The Kristian Harloff Show - Obi-Wan Kenobi Finale SPOILER DISCUSSION | The Sith Council

Episode Date: June 23, 2022

Obi-Wan Kenobi has ended. The series directed by Deborah Chow has concluded and it was a hot topic between the Star Wars fandom. Love it or hate it, we had a lot to discuss. What did you think of the epic conclusion? On today's show we talk about the finale and also discuss the possibility of a Cal Kestis show and our expectations for Andor. Kristian Harloff and Steph Sabraw are joined by special guest Jamie Costa! Follow the Council on Twitter! Kristian Harloff https://twitter.com/KristianHarloff Steph Sabraw https://twitter.com/stephsabraw Mike Kalinowski https://twitter.com/MikeKalinowski Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Learn more at jeep.com. Jeep is a registered trademark of FCAUS LLC. What a busy day today's been, man. So last night I had an instant reaction to Obi-Wan Kenobi. Did a spoiler heavy review by myself. And then obviously our big thing, Sith Council, with myself and Steph Sabra. Mike's still not able to be here today.

But Steph and I are going to be breaking down the episode talking about it. And also talk about that Calcestis scoop. I don't know if Steph even saw it. No. See? Unbelievable. But we'll talk about that also. And, yeah, I got reviews coming out on the channel today.

A black phone. If it's not out already, it will be. Elvis out of the theater reaction will be tonight and a review tomorrow. I got Thor out of the theater reaction on Thursday. It's a busy week, everybody, and that's all in our quest for a blanket. No, you'll hear about that later. It's all on our request to subscribe to the channel, $50,000. We're almost at $50,000.

So get us there, if you can. Let's do Sith Council. It's myself and Steph Sabra. Let's talk about Obie. Come on. What's up, everybody? Welcome back once again to the big thing, Sith Council Edition. It's Wednesday and it is the season slash series maybe finale of Obi-Wan Kenobi.

It was episode, it was about a 45-minute episode, give or take. And joining me is Darth Sabra. Hello, Darth's abroad. Hello. How are you? Look at you. So good. How about him showing up?

I was like... Are you excited about him showing up? Yes, everything about the episode. Did you love it? I loved it. I was eating it up like, okay. I was just, it's hilarious though. We were normally before this series started,

you and I, I think we're on the same page with everything. So I liked a lot about this episode. And what I said in my, what I said on my review this morning was, I think this was a really good finale for the show that we were given. That being said, there's a lot that is very disappointed. This show is very sloppy written. There's so much in this episode alone that I'm going to ask.

ask you questions for you're not going to have the answers to. And I'll start with this one. Okay. You remember that's episode four in New Hope? Yeah. When Luke says, what's this? And he goes, that's your father's lightsaber. Well, he could have also said to him, it's also the same thing that that woman had when

she was chasing you around in Tattoine. What's the force? The force? Remember when you were running around on the hill and that lady was coming after you when she threw you on the ground? She used the force. Like, and Owen and Baru, I mean, these, they're fighting an inquisitor, and yet they get killed by stormtroopers who can't hit Jack squat from 50 yards out.

That's, that's a nitpicky one out of all of them. But there are so many things. And the Riva turn that we saw coming before. But it wasn't like a full turn. What? What are you talking about? I was super satisfied with if they were. Good. Okay, so interestingly, how you said, it was a great finale for what we got.

I viewed it as I understood now the story they wanted to tell, and it was a great finale for the story they wanted to tell. And I love that you, that you feel that way. I really do. I'm not, I'm not being condescending. Yeah, no, no, totally, totally. I love that you feel that way. I just do not feel that way. But I will say that when I was watching the show, I enjoyed it.

And the fight was really good, right, between Obi-Wan and VAL. but the same thing started going through my head. I'm like, this is a great choreograph fight. The visuals. The visuals were stunning. Yeah. Some of the art was out of control good, but I wasn't as invested as I should have been. Like when you've seen, like, are you going to tell me that when in rebels, when Asoka fought Vader and did the same exact thing, slash his face and everything, done way better.

and also done better because the music. They finally used music at the end of the show. Yeah, Leia's music. Leia's music, the Imperial March. They used all of it. But at the end of the show, and it's like, oh, here you go, just a little bit before you. And it's like, if the one argument as well,

Vader didn't really turn into the Imperial March until that scene, and that's when he's going full Vader. So that's why, okay, fine. Yeah. Well, why not use Battle of the Heroes or Dual the Fates when they're battling each other in that, classic, like, this is an emotional moment because there's a great moment that Obi-1 has in this episode where he says to him, Anakin, you know, I'm sorry for everything.

Oh my God, it broke me. It was great, but it was like, crying so hard. But don't you wish the whole show would have been about him trying to get him back? And, and, like, he thinks about it like six times during the whole show. Yeah, I thought about that, but then I was like, it might have been not as effective to constantly go back to it. With one of the best savings rates in America, banking with Capital One is the easiest decision in the history of decisions. Even easier than choosing Slash to be in your band.

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See Capital One.com slash bank for details. Capital One and a member FDIC. I think you're just telling yourself things. I don't know. Like to me, it was so effective that end scene, like they finally meet up. Anakin's already gone at this point, but he hasn't like fully faced Obi-One, which is a part of the process, in my opinion, to get to full Dards Vader. Like when they face off and a new hope, he says something like, right,

you were once the master and I was put a learner. Yeah, he's like, now I'm the master. Yeah, that makes that moment in this episode more. powerful to me because it's true it's like at this point he was still coming at him like way with way too much rage and passion and it blinded him yes and even when he's and those moments when he's chasing after him when he when the quisseter tells him dude we don't need we got to go after them the one about canoby and he's like shut up stupid I'm going after him and quizer's like all right cool but like that the blind rage all of it but even when he but when he gets to I mean that

moment. It's just, I don't know, there's just that whole series I felt should have been focused more on him and Obi-Wan, this character study of my friends alive, what can I do? And really going after that moment that they showed in that episode one recap of everything that had happened

of Padme saying, there is still good in him. I just didn't feel it was explored or not, but you felt it was. Yeah, I feel like there could have been more moments where, like, you know, when we got to see that one scene where, I I think it was in episode three. It went back and forth between Vader and the back to tank and Obi-Wan.

Yeah. And I thought that without saying much explained the pain that this man has been living in since Mustafar, but or even beginning before that. But I do wish there was more like, I've always thought about this with Darth Vader, but I understand, I wish there was more like talking with him, like internal monologue almost, where you can kind of like sift through his emotions and, choices and feelings, but I get that he is a character of a few words. Yeah.

We're not going to get that much of him. But I hear what you're saying. Like there's a... It's even to discover more like what he was going through or even, and he doesn't even have to be the one saying it. Like there's, I don't know, there's just something about it that just didn't play out. Like, and I'll be, again, I like the episode. I just, I remember how much I was looking forward to this series.

