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Episode Date: July 7, 2022

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getting, I think each show is going to span the course of a amount of years. I know the first season is going to be like over the course of a full year. I thought that was interesting. Some of the comments that Gilroy made, we're going to talk about that. There were some comments that the original screenwriter of Obi-One talked about. Commander Cody was a bigger part. Reva was going to, Arriva, excuse me, was going to die on the hands of Darth Vader. Think of this a lot that we'll talk about inside of those articles. We have a lot of questions that are coming in from you guys. So we're excited to talk about that and more. So if you haven't already, please subscribe to the channel. We're almost there. We're like 49,600. We're almost that 50,000. Contrary to popular belief,

everybody. The pie to the face was if we hit it by June 1st, and we're in July now. So, nice try. All right. Jimmy Chicks is here. Steph is here. We're going to have a good show here. It is. Sith Council. Let's do it. Welcome back, everybody, to the big thing, Sith Council edition. Christian Harloff here, joined as always. I should say, as always, by Steph Sabra. And occasionally, this character. Every now and then. Every now and then. Nice to have you. you all back. Yes. Mike loves this. Yes. Look at that. Jesus Christ. Are you out of your this? This is my favorite. See, this is, that's what we did this to Brett. Wow. You got to get out in the sun, brother. I can't sit there thirst trip all day long, step in a bikini at the pool, you know.

Who's to say? It's 2022. Look at you guys. White shaming me over here. It's tough being a white dude. It's nice to have you back. It's tough being a white guy. Yeah. I hope that's the only thing that's going to be Clipped out. Yeah, please clip that out. That's going to be clipped out. Tag me. All right. Well, welcome back, everyone.

We have a lot going on here today. Thank you for joining us. We have a lot of your questions that were taken as we lead up to Andor. We're getting close to Andor. So that's what we're going to be bringing up here. We're excited about it. It's going to be a good, I can't wait for the show. I don't know how you guys feel about it.

How are you feeling about the Andor, the anticipation stuff? Oh, I'm so excited. I thought it was going to be next week. Is it next week, right? Seven days away? No. What? It comes out in August.

Oh, my. I thought it was the end of July. I guess they wouldn't have done that with Comic Con anyways. Ah, yeah, I woke up and I was like, no, it's not. It's not next week. Damn it. No, no, no. No, I'm so excited for this one.

I feel like it's a good breathing period and I can't wait to see it. The trailer, all of us were like, yes. At least you and I, I feel like Mike was halfway in it. Yeah. I was halfway in half the year. Where are you now with the series? I don't know. You know?

Are you less excited after Obi-One? Maybe? Yeah. Maybe a little bit. You know, I'm getting, I'm not, burnt out is not the word to use. I feel there's so much content coming at us from DC, not DC Marvel and Star Wars right now.

I'm like, not overwhelmed. I don't know what I'm feeling. Yeah. Maybe a general malaise. You think too much. Maybe a general malaise. I'm kind of like, it's constantly there. And everything that we're hyping up is the greatest,

like, you know what we talked about us. We said, we thought Obi-1 had the potential to be the greatest thing since the new trilogy. Since the original trilogy, and I don't think it wasn't. No, I'm with you. I'm with you on that. It was a letdown. So I'm kind of like, there was a lot of great. A lot of great stuff.

But I'm, but I'm with you. There was a lot of, um, it wasn't, it wasn't that thing that I thought we were going to get. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So I'm, I'm going in tempered. Yeah, you know. I get it. Yeah, I'm probably love it.

But I'm, I'm not, I'm not this, that's everyone that I'm going in with all these new shows. Like, this is going to be awesome. I can't wait. Because it set yourself up for disappointment. Yeah. I think we have an opportunity to have a pretty good show on our hands. I think so too. Listen to some of these comments here.

Now, this is the comments that are coming out. Disney officially released the writers and directors of the first season of the upcoming Andor series. And here is what we got thus far. So they also have the writers, they have a whole bunch of people. But Disney officially released the writers and the directors the first season of the upcoming Andor series, the Rogue One spinoff that will follow Diego Luna's Cassian Andor in the five years prior to the Battle of Scariff, the first season, which airs later this year, is going to cover the

first year of that period over its 12 episodes, while the second season, due to start filming in November, will cover the other four. Two years ago, when pre-production was ramping up, I thought they said three seasons, though, but I guess they're only going to do two those four. I thought so three. Yeah, it's seemed like Gilroy was hinting at a celebration, but

two years ago when pre-production was ramping up, it was reported that Toby Haynes would be taking over directing duties for some of the episodes. Showrunner, Tony Gilroy, was previously scheduled to helm at least the pilot but travel restrictions due to the pandemic prevented that from happening. Haynes directed six episodes of the first season.

A couple of months into filming, it was also reported that Susanna White and Benjamin Karen would be directing for this series. Disney has confirmed that each directed three episodes. Here is the official list. Toby Haynes directed episodes 1, 2, 3, 8, 9, and 10. Susanna White directed episodes 4, 5, and 6, and Benjamin Karen directed episodes 7, 11, and 12.

I'm not familiar with a lot of these, directors, and I'm excited to start to learn a little bit more. Gilroy revealed at Star Wars Celebration that both seasons will work in blocks of three episodes, and that directors worked in blocks of three episodes. I love this, by the way. This is a good plan. We'll talk about that in just a minute. After that comment, one would thought the episodes each of the director's helmed would be consecutive,

but that wasn't the case for Karen. It's definitely interesting and could hint at some story threads that would connect episode seven in the last two. The WGA had listed the writers for the first seven episodes. but we now have a more complete picture of what the season's credits will look like. In fact, from the Disney's listings, we see that the WGA had some wrong piece of information as they listed Tony Gilroy writing episodes 1 through 4 when it was Dan Gilroy, who wrote episode 4. Here are the writers for the first season.

Tony Gilroy wrote 1 and 3, 11 and 12. Dan Gilroy wrote 4 and 6, Stephen Schiff wrote 7, and Bo Wilman wrote 8 and 10. Andrew's going to debut in the first two episodes on August 31st, and the rest of the season will air each Wednesday thereafter. Obi-Wan now in the rearview, more content from the series should be coming out in the next few weeks. Stay tuned. And that is from Star WarsNewsnet.com. All right, so a lot to dive into there for sure.

Let's get into this. Steph, if you hear that, you know, the way that they're piecing these things out, with the episodes, you know, coming out each season being a year. I think that's a good, that's a good thing. But the other thing is I love this thing about the directors directing in blocks. Yeah, I really like that. I like that Star Wars is testing different things with different shows, like what we saw with Mandalorian getting different directors for each episode.

Some of them doubled up. This, I think is like, I think this is the right approach because I think some people were getting worried about them being like, oh, it has to be 38 to 45 minutes or whatever it was. Has to be six episodes. Would you stop with that damn shot? Jesus. Don't worry about the shot.

God Almighty. Come on. Listen to the words. Be professional. God'll say. Be professional. So I think this is great. It's one show for Amazon Prime and he's a divv all of us.

Yeah, I know. I'm not familiar that much with the directors. I think that the... That might be a good thing, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think it's nice. It gives them more freedom.

