that particular shot is so,

it's incredible. It's like something you see. Like, we were just at celebration, and I talked about this earlier today. That's when he took Reeve out. But, I mean, the Reva stuff, the fight itself, that scene, dude, when he's got the two saves. Yeah. And then he just tosses one on the ground. He's like, yeah, come on.

He's just, like, toying with her. He's like, I don't even need this. He's like, you're not, yeah. It was, I really enjoyed that scene a lot. This is it. So, shit, I'm sorry, I'm trying to find all the. There's all this stuff. I can't. Oh, that's the beginning of it, or the end of it anyway.

This shot here, this is such a great shot. Like this is something, these shots here are like, this is what you see at Star Wars Celebration, like the art. Like that looks like, if you saw that stuff at like a booth at celebration, you know, you'd be like, oh man, imagine if you ever saw that in like. Yeah. Yeah, it's like builds an entire story in one shot. Yeah, look how great that is.

And it's, and he came in like just pissed. Yeah. And this to me is such good storytelling because it's like it surprised me. Whereas a lot of the choices, even though I like them, they're not surprising me. And it's so fun when you're getting surprised over what their decisions and choices are. Yeah. And I thought so. I thought that they did that pretty well with that.

And that's why he's just that's why it just some of the inconsistencies where he comes in. Because he's coming in hot and he's furious. And that's why he's able to rip the first of all, pull the thing down, rip the things from the side of those is devastating. And then they duped him. And they kind of go back to that moment where he's doing, Obi-Wan tells him, you can't be as aggressive.

You've got to look around at all sides. You can't just lead with what you're leading with, with this aggression. And it ultimately, again, bites him in the ass. And I loved all that. But then he's that hot. And yet he just lets Reva live. He's messing with it the whole time,

which I thought was phenomenal. I loved the choice that they made with like, he's like using martial arts. arts force. Like he's a great. Like that's the choreography, everything about it.

It was just the end. And they didn't really explain how the Grand Quisitor survived. She's like, yeah, I'm alive. I know that we know about the two stomachs things,

but like, but they didn't tell anybody that. No. But the other stuff that I liked, I thought Camille was great in this episode. They used him in a way where he wasn't overbearing

in that Marvel type of way. O'Shea Jackson Jr., what they did. So the stuff again with Talam. And so she, I think that the reason why I cared when she died in the episode is because of how good of an actress she is. It's another reason I think that these 32 minute episodes

are playing a disservice to the characters. You could have built her out more. And the droid, same thing. Like, that clearly was a rogue one type of moment, but K2SO had way more time for us to get attached to and did more than that. Yeah, we only got one other scene with that. When he almost knocked the thing out with the hammer.

It was it. And it was like, you know, it was a sweet moment. But it was the same type of non-attachment with, you know, the rebels that died. It's like, well, who were they? Why don't know. Oh, everyone's sad. I'm not, I don't know who that person is. Same thing with the droid.

It's like, oh, that was nice. The droid did that. But like, I don't have any attachment to that droid. And that's the stuff that the show's doing that it's, that's, it's there. That's the bummer of it all. It's like, it's there. And they're just not spending enough time with, with it. It's just kind of, and like the layest stuff I really liked to.

wouldn't she, the respect of getting up on that ladder, because they don't, she's not doing a lot in this episode. We're just like, okay, here's, they got to chase her around and she's doing, she's just doing the tech. She's, that's her skill. Yeah. Why was the droid evil, though? I thought it was just a tracking device.

Um, I, oh, that thing that they have on it has, um, they really, yeah, you can take control of the droid if that's on it. So I think the droid wasn't evil, but warning her, like something is on. I thought that at that moment. moment, but it wasn't the droid the one that messed up the wires in the first place? Maybe I'm wrong. Oh, yeah. I missed that if that was, yeah.

I might have caught that moment. Yeah. But I like that too with Leah. I thought that was like a good use of her size and abilities at that time. That made sense. So, you know, the way this all led up in general, I thought was, it was good. They haven't done anything with the other, was it the third brother? What's, who's the guy with the?