I thought this was going to be like the next great piece of Star Wars content. Like great. Like it's good. But like we haven't had great Star Wars content since like Return of the Jedi. Great. Like yeah. People will say people who are what about, you know, Revenge of the Sith. I think those are good movies.

And now I do. And I'm way more so than I used to in the past. I think they're good. Great movie. And to me, Empire Strikes Back is a great, great movie. Yeah, it's perfect. Return of the Jedi has its issues, but it's still to me, it's a great Star Wars movie. It's a great Star Wars movie.

And I don't know. This just wasn't, I feel, you know, I'm going to take that back. I think Mandalorian season two is great Star Wars. What do you think is the biggest difference for you then? Like what makes that great and then some of the, like, Obi-1-N-on-on-on- It's a tone. Okay. It's a tone.

I feel like a lot of the tone sometimes felt like, like the writing wasn't as solid in this series. There's great visuals, for sure. And there's some moments that really play really well and work really well. but sometimes it felt cheap when it shouldn't have sometimes it looked cheap when it shouldn't have um i just it it feels like it's the same part of the universe in mandolorean seasons one and two it feels like the overall universe this sometimes feels like a different show sometimes not as much not as disconnected with as i was with like boba fat yeah bobafebette yeah bobafebeth sometimes just felt like it was out of like spy kids or something yeah yeah um

but not um in the sense that i i feel like to me i walk away with i feel like they wanted to connect the prequels and the original trilogy and they wanted to blend the styles yeah and the tone and and tell like show obi one going from a scared man who was hiding and saying that he was protecting luke but not really doing that he was just disconnecting to the force to him becoming the master again yeah that to me is all they did that tell you So, like, they did that where, I mean, that's ultimately why Quigon wouldn't show up. And by the way, we can say Liam Neeson's a liar, right? Liar!

Liar! Right, he had to be a liar, but he was a full on liar. His excuse of not, I don't do television. Talk about someone else who's aged incredibly well. Yeah, he looks awesome. They did that well. And I don't know. So let me see.

I'm going to show some of these. But they did the same thing again, Steph, in this episode. That they did an episode four with the interrogation scene. How many times is all we only? I'm going to tell everybody's leaving. Oh, about. In the ship. Oh, oh, oh, I knew.

Yeah, I knew you're going to. I'm leaving. I got to go. I did a TikTok, like watch along and I said, they're not going to get a goodbye. And then I was like, oh, they got a goodbye. And then I was like, oh, they got a third goodbye. It's like, when you go to a party, you know how awkward it is when you go to a party and you're at a party and you're like, all right, I got to go. And then it's a double goodbye.

Oh, yeah, I'm going to go. Or you're walking in the same direction. Right. Or it's, I'm going to go. It's like he like quadruple goodbyes. He says, I got to go, guys. You know, I'm going to leave. Well, you can't leave us.

You guys have been, and I love that moment. You've been protecting the Jedi. I'm going to help you guys. I got to go. Don't leave. Leah, listen. I got to go. And then O'Shea Jackson Jr.

What are you doing? I got to go. He's telling me, just get off the ship. Go. We get it. It's a big deal. Yeah. But that's what I meant by the writing.

Yeah, there's like, some callbacks. But it is a big deal. But why not do it within one massive scene? And that took like six or seven minutes. And I get it. We're leading up to the fight. And when we get to the fight,

they pitched us the rematch of the century. And it really was classic Obi-Wan versus classic beta. The fight was fantastic. I still, I think it would have, like I cannot wait to see the YouTube videos of actually getting rid of the music that they have and putting in like classic music. I think it's going to make it feel even better because it did that for episode three.

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So I'm going to bring you into the room, though. Hold on a second. Give me a second. I'm bringing in the great Jamie Costa. Hold on a second. Just give me a second and see if I can do this here. Almost here. Almost there.

Oh, look at that. I got Jamie. Hey. Jamie, we can see you, but you can't see us. So just so you know. You know, that story of my life. All right, let's bring in Jamie Costa. All right, Jamie Costa is now with us and the fans can see him.

We can see him, but he can't see us. Jamie, we've been talking about this episode here. You texted me earlier about it. Give me your thoughts on it, and then we'll go back and forth, and I'll tell you what my thoughts are and what Steph's thoughts are. So I really loved this episode. It was more of what I was looking for. And I think it highlights where it would have been fun to see.

I never had an issue with Riva, but I would have liked to have seen her less in this particular series or give her her own series, and I would have been all in. But the juicy stuff all came in, I think, on this episode. And I was really excited and happy. It was really cool to see some of this stuff. And I think they did do pretty good job on some of the loophole dialogue stuff. But yeah.

Yeah, it's funny because I was telling Steph, because Steph is looking at me like a disapproving parent right now. Because I have, I definitely have my issues with the, I think the what it is, is, Jamie, the overall series didn't land the way that I kind of hoped it would, because you and I spoke about this years ago where the idea of whether it was an Obi-Wan movie or an Obi-Wan series would essentially be him cut off from the force, him on purpose, you know, and the fact because he didn't want to be tracked down, and then realizing that Anakin was alive and being called back into it and trying to deliver on that promise to Padmay that there is still good in him and leading up to that line that ultimately in Jedi we hear of Obi-1 once thought as you did.

And I thought that that's what we were going to get throughout this series. And it's sprinkled in there, but it wasn't the main focus. And whether the main focus was, like you said, whether it was Riva's story or whether it was him more so having this new connection with Leah, which I thought Leah was even more concentrated on maybe more so than she should have been because it adds a little bit too many, and I love the girl who plays Leah. I just think it has a little bit too many issues with what a connection they had by the time in episode four that they meet or or reconnect or kind of yeah too much i would have actually preferred i again i love the little dose in fact i could have handled like the rava stuff the same way like give us a dose same if you were to bring canobie into

a vater show or another show you just give them a dose towards their story and their series uh but you wouldn't want to override their their series with canobey because then that would be distracting um but Yeah, I love Leah Obi-1 stuff. I just maybe take that down to about like one-fifth of what happened between them. So it wouldn't be too much like, hey, Leah, you know, like later down the road. Yeah, Steph, go ahead. What are you going to say? No, I agree with that.

I think that's a good point. Like, I did really like Reva. I actually loved how they tied up her story. I think if you're going to introduce a character like that, they ended up after that, I think it was second episode. We didn't get as much Reva. I feel like people got really afraid that the whole thing was going to be Reva, but I'm okay with the amount we got. In a great, like perfect world,

it would have just been like Obi-1, Bader, and then Palpatine and Quigone showing up. But I'm good with it. Yeah, I agree. I think it just, I think it would have been nice to kind of level it out so that our focuses were strong. And I think,

uh, Harlock, you put this in your little quick reaction, I love the way you put it to where, like, the way stuff landed on us in this episode today could have been really strong if we would, you know, gauged a couple of other things differently, arriving. Well, Jamie, you just proved to me that you should be on this show because the only person to watch this stuff I do when you're not on a show, right, Steph? I do sometimes. Come on. I'm kidding.