I think that really worked with Mandalorian, like with Rick, Fumuiwa, not a little, I didn't, I saw dope, which I really liked, but I didn't know how he was going to fit into Star Wars. I think this Toby Haynes, I just looked up, worked a lot on Doctor Who and Sherlock. Okay. Him and the other and Susanna White are both British directors. Okay. I'm on I like that so far. Yeah, Generation Kill, Archine, Nanny McPhee, so kind of a wide variety. I like this. And so here's the other thing that people don't ever talk about when it comes to, Everyone always, and they even, who watches the boys?

Anybody watch the boys? Yeah. I tried. Are you all caught up? No. Where are you? I'm starting season three. Okay.

So you're caught up to this moment. There's a, there's a reference to Tony Gilroy in the boys. Okay. She says, someone says to the director, it's like, you didn't even direct these movies. Tony Gilroy had to come in and save you and do the whole thing because that's like the big rumor is that that's what he did for Rogue One. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The reason why.

In my personal opinion, it is so much more than just a rumor that he directed the majority of the movie. Yes. Garrett Edwards. Right. Is still the one who's credited for directing the movie and for the one who gets a... The guy hasn't directed a damn thing since the movie. I mean, maybe he's directed something here. If it is, what's he directed?

I don't know. Maskey do you. But I'm saying, how do you not talk about the fact that here's a guy, imagine if this is a guy that just directed a billion-dollar movie? Yeah. Why isn't everyone knocking down his door? That's what I mean. You know what I'm not debating against Trump. Right. So Tony Gilroy.

Let's see what he did. Is essentially a person who was responsible for a lot of the way that Rogue One. And I think Rogue One's the best Star Wars new movie that we've gotten in this new, once Disney bought over the property. So Tony Gilroy coming in, this might be a thing where the same thing happens. Where all of these shows, and I love Mandalorian. And Boba Fett. turned out to be a little disappointing. There's a lot of great stuff in Obi-Wan,

but it wasn't, as Mike was saying before, didn't have that same kind of overall punch I thought it was going to have. I can't believe that I'm saying that, I think that Andor, with this type of strategy, could turn out, but it would be some of the best Star Wars content that we get. Now, we've said this before.

Yeah, we always said it. And we've been in this position before where I couldn't agree with you more that you're setting yourself up for failure. Right. Because if you're like, okay, this could be the one, this could be the one, And again, I can't wait for Mandalorian.

Mandalorian, to me, is some of the best Star Wars shit that we've gotten in a long time. Watch your mouth. Sorry, you're right. But I don't know. There's something about Andor now. You almost did a 180 on it. You did a 180 on it. You weren't excited about it.

I wasn't six months ago. No, I was, I was curious. Because we knew what, we know what happens, right? You know what happens with almost all these characters. Yeah, but I feel like this one, this show specific. it was like, oh, they're doing that? Yeah, right. Because you know his fate. But that's, see, that's the trick of what the writers have to do is they've got to get us interested.

And besides just Mon Mothma, they've got to get us intrigued with new characters we don't know about. Right. So we don't know about their fates. We don't know about certain things that could happen to them. Yeah. So we're invested in them throughout. And you're doing it through the course of now years. I love the idea of doing a full season that takes place within one year.

Yeah. And then whether it's just season two or season three, I think the reason I'm getting more intrigued and excited about it is their approach. And the tone of the trailer. That's why I'm getting more, like, it looks more, it doesn't look like that. Like, there's a lot of stuff in Obi-Wan that looked very, very CW TV-ish,

layer running in the woods, that type of stuff that almost blended over. There's stuff in Boba-Fet that didn't work over with the Spy Kids thing and that. I didn't see a lot of that in the and-or trailer, but that's a trailer. It's trailer. The trailers for those two shows were also didn't seem like that could happen either. Yeah.

Because I just watched that Lord of the Rings trailer reaction with Roxy earlier. And there's stuff in that trailer that looked very TV. It's just hard to get away from it when you're making TV. And fantasy. In fantasy, yeah. Yeah. People are giving Rodriguez a lot of crap, which a lot of the stuff I didn't love that he gave Boba.

I gave him crap for Boba, but his Mandalorian episode is one of the best. It's so good. So I give. It's so good. Yeah. I want to get to your questions in a second. My questions? No, you don't have any questions.

But I want to get to a few more things. There's this Obi-One article, though. There's this Obi-1 article that came out. Oh, yeah. The one about what would happen? What happened was the guy was hired for the writer. He was the writer of the movie. Yeah.

And I want to talk about all. all the stuff. I mean, there's a couple of the stories with Obi-Wan. It had one billion minutes of stream time in the first 10 days. That's crazy. But this is the Obi-Wan-Kinobi movie writer reveals that Commander Cody played a key role in his script. There was an interview with Stuart Beattie who wrote the Obi-Wan-Kin-Kovi movie, and he said that Commander Cody played a big role in the story. The writer had already mentioned the character when talking about Reva's importance in a segment of the interview previously released. Now the director had published new quotes from their conversation.

with Beatty, where the writer confirmed that Cody was going to be one of the familiar characters brought back for the movie. He also described Cody's first scene. Yeah, Cody was a big one. I love the idea of Obi-Wan having a buddy on Tatooine, like a secret buddy. So the first time he goes into town, you see Cody and he's following him through the streets and attacks him, takes him into the alley with a knife to his throat and says you're dead. And then you realize, oh, no, Cody's making a point. Like, come on, you've got to be more careful. I love that. That's awesome. So the movie would have revealed that Cody had removed his chip, free from external control. and Bidi explained how this would affect his character arc.

And you realize, oh, Cody has more from someone who was trying to kill him when he's last saw him to someone who's now devoting his life to protect him. Because by now he had the biotship taken out of his head, and now he realizes, oh, my God, what I did was wrong, and he was driven by guilt, and as much as Obi-Wan is driven by guilt. So you got these two kinds of old warriors bickering like this old married couple bitching about God, it was so much better when we had an army at our backs. And then Obi-Wan left Tatooine in the movie script,

but instead of leaving young Luke with Owen and Burrough and no production, he asked Cody to watch over Young Skywalker. Bedi explained that this would have been a fun subplot for the movie. And the idea of mine was that Obi-Wan had to leave Tatooine. He left Cody in charge, and that gave us a little fun story he kept cutting away to, and he's a really fun character and a guy racing against the clock because he's aging twice as fast. He's trying to atone for the worst thing he's ever done, so tragic in a fun way.

The way he's bickering and my stuff was just, you know, put a smile on your face and just arguing all the time. Bidi's not sure why Joby Harold, Debra Chow, and Lucas film Cut Cody, but he can guess. I don't know. I don't know. They just decided. I don't know. Maybe because Tomor, Morrison was busy on Boba Fett would have obviously been tomorrow. Maybe they decided they didn't need him either. I just felt Obi-Wan needed someone to talk to, someone who could tell him you're in bad shape. Bidi continued to describe his pitch for Obi-Wan's character arc. Check out the full interview here. And I'm going to stay here for a second because I want to go and I'm going to bring up these other things that he was talking about. in his script.