Oh, seventh brother. Condom on his head. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They haven't really done anything with him. No. He's, I don't even think he's ignited his lightsaber.

No. He's just like pissed the entire time. He probably will in the next one. Maybe, yeah. Because they're probably all going to, you would assume that now we know, for people who were worried about rebels retcon. Yeah.

Well, clearly the Grand Inquisitor doesn't die and he's going to be back. And even that dupe of giving her the pin of Grand Inquisitor, like Vader was toying with her the whole time. I love that. I also love the fact that she calls out, she says to Obi-Wan, she's like, he's going to know that I'm going to do this. And he's like, you know, I was like, nah, not really. And he did, of course he did.

Like, Obi-Wan kind of set her up and go, Obi-1 is the king of manipulation. Yeah. He really did was like, made her feel like it was going to be okay. You'll be all right. Do it. She was his decoy, essentially. More or less, I think he was trying to help her out.

But like, you know, and then with bail organa, say, and all this other things like, hey, I haven't heard from you a little bit. You're like, Seth's a bra with her phone. Like, what's going on? But, Bail, why are you dropping your kids' names and locations on this thing? But it's things like that. Yeah, it's like that was such a new move, man. Yeah, right.

I'm going to be in Tattooing at 4.15 p.m. Right. Don't tell anybody. Or at least self-destruct this message immediately. Don't throw it in the sand. Yeah. Or give it to. male. Right. It's like little things like that. It's like and I think one of the bummers is that I'm, I was, I just like,

fired through Stranger Things season four. Have you watched it yet? No, I'm not. I'm on season three. Okay. I'm almost done. And it's just like the season, the season, the season four is just like masterful storytelling. So cool. And season four is as good as the first season. Damn. The first season to me is by far the best. Same. For me, for Stranger Things, it was Stranger Things season one is, was the best. Three was second for me. And then the one was okay. Four is on par with one. And it's, it's really good. And they spend enough time and they develop everything. And it's like, there's a couple things here and there. Anytime you spend that much time, you'll have a couple nitpicky things. But for the most part, just really good storytelling. And it's like, and as I said to Roxy and Brett, who were in here before, I wasn't

even excited about that show, season four. I'm like, okay, comes out. I'm going to watch it for sure, like the other three seasons. And this show, I was like, can't wait to see what they're going to into and it absolutely has a lot to do with expectations. There's no doubt about it, but it's also you can't, I can't anyway, turn my head and say that the writing is phenomenal on this show. And I love Deborah Chow. I don't, I think her best work was on Mandalorian. I think there's a lot of directing choices in here that are not phenomenal. I think directing over writing issues. I think writing is the major. Yeah, because there's a lot of stuff directing wise as she does that I think is very good. Some of the battle scenes, like the fight scene between Riva and Vader,

was fantastic. There's a lot of things that she does that's really good. But it is also her choice from what I gather the music. Major misstep, not having any of the, I've seen a couple different scenes where they've put Vader, like the Imperial March to certain battles and things that were walking in. This is only nine years before we meet him in episode four. Like, why wouldn't he have that?

The emotional impact. They put just a little, and the other tease is that they teased us inside of the first trailer with the Battle of Heroes that score. And the duel of fates is in there too. And there's none of those recognizable themes. That's what we wanted to make on our own. Kevin Kiner from Clone Wars and Rebels did a perfect blend of the original themes plus new themes and blending them all together. I love the new Obi-Won theme. I think it works really well.

And even if you blend some of the new stuff, but to not have any, of it, like when Vader shows up and not to have the dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, I think it's, like they used it in rebels and it worked really well. You lose the power, you lose the emotion. I think not having the music in this series was a major, major error. I think I understand why they were trying to do it. They were trying to give the composer the same thing that Ludwig had to where

Ludwig could create their own things. But the difference is, Mandalorian's a character we never knew before. Yeah. So, and I still think it was a misstep when they didn't use, the force theme for when Luke showed up the first time. I know why they... In Mandalorian.