Jamie. I think Steph, she does her homework. She does. I'm kidding. Steph's the best. But that was kind of what I was saying to step before I brought you in was that was one of my issues is that the fight. I love the fight in this episode. Great.

But imagine two things. And I know we're on the same page on my second point here. But the first point is imagine if the whole thing was this lead up of Obi-Won trying to get his friend back to where he ultimately decides, I got to try to challenge him. I'm going to see. if I can get him back. And then when that moment happens at the end where he's like, Anakin, I'm sorry. And he says to him, I killed.

It's like, it was a crushing moment. But imagine the level of crush would have come, had that series been about that. And the second part where I know we're on the same page is the lack of music in this series was depressing. Yeah. And I guess they were, I guess they kind of showed us a little bit in a way where they kind of

almost purposefully didn't, let us hear it until it just dumped it on us today. Right. Right. And that's, to me, that was, but that's kind of what they were saying in that scene.

It was like, well, look, that's leading into the music that you know. But it's like, yeah, but what about Battles of Heroes? What about dual fates?

Yeah, I think they could have done with these, again, I think it shows how much they could have lessened, even the interactions with Leah, so that if, if we would have had about half or, or even less,

interaction of Leah Obi-1 stuff, which again, I loved, but it gives us about half so it's even bigger punch. You could have, you know, leaned into little subtle notes of the Leah themes and stuff like that. And then have it really come rushing in

at the end with, you know, the big punch. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Steph, I'm going to show you a couple shots that we, as we talked about. Oh, let's let's let me, before we do that, I want to ask you another thing, Steph. So why does everyone let everyone let everyone live in this show.

And for a lot of different, a lot of different things. One, the one of the things that I, and I'm playing the role of Mike Kalinowski today, I realize that. But I just had so many questions after it, because like I said, in my immediate reaction, I liked it, but I just had so many questions where one of the big problems, and I thought Moses Ingram did a fantastic job in this episode. It was her best acting so far out of everything that she did. And I think that the, I think it was the writing that was the issue, not her.

I think that she was, I think she was really good in this episode and did what she was asked to do and more so, right? But the problem with the scene with her when she goes, when it's, to me, it was super predictable. You knew it was going to happen because the issue is when you show up and Luke is running around, well, we know Luke's not going to die. We know that, right? So when she has this moment where she pulls the, this, the saber back and puts it over her head, normally you're going to be like, oh my God, is she going to do it? We know she's not going to do it.

There's there's in no world is she gonna is she gonna do it we know Vader's nowhere to be found at this point we know the inquisitor's off eating Papa John somewhere right so we know all these things that are happening he's not gonna happen so it takes away that that moment because you know it's coming like it's hard and this is where I give debor chow and everybody you know a pass because it's hard to make prequel anything because you know what's going to happen to the characters so that's probably the reason why you create a character like Reeva because you got to go you know My excuse would be, or my defense, if I was then, was, well, you guys know what's going to happen, Obi-Wan. You know where Vader and Luke and Peru and Owen, you know where they're all going on.

You don't know anything about this character. The problem is that we figured it out before you even put her on screen. You knew it was, and that was the issue with it. So it took that away. She lets him live. And then jumping back to Vader, Obi-Wan is the most irresponsible Jedi of all time and lazy as hell. because oh it was crazy in this episode today where he's like um he's like are you okay with you know given a a lying Jedi guy uh the responsibility of lea and and nobody one's like i sure

am see you later and then like i was like what that's that's that's that's one thing okay that's because at least at least he gambled with that one and camille took care of her and he took it He took a gamble. I got a good feeling about this guy. And he was right. So I'm going to pass on that one. You had Vader dead to rights twice. Twice.

And the first time, you could have just stuck him like a marshmallow. He's done, right? But you let him go because of everything. The second time, he just told you that he murdered your friend. He just said, you didn't kill Anakin.

I did. Oh, all right. Say a letter, Darth and leaves. What are you doing? After that, because of that, Vader goes and kills so many more people that Obi-1 is now responsible for because he had Vader was toast

he could slash him three or four more times Vader's dead and Obi-Wan just leaves him this is the whole new meaning to when we watch a new hope and he's like ah when the whole planet blows up he's like I let that happen damn it yes yes 100% like you could have you could have taken you would have put the emperor at such a

problem for the next nine years if you would have taken Vader up but you let him go Like why that you didn't win there you lost you left you let him live I also think this episode kind of Highlighted how the we could have had a little more lead up to what they put us Gave us today like like like quigon was kind of like hey here we go we gave what you want right right right Um, um Emperor was like hey here I am too gave you what you want and then like if we would have a little more trickle of those and then like a solid like oh my God moment with them more on this episode that would have been interesting yeah it's what they i said it's what they call like a cheap pop and wrestling like where all this stuff that we saw was great like i loved having the

emperor back i love to have quite but you're 100% right jame it's like it's like it's okay to put those in there a little earlier sprinkle them in there a little bit more like you know like if if you're playing off a nostalgic character and you're playing off of these moments of these characters where you're like well we don't want to lean back too much on nostalgia the show is about obi one could obi it's a it's a nostalgic legendary legacy character. Yeah, this is your one show you get the past. Yes, lean into it. Like nostalgia us up and have it reasoned.

Yeah, it's like it's like lean into it, man. So that was what the kind of bummer part of it all was is that it just, it could have been this character study throughout the whole entire thing. But I think that the reason that I, myself, Steph, you and everybody are giving, are saying how much, whether you really really. enjoy it, whether you enjoy this particular episode, you cannot deny that there's some fantastic Star Wars imagery going on in this show. Yeah.

Yeah. In this particular episode, I was giggling a little more and more to myself. Like, I was like, okay, now that I love. Now that I love. Right. Like imagery was more cinematic in this one. And that's what I was actually hoping for. You know, me, I'm even in my little short film, we made.

We try to make that thing super high quality. and cinematic so that you take it serious. And I didn't get that a lot leading up to this episode. But when I did, I treasured it. And what provided that a lot was the performance of Ewan McGregor. I was like every time he performed, this was the, it might be his strongest episode. I was just like, I was so like, I don't even care any faults going on.

I'm like, this guy is just delivering. And I really appreciated that. Yeah, when he was like, I'm sorry, I was really not ready for that moment. It was so, such good acting. But I'm curious, what do you guys, how would you have played out that fight between them? If it wasn't like that. The fight really, I wouldn't have changed maybe anything. It's the lead up from the previous five episodes that I would have changed.

the things inside of the story that made me more emotionally attached to it, I would have changed music. Yeah, that's why these fights are so damn good in episode one with with mall and things and then a duel of the fates anything because there's just so much emotion. We've traveled with these characters and we know why they're fighting so hard and we've been with them, you know, pretty. And this, we kind of like can watch episode three and hop right in. into this episode and be like, yeah, and it probably actually will hit us.