So this is also Obi-Wan screenwriter created Riva and his plan was to have Darth Vader Killer. Star Wars Obi-Wan introduced audiences to Riva Savander, the third sister of the Imperial Inquisitors. And as it turns out, she was part of the pitch when the project was planned as a film

according to its writer. Not only that, but her story had a different ending. For some reason, if you haven't watched Obi-Wan, you don't want to know the details, come back after watching. With an interview, Stuart Beattie, who wrote it, said, I created Riva all the way through and she had an important role in this version of the story, being the inquisitor who would target Leah and set the stage for Obi-Wan and Bader. The script he wrote was adapted

and adjusted and the project was converted into TV. However, Reva's original trajectory was somewhat different than the show, which revealed she joined the ranks of Inquisitors to get a chance to kill Darth. And then this was not the case originally, as even though she encountered the fallen Anakin, she would not know who the man behind the mask was. See? All right. We're going to start getting in. to this. She didn't know that Darth Vader was Anakin. She should have stayed that way.

Should have stayed that way. Okay. So she didn't know Darth Vader was Anakin because I was like, how would she know that? All she saw was Anakin as Anakin because he hadn't changed in the suit yet. So Anakin killed her friends, put on the scar on her, almost killed her, left her for dead basically. I thought, what if she saw

everything that went down? What if Anakin Vader killed her left her for dead and sent her on this path? Instead, she would have felt a deep disgust for the Jedi ordered due to her own feelings of discomfort of being taken away from her previous life as a young child and due to buying into Emperor Palpatine's lie that the Jedi orchestrated a civil war. In her mind, the Jedi

counsel were the biggest villains in the galaxy. She believed the lies that they were plotting a coup to take over and get power and all that, but they were stopped by the clones. So she believed that's why she's hunting Jedi, because she believed that Jedi are the worst, basically. So all the kind of stuff that just made sense allowed me to create a very confused, conflicted, blinded

character. And take her to a place to understanding, understanding truth, understanding who Obi-Wan is, Vader is, and what the path is in the galaxy. This is getting me depressed. Beattie went on to explain that in the draft of the story, Riva was the only significant inquisitor in the story, meaning that stuff like her rivalry with the fifth brother and a surprising move to stab the Grand Inquisitor to take his position,

were added by the writers on the project, since the focus of what had been pushed was Vader and Obi-Wan. Riva was created as a means to draw Obi-Wan out of hiding and get the two to fight. I had no plans to include any other inquisitors. I knew I wanted Vader, obviously, as the big overall villain in this story. I see him as an antagonist who was going to be more and more with Obi-Wan throughout the show. All right, so there's a lot of quotes here, guys. Still, we were always faced with the fact that Obi-Wan could never kill Vader.

So he needed to defeat someone. And so Reva was, Reva was my attempt to have him defeat someone to save because he's not going to save Darth. How would she know that this thing in the mechanical suit that everyone calls Vader is the guy who killed her, tried to kill her? was Obi-Wan kind of letting her in on that secret and the revelation that makes her go, oh my God, I've been wrong this whole time. Nah. The writing is so much better with this.

All right. Despite Obi-Wan saving Reva, however, her story wasn't meant to be open-ended like it was at the end of the series. Rava was supposed to be a one-and-done character with her fate sealed at the business end of Vader's lightsaber. She knew she basically saved Kenobi by sacrificing herself, telling Vader I killed Kenobi, and then Vader killed her,

knowing that Vader would kill her. So that kind of completed her arc. I wanted Riva to play her part in the Kenobi-Vader story, which was essentially at the end. She was the one that allowed Vader, basically told Vader to stop hunting Kanovi. You know, she ended that obsession Vader had with Kanovi. She claimed it was over, it's done.

That was her role. The writers of the series ultimately disagreed, opting to have Riva figure out that Vader was Anakin on her own and all that stuff. Yeah, so that's enough to talk about right now, as a lot of it. I don't know, this bums me out a bit. Mike. What do you think? Hindsight is always 20-20.

Yeah? You know, it is what it is. But it was there. But that was for the movie. Okay. You know? But they had it, it was what I'm saying. Then you would have had a two-episode TV series.

No, no, no. What I'm saying is, look at the, go back to sleep. Step. I'm rereading. You didn't like what I said, so moving on. No, that wasn't it. I'm saying like the actual, but the actual story itself that they had. Look at the Cody stuff.

Right. The Cody stuff would be great. The way that he explained the arcs and stuff just seems better written, is what I'm saying. It just seems better. Like, for example, the idea of, like, so we know that he was the one who created a Reaver and the idea to draw.

That idea makes sense. And even so, like, you're still putting a lot of pressure on somebody to come in and do that, but you're creating this character to bring it out. Being the only... Did he create her as an inquisitor, though? That's what he said. You're not listening?

I'm listening. I'm listening. So he's the only inquisitor. Only. It was the only one. So he created just that Inquisitor and because there was no there was no battle with the Grand Inquisitor

it was just to bring out because she thought that it was Anakin that killed her and her friends when she was younger. So she hated all the Jedi because of it. I get that. And didn't know that that was Vader, joined Vader because she thought,

that's right. Kill them all. That's right. And then once Kenobi lets her in on the fact and says, look, I got something to tell you here. Yeah. that dude that kill your friends, that's him. And then she goes, holy crap, I'm doing this wrong the whole time.

Yeah. I got to protect this guy. And that arc makes way more sense than why I knew it was him. And now I'm going to try to get on the inside and kill him. Right. The writing was not great in this show. Do you feel the inquiters were brought in because they're like, well, she's an inquisitor. The fans are going to eat us alive and we don't show the grand inquisitor,

so we got to throw him in there. Like, to me, you guys are the Clone Wars officinados. Rebels, you mean? Rebels, 15 hours. To me, I hear all this inquiscer talk, this, they're so badass. All they did was mope around. The one guy, you, River, are not going to be what you want to be.

And he would do that. And the other guy was like, I'm going to bring back my saber and kill you. Who here would like to understand what I'm going to do? And then the one girl in the background. That's all they did. So you're proving the point. Right.

They should have been in there at all. Should have just been her. Yes. Because the difference is this. When you put that in there, that that's what her arc is, stuff. Like the fact that, like, she was hunted down by who she thought was her protector and bought in on the lies that the Jedi were the evil ones. Look what that guy did to you.

Come fight for us. She becomes an inquisitor and hunts them all down because she doesn't want that to happen again. And then the big reveal is when she finds out through Obi-1, the guy you're working with is a guy that tried to kill your ass. And then she goes, wait, what? And then there's so much more. You don't need all the other stuff there. You don't need all that.

And it makes her knowing about the Anakin thing, it takes away from all that. And it gives Moses Ingram more to do. And she dies by Vader's hand. That makes much more sense. What was the Inquisitor, the fifth brother? Was it Sun Kang? It was the actor.

I liked his character. I had no idea who his character was like, what he was doing, even though it was given much. And it never gets paid off. I know. But I love that character. Like, let's see this guy. But he's shoehorned into this.

Like, he was given. I guess the answer would be season two is probably going to be. Given with what he did so much with what he was given. Yeah. But the Grand Inquisitor, I hear, like, Cadbane and, what was it, Boba? I heard all the stories about him. But his brief moment, I was like, oh, I get, you get. I get why everyone loves this guy and the bad ass he is.