Yeah, and the Mandalorian season two. And the reason why they didn't do it is because in that particular scene, had you played that theme when he still had his hood up, it would have given it away. I get it. But you could, I mean, and they played it a little bit when he showed up.

They played it a little bit when he showed up. They don't play anything in this series. Maybe they do it in the finale, but there's none of this music. But like I said, and I think that if you would have, added the music to this because this episode I think is as good

I mean I think this episode story wise is better than the third I think that the third was pretty great when you see them for the I think the reason why people love that third one so much is because you see Bader really show up and wreck shop and but this is this this this combines everything that we hope this show would be

it's just there's there's more there's more good in this episode than there are than there is bad at least in my opinion yeah definitely for me but I the music things are the things that I don't necessarily pick up on, but I agree with. I'm going to show you,

before you leave today, because I don't want to get a copyright thing, but I'm going to show you someone recut the episode three fight with actual music from the prequels and Imperial March, far superior, far superior than what they do in three. But it looks like most people are on board with that. But again,

there are some people who say, no let it go with the original music i'm curious where where the audience uh stands on so comment um would love to hear your thoughts on um before we move on which we're gonna do we'll talk a little bit more about obi one but we also some shows tycho wittiti has a had some statements about his new movie there's apparently coming out the end of uh 2023 yeah what um all right let's get into um athletic greens i've told you about athletic greens step you've been using it yet i had some is really good I need more. Yeah.

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Thank you, Steph. You've made this all men's life. Do it. Do it. All right, anything else that we need to talk about with episode five, the main... I'm going to go through some of these pictures real quick and then we'll shift. But, I mean, that image is so good. So cool.

I almost want to make that the thumbnail. I don't know if this is too big of a spoiler, but did that once for... I can't remember what it was. For one of our shows, I put the... I name a job and be like, ah, nice spoiler. Oh,

I love that shot. That's my version. But yeah, all this stuff that they did. And see, look, he just, he doesn't look 20 years old there.

Yeah, no. Yeah, he looks like. He looks, he still looks good. I mean, we're talking about hating Christians.

Of course, he looks great. But I, he's not 20. No, he's not 20. And, and I don't know

if this is him the whole time in the, in the outfit, and even this moment is going on with her when she's, you know the deemer the grand inquisitor and all all that it's like it works out this this was definitely

the most layered episode for sure it it was and i think that the one thing i will tell people that if you're not on board with it and you just hate the show and i said this before i mean instead of complaining about it just don't just don't watch it anymore yeah because you're not going to you just i don't think it's going to win you over because you get these stupid comments of like well if you clearly you people clearly just love everything it's like i i clearly don't love everything um from if you've listened to this episode but i'm enjoying when i'm watching because i'm i'm still do i can take a lot of the stuff out that i that i enjoy this scene by the way i really enjoyed i want to know whose lightsabers these are i'm sure that there's some video out there that's going to tell us oh yeah

match them i'm sure yeah like i don't i i i i can't tell that kind of stuff but even like this this was emotionally he's got the he's got the robe and and all that that stuff. There are some really great moments inside of this whole particular thing. And the continuing the flashback of this, you know, these shots of them. And I'm sure that this to them was very nostalgic to be able to do that again. This shot was great too, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. There was like really cool Vader shots that have this like 80s nostalgia feel. And even late 70s is it. Yeah. I mean, and so this is where when we're talking about Debra Chow, I think she's a fantastic director. And even

though I think that she, the stuff on Mandalorian was, was better. There's some stuff in here that is like this. This was straight up an homage to New Hope. You know, like the, this is the first image a lot of people remember from ever seeing in Star Wars. And like she, she recreated that and she did that kind of stuff.