But if we watch this whole series up until this point, the emotion doesn't just totally get you in the gut the way I think it could. So you would have, but when you guys were like he left Darth Vader, which I agree. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think, I think, I think it actually leaves room for a follow up short film I'm going to

do. But, but that's good. I have a pitch. I'll even put it out there real quick, just as some. little bit of it. In this next short we're going to do, it's going to be a lot more intimate, a lot less than ambitious than our last one.

But it's, it's, Canobey waking up over and over and having a dark cave kind of thing going on where he keeps fighting Darth Vader, kind of like in this episode, where it's just all out, he'll go through it a couple times and he kills him every time,

but wakes up still unsettled and not, you know, not assured about it all. And so, but then Yoda's kind of conjuring up a little, like training for him and he learns to surrender completely. And I thought that's where they were heading with the vision shit. But he surrenders and learns the trick he'll apply in a new hope. And instead of killing him on the final thing in this short, he will at peace, you know, go through the first time allowing Vader to kill him in this dark cave.

And then he will be enlightened and then he's ready to be at peace. And even I've got a way to where it actually makes sense of complimenting how they fight in the new hope what's that first one out now it's got to be over what 10 million views it's got 20 million views I mean what is that thing right now yeah it's it's done really well and what that's another thing I personally selfishly love about this series is that like our short film if you watch it and watch the series right after it's very it's congruent and it's almost like I want to believe that they looked at it and like winked to us a little have you seen his short yet I got oh yeah I want to see it's really good I before I got

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Some of these, I do have, poor Jamie, can't see any of these posts. I'm going to figure out how to do, eventually you'll be able to see the screen too. But I'm just very proud of myself right now, Jamie, that I was even able to bring you in. I learned how to do that. I don't know how to. I'm proud I was able to figure it out on my end, too. Well, you didn't do anything wrong. I just figured there was a setting that I had to do.

But they, does anybody know why Reaver was wearing a hood in this episode? She didn't wear a hood the whole series? Why she wearing a hood in this episode? Is there a reason? She's... He had already made her presence known in tattooing, I think. So she just kind of wanted to maybe have a sneaky entrance or whatever. Yeah, you're making excuses too.

Also, she's, like, sick right now. She was stabbed through the stomach. Why she needs... Well, when you're sick, you wear sunglasses, you feel ugly. You want to be more covered up. It's a bad day, guys. You guys are reaching. You're reaching.

She's got... This is the same... This is the same woman, I guess maybe because she, you know, was... hanging people in Times Square and doing all that. She wanted to keep a low profile. But right away, she showed, and then she takes her hood off. So, I mean, so much for that. But you see what I'm saying, though?

Well, who's just a hood? But why she, you know, you know the answer to why she wore a hood? Why? Because it was very clear at the end. What they wanted to do is they wanted to show the parallel between her and Anakin. That was the whole reason she wore the hood. And she wore it at the very end. and she had it at the end because then they could then do that,

that blend between her and showing Anakin, and she even says, which I thought was a very sweet and a great moment between her and Obi-Wan, the best moment I think of the character where she's like, am I just like him? And she's bawling, the tears are coming out. And he's like, no, not at all. And she's like, I let them down.

You didn't let him down? You actually did them justice. That was great. And I understand. So that's, so that was kind of the quiz for you guys. I understand why she was wearing the hood. but it also is

Yeah You know like They're banging you over the head with it going She's gonna be like Annigan Nah no she's not Yeah the show like really dug into the parallels Like even when you were talking about The Asoka and Darth Vader battle

Where she took off part of his mask That was the left side And then Obie got his right side And then it like is to get to the Luke got the whole mask off Yeah that's that's true And that's where to go back to that that's where I think music is so effective. Like if you put both of those fights together,

and obviously there's more to this fight, money, live action, all of it, right? But if you put the music of Kevin Kiner on what he does in that scene compared to this, there's no comparison. There's no comparison. But the other, and here's another question. And I am here today to ask all the questions as far of why, because maybe again, you can give me the answers that I'm looking for.

But Obi-Wan Kenobi is, this is nine years before New Hope. He's strong in the force when we see him in New Hope, but he's not lifting up rocks, Ray style, strong. Yeah, that was like fucking palp team. He's like, chagach, got, chagot. He was, he's throwing, he's throwing bombs. He's throwing bombs. And it was devastating to watch Vader get hit with those.

and like him going, oh, like, great. But what the hell does Obi-1 need Luke for if you can do that? Well, nine years. Nine? Just nine years. Just nine. Oh, I mean, nine years later, I want to see Alec Guinness, like a deleted scene like, you should have seen me.

I used to throw rocks. I was lifting all kinds of shit. It's the truth. It's the truth. But yeah, man, it was, it's, it's just, at that point, it does, you've got to be able to. And I understand that by the time you get to this after seeing the other episodes, you can't be as nipicky as I am being right now because that's what the show has been giving you since episode one, right? But I just, it doesn't, it doesn't take away that there's just a lot of questions that does.

It doesn't play into, it's, it's, the handling of tying everything in wasn't done as smoothly as I was hoping it would be. Yeah. You know? So that's that's one of the things that I think that people have an issue with overall. But I will tell you this, I liked the series. I'll put, I'll put Mandalorian season two, Mandalorian season one, Obi-Wan, Boba-Fat. But I don't want to see a second season of Boba-Fat, and I don't want to see a season.

second season of oboe one um i think for me they ended it where you wouldn't right where the i think the one because i was looking for all the where they would leave the doors open and the one line that really sealed it was at the very end with lea or whoever he goes you know where to get contact me and i was like wait does that mean like as in like we'll have more seasons or was it like i would assume it's more like um i'll be here for when you hit me up in a new hope when your planet blows on. Yes. That way, but before it's about to. Yeah. And that's, well, that's what it was intended for. Every time they asked Deborah Chow or Hayden Christensen or anybody about it, they all say the same thing. It was intended as a one-off, but we're open to talking about season two now

because Kathleen Kennedy said that. Once she said that, then they all started saying that. But, but that was the money signs will definitely open it back up. If, if this proves, you know, especially today's episode if it just like draws in everybody or whatever well the ratings were out of control the ratings were out of control for this series and even I can't imagine what the what the finale did and and but that's also because

and you and McGregor was clearly part of that but but Vader was a massive part of that yeah I don't think you can keep I think you'll start to cheapen it if Vader's just chasing Obi-1 around the whole entire time leading up to New Hope it's like you can't I think that that's what I think they did very well in this episode is what you just mentioned, Jamie.

Like they set that up with, with, with layer really well of like, when you need me, you know where to find me. He says to, to, to Jimmy Smith. And he's like, yeah, you know where to find me. If you need me, call me. And they do. Great. Set up perfectly.

But don't leave so much information on the voicemail. So 100%. Next time, you know, yeah, you know, just make it vague. Just make it vague. But yeah, but they set, they set up a bunch of things. They said it. I mean, the stuff with Owen, though, Owen seems to like it. Obi-Wan by the end of the series.