You don't really get to see them in action. I don't even understand why. Like, just throw, come throw him in with the helicopter blades and land and do something cool. When you see the Inquisitor. the Grand Inquisitor in Rebels. In Rebels. He just comes in and he's cutting heads off. So do you think people, they were like, Lucasum was like, all right, we're talking inquisitors, we got to put them in here

because the fans will eat us alive if we don't. Well, I mean, I don't think it's to eat them, it's alive as much as like, well, we're more like, leave this fan service. I feel like it wasn't about the fans and more about a different story of how they were telling Reva. Like, and I think it is a stronger plot point to show that if Reva had a conversation with Vader or Palpatine even being like,

no, it was the Jedi, like showing her like, they did all this, convincing her of this, as opposed to the storyline they went with, which is all of these inquisitors are just wanting Vader's attention so bad. They just want to be the Grand Inquisitor. Everybody's trying to battle each other, but it's like... And you get the special pin. Yeah.

But that's why if they would have said, but to answer your question, what they could have done is that they could have mentioned the Grand Inquisitor. He's off doing this. We need Reva to do this and she's out there. and that whole arc showing how that started up, I got to tell you from hearing what Stuart Beattie was talking about. And the Cody stuff.

The Cody stuff to me makes more, but I'll tell you why I like the Cody stuff more so than I do with Owen and Peru. So because there's Owen and Peru fighting at the end just didn't work for me. It's like... Because he came out of nowhere. And they got destroyed by the Stormtroopers in episode four. They put up no fight and they just got killed at all.

Nine years later. Like they just got killed. And they were able to fight off this Inquisitor and they couldn't figure out how to kill stormtroopers who can't hit anything. It's like that was silly. They're not fighters. They're farmers.

And it was because, and the idea like, and the protection of it, and even at the end of that show, where nine years later, he hates him again. And by the end of this show, he didn't hate him.

He was like, yeah, you want to meet him? And it's like, there were a lot of inconsistencies to it at all. And I think that, I don't know why they went to. But they could have turned that script, what he's talking about, those moments.

they could expand that overall plot line into a movie. I don't know why they changed. I think it works. I honestly, I enjoy it as a fan. I love the Cody stuff from his script. I would love it. But it doesn't make sense because

Obi-one needed to be by himself alone. You know, now if he has a buddy, so it's like, oh, life ain't too bad. We got my old wartime pal here. We're men and fences together. Like, you know.

Remember when they were like announced that they were going into reshoot? and rewriting. On Obi-1. Yeah. Okay. What was the catalyst of that again? Wasn't that when they announced Hayden Christensen and people lost their minds?

And I felt like they were rewriting it to add more of him in. I don't know. I don't know if it was that. It seems like they were rewriting a lot of this stuff. And I don't know where those notes came from, right? So this is why when it comes down to it, there will be some people in the comments that say, well, it was a Disney note? We don't know that.

We also don't know if there was it a Kathleen Kennedy know. Well, we don't know. This is where I think. Debra Chowno. Or Ewan McGregor. This is where I think things are different with the Star Wars shows we're getting. You could tell Faloni and Favreau really were hands off on this show. Oh, yeah, they were not involved.

You can tell it. Like, Mando, even though we've got all these different directors, it all is consistent and all works, and nothing's conflicting canon or anything. It just all fits. But the other shows where those guys are not really involved, you're like, yeah, there's a lot of notes that are made in this show, and what's going? Why are you doing this? I mean, as much as it is, a lot of what this show did was conflict.

And I know I see the people now, they're like, it just enriches a new hope. No, it doesn't. It doesn't. There are these fans that attach their personalities to Star Wars, or they attach it to the Marvel or they attach it to DC, and there's no wrong, and they can't see wrong, and they're like, it just enriches Luke and Leah's story

because the last time that Obi-1 sees them as them running on the Falcon together. It's like, no, he really didn't see Leia. Leo was already up on the Falcon when he turned it. He saw Luke. So they make these stories up in their heads to enrich the story where they could go out like, it was a mistake. Right, but look, there's two sides of this, and I said this with you last week.

What drives me crazy are there two different things? If someone wants to feel that way, right? Sure, they can. Of course. And that does enrich it. It's not wrong. Right. If it enriches it for them, then they should do it all day long.

Yeah. What drives me crazy is when they then tell you that you have to do that. Right. And when they tell you like, you know, because I'm not a fan. It drives me banana. is when they go, I see it all the time, not just on Star Wars, but on other things. Of course, it's everything.

Here's what the director gave you. Here's the story. Instead of all these expectations you have, just enjoy what they give you. I hate that because it's like, you can do that. I don't want to do that. If I have an idea of certain things that,

like, if it doesn't pan out the way that I want, and the thing that they did, I like better, well, shoot, they didn't go that direction. They went that other way. I'm not always going to be disappointed because they didn't go down my direction. It's just certain things. Like her run.

I love, Young Leah. She was phenomenal. Her running around in the woods as people are trying to get back here, get back here. And she's sliding around. It was stupid. Yeah. It was stupid.

There was a lot of stupid things that happened. And these people, I got a lot of this. Like, well, you don't have kids, Mike, so you've never chased the little kid around. I've chased. I've chased a little kid to take that. I chased my, I chased my, I chased my four and a half year old around. I give her a head start. I could catch her with six steps.

Yes. She's small. Like I got friends that I get kids. I chased the little kids all around the house. I get them instantly. Yeah. They're not ducking through trees that I can't get. I'm like, oh, you wacky kid!

My head, I hit my head! It's silly. Oh, she's 10. Okay, fine, I can catch my 10-year-old. And here's the thing I've learned early on, because I used to do this with DC. Because of my love of the comics, I would infer storylines that had happened, and I could paint the picture of the backstory. Like, people talk about, oh, it was such a mistake to make the Bruce Wayne 50 years old in BVS. We lost all that stories.

And I go, yeah, but I can infer the stories. Like, but Mike, you've got to go with what the director gave you. And what's on the page in the screen. And I was like, okay, accept that. But to tell people that they're wrong, that's unacceptable. That's what I'm saying. You can have, you can have expectations of it. And you can say, you can look at what the director and writer said,

and you can also, you have the two things to say. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. I wasn't as what I was expecting. I like that. I like that. You and I, pre-seeing this, we're like, this is going to be the best thing since the original trilogy.

We were. The trailers were great. And Steph and I talked about this at length. There's some great stuff. But that end fight is awesome. I still think it's missing the music. I think that it's missing. There's missing a lot of stuff.

But the fight's awesome. There's still a lot of questions I have all the same thing, though. Someone asked me today, he's lifting up all these rocks and he's throwing him. And then nine years later, that's gone. You can't do that anymore. There's little things like that that it's, there are inconsistencies to play. You can still have fun with it and say, oh, whatever it is. It's fine.