And by the way, and I mentioned this too, Steph. This is also very, um, this whole sequence of them being locked, is very last Jedi when they're, remember when the rebels or the resistance is all tied in. at the end of Last Jedi and the First Order is coming after him before Luke saves him.

Oh, yeah. This was very similar to that. Because, you know, then they come in and all this stuff was, I mean, the imagery here, like this type of, these types of things, like this shot was great. Yeah, sick. Yeah, and she's coming in, like. Oh, the one nitpicky thing. Yeah. When she's like talking to Obi-1 about the door negotiating, not even through the door,

when they met up when he went out without a lightsaber. Oh, yeah, yeah. there's stormtroopers all around them and they're not whispering. You're telling me the stormtroopers don't like the drama. Right. Yeah, right. Yeah, there's stuff like that. This, this shot was great.

Yeah. Yeah. Poor girl. Yeah, I can't believe. And I mean, that was pretty dark storytelling, especially in like today's time. Yeah, that she was like had to fake dead. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. It was tough, man. It was tough. But like... Yeah, Tala rocks. Great. See, they gave her more time to breathe, though, especially with like the 14 marks on her gun for the 14 people.

So there's more depth to that character and why, like, was sad that she was going to die, even though we always knew she was going to die. You could have gotten some more from her. But yes, I agree with you. Yeah, and then I think Oshay Jackson Jr. was great. And then we just, we get through it. And that's it.

Yeah. But I do want to talk about a couple more things that aired on, or that they ran on Star Wars Newsnet. This Tycho a T.D. thing. I want to read about that. Because there's a, where the hell is he? I got some, there he is. All right.

So Tyca, he had something to be said. Where the hell is it? A Star Wars Visions comic to tell a new story from the World of the Duel. That's cool. Oh, that's cool. It's one of my favorite episodes. I wish you would have gotten to meet my buddy. Yeah.

I saw him briefly at celebration. All right. Tycho Otis is creating original characters and stories for his Star Wars movie. Mike Kellanowski would be happy to hear this as well. Tyco Otiti was asked about his new movie. He was recently interviewed by Total Film to promote Light Year, and the topic of the movie was brought up. The Director said he's creating an entirely new ensemble of characters for his movie and explaining the galaxy with it. When asked about Kathleen Kennedy's comments from last month, where she said, said that Star Wars needs to expand beyond the Skywalker saga, Wattiti said the following.

Look, I think for the Star Wars universe to expand, it has to expand. I don't want, I don't think that I'm any use in the Star Wars universe making a film where everyone's like, oh, great, what's the blueprints, the Millennium Falcon? And that's Trujubacca's grandmother? That all stands alone. That's great. Though I would like to make something new and create some new characters and just expand the world.

Otherwise, it feels like a very small story. Whatti also revealed recently that he's still writing and developing the storyline of his movie, which is not great news for those who were hoping they would begin this year. Kennedy also said that internally they are aiming to release by 2023, though they are not attaching themselves to that date just yet. A recent report hinted that the movie could be gearing up to film in LA, which makes sense. The city has three volumes and Watiti has already worked with the stagecraft technology on his episode of the Mandalorian season one while filming the upcoming Thor Love and Thunder. He's currently promoting light year followed by

Thor Love and Thunder, so expect them to be asked more about Star Wars movies in the weeks ahead and we'll always keep you updated on the latest. Thank you to Miguel Fernandez, who's the man. He did Light Year? He's a character in Light Year. Oh, okay, yeah, that's what I thought. He's the cat. No, no, he's not the cat.

The cat is actually Peter Sone, who directed the Good Dinosaur. Oh, well, that cat rocks. The cat is awesome. Did you see the movie? Yes. Okay, great. Did I see you when we saw it? No, I saw it Saturday.

Okay, yeah, yeah. It's great. Yeah. It's great. Yeah. It's really good movie. But no, no. Tyco Wati plays the, he's the guy with the, it blows up the suit.