Why is he all pissed off again nine years later? What did Obi-1 do? He's still the milk office porch. It's kind of the similar note, if you recall, the short film I made where, like, there's a little bit of a head nod between them, like, all right, all right, you know, like, we're good. Right. But keep, keep away.

Keep your distance. Keep your distance. But, like, I just don't think that they need. I would much rather see a Vader spin-off series. Yeah, I was thinking that. Like, if they do a spin-off, I think it would. be a Darth Vader series and it would be like him let like letting obi one chase go yeah just like they'll work with palpatine because they set that up with palpatine that that's where you could go

into it because that was a great scene where they had he's just he he he says to him you'll pass with y'all lest that and he's like my my allegiance is to you all right then let's do it punk you know and that's it and that's six episodes but make it about fader yeah make it about fader that that was a What did y'all think about that? I thought that switch was way too quick in a little moment where Vader's like, we're going to kill everybody till we find him. We're going to blow up planets. And then his master's like, I think you're a little too much.

And then he's like, you're right. You're my master. I won't ever think about it again. Well, you know, that and in mind, Jamie, because that's their relationship. That's their relationship. It's like he's, this is this, like there's a, nobody can control that pit bull except one. guy. Yeah, he's the best groomer in the world. 100%. We could have,

we could have seen that. Well, I guess you would wait for a Vader series, but that's where I think the, I think the, um, Raba uh, Vader series could have been its own thing, where she's doing this inquisitive stuff and it, because you, you, you have inquisitors and Vader kind of paired a lot. Right. Usually in comics and stuff.

So that with a little bit of emperor stuff, like that could be its own series and then splice in. I thought that's what they were going to do in this one is kind of drop in maybe a character like Thron to like launch us towards thinking about his series or something. Well, I think Throne, where'd you go? Thron's going to be, Thron's going to be a big part of the Asoka series. Oh, okay, yeah.

Yeah, so that's why they're saving that for, which I thought was great. Because you don't want to, you don't have too many people. And I think the fact that they had the way that they led that up, they could lead. That's why if they do, not a sequel. to this or part two to this series. It's like just spin it off the Vader. If you're going to do a legacy character, do Vader. I think that Disney and Lucasfilm,

and I also want to be careful. This is a Disney thing because it drives me nuts. It drives me crazy in the comments section when people always go, well, Disney doesn't know how to make Star Wars. Well, you should say Lucasfilm doesn't know how to make Star Wars. Because Lucasfilm is who Disney gives them the money. They can give them notes, but it's Lucas film that comes to them and says,

hey, we want to make this series. We're going to make this series about Obi-Wan. Here's where we're putting in. And then Disney will also say, say, well, hey, that person's kind of family friendly. Can you do this, this, and this? Yeah, but Lucasfilm is calling the shots on the movies and TVs that shows that they make. So when people say that, well, Disney Star Wars and Disney, Disney gives them money.

Disney gives them money. Lucasfilm makes the call. However, I do think that there will be a note that will come from Disney if Lucasfilm says, we want to run a series and we're going to run a series on Vader. Well, that's risk it. So you're running it with a villain. on Disney Plus, because that is their brand, so they can have... It would have paired Reva, because then we could have rooted for Reva in an interesting way,

and then it would have been balanced, I think. Well, maybe that's what, in this, I'm just curious if they're going to take the shot. Because I think that from what they're saying is the Acolyte is the series that's going to run with villains. Because it's more, I mean, you'll have good guys in it, but it's supposed to be about the Sith. And there's rumors that, like, Revin and Bain and all these people, like, you know, they are mentioned and talk to. about. So I'm curious how they're going to, how they're going to do that and how they're going to lead with it because leading with a villain, you'd have to have somebody be the good guy in that

series. And you don't want it to be Obi-1 again in a Vader series. But you could, and that's why I think Andor, I think Andor is now set up to do really well. Yeah. Yeah. Because all Andor has to be is decent, feel like Rogue One. Have a darker, a little more. serious tone, look a little bit more like Star Wars and not so much TV-ish. And I think this show, I think people, I'm, I'm, if Rogue One, if Andor is good, like, like, good. I think people, you're going to hear who would have thought, and or are so much better than, than Obi-Wan.

You're going to hear it because with the team that they've got over there. Yeah, solid. It's a solid team. And that trailer would be a good. If this show, the Canobi series was shot, I think this is one of the most beautiful Star Wars films shot. If it was shot like Rogue One. Yeah, I know. That's what, yeah.

Or it looks like it's following the Rogue One like, you know, very high production value cinematic look. That was the problem with Obi-Wan is that sometimes it just looked, it looked like TV. Sometimes it looked like TV. It was TV, you know, at points. And then it points, it was very, especially today, there was like, a night like you see where they could have sat longer and more cinematic vibe yeah i would have almost been okay with with four like yeah one hour episodes you know like so or similar to like what they're doing with stranger things these hour and 10 minute episodes like four episodes and just dive

deep into the character and don't and don't be like don't just assume that's the that's the reason why tv i think it has the reason to make star wars so much more special is Don't assume because you're making Star Wars that people just want to see the big explosions and the fights and just dive deeper. Like let's get some more dialogue heavy and those types of things. Yeah, those will come. And I mean, you'll talk to any Star Wars fan and some of the favorite, especially if they're into the prequel, some of the favorite moments are things like the little talk with Plagueist and Anakin, you know, and not Plague's about Plague's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's like the best moment.

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You saw it too. Thank you, Jamie. Thank you, Jamie. Jamie's showing you up, Steph. Yeah. So. It will not be showing up, Steph. She can.

Watch what I do now. No. Jamie, you can't see where I just got booted. This moves. I just moved. Oh, no. I just moved stuff out of the panel. She's back.

She's back. Like Liam Neeson. She's back. Yep. But yeah. So someone had reached out to me. We talked someone that I, that I have trusted before,

with scoops in the past. And we talked about how it's not necessarily confirmed yet, but the source had said that Cameron Monaghan, who plays Calcestis in the video game, has signed on to do a series, a live-action series, for Disney Plus playing the role of Calcestas. Now, this could make sense in between the time period of the first game and the second game,

how much it ties into the time period of, Obi-Wan. Who knows? They said there's no production date signed on. There's no production date set at the moment. He's just signed on. Things could change. You never know.

And I stated it very heavy inside of my report that it was a rumor at the moment. But I do trust this particular person who says that Monaghan is indeed signed on. Where do you stand on this, Jamie? Would you like to see this series, especially if it tied into this particular time period? And does this kind of go into what we're talking about of maybe going away from some of the legacy characters staying inside of that time period, but developing some new, uh, some new peeps. Yeah. Oh, yeah, very much. I mean, that's, I think that's the smartest move that Disney could do is like weave in these, these, these new, uh, established characters, uh, like from the games,

etc. Uh, into, you know, shows like, uh, Canobi or whatever. That's why I wish him in a little bit or something towards Fallen Order more than the Inquisitors, uh, uh, uh, uh, And Knobe said that you kind of, because I mean, they, I already thought they were going to do something because in like Mando or Fett, I can't remember, we're on Tatooine and his little, his little gadget guy is on Tatooine. Right, right. Looks just like it. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know.