You let it go. But if you ask me, if I'm listening to Stuart Beattie talking about what he's talking about, stuff, I feel. his version of the story shouldn't have been tampered with as much as it was. How do you feel? Yeah, I think that's a fair argument for sure. Like there's parts of it that we've all talked about

how we loved so much. And there's parts of it that's just like it was, I don't know, like it wasn't a full show in some ways like you're saying with like the character. Like I really enjoyed that character, but to me it's half-baked in terms of like no one just becomes that.

irrational without showing us anything. Right. I would like to see why she became that irrational. Other than the fact that, yes, her friends were slaughtered in front of her, but she was at the Jedi Temple when there was invaders. So it needs to be explained. But that's what I'm saying from when you hear this interview, what this guy says. Everything that he says, I understood more about her in that interview than I did the

entire series. Like where he's like, yeah, what she was going to do is imagine the tragic figure that she now becomes. Right. Where you start off in that opening scene. with her as a kid, she's hunted, they get hunted down, we find that she gets hunted down, and

she gets recruited by the empire, because they're selling this propaganda that the Jedi are evil and the Jedi, the Jedi are the ones who killed you. Anakin Skywalker killed all your friends. He was the big general and he killed all your friends, and now so the rest of them, they're evil too, you're right. I'm not going to

let this happen to anybody else. I'll fight for the empire, because what happened to the majority of the empire? They recruited on lies and filled in all that. And so she would be part of that, doing that, thinking she's fighting the right fight. In this version that we got, she's just pure evil and wants to take out the Jedi, and she wants to go around the back of Enoch and Skywalker and Vader, because she knows it's him and she's going to trick him.

And it's like, wait, what? And if she then finds Obi-1, and I'm going to kill everyone because he's one of the bad, and he's able to convince her. And then she's like, holy crap, that's the guy that killed everybody. I've been lied to, and then he kills her? What a tragic ending. That would have been. And Moses Ingram, I think, would have done so much more with that role than what she was given.

Well, there's just also so many more ways she could have attempted to kill him. That didn't have to do with a lightsaber duel, like alone. Right. Like, you are on the same spaceship with him half the time. Like, you have the same base as him. There's so many times he's vulnerable in the back to tank. Like, there's so many different things than you go in one to one with, like, the most notorious killer right now. Yeah.

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Okay. Sal Skulicki. Rather than a season two of Obi-One, could we have see a rebellion slash path series following the likes of Roken, Enfussness and even Quinlan Boss. I'd much rather get that and maybe involve Mall and Crimson Dawn into that story, thoughts.

I love the idea sound. I think it's a great idea. I don't know if they would do that though because I think that goes back to what Mike has been saying for a while is I think that they're nervous to go outside of really recognizable characters. And I don't think that they're going to feel that

Roken and even Quinlan Voss is we're more attached to Coen & Boston like you are Yeah Right and so I don't know if they would ever do I think that they could take risks That's where it comes down to

How much do you rely in your story And when you hear story like the Stuart Beattie one though Yeah That makes me nervous Because it seems like when they do have a good lock on so Like that story sounded awesome Sounded awesome I don't know I would love to know what

That's an interview that if I had with Deborah Chow Or if I had an interview with Kathleen Kennedy or Filoni or Favreau. I'd ask why did you decide to go away from a lot of those beats? And I'd love to get their answer. And honestly, there's a scenario where they tell you something and you go, okay, well, that makes sense why they went down the direction. But, Steph, you hear this about what this guy's saying here.

What do you think about the potential of a show with Roken, Emphus Nest, when the boss are combining basically people that we set up, plus people that we have kind of lost touch from from the solo movie. It would be really cool. I think that we're a few years out from them doing newer characters because I don't think that they've yet, like just even reading that interview we just did, I don't think they've caught the wave of how they're going to create shows that aren't attached to a lot of nostalgia and characters that were familiar with.

Like, Obi-1 really worked for me because of nostalgia and the characters. Like anything I got with Obi-1, Darth Vader, I just ate it up. But like... So does the accolites scare you? That's going to be all new. Yeah, no, it doesn't... I mean, it doesn't...

I'm excited for that. I'm so... Because I want to see the dark side of the force way more. But I'm nervous in the sense that like, the show, if you don't have characters to rely on, then you just have to make the show really well written. Yeah. Yeah.

Mike, what do you think? Ah, yeah. It's not one of the first ones you'd pick. No, it would not be. Yeah. It would not be. So I think that for me, I, I like, you like that shot. Of course.

I like the idea of it. I think it could be interesting, but it's not, if there was, if, if I'm running Lucas film and they have all these different ideas that are coming through, it's not the one I'm green lighting up top. But I, but I don't disagree with him. I think that if it was, if someone said, all right, get Obi-Wan season two. Yeah. Or you get his show?

I'm taking his show. Oh. Not because it was like, oh, the show is terrible. There's a lot of great stuff in the episode, but I think that you, what else do you do with You don't do Obi-Wi-Wi-Wing. Like, you can't have him go against Vader again. Yeah, but you know what they're going to do, though, because you see all these ratings that they have on it,

they're going to push it. And I think you stay away from it. I know, you stay away from it. I really do want them to go to the new characters, though. I do. I'm, like, sick of the discourse. Like, it's not our, and it's fun, but now it's getting tiring.

Am I having the Mandela effect where I thought for a while was just like, this is that, Obi-1 is one and done? We're telling our story. It was supposed to be one-and-done. That was what it was. It was. Firstly one and done. Yeah, and then they, and then, once they saw all the hype coming in and see how much the trailer was doing, they started talking about season two.

That's when I think it's a, it might happen. It very well might happen. I think, now, that being said, I think that you find a way for you and McGregor to be Obi-Wan in other shows. I think you can put them in and let him show up in episodes of other shows. You don't need them to be. As much as I love them in the role, I just want them being in Tatouine in that little hut just getting old. Which is to say it can be during a Clone Wars era. Who's to say you couldn't meet some other time?

I got you. Put him, get him involved. Have him as a freaking force ghost in something. Who knows? But like I think that you could, they're going to use Hayden again for the Asoka stuff. Yeah, because his story, yeah. Yeah. So, but I do think, I do like, I do like, um, Sal's idea a lot.

I just don't think that they would, they would do that. Okay. All right. Justin Clement. In my mind, the next major trilogy should be set thousands of years away from the Skywalker saga and be about the read. discovery or loss of the force. What's your wish?

I think that's kind of what Steph was just talking about, right? Of just trying to get away from all the expectations and everything too. Now, I always thought about, for me, it's always the old republic is going back. What you're checking your work schedule? I'm looking up notes. What notes? I double schedule. What notes are you looking up?

I'm trying to find out season two, Obi-1. You are lying through your teeth. What were you doing for real? Don't lie. I'm looking up a picture of Obi-1 as a force ghost. That makes sense Because we're talking about that right now We are, we just did

We just did I can't predict what we're gonna talk about five seconds If you would if you listen to the question God almighty Hey Mike It's good to be back Oh I got to fall over for real I don't know if we even told us

Go into the Sorlock pit That's really good I can't with the two of you Cheese and rice God Yeah we spent the last time bonding How many shows we talked about Where I said what I want for a trilogy

I don't want a Skywalker, I don't want a lightsaber in it, nothing. You suck sometimes. Do I suck sometimes, Sabra? Yeah, the audience thinks so. It's funny. How do I suck? No, they missed you. They missed you.

Who says that about Star Wars? I do. I don't want, you, why does it have to have a Skywalker or a lightsaber? That's the world. You don't need it. You got me with, just a yes or no, please. You're about to get kicked off the show. Just a yes or no from you, please.

Actually, you know what? No, I have a better idea. Do it, do it. Here you go. Skywalker. It's like a bulldog. A bulldog just camped out waiting for his treats. There you go, just for you guys.