Oh, Zer. No, no, no, no. Mo. He's like the, oh, one of those. Yeah, well, yeah. Got it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Exactly. Not the old lady. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, Tycoeatheed doing this movie. It's no, I mean, if I'm betting. There's no chance. What's the percentage of this movie? comes out in December 20, 23?

15% I'd say. It's a lot higher than I was. What do you think? What do you think? Eight percent. How in the world? Yeah, there's no way. If he's still talking about writing his characters and writing his treatments and he's

got Thor Love and Thunder is still working on. That means no edits have been made. They even started shooting it. Yeah. They even started shooting it. They haven't even okayed the script. No, it's like if TV is different. Like if they started shooting TV today, then you could probably get it,

You probably get episode one, two, three out within a year time, for sure. Movies tougher, man. Especially all the marking, everything goes behind a year and a half to get it done. And that's, yeah, that's with the idea that everything basically would be Sean volume. Right. That's what you, that's how you'd probably have to get it done. So they wanted to do that. But then I think that's, I think some of the audience, I'm not,

but I think some of the audience is getting tired of just volume. Just volume. But yeah but he I mean like Thor Ragnarok's like isn't that like is it pure volume I don't know it kind of feels like it when you're maybe and that's another one I'm not sure I got it like what he's saying about expanding the universe because that makes sense I don't know why you'd bring Tyka on and then stick with Skywalker saga yeah he's definitely a type that has shown that he can expand universes I think he did that with Ragnarok I wonder where they're going to put it you know I think that I think that if they what they should try to do is do is start to set up this whole acolyte period, you know, and combine, if you're going to combine a lot of the stuff that you're doing with Mandalorian and Asoka and all those shows, try to tie in a little bit more with this High Republic stuff and see how that works out. I'm trying to think if there's anything else here.

It's a lot of Obi-1 news. The Fall Jedi, or no, I don't know. There's nothing else. Let's see. Star Wars Rumors, Ackleight will... Oh, yeah, so this is one that we saw it. Did we read this last time? Rumors, Ackleit was going to make canon of some of the Sith legends?

No. So there's a rumor. This one is from Grant Davis over at Star Wars Newsnet. The team at the Disney Insider have shared some interesting Star Wars rumors considering the future of the franchise on television. One concern... What, excuse me, one concerns certain ideas from the... legends continuity making their way into the canon through the Ackleye,

while others discusses that Disney are a Star Wars location. I don't need the Star Wars location one. I don't care about that. So the Acklite will be exploring some major Sith characters for the first time. Some people said Darth Revan. They hear they're going to bring into a lot of these legends characters like Darth Bain, Darth Nylis, Darth Malik, Darth Revan. I mean, this woman's going to be my hero if she does all this stuff.

I mean, this is the, this sounds like you're not going to be able to get away. you're not going to pull me away from the TV fast enough. I'm excited for that. And I'm telling you, the one thing that does, and I don't like when people say this, though, when they go, well, that's the problem when you have it on TV. Sometimes it looks cheap, and it's the volume and everything too.

And I know Stranger Things is not the volume. Stranger Things is on location. Stranger Things looks like a damn movie. The majority, I mean, there's one scene at the very end that seems a little kind of 80s, CGI, and it was whatever. There was enough great, stuff that I was pretty forgiving on this particular scene.

But there's some stuff in Obi-Wan that, and Mandalorian, it doesn't, but sometimes, but I think Obi-1 looks more cheap than Mandalorian does. I'd have to re-vis, I can't wait for us to revisit Mandelorian. It's going to be great. Yeah, we're going to do a full re-for-laws people, we're going to do a full re-watch. But, like, here's the difference is that you look at that scene with Vader when he's holding up the ship. That looks great.

The fight with, with Riva was great. And then there's other things that just look. And again, you go back to that scene when Leah's running around in the woods and look terrible. They shot that weird, though. Really weird. Yeah, I also like, that's like the one thing I would say, like, is the only time I was like, that was a director issue to me. Because if you rewatch it, the pace at which they're running makes zero sense. How can you not catch a child?