Maybe that wasn't the same, but I thought it was the same. Yeah, some people did. A lot of people thought it was BD1, yeah. Yeah. But anyway, yeah, I think it's super smart move for Disney. I think that I would watch it. I would totally watch it, Cal. show. I love the game. I thought it had good story and stuff. What do you think, Steph? Is that something

you'd be interested in? Do you think it could work? Yeah, I really like this actor in general. I think he's awesome. Shameless. Yeah, and I love that they design the character after his look and voice. I think that's dope. And people really like this. I tried to play this game. I found it pretty hard for a beginner gamer. Just keep falling off hills and stuff. Yeah, like I just couldn't I just watched the story on YouTube. Yeah, same. Yeah, the puzzles get a little redundant and a little much. I would have to look up how you get past it from them. Every time I just kept falling off things and I'm like I'm like look

man you got to make this very simple for me. It is fall in order like I really kept falling like I really it wasn't I got stuck in a lake and I was just running around the lake for like I don't know how long and I'm like come on man just show me like that's why I love certain games like I think it's like after a while

they pop up show an arrow or something like hey stupid go this way like that's I need more we've got a special one over here I need I need I need more of that. I need more of like, hey, dumb, dumb, go this way because you're taking too much time. Yeah, but the story's dope. And I think that people, Star Wars fans are begging for characters liked in Jarn that are outside of the characters that we always see.

And still connected inside the time period. That's why I thought Mandelorian does so well, is that it was able to connect certain things. And that's why I never had an issue with bringing Luke. I've said this many times over because it would make sense that's when he would well, but they don't rely on him. Some people say maybe they relied on him in Boba Fet, but it's still, I think that was to set up where we're going in season three of Mandalorian. And once, yeah, once you see.

Because I think the reason that they did that also was to say, look, we have so much story to tell in season three. We don't want to spend a full episode of having Dingo all the way back there, get him back, whatever. And Asoka. Right. It's like we got to just, let's put him in like this. They should have maybe called the Boba Fish.

It would be an anthology series or whatever the, hell it was, but that's another conversation altogether. But if you see, did you get, I don't know if it leaked, Jamie, but were you at, you were at Star Wars Celebration, weren't you? Yeah, yeah, I saw you. I saw you. I saw you. Were you, did you get into any of the panels? Uh, no, no. Okay. I, a few of my friends that were holding their own panels, but I didn't get into like some of the main ones. Well, so do you get a chance to see the, the, the Mandalay, I don't know if it leaked or not, but did you get a chance to see the Mandalorian thing yet? Yeah, my YouTube has like ushered me in, you know, videos saying like it's leaked here, check it out, and I just haven't looked at it yet.

Because it's, it's, it's awesome. And they showed, they showed us one, the first one they showed was really good to stuff, the short one. Oh, yeah. It was great. But then they showed like the extended one, that extended one is going to kick people's ass when it comes out. Like, yes.

Like, that's why I was saying also earlier today. I don't care like there, because this one, I will say, that's, that's a difference with Obi-1 and Boba-Fet. Like, there were a lot of people who didn't like Boba-Fet, but I don't think Boba-Fet was the type a character where so many people, like you saw more discourse in this show than we, since Last Jedi, right? Not as, not as heavy, but it was there and there are people battling and stuff. And I think that's because Obi-Won's such a beloved character, a kind of a legacy character and all those things. But the difference is, and I stand by this with television, this show will be in the

rearview mirror by August. And then everybody's going to start talking about Andor. And like I said, If Andor delivers, then people are going to go, oh, man, who would have thought Andrew was the better series? And then, yeah. And then Mandalorian comes out in February and you're going to forget about it as opposed to sitting in two years. I don't understand that is what I don't understand. They could have shot this series more cinematic.

And that's why I don't understand why they wouldn't do that. Like they, it is. Are you saying the way it looks or the way it Was written or both? A little bit of both. Yeah. But I would say especially certain TV aspects, we can point to the easy ones like Leah getting chased around in the cardboard.

Oh, that was my least favorite scene of the entire. In the woods? To me, I were looking at that. And if you were, if I was literally at the high ends of Disney and Star Wars and they were kind of like show on that, you know, for you, I would be like, that's not leaving the room. Right. No. Like, but that's why.

I believe like it just seems like they were like sure sure that works yeah it tells us they'll be they'll be fine with it just just just just it's like and she's doing like these slides and stuff I just watch it again but here here is here is the counter to that yeah where it's it's not it's not a very great counter but it is the counter where what what that Disney or Lucas film exec would probably say to you at that point is all my 10 year old will love it which is not right that's This is not that. That's what I would have argued is that Obi-1 is the one show that wouldn't, I wouldn't have said, this one's the one for the kids. Right.

And that's, and this is the adults that want to just sit in there and hear them talk about lore or see Obi-1 slowly arc into revelation, all the things, instead of like a little kid's show, you know. Yeah, and that's where that, but again, the counter to that has to be we want to get everybody involved because I will tell you. tell you this. I watched Obi-Wan with my with my 10-year-old loved Leah. Like that's that's she's yeah. Oh yeah. I get it. Yeah. And that's what and that's what Vivian wants, what my my daughter wants to watch.

She said she's she there you're highlighting the the deal. It's she should have had her own show if she still won't be. I don't know what she might still. But to me like she was so well cast. Again, I love some of the stuff.

with like Canobi and her and her dad and stuff like that. Like I loved her scenes. But it's like... I'm with you, dude. I'm with you. She had, they put Lay in it too much. Oh, let her show be her show. I feel the same with all of it. I feel the same with, I mean, when you sell an Obi-Wan show to people, it should be about

Obi-One. When you sell a show, I mean, and he's, yes, he's in it. And any, and the counter that could also be like, all Star Wars has like these counter-char characters that are doing these things, too. I like and that's where I just said I didn't mind when when like Luke shows up in Mandalorian because it made sense I loved seeing young Leah I loved seeing and knowing why she was there and having that scene I think once you get that kidnapping and and he's they take her whatever and he rescues her get her back to Alderon you just

wanted more Obi-1 in an OB-1 series which I totally I to go back to your point about the discourse about this show specifically like I I feel like that's because Because Obi-1 has always been, like, the lynchpin of the entire Star Wars. Like, this entire story that they're telling within Star Wars. Obi-1 is the thing that people liked in the prequels. We loved him, obviously, in episode four. So I feel like there was so much pressure for him to continue to be the connected piece. And if you're like me and it connected just fine, because I was a prequel baby, I feel like

it works more for people like me. But if you, like, were an original, then it's not, it's not. It's a little more puzzled together differently. I mean, do you think it connected just fine and it could have connected further? Or do you, are you actually like, no, I love the way it connected. Yeah, I think I love the way it connected, but I definitely think it connected more. I'm with you guys where I just am so thirsty for Star Wars dialogue that we never get. I'm like, I want the lore.