What's the opposite of mousin knuckle? Oh. Cannonball. Anyway, listen. Do you like a tea for this morning? We just listen. Tvana. Stop this.

The Skywalker stuff you got me with. Yes. Lightsabors, you're a moron. No. Why? You're a moron. You're a moron. You're an idiot.

It's okay. You're not allowed to watch a good counter. You're not allowed to watch the Acolyte. You can't watch that show. That's not. You're not allowed to watch that show. You're not allowed. There will be a show.

You can't. There will be a show one day. That doesn't have a Skywalker. That doesn't have. then you can watch that show. It doesn't have an effing lightsaber. Andor. Yeah.

So there's your show. Now, this is a lightsaber showing up in that show somewhere. I guarantee it. Okay. Three seasons, there's a lightsaber popping up.

Well, somewhere. At least there's a chance that it'll be less if that's what you want. I don't have to get what I want in life. Well, there you go.

So now you just figured out the secret. But one day they'll make a Star Wars show. But I do agree with this guy. I want the High Republic. You do know it almost, Solo almost did it, except for the end scene. The end scene.

It's almost. Did it. Listen, what I would tell you, the thing that was interesting, I do want, whether it's High Republic, old Republic, that's where my mind has always been. I haven't really thought about it until these comments came up about a thousand years in the future. Like, it's always been behind, like, what happened a thousand years after Ray? Now, that would probably be a movie.

It's probably where that would come from, but like, or like a hundred years after Ray. 200 years after Ray. Like what the legend of Ray, Ray's gone now, everybody's gone, they're all, the sequel trilogy characters are dead. And now it's brand new people and what does the world look like?

That could be very interesting. I know what they would use. What's that? They wouldn't use lights? No, they wouldn't. At that point, they would have evolved the force and they would be able to create

the lightsaber from energy with their hands so they wouldn't even have a physical lightsaber in their hand. That's what happened. See, good storytelling. Good story. All right, let's get to the next one. Don't hate me, Steph.

Why? Because I suck? Don't hear me. Don't hear that. Rek loose. I like that. Do you think a Star Wars series set far in the future? There we go.

A thousand years after the rise of Skywalker, instead of a thousand years before, maybe the show, The Evolution of the Jedi Order, maybe introduce a new Sith type of antagonists. Love the show. Big man from Scotland. Good luck with what's next to you.

Big fan, not a big man from Scotland. What's he said? You were like, Big Man from Scotland. No big fan. Love the show. Big Man. Oh. You're stupid.

You really don't fight if you're dumb. But I think he meant to say, love the show, big fan from Scotland. I don't think he's saying I'm a big man in Scotland. Steph got that. What did you say? Can I leave now? Is the show over? Killed Steph on that one.

Oh my God. Stop with the knuckles. I'm going to get a shirt that says. Every time, every time, every time from now on. Stop with the knuckles. Yeah. I said, don't fight if you're dumb. Steph, today's show is brought to you by the Suggany's Cafe. Suganese Cafe.

Suggany's cafe. Sugg on. You remember that guy at Celebration that did the D's and no one picked up on it? No one bit. No one picked it. There was a guy at Star Wars Celebration. They play these game shows beforehand. It's not televised.

They brought him up on stage. He was playing a game show and he was terrible. But they asked him at the end, he said something and he answered like D's and they didn't say like D's what. Yeah. Because he, but he set him up. He said the Star Wars guys said D's and and Steph goes

he's setting him up with D's nuts. It's hilarious. And he didn't say anything. He's like, okay D's. All right D's left. He was hilarious. Anyway, let's get back to the question. As far as yeah, I think so that we're going to have I would love to see how they played

that out man. I would, I think that it would be very interesting to do. I don't know how they would do it, but I think it's interesting, but I think it goes back to the same thing. I think it just, they would just get a little nervous about not having anybody to connect to, which I don't think is the right play,

but I just think it's the reality. I think so. Alex Tournay, when Ezra is eventually introduced in the Asoka series, do you think that he will abide by the Jedi code that Canaan taught him, or will he have an adopted, less rigid code based on his experiences

in the Norwegian? It's a great question. It's a great question. I think that he's probably, because they want to tie it back to rebels, I think he'll probably be following Canaan's code. But we don't know how, because it's not that many years out, right? It's like three years out since he disappeared, something like that

or two years out since he disappeared or something like that. It's less than five. So, and who knows how time works in the unknown regions? I have no idea. But I think he'll still follow the code, but there is that idea that maybe because where he is in the unknown regions that he might change. What do you think, so?

Yeah, I don't know. I think he will just because Canaan's such a loved character and it will bring that. And like maybe we can get flashbacks with him or something. But you never know because he's always kind of done whatever he wants, even though he respected Canaan the most. So I don't know. I would be good either way, actually, though,

but I would love a Canaan flashback. Yeah, I think that the Canaan flashback would be amazing. I don't think that's going to happen as far as a flashback goes. I don't know, maybe. Maybe, but maybe even having Freddie come in and do a voice is possible because Freddie's been pretty clear that he doesn't want to play him in live action. Oh, he said that? I've talked to him.

Oh. He doesn't want to play him in live action. It's not something you want to do. But I think he'll voice him. I mean, he did it as a favor for Filoni to voice him in Bad Batch. I think that he would voice him. And he was a voice in Rise of Skywalker. You hear him at the end there.

So I think voice, having Canaan talk to Ezra would be great. Yeah. Yeah. God, it's so stupid. Now that I hear myself say it, I didn't even ask, I got to ask him, he's not going to tell me, but I don't ask him if he's, if he's been approached for Asoka. He ain't got to tell me. I should ask him anyway. But did he say why, or can you say why he wouldn't?

He just doesn't want to do, I mean, he's, he went back to do, he's starting his own wrestling promotion. Oh. He's starting his own wrestling league. And he, he was a writer for WWE for a while. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, he's a big wrestling guy. And he just, he did, he got a good gig with rebels.

He, he took a lot. live action role with like the new punky bruster thing that they did um but i think that i don't know i know he he's been his focus isn't yeah i mean i don't know maybe they really approached him he would he would do it but i it's every time i've talked to him about it he doesn't really seem like it's something he want he would want to do that's fascinating yeah he's one of like the sickest jetties ever he's he's great but i also think that canaan at that point canaan was still in like his like late 20s like early 30s Freddy's like almost 50. Yeah, that's true.

So that's the other thing, though, too. So anyway, all right, let's move on. Great question, though. Thank you so much for that. Next one. Paul Reaper, an adaptation of the Darth Plague's novel series with Timothy Shalemae is Palpatine. Tom Hiddleston was always my pick,

but I feel like he's too recognizable as Loki now. Yeah, but Shalameh doesn't have that obscurity anymore. Shalabay is very, no, I call him Shalabay. Shella Bay. I understand. That are your type? Usually not. Yeah.

But he's got it. But he's got it going on. Like, I'm like, wow. He loves to dance. He loves to do that. He just does that. Yeah. No, I would, I, I don't know.

I feel like he, that's, he surprises me in a lot of the roles he does. Everything. He was great. He was great. And I didn't think he was going to, I was, I didn't love that role for him at first. So I don't want to say he couldn't do Palpatine because I think he's like one of the best working actors. but that wouldn't be my first pick. I think he'd pull it off.