A 10 year old. He's just under three feet, I think, at the time. Or she might be three feet. You can catch her easily. It's just like, yeah, it's little decisions like that throughout this entire series that keep happening. That it's like, you know, it's like I said, I still, if I'm rank, we can do this after every episode. But I'm still, I'm ranking Mandalorian season two, Mandalorian season one, Obi-1, Booba Fed. I still think this show's way better than Book of Wobafet.

Yeah, I'm still on the same season, Mando season two, OB-1. season one. Wow. Yeah. That's, there's just stuff in it that I love so much. They give you a lot of great stuff.

Yeah, that I just can't, it's like, I can't not. It's hard. And look, you're following on you and McGregor for the,

in general, but I think that they can really, they can really deliver it. I'm hoping, I'm hoping you're right and I'm hoping we get an hour episode. They're in a better place after today's episode than we were yesterday thinking about the final two.

I agree with you. I agree with you 100%. It's like that. So Ryan, our, Buddy Ryan Nielsen had texted me. And what did he say? He said his overall, well, his question was to me yesterday, he said,

how much pressure do you think is on Obi-Wan to deliver tonight? And I said, look, unfortunately, I think it's already lost the people that it needed to get. Like, for the people who are skeptical about it, it doesn't matter how great the last two episodes are. You're not going to get them back for sure. And I said, but I think that the, you know, the hardcore fans are going to be invested no matter what. And for me, I've enjoyed it. but the show has been a letdown in certain aspects. But that was before last night.

And I still think that it's still, there's a lot of things that, and I think that it's a letdown when you, when you look at what the show, I think ultimately could have been, you know? And more of that. And I was, I think I was, and again, it's always expectations, but I think I was wanting it to feel and link up more

to that overall look and tone of what Mandalorian in an episode four felt like. Like when you watch Manilorean season one, it feels like it's just part of the original trilogy, the way that it's shot and everything too. And I think that they were trying to do a blend

of both the prequels. Yeah. And it plays. It plays that way, for sure. And that's just probably me, just having one particular view of what I would like to see. But again, it's very hard for me

to look at that scene if I'm holding up the scene that's awesome. I mean, that's awesome. Yeah. looked so yeah but how much more awesome would have been if he was like if if he's if it's if it's flying out and you hear he'll never not just that if if if when that plays out if if he walks through and the ship goes in and you hear dun dun dun yeah yeah it's like right like oh man it's

that's that's that's his theme it's like the rock coming out and you don't play his theme yeah it's his theme one of like the best themes if not the of all time yeah it's it's imperial march it's it's and i know people it didn't have it in episode four he didn't really get until Empire, I guess, but he had it in Rebels. So leave me alone. Anyway, so I do want to see where it wraps up. I think that, honestly, with six episodes, I hope that they wrap with a long episode for the last one.

We'll see. Me too. Let's see what my brother thinks of this episode. Oh, wait. No. You didn't say it. Didn't say sending me other information. But he was so excited for this year.

He's been really bummed by it. No, no. I'm not there, though. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, he's like, he, he, he, he, he, he ranks it under Boba. Damn. And he was, and he was, and he was looking forward to this more than, more than anything. Like, oh, that sucks. Yeah, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't like where the, uh, where the writing

of the director. Damn. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, They're the two most interesting characters, I think, ever. I think that's where it lands the most for me is that the story is there. It's just, it's not, it's just, the character study of it. And even, I get what they're going for sometimes when they're playing like these homage to ideas that have happened for, like, that whole episode four was just basically just, hey, here's this episode four again. And instead of doing that to really dive deep into the psyche of Obi-Wan and Anakin,

at this point in their lives would have been a little bit more intriguing to me. And I think that that plays and shows that that's fact when you see the response that the audience is giving you after this episode. And there's only one left now. So we'll see. We'll see how it pans out. It's right around the corner. So very curious to get all your comments, everybody.

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