I want more. Deep dive a little bit more. And that's the thing is that it's not like, like, all it costs. more money to make these episodes 45 minutes. Add more dialogue. Here's a perfect example. The scene with Bill Burr and Dinn in that scene in the prison, when you learn more about Bill Burr's character, Bill Burr turned everybody around on him from going from, oh, that's Bill Burr. He's got a Boston accent to that's a layered character, man. And like moments like that were not in this show and they should have been. Like, and that's, you know who had a moment like that? Tala kind of had a

had a moment like that, you know, like where she was talking about. Yeah, before she died. Before she died, when she talked about the things that she was in, they were, they were giving her those moments. And I, because she's such a fantastic actress, she was delivering on them, but then she was gone, right? We didn't really have. I felt she was so, so wasted because she's so good in it and for such a short amount of time.

But again, I think you could just put her in the Cal show or something, you know, the Cal one. Yeah, I mean, but she, I didn't mind, I didn't mind her. I didn't see but that was the angle I actually liked having her on that in on that side of it I thought she because the stuff that they did what they could have yeah they could explored more with inside of this show what are you going to know it within Obi-Wan and branching out to because you can't just in any show in the in how writing works you can't just have one show be about one storyline and not have a storyline B a storyline C you just can't do that because it it it devalues storyline a eventually so it If you did something along the line with storyline B, storyline A is Vader and finding out Vader and trying to bring his friend back. But inside of this branches off into this whole thing with the Jedi who were on the run, the Quinlan Voss stuff, all of that, the side missions and finding out a little bit more about the...

I just real quick. Like, you know how, like, the Jedi were, like, in this safe haven and, like, whatever. Are those Jedi actually? Because nobody pulled out a lightsaber. Not the ones Not the ones that are Those people weren't Wren't

The one he's Like because obviously There's one guy who's Pretending and lying about being a Jedi No no no those weren't No I think they were coming The way they said they were coming in And like kind of passing through

And those people helped them That's why Obi-1 says to him at the end Where he says like you guys have helped out So many different Jedi over the years Like the lady that we were just talking I can't remember names of characters But she was talk She's like yeah

I'm the I'm the end person of like there's more than you think Jedi coming in and out and like I thought she was hosting and keeping safe Jedi's and stuff well she was but she was but not not there though she's a kind of like shepherding them kind of in and out that's those people like who are those people like who are those people

like refugees and and things that are along the way that that have that that's that's they're not all those weren't all rebels I guess yeah like what was O'Shea Jackson's character's name he like his wife was a Jedi. So maybe people like him were the Jedi. People have connection. Yeah. It's people who believe in the religion and believe in and believe in them and don't believe the propaganda against them.

And that's, that would have been fascinating. Like, and then, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, imagine a scene where Obi-Wan at that point has to somehow spy it up and go back to Corrassan somehow, you know, and a scene there of something like, what, what's Corrisson like at that point? So there's a lot of different

things you can go into the what-ifs many times over, but, either way, I think there's some great moments in it. There's some great stuff that you can take overall. I am going to rewatch it again with my daughter because she's enjoying it for sure. And then that's what I said about TV. And then I'm going to move on to the next one. And now Indor is right around the corner. And if it's done right, who knows, we might be part of that saying,

it's just a better made show. Because I'm watching right now, I just finish Stranger Things. and I'm and now you get the new did you watch you up to up to date yet? No. Okay. Jamie, are you watching Stranger Things? Yeah, it's good. I'm on episode three.

Dude, this show is. I heard it's sick. It's so good. It's so good and it's so like that they turned the dial up. They really did. And it's really good television. And then I'm on,

I'm on episode six of season one of the boys right now. So you're just talking about super. You're just talking about superior television right now. And it's not. like you can't look over, and this one you can say Disney. It's not like Disney and Lucasfilm doesn't have the cash and the firepower to make shows like that. You don't have to dumb it down. You can go fire it in. And that's why I think you bring in someone like a Tony Gilroy and to do because they could wind up shocking you here. And this and or show might turn out to be one of the

best surprises that we've seen thus far because from everything we've heard, and or looks like it's going to do exactly what we're asking for. And that's dive deep. Let's find, let's go to the psyche, let's go a spy show because you can't just rely on, on, you know, the over, overcooking of the volume and all that stuff. You got to, you got to dive deep. And I think that's what this is going to be. Yeah. I think Andor is going to be, after that trailer, I was kind of like, that's exactly what I needed to see to be really on board for this. Yeah, I'm starting to get sold more.

And I wonder, I wonder how people who are not a fan of Canobi are going to feel. There's going to be, there's going to be two people, two types of people. that watch that are watching and or right well it gets more than two but i mean there's going to be skeptical people that i'm talking about the people that didn't like the obam one series it's going to be skeptical people who are going to go in saying i hope it's better than this if not i'm done or and i don't love it but hopefully this one's good or i'm not watching it because i just i'm just over it right i think that's a disservice to the fact that you know it's it's you should always give something a chance out of respect for diego luna we hope

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This could have been a film. The way it played to me today, I'm like, oh, I see all the stuff I think that was the meat and potatoes could have been stretched further throughout the series. And just, like you said, make it either a shorter, tight, like hour three to four hours. episodes or just a nice lush movie. Yes, but I would, a stranger things again, feels like a full,

and the boys feel like a full on. Yeah. Continuous just film, right? There's no like fillers. There was a couple fillers. Like I think, I think episode four was, was the,

was the most filler out of all of them. But everything else kind of tied in. One, two, three, and five and six. All kind of tied in together. I'll admit the Obi-one show didn't feel like, It had fillers.

It's just what kind of my points earlier is that I just think some other shows that maybe were already developed kind of got pushed into this show. Maybe, maybe. So that's why I say we should rank it at a 10. What do you give this show? So we'll start with Steph. 8.5. Wow. That's high.

That's a good ranking. Jamie? It's so difficult. Because it's like, compared to the, because I wasn't a huge fan of the newest movies of Disney and the episodic movies. So compared to what I was getting from that, I was excited. So I would push into the sevens. Yeah, same. I'm going to go between seven and seven and a half.

Yeah. After the finale, I think the finale delivered enough really great Star Wars imagery to push me to seven, five. but I you know I'm and I'm not even exaggering about it if they would have put the classic music into this scene it probably would be between eight and eight and five because I think that it would have elevated the scenes so much like just imagine the first time you see Leah just very slightly you hear Leah's theme when they when they oh yeah you'd have cried you would have yeah and I'm not saying get rid of the composer's music do the same thing you do with Kiner you just blend it because the way that she does is in this series at the end. She's got this great theme that's kind of her own thing. She blends it really well, yeah. And then she blends in the Imperial March,

and she blends in Leah's theme, and it hit. Why they didn't do that for the whole series is beyond me. I think it pushes it to it. Because, as I said, I watched this, and I think I sent it to you, Jamie, the scene where they put,

somebody had placed together the music for episode three. Yeah. And instead, when Obi-Wan shows up, up and Annika and Dore Vader's there, the Duel of Fates plays, Battle of Heroes plays with a hint of a period of March. And it's just so much more emotional and powerful. But nothing's recut as far as the battle itself.