I think he could pull it off. I just think that for this guy's particular point of having, you know, more of an obscure because he, although his point is more so that Hiddleston is so attached to Loki. Yeah. Yeah. Salome is not necessarily attached to anything in particular. No, he was in Dune or little women or the one with,

call me by your name. Yes. but not a particular role. He doesn't have a role that he's like... Not yet. We'll see how do... No, not yet. And so maybe that's true. And I think he could pull it off.

And if they adapted... The day that they adapt to a novel, someone said to me yesterday, like you're always saying that the novels, they'll never do it, yeah, but you have to realize the continuity. First of all, they don't really pay attention to the continuity in the novels and the comics.

Like, they don't. Follone, first of all, does not care too much about the novels in the comics. You even talked to him about it. And he was like, he didn't say those particular words, but you can tell. He's not going to mess with his continuity

as we saw in Obi-1 with rebels or Clone Wars, TV and film. That's all the big part of it. You can also adapt a novel like Darth Plagueis, which is not canon, by the way. And you can adapt that novel and you can make it, because you both have not read it, right?

You only know it because of me from me talking about it. there's any of the story points. That's my point. It's like there's a very small pocket of people who have read that that would know what the hell's going on anyway. Yeah. And that's like a lot with a lot of the novels.

Yeah. Yeah. What if they got that guy? I forget his name. He's like the new villain and Stranger Things. I feel like he looks like creepy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool.

I've seen him in some other things. He rocks. Yeah, he's good. Yeah, he's good. Yeah, he's good. Did you watch Stranger Things? I haven't watched a single episode of it. Oh, it's so good.

Okay. I'll take your work for that. Season four? Okay. You finished it, right? Four? I'm almost done. So good.

Yeah, it's excellent. So good. It's long, though. It's good. It's so. Yeah, I'll get right on that. No, you won't. I know.

You're in one of your moods today, huh? No? No, no. Okay. It's just, we're imagining it. All right, here we go. Next question. This is, no, he says.

Brian Newsbaum. Should Star Wars do a what-if series? Yes. I agree with that. I answer it. Anything animated? Sure. You'd have to.

Yeah, you'd have to. The cost of it would be ridiculous. Yeah, I 100% agree. I mean, just think about some of the, the obvious one would be, what if Anakin never went bad, right? Yeah. Then what if Leah would have went to the tattooing. Tattooing. And then so it's, there's so many.

What if orders, what if the chips didn't work? Order 66. What if Han stayed in carbonite? So much. I mean, there's, yeah, there's so, there's so much that they can do. I would love to see that series. I think that they're going to just. keep focusing on Marvel.

Because Marvel's like, that's our thing. What if Anakin, they realized he was bad early on? And they didn't train him as a Jedi. What if they never picked them up? Yeah. Like all of that. Yeah. What if they land on?

Yeah. There would be a great. And get the what if team from Marvel to work on it. That would be great. I think that would be very, I think I'd be more successful than the Marvel one, to be honest with you. I was surprised the Marvel one didn't, because everyone when that first trailer dropped went nuts. Yeah.

I love that. I love that. Series. You're serious. I loved it. I do too. Yeah, it's lower ranked on everybody's things. I think it's like, it's the reason with the same thing with Badbatch,

because to a majority of people, it's animated. And they just are like, eh. But the difference is that there are a lot, a majority of them, I mean, I think like minus Downey, minus Downey, but a lot of the, like, Rachel McAdams. There were a couple voice actors where there was, because they got so many of the actors. Yeah.

When they didn't, you're like, you just knew it. Or some of the actors that they did get, you're like, oh, you're not a voice actor. You sound kind of weird. Oh, right, right. You're just, you're very flat. Yeah. I would love that, though, Brian.

Ryan. That would be a great, great idea. Eric Slaby. What are your thoughts on the comments? Oh, we can capture that one. Yeah. Ronan on chain, did you all get your tickets for Star Wars Celebration, Europe, 2020? Will there be a push for a Sith Council panel? All right. So the answer to that is no.

Not yet. And I think that when it comes to, as I mentioned on this show, I'll mention it more on Big Thing Tomorrow with Roxy and Brett. But the movie trivia Shmohan was a part of my life for nine years, nine seasons, and it's coming to an end this year. And the question has been, well, where are you going? What are you doing next? My goal is to continue to build up this channel and get this channel as active and as big as we can get it. Because to be able to do things like going to Star Wars celebration, being able to keep myself, Mike and stuff, like, and I've talked about, I'm going to talk about this more on big thing tomorrow, but I'll talk about it here.

I had released a clip of my stand-up that I did from a couple months ago because not only didn't want to put it out there, but I also wanted to, I'm going to start doing, my goal for 2023 is I want to start a tour happening for this network. And what I mean by that is not only doing a stand-up with myself and Brett and Kate and Winston and Coy, I want to bring SIF Council on the road. I want to bring big thing on the road.

And I want to do, like, if we, my goal is like in New York, like February, January, February of 2023. I want to do a weekend and I want to have like a Sith Council show maybe on like a Thursday. And then Friday we do a big thing with a stand-up show and then Saturday is a stand-up show and a big thing. Or Saturday is a stand-up and Sith Council, whatever. We rotate throughout it. But I want to, in order to do that, obviously things have to, I've got to get this channel to a certain place. I got to make sure that you guys want the tickets.

I got to do all that. So Star Wars Celebration is going to be expensive. So we've got to figure out how all this is going to work first. So give us time. And hopefully, if it doesn't work there, then we'll try to do it in 2024, 2025. All right. Let's get to the next one.

And that is, what's going on over here? What did you mess up? Where is this guy coming from? I got it a little. All right. Yeah. So this is, oh, we did that one also.

Sorry. Not lotion. How do you think Hayden's performance was in the Kenobi show versus the prequels? What you're laughing at? I got his name. Yeah. What do you think about the? He's great.

I thought Hayden was really good. As far as compared to the prequels, tougher, right? He's older. He's more experienced. He's got the benefit of the experience. And he was able to act more so not necessarily on location, but I think the volume gives him more to work with than the green screens do. I thought the scene that he did. did with McGregor in the prequel scene was great.

What did you think about Hayden? Yeah, I love Hayden. I want more Hayden. I wanted more Hayden in the show. I think he's great. Yeah, I would have liked to seen him do a little more. Yeah. Like they're writing a little bit more.

I'm curious what they're going to do with him for Asoka. All right, let's move. Let's keep going. Let's keep going. Okay. Daniel Martinez, do you think Andor has the potential to be the best Star Wars show out there? I think, and I'll take hot take here,

I think that Andor has the potential to hang with Mandalorian. Okay, that's a hot take. I know. I think it does too. For me personally, as a grogoo stand, I think you need something of that caliber to like really be like, oh, like this is totally different than what we've seen before. Spy thriller, man. Take that spy thriller and don't be afraid to go a little darker. Yeah.

That's the thing. Totally. And I'm with you 100%. No more kids on the journey Where you've got to protect the kid Or protect the Grogu or protect it No more of that We're getting skeleton crews

So I feel like Yeah right And the bad batch A lone wolf and cub thing Like so everybody's doing that No more of that We don't need it anymore It's like it's between the same

It's so I don't And Mando 3 will be it again He'll have Grogo is He's gonna be with them I think Grogo's starting to grow up a little bit At least Grogu though has the force Right Grogo's growing up a little bit

Okay He saved Mando 3rd few times. His mission isn't to protect him anymore. He's always going to, but it's not his mission. Okay. Would you ever want a movie set in the far past called the First Jedi or finding the force Khyber and the first Sith the Fall?

Lord of the Ring, fantasy vibes crossed with a biblical morality tale. Well, that's cool. They were going to do that. That was already a thing. Like, Beniof and Weiss, the rumor, the heavy rumor that I heard is that's what it was. That's what it was. It was the start of the first Jedi and the Sith and how they

broke apart and the whole start of it. That was rumor. Whether or not it was reality, I don't know. I happen to believe that it was, but that's been talked about. And I would love to see that side of it. You don't feel that way because you don't want to see any more lightsabers. But Mike, I know that you're pretty caught up with Clone Wars, right? I'm getting there. So did you watch the episode where the little Jedi's go to the cave to get their chiber crystals? No. It's like an episode you think doesn't matter at all. And I love it so much. It's such a great episode. And I just, I like, love that idea of the journey of that.

That's why I also think we're going to start talking a little bit more about skeleton crew, you know, with John Watts and what he's done. Because I loved his take, what he told us when we ran into him or what it's going to be like. He's going, he's going more serious with it. He's going, what was the reference that he used when we talked? Oh, yeah. Oh, God, what was it?

It wasn't stranger things. It wasn't strange things. It was an adult. Yeah. Night Goonies. Oh, God. Oh, God. What was it?

Clone Wars. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he said it's more Clone Wars. Yeah. So being able to go with, even Rebels, which I love, Clone Wars got a little dark sometimes. Yeah.

And that's what I hope to see. And I think John Watts can do some fun stuff too. And no one's talking about that yet because it was just announced. So, all right, keep it on moving. Keep it on moving. But I do like that idea for sure. All right. James, I know Mike's answer to this question,

but James Bryden says, would you rather just get one new Star Wars TV show every year that had a movie budget or three different TV shows with a year with TV budgets. Great question. So, Mike, your answer is obviously one show with a big budget, right? Uh, I guess.

Yeah. I don't know, man. You don't need a... It's tough because it's Star Wars and you need the visual effects and everything, so that's where your money goes. They're talking TV budget to what they have now.

Yeah. See, here's the thing, is that, as you mentioned before, Yeah. Mandalorian's using their budget pretty good. Yeah. Every show. So I would choose the three, but I would choose in the style and the way that Andrew looks. I don't know how it's going to ultimately play out.

But if you can make it look the same way that you do for Mandalorian within that kind of TV budget, as you're saying, then I would take the three. It's just when they try to cut corners somehow, they try to do something and where it starts to look. Like, if I'm looking at those dailies or whatever, looking back and going, like, if I'm looking at that scene when they're running around, we've got to reshoot this. We can't, we can't air that because everyone was talking about how bad. bad that looked. Right. Yeah. There's nobody,

even, you love the show. Yeah, that scene was terrible. It's terrible. It's like a fart and a car. That's like a pause

and you're like, wait, did that happen? Yeah, it's really bad. She's slowing, she's slowing that. You could put the

Benny Hill music to that scene. More like, teasing. I'm sorry. Yeah, you could. It's so please somebody do that and send it to me.

I will repost it. Put the Benny Hill music to that scene. Anyways. Yeah. I would pick three, but... You'd pick three also. Because using the stuff that they have already.

Yeah, it's a hard discussion, though. I'm not... I don't think Marvel, like, we should shy away from them hitting similar issues to me as Star Wars and their TV shows, honestly. Right, the CGI and some of the Marvel shows haven't been great. Yeah. Moon Night wasn't great. I've had to, like, kind of been like...

The show was. Step, you have to watch these shows because you're going to be annoyed in the movies and you do love some of it. But some of it, like, Moon Night, right? It was like, the first few episodes, I was like, what? Some of the CGI wasn't great. The show is, like, the stuff with Moon Night that I like the best was, well, the story itself and the acting and the performances and stuff. It wasn't the CGI stuff in those big over-the-top things.

Yeah. No, I mean like, it's just like some of the, like, the exhaustion of these shows where I'm like, are you guys really putting all the effort in that you, I don't know, it just seems a little too much right now. Yeah. All right. We're almost done here today. So let's take another one. What are the odds of the main? character of the acolyte ends up getting the good guy treatment that vader riva boba cross

hairs get 99% that's the odds i i don't i don't want i don't want to tell you the odds i know you had some i i think that probably yeah which i don't i hope that they don't i hope that these just stick if it's a sith show and if it's an evil show keep them evil yeah yeah it's it's let's stop let's stop the trope of the kids running around and saving the kids and let's stop everybody turning good. Yeah. Because like I said, when you heard Stuart Beattie's thing, that to me would have made more sense of the turn.

Yeah. Because she was tricked. Sure. Because she was. Like Anakin was. She was tricked. Like Anakin was. She was tricked.

She was tricked and she thought that she was fighting the right fight. So she never really turned bad in her mind. She wasn't bad. She was hunting down the bad. That would have been a. lot easier for me to swallow going, well, wait a minute. Yeah, of course they turned her because she's been tricked the whole damn time as opposed to she's evil.

No, some people don't even think she was really redeemed. Someone's like, oh, there was some silly argument. Someone wrote, well, wait a minute. You're going to tell me, saying Riva's redeemed is like saying some Nazi captain got redeemed after feeling this. I'm like, okay, so you don't think then Vader didn't get redeemed? Yeah. And then there was no answer to that.

So, all right, let's see. So let's go. Do you think they will ever get a Nassage Ventra series? No, because of the novel. That's why we won't get it. I want to play this one. I have a question. Sorry.

It's in here somewhere. You got to find it because I wanted to answer this question. I guess I don't have it. Oh, anyway. Got a question, and this is all on the show. And I want to show the guys. So as I mentioned with the potential tour that going to do and everything people were also surprised they didn't know i did stand-up comedy before

and that's why the clip's up there if you wanted to watch it but people keep asking like oh i never knew that you knew it and i've now been sending people to this clip that i'm gonna i'll post on the channel this is from the show bad friends with bobby lee and um and um and um andrew santino so where the hell is it is it is it i thought i had it over here i don't even know where i put these things anymore. Just had it, now it's gone. Perfect. Is that it? Nope. I have all this. I feel like I saw it too. Oh, there it is. I got it. I got it. Here it is. All right. So I'm going to play this clip. This is the clip that I have. It's Bobby Lee and Andrew Santino. So, so. Oh, that's cute. Yeah. So Bobby Lee rocks. Bobby Lee was the first guy at the coming. Sorry for the language for people for parents and

stuff. But yeah, so I want to let people know. I've been doing this for a bit, and that's why I wanted to. I want to take these guys on the road with us, but please support the show however you can. As I mentioned before, like, comment, if you can, download the episodes, Patreon, story blocks, whatever you can do, whatever you can do, whatever in your means. Please do that. Leave the comments, do all that. So thank you once again for joining us. Thank you all your wonderful questions. I appreciate you guys very much for Mike and Steph and Mike. shorts we thank you guys so much we appreciate shit and we'll see you we'll see on the left side there they are