The battle itself is, it just intensifies it. And I am so excited. You have these earned emotions behind music that make you go, oh, right, right, during that that fight and stuff. I'm so excited to see these. the YouTubers that do this to put that music behind it because I think it's going to elevate even more so. But either way, the series,

and I'm glad that we got it. I'm glad that we were able to see it. I was so excited to see both Eum McGregor, Hayden Christensen back. I think that Moses Ingram absolutely went from, I did not like her performance in the first two episodes. After that, I think that she, for what she was given, and I really think she delivers in this last episode. I still don't think the writing was phenomenal.

I don't think her character. was given justice and how she was written. But I think that, I think she did a great job. I didn't have a lot of problems with any of the performances, to be honest. I just, my biggest critiques, like I said, lack of music, storyline beats, and focus of story were my main problems. But the stuff that we did get, the Star Wars imagery was juicy. But that's, that's where I lay. Yeah.

Yeah, Jim. It feels like, yeah, it feels like, yeah, just. I don't know. It feels like I loved Rape. I actually, I don't know. That sounds crazy. But like her character, her art, her acting, everything I actually am very good with. I just felt early in a wrong place and trying to.

Right. Just trying to be squeezed into another centered focused show that I think just you could have really given her her own show. with the inquisitors or whatever. Yeah, I think that you do Moses Ingram a disservice by doing that. I think you put her in this place where everyone's just like wanting this particular show. Yeah, it's very unfair because

it creates this stupid politicizing dissension, which is so sad. It is. And it takes away from what she's trying to do and just do her job, but I think that, like, you look at something like the acolyte. There's not going to be a lot of, like,

no one knows what the acolyte is about. no one really knows. They just know there's Sith involved in this to do, and it takes place a thousand years. They have such a great cushion. Same way that Mandalorian did, because you didn't know anything about anybody. So you can set it as long as we like the characters that are presented,

and if a character like Riva shows up in that type of show, you're like, okay, well, that's who they're focusing on. I didn't know who they were focusing on. I guess that's who we're focusing on. When you tell me, yeah, because they didn't give Riva enough justice of some of these things I had questions about where I was like, wait, how did she know? And what was her motive actually coming to? Like there's some of it was a little too murky that I realized,

oh, there it is again. Like she should have had her own show called the Inquisitors and she could be the, you know, the main one. That's what I mean. That's why it was the writing. It was the, it was the writing. And I think that for people who are going after her, it is unfair. Those people just like the attention. I think they're just, they're just like to. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. so and I just think that it's it's unfair for anybody who's just doing a job to get hammered like that. But I think that for I do, I do think that the show should not have been focused on that character as much as it was. The show, if, like you said, Jamie, introduce that character in a different show, allow that character to flourish where the expectations are not going to be on. Yeah, allow her to, allow her to breathe.

Yeah, well, we're getting an Obi-Won show. We're getting an Obi-Won show. We're going to do this. Who's that? Obi-Won should have, yeah, had more time to breathe as well. just let these characters like make an impact on us. Yeah. Yeah, it's just you just got to give, you just got to give character.

That's why I use that example of any, even, even like a Soca, right? So Assoca, you know, Soca is essentially going to be a Rebels, a new, a Rebels live action show. Yeah. Yeah. You know that. As rebels fans, we know that. Now, if, if, Steph, putting in the reverse here, if you had a show where you've seen the trailer now and you know that you're, it's called Asokker. and we know we're getting a rebel show.

And then they introduced some new character named Lewis. And there's... Damn it, Lewis! Right, and there's this whole story now about Lewis trying to find his way, and it takes the focus off the rebel storyline. You're like, well, what the hell's going on? I totally agree.

I think that they went too heavy-handed in the first two, or second episode with her. And then I feel like it really low. Like she was a like almost she was completely the B plot though by the end. She became the B plot at the end for sure. But it's still even but but they they relied so much on it that even when you had this whole and again a disservice to her and the character, you're in the middle of this big match between Vader and Kenobi and this battle. And then it switches to her and you're like.

I even said don't pull away from this shot. Like I said that out loud. I was like don't go away from the shot. Because you know what's about to happen. You know she's going to turn. So you're like, okay. I get it. Wrap it up.

Let's get back to the fight. And that's not fair to her. It's not fair to her. It's not fair at all because when they would pull away from this deep, crazy, Obi-Wan Vader fighting stuff. Emotional. Sad. Emotional.

All the things you would switch to Rava in the desert hunting the kid for, we don't know exactly the reason. And it's just, it highlights itself as not as strong. interesting and it's unfair again it's just like yeah it's not fair to her she again she does everything that she's asked to do and i and i think that there's a very strong very strong performance i didn't see was it macbeth that she was in with with uh denzel i think i killed it in that and i love that movie if you haven't seen i haven't i haven't but i heard nothing but great things about her and how she is and you could see why she gets the the the um adelaation yeah the accolations that she

does alations that she does in this in that in that film um they just really wanted to to show the parallel between her and Vader. And then I think like all of Star Wars is parallels between the dark and light side. Like that's what it is a lot of the times. And I think this show was like a metaphorical personification of that. All right. Listen, Jamie is a pleasure to have you on the show. We finally got you on.

Yeah, you know. Yeah, that's right. We'll get you in studio one of these days too. So for Jamie Costa Police, yeah, Jamie's not even on social, so I can't tell you where to find them. So you got to, you find on YouTube. That's my only thing. You'll find it. That's right.

When that happened. A while ago, but you find them, you find them on, since the, 2020 made me realize it was, it was, uh, it was unhealthy to be on, on social media. Look how happy is. You said, nope. No, he said, no, I'm done with it. But you can find, you can find Jamie. Jamie's like Obi-one.

He pops up every, like, seven years. Uh, and Steph Sobri, find her at Stephsabry, find her at Stephsabri, World Girls and, and everything. So make sure that you check us out. Mike will most likely be back, won't be back. Who knows. But we'll be back next week. And we're going to do fan questions.

And we're going to start a Mandelaar and rewatch. I don't know when that's going to happen yet. I know we're going to do Andor. Indra's coming up. We'll be doing the same thing with Andor. But we're probably doing a lot of the kind of lead up, take questions from you guys leading up until August when that happens. So that seemed to be pretty popular.

And I think that's it. So for Jamie Costa and Steph Sabraa. We'll see you guys on the flip side. Make sure once again that you subscribe to the channel. Thank you guys for being. part of the show. Thank you to Jamie Costa, and we'll see you on the flip side. Peace. I can. For the ones finding new ways to ensure the job always gets done. For the ones wearing many hats, for the ones who are hands on, even from far away, and the ones keeping business moving